169. Canine Cancer Screening At Home with Oncotect

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Welcome back, pet parent.
Today's episode is serious, like

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very, very serious.
But also, you know me, I can't

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be serious all the time, but I
have some really interesting

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statistics.
I think we all know that today

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I'm we're recording this in
October 2024.

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Whenever you're hearing this,
the statistics are for now.

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Right now, one in four dogs will
develop cancer at some point in

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their lifetime, and nearly half
of all dogs that reach the age

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of 10 are likely to be diagnosed
with some form of cancer.

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And it's only getting worse.
It's sad, but the also the

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reality is that we all have the
potential for cancerous cells in

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our body all the time.
Our cells are constantly

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creating new cells and dying off
like it's a very natural process

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in the body.
So a cancer cell is just an

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abnormal cell.
It divides uncontrollably and

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it's just doesn't do all of the
normal things that a normal cell

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will do, including that cell
death that I was just talking

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about, which in scientific terms
is called apoptosis.

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If you've ever heard that word
before.

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Cancer cells avoid this natural
death process that our cells go

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through.
I don't know how many times we

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hear all these different
statistics online, like every

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seven years.
You're a completely new person

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because every cell in your body
has changed.

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But cancer cells don't do that.
They stick around.

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They they're abnormal.
And there are lots of reasons

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why these cancer cells may not
be detected by the immune

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system.
The immune system is suppressed,

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whether that is from some other
form of sickness, you know, poor

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metabolic function, immune
suppressing drugs, lots of

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different things could be going
on.

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And when cancer cells have this
opportunity to just continue to

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reproduce, which is what they
do, they just keep keep

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splitting and creating new cells
uncontrollably.

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The immune system isn't keeping
that in check.

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That's when we have problems.
These are also cells that like

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to migrate around the body.
So even though I actually have

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friend, he is 90 years old, he's
had cancer twice.

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And what's really interesting is
that he had breast cancer.

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Like, I don't, I want to say
like 30 years ago he had breast

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cancer and they're still finding
breast cancer cells in his body,

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but in other places in his body.
It's really, really wild.

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And so today's guest is someone
who has done research unlike

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anyone else who has created a
test.

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It is both an in you could get
this done like in office, or you

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can do this at home.
And it has a is it is it correct

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that it's a 90% correct rate of
being able to tell if a dog has

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cancer or potential, some sort
of potential for cancer?

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So Chan Nam Gong, he created
Oncotecht is the test.

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And I want to welcome Chan on to
the pet parenting reset.

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Thank you so much for being here
with us.

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Hey, thanks for having me,
Jessica.

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I really appreciate it.
Yeah, I'm really excited to talk

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to you about this because I have
to be honest that when I first

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talked to you and you sent me a
test, I was like, no big deal,

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I'm good, my dog's healthy.
And then I sent the test in and

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the e-mail came into my my inbox
and it said, your test results

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are ready.
And I was like, I don't want to

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open that.
And it was fine.

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Like she she was fine.
It said that there's no alarm,

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no cause for alarm for my
particular dog, but she is.

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She's going to be 11 this or
this month, actually, she's

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going to be 11.
And I mean, I think she's pretty

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healthy, but I also, she was 2
1/2 when I adopted her and she's

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eaten the absolute best foods
the entire time I've had her.

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But I don't know what happened
that first like 2 1/2 years of

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life.
There's obviously genetic

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factors.
So can you tell me just a little

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bit about you, about the
research that you did and

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creating Oncotech and exactly
what it is and how it works?

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Yeah, of course.
Again, thanks for having me to

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share my story and Uncle Tech
story with your audience.

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So Oncotech is, is a proactive
cancer screening test for dogs.

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Like you said, preventing cancer
in in dogs or even humans is is

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it's very difficult, almost
impossible.

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We know certain factors that can
cause cancer, but we don't know

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any, we don't know all about it.
So really your best strategy is

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to find it early and treat it
quickly.

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And that's what we do in human
medicine, right At certain age

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you do cancer screening tests
and, and if should you have any

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risk factors, then you do
further diagnostic tests.

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And from there you do, you know,
and if you find cancer, cancer

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is treatable, you know, many
people don't know that cancer is

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absolutely treatable.
And what we have done is what we

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have discovered is it is
scientifically proven that

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cancer cells produce a very
particular smell that's

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different from normal cells
produced.

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So I'm sure you've heard that,
you know, how dogs are able to

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detect cancer in human medicine
through a smell.

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And that's because cancer cells
produce a particular smell and

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they can be trained to respond
differently to, you know, to the

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patients that have, you know,
cancer cells, a higher, you

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know, amount of cancer cells and
patients they don't.

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So what we are using is what we
have discovered is they're these

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small nematodes called C
elegans, and they're known to

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have very high sensible
olfactory receptors.

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And they are known to respond
differently to urine samples

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that contain cancerous
metabolites, cancerous vital

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organic compounds and urine
samples that don't.

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So we have developed a process
and an analysis where we can use

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these worms to categorize dogs
in three different categories,

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low, moderate and high risk of
cancer.

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So what we are measuring is the
amount of cancers metabolites in

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dog's urine.
And based on that, the

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measurement, we can say, hey,
this dog, your dog is at a low

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risk of cancer at present time,
your dog is moderate risk or

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high risk of cancer.
Our test is not a genetic test.

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It is a, it is a, it's a test
that can tell you whether your

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dog is, is a, prone to having
cancer.

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It's not that it's like, hey,
your dog is, is at risk of

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cancer or not at risk of cancer.
So I started this company back

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in 2019.
It's been about almost five

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years.
We've done a lot of research and

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development.
We have a pen pending on our

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process on our technology.
We are based in Raleigh, NC.

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We work closely with North
Carolina State University

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veterinary school, but we are
not affiliated with NC State,

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but our lab is located near NC
State.

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And you know, we introduced our
first commercial product about

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two years ago and we only worked
with local hospitals at the

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beginning.
But last October anniversary,

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this is actually this month is
our actually first year

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anniversary.
We launched a kit that that that

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you use last October.
So now we are able to work with

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hospitals across the country as
well as consumers, pet owners

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directly off through our
website.

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Wow.
So tell me again, So these are

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worm worms, but they're like
tiny little things that we can't

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see, right?
No, they're microscopic

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nematodes and, and see elegance
is believe it or not, is very

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widely used in the world of
science and biology.

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It is actually the very first
genetic has gone through the DNA

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sequencing.
So we know everything about

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these worms and, and it's used
in pharmacology, oncology,

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biology.
I mean it's used widely used in,

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in the world of biology.
We are using these worms for

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different application.
They're known to have a very

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high sense of smell of factory
receptors and and they what we

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have discovered is that they
respond differently to urine

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samples that contain higher
amount of cancerous metabolites

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than urine samples that don't.
How?

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How do they normally act and how
do they respond differently?

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Well, sure.
So when we when we run these

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analysis on Aggar plates, they
actually are attracted to urine

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samples that contain cancerous
metabolites.

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So they literally migrate
towards urine samples.

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So we run these very sensitive
assays where we run 6 replicates

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because we want to make sure
that each result is reputable

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and replicable and we get a mean
average.

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And we actually, there's a
specific calculation you do to,

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to determine their preference.
Hey, are, are these ones

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actually preferred to move
towards urine samples or are

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they not?
And based on that, the mean

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average of that chemo Texas
value, we have our proprietary

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index where based on the value
we can categorize dogs as low,

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moderate and high risk.
And we've done this test

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analysis and we actually got a
paper published in a peer review

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journal for veterinary science.
Wow.

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So I was very, very pleased when
I did finally open the e-mail

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and it said low.
And I was like, I can breathe

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again.
I was surprised honestly,

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because like I said, I sent it
off and I'm like, no big deal,

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She's got this, No, no worries.
But then the e-mail came and I

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was like, Oh my gosh, this is, I
was not expecting to feel like

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this.
So, and that is actually one of

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the reasons why at first I was
like, Oh my gosh, I don't even

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know, like what is the
application for a test like

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this?
Because you convinced me,

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obviously, but and I want you
to, to, to talk about that.

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But at first I, you know, being
somebody that works one-on-one

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with, with pet parents, I'm
like, I don't want to like stoke

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the flames.
I don't want to start throwing

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around the C word when it's not
necessary.

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I don't want to like freak
people out and be like, Oh my

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gosh, this lady thinks my dog
has can't.

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Like, I don't, I don't want to
say that, but at the same time

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there are certain breeds of dogs
that are more predisposed to

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cancer.
There are, yeah, I can, I can

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think of a number of ways.
One in particular is that on on

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the holistic side of what we do,
if a, if a dog or a cat has some

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sort of lump or growth on them,
I and some other people that do

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what I do would prefer to
actually not aspirate because

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there is also evidence that just
poking a needle in something is

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going to agitate whatever is
going on.

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And if it is cancerous, then it
could potentially cause it to

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spread.
So I could see in cases like

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that where, OK, let's do this
test and find out without having

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to do the aspirate, without
having to agitate, you know,

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those cells and and what's going
on inside of the body.

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But for you like, what are the
primary applications?

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No, absolutely.
So let me kind of step back and

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then I'll, I'll kind of explain
the research you've done first.

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So we've primarily studied the
four most common treatable

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canine cancers, so lymphoma,
Melanoma, having your sarcoma,

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mast cell tumors.
And our accuracy was it's, it's

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you said 90% which is which is
true.

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But to be more specific, it's
83% sensitivity, which is true

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positive and 96% specificity,
which is true negative.

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So no test is perfect.
Even ultrasounds, X-rays, can

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you know miss cancer diagnosis.
So no test is perfect.

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But as far as I know, our test
is, is the best in class as far

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as accuracy goes.
So we are very proud of what

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we've done.
So among those four common, you

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know, most treatable canine
cancers, those things, those

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four cancers are absolutely
treatable, right?

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If you find early enough, you
can treat these cancers.

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And that's really the, the
purpose of, you know, early

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screening, right?
If you find it early enough that

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you can treat it, we, how many
times have you heard that?

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You know, I found out my dog was
diagnosed cancer and, you know,

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put my dog down on same day or
next day or even within a week,

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right?
The reason cancer is the leading

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cause of death in dogs is
because of most often too late

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diagnosis.
We just find out too late and

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the things that we do to find
whether our dog has cancer or

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not is through, you know,
diagnostic tests or X-rays,

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ultrasounds or biopsies.
But they're invasive and they're

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expensive.
It's not something they can do

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every year or every six months.
Let's see if you have, you know,

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high risk doll breeds that you
just can't afford to spend, you

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know, five, $600.00 every six
months or every year just for

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these diagnostic tests.
That's what we created this, you

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know, non invasive cancer
screening test so it can be more

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proactive and preventative.
We've done thousands of these

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tests with, you know, consumers
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and we have three types of door
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go over and beyond anything,

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everything they can do to keep
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including cancer treatment.
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may not necessarily want to put
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treatment because of age,
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still want to find out because
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provide better quality of life
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CVDLS, palliative cares, or just
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treats.
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holistic vets have more options
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cancer.
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majority of our customers, which
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category, is that they just want
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many dog owners have lost your
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devastating way that they
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prepared for it.
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to repeat that experience.
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proactive and more preventative
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your dog has cancer or not but
it is in what we have found is

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people rather know earlier than
too late and then have a regrets

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of what I could have done or
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Done.
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getting ready to record a Reel
for Instagram and TikTok on just

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that topic because I had a cat
who recently passed away very,

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very quickly on set.
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he had blood work done,
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And within a few months he
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X-rayed and it was osteosarcoma.
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quickly.
And one of the things that I was

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thinking about is that, OK, we
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there is a higher probability of
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invasive, as you were saying,
much less expensive than a lot

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of those very invasive tests.
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decision to say, you know what,
I know what it is now.

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OK, let's do treatment or I know
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So I'm going to continue
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I'm going to make adjustments in
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and I'm going to monitor their
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And that's my goal.
And so when we know we can kind

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of adjust those goal, goal posts
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Well, knowing it is your first
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You got to know first before you
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So, you know, it's always, you
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and treatment.
It's we just hear, you know,

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diagnosing a cancer is like a
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There's no one test that can
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You got to bring different
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different tests and different,
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look at it at a holistic, you
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Even, you know, we've heard many
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I mean, our test again is not
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bring different pieces of
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a kind of big picture.
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proactive screening is so
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to put yourself behind the 8
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by the time you find out like
you just have you, you don't

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have any options to do anything.
So that's where our our test

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And that is so true what you
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by the time we as pet parents
find out it is so late in the

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game that yeah, there probably
are some things we still could

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do.
But for me at least, I am going

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to take the animals quality of
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and foremost above anything
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age.
Like I have had so many pets

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over my lifetime at this point.
And I just lost my cat Romeo.

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He was the 8th cat, that or the
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And so having been through this
so many times, not all of them

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were cancer, but having been
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can definitely say like earlier
on in my life, I was just like,

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I want to do any and everything,
whatever is available.

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Let's do it like, I don't, you
know, go into debt.

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It doesn't matter, you know what
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That kind of thing.
And now I am, I'm still that I

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still have that mindset of like,
I don't care what it costs.

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They're my family, but I am
putting their quality of life

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over and above everything else.
And I think this kind of test

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and not obviously we want to be
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be proactive and, and know as
quickly as possible that there

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are concentrated amounts of
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What did you call them?
Cancer Metabolites.

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Yeah, cancerous metabolites.
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but it can also give us Peace of
Mind when it comes back and it

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says hello.
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I mean, if you like you said, if
you want to have options, you

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have to know first, right?
Because if you don't know,

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you're not going to have any
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Yeah.
So these are these tests are

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available like there are some
veterinarians that are already

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using these tests and it's also
available directly to pet

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parents, correct?
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So we work with over our test is
available at over 150 veterinary

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hospitals in the country and we
are adding more every week.

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It just add, you know, we we
like to onboard one veterinarian

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like one at a time personally.
So I'd make all the personal

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personal presentation to them
and I onboard them personally

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because I think it's important
that they understand what it is

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that they're offering.
But also we because of our test

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is only available at 150 that
hospitals, we wanted to make it

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available to anyone to purchase
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And then urine collection
process is surprisingly not as

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difficult when you have the
right tools.

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And that's what we provide.
We provide, you know, just small

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little tools that do you need to
collect small amount of urine

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sample at home.
And surprisingly, you know, we

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actually really get rarely get
any complaints or any, you know,

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questions about, Hey, I can't
collect urine sample because

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it's.
You know, if right tools it's

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not too difficult and all we
need is very small amount and

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then they mail it in and as part
of their activation process, we

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ask all pet owners to put in
their Venerian information so

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that we can auto share that
information with their Venerian.

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Like we are on the same page.
We want we want to work with

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Venerians and we want everyone
kind of the care team be on the

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same page.
So we auto share the reports and

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if they have any questions, they
can always come to us for any,

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you know, questions or
recommendations.

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But our, our report is very well
structured and I I'm sure you've

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seen it each in it shows you
know what the next step should

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be, what the suggests.
You know, you know, suggestions

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are based on, you know, the low,
moderate, high risk and you

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know, we work really well with
veterinarians.

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We initially we thought that we
were going to get a lot of

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pushback from veterinarians, but
you know, believe it or not,

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they actually really like the
fact that, you know, we're able

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to do this on their behalf and
they really appreciate what we

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what the work we're doing.
Well, and yet I can imagine

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that.
Well, first of all, we know

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that, you know, veterinarians go
into this field because they

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love animals and.
They're absolutely.

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The quicker the sooner that they
know that their patient could

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potentially have a cancer
diagnosis, the easier their job

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is.
That's right and it is non

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invasive which is the best
possible outcome for the pet.

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You know, normal, so like blood
panel or like urine now urine

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analysis that you know they do,
you know every, you know, six

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months or 12 months.
Those tests are great at

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picking, you know, you know, the
typical disease or typical

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health issues, but they're not
designed to pick up cancer.

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So that's why we miss cancer
diagnosis all the time, even if

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we do blood work or urinalysis.
So we, so you need a specific

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test that's designed to pick up
these different biomarkers that,

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that cause cancer or they are,
you know, the, the risk of

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cancer.
So that's what we, what we

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design and, and this, our test
is, is complement to what they

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already are doing.
It's not, you know, not

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replacing what they're doing.
It's a complement to what

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they're doing.
And it can only help them, you

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know, get ahead of, you know,
the risk that they may face

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potentially.
And, and we want to, our goal is

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to at the end of our goal is to
bring these dogs back to

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Venerians so they can, you know,
really do provide, you know,

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more for their diagnostic tests
or consultations.

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And, and we always say our test
is a, is a proactive screening

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test, not a complementary
diagnostic test.

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And our results must be
confirmed and and consulted with

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Venerian well.
Yeah, that makes sense.

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But still I, I think that Peace
of Mind and I, I think I like, I

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only think that really because I
got that e-mail and I was like,

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no.
And then I saw low and I'm like,

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like, I feel like I can breathe
now.

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But so this is just for dogs,
right?

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It's not.
It doesn't work the same.

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For cats right now, but we do
have a plan to start developing

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a test for cats next.
You know it theoretically it

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should work for cats, but you
know they're during collection

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process is a little bit
different than dogs, especially

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doing it at home.
So that's something that we have

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to logistically figure it out,
but it's only for dogs right

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now.
Yeah, the I, I definitely have,

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I've had some cats that I can
literally just like take like a

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little ramekin and go right up
underneath of them and they're

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fine.
And other cats would just like

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run out of the litter box if I
did that.

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And I have this is absolutely no
way sponsored, but there is a

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hydrophobic litter out there
that you might want to look at

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partnering with the sure because
the reality is that cats cats

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get veterinary care far less
than that.

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That's right.
Yeah.

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It's it's a such a hassle of
stress for owners and and the

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pet.
It is and I have never been that

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person.
I'm going to be completely

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honest, I have, I would probably
be like a millionaire right now

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if I didn't have pets in my life
because my, I believe me.

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I've, I have given it all to
veterinarians in my lifetime

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with the number of animals that
I have had.

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But yeah, I feel like this could
be almost even more beneficial

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for cat parents because they
don't get their cats into the

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veterinarian's office as
frequently as and cats are just

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as susceptible.
And honestly, I'm just thinking

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these things through as I'm
talking to you.

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I have had multiple cats now
that were diagnosed with IBD,

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which is not really a diagnosis,
but that's what veterinarians

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diagnose.
You know, Western Med

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veterinarians diagnose.
And I have done multiple

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podcasts on this with like the
two crazy cat ladies and talking

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about my experience, they often
times with cats will not test

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further and say, OK, it's it's
IBD.

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We think it's IBD, but also it
could be small bowel lymphoma.

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But we're going to treat it the
same.

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So why go through the extra
diagnostics, blah, blah, blah.

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And this could be like really,
really beneficial.

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Yeah, we definitely think that
we should have a test for cats

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and we get a lot of, you know,
people asking about it.

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So we are definitely thinking
about developing a test for cats

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for.
Sure.

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Yeah.
So why did you develop this

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test?
How did you figure this out?

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And like do you have, did you
have a dog with camp?

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How did this happen?
Yeah.

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So no, I didn't have a dog with
the cancer, but I, my mom was

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diagnosed with breast cancer
about 778 years ago.

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She's healthy now.
She's fine.

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She's been great.
But during that process, I had

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an opportunity to read a lot of
cancer related journals and, you

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know, papers.
And that's when I came across

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this science or discovery where
these small nematodes can detect

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cancer in human medicine first.
So, you know, as I was doing

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more research, I couldn't
believe that this is back in

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2019.
And I couldn't believe that

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cancer was the leading cause of
death in dogs.

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But there were there weren't any
screening tests available for

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dogs or cats or companion
animals.

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And I thought that just that
thought that was just crazy.

456
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,640
And I've heard how dogs were
used to take cancer in human

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00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,840
medicine, but the reason why we
don't use dogs to take cancer in

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human medicine is because it's
just not.

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It's not possible to scale that
operations.

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00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,640
It's just extremely expensive to
train dogs to carry out those

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00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,000
tasks, and they can lead to so
many.

462
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,360
So I thought maybe we can create
a platform.

463
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:30,320
We're using these worms to take
cancer in in venere medicine and

464
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,960
we can scale this and that's how
I started business.

465
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,200
Well, I'm really glad that your
mother is doing better.

466
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:44,000
That's it's so interesting, like
the things that happen.

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00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,320
I was just talking to Emily
Stein, who created teeth.

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00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,640
It's a water additive for dental
health.

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00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,240
And it was her grandmother who
like she had rheumatoid

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00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,160
arthritis so bad she couldn't
even brush her teeth.

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00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:04,960
And it was it's just amazing,
like the paths we go down

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because of the things that that
happened in our lives.

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00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:15,280
Well, so if somebody wanted to
learn more about this, wanted to

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see, I actually, gosh, they're
on your website.

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00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,840
I thought I had it pulled up,
but maybe I didn't.

476
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:30,520
There is a a graphic of the the
dogs that like the dog breeds,

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00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:36,360
top dog breeds that are like
most predisposed to cancer.

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So if people are interested in
finding out like is their dog on

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that list or you know, they can,
Oh, here it is.

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00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,240
I have it right here.
So, oh, and you have it listed

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out by those mast cell tumors,
bone cancer, lymphoma,

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hemangiosarcoma and Melanoma,
which Melanoma which says all

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breeds, But so the other four,
mast cell bone cancer, lymphoma

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and hemangiosarcoma.
And what I find is that there's

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so much misunderstanding with
cancer and treatments for cancer

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00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,200
and how it all works that like
that.

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00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,840
To me, that's another reason to
be as proactive as possible, to

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00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,480
stay on top of it and find out
as quickly as possible so you

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00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,280
have the time to do the
research.

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00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,320
Because a lot of times we wind
up in the veterinarian's office,

491
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,360
our dog is crashing, we're
freaking out, we have anxiety.

492
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,440
Our dog is like, you know, in
bad shape.

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00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,720
And our veterinarian is like,
this is wrong and this is wrong,

494
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,720
this is wrong.
And here's the, you know, it's

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00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,600
going to be $10,000 and we need
to do this right now, blah,

496
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,120
blah, blah.
And it's like you don't, you

497
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:52,360
don't have time to take a
breath, much less research like,

498
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,280
OK, this is the diagnosis.
These are the symptoms that, you

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00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,680
know, my dog does have these and
some that they don't have.

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00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,720
And what is that?
You know, doing all of that

501
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,000
takes time.
And to be able to have that time

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00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,280
to do the research, to not feel
like you're in that position

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00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,280
where you're being forced to
like, make this huge decision

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00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,960
immediately while you're in this
heightened state of anxiety like

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00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,320
that is just like the worst.
To me, don't, don't make any

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00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,880
important decisions when you're
in, you know, when you're, you

507
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,760
know, in that, you know, state
of mind, right?

508
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,240
Yeah, yeah.
And we feel like we have to,

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00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,440
especially if like our dog is
crashing.

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00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,600
So I get it.
Like I empathize because I've

511
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200
been in similar not for cancer,
but for other, I've been in

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00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,160
similar situations.
And it's like, you know, so to

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00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,840
stay on top of things that the
more we know, the better we can

514
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,600
do, the more preventative care
we can give to our pets and

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00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,600
ourselves and the.
Thing aren't they're beginning

516
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,000
to have more tests available
like this in human space.

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00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,760
A blood test there.
I know there's a test called

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00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,560
grail that's available that's
based on the based on blood

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00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,920
that's that's available.
And there are a few other tests

520
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:16,480
that are available, but
Cologuard is is a has based on

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00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,440
using stool before, you know,
colon cancer.

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00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,960
The grail is a test is a multi
cancer detection test in human

523
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,640
space.
So these you know, pre

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00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,960
screening, proactive screening,
multi cancer detection is it is

525
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,960
it is becoming more I don't
know, it's really not popular,

526
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:41,360
but becoming more available to
in human space, but also in in

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00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,560
been there space as well.
But.

528
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,520
You're, you're the only company
that does this test and make it

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00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,520
available to pet owners directly
because it is based on urine.

530
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,280
And then that's really by
design, you know, from the, from

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00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,320
the gecko.
We wanted to develop a test that

532
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,320
can be available, you know,
really make it available,

533
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:09,680
affordable, simple, convenient
for for pet parents as opposed

534
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,920
to you having to go to the, you
know, vet and get the blood

535
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,600
drone and, you know, just kind
of take that, you know,

536
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,960
inconvenience out of the out of,
you know, the equation.

537
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,120
Yeah, and the technology is just
so fascinating to me.

538
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,920
Yeah.
So fascinating.

539
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,400
So if a pet parent does want to
know more, if they want to learn

540
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,960
more about your company, about
where, where can they find this

541
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,760
information?
All the information they they

542
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,480
want to learn is all on our
website.

543
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,120
Our papers published paper is
available on our website.

544
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,360
Everything that I've, you know,
shared today is, is all

545
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,440
available on the website.
Of course, if they have any

546
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,920
additional or specific
questions, they can reach out to

547
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,520
us via e-mail or our online
chat.

548
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,560
We're very responsive, which are
respond to any requests or

549
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,760
questions within, you know, 12
to 1224 hours.

550
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:08,800
So we are very responsive and
yeah, everything they want to

551
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,400
learn is is available on our
website.

552
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,440
That's awesome.
So that will be LinkedIn, the

553
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,560
show notes.
But if you're just like driving

554
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:25,520
and listening, it's Oncotech,
ONCOTEC, t.co is where you can

555
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,200
get all of that information and
then follow them on social

556
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,840
media, which I think you have
Facebook and.

557
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,600
Facebook, Instagram, everything
perfect.

558
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,000
All of the places.
Follow them on whichever

559
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:43,200
platform that you hang out on.
Instagram is my favorite as you

560
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,440
guys know.
Our website is really the best

561
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,680
place to find all the detail
information.

562
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,800
Perfect, and you can order the
test there as well.

563
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,000
That's right.
Awesome.

564
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,520
Well, Chan, thank you so very
much for your time for doing

565
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,400
this, for putting this together.
That seems like so much research

566
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,960
and I'm.
Thank you.

567
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,160
So many years in a lab, I'm
sure.

568
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,239
A lot of resources.
And somebody's going to do it,

569
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,080
so why not you?
Thank you for that.

570
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,719
Do you have any pets now?
No, I, I have 3 kids.

571
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,520
I have three young kids.
So you know, we we don't have

572
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,960
the the bandwidth or capacity to
have pets right now.

573
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,159
Gotcha.
Well, at least you have a place

574
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,480
in your heart for them.
Yes, I did have dogs growing up,

575
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,480
but not right now.
Yeah, they're amazing.

576
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,840
So, well, thank you for what you
do guys.

577
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:43,360
Go check out Oncotech ONCOTECT
and all of those links will be

578
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,400
available on the in the show
notes on the website at the pet

579
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,920
parentingreset.com.
As always, if you have any

580
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,400
follow up questions, you can
obviously reach out to Oncotech.

581
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,120
You can also send me a DM on
Instagram.

582
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,320
I'd love to help you out.
And yeah, with that, I'm gonna

583
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,720
go ahead and say thank you again
and goodbye to our listeners if

584
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,240
you have any parting words for
them.

585
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:11,160
No, thank you for having me
sharing our story and I look

586
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,560
forward to, you know, speaking
with you again and I'm sure

587
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,360
seeing you in different, you
know, conferences or shows when

588
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,720
the but thanks for having me.
I really appreciate it.

589
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,240
Absolutely.
All right, guys, you have a

590
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:24,360
great rest of your week and I
will see you next week.