165. What's In Your Dogs Food? with Maria Ringo of Carna4

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Welcome back pet parent.
I have a confession to make

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because I am always talking to
you about how I can never

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recommend a dry food for our
pets.

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And recently was at an event at
Super Zoo in Las Vegas this year

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and I got to hear my guest today
speak and she had to go up to

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her at the end of the event and
just be like, my gosh, you have

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totally in this moment changed
my mind and I need to talk to

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you more.
So I brought her on today to

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talk to you a little bit more
about a food that is air dried,

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that does not contain any
synthetics.

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And so it pretty much meets all
the standards that I would have

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for a food that I would
recommend for you, for your

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pets.
And it also has that convenience

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factor that a lot of the foods I
normally recommend don't

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necessarily have.
So I'm really excited to

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introduce you today to Maria
Ringo of Carnifor.

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And you may have heard of this
food, though it is something you

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have to go to a specialty store,
an Indy pet store to find

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generally here in the US.
So we're going to talk to Maria

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today.
I'm going to introduce have her

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introduce herself in just a
second.

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But if this happens to be the
first time that you are

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listening to me that you just
found this podcast, welcome.

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My name is Jessica.
I'm a canine nutritionist and

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holistic pet health coach.
And on this podcast, the Pet

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Parenting Reset, we talk about
all things holistic health and

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nutrition for your dogs and cats
because when we know better, we

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can do better.
So thank you so much for being

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here with me.
Maria, how are you doing today?

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Thanks for.
Having me it's it's nice to see

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you since Vegas seems like a
long time ago now.

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I know.
And it wasn't even a month.

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I mean, at the time we're
recording this, it hasn't even

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been a month.
But it does seem like ages ago.

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It was so much fun this year and
so much more exhausting than it

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has been in past year.
Yep, very busy show for

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everybody that I know.
I think we were saying people

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are back from COVID.
You know, I've been doing these

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shows for probably almost 40
years now, and it has changed a

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lot over these 40 years.
But during like the last four

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years, it's been just so.
And now everybody's back and

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they all want to talk and I love
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Yes, everybody is back and I did
get to meet so many wonderful

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people including you.
And I'm really excited for us to

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chat today and me to bring this
information.

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Well, really you to bring this
information to the listeners and

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the viewers because we do put
this on YouTube as well.

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And I would just really like to
start off because you have such

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an incredible history in pet
food starting back in the 80s

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when the only other person I
know who was like talking about

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this doing this in the 80s was
Doctor Billinghurst on the other

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side of the world in Australia.
So can you just give us a brief

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like synopsis of this hat you
blazed and the pet food

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industry?
It's one of those tests.

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I can't believe I actually
walked it.

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And then I look back and I go,
Oh my gosh, it's been that long.

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So you're right.
In the 80s, I was in my 20s and

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I, I got a new dog and there was
nothing to feed my dog.

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I was working in food Co-op.
I was eating beans and rice and

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wanting to be clean and healthy
and I worked out and I wasn't

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about to feed one of the major
grocery store brands.

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It was just Sarbanes when I read
the ingredients.

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So a friend of mine very
knowledgeable about all things

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text.
I will be forever grateful to

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her.
She said let's start a business.

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Let's make our own dog food.
And being in our 20s and being

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foolish, we were like, Long
story short, we started this

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company that we named Sojourner
Farms.

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And it was a mixture of oats and
herbs and nuts all ground up.

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And you added water and fresh
meat.

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And it was based on the
teachings of a well known

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herbalist named Juliet de
Baraclay Levy.

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And she was a European gypsy
woman of royal descent of some

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sort.
And she raised Afghan hounds and

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she was complete outlier in the
pet industry.

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She wasn't even part of the pet
industry.

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She was an herbalist.
Well, anyway, we went and saw

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her and talked with her and got
the whole idea and put together

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this commercial pet food.
So there was literally nothing

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like it.
We we would go to those shows

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very much like Super Zoo, much
smaller in those days.

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And literally we were the only
two women there.

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Like, yeah, it was so different.
Everybody laughed and said

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organic isn't that cute and very
expensive and so much trouble.

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And of course, Jessica, you and
I both know this is the way that

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so many people are now moving in
the direction of, well, it may

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not just be about price or about
convenience.

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Maybe there's something to the
nutrition.

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And Fast forward again, I sold
that business to some folks that

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renamed it so Joe's.
And so Joe's became a pretty big

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brand.
And I went to school, I became a

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homeopathic Dr. I had a family
practice for 10 years.

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And my husband and I, about 15
years ago said there's got to be

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something we can do to make
things better because what we,

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what I was seeing in my patients
was people wanted to feed raw,

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they wanted to feed Whole Foods,
fresh foods.

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But there was this real
disconnect.

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So it's interesting, I heard you
in the intro to me talking about

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how you would never recommend a
dry food.

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And I don't blame you because
what has been out there for

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years and years and years is
just shit and sawdust mixed

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together with a bunch of
synthetics and food fractions

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and not really good.
Not to name any names of course.

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So Dave and I put together this
carbon floor and what we thought

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was let's create convenient
clean food.

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And that's I'm super proud of
it.

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And I'm so glad you discovered
us because we're low key people.

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We're not out there to change
the world.

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We just want to make the world a
better place.

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And what we could see from our
many years in the industry is

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there's people that really want
to feed a clean diet, but you

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know what, they've got three
kids to get off to school in the

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morning.
They are not going to wait for

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thawing.
They're not going to mix and

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cook.
And that's fantastic.

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It's the best way to feed your
animal and not everybody can do

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it and not everybody wants to do
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So how can we meet people where
they're at?

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So we created a recipe that is
like you said, it's quick, baked

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for four minutes, just enough to
kill the pathogens, Only Whole

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Foods.
There's no synthetics, no

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chemicals, no food fractions, no
meals, nothing.

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It's meat, eggs, liver, a few
vegetables, maybe some apples

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and a bunch of ground sprouted
seeds.

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That's it.
And then we mash it together

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like cookie dough.
We roll it out, we bake it for 4

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minutes, just enough to kill
salmonella, eat coli, and then

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long cool air dry.
It goes through this long tunnel

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and it's just cool air, cool
air, cool air to draw out the

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moisture.
Then we can put it in a bag and

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we can say to every consumer,
look, we know you're used to

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this.
This takes no time at all.

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Start here on your journey.
And, and I talked to at Superzu

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at, at the, at where you and I
met about it's really, it's a

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journey.
And so I get tired of hearing

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people judge other people.
And there's the holier than thou

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attitude.
And some people have a lot of

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money, some people don't.
Yeah, some people have a lot of

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time, some people don't.
OK, can we stop judging each

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other?
Can we start with what works for

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us?
And we have now, over these last

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14 years, found a huge number of
our customers are actually

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people that feed raw most of the
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They just don't have time all
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Three kids have to get to school
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The dogs got the runs or
whatever.

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OK Carded for in the bowl or
when they're traveling or when

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they're asking someone else to
watch their animal and and that

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person is not about to do all
this, you know, cooking and

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preparing.
They just they won't OK here you

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go Aunt Betty.
Here's the bag of cards for feed

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the dog keeper alive till we get
back and we don't have

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transition issues because you're
not feeding crap, you're feeding

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whole food.
It's quick bake, air dried,

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really simple and we've had a
lot of success with it and I'm

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super proud of it because that's
what I wanted.

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I just want to, I mean, having
work day after day with sick

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people, right?
That was my job.

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And of course they would tell me
about their pets because of my

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history.
And I would get to talking to

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them about pet nutrition and you
know, I would, I would share

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homeopathic stuff with them for
their pets.

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I would get very involved in
their lives.

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And and I heard this over and
over again.

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What can we do this just can I
just have something easy?

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There you have it.
That's what current for that.

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It's not rocket science.
It's just clean, healthy foods

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made processed as as as gently
as possible in a bakery.

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And then off you go.
It's it can sit on the store

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shelf.
It can sit in your pantry.

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You don't have to refrigerate.
You don't have to thaw it.

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You don't have to mix it.
You don't have to hydrate it,

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you know, And then hopefully as
you learn more, as we learn,

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what did you say?
It's the Maya Antelope quote.

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As we learn, we, we know better.
We do, but.

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Yeah.
Right.

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Just take it from there.
So that's what we're all about.

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That's what I'm all about.
I love, love, love hearing

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people say, OK, I don't have to
go all in because I'm

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intimidated by that.
I don't understand it.

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I don't have time for it.
I don't have the money for it.

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Shoof.
OK, let's just start with

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Carnivore.
Learn, listen, follow your

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podcast, read some books, take
some baby steps, Wait till the

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kids get a little older, you
know?

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And that's that's the thing that
I've noticed with like working

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with clients is that they do
want to do everything they

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possibly can for their pets.
But I mean, you've got, like you

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were saying, you've got kids,
you've got jobs, you've got just

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household responsibilities.
And oftentimes our pets just

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because of, you know, they're
not talking in your face.

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Generally, some dogs may it's
they just kind of they get, they

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get what they can get and
they're wonderful additions and

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parts of the family and they're,
you know, jumping up on the

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couch to cuddle with you on
movie night and all the things,

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all the wonderful things that
our pets do for us.

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But for me, like I realize, and
I'm sure you do too, this is

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almost a full time job, just
doing the research, staying on

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top of, you know, going to AFCO
doing like learning all of this

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is it's not only very time
consuming, but emotionally

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exhausting.
It can be because of how the big

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guys are.
I mean, it's, it's very much

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just a way to get rid of human
waste and that is not what

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you're doing at all.
Yep, that's.

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Right.
It's I heard somebody the other

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day and I wish I could remember
who it was.

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Oh, Krista Fox at Pug and hound
Pet Apothecary.

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She said that carnivore is in a
class of its own.

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Like there isn't anything else
like it.

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And I was like, OK, I'm on the
right path.

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I've heard that many, many times
and it's, it's, it's funny

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because it's just we took the
very simplest, simplest premise.

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And that's what people, that's
what I want as a mother, as a

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business owner, as someone who
has to work very hard, very long

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days, some days and has plenty
of worries, you know, like

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everyone else, which we want to
do the best we can and we just

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want it simple.
Please just, you know, keep it

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simple so that I can manage it
on a day-to-day that that's all

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I'm asking.
And we have found a lot of store

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owners will say, well, where do
I stop this?

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Like does it go with next to the
freezer?

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Does it go, you know, and that's
what we, we do try to help our,

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our retailers, our independent
retailers say to tell them where

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it should go in the store, which
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wherever you have the air dried
food or next to the freezers or

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something, but not with your
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We don't call carnivore a kibble
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distinction.
It is not extruded, you know, it

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has no corn, no wheat, all that
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It doesn't have all that stuff.
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class of its own.
You know, it's not quite raw,

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which it's not.
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And we've always said that it's
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they call air dried and then it
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I didn't know.
I try not to worry about it too

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much.
I just love talking to people

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about their animals health and
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And I know I can tell you
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years I have had consumers call
me and say I cannot believe the

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change in my animal.
Just the ears, the itchy skin,

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the gas, the bloat, the illness,
the lack of energy, all of it.

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The arthritis.
When you get an animal dog

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because we make cat food too, a
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healthy diet like that just
starting with carnivore.

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You don't have to go all into
the, you know, raw chicken meat,

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blah blah, just starting with
carnivore.

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They see the difference and it
sparks their imagination and

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their hopefulness.
That's you don't have to be a

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rocket scientist.
You can actually, I can manage

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this and I just, I love that.
Yeah.

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And I do want to talk a little
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with you, but I want to take a
little tangent first, because

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you did become a doctor and you
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part of your practice, as I
understand it, you used

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homeopathy.
Is that correct?

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I was a homeopathic Dr. I'm
retired now.

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Yes, OK.
So homeopathy is something I

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don't talk a whole heck of a lot
about because and I don't I

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don't really have people on that
talk about it a whole lot.

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I think it's difficult to find
people who are practicing

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homeopathy anymore and
especially with, you know, how

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the, the pharmaceutical
companies are come down here in

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the US it's, I mean, I'm sure
it's very similar in Canada.

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And you want to know why they
come down so hard on us,

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Jessica, we cannot patent the
homeopathic medicine.

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I just want to tell your
listeners that there I know some

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wonderful well trained medical
doctors who became homeopaths.

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I know wonderful herbalist that
became homeopaths and I know

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people like myself just, you
know, smart people that wanted

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to make the world a better place
become homeopaths.

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What we all have in common is
this curiosity of how the body

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works, how energy works in the
body and how everything affects

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us and in the remedies that we
prescribe.

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There's great power, but what
there is not is great profit.

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And since you cannot patent a
remedy, because I could make a

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remedy for you, I could.
And we did in medical school, we

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spent a day and made a remedy.
You just need a plant or a

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mineral or a fragment of an
animal bone, and you make the

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remedy out of that.
And you can't, you can't patent

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arnica flower.
It belongs to God, it belongs to

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people.
And so since they can't make

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money on us, they're going to
turn everyone against us.

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But believe you me, if they
could, I would be a very highly

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paid, very highly esteemed
physician right now.

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Let me tell you if they could
make money, but you can't.

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Like it's very time intensive.
If I were to take your case, it

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would take me two hours and I
would have to sit and you would

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have to talk.
And I would be writing and then

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I would be researching for
another two hours.

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And then I would get you this 5
or $10 remedy and you would feel

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better.
And it would be you know who,

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who's making money here?
No one you know.

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Yeah.
That's why I just had to say

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that because that's the that's
at the bottom of it all.

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That's where the harassment
comes in, because if you could

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make money off of it, it would
be a whole nother story.

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Absolutely right.
I agree with that all 100%.

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And I, I have dabbled in it a
little bit for myself and for my

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animals.
And I have a friend who she

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mostly deals with energy with
cats and she is much more into

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homeopathy than I am.
So she's always like, try this

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one, try that one.
And she, you know, muscle tests

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things and it's so very
interesting.

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Fascinating, isn't it?
And your animal doesn't know

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what you're doing.
Your animal doesn't have

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preconceived notions.
And this, this criticism that

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it's all a placebo effect, yes,
but when your dog or your cat or

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your Guinea pig or your goat or
your cow responds so

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beautifully, so quickly, so
completely, how do you explain

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that they all, you know, it was
just happenstance.

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You have to laugh.
I love it.

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I will be a homeopath till the
day I die.

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I never stuck learning.
Even though I am retired.

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I have to choose, you know, am I
retired or not?

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Because people ask me all the
time, can you take my case?

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I am retired.
I still help friends and family.

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Of course, that's homeopathy is
in me.

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I've been studying it since I
was 25.

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I love it, I respect it.
And the power of homeopathy is

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incredible.
I have seen it change lives.

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I have seen it do incredible
things in the right hands.

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It does take some medication.
You do have to understand what

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you're dealing with here, but
boy, it's a wonderful science.

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It's an art and a science put
together.

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Yeah.
And the way I understand it is

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that it is energetic medicine
and it is very customized and

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specific to your individual
symptoms.

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Yep, that's correct.
Which is why it takes a

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practitioner like you so long.
It can take you so long to

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pinpoint like OK, the I need to
know exactly like is your cough

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dry or is it wet?
Or is it you know, where is it?

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Is it coming?
From your Because there's

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pneumonia in your family.
We go back three generations

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because our energy is not just
right here, it's in US.

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Just remember, my ovaries were
in my mother.

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Yeah, her ovaries were in her
mother.

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So we have passed down ovaries,
literally egg cells through the

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matrilineal generations.
So what happened to them?

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What affected them
energetically?

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Shock, crisis, starvation
continued on.

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That energetic vibe has
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So me and although I did not
live in Poland, I did not starve

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in Poland, I was not harassed in
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My great grandmother was right.
When you when you when you look

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at homeopathy from that
perspective, there is no other

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medicine, maybe Chinese medicine
somewhat, but there is no other

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medicine that takes all of that
into consideration.

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I could do a whole podcast on
homeopathy.

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I used to be a faculty member
and one of my specialties was

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history of homeopathy and also
teaching the rudimentaries of

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homeopathy.
I've done some some some courses

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on homeopathy for dogs Naturally
Magazine.

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I did a course for them and I've
done some in some stores where

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we've, the store owner has set
aside a whole weekend and I will

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go and teach homeopathy for
eight hours and we'll have 50

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people there just taking notes,
just learning.

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That's what I can do for my dog.
Because literally, you're going

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to pay $10.00 for this tube of
remedy that lasts forever and

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you can use it. 50 times like,
you know, there's enough doses

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in there.
So it, you know, it's got a low

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barrier to entry as far as the
cost.

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And we could put together a kit
for you that would encompass

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just about any illness or injury
your dog or cat could get into

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that you could keep forever.
And all you need is a book or

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some teaching or, or my phone
number or you know, that kind of

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thing.
And you could really, really

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help your animal to ride.
Of course, you take your animal

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to the vet when it's time, and
that's critical, too.

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You need to know.
All right, it's time to call it

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quicks here.
We got to go to the vet, right?

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Nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, at all.

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We should all be working
together.

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But try to keep the animal at
home and ease the animal

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suffering as much as you can.
Is it minor?

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Can you manage it?
Do that.

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Your your animal will be better
off.

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Yeah, I, I love that you have so
much knowledge and so much like

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background in really a holistic
way of and I think you I was

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listening to you on the BK Pets
podcast and you don't you, you,

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you like to just refer to
everything as natural rearing.

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Is that correct?
That term natural rearing that

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came from Juliet Levy because
it's it's much more than just

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food you know, look at our
families, look at our our own

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lives.
If I were to eat a really clean

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diet that is very specific to my
needs, which would be amazing

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and it would take me a lot of
research to figure that out,

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right?
But let's say I did that.

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But then I smoked or lived right
next to a freeway, you know, 4

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drinks a night, never exercised
and lived with someone that

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abused me.
How healthy am I?

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Yeah.
We must look at it as natural

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rearing for our animals.
It's, it's, it's what's the

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source of their water?
What is the source of their air?

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I had a friend who was doing
everything right and her dogs

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kept getting cancer.
It turned out she lived near a

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sod farm.
And they were spraying.

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And, you know, it's just like
making the connection sometimes

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takes a minute.
And Oh my God, these chemicals

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were coming across into her
backyard.

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So she moved.
She just, you know, she had to

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move.
These are the things that

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encompass that get encompassed
in natural rearing.

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What is the what's the vibe in
your house?

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Are you guys always fighting or
is there a distrust amongst the

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partners, etcetera, etcetera.
Is there all the things that go

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into health are equally
important.

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Food's huge, of course.
Medicine is huge, of course, but

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there's also the source of their
happiness, their comfort level,

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their safety, the air, the
water, etcetera.

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You know, is their bed someplace
they feel safe?

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Maybe they need a crate.
You know, I learned that a long

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time ago with my dog.
He needed a crate.

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He felt safe.
He wasn't abandoned or locked

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up.
No, no, it was like, hey, I'm

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going to sleep now.
You.

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It's just, you know, my roommate
used to crawl into the crate

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with him because he was very
happy in his.

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Yeah, I, I talk about crates
quite a bit as well, because I

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wasn't, I was for a short period
of time a dog trainer.

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And that's like one of like I, I
go kind of cringe when people

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are like, I need to crate train
my dog.

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And I'm like, yes, you do, but
why?

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Like, because so many people use
it as punishment and I can't

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stand behind that.
But that's like my crates and my

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house are open at all times,
right?

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And they just go in there and
they yes.

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Right.
They're, they get away from us.

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They're they, they got their
stuffies and their and their

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beds.
No one bothers them.

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It's in a nice corner, you know?
Heck yeah.

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It's like my bed, you know?
They're willing.

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Yes.
So you brought up veterinarians

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and how yes, veterinary care is
very important.

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We need to know when to do
things at home, when to go to

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the vet.
And one of the things that I'm

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curious if you hear a lot of,
because so many of our

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veterinarians, I mean, what we
know, they don't really get a

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whole lot of nutrition training,
if any.

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And their what whatever program,
whatever college they're in,

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taking their veterinary medicine
courses.

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And then when they come out,
they pretty much like it's

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whatever food sponsored that
college, whatever food they were

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given for free for those however
many years.

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That's what they're recommending
in their practice.

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And a lot of them are, you know,
there are certainly a handful of

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them that are continue their
education.

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And yes, they absolutely want
your dog on a fresh food diet.

448
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,240
There are a handful of them that
can get on board with home

449
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,400
cooking and adding fresh food to
the kibble there.

450
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,240
So it's not an all or nothing
situation by any means.

451
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,000
But the majority of them I think
are very much in this.

452
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,720
You have to keep your dog on a
kibble because it is completely

453
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,320
balanced and it has all of the
vitamins and minerals and blah

454
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,760
blah blah blah blah blah, blah,
blah.

455
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,600
And I even though like so
carnivore is not a kibble, but I

456
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:51,160
wonder if you noticed that it is
more accepted by veterinarians?

457
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:57,280
Yes, because it's familiar and
I'm a big fan of veterinarians

458
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:02,120
and I having been a practitioner
myself, I have a soft spot for

459
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:07,400
people that really want to learn
a craft, their art and science

460
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,280
of medicine.
They choose veterinarian skills,

461
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,080
they go and they pay a lot of
money.

462
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,840
And getting into BED school is
very, very tough.

463
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,360
It's not easy to do.
There are far fewer BED schools

464
00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,400
than medical schools.
So on the one hand, it's easier

465
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,680
for one of the big or two of the
big pet food companies to kind

466
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,280
of own the school.
On the other hand, there are

467
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,440
very few options.
So these veterinarians are like

468
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,640
anyone else.
They, they want, they want to

469
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,280
make the world a better place.
They don't have enough

470
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,880
information and they have to
earn money because how many

471
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,480
times have you heard people say,
Oh my God, the vet wanted $200

472
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,320
to do that surgery.
That's not a lot of money to do

473
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,320
with surgery when you consider
her over.

474
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,080
Did you know veterinarians have
very high rate of suicide?

475
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,520
And I.
Said to me so I always want to

476
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,760
say I I think veterinarians are
people too and they need

477
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,360
education.
And you're right I don't

478
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:09,040
disagree with anything you said.
There are just like they're well

479
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,000
meaning pet parents who don't
have the info.

480
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,320
The problem is the veterinarian
is going to towel the pet

481
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,960
parent.
No, no, you, I have to feed this

482
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,280
kibble and it has to be this
brand.

483
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,040
And by the way, your dog's
overweight.

484
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,640
So it has to be the weight
management formula, which is

485
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,320
complete marketing.
It's marketing.

486
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:32,080
So yes, yes, I have found that
vets in general are more

487
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,800
accepting of a dry food that is
complete and balanced.

488
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:41,320
It's all up to it's beyond AFCO
standards and it is familiar and

489
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,880
so they feel comfortable because
they are responsible for their

490
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,840
advice to you.
On the other hand, a lot of vets

491
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,000
have told us over the years as
we've approached vets that

492
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,360
clinics, you know they say oh, I
can't sell carnivore because you

493
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:59,000
don't have senior formula, puppy
formula, weight management

494
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,640
formula, these things that they
need on their shelf in order to

495
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,360
stay in business.
They need what we call passive

496
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,400
income.
So they need a shelf that their

497
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,720
admin can take that client to
and say, OK, here's the bag of

498
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,160
this and here's the medicine of
that.

499
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,960
And here's the blah, blah, blah.
And that adds $100 to the bill.

500
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,880
But that is what that vet needs
to pay her rent.

501
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,000
So that's the other side of the
story.

502
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,480
And, and we've, we've been told,
you know, Oh no, you know, how

503
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,520
can it just be all life stages?
Well, my answer to that is when

504
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,480
you were growing up, did your
grandmother eat a whole

505
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,000
different diet or did she just
eat less or more than the

506
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,120
three-year old?
And did your mom eat a whole

507
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,800
different diet or did she just
eat less or more than the 16

508
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,840
year old?
Like common sense tells us that

509
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:53,960
if you're eating appropriate
foods, then puppies need more

510
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,760
that dogs need a little less,
right?

511
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,600
It's it's marketing and that and
the vets are really on that.

512
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,280
And like I said, it's, I
understand why I get it.

513
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,680
I respect their need to earn a
living.

514
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,160
And and it's not easy to make a
living as a people have high

515
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,960
expectations of veterinarians
and they don't get the respect

516
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,720
that they really need to earn.
They really don't get that from

517
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,360
people because it costs a lot to
to run a clinic and people don't

518
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,040
want to pay it.
And there's no, there's very

519
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,360
little health insurance out
there.

520
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,360
People don't really cough up for
dogging.

521
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:29,760
They don't.
Right.

522
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,600
Yeah.
Yeah.

523
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,560
Like you heard earlier,
carnivores in a class on its

524
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,880
own, even in the vet clinics
they're like, yet maybe.

525
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,400
Right, I don't know what to do
with this, but it's good.

526
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,920
I haven't had too many vets say
it's a bad food because when you

527
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,240
look at the ingredients and you
look at the guaranteed analysis,

528
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,200
there's nothing to complain
about.

529
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,640
There's no reason not to feed
this food.

530
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,560
So so they don't object from
that standpoint.

531
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,320
You know, the whole complete and
balanced thing, because you put

532
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,200
together a proper diet, it's
complete and balanced.

533
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,160
It's fine.
There's no reason to object to

534
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,240
it.
Yeah.

535
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,800
And then they'll say, well, you
know, it's a senior dog, so you

536
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,880
should really put them on senior
board with, OK, whatever.

537
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,520
Yes, Now I, I agree there's a
lot of marketing in that and I

538
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:24,720
think a lot of it too probably
stemmed from the fact that, you

539
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,640
know, kibbles, actual kibbles
are balanced with vitamin and

540
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,520
mineral packs.
And so it's just, you know,

541
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,280
that's one of the other things I
wanted to talk to you about with

542
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,240
for me, I am not a fan,
especially of vitamin and

543
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,520
mineral packs, but if we can get
away from any synthetics at all

544
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,360
in the food, that's my
preference.

545
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,000
And that's what you have done
and been able to provide a shelf

546
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:56,400
stable food, which just is the
reality is I've, I have heard of

547
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,880
carnivore for many years.
And I just have to be honest

548
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,040
that I didn't give it a second
thought because I'm like, it's a

549
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,680
dry food that sits on the shelf
forever.

550
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,680
And I just didn't give it a
second thought.

551
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,840
And then it was actually hearing
you speak that I'm like, Oh my

552
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,840
gosh, this woman knows what
she's talking about.

553
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,880
Yep, the vitamin mineral packs
are a real issue, and it was one

554
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,720
of the first things Dave and I
tackled when we decided to put

555
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,360
together a recipe that we were
hoping people could use as the

556
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,480
bridge to raw, like we like to
say.

557
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:34,120
And it's ubiquitous, like every
dog food has it, like natural

558
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,640
brands.
It's cheaper than putting in

559
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,280
Whole Foods or more meat.
It's much cheaper.

560
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,840
And none of that stuff, none of
the synthetics are made in the

561
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,240
US.
They're all made offshore and

562
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,000
they're imported in big dusty
bags and it's chemicals.

563
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:58,360
It's all surely lab made.
And OK, so are some medicines

564
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,200
and sometimes those are
necessary.

565
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,960
So what's the big objection?
I'll give you my objection, and

566
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:11,560
that is that synthetic nutrients
are taken into the body very

567
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,120
differently from whole food
nutrients.

568
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,400
So whole food nutrients have all
their family of Co nutrients

569
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,280
around them.
In other words, vitamin A, which

570
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,280
comes naturally in carrots, is
not on its own in the carrot.

571
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,160
There are literally hundreds of
Co nutrients around that vitamin

572
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,360
A that make it digestible and
bioavailable.

573
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,320
When you eat the carrot.
If you just take retinol which

574
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,960
is the chemical vitamin A, you
have now lost that entire family

575
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,640
of Co nutrients.
So what happens is the body

576
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,600
ingests the retinol in that
synthetic vitamin pack and says

577
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,080
wait a SEC, where's the rest of
them?

578
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680
Doesn't know what to do with
that nutrient.

579
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,160
Has to find a place to store the
nutrient, usually in the fat

580
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:12,400
while it waits for the whole
nutrients needed to make retinol

581
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,200
bioavailable.
Weights for the natural

582
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,320
ingestion of those conutrients
because they're very small

583
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,600
amounts.
Once it has them all, now it can

584
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,200
package it all together and use
the vitamin A.

585
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:32,160
The body is so smart if too much
vitamin A, just to continue on

586
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,320
that example so as not to
confuse people.

587
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:39,040
If too much vitamin A all on its
own is ingested and stored in

588
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,800
the fat, the body eventually
says that's toxic waste.

589
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,880
I have to get rid of that.
So now it goes into a detox

590
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,520
procedure, stressing the
kidneys, the lungs, the skin,

591
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:57,840
the GI, all of the organs of
detox now have a big job to do.

592
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:04,360
And your body, your dog's body
is now vulnerable because it's

593
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,920
working real hard to get rid of
this toxic waste.

594
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:13,159
Along comes the chemicals from
that sod factory next door, that

595
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,880
sod farm, and now it's got to
deal with this other invader.

596
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,960
And the entire immune system is
on fire.

597
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:26,000
That's called inflammation.
Inflammation causes disease.

598
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,600
So when you really just peel it
that ingesting the synthetic

599
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,719
nutrients is sometimes important
on a short term basis.

600
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,800
And I had a heck of a time
getting that message through to

601
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,520
my patients.
They'd be like, well, I'm really

602
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,600
healthy.
I take a supplement every day.

603
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,040
I take a, you know, one a day or
whatever.

604
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,440
And I'm like, how long have you
been doing that?

605
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:55,760
Oh, and so we would have the and
the, and the truth is that the

606
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:02,040
body knows how to digest and
make available to all of its

607
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,880
organs and all of its systems,
Whole Foods.

608
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:10,520
It does not, no, it does not
recognize the synthetics.

609
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,840
It recognizes them as foreign.
And what does the body do with

610
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,440
foreign invaders?
Up comes the immune system, up

611
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,160
comes the T cells and the B
cells and all these fighting

612
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,920
mechanisms in the body to say,
wait, wait, wait, wait, no, that

613
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,160
what is that?
That's not coming in here.

614
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,480
So you can take all the
synthetic nutrients you want.

615
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,720
After a while, the body puts up
a big fight.

616
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:37,360
Now you've got chronic
inflammation.

617
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,920
And one of my favorite images is
it's like your body's running on

618
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:47,400
a hamster wheel trying to get
nutrition because it's not

619
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,360
getting nutrition.
You're taking those vitamins,

620
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,200
those synthetic vitamins, and
the body's going, oh, I can use

621
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,680
some of this.
I'm going to store the rest of

622
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,920
that.
But it's not getting whole

623
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,720
nutrition.
It's not getting what it needs.

624
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,560
So it's limping along and your
dog's going to start to itch and

625
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,120
that's going to get those ears
and then breath and then one by

626
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,720
one, by one until the hamster
wheel has exhausted him and now

627
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,760
he's got cancer.
Now he's got all these human

628
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,320
diseases, all these illnesses
that animals are now getting

629
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,560
that they didn't used to get
because we have changed their

630
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:28,120
diet from go out and catch a
rabbit, bring in a dead bird.

631
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:32,640
The stuffed Julia Debericly Levy
would have loved to.

632
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,320
Here's the kibble in your bowl.
This is what you're going to get

633
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:41,720
every day the rest of your life.
And the nutrition, because it's

634
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:47,440
extruded with high heat, high
pressure and acid, there is

635
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,920
literally nothing left alive.
So they Add all these synthetic

636
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,920
nutrients and then they spray on
fats and attractants.

637
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,280
And then they put in all of the
stuff that's supposed to keep it

638
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,200
whole.
And that is what your animal

639
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,240
eats the rest of its life.
And you wonder why animals have

640
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:10,160
such an explosion of chronic
illness.

641
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,960
So we just dial it back to, you
know what, try to eat as many

642
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,960
Whole Foods in their whole form
as you can.

643
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,600
And I say to my customers with
carnivore, shred in some

644
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:26,480
carrots, add a fresh egg or some
yogurt or some cottage cheese or

645
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,280
some peanut butter or some fresh
meat in a separate meal.

646
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,480
Like do the best you with your
carnivore.

647
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,480
You don't have to add anything
if you don't have time, you

648
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,200
really you should be OK, but
it's not ideal.

649
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,960
Ideally, every animal needs some
fresh food just like us.

650
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,720
You know, if we eat breakfast
cereal, breakfast cereal is

651
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,320
extruded with all the same
industry synthetic vitamins.

652
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,360
It's high heat, high pressure
and acid break everything down.

653
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:02,720
They spray on the sugar and the
flavors and they say here kids

654
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,160
have a great day, right?
Same thing so with.

655
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,960
Carnivore, tell me a little bit
about your ingredients and the

656
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,720
sourcing and because I I read
somewhere that sourcing and

657
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,160
sustainability are also very
important to you.

658
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:27,040
They are very important.
So we get meat from our supplier

659
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,560
who supplies the restaurant
industry and the DOC.

660
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:37,640
The chicken and the fish are all
Canadian because we're in Canada

661
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,880
for your listeners.
And then we import from New

662
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:45,880
Zealand the goat, the venison
and the lamb, because that was

663
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,120
cleanest, consistent source,
right?

664
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,880
Sometimes people ask me, why
don't you do all organic like

665
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,920
you did with Sojourner Farms?
Well, because I could say it's

666
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,000
organic.
Sometimes it is.

667
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,600
It's like can't be all the time.
There's not enough.

668
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,000
I get my family meat from a
farmer 2 1/2 hours from here.

669
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,920
He is five generations organic.
He's growing turkeys right now.

670
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,120
He just asked me, do you want a
Turkey for Christmas?

671
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,360
Right.
That's where I get my meat.

672
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,000
There is such demand for his
produce.

673
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,560
There's not enough for the pet
food market.

674
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,560
So if you're trying to put
organic meat into pet food,

675
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,640
you're going to have very small
business and it's going to be

676
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,960
inconsistent.
And then there's going to be the

677
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,320
day your distributor says, oh, I
couldn't get organic and I

678
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,840
substituted something else.
And that's not acceptable to us.

679
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,160
So Dave and I did our research
long time ago.

680
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:42,360
This is my husband's job too.
This is like, you know, he's so

681
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,600
keen on this.
I remember him dragging me out

682
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,640
to an apple farmer in Ontario.
I want to check out the guy's

683
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,240
apples.
I'm like, OK, Dave, let's do it.

684
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,680
So it's, it's such a simple
recipe.

685
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,200
There's like eight ingredients
and three of the ingredients are

686
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,960
sprouted seeds or so organic
sprouted seeds are, it's like

687
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,600
making fine wine.
They, they're, they're sprouted.

688
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,560
They're all USDA organic.
They're sprouted just to the

689
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,040
right amount and they're dried
and they're ground into this

690
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,960
lovely meal.
You know, it's a sprouted seed

691
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,160
meal and we use them liberally.
And that is the key.

692
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,240
That is how we are able.
To put super nutrients to this

693
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:28,840
mixture that is so simple.
Meat, liver, eggs, all locally

694
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,040
sourced, either Ontario or like
I said, New Zealand for three of

695
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,960
the meats and we mash it up
together.

696
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,320
We, we know our suppliers.
That's like I said, that's

697
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,200
Dave's job.
So I can't claim personally.

698
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,680
I don't even remember that apple
farmer's name, but you know, he

699
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,560
has made it a point to get to
know these people and to keep it

700
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,680
as local as possible.
I know we get our duck from

701
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,560
Quebec and, and that guy's like,
he sells really expensive duck,

702
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,680
really fancy restaurants.
And he's like, don't tell

703
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,040
anybody I'm selling it to you.
We're like, OK, really, right,

704
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,880
You know, but our whole goal is
to try to keep it close to us,

705
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,080
as close as we can and run a
business, right.

706
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,120
But nothing, nothing outside of
New Zealand.

707
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,520
Have you ever been to New
Zealand?

708
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,240
It's one of the countries in the
world there are more sheep than

709
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:22,520
people.
Seriously, like 20 million to

710
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,000
one.
I spent three months there and

711
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,480
it is, it is a farming,
agricultural island.

712
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,800
So talk about clean air, clean
water.

713
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,680
And they know how to, they know
how to raise animals there.

714
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,920
So you will get pasture raised,
everything.

715
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,880
They don't have factory farms in
New Zealand, They don't need to.

716
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,360
They have so much space and so
few people that this is so

717
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,760
that's why we went to New
Zealand.

718
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,640
We really enjoyed that and we've
both been there.

719
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,400
So we can actually see for
ourselves.

720
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,800
This is how we're dealing with
it here.

721
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,160
No chemicals, nothing from a
lab.

722
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,960
So there's grounded seeds,
there's a few vegetables.

723
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,760
Some of our recipes have whole
brown rice and helps keep it

724
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,800
together and adds minerals.
We actually like the whole brown

725
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,640
rice.
That's the only grain.

726
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,000
There's no corn, there's no
wheat, nothing that shouldn't be

727
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,760
in there, right?
Again, locally sourced, milled

728
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:22,480
in Ontario, baked in Quebec, and
then shipped all over the.

729
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,240
World, tell me a little bit more
about the sprouted seeds and

730
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:31,800
that's also available as the,
you know, the four, four, yes,

731
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,400
the sprouted seeds and the
greens, yeah.

732
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:41,840
So did the sprouted seeds are
collection of lentils and barley

733
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,040
and chia and broccoli.
And there's two different we

734
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,800
have fluorophore and fluorophore
greens plus and we put the

735
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,280
fluorophore collection into our
carnivore, all of our carnivore

736
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:56,880
products and it's, it's it.
We saw such an amazing

737
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,760
difference when we were testing
the product on all of our

738
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,560
friends and families, dogs and
cats and gerbils and horses.

739
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,800
So we said we have to solve this
separately.

740
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,120
It is an amazing superfood.
It is simply there's no heat

741
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,440
applied.
It is not processed in any way.

742
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,320
We grow the sprouts, we dry them
out naturally, not under heat,

743
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,880
and we grind them up and we put
them in a bag that's all USDA

744
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:27,360
organic, 100%, four ingredients,
3-4 ingredients, and a

745
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,640
tablespoon at a time into
whatever you're feeding is a

746
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,000
great way to start on that path
to natural wearing because you

747
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,960
will see.
So it's such intense super food

748
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,920
nutrition, especially the Omega,
the omega-3 fatty acids in that

749
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,880
product are amazing.
And you will see the difference

750
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,480
in your itchy dog within, you
know, 10 days, two weeks.

751
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,960
I've had numerous, numerous
consumers tell me that we put it

752
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,440
in our smoothies and when we met
in Las Vegas, I was making

753
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,160
smoothies for everybody at our
booth for people.

754
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,520
Everybody's like, wait, is this
people food or animal food?

755
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,600
I'm like, it's everybody's food.
This is my point.

756
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,760
It is, yes, you can eat it, feed
it to your child, Just mix it

757
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,560
into their yogurt.
We have a bag at home on the

758
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,200
counter.
I put it into my smoothies, my

759
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,320
breakfast cereal, my oatmeal,
Right?

760
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,440
I make bone broth oatmeal all
the time.

761
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:27,000
It's making breakfast and I will
stir in 2 tablespoons of

762
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:34,880
fluorophore to get omega-3 fatty
acids, live enzymes and the main

763
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,800
event billions of CF us of
native probiotics.

764
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,680
And when you buy a bag of
carnivore, do you ever notice

765
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,760
how it looks vacuum packed
because you don't vacuum pack

766
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,720
it.
It's a hand cake, like it's and

767
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,960
it looks like you sucked all the
air out of the bag.

768
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:58,480
Those are the probiotics which
are alive, eating the oxygen in

769
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,280
the back.
Oh, wow.

770
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,600
Yeah, that's interesting.
That's what that is.

771
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,640
Because we don't, we don't do
anything.

772
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,400
We put it in the bag, we seal it
up.

773
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,400
And because we don't over
process any of our recipes,

774
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,560
those probiotics are still alive
and we've been shelf testing

775
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,680
them for 14 years.
Like we.

776
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:22,280
Still have bags with live
probiotics from 13 years ago.

777
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,680
We don't recommend you hold on
to Carnival, but it's important

778
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:32,720
to us that we know you know.
So the difference is native

779
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:36,080
probiotics come from food, they
come from the soil.

780
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,600
And if you think about it, a
seed, a tiny little seed has all

781
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,520
the nutrition in it required to
grow a huge plant.

782
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,520
Think of an acorn and an oak
tree.

783
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,680
Everything needed to make that
oak tree, all the nutrition, all

784
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,680
the DNA, everything is in that
acorn.

785
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,400
So when you take a seat and you
sprout it, what you're releasing

786
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,200
is the phytic acid shell that
pulls all those probiotics,

787
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,120
enzymes, minerals, vitamins,
everything in it.

788
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:14,320
And now it's available in your
gut and you release the energy.

789
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,760
You can chew a flax seed for 10
hours.

790
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,640
You will not get the same
nutrition as if you simply

791
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,200
sprouted overnight and then eat
it.

792
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,240
It's a it's a different seed
altogether, totally different.

793
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,280
So that's what we discovered
with carnivore.

794
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,200
You can Add all this nutrition
and you don't have to process it

795
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:35,680
and you don't need anything
faint.

796
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,720
So I think you answered the
question I'm getting ready to

797
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:43,080
ask you, but not in a way that
people would understand because

798
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,360
you did mention legumes and you
did mention brown rice.

799
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:52,560
And somehow, some way, because
they, the media did such a good

800
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:58,760
job and veterinarians did such a
good job scaring people off of

801
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,480
grain free diets.
Can you tell me a little bit

802
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:09,200
about why it is OK that there
are some legumes and some brown

803
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,920
rice?
If you So what happened with

804
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,440
that whole grain free thing and
it was pushed by the big pet

805
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,840
food companies because there are
a number of us smaller people,

806
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,160
smaller companies that are
putting boutique diets out there

807
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,600
is what they call them right
simple different foods.

808
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,000
And one of the things that
everybody seemed to appreciate

809
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,320
was grain free.
Why grain free?

810
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,160
Because in standard grocery
store kibble, there's a lot of

811
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:47,600
wheat and corn, frappy floor
sweepings, wheat and corn.

812
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,000
And that is not necessary or
good for your dog, but it's

813
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,760
cheap and it fills up that
kibble and then they spray the

814
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,440
Fed on and the attractants and
swallow it right.

815
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,520
So they feel threatened by the
competition, understandably so,

816
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:11,280
because we are innovating and
also teaching people you don't

817
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,560
need to feed that crap.
So if you look on a recipe for

818
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:20,280
any standard grain filled
typical grocery store, it's full

819
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,240
of wheat and chaff and corn and
food fractions and pea protein,

820
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,320
legume protein.
So then this whole thing

821
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,400
happened with don't Feed Grain
Free.

822
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,400
Why?
Well because we tested a couple

823
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,920
brands and they fell short of
the nutrition.

824
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Well some of the bigger pet food
companies were doing grain free

825
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:46,160
products and instead of adding
more meat, which would make

826
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,760
sense but that would cost money,
they added more food fractions

827
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,880
and synthetic nutrition and that
is not good for the animal.

828
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,360
So I'm sure there are a number
of grain free foods out there

829
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,360
that are really bad for dogs.
100% sure of that.

830
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:08,160
But not every grain free product
is bad for dogs and not every

831
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,840
grain is bad for dogs.
So step back, use your common

832
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,280
sense.
Anything that comes out of big

833
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,040
pet food, take it with a grain
of salt because it's just about

834
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,720
competition for them.
So if they say grain free is all

835
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:26,080
bad, just think for a SEC.
Is that really ringing true for

836
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,240
me and my animal or not?
Number one, Number two, what is

837
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:33,000
on that ingredient list?
At the end of the day, it is the

838
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,720
consumers responsibility to read
the ingredient list.

839
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,240
It should not be starting with
grains.

840
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,440
It should start with meat,
right?

841
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,400
It should start with meat and
you know, some some whole brown

842
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,760
rice.
That's OK.

843
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,280
That's not going to hurt your
animal.

844
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:55,720
And we have a lot of people
asking for that.

845
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,360
Also, if it's grain free, what
else is in there?

846
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,840
Is it food fractions?
Is it sheep pea proteins, cheap

847
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,320
legumes?
Or is it meat, liver and eggs?

848
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,880
Read the ingredients.
That's all that's about.

849
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,880
But it they were very successful
in scaring a lot of people.

850
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,680
I had a lot of friends and
family call me and say I feed

851
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,760
that recipe of yours that's
green free, as you know, is it?

852
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,160
Then I go read the ingredients.
Is there anything in there

853
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,880
that's bad for you?
And legumes got lumped into that

854
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,640
because there's also there are
companies that overuse the

855
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,080
legume and they should not be
overused.

856
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,680
So two things different with
with carnivores, we don't put

857
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:41,600
legumes in anything.
We put sprouted legumes in and

858
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:46,280
that's a whole different food.
Like I said, you can chew on a

859
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,920
flaxseed till the cows come
home.

860
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,600
You won't get the nutrition that
is sprouted flaxseed.

861
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,520
We'll give you same thing with
the organic brown lentils that

862
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,720
we add.
We add bread lentils and brown

863
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,160
lentils, red and brown.
I think there is a green anyway,

864
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,960
I forget, maybe.
All right.

865
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,320
And they get sprouted.
It is a completely different

866
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,360
nutrient.
Nobody's dog is chewing on these

867
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,640
legumes, you know, for hours.
No, we're not.

868
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,880
It's not a filler.
So read the ingredients list.

869
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,120
That's I just beg every
consumer.

870
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,320
And if you read the ingredients
list, you're a smart person.

871
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,560
You can read what's on that.
Is it food?

872
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,000
You understand there's nothing
wrong with sprouted seeds, but

873
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:34,560
are the first 3 or is it in the
top five ingredients that like,

874
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,560
you know, lentils, Why are they
sprouted lentils?

875
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,080
That's a different thing.
If it's just peas, just plain

876
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,680
old peas, like look at it,
what's what's above it?

877
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,680
Please tell me.
There's meat and liver and eggs,

878
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,840
but there's lean liver and eggs.
And then you get to the bottom

879
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,520
and there's sprouted seeds or
some salt or some baking soda or

880
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:00,000
some Rosemary or some, you know,
whatever.

881
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,080
OK.
You know, Rodney Hibby likes to

882
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,960
talk about the salt rule.
Anything that comes after salt,

883
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,120
there's, it's not a material
amount.

884
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,200
So if someone tries to tell you
we have sprouted seeds in our

885
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:14,360
food and it's after salt or it's
a you know, no they don't.

886
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:19,720
They sprinkled it in like fairy
dust with several of several of

887
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:22,760
those competitors and they all
felt by the wayside because at

888
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,680
the end of the day, it doesn't
perform.

889
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,760
Your dog is no better, still
itchy actually.

890
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,320
Feed food to your animal and
then your animal will start to

891
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,320
feel better and then you will
feel good about your purchase

892
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,160
because you'll know OK, it
actually performs.

893
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,600
It did what?
It's what Maria said it would

894
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:41,960
do.
Right.

895
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,880
So the whole issue with grain
free, it's had its day.

896
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,760
It it they, they bring it back
up when they start to feel

897
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,920
threatened.
Oh, it comes back up again.

898
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,440
Read the ingredients.
Don't feed a grain free that's

899
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,640
full of crap.
And there's plenty of those.

900
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,720
Don't feed that.
Yeah.

901
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,480
If it's meat and eggs and liver
and sprouted seeds and

902
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,240
vegetables, yeah.
Yeah, no, I still.

903
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,960
Right.
I still get people to this day

904
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,800
that are like, no, my
veterinarian, I was just there

905
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,360
last week and they said no grain
free and.

906
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,960
We will always have that, which
is it's part of our human

907
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,760
condition.
We, we have our habits, we have

908
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,080
our, our fears.
And it takes a lot for us to

909
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,320
move beyond that, which is why,
like I said earlier, I defend

910
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,720
the veterinarians to a point.
They are people too, and they

911
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:42,400
have a lot to learn.
And we all have to open our

912
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:44,440
minds so that when we know
better, we do better.

913
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,880
And you and I have both met tons
of veterinarians who are

914
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,000
listening and learning and
opening up their practice to new

915
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,960
ideas, to homeopathy, to herbs,
to fresh food.

916
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,680
And you know, there's, there's a
lot of them out there.

917
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,520
And there's, there are more and
more out there.

918
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,160
I had lots of conversation at
Super Soup.

919
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:11,720
It's very encouraging to me
because back in the day, gosh,

920
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:15,600
35 years ago, that was just not
happening.

921
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,920
You know, like you said, Doctor
Billing Hurston and Juliet Levy,

922
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,160
who wasn't, she wasn't a vet,
but she was an herbalist, right?

923
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:26,080
So she would work on your animal
and they were few and far

924
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,440
between.
Yeah, yeah.

925
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:33,560
I am very thankful that there
are so many more now and so many

926
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:37,640
of them online teaching and
educating, just educating pet

927
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,640
errands and it's, it is really
wonderful to see.

928
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,840
And just one more question if
you have a moment.

929
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,440
One of the things, and I brought
this up to you when we were

930
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,600
speaking at Super Zoo, is it's
just because of the work that I

931
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:59,480
do, because of the animals that
I help, I feel I will always die

932
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:06,440
on is hydration and how, I mean,
how does the food accept

933
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:07,520
hydration?
Can you?

934
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,280
Yep.
So our our regular sized Nuggets

935
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,200
don't accept hydration very
well.

936
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,560
In other words, they don't soak
it up.

937
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,840
Right, that's what.
You have to feed fresh water

938
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,080
with your animal, which for us
is common sense.

939
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:28,480
Always make sure your animal and
pour beef or bone broth onto the

940
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,120
carniform.
This is all part of you know

941
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,760
what we recommend.
We did create some what we call

942
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,440
easy chew Nuggets and that is if
I can remember correctly, the

943
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:45,120
fish, the goat, the venison
fish, the goat, the venison and

944
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,680
the lamb.
Those are we call them easy

945
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:50,120
chew.
They will absorb water.

946
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,240
We add a little bit of baking
soda to it to make it easier to

947
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:56,720
bite.
If your dog's teeth are old or

948
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:01,480
small or weak, great.
And it will absorb, it will

949
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,000
absorb more water.
We, we, we understand the

950
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,320
hydration thing too.
It's, it's not ideal.

951
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,120
This is why dry food, you know,
in general is something we have

952
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,920
to be very careful of.
So add the water, add the broth

953
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,440
and keep the fresh water
available.

954
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,720
But carnivore regular Nuggets
does not absorb water, right?

955
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,000
It just, it doesn't because we
just, we do.

956
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,960
Here's our process.
It's quick bake, it's long,

957
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,600
cool, air dried.
And that's what it is, right?

958
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,960
It's very shelf stable.
The dogs will Hoover it.

959
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,000
They're very delicious.
Make sure you feed water.

960
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,360
And we have a lot of customers
that say, oh, I just put the

961
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,400
bone broth in with it, you know,
I just tore it on.

962
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,120
Yeah, that's what I was just
thinking, like either like a

963
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,200
bone broth or a goat's milk,
because then they're not just

964
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,240
going to leave the water in the
bowl, like they'll actually

965
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,200
they'll lift everything up.
And they'll be fine.

966
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,480
Yes, they will.
But you know, keep in mind this

967
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,680
is it's like the ideal thing is
the story I told you at the

968
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:03,880
night before Super Zoo when we
were in that lovely store and

969
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:09,200
speaking with the BK pets.
And Juliet says Juliet used to

970
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,560
say she's long dead now.
But the best way to feed your

971
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:18,720
animal is to go and kill a goat
and bury it in the backyard and

972
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,880
leave it to ferment for a week
and then let the dogs out.

973
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:29,800
So there's one way to feed raw,
and if you have the backyard and

974
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,520
the neighbors that will allow
you to do that.

975
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,320
OK, go for it.
And if you're not quite there,

976
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,400
there's carnivore.
What?

977
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,360
Your bone broth, your goat's
milk.

978
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,240
Baby steps, Baby steps, you
know?

979
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,880
I love that story.
I'm going to use that story so

980
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,480
much because and and that is I
will say the first nutrition

981
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:56,440
certification I got, my head was
just thinning and I'm like, Oh

982
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,440
my gosh, this is so complicated,
right?

983
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,240
Why is it so complicated to feed
a dog?

984
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,840
And then I went through Doctor
Billinghurst new certification

985
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,920
program and I'm like, heavens,
like it doesn't have to be so

986
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,480
complicated is so simple.
And he talks about the

987
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,320
evolutionary diet is what he he
calls it.

988
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:24,400
And it's just, it is, it is so
simple, but you have to be able

989
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,080
to do it right.
And so I am really excited

990
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,520
actually to air this episode and
to let people know, because I do

991
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,400
get it all the time.
What about a dry food?

992
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,120
What about a dry food?
And I'm forever have been like,

993
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,600
I'm sorry, I can't, I don't have
one that I can recommend.

994
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,040
And so I'm now I'm so glad that
I do.

995
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,720
Yep.
Yep, Yep.

996
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,360
And, and I'm so glad that you
found us and love to see the

997
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,440
world changing in these
beautiful ways where we can come

998
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,120
up with a good idea, make it
available to people, soften the

999
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,040
tone, everybody.
It's OK.

1000
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,960
It's OK to not know what to do
right now.

1001
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,760
It's OK to find something that
works for now.

1002
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,600
It's OK to learn, to take a
course, to listen to a podcast

1003
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:14,280
just to open your brain and go,
OK, and maybe on this dog,

1004
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,840
you're learning, but on your
next dog, you'll have a down

1005
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,000
pat.
Like give yourself a pat on the

1006
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,360
back.
This is how we live, right?

1007
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,320
And I just hate the negativity.
I, I hate the you know, you

1008
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:31,880
shouldn't.
And I, I've had, I can't tell

1009
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,320
you how many people come up to
me with tears in their eyes and

1010
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,840
say, I wish I had known.
I didn't know.

1011
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,880
And I take her by the shoulders
every time when I say you did

1012
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,280
the best you would and you're
not at fault here.

1013
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,640
You were learning and it's OK.
And look at you now, you've

1014
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,840
heard something new and
something clicked and you're

1015
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:56,080
like, I get it, I get it right?
And that's fantastic.

1016
00:59:56,080 --> 01:00:00,520
That's called life positive.
I know, I know.

1017
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,640
And I tell people all the time,
look, I was there.

1018
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,080
I was a kibble feeder.
I took my cats into the vet.

1019
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,840
They got their dewormer every
three months.

1020
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,440
They got their vaccines every
year.

1021
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,120
They like I did all the things
that I thought was right.

1022
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:19,600
And it just took that one, one
thing, one, one thing, It's

1023
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,640
different for everybody.
It just took one thing for me to

1024
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,800
be like, wait, what?
I think I know, I don't actually

1025
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,360
know, right?
And I.

1026
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,360
Know right, that's, that's,
that's called life.

1027
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,320
I, I refuse to be a part of the
negativity.

1028
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,560
I, I have to, you know, I have
to call a spade a spade.

1029
01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,560
Like, I'm not going to pretend
that, you know, there aren't

1030
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:45,040
some bad actors out there or
some things that we need to stay

1031
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,800
away from, But I also know that
there's a really loving

1032
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,600
community of, of people who are
just trying to do their best.

1033
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,760
Let's find each other and be
kind.

1034
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:58,040
There's plenty of room in this
space.

1035
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:01,440
You know, people asking, well,
since you guys started your

1036
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,040
business, you know, there's a
lot of lot of companies now that

1037
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,760
are, that are trying to use
crowded seeds.

1038
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:13,280
And I'm like, can we be so
numerous that we push the

1039
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,200
kibble, the crappy kibble right
out of the market?

1040
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,760
Can we do that?
Wouldn't that be amazing?

1041
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,320
It would be.
Yeah, your collaboration that

1042
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:30,720
that is quote, I don't know who
said it, but I often pull it up

1043
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,800
and look at it because it it
says that when collaboration is

1044
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,320
at the top, competition is at
the bottom, collaboration is at

1045
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,240
the top.
And that is exactly where I want

1046
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,800
my mindset to be.
And that's where we want

1047
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,600
everybody I talk to that their
mindset is as well because it,

1048
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,520
there is no making change if
everybody is just in competition

1049
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:53,320
with each other.
That's right.

1050
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,080
Let's learn from each other.
Great.

1051
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:57,960
There you go.
I'm excited.

1052
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,120
This was such an uplifting talk,
thank you so much.

1053
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,000
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so glad we actually got to

1054
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,360
know each other in Vegas.
Yes, me too, and I hope we get

1055
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:14,240
to do more together and I am so
excited to again get this

1056
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,440
episode out and actually have a
more versatile shelf stable

1057
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,600
product to to be able to
recommend to people.

1058
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,360
And I'm just I'm so in awe of
you for everything you've done

1059
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:28,480
and all of the paths that you
have created for just in the

1060
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,480
healthy pet space.
But for women, like that's a big

1061
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,040
thing.
It's, it's they really like, if

1062
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:35,560
you're not a woman, you don't
understand.

1063
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,640
But but I think most of our most
of our listeners are women, so

1064
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,640
they all get it.
Yep, Yep, Yep.

1065
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,040
I'm very happy to do that too.
I love going to the shows now

1066
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,760
and looking around and all the
entrepreneurs who are women and

1067
01:02:48,760 --> 01:02:51,960
I, Yep, when I was in my 20s,
this was not the case.

1068
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,040
But we we've come a long way.
Awesome.

1069
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,680
Well, thank you so much.
And where can people find you

1070
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,240
can follow you on social media?
And then I guess Indy pet

1071
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,760
stores, like if an Indy pet
store doesn't carry it, please

1072
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,640
ask them.
They can order it for you kind

1073
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,320
of thing.
Then we have distribution all

1074
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,600
across the US and Canada and
elsewhere and they just have to

1075
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,400
ask for carnivore and every pet
store will know where to get it.

1076
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,400
And, and we like I said, we are
not like we're not a grocery

1077
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,840
store brand.
We are an independent pet

1078
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:25,200
retailers, small chains.
That's where we we really enjoy

1079
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:29,200
being with pet own pet store
owners that have a knowledge of

1080
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,360
what they carry in their stores,
right?

1081
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,760
That's that's our goal and you
can go to our website and

1082
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,080
there's a ton of information on
our website.

1083
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:41,440
It's, we're revamping it.
So keep your eyes peeled over

1084
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,360
the next few months.
You're going to see a really

1085
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:45,800
beautiful new redesign.
And we're going to simplify the

1086
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,400
information because over the
years I've added this article

1087
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,880
and added that article and you
could spend days on my website

1088
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,360
learning about natural rearing.
So go to my website,

1089
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:59,840
justcarnivore.com, and you'll
see all kinds of articles and

1090
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,360
information and every piece of
information you could possibly

1091
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:07,520
want on all of our recipes.
And, and like I said, stay tuned

1092
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,200
because we're going to have even
more information, but in a more

1093
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:15,120
organized form coming soon.
And yeah, social, Facebook,

1094
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:16,960
Instagram, the whole thing,
YouTube.

1095
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:21,520
Yeah, I also will e-mail you and
ask you about the OR.

1096
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,880
I'll try to find the link to the
homeopathy course on Dogs

1097
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:27,120
Naturally so I can include it in
the show notes if people are

1098
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,960
interested.
Absolutely.

1099
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,000
That's well.
Thank.

1100
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,600
Thank you again, Maria.
And guys, thank you for being

1101
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:36,480
here.
Thank you for listening.

1102
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,360
I know that sometimes we talk
about the same things over and

1103
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,280
over, and that's because it is
so important.

1104
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,760
And I appreciate you for being
here.

1105
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:49,320
And I will see or hear.
Maybe you'll hear from me next

1106
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:50,840
week, depending on where you're
listening to this.

1107
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,960
And please give your pets some
extra love from me and Maria

1108
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,120
this week.
You bet.

1109
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,200
Bye guys.
Bye.