168. The Shocking Truth About Prescription Pet Food

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It wasn't too long ago that I
brought you an interview with

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Doctor Chris Besant, who is an
integrative veterinarian.

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She created the Herb Smith
blind, so she is very into

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traditional Chinese medicine and
how herbs can help the body.

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Chinese herbs is what she works
with.

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She also created the Simple Food
Project and Medicus veterinary

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diets and we had her on the Pet
Health Junkies podcast.

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Now I know that a lot more
people listen to this podcast,

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the Pet parenting reset, then do
Pet Health Junkies.

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There's going to be some
overlap, but this was such an

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incredible interview.
We had so many amazing like

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Nuggets of information that I
want to make sure that everybody

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possible gets to hear it.
So we talked mainly about

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veterinary diet.
So we were talking about Medicus

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veterinary diet, but we really
get into the why We really get

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into, OK, your veterinarian,
your traditional veterinarian,

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Western veterinarian is saying
your animal has XYZ disease or

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whatever is going on and they
need to be on this prescription

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food that generally they sell
right there in the office and

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it's very expensive.
Often times, as I mentioned in

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the podcast, often times the
ingredient panel on these

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prescription or veterinary diets
is way worse than whatever ultra

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processed food you're feeding.
And Oh my goodness, if you

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happen to be one of those people
who's feeding an amazing,

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beautiful, species appropriate
diet, whether that's gently

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cooked or raw, and then your
veterinarian says, no, your pet

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needs to be on this prescription
diet.

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You have to be looking at those
ingredient panels going.

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What in the world do you really
like scratching your head?

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But at the same time, there's so
much fear involved, right?

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You're so where I've been there
so worried that you're going to

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do something wrong and make
things worse.

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So we talk about all of that.
We talk and this is such an

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important conversation for so
many people because, and again,

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I say this in the in the
interview with Doctor Besant,

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more times than not, if we have
a pet that's on an ultra

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processed food that that's the
primary, that's the base of

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their diet, they're on this
ultra processed food.

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Just by transitioning them to a
fresh food diet, a species

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appropriate diet, whether again
whether that's gently cooked or

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whether that's raw, we can see
huge improvements in health and

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disease states, sometimes
completely reversing them.

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Granted, I'm not saying that
that's always going to happen,

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but sometimes it does.
Food is medicine and food is

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that powerful.
So yes, there could be sometimes

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when a disease state is so
advanced that we do need to make

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nutritional adjustments.
And so that's where things like

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the Medicus veterinary diets can
come into play.

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And again, we talked about using
them for the period of time that

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we need to use them for and not
longer because they are

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nutritionally different from
what we often think of as

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species appropriate, as
biologically appropriate for our

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dogs or our cats.
So I'm going to wind this up and

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play this interview for you with
Doctor Chris Besson.

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Again, it's myself.
It's Janet Chesorini, who owns

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my local indie pet store,
Popology, Pam Russell from

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Perfectly Holistic, both really
good friends of mine.

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We do the Pet Health Junkies
podcast sometimes here and

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there, obviously not as
routinely as I do this podcast,

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this one, you get an episode
every single week.

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But because of that, I wanted to
make sure that you're getting

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this.
This is.

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I have done.
So many incredible interviews

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and I have gotten so many
Nuggets of wisdom from so many

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people and this one I think
packs a punch in a different way

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that can really, I mean really
get to not just you and me as

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two point O pet parents, right?
Like we may already know a lot

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of this with the average pet
parent who's just learning or

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who doesn't even know there's a
whole other world out there.

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So I would really encourage you
to share this interview with

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anybody that you know whose pet
is one or being recommended one

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of these veterinary or
prescription.

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Diets, this is.
This can be a game changer.

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I truly believe that this one
interview could actually bring

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people over and help them
understand how important food

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is, and hopefully they start
realizing it for themselves too.

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But we're going to, we're going
to start somewhere, right?

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Whether we start with them,
whether we start with their

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pets, we are, to me, like this
is my charge in life, is to wake

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people up to the reality of our
society today.

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It is grim.
It is not OK.

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And we have the power to change
it.

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So let's get right in to this
episode with Doctor Chris

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Besant.
She again had already been on

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the pet parenting reset.
If this happens to be the first

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time you are listening to me and
you're like, who is this lady?

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And my name is Jessica.
I am a certified canine

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nutritionist.
I'm also a certified raw

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nutrition expert for both dogs
and cats and a holistic pet

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health coach.
I could not be happier to bring

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this information to you every
week.

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It it it is what gives me joy in
life.

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And I hope that if you have not
already followed the podcast

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that you do so today.
And please reach out to me on

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social media.
Instagram is my favorite place

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to be.
And let me know if any of these

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episodes have impacted you,
including today's, because that

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just literally makes my day.
And I will share it.

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And it just makes my day.
So Doctor Chris Bessett.

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Welcome back pet parent.
I One of the things that I see

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so often that not only breaks my
heart but I will admit I have

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gotten to the point where it
angers me as well is that and I

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literally had a client e-mail me
this week.

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She had to take her cat to the
vet and he had crystals and his

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urine and wasn't urinating as
often as she would like.

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Took him to the emergency vet
and I felt like my heart sunk

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because I've literally been in
that exact same place with a cat

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who was blocked and the vet
staff were telling her that if

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she did not put her cat on that
prescription urinary kibble that

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her cat was going to die.
And I have been in that exact

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same place and I know so many
other people with so many other

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things going on with their pets.
Their veterinarian is telling

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them you have to have your pet
on this exact prescription

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kibble for whatever is going on.
And you feel like if you don't

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do it, you're killing your pet.
And the reality is, in my

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opinion, that's not true.
Often times if we are already

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feeding the kibble, switching to
a whole fresh food diet can be

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enough.
But there are also cases where

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adjusting the diet slightly
based on whatever your pet is

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going through, whether it is
cancer, whether it's urinary

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problems, what it whatever it
may be, can be beneficial.

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But at the same time, those RX
kibbles, the prescription, the

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veterinary diets, whatever they
may be called depending on the

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brand that you're a veterinarian
sells, they're not really good

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food like they're often times if
you look at that label compared

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to the label of the food you
were feeding prior to diagnosis.

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Is a lot worse.
In a lot of cases.

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And so Pam with perfectly
holistic Janet Chesorini with

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Pap Ology and I we are your pet
health junkies podcast.

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We are so excited to bring
doctor Chris Besant to you today

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because she is not only has been
working decades as a

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veterinarian, she is the found
creator and founder of Herb

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Smith.
She also has the simple food

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project and what we're going to
be talking about a lot today is

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the Medicus veterinary diets
that she has created.

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And I know that was painstaking
for her, but she did it all with

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Whole Foods.
And so thank you so much for

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being here with us today, Doctor
Bessett.

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Yeah, absolutely.
It's such a great opportunity

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because I think your story is so
common and I think that all the

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podcasters and the wonderful
companies out there that are

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really promoting fresh food and
real food and raw food have done

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such a great job on supporting
health and Wellness.

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But then what happens is if that
pet gets sick, So let's say it's

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a Kitty that has a bladder
issue.

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All of a sudden all that they
all that, that pet parent has

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learned how to get thrown out
the window because you're so

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afraid.
So when your vet says you need

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to to use this kibble, urinary
kibble, you know in your heart

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when you read the ingredient
deck, you would have never

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touched that food.
You would have never fed that

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food any other time.
But you're scared and you trust

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your veterinarian and, and you
find yourself walking out of the

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vet clinic with this bag of CD
that is nothing that you would

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normally have fed.
And I look at it as taking your

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plane of nutrition from really
good down to terrible.

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That's the last thing that that
animal needs.

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This is when they're sick.
That's when they need a whole

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food, fresh food, real food more
than ever is when they're ill.

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And unfortunately, and, and God
bless veterinarians, it's the

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only tool that they have.
And I would say that it's easy

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for us to villainize the big pet
food that produces like Science

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Diet and those sort of things.
But I would say that Mark

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Morris, who started Science Diet
and the Hills Diet, in the

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beginning, he was revolutionary.
You know, in the beginning, he

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was one of the few veterinarians
that said that food matters.

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Unfortunately, what's happened
is, is they've gone from using

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good ingredients to the absolute
worst ingredients.

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And so the the idea that you
need to modify nutrients

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according to their disease is
really important and has been

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well proven to minimize the
mortality of those pets.

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But I say, I come in now and I
say we need to do it with fresh

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whole food, that we need to do
the same thing that we've done

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to support health, health and
Wellness on a daily basis to

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dogs that are thriving and doing
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And we even more importantly
need to do it when they're sick.

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And when they're sick, you
absolutely can do the exact same

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thing that the prescription
kibble diets do, but you can do

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it with whole food.
So when we go through the diets

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today, you'll see that they're
not always species appropriate

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and they're not always feces
appropriate because it's more

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about the disease or the
disharmony or the imbalance or

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issues that that animal has.
So for example, kidney, the

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kidney diet has rice in it,
which normally all of us would

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be like, that's horrible, why do
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Dogs have no requirement for
rice, but what they do have is

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in kidney disease you can't
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the system, so you need to feed
a lower phosphorus diet.

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Unfortunately, meat is has the
highest content of phosphorus.

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So if you're trying to reduce
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you can't go with a species
appropriate diet of higher meat

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content.
Seventy, 8090% meat because then

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you're really high in
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So what we did is we added
enough rice to drop the

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phosphorus, phosphorus level
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But then even further we added
phosphorus binders to the diet.

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So the cool part is we know that
a dog or cat's kidney can't

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process phosphorus as well as it
would if it was healthy.

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So there's two ways of going
about it, decreasing the

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phosphorus in their blood.
One is by the amount that we

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feed in their diet, so that
hence we added some rice to it

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to decrease the phosphorus
because meat is so high in

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phosphorus.
But then we added ketosin and

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ground eggshell, calcium
carbonate as a phosphorus

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binder.
So what they eat, a lot of the

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phosphorus stays in the gut and
is excreted with the stool.

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So kind of you know, but we were
able to do it with whole food.

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We were able to do it with
chicken and with beef and with

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organ meats.
And we did have to add some

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grains to it, but very healthy,
wholesome, easily digestible

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grains.
And then we added some things

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that like kidney patients are
constantly drinking and

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urinating, so they lose a lot of
phosphorus and they lose a lot

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of B vitamins.
So we added those so that as

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they were losing more, we could
increase the amount that they

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consume every day and make them
feel better in the long run.

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So it's it was still using all
the same principles of nutrient

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adjustment based on their
disease, but do it with whole

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food.
And that was the kicker.

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And then we put it in a freeze
dried base and a freeze dried

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format so that we could preserve
97% of all the nutrients of

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Whole Foods.
I have a question for you, is

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the cat medicus diet the same as
the dog?

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Isn't it is geared more towards
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So it's as high as meat content
as I could get, still being able

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to control the phosphorus level.
And then we did add the ketosin.

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We added more salt to the diet.
And that that's a bit of a of a

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complaint of some people that
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and in a kidney that can't
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But what we found is that if you
have no sodium in it, cats will

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refuse to eat it, eat it.
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parents in my veterinary

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practice would say my cat won't
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So then they went back to the
regular diet, which is kind of

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throwing the baby out with the
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So we needed to make sure that
it was a little more palatable

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for fussy kitties.
So it's a little higher in

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sodium.
But I would also say if you go

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to the solid research behind it,
the idea of lower sodium in a

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kidney patient really comes from
human kidney evaluations, not

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really from any research that
supports it for cats or for

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dogs.
So there's little tweaks that

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are more about the different
species between cat and dog.

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Does the.
Feline diet have the grains in

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it to you take.
It OK?

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Yep.
It does a little bit.

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Let's have some.
Rice in it because we had to to

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bring this.
Holy you guys will appreciate

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this.
I literally remember the moment

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that I had tried every iteration
to get phosphorus to a lower

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levels.
I mean, we, no, no exaggeration,

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we probably spent over $100,000
in testing to make sure that we

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could get it as close to the
ideal as possible.

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And I remember having like 5
different iterations to try to,

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OK, let's go with meats that are
low in phosphorus, Let's go with

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fruits and vegetables that are
lower in phosphorus.

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Let's do more phosphorus
binders, all of these things.

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But I could never get the
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reasonable level until I added
rice and it was like this, It

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was like this balloon, just
worse.

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I was like, I can't believe I'm
going to have to do this.

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But nutrients really matter,
especially when you have a organ

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that's not functioning properly.
So for kidney disease, it was

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super, super important.
Even though, you know, when we

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first came out with it, we would
get lots of comments like, I

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would never feed it to my cat.
Yeah, if your cat is healthy, do

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not feed it to your cat.
Some of them are by

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prescription.
And the kidney, both kidney for

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dog and kidney for cat are by
prescription.

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And why are they, because
they're not EFCO balanced.

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They're not.
They're, they're made to be

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unbalanced because that dog,
that dog or cat is not

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functioning as a balanced
individual.

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It's made for their
shortcomings.

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But some of our foods like the
cancer diet that Janet's used,

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the cancer diet is not about
restriction.

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It's the opposite.
It's about flooding the body

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with so many antioxidants and
healthy omega-3 fatty acids and

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clean, healthy meats as well as
really low carbohydrate.

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So it's almost ketogenic.
And so it's feeding the pet, but

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not feeding the cancer.
So most of our diets are more

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like that.
They're more about super clean,

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healthy ingredients in the right
proportions to support the body

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rather than restriction.
The, the three that are by

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prescription only are the
kidney, the two kidney diets and

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the bladder diet, because
they're not AFCO balanced,

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because they are geared towards
an animal that is having an

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issue.
But I think another component of

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the medicus diets is the idea
that it's not for life.

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You know, hasn't it become that
way?

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Like we've seen cats with
bladder issues once they go on

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CD diet, they stay on it for the
rest of their their lives.

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That's not how it's supposed to
be.

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No, thank you.
For saying that even.

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On the packaging, yeah.
That's what I was actually going

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to ask you about because one of
the things that I've learned, if

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we take it back to the kidney
diet, which seems to be the most

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controversial at the moment, one
of the things that I've learned

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is that I don't generally
speaking, want to put an animal

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on a quote, UN quote kidney diet
until I absolutely have to like

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stage 4 CKD kind of thing.
Because it is lower in protein

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and our dogs and our cats just
aren't made to survive on a low

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protein diet.
But what I'm hearing you say is

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that if we catch it early
enough, we know something's

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going on.
We can actually use this whole

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food medicus diet, work on
bringing the kidney back into

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balance and then being able to
transition them back to a

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species appropriate diet.
Is that what I'm understanding?

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Yes, absolutely.
So yes, if the, if that Kitty

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has stage 4 end stage kidney
disease, he's going to be on it

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for the rest of his life.
But there's so many animals that

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it's just starting, you know
that, that the, the blood

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parameters are just a little bit
off.

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OK, well let's use the kidney
diet for six weeks, 8 weeks,

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give the kidney a break and so
that it can heal.

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Once it heals, then let's start
transitioning back to a species

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appropriate diet.
It kind of goes to why are so

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many, so many of these issues so
rampant in our society and

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kidney disease is so rampant in
kiddies because they're

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chronically dehydrated.
Help the kidney lighten the load

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with medicus kidney diets and
then keep adding moisture to

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their diet and getting them back
in order again.

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Get to the root of why they have
this problem.

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Then they shouldn't be on it for
the rest of their life.

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They should be on it when they
need it.

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And then hopefully now let's
transition them to a healthier,

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cleaner diet that is more
species appropriate.

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And that is a big deal.
Like we've seen that in in the

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bladder diets, for example, it
used to be struvites are when

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the pH is too high and oxalates
are when the pH is too low.

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And so when CD diet came around,
everybody started using it,

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which which brings the pH down,
which is great for struvite

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crystals.
But what it did is it changed

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the population.
And so now it's 50% oxalate

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stones and 50% struvite stones.
And you could say, well, how did

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that happen?
Well, it was veterinary induced

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because we just Willy nilly
across the board, your Kitty has

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crystals, he's blocked, you
absolutely need to be on CD and

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you're just going to stay on it
for the rest of your life.

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That was over treatment.
So now it it took the pH of the

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urine and made it lower, which
was initially great, but then it

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lended itself to oxalate stones.
So what we're seeing now is the

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population of bladder
disharmonies are different.

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It used to be all strobite.
Now it's half strobite and half

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oxalate.
Only because we overdid it.

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And in veterinary medicine it's
called idiopathic.

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And idiopathic is just a fancy
word for idiots.

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Like we overdid it.
We overdid it, or you could say

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iatrogenic.
And iatrogenic is another fancy

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word in veterinary medicine to
mean veterinarian induced.

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So if you if you gave too many
steroids, you would blow out

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their liver and so you would
call it iatrogenic hepatitis.

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Well, yeah, it's basically just
a fancy word for it.

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Caused by the medicine, caused
by the doctor.

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I know that's what I think of
every time somebody's like, my

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dog's been on Apoquel for three
years and now they have cancer.

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Got it.
Yeah.

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There is a better way.
There's so many other things

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that we can do and and you know,
and back to the God bless

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veterinarians because that's the
tool that they had.

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This is a new tool.
So this is a tool that if you if

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you look at our formulas, the
ingredient decks read beautiful.

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So it's it's chicken and chicken
liver and chicken hearts and egg

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and pumpkin and it's all food
that you understand versus

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comparing it to prescription
tibble that is soy and corn and

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wheat gluten meal and salad,
cellulose tree bar.

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Exactly.
You can get to the same nutrient

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profile but doing it with really
good food.

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Do you know?
If the kidneys regenerate just

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like all of our other organs in
our skin and that you know, our,

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our bodies rejuvenate, all the
cells regrow, you know, within a

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certain, I don't know if it's
weeks, days, years, whatever,

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but pets too, I would assume
right?

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Yes.
So is does the does the kidneys?

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Do the kidneys regenerate as
well?

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Like all the other organs of the
body, they.

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Don't, unfortunately.
They don't OK the kidney.

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Is such an amazing organ because
it's the ultimate filter like I

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look back I look at my vacuum
cleaner how many times is your

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filter fabulous.
Now imagine if that was in your

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body every minute of every day
you're having you know 60 beats

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per minute of blood passing
through this filter and it's

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being filtered so that the
filter itself can be damaged and

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is damaged then it's scarred and
that's when you start to get to

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stage 4 where it's irreversible.
Here's what I would say is in

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the beginning when you start
using a kidney diet or kidney

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herbs or anything like that,
what you're doing is bringing

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down the inflammation to that
filter.

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And most of the time, I would
say probably 70% of the time,

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that's really what you're doing
is bringing down the

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inflammation of that filter.
So now it can function well,

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again, lightening the load on
it.

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But if it's been going on for
too long and too severe, that's

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when you get scarring and in
literally the kidney will become

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smaller and filled with fibrotic
tissue and have less filter to

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be able to filter the blood.
And that's when we need to

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intervene with the right amount
of nutrients.

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That's when I say, OK, we need
to decrease the phosphorus level

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because because they cannot
bring phosphorus down on their

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own.
And, and I think that we really

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need to appreciate and
understand that changing the

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nutrient profile for an animal
who's sick.

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So when I say nutrients, I'm
talking like phosphorus, sodium,

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calcium, all of those sorts of
things that we need to adjust

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them to lighten the load on the
body so that the body can heal

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so that that inflammation can
start to come down.

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Like a big thing for kidney
disease is omega-3 fatty acids.

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It is huge.
You could go back to all the

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research and there's crazy
amounts of beautiful published

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data on how important omega-3
fatty acids are in supporting

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the health of the tissue of the
kidney.

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And, and unfortunately, what
happens is when this filter

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starts to get blocked or clogged
or inflamed, slowly but surely

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it starts to scar.
And as it scars, now the body

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can't push as much blood through
per minute.

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Now you start to get high blood
pressure.

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And, and then it's this vicious
cycle.

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If you're, if the blood pressure
starts to rise in that Kitty,

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now you're bombarding that
delicate filter over and over

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and over again.
And it's just this downhill

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spiral and that's where we
really need to intervene.

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Do you have anything Janet or?
Nope, I am just being a healthy

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sponge and absorbing it all.
The the vacuum filter analogy in

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in the store.
In the shop, we always use a

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sponge.
How it it shrinks and it just

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gets hard and it just doesn't
work as efficiently anymore.

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And no, I'm tracking with
everything that you say and

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secretly wishing that our
veterinary community locally,

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globally would.
Would.

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Really just start to look and
learn, you know, things

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differently, going back to even
reading the labels.

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You know, you go to see your
veterinarian and as you said,

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Doctor Besson, which is so true.
And I think sometimes we forget

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that they use the tools that
they have just like our human

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doctors do.
And you know, Once Upon a time,

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I was that pet parent that I did
everything that my traditional

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veterinarian told me to do.
I agree.

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And I'm so glad you brought up
the whole point about not being

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on these prescription diets for
a long time, whether it's yours

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or whether it's the veterinary
diet or whatever.

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Because some of those diets are
not complete in balance.

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So your pet is going to end up
being nutritionally incomplete.

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And that can cause a whole
nother host of problems if

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they're on this flight.
But so many vets tell their

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their clients, you're going to
your cat's going to have to be

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on this for his life.
I don't know if they're just

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they're just an idiot or if they
don't read or all the above.

448
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,600
I don't know only.
It's the only tool they have.

449
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,760
So that brings up a really great
point that Janet talked about.

450
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:19,240
If they're feeding a poor
quality diet that's dry, filled

451
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:26,200
with carcinogens, lots and lots
of magnesium and phosphorus, and

452
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,840
so really laden with high
content of minerals.

453
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,440
So once you go to something like
Medicus or even a prescription

454
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,880
diet, you don't go back to that
bad diet.

455
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,880
The next step is you.
Now you go to a species

456
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,360
appropriate diet.
And so if you went from a

457
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,320
veterinary perspective, they
recommend CD.

458
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,680
You go on CD, your cat knows
better and they can't really

459
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,960
send them back to the poor
quality diet they were on before

460
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,960
and maybe they don't know
anything more to get them to a

461
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,760
species appropriate healthy
whole food diet.

462
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,000
And in veterinary practice,
patient, a patient comes in and

463
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,520
they have to have a complaint.
So why are you bringing your cat

464
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,320
or your dog in?
And then that logically

465
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,520
speaking, that's that vet's
mission is to fix that problem.

466
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:30,440
And so very seldom are vets
doing health and Wellness.

467
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,240
They're not.
We don't.

468
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,280
We fix disease, we fix.
We have to fix a problem.

469
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,520
Yeah.
Yeah.

470
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,000
That's why I love pet health
consultants because a pet health

471
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:48,280
coach can teach you about health
and Wellness and supporting it

472
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,800
and making changes with herbs or
the right products like Janet's

473
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:57,960
doing long before it gets to the
point that you have to have a

474
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,320
prescription diet or they're
they're going to continue down

475
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,760
this downward spiral.
So I think that's where that's

476
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,160
why I totally support the health
Wellness coaches because we need

477
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,480
it.
Like who's out there doing it

478
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,920
head short Mark.
But unfortunately with the pet

479
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,600
store, people think you're just
trying to sell them something

480
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,640
instead of saying, I'm not
trying to sell you something,

481
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,320
I'm trying to teach you
something and I'm providing the

482
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,200
solution to your problem.
And so the more of us that are

483
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,120
out there saying there's other
options, and here's the other

484
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,400
option, the more pet parents are
going to do it.

485
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,400
And all pet parents want is
their animal to be healthy.

486
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,440
You know, they don't want to
start a door, they don't start a

487
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,640
podcast.
They just want their their

488
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,600
animal to be healthy.
And so luckily with more

489
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,240
fabulous stores, with more pet
health coaches, we can get more

490
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,680
people out there that can help
direct them in the right

491
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,240
direction.
And if your vet is of any

492
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,160
substance, they should applaud
that.

493
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,840
They should be thrilled with
that because it they fix the

494
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,880
disease.
OK, well, now you support health

495
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,160
and Wellness because that's not
something that veterinarians are

496
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,080
really taught to do.
Veterinarians are focused on

497
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,840
fixing the disease either with
really strong medicine that has

498
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,080
lots of side effects or with
surgery, which has all its own

499
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,080
complications.
And I believe like you guys do,

500
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:39,040
we could support animals 98% of
their life with healthy food and

501
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,720
the right lifestyle changes and
using herbs and using more

502
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,960
gentle things.
And then when we need the big

503
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,000
guns, great, we got it.
And what I found is when you

504
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,240
need the big, the big guns, if
you've been feeding them right

505
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,480
and doing all the right things,
if they need epiquel or they

506
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:03,240
need something else, it would be
very short lived, just enough to

507
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,640
help that animal kind of point
them in the right direction.

508
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,080
And then you continue on with
health and Wellness rather than

509
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,440
going down this path where
you're always staying on these

510
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,280
big drugs until the big drugs
are worse than the worse than

511
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,600
the absolutely so.
Something that Pam brought up

512
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:28,719
and maybe we can kind of segue a
little bit into the the cancer

513
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,080
diet with this.
But I think this is also one of

514
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,120
the reasons that I'm such a big
believer in the idea that if we

515
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,679
have an animal on a highly
processed food that often times

516
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:47,040
just by transitioning them to a
species appropriate diet, we

517
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,080
can.
We're, we're giving the body

518
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,760
room to breathe, to function in
the way that it's supposed to

519
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,719
function and do what it does
best and heal itself.

520
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,280
And one of the things that I
mentioned Pam had kind of

521
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,600
brought up is that when we look
at these highly processed diets,

522
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,680
what we generally call kibble,
though I'm still shocked that

523
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,040
there are still so many people
out there that hear the word

524
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,040
kibble and they think that's a
brand and they're not feeding

525
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,400
that brand.
But the fact that the

526
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,160
ingredients that these highly
ultra processed foods are using

527
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:28,600
are so poor and they are so
laden with toxins with

528
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,080
pesticides and herbicides with.
Ade.

529
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:38,560
Yes, with all of these things
that just by like we can't even

530
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,560
if we're going to, you know,
prescription kibble, we're still

531
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,760
getting these really poor
quality ingredients with all of

532
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,920
these herbicides and pesticides
and toxins and chemicals that

533
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,680
we're not giving the body the
space that it needs to be able

534
00:35:54,680 --> 00:36:00,720
to function properly.
Moving on to, you know, even if

535
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,360
you're you do feel like or
you're veterinarian feels like

536
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,240
they do need a nutrient
adjustment, moving on to a diet

537
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:11,600
like Medicus, you're going to
get the best, best of both

538
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,200
worlds.
Basically, you're removing all

539
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,600
of these pesticides, herbicides,
all these toxins that are

540
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,440
weighing the body down and
you're getting that nutrient

541
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,040
adjustment that hopefully you
only need for a short period of

542
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,440
time.
So if if you want to, you know,

543
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,160
speak on that, any of that would
be great.

544
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,320
But I think that could also be a
really great segue into the

545
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,040
cancer diet because even though
I think it's true with any and

546
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,200
everything going on with our
pets, everybody freaks out over

547
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,280
the C word.
And that is one of the like

548
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,240
most, I think for most people is
like the biggest aha moment that

549
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:51,440
they could have even more so
than oh, your cat has kidney

550
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,520
disease or you know, you're
whatever is going on getting

551
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,480
that diagnosis of cancer.
That's when people are really

552
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,960
like, now I need to realize I
need to remove the toxins.

553
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,320
I need to remove all the other
things.

554
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,080
So if you want to talk a little
bit about that.

555
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:12,480
Yeah, absolutely.
So the cancer diets are all the

556
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,800
medicines.
Diets are really clean, so if I

557
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,960
get off track, take me back to
cancer.

558
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,000
I can tell you that we use the
cleanest of proteins, but I'd

559
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,720
rather show you with numbers.
And so you can look up our

560
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:31,360
biogenic amines.
And biogenic amines are amazing.

561
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,200
Do you guys know anything about
that?

562
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,960
Have you heard of it?
Now, heterocyclic amines and

563
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,280
I've heard of bad amines, but
this is obviously the good

564
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,680
amines, right?
This is.

565
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:48,320
Biogenic amines are like
putrisin and cardavicin.

566
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:54,560
They're they're the chemicals
that develop in meat as it ages

567
00:37:54,560 --> 00:38:00,520
and spoils.
OK, so you can test is the meat

568
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,360
clean or not clean?
Is it like 4D meat would be

569
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,320
really high in putrisin or
cardavicin?

570
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:16,520
And it would definitely show you
with numbers that that is a poor

571
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,600
quality meat.
And if your animal is then

572
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,360
eating those ingredients, those
are some of the toxic qualities

573
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,800
of the bad meat.
So all of our meats have really

574
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,960
low biogenic means, which means
that they're very healthy and

575
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,840
fresh and clean.
So not only can I tell you it

576
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,720
and reassure you of it, but I
can also even give you the

577
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:45,000
numbers that is quantitative.
So it you don't have to believe

578
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:50,520
me, we can show you the data
that shows it's really high

579
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,480
quality meat and that is a
really big deal.

580
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,760
And I think that the reason you
haven't heard of biogenic amines

581
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,960
and it's not really talked about
very much because if you tested

582
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,200
kibble for biogenic amines, how
bad would they be?

583
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,640
They would be terrible.
What is meat meal?

584
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:16,760
Meat meal is rendered meat from
dead down, disease, dying,

585
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,120
rejected.
Meat that would not be fed to

586
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,120
humans because it's sore, poor
quality, but totally acceptable

587
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,080
for pet food and so biogenic
amines would.

588
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,800
If we tested biogenic amines and
all of our pet food, it would

589
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,000
change the world because that
would be a reflection of the

590
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,440
pores, quality meats that's
being added to that kibble.

591
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,440
Mass kibble that you can buy 50
lbs for 20 bucks.

592
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,920
Yeah, that's poor quality meats.
So not only do all our Medicus

593
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,360
diets have low biogenic means,
but then the cancer diet is

594
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,720
super important because the
cancer diet is.

595
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,240
Really good quality meats so you
start out with a clean wholesome

596
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,880
ingredients.
All of our fruits and vegetables

597
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,360
are organic, so you know they're
of the cleanest quality.

598
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,440
And then we added a tremendous
amount and just flooded that

599
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,640
diet with antioxidants because
what's part of the whole

600
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,960
development of cancer, or you
could also call it metabolic

601
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:35,800
stress on on a pets body is how
much they have to get rid of

602
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,280
antioxidants or get rid of
oxidation free radicals that

603
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,360
developed.
So if we flood them with

604
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,640
antioxidants, we can minimize
how much the immune system has

605
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,680
to fight free radicals so that
it can keep cancer cells and

606
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,800
check.
So part of the cancer diet is

607
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,280
flooding it with really fabulous
antioxidants from so many

608
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:07,000
different sources.
So from lycopene, from tomatoes

609
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,320
and pomegranate and spinach and
broccoli and all these amazing

610
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,520
highly antioxidant laden fruits
and vegetables, but still in a

611
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,720
species appropriate amount.
Even though it's a lot of it,

612
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,240
it's still a small percentage of
the diet, like 10/15/20 percent

613
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,880
of the diet.
And still the majority of the

614
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,160
diet is really good high quality
meats as well as organs.

615
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,040
Then we added high omega-3
content.

616
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:46,680
Then omega-3 is good healthy
fats that are a great way to

617
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,200
decreased carbohydrates by
raising the fat, but we're

618
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:56,440
raising clean fat,
anti-inflammatory fat rather

619
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,520
than fat from inflammatory
sources like seed oils.

620
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:05,040
And then we put almost no
carbohydrates in it.

621
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,560
The only carbohydrate that are
in either one of the cancer

622
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,080
diets, chicken or beef, comes
from the fruits or vegetables

623
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,040
that are in that diet.
So the cancer diets are like

624
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:23,960
3.9% carb and 3.7% carb.
And the whole idea is that dogs

625
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,760
and people, we can live on a
ketogenic diet and produce

626
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,120
ketones to support our brain
health and and our overall

627
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,080
health.
Cancer needs glucose.

628
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:40,120
So if you're feeding a higher
carbohydrate diet, you're

629
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,000
feeding glucose that the body
uses, the cancer uses too.

630
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:49,400
So by going with the ketogenic
diet or a low carbohydrate diet,

631
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,520
you're feeding the pet and not
feeding the cancer.

632
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:58,320
And that's, that's a really a
big, big deal because none of

633
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,520
the, in fact, the, the most
recent Onco diet that just came

634
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:08,880
out from one of the, it's still
like 35 to 40% carbohydrates you

635
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,560
brought.
That up.

636
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,600
That doesn't.
Even sound like a cancer diet to

637
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:13,640
me.
That sounds like a.

638
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Regular, it's a chemical
exactly.

639
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,120
It's the it's the same and and
so you're not really giving them

640
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,520
any advantage.
So that's when you look at our

641
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,800
cancer diet that those are kind
of the basis behind it species

642
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,840
appropriate.
So it is complete and balanced,

643
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,920
flooded with antioxidants.
If they get too much big deal,

644
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,640
they just pee it out and the
body doesn't have to work as

645
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,320
hard.
Ketogenic.

646
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,720
So we're feeding the animal not
the cancer, as well as really

647
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:47,200
high anti-inflammatory oils,
which is fabulous.

648
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,240
And when I when I say almost
ketogenic, the reason that I use

649
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:59,080
that term is true ketogenic
diets are really high in fat and

650
00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:02,320
most dogs will reject that and
cats reject it.

651
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,600
So ours is not as high in fat,
but super low on carbohydrates.

652
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:14,720
So they still get into ketosis,
just not in that kind of fat

653
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:18,720
bomb, sort of really greasy,
icky diet sort of way.

654
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,400
Mike.
Rejected the keto diet.

655
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,640
I tried that in the very
beginning that he wanted no part

656
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,320
of it.
Yep.

657
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,040
Loved.
His gently cooked raw and his

658
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,240
freeze dried.
Yes.

659
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,800
So you also have a in the dog
line, you have a skin health

660
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,200
diet and a sensitive stomach
diet.

661
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,640
And then?
You have a metabolic health diet

662
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,080
in the cat that we haven't
talked about and I know

663
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,160
especially I think I want to say
it is it the sensitive stomach

664
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:57,040
diet that's is that the one that
has the really more novel

665
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,760
proteins in it in diet?
That's still skin diet.

666
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,360
The skin.
Diet is kind of twofold, kind of

667
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,920
threefold.
It's super clean, of course, so

668
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,240
that many times, how many times
do dogs have allergies and

669
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:18,760
always have GI issues with it.
It's almost always linked and in

670
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:25,520
my just kind of speculating, my
speculation is it's the toxicity

671
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,560
or the toxins that are in
standard kibble that is

672
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,160
negatively affecting the gut and
negatively affecting the skin.

673
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:38,800
So our skin diet is super clean,
but then we used Guinea fowl and

674
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,120
bison liver as the protein
sources and then we also added

675
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,320
evening primrose for the
essential GLA.

676
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,720
So we normally think that
omega-3 fatty acids are really

677
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:55,600
wonderful and Omega 6 fatty
acids are fine for calories but

678
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,600
tend to be more pro
inflammatory.

679
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:05,160
Well, GLA is a Omega 6 fatty
acid, but it's really important

680
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,920
for the foundation and the
hydration of skin.

681
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,080
So that's what sets our skin
diet apart.

682
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,560
It's almost like a novel protein
diet, super clean.

683
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,360
But then we added the evening
primrose, so that and krill so

684
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,880
that we could nourish the skin
at its root.

685
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,240
And that's a great diet for it's
not forever.

686
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,400
That is the kind of diet that
you're going to put them on it.

687
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,920
They're going to they're going
to start doing better.

688
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,560
Their skin starts to hydrate the
way it should.

689
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,040
They're healthy and vibrant.
OK, now let's start adding some

690
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,720
healthy things back in.
So we're not going to take them

691
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:48,200
back to the old pupil they were
eating before.

692
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,520
Instead, now we're going to go
to Janet and we're going to talk

693
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:57,640
to her about I want to add some.
So we were on Guinea fowl and

694
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,000
bison liver.
Let's add some beef and see if

695
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,920
they tolerate beef.
And you could add beef in, maybe

696
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:09,800
even as treats, like a pure beef
liver treat or a pure beef

697
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,200
muscle meat treat, and then see
how they do.

698
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,840
No reaction, their skin's still
doing great.

699
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,840
OK, good.
Now let's add another thing.

700
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,920
And so slowly but surely you can
start adding things in to see if

701
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,800
you can take them from the
Medica Skin Diet to Simple Food

702
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,480
Project and salmon.
So you've got really clean beef

703
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,640
and you have salmon as your
omega-3 source that's also wild

704
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,640
caught and really clean.
So now we know we can take them

705
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,680
from the Skin Diet to beef and
salmon of Simple Food Project.

706
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,000
So that's how I would use that
recipe.

707
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,920
And let's say they did have a
reaction.

708
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,080
OK, no problem, we'll write back
on the Medicare skin diet, get

709
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,000
them back under control again.
And now you can check that one's

710
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,600
off the list.
I'm never going to use chicken

711
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,040
again because they're allergic
to chicken.

712
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,080
So that is a tool that you guys
can use or the pet parent can

713
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:14,840
use to try to find a healthy
food that's more their long term

714
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,640
option where the sensitive skin
or the sensitive stomach diet

715
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:24,480
is.
So again, say enough about it.

716
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,560
I mean, every day we get pet
parents sending in saying their

717
00:48:29,720 --> 00:48:33,040
their dog has been, has had a
sensitive stomach their whole

718
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,880
life and they're better than
they've ever been.

719
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,640
What's the secret to the
sensitive skin diet?

720
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,960
Really, really clean food.
That's number one species

721
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:48,040
appropriate and really clean.
But also it's really high in

722
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,840
fiber.
And so it's in soluble fiber and

723
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,280
insoluble fiber.
So it has psyllium in it, it has

724
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,080
pumpkin seeds in it.
It has really high fiber

725
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,800
content, which what does the GI
tract need?

726
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:11,440
The GI tract needs higher fiber,
not as sawdust, powdered,

727
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:21,600
soluble, Yeah, not as garbage,
but real food that gives really

728
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,240
healthy fiber.
And they're going to poop more.

729
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,400
Absolutely.
So when they start the sensitive

730
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,760
stomach diet, their guts are
going to feel well and they're

731
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,040
going to poop a lot.
And that's great.

732
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,000
That's what we want to have
happen.

733
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,600
And then we also added aloe to
it.

734
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,480
And aloe as the herb is just
really soothing to the guts.

735
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:47,760
And then we have spore forming
bacteria in it, so Bacillus

736
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,440
species that is shelf stable for
a long, long time.

737
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,640
And then we added chicory root
as well.

738
00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:02,160
So it's kind of a high fiber
probiotic diet as well as really

739
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,280
soothing with the aloe and the
cinnamon and the ginger.

740
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,240
And I kind of, I kind of said
instead of breaking the

741
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:14,720
sensitive stomach diet into like
this is for IBD and this is for

742
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:19,440
gastritis and this is for
chronic Constipation.

743
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,920
I just said, what is what's the
common denominator here?

744
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:27,280
We need clean food and we need a
high fiber and then we need

745
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,120
things that are going to soothe
and bring down the inflammation

746
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:34,000
of the gut for whatever reason
it's happening.

747
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,720
Those are the things that are
going to fix it.

748
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,520
And it's and it's really holding
true.

749
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:45,120
I mean, pet parents nonstop tell
us how wonderful the sensitive

750
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,880
stomach diet is.
And then the bland diet is

751
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,920
literally just beef and rice,
but it's really wonderful grass

752
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,880
fed beef and then some herbs in
it that calm the stomach.

753
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,000
And that is for like if they
have a flare up.

754
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,560
So if they have an acute
pancreatic episode, go with the

755
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:08,280
bland diet, you're going to do
that for 3-4 days, get them back

756
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,080
under control again and then go
to the sensitive stomach diet.

757
00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:18,160
And the the bland diet is not
complete and balanced does not

758
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,920
need a prescription because it's
geared towards just short term

759
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,000
use, not long term use.
Right.

760
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,640
That's one of the things that
I'm kind of glad you brought it

761
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,160
up, though I'm probably going to
reframe in a little bit.

762
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,680
I am very.
I.

763
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,160
Love, love, love.
When people take their pets

764
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:43,680
health into their own hands,
they realize I can do this and

765
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,640
they start making their own pet
food.

766
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,720
They do the research to balance
it out.

767
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,120
They do all the things or they,
you know, hire somebody to

768
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,320
provide them balanced recipes,
all the things.

769
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,640
I think that is absolutely
wonderful.

770
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,320
However, what we buy at the
grocery store oftentimes even

771
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,880
like what we're feeding
ourselves is not super high

772
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,920
quality.
We're buying, you know, lot, you

773
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,080
know, the industrial raised
cattle meat where you know it's

774
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:15,760
just not as healthy as, you
know, a grass fed grass finished

775
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:20,000
steak or a free range chicken.
You know that a chicken is

776
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:24,400
actually living outside eating
all of the worms and bugs that

777
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,600
it wants to eat.
And it can do all the things

778
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,200
like what we're buying most of
the time in our grocery stores

779
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,120
for us and for our pets still
isn't very clean.

780
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,800
So when we especially when we
have a pet that has started

781
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,680
developing issues, we do I think
just need to be that much more

782
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:48,400
aware of the quality of the
ingredients of the food.

783
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,240
And I'm so I'm really glad, glad
you keep bringing up the quality

784
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,360
of the ingredients because I
think that can be a linchpin.

785
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,840
And like, you think you're doing
everything right.

786
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,560
You think you're feeding all,
you know, a species appropriate

787
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,440
diet.
You're doing all the things.

788
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,520
But it's not high quality food.
It's not organic, it's not grass

789
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,480
fed, grass finished.
It's, you know, all the, all the

790
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,880
things that really can make a
huge difference in a disease

791
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,000
state.
Yeah.

792
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:21,960
I agree.
I mean like the bone broth from

793
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,960
the grocery store, which is full
of so much salt.

794
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:33,600
Conservatives salt, sugar, which
is as we all know is great

795
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,160
quote, UN quote.
I'm doing air quotes.

796
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,200
You know, not great for
congestive issues for allergies,

797
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,160
Sir.
But sugar, salt, onion, onion is

798
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,840
a big one.
We had this conversation 2 days

799
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,080
ago Monday.
And you know, I'm adding are you

800
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,360
adding moisture because we're
buying dry food.

801
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,920
I buy the broth from the grocery
store of the street and I used

802
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:03,480
to have it my counter, an actual
box of it and I had circled all

803
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:09,400
the ingredients that were not in
their pets best interest.

804
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,040
And and that's what we're
talking about on this podcast,

805
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:17,440
not just today, but all the time
is about what we want your pet

806
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,200
to be the most healthy that they
can be.

807
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,160
And the information that is
being shared with our pet

808
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:29,000
parents is strictly for that
purpose to be a voice for them

809
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,400
and everything matters.
Just as we're hearing you say,

810
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,160
Doctor Besson, about you keep
repeating if people haven't

811
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:41,280
caught you keep saying clean
food, clean food.

812
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,080
And that's what Jessica was
circling back to.

813
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:50,440
Because you know, I can go to
Costco and I can buy 15 lbs of

814
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:56,000
meat for $15.00 to feed myself
or to put in a, in a boiling pot

815
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,000
of water to stick on top of my
pets food.

816
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,280
But I'm sorry, there's a reason
that that meat is a dollar a

817
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:06,160
pound.
There's a reason that Kirkland's

818
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,400
I'm I'm calling it 40 LB bag of
food.

819
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:17,880
It costs $40 because it's full
of unclean, low, low quality,

820
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,440
Yes, ingredients and your pets
deserve better.

821
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,040
Then we don't end up with all
these problems like skin issues,

822
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,960
seductive upset, cancer, kidney
problems.

823
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:34,080
If you have a cat, feed your cat
wet food.

824
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,520
If you insist on feeding dry
kibble and at least let's

825
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,240
incorporate moisture into the
diet.

826
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:48,200
Just about Wellness and the best
way to keep your pet well is to

827
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:52,520
help them not get sick.
Give them the nutrients that

828
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,800
they need.
Like I said, if you got yes,

829
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,840
great thing that Jessica said is
that we're providing them what

830
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,880
they what they need and then the
body picks and chooses what it

831
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,200
needs and what it doesn't need.
It's either going to store for

832
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,800
the future or it's going to
excrete in the stool or in the

833
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,760
urine.
So what that's OK.

834
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,520
We flooded the body with the
good things, all of the tools

835
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,560
the body needs to have health
and Wellness.

836
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:25,200
And we as a society have gotten
away from the idea that, for

837
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,640
example, in apples, it's not
just the apple and the sugar.

838
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,880
There's all the vitamins, all
the minerals, all the

839
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,960
antioxidants, all the good parts
of that wholesome food that we

840
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,800
kind of forget about, we've
stopped thinking about.

841
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:46,000
But the body is just is
requiring things like a good

842
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,760
example of this is the kidney
diet.

843
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:53,560
Not to go back to that again,
but but a big thing that we did

844
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,080
for years in the veterinary
profession is minimize the

845
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,720
amount of protein that they get
because we say it's high

846
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:07,120
protein, which taxes the kidney.
But cats in particular and dogs

847
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:11,160
as well have a basic requirement
for amino acids.

848
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:16,000
And if you are giving them the
amino acids, then they break

849
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:20,360
down their body to produce.
So that's why when you see those

850
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,200
older kiddies with kidney
disease, they look like

851
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:28,280
skeletons and they're super thin
because their body has

852
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:33,680
catabolized their own muscle
cells to provide the amino acids

853
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:36,360
that that animal needs every
day.

854
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,680
So if we don't provide it,
they're going to do what they

855
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,920
can to find it.
And so the Medicus kidney diet

856
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,960
is much higher in protein than
the average kidney diet.

857
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:53,800
So it's, I think it's like 2530%
protein, which some vets push

858
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,960
back on and say that's too high
a protein.

859
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,160
I go the opposite.
They need amino acids.

860
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,760
And if you don't give it to them
in their diet, they're going to

861
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,160
pull it from their own tissue.
And how is that good for them?

862
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,000
Because now you're circling the
drain even faster because they

863
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,400
have to catabolize their own
body tissue to support that

864
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,480
need.
And the same thing holds for

865
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,520
other things.
Vitamins, minerals,

866
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,000
antioxidants.
Why do we crave different

867
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,600
things?
And why do animals crave

868
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,120
different things?
Because they're usually looking

869
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,880
for that source.
Of course, that doesn't count.

870
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,520
No.
One of the things that I love

871
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,720
about your diets, all these
Medicus diets, is you.

872
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:38,280
Even though your focus is on
like helping a specific

873
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:44,120
condition or illness, you still
provide so many beneficial

874
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,400
prebiotic sources for the
microflora.

875
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:52,200
You know, because that if we
don't pay attention to the

876
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,920
microbiome, it cannot.
If it's not healthy, the body is

877
00:58:55,920 --> 00:59:00,160
not going to be able to heal.
So I love the fact that you

878
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,160
really tap into.
The.

879
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,080
The really good source, the low
glycemic sources of the fruits

880
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:11,080
and the vegetables that can be
that source of prebiotic

881
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:14,520
material to support good gut
healthy gut flora, Yeah.

882
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,920
Hugely.
Yeah.

883
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,360
Yes.
Well.

884
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,200
I, I know Janet wanted to ask
some more about herbs, but

885
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,200
unfortunately I'm going to have
to.

886
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:29,440
We've already been at this an
hour and I have another podcast

887
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,720
recording I have to get.
Yeah.

888
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,800
So you're talking, go ahead.
Yeah, I would say that the the

889
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,680
sensitive stomach diet is really
kind of a chronic pancreatitis

890
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:46,880
diet and acute pancreatitis to
me is like the straw that broke

891
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:52,360
the camel's back.
So if you look at the enzymes

892
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:57,720
that the pancreas produces every
day in tibble fed dogs, their

893
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:03,000
amylase level, so it's the the
enzyme that breaks down sugars

894
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:10,280
is off the scale like three to
four times the normal amount of

895
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,680
amylase.
And to me that because there's

896
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,200
always this debate that are dogs
omnivores or are they

897
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,040
carnivores?
And you know, of course we say

898
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,680
they're carnivores, but how do
how do other nutritional minded

899
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,360
people say that they're
omnivores?

900
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,480
They're omnivores in that they
can be nutritionally abused.

901
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,120
So they can tolerate nutritional
abuse and still be alive.

902
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:42,000
And it's when that nutritional
abuse is like over the top, that

903
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,480
becomes the straw that breaks
the camel's back.

904
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,920
And that's when you see acute
pancreatitis.

905
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:51,960
So I would say, and we, and we
don't know 100%.

906
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,960
We've, you know, everybody's
always thought it's because of

907
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:00,200
high fat levels.
But in reality, the the test

908
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:05,000
that's done for pancreatitis is
testing for lipase, but lipase

909
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,320
is in the body longer than
amylase is.

910
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:13,080
So when you're testing it 2-3
days later and it's still

911
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,800
elevated, the natural thought
process is, oh, it's because

912
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,560
they had too much, too much fat.
And I say the opposite.

913
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,640
I say they had too much
carbohydrate.

914
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,240
The pancreas is inflamed,
overwhelmed, the straw that

915
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,520
broke the camel's back and we
need to decrease carbohydrates.

916
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,520
Now, I'm not saying that it
could.

917
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,960
Well, it certainly could be me.
I would put that, I would put

918
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:44,120
pancreatitis in that symptom of
nutritional abuse and that you

919
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,440
need to get to a species
appropriate diet.

920
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:52,720
Now I understand, Janet, that
you're saying people are so

921
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,960
scared.
They're scared, they're scared

922
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:59,520
to have any fat because their
vet said it's all about fat and

923
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,800
so they're not going to give
them any fat at all.

924
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:06,120
And those dogs don't thrive.
I mean, we need fat in our body.

925
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,560
We need good for everything to
function.

926
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,520
All of our brain, our cells are
all fat laden and if we're not

927
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,280
giving it to them, it's kind of
in that same category of not

928
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,200
giving them enough amino acids.
They'll find it someplace.

929
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:25,240
In those particular cases, I
would gently say how about we

930
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:30,600
just start adding some of this
sensitive stomach diet to your

931
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:35,000
kibble and then we'll gradually,
slowly move them over because

932
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,640
they're in they're pancreas is
really inflamed and that's why

933
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,160
they're so sensitive and that
they could flare up at any

934
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:45,040
minute.
Absolutely.

935
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,440
So it is difficult to bring them
around.

936
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,720
But I guess I guess a good thing
to say is how has it been

937
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,880
working?
You know, are they thriving?

938
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,680
Do they look fabulous or are
they just surviving 1?

939
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,400
Podcast.
I was listening to that.

940
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:04,080
They suspect it's the oxidized
fats that.

941
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,680
It's possible the pets.
It, you know, depending on what

942
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,800
they're, what they ate, if it
was an acute thing and they got

943
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,560
into all the bacon grease or you
know, whatever.

944
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,560
Well, that would that would make
anybody sick.

945
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,080
Wow.
Absolutely, absolutely.

946
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,760
Yeah, that's.
What I think I I took the

947
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,640
pancreatitis course that Doctor
Steve Marsden created for Doctor

948
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,120
Judy Morgan's website and.
He.

949
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,240
Kind of had a combination of the
two that.

950
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:38,240
The.
Abuse of a lifetime of too many

951
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,560
carbohydrates and then the
oxidized fats on top of the

952
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:47,280
carbohydrate, because most
kibble that we're feeding also

953
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,600
is oxidized, you know, the fats
are oxidized at that point by

954
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:54,200
the time they're eating it.
And so kind of combination of

955
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,320
the. 2.
That kind of takes me away from

956
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:04,080
the oxidated oxidized fat
scenario is dogs can eat Rd.

957
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,640
kill totally fine, yeah.
Yeah, I think.

958
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,880
That fat that's in that animal
is just laying out in the road

959
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,480
oxidizing like no other and they
can eat that and not have a

960
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:19,680
problem with it.
So, but I think that I think

961
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:25,240
anything that's taxing the
pancreas is going to lend itself

962
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:29,200
toward inflammation and that
inflammation is could go into

963
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,480
acute pancreatitis.
For sure.

964
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,720
Well, unfortunately, I think
Janet's Internet cut her off,

965
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,320
but I do have to run to go to
another recording.

966
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:44,280
But I can't tell you how much.
I appreciate you, Doctor Besson,

967
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,080
and hopefully we can get you
back to talk some more about

968
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,880
herbs because I know what
everybody is interested, but I

969
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,800
know Janet.
There she is is also interested

970
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,040
in herbs.
So I was just thanking Dr.

971
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,720
Besant for all of her time and
her wisdom and for being so

972
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,560
generous with both.
Thank.

973
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,520
You thank you so much.
It's been awesome.

974
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:09,720
Yeah, it'd be fun to do a
webinar on allergies and GI

975
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,040
issues because they're almost
always together.

976
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:15,880
Why is that?
And there's so much we can talk

977
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:17,600
about.
Yeah.

978
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:21,800
Thank you.
Well.

979
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,360
Yes, and.
We.

980
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,840
Absolutely do.
And please check out Olive

981
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,160
Doctor Chris Besson's work.
She is again the founder of Herb

982
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:32,320
Smith.
It's the Simple Food Project and

983
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,840
Medicus Veterinary diets.
So do check first at your local

984
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,600
indie pet store and hopefully
they are carrying one or all of

985
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,520
those products.
If not, ask them about carrying

986
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,880
them.
Thank you so much for your time

987
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,080
again, Doctor Besson.
Absolutely.

988
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,200
Thank you.
Gosh, bye.