172. The TRUTH About Canine Cancer with Dr. Katie Kangas

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There you are.
Hello.

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Hi, Jessica.
How are you?

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I am great.
Thank you so much for having me

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join you today.
I'm so excited for you to be

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here, and I mean, you're so
amazing.

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Anyway, I'm going to get all my
fan Girling out at the

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beginning.
Thank you so much.

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Thank you for sharing that.
That totally makes my day and

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I'm happy to be here to share
for sure.

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Well, I mean, you have so much
incredible information to share.

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And so we're just continuing
this month in November with

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canine cancer awareness.
And I'm really super, super

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stoked that we were like already
talking about having, you know,

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doing an Instagram live and then
this came up.

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So to actually have like focus
of what we're talking about and

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it's such a big topic and it's
such an important topic and it's

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such a topic.
That is if it hasn't affected

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you yet, and I, I mean, you as
like the listener or the viewer,

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then it's likely to at some
point in your lifetime because

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that's just the sad reality of
the statistics.

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But Doctor Katie Kingis, you are
a veterinarian, an integrated

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veterinarian in Southern
California.

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You are, you're not in San
Diego, but you're very close.

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Where are you at again?
It's pretty much San Diego.

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So the technically our clinic,
my clinic is in Solana Beach,

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but it's San Diego County, it's
right here in San Diego.

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So yeah.
Close enough.

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And I've had you on the podcast
before, so a lot of you probably

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are already familiar with Doctor
Katie, but you are an integrated

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veterinarian.
And so I, I love to get people's

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perspectives on what that means
because like, it means something

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to me.
But like can you tell people a

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little bit about your journey
and and what you consider to be

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integrative veterinarian?
Medicine and just to brief into

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my journey, I've been, I
graduated in 1993 from

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veterinary school.
So that's amazing that I've been

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in vet for more than 30 years.
That's incredible.

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And but it feels good, so good
in the fact that I have amassed

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so much learning and so much
clinical experience.

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And we're all, all of us pet
parents, you know, everybody

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alive really, we are learning
every day.

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So learning never stops, but it,
you know, it's really nice that

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my journey has brought me to the
point where I have accrued

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enough clinical experience and
now holistic because I've been

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holistic and integrated for
almost 20 years now that, you

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know, I, I really feel so good
about having so much value to

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give to people and to my pet
patients because of that massive

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learning that continues every
day.

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But you know, once I started my
interest into holistic medicine,

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I, you know, sort of my pathway
in was Chinese medicine and

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getting acupuncture certified,
etcetera.

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And then I really branched into,
you know, more expansion

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throughout integrative with
functional medicine, you know,

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Western herbs, homeopathy, you
know, there's so many tools in

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the toolbox, which is such a
beautiful thing.

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And that's what we love about
integrative.

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And then so to define it for
everyone, at least from my

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perspective, is that
integrative, of course, is

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really using all the tools in
the tool boxes that we have.

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And the beautiful thing about
coming outside of conventional

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medicine is that we have so many
more tools just like a lot of

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the modalities that I just, you
know, mentioned in that in

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rattling that off.
And so we don't want to

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completely ignore conventional
medicine and it has its place

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and you know, we use it when
it's sensible to use.

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We make every effort to not
overuse it and to, you know, use

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it to the point where we're
getting negative effects,

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etcetera.
But we do want to take into

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account when it is helpful for
the patient to utilize

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conventional tools, then, you
know, that's part of the toolbox

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that we can choose from, which
is great.

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And then obviously bringing in
the holistic and integrative

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tools allows us to minimize the
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we might need to have less side
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the body from those items or
simply just to be more

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preventative.
So we don't get or our pets

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don't get a lot of these, you
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place.
So that's the beautiful thing.

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And the other thing that I think
is really neat to know or, or

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conceptualize about integrative
is really that sort of that

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saying that it's an end of one,
meaning it's that individual

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patient.
So integrative really takes into

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account the physical being, the
constitution, the mental,

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emotional, and you know,
physical and spiritual aspects

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of the body, the patient, the
animal, the human.

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And that's truly integrative is
that end of 1 of what is, what

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is best for this individual, all
the things taken into

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consideration and all of those
aspects of the person or dog

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person or pet person versus the
conventional sort of mindset

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which is much more narrow and
focusing on the disease and how

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to treat the disease.
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Yeah.
Well, gosh, all of that is so

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important and today, so we have
a really great question and I

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want to get to that in just a
minute.

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But what I was really hoping to
focus on today is kind of

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twofold 1.
You know, I, I've been listening

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a lot lately to doctor Kendra
Pope, who's a veterinary

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oncologist.
So very few of them in, in the

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United States.
And she, she really kind of

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opened my eyes.
Like I kind of knew.

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But to hear somebody like with
her authority to say this, I was

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like, Oh, yes, OK, that even
though, and I and I feel like

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this is almost like a, a kind of
gaslighting that's happening to

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us as a society.
So much of the funding for

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Cancer Research, whether we're
talking about humans or dogs, is

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going towards like the genetic
aspect.

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But if you listen to somebody
like Doctor Kendra Pope, she

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says it's really 90 to 95%
lifestyle.

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Exactly.
And that is empowering really, I

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think.
Very empowering.

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It really changes the inaccurate
mindset that we've had for so

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long that your genes determine
your outcome.

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And then people just feel like a
victim or like their dog's a

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victim, and I can't do anything
because we're a victim of our

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genetics.
And fortunately, along came the

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discovery of epigenetics, which
is what Doctor Kendra Pope talks

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a lot about.
Rightly so.

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Is that epigenetics, EPI being
above, you know, genetics is

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that just because you have a
gene for something doesn't mean

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that it's going to be expressed
to have a certain outcome.

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And what influences the
expression of our genes is the

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vast majority of that influence
is environmental and lifestyle,

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anything from clearly diet,
toxins, stress, you know, poor

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food, processed food, you know,
all of these things.

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And so that's where, you know,
and I guess a nice easy

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description is that we really
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genetic disease.
And now we, you know, the top

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scientists and the rest of us,
holistic and integrated people

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really understand that it's a
metabolic disease, not so much a

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genetic disease, so.
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And so to start to address this,
this one person's question, I

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like the three of the most
fundamental things to life are

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air, water, food, right?
And they're all toxic at this

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point.
So there may be some other

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things that I think to really
get into all of the decisions we

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could make in our environment,
lifestyle choices that we're

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making could probably take days
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So maybe some of the like key
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focus on 1st for a pet parent.
And the question that we have is

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around accessing clean water for
our pets.

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And I know this is something for
me that I don't want to say I

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struggle with, but I know that
I've gotten to a point where

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like, OK, I'm comfortable
enough, but I know there's more

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that I could be doing.
So just to kind of give you a

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baseline for me right now, what
I do for me and my pets is

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spring water that I add minerals
back to.

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Now.
I think there's a whole lot more

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that we probably could be doing.
And there's a whole lot of talk

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around like structured water or
hydrogen water, all of that

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stuff.
But just, you know, for the

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average pet parent, just the
idea of like whatever water is

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being pumped through your pipes
in the US, you're probably not

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getting a clean.
You're probably not getting.

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A clean, yeah, it's, it's
virtually impossible.

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I mean, all the experts are like
there are no pipes delivering

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water that are not going to have
some toxin.

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Obviously some areas are going
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toxins in the water than others,
but you pretty much can count on

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the fact anything coming through
pipes is not as clean as we want

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to to be.
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everybody is not to use tap
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themselves.
And it can be as simple as, you

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know, getting, like you said,
you know, getting sources of

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spring water or having a reverse
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whole house filtration unit, or
getting a really good filter

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that you filter your water
through, whether that's, you

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know, one of the pitchers that
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I could even give you a name to
to post.

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There's one that dumb doctor
Mindy Pels recommends that I've

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heard such good things about.
I have friends and family that

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have that.
But I have an RO unit in my

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house.
So that's what I do.

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But I re mineralize it as well
just like you do with trace

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mineral drops.
Yeah, so, and, and I think

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again, like you said across the
board, for you, for your pets,

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for everybody in your family,
that's what we really want to be

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drinking is the cleanest water
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And and you know, the heavy
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chlorine, all that junk, like
that's not ideal.

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So, so tail waggers Haven,
they're struggling to access

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clean water.
Can you tell me a little bit

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more about like where you are,
what you're struggling with,

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with getting clean water?
Because I think that makes a

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difference.
And then maybe, yeah, and and a

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filter then, you know, I mean,
there are filters that do a

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really, you know, the Common
Britta filter doesn't do much,

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but it's better than nothing,
you know, remove chlorine and

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things like that, but it won't
remove a lot of the other, you

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know, contaminants.
So there are better filters, but

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if you know, somebody has
trouble getting access to clean

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water, I mean, I think having a
really good filter is going to

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be the best thing you can do.
And whether that's picture by

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picture or something you could
have for, you know, the, the

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building system or the house
system or whatever.

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Yeah.
And I think there are a lot of

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levels like you were saying,
there's you can do pictures for

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emergencies, There are like
straws that you can use.

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And then like there are
countertop units and then there

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are like whole house units.
And there's a big array of, you

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know, wherever you are right now
in your journey to fit your

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lifestyle.
So what are some of the things

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like I was saying at the very
beginning when I think of like

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the most fundamental things,
air, water, food for me.

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But maybe there are other things
for you if you are just giving a

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pet parent like a brief overview
of like where do I start?

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Where what are some of the
biggest things maybe where they

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can have the biggest impact to
start doing for their pets?

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Because even if, even if
they're, they're not necessarily

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thinking cancer off the top of
their head, they're thinking I

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want to keep my pet healthy,
period.

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Like how, how, how would you
start down that road?

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What?
Are we, and just to clarify,

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Jessica, are you talking about
toxins like air or are you

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talking just like everything?
What do we want to do to be

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prevent?
I mean, I know that's big.

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Yeah.
Like prevention in general or

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starting off with like the
actual toxin topic?

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I think prevention in general,
whatever you're most

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comfortable, like what you would
talk to a pet.

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Here.
Yeah, absolutely.

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And I think, you know, all of
all of your community already

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knows this.
So we probably don't need to

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spend any time talking about
food.

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You know, the food, air, water,
just like you mentioned, those

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are all of the things that we
can sort of, you know, analyze

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and mitigate to the best of our
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our pets and ourselves to the
cleanest of everything that we

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possibly can.
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clean world.
So we do our best and, you know,

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realize that we can't always be
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organic things, not feeding
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everybody knows that sort of
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Glyphosate, you know, round up
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non organic foods is a huge
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carcinogenic, not to mention,
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and toxic to the gut and the gut
barrier and all that kind of

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stuff.
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this community already knows
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comes to all around prevention.
There are so many great things.

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empowering part for people is

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that we've already sort of
cleared up that you don't have

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to feel doomed or feel like your
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There are so many things that we
can affect in the environment

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and lifestyle for our pets and
ourselves that empower us to be

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more preventative and more
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And I love you actually brought
up Doctor Kendra Pope, and she

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is phenomenal.
You know, she's done a lot of

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talks and been on, you know,
with Doctor Karen Becker and

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Rodney Hibbett and such and so
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But she said a comment that I
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recently.
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the cure for cancer.
It's prevention.

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And I'm like, oh, that is such a
golden statement.

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And she alluded to, which, you
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is that we have cancer cells in
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healthy cells and the good

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immune system cells to identify
those mutating cells in those

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rogue cells and get rid of them
and, you know, help to remove

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those.
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things that we can do for
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And that's just a perfect segue
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option.
And that when the body is not

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constantly in taking food and
calories, when you have that

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time restricted feeding and you
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an animal or a person, then the
body is able to go into its own

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clean up mode.
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where the healthy cells are
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and the cells that are
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becoming cancerous.
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methods that but a powerful one
to, you know, support our pets

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in a prevention mode.
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can be done in different ways
with time restricted, it can be

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a few days a week.
It can, you know, and I think

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it's, it's probably easier to
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quickly with large breed dogs.
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a little bit take into
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everybody's an individual and
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you know, other health status
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a difference with intermittent
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But there's a ton of information
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I wrote an article for Animal
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ago now that you know, we could
post the link on intermittent

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fasting.
It's short, but you know, really

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informative.
But that's something people can

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plug into as well, you know, And
there's obviously much more, but

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if you.
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Good comment, right?
Absolutely.

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So, you know, I mean, there's so
much we could still talk about

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with testing and supplements and
all of these things, but let's

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hit on the free things first
because they're powerful.

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They're so accessible.
And so the way you're, you know,

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you feed your pet and, and how
often your pet eats or, or you

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know, how many hours a day
they're not eating, all that

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sort of thing is huge prevention
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are important are exercise and

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staying lean because we now know
that obesity and being

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overweight is a definite, you
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diseases, including cancer, and
that applies to both animals and

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humans.
So staying lean and then the

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whole exercise thing, that's a
fun topic too, because we know

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how much exercise impacts the
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But when it specifically comes
to cancer prevention, that's

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important as well because
exercise brings more oxygenation

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to the body's tissues.
And one of the great things to

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know about cancer and actually
we can sort of tie this in

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because I didn't mention
ketogenic diets when we were

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talking about intermittent
fasting, A whole nother method

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that people can use is the keto
style diet, which is low on

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carbohydrate.
Fortunately, cancer cells really

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rely on glucose for their fuel
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restricted diet, which is

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species appropriate for dogs and
cats anyway, then that is

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helping to suppress cancer
growth because it's not giving

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cancer cells a lot of fuel.
Similarly, interestingly, cancer

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cells do not thrive well in an
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Cancer cells thrive more in an
anaerobic environment that is

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deprived of oxygen, which is why
hyperbaric oxygen is also very

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sought after in the integrative,
you know, field and treatment

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therapies for people and even
for pets, although it's harder

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to access for pets.
But hyperbaric oxygen and even

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ozone therapy because ozone
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the cells.
But exercise, which is free,

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does that too.
And so anytime we have regular

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exercise, we have healthier,
more oxygenated cells, which

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means our mitochondria are
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And, you know, all the healthy
cells that are keeping the

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cancer cells in check are
working better.

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And it really helps to suppress
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So another fun thing too, to
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is that where you exercise can
also make a difference too.

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And the whole thing with, you
know, grounding and forest

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bathing and, you know, being in
the outdoors as much as we can

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and it's so good for us.
And if our pets are an incentive

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to get us there.
I mean, what a beautiful win win

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that is.
But there's actually many

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studies that have been done on
force bathing.

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And actually when I was just at
the H VMA, one of the lectures

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talked a lot about the science
of force bathing.

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It was really neat and how the
frequency of the trees and all

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of the plants in nature are
literally communicating because

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of course our cells also run on
frequency of energy.

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And so just like EMF can be a
treatment and essential oils,

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which change the vibration in
the frequency of, you know,

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cells and everything, just being
out in nature can change the

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frequency and can amp up the
immune system's ability to do

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some metophagy and kick out the,
you know, cancer cells and

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mutated cells.
So that's a really beautiful

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thing too.
I'm so glad you mentioned

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grounding and forest bathing
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hyperbaric, that's where my mind
went was getting out and like

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clean, healthy soil and like
absorbing that, that energy of

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the earth, the the ions and all
the, all the stuff from you're.

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Exactly right.
Yeah, perfect.

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And you even.
And you even jogged me to also

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add in when you talked about the
healthy air and soil, you know,

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again, you know, grounding,
whether it's in soil or sand or

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grass or whatever, that's all
good.

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But it's also supporting a
healthy microbiome too.

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And we know, you know, that
there's so much information out

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there about docs that spend more
time in true soil, have better

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over overall are going to have
better microbiome status too.

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And we know that the microbiome
is, you know, largely

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influencing the body's immune
system and even the body's

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ability.
And Doctor Pope talks about this

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too, that the microbiome is very
involved in the body's ability

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to address cancer and prevent
cancer.

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So, yeah, so some of the other
things that I think about,

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obviously we kind of touched on
removing is many toxins from the

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air, from the water, from the
food.

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And I that's like on one hand,
and I say like, I know it's a

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privilege, but on the other
hand, like it shouldn't be a

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privilege to be able to eat
clean food, to be able to have

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access to organic foods, to be
able to have access to animals

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that are raised regenerative
regeneratively.

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Like it's, it's sad that we have
this like asterisk next to if

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you can afford to do that,
right?

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No, yeah.
But it can make a really, really

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big difference.
And I like it always pops in my

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head now when I hear people, I
see people online all the time

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saying like, I don't know what I
did wrong.

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My dog eats a raw food diet,
blah, blah, blah.

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And to me, like that sometimes
can be that linchpin and like,

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OK, you're going to the grocery
store or you're buying the

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cheapest cuts of meat, blah, you
know, all the things because

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that's what you can do to afford
to feed your dog this diet,

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which by the way, is a win.
Like that is a win.

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Yeah.
Sometimes that that linchpin

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really can be the difference
between that GMO crop and that

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organic crop or the the animal
that was raised in a feed lot

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versus an animal raised
regeneratively.

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And so I never even though
again, there's this like

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asterisks of like, it's a
privilege to be able to do this.

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I understand that, but also it
really can make a.

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Huge.
It's nice to know that and just

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not to have any guilt attached
if people are not able to

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achieve that fully.
But even if you can do some,

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like even if 30% of what you
feed is organic, it's better

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than nothing.
You know, it's better than 100%

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not being.
And so I would just encourage

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people to do whatever they can
in that regard.

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And also like you, you know, to
sort of speak to what you said,

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Jessica's, if at all possible,
the more we can invest on the

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front end of prevention, the
less we're spending on the back

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end of that, you know, the care.
Because, you know, if a pet does

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obviously get any disease,
including cancer, people will do

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everything they can to come up
with the funds to care for their

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pet, to get them better.
And it's so nice if that money

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was spent on the front end
instead, you know?

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Yeah.
So what, to whatever degree that

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that can happen, obviously is a
beautiful thing.

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Yeah.
And so I think with a lot of

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disease, we really we think of
inflammation being at like the

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root cause of a lot of disease.
So what are some of the like

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everyday things we could be
doing, maybe adding into the

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bowl maybe I don't know what
are, what are some of the things

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like I, I have a few off the top
of my head that I tend to play

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around with, but do you have any
like supplements or things that

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you can do?
And I think that a couple of

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things so that I don't forget to
go there because, you know,

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common supplement or you know,
good supplements and common

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supplements we can talk about
too, because that's super

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helpful and an easy category to,
you know, touch into for people.

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But some of the things to
mention right off the bat that

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are so anti-inflammatory,
Vitamin D is a huge protector of

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the body when it comes to cancer
and all chronic diseases.

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Because vitamin D is not only,
you know, a lot of people

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recognize it as being very
helpful for the body to be more

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resilient to infection, which is
absolutely true.

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Whether it's bacterial, viral,
fungal, whatever.

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If your vitamin D levels are
low, you're more susceptible to

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infection.
But what's also very important

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is that if vitamin D levels are
low, the body's going to be more

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prone to inflammation, and it's
very difficult for the body to

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resolve inflammatory patterns.
And so vitamin D is recognized

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as a big, you know, a big
advantage for cancer prevention

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or even once cancer is
diagnosed, like get that vitamin

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D up to help that body recover
and do better.

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So testing though, for vitamin D
is really important because

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vitamin D, of course, is a fat
soluble vitamin.

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So I don't generally recommend
to just, you know, give an

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average dose of vitamin D
because everybody's different.

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Even within the same household,
you'll have three dogs on the

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same diet and their vitamin DS
are all completely different.

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So testing is really important.
Most integrated veterinarians

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obviously offer these tests.
I do as well and we haven't, of

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course, I do a lot of
telemedicine.

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So I have an online shop on my
website and we do sell the test

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00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,680
kits if you know over the
counter and people can get them

451
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,080
and go to their primary vet or
their local veterinarian and

452
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,160
have a blood draw.
If you know anybody listening

453
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,480
isn't doing this already,
definitely something I would

454
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,760
recommend.
And then another test and

455
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,800
actually the company that I use,
I can just mention it for the

456
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,080
vitamin D testing is VDI.
Actually put that right here

457
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,840
just as a visual in case that's
helpful for anybody.

458
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,560
But VDI is the lab and there is
a test called the Essential

459
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,800
vitamins test, which includes
the vitamin D.

460
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,360
And then another really
important thing for inflammation

461
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,040
is omega-3 fatty acids.
So the DHA and EPA Omega threes

462
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,680
that we all need for so many
aspects of health, but they are

463
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,880
just very, you know, markedly
anti-inflammatory.

464
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,680
And we know that omega-3 fatty
acids are definitely cancer

465
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,440
protective.
So and a lot of oncologists,

466
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,240
veterinary oncologists, if they
know anything about nutrition,

467
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,920
they're like high dose Omega
threes when you have, you know,

468
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:03,880
cancer or even just in
prevention.

469
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,840
But the beautiful thing is now
we can test for Omega threes in

470
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,480
dogs and hopefully soon for cats
too.

471
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,080
But currently the test is
available for dogs and we do

472
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,240
have that test as well.
And Omega Quant is the company

473
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,400
that most of us use and that's
what I use.

474
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:25,240
And so testing your pets for
omega-3 levels is so important

475
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,440
and beneficial in you being
able, in anyone being able to

476
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,000
customize, you know, what their
pet needs and get either more

477
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,640
omega-3 containing things into
the diet.

478
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,120
You know, whether that's
sardines and wild caught salmon

479
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:43,240
and you know, multitudes of
things that are good resources

480
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,720
for omega-3, but also
supplements, you know, and

481
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,800
whether that's a sardine,
anchovy oil, a cod liver oil, a

482
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,800
calamari oil, etcetera.
But yeah, those are very, very

483
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,520
important topics within the
anti-inflammatory discussion.

484
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:03,960
So I, I'm actually so stinking
excited to edit.

485
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,600
I, I did a, it's like a master
class with Judah Feitel from

486
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,000
Nordic Natural for the podcast.
And so he gave me, I don't know,

487
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,080
it was well over an hour and all
we talked about was omegas.

488
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,520
And I'm so excited to get that
edited, but.

489
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,960
That is going to be so good,
like from an omega-3, you know,

490
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,720
expert, you know, a fatty acid
expert.

491
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,040
Like that is really valuable
information because there's

492
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,800
still so much that people don't
know and that even doctors don't

493
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,400
know.
And so getting that kind of, you

494
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,680
know, knowledgeable information
out there is going to be

495
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,520
awesome.
I know I'm really excited

496
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,360
because I mean, we went over
like everything I could think

497
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:48,320
of, including like not using
pump bottles, not using plastic,

498
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,840
like all of the things the.
Duration and the oxidation and

499
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,280
you know all of that, the
sourcing, but as well also as

500
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,920
the, you know, the methods, the
cold pressing, the storage,

501
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,160
etcetera, etcetera.
That is wonderful because it's,

502
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,080
it's, it's such important
information.

503
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,680
I mean, if we're going to give
fish oils, let's do it right

504
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,680
because there's a lot of fish
oils on the market that are

505
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,160
downright harmful.
And then even if you pick a good

506
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,760
one and it's not in a glass
bottle or it's in a pump, or

507
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,600
it's not stored right and
refrigerated, then you're

508
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,240
actually doing more harm to your
pet's body or your own body than

509
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,160
than helping it.
So that's a key, you know, key

510
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,880
factor.
So I want to shift a little bit

511
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,280
towards what you think are going
to be some of the best things

512
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:42,000
for pet parents to consider and
think about when if they

513
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,520
actually get this diagnosis.
And I think one, we have a

514
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,520
couple of other questions that
can kind of lead us in that

515
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,000
direction.
So Lauren with Girls Gone Well

516
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:59,080
Pet Health joined and she says
that she has a friend whose dog

517
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,320
was recently diagnosed with mast
cell cancer after having a large

518
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,400
lump removed.
There's no other lumps they can

519
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,360
find currently, but she knows
that mast cell behaves very,

520
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,120
very differently.
So they've already discussed an

521
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,360
anti-inflammatory diet,
supplements, full spectrum CBD,

522
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,560
which we haven't talked about
yet.

523
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,440
I know what else.
I think she said one more other

524
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,520
thing.
Oh, she was saying that yeah,

525
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,520
utilizing that fasting feeding
window has been very, very

526
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,440
helpful for her seniors
especially.

527
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,480
But I know mast cell does behave
very, very differently.

528
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,240
And one of the things that I am,
I know me as an expert, I'm

529
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,320
going to leave this up to you,
but one of the things I know

530
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,000
with mast cell is that I'm like
hyper focused on reducing the

531
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,240
histamines, right, with that one
specifically.

532
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,400
Right, reducing histamines.
Yeah, absolutely.

533
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:57,000
I mean, that's the hallmark of
mast cell, you know, cancer is

534
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,960
that these tumors are releasing
mast cells histamine.

535
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:07,000
Sorry, I'll grab her.
No worries, we say.

536
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,720
We're chiming in with with dog
voice.

537
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,240
That's awesome, Shaq.
I I would love to contribute to

538
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,080
this conversation.
I know.

539
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,000
Sweetheart.
That's perfect.

540
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,000
So yeah, mast cells are, you
know, very different and that's,

541
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,240
you know, kind of a little
category on its own of things to

542
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,360
do, but definitely focusing on
anything that is reducing

543
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,800
histamine release.
And there are several natural

544
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,200
things and many people are aware
of quercetin, you know, which is

545
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,360
a bioflavonoid that is
naturally, you know,

546
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,480
antihistamine.
There are other things like beta

547
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:47,480
sterols and you know, the beta
thyme product that I carry,

548
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880
which has thymus gland and beta
sterols, which helps to reduce

549
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,200
histamine and mast cell release.
So that's a nice product as

550
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,720
well.
I also really often times for

551
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,440
mast cell tumors, I will tap
into Chinese herbs.

552
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,440
That's a really good category to
bring up for that one for blood

553
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,680
based tumors.
But all the other things that

554
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,960
we've talked about are also, you
know, key in that.

555
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,280
And and you know, some of the
other anti-inflammatory

556
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,280
supplements that you know, we
didn't discuss yet.

557
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,880
We can sort of segue over to
that because Lauren brought up

558
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:26,680
the CBD and cannabinoids, which
is such a good plant medicine

559
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,560
category to tap into for many
things, but certainly for

560
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,960
cancer.
And we know that cannabinoids

561
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,600
have direct anti tumor benefits,
but also anti-inflammatory

562
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,040
benefits supporting, you know,
it's adaptogen supporting, you

563
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,880
know, immune support, supporting
the overall well-being.

564
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,320
So that's something that could
be added in for certainly mast

565
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,120
cell cancer, but any obviously
cancer.

566
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,360
Other very well known but
really, really helpful things

567
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,120
are things like curcumin,
turmeric, mushrooms, superstar,

568
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,520
obviously category of
supplements and superfoods.

569
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,960
So any of the medicinal
mushrooms are wonderful, but

570
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,640
some of the common players that
people would be thinking of for

571
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,760
cancer would be Turkey tail,
Cordyceps.

572
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:19,120
But Shiitake Mataki, you know,
all of those Lion's mane, you

573
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,440
know, Chaga, all of them.
But Cordyceps and Turkey tail

574
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,840
really come to to forefront for
me, for, you know, for, for this

575
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,160
conversation.
But really, blends are a good

576
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,160
way to go.
And so that's.

577
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:36,320
One of the things that I often
forget but somehow popped in my

578
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:41,720
head just now is to not overlook
the liver support because the

579
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,120
liver has to process all of
these things.

580
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,680
And I know that since you
brought up mushrooms.

581
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,360
Oyster mushrooms actually if I
remember correctly from Lee

582
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,560
Carroll was telling me oyster
mushrooms have the highest ergo

583
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,240
theanine levels, which is really
really great for liver support

584
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,760
and flushing.
Absolutely, Yeah.

585
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,840
I talked a lot about ergo and
how important that component is.

586
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,960
And I love that you brought up
liver support because I, you

587
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,639
know, I'm, I'm selective in each
time I meet with pet parents, so

588
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:17,960
I'm not overwhelming them with
too long of a list of

589
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,120
recommendations because again,
we have so many tools in our

590
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,120
toolbox, which is exciting, but
it can be a little overwhelming

591
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,679
when we're talking about numbers
of supplements to add in.

592
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,920
But I always am considering
liver support honestly with any

593
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,239
chronic condition, but certainly
with cancer too.

594
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,560
And a step further is if they
are, if the pet parent is going

595
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,280
to pursue any conventional
therapy, certainly

596
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,639
chemotherapies or even, you
know, Prednisone or these other

597
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,679
things that are
immunosuppressants that are used

598
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,920
in a cancer protocol.
Definitely we want to bring in

599
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,800
some liver support.
But even if, you know, we're

600
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,719
just doing integrative and
holistic tools, then liver

601
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,120
support is still a good thing to
be on the list.

602
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,200
Absolutely.
Good, good mention.

603
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,760
Lauren says she's currently
chopping oyster and lion's mane

604
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,240
as we speak.
Who?

605
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,480
Is that I saw she made a run to
like somebody growing them

606
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,640
locally near her and she's doing
some sort of fun holiday treat.

607
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,160
So excited to see what that's
going to be.

608
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:28,800
But so if you had unlimited time
to speak with a pet parent in

609
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:35,480
your clinic and you had to give
them a cancer diagnosis for

610
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,280
their dog, what would be the
first things that you want them

611
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,080
to start thinking about?
Or do you want them to start?

612
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,520
They do you want them to like
take some time to process, clear

613
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,640
their head, wrap their emotions
around it all and then start

614
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,800
looking at like a checklist.
How do you how would you handle

615
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,120
that?
Yeah, that's such a great

616
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,680
question, Jessica.
And, you know, it really is so

617
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,480
individual because everybody's
different people react and

618
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,720
respond differently to, you
know, this type of information.

619
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,080
Somebody that's had a pet with
cancer already that's sort of

620
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,600
been through this might have a
very different reaction to

621
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,200
somebody where this is just, you
know, completely unknown

622
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,280
territory for them.
One of my first questions for

623
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:23,720
people would be, you know, are
they interested in pursuing any

624
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:26,240
conventional therapy?
And they're, you know, different

625
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,520
cancers respond differently.
I mean, there are some cancers

626
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,840
that we know, like conventional
therapy is really, there's not a

627
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,360
lot of options.
And for most of those, you know,

628
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,520
to, to, to excuse me to the
degree that I'm familiar with, I

629
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,600
will support people with that.
Like in my experience, this type

630
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,880
of cancer, you know, probably
wouldn't respond well to

631
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,960
conventional therapies, but
there are some that do respond

632
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,120
relatively well.
And so I always get because

633
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,360
everybody's different.
And so I always get that take.

634
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,880
Do you want to at least know
your options from the

635
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,920
conventional side?
My recommendation is to at least

636
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,320
have a consultation with a
veterinary oncologist.

637
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,680
If you could get in with
somebody like Doctor Pope, who

638
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,440
is an integrative veterinary
oncologist, I mean, 110% that's

639
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,000
what I would do.
But I can guide people with a

640
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,920
lot of the integrative side of
things.

641
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,240
And so I like to remind them
that there's options and that we

642
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,040
can pull in some conventional or
completely, you know, not use

643
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,080
that at all and delve into
either way.

644
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,080
What I love to tell people is
whether you're doing

645
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,560
conventional or not, all the
tools that we have on the

646
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,280
integrative and holistic side
are going to be useful.

647
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,840
And we can just see, you know,
what works for your dog in their

648
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,280
regimen.
And so, and then the other thing

649
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:47,000
that I really like to share with
people to alleviate some of the

650
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:52,280
emotional burden is that we
have, we all have this notion.

651
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,320
I think doctor Kendra Pope said
this in one of her recent talks

652
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,880
where we visualize and think in
our mindset, we hate cancer.

653
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,520
We hate cancer cells.
We want to get rid of them.

654
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,080
We got to fight the cancer.
We got to get rid of the cancer.

655
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,560
And although we do really want
to get rid of the cancer, that

656
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,280
would be great.
And sometimes that is

657
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:14,080
achievable, but there's also a
really good mindset of

658
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:20,760
acceptance sometimes in that
let's support the pet to live

659
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,200
well with cancer.
If it's not something that we

660
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,600
can get rid of, you know, if
it's liver cancer or whatever

661
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,880
and we can't, you know, resect
it or surgery is not an option

662
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,560
or whatever, that there are a
lot of, you know, circumstances

663
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,320
where pets or humans can live
well with cancer in the body.

664
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,280
And that is still an amazing
win.

665
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,760
And I've had so many patients
that have lived far beyond

666
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,920
expectations that maybe their
cancer never went away, but they

667
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,440
lived for months or even years
longer than projected with

668
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,480
cancer, you know?
And they're still running around

669
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,800
chasing squirrels.
And it's like, Oh my gosh, you

670
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,080
know, they're living with cancer
and they're doing it damn well,

671
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,560
you know?
And so it's nice to know that

672
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:07,600
there is power to do that too.
Even if we can't eradicate the

673
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,840
cancer doesn't mean that the pet
is doomed from quality of life

674
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,360
from the get go.
Yeah, well, two things there

675
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,640
that I thought of. 1 is that the
dog doesn't know that it has

676
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,160
cancer.
You're the one that knows,

677
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,320
right?
So let them be, let them live

678
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,920
their life, be happy, do all the
things as much as they can, as

679
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,760
long as they can.
But also kind of circling back

680
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,760
to what you said at the
beginning is that we all have

681
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,520
cancer cells in us all the time
anyway.

682
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,960
So living with it isn't an
extreme thought.

683
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,560
Like once it gets to there's a
point where our body isn't able

684
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,720
to, you know, it's, it's, it's
proliferating at a point where

685
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:50,480
our body hasn't been able to
contain it, mitigate it, keep it

686
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,440
in check.
Like that's the reality of it

687
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,800
versus one day you didn't have
cancer and the next day you do.

688
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,520
Like that's.
Not exactly right?

689
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:03,440
Exactly.
And there are certain cancers

690
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,040
obviously, that are known to be
more aggressive and, you know,

691
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,080
more rapid in their progression
and things like that.

692
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,000
But there's always individual
variability.

693
00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:17,000
And so I always try and retain
the most optimism because we

694
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,960
often see stuff, you know, we
often see better outcomes than

695
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:24,640
are projected.
But you know, I just guide

696
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,040
people the best I can with the
experience that I have of how

697
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:35,280
certain cancers tend to, you
know, tend to act, but always

698
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,600
with optimism that the tools we
have are almost always going to

699
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,720
get the pet not only more
longevity, but importantly, more

700
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,960
quality.
And, and actually, Jessica, on

701
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,840
many occasions, which is so
exciting.

702
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,720
I've had people come to me if
they weren't doing holistic

703
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:53,560
already for their pet,
especially, and they come

704
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,320
looking for holistic or
integrative care for their pet

705
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,480
because their pets been
diagnosed with cancer.

706
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,040
I've had many pet, many patients
over the years where literally

707
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:07,120
3, six months down the line
after the cancer diagnosis, the

708
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,280
pet parents are like, my dog is
healthier now than they were

709
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,040
freaking two years ago before
the cancer, you know, and so

710
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,880
that can happen too.
And again, you know,

711
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,960
everything's different and, and
rates of things can or you know,

712
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:23,280
rapid movement of things can be
different, but that happens

713
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,160
enough times to where it's so
rewarding.

714
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,320
Yeah.
Well, and it is kind of a sad

715
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,200
thing to think like we have to
have something oftentimes, not

716
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,480
always, but oftentimes we have
to have something so horrible

717
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,120
happen to lead us down this road
to find all of these wonderful

718
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,680
things and and bring us back
really to to nature because what

719
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,720
we're doing right now is the
experiment that is failing.

720
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,960
But also like I really, they
like to look at it as everything

721
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,200
is a lesson in life and some
lessons are harder than others.

722
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,640
But it's all here.
It's all designed to, you know,

723
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:09,120
teach us to make us better.
And that dog that got cancer,

724
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,600
that dog that maybe didn't live
as long as you had hoped or had

725
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,800
some other disease and you
really went through it like you

726
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,240
were really drug through the
wringer.

727
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:23,480
But it taught you so much.
And maybe that dog was brought

728
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,480
here because now you have all
these other dogs you're going to

729
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,960
have later on in your life that
you're going to do so much

730
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,560
better for because you've
learned so much with that dog.

731
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,640
And I just, I, I like to look at
things that way.

732
00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:39,000
Beautifully said.
I I do as well and it really is

733
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,440
accurate, but it's, it's sort of
a, an overall picture, a big

734
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,600
picture that sometimes people
aren't seeing.

735
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,120
So it's beautiful to to bring
that up because IA 100% agree.

736
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,440
You know, everything that
happens to us or you know,

737
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,040
alongside of us that we learn
through allows us to do better

738
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,760
as we move forward and, you
know, help more pets and help

739
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,640
ourselves and help other family
members.

740
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,840
I mean, we really just such
growth and sex, such expansion,

741
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,040
every time we go through an
unwanted or a painful process,

742
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:17,240
you know, we reach new heights
and you know, a lot of times it

743
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:21,720
gives us more, more purpose and
more motivation to, you know,

744
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:25,120
learn more and take different
actions, make different

745
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,200
decisions.
And that's a that's an

746
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,520
empowering thing.
It is, it is.

747
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:34,360
I think so much of what we
talked about today is very, I

748
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,520
mean, just like I said at the
very beginning, like

749
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:44,560
understanding that 90 plus
percent of this is lifestyle is

750
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:50,080
diet, exercise, removing toxins
from the air, from the water,

751
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:56,520
from your home is so empowering.
And like a lot of times when we

752
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,320
talk about cancer, it seems like
such a sad thing to talk about

753
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,520
and such a like melancholy like
we got to talk about cancer now.

754
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:11,200
But like looking at in in that
there is so much that we

755
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:17,360
actually can do to create
positive change in our lives and

756
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:23,000
our pets lives like that's.
It is.

757
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,880
It's nice to tap into that
strength, you know, aspect

758
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,840
because, you know, knowledge is
power and we're learning so much

759
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,560
about how these things that
we're discussing today, how much

760
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,600
impact they truly have.
And you know, once we know that,

761
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,720
then you know it, it's, it's
much more enjoyable to take

762
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:44,600
those action steps because we
know we're really making a

763
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,120
difference for our pets and
ourselves.

764
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,840
Yeah, and I'm glad.
So I want to, I want you to talk

765
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,200
about, you know, you cuz you do,
you mentioned you do telehealth

766
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,000
and online things.
You have an online store.

767
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,120
I want you to talk about all of
that.

768
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,120
But really quickly you brought
up Doctor Mindy Peltz, who I

769
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,800
absolutely love.
I'm actually so I read fast like

770
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,760
a girl, I don't know, like two
years ago.

771
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,960
And it has made such a huge
difference in my life to fast

772
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,960
like a girl, not just fast, but
fast like a girl.

773
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,040
And I'm currently reading Eat
like a Girl.

774
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:22,160
And it's just so like so amazing
the things that we can do for

775
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,480
our bodies and how much control
we have over them.

776
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:29,720
And another account that I would
really love people to pay some

777
00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,640
attention to because I think it
ties so much into what you're

778
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:41,040
talking about with how it's all
connected and how our health,

779
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,640
our, our dog's health, we say
our, you know, our pets health

780
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,000
kind of mirror our human health.
I think it's probably a lot

781
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,040
worse actually in our pets.
But our health is a reflection

782
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,080
of the health of the earth, of
the planet.

783
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,560
Doctor Callie Means talks a lot
about that.

784
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,480
So if I could put people on to
like following her as well, I

785
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,440
think that's a really incredible
resource to learn more about the

786
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,920
interconnectedness of us all.
Yes.

787
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,480
And cleaning everything up.
Cleaning up.

788
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,640
Not just ourselves, not just our
pets, but cleaning up the earth,

789
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,240
cleaning up.
Absolutely.

790
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,920
And I'm so glad you spent a
moment, you know, bringing

791
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,080
those, you know, experts into
the conversation to.

792
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,400
There's such not only leading
authorities on the on these

793
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:35,720
topics, but, you know, they're,
they're so helpful and, you

794
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:38,800
know, so supportive in getting
these messages and this

795
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,840
information to people so that we
can, you know, take these action

796
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,120
steps to to help ourselves and,
and really collectively, then

797
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,560
therefore the planet and the and
the population.

798
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,840
And so phenomenal resources.
And yeah, I'm, you know, reading

799
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,080
both books.
I follow her podcasts and

800
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,160
everything from Doctor Mindy
Pals and Doctor Means as well.

801
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,520
So really good, really good
resources all the way around.

802
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,440
So we talked a little bit.
You are in San Diego County, but

803
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,280
you do telehealth.
So we're like, what kind of

804
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,120
things can you offer to pet
parents who may not be in

805
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,720
California at all?
Yeah, thank you for asking.

806
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,880
So really, I would say
surprisingly, although I'm not

807
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,200
surprised anymore, but
surprisingly for a lot of

808
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,320
people, a lot of pet parents,
telehealth or telemedicine is

809
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:38,280
remarkably useful and effective.
I have assisted, supported

810
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:43,080
hundreds and hundreds, I mean
thousands of pets literally

811
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:48,800
without ever seeing them in
person because, you know,

812
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,720
usually from a holistic or
integrative standpoint.

813
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:55,760
Oftentimes my biggest value to
people is to help support them

814
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,280
with a plan of action.
That plan can include dietary

815
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,240
changes, it can include
supplements, it can include

816
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:05,600
testing like vitamin D and
omega-3, that sort of thing.

817
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,160
You know, even with when people
come to me locally, because I

818
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,440
specialize in holistic, I always
tell people you still need to

819
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,440
have a primary veterinarian.
You still need to have a

820
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,280
veterinarian that does General
Services because I don't offer

821
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,800
those.
You know, I'm very specialized

822
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,720
and streamlined.
So when it comes to

823
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:26,840
telemedicine, all of my, you
know, clients would have a

824
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,800
primary veterinarian and
sometimes specialists, obviously

825
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,040
sometimes numerous specialists,
you know, they'll have a

826
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,600
cardiologist and a dermatologist
and an oncologist, etcetera.

827
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,360
But in conventional medicine, I
think a lot of us are aware of

828
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:45,800
the fact that there's rarely a
doctor on the the healthcare

829
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,200
team of a person or a pet that's
overseeing everything.

830
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,200
You know, you have all these
specialists and you know, and,

831
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:58,520
and for somebody to sort of put
that all together and customize

832
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,280
a plan of action and a Wellness
support plan for that individual

833
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:07,640
is so valuable.
And so I get to be that, you

834
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,680
know, that person and provide
that value.

835
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,160
And I take, you know, all the
records, you know, all the

836
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,960
records that get sent to me from
any of the veterinarians that

837
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,480
these pets have seen.
And I've got all the

838
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,120
documentation of the physical
exams or any labs that were

839
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,240
done.
And I assess all of that and

840
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,480
then meet with the pet parent,
go through a very detailed

841
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,360
discussion together on Zoom or
on the phone, and then help to

842
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,320
formulate a plan of action.
Where do we go next from here?

843
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,560
And then generally, if there's a
lot of significant stuff going

844
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,440
off, it's just a little
preventative health, you know,

845
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,480
information then, you know,
people can just tap back into me

846
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,200
as needed.
But often times, of course,

847
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,240
people are finding me because
their pet has a, you know,

848
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:48,840
condition or a chronic
condition.

849
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:53,840
And so in those kinds of cases
then, but I really like to, you

850
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,520
know, inform people of the, the
outcome is generally going to be

851
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,440
much better when we can do
follow up.

852
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,120
So those are important as well
is to, you know, check back in

853
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,000
every month or two until the pet
is doing better.

854
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,400
And that can, you know,
obviously vary, but it is it is

855
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,200
really amazing how telemedicine
works for this.

856
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,120
Well, I think it's amazing that
you're doing it because as you

857
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:25,040
mentioned, there isn't that,
like generally speaking, that

858
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,840
one person that's overseeing at
all.

859
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,360
I know so many people.
I mean, I have multiple

860
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,640
veterinarians for healthy
animals.

861
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:37,080
So like, I, I mean, I feel
empowered that I know enough

862
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,640
that I kind of manage it all and
I can manage between all of it.

863
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,520
But most parents, it's just not
like you've got your job, you've

864
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,640
got your kids, you're running
around, you've got all these

865
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:47,560
things right?
Like you.

866
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:53,040
How do you have the time, the
bandwidth, the capacity to

867
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,680
handle all that, to manage all
that, especially if your pet is

868
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,080
dealing with some sort of
chronic illness?

869
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:05,000
And so having somebody who can
manage all of that and steer you

870
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:11,080
in the right direction that hope
hopefully a more, you know,

871
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,200
holistic approach or at least
integrative.

872
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,840
Approach to I love how you said
that it is really steering

873
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,240
people in the right direction
and either pulling in tools and

874
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,880
recommendations from the
integrative holistic realm and

875
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,840
on occasion steering them to a
specialist that their pet needs.

876
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,160
You know, does your pet need a,
a cardiac ultrasound or an

877
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,200
echocardiogram so that we really
know what's going on so that we

878
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,840
can affect your pet best from a
holistic angle and or

879
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,160
conventional angle?
Or do they need an internal

880
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,600
medicine specialist for some
diagnostics to get us, you know,

881
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,040
holistic and integrative people?
We love testing and you know,

882
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,440
anytime we got information from
testing, we can be more valuable

883
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,880
to that pet to support them with
what they need in a customized

884
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,880
plan.
So a lot of times it is just

885
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,360
steering them in the right
direction and supporting them

886
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,200
from a broad scope of all that
information being, you know, put

887
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,480
together.
So, well, where can people find

888
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,640
you to engage in?
This so on our website

889
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:18,880
whichisintthatcare.com, so
INTVET care.com int that care is

890
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,560
also our social media.
We have int that care and then

891
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,680
Dr. Katie Kangas and then I also
just started my own product line

892
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,800
after all these years.
I've been wanting to do this for

893
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,800
quite some time and just started
my own product line and that

894
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,240
company is called Share Your
Bowl.

895
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,960
And the premises behind that is
that the products that I'm

896
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:47,880
creating really are, you know,
indicated or appropriate for

897
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,480
people as well as pets.
So, and that was sort of born

898
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,960
out of, you know, all this, all
the years that my team heard me

899
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,120
saying, Oh, you know, this is
great for your pet.

900
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,480
This is made for pets, but it
works really well for people

901
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,000
too.
So feel free to, you know, share

902
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,440
this with your dog or hey, this
is made for humans, but we use

903
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,400
it in pets.
So feel free to share with your

904
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,000
pet and you know, the food and
all the stuff that you know,

905
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,760
they, we recommend for them that
we should be eating the bone

906
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,040
broth and the fermented foods
and all these sort of things.

907
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:19,360
So that's where Share Your Bowl
was born with that concept.

908
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,440
And we have several products
including homeopathy, dental and

909
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,200
gingival care.
More products coming, but we

910
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:31,880
just released some healthy spice
blends that are for dogs and

911
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,760
humans.
And you can shake them on your

912
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,560
food and then shake them in your
dog's bowl.

913
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:41,120
And we have a turmeric
anti-inflammatory blend.

914
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,480
And these, by the way, those
spices have sprouted superfoods

915
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,000
in them.
So sprouted from chia seed and

916
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:51,240
hemp seed and sunflower seed,
etcetera, to all kinds of, you

917
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:52,800
know, medicinal herbs and
spices.

918
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,400
And they're so tasty.
So it's really fun for people to

919
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,760
try them or use them I should
say too.

920
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,800
But as soon as you taste them,
like, Oh my God, I'm totally

921
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,160
using this.
And then we also have a black

922
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,280
truffle, you know, blend that is
our antioxidant blend because

923
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,440
like mushrooms have, the truffle
has a lot of antioxidant

924
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:15,360
medicinal properties too.
That's so exciting I I need this

925
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,000
more than my pets do.
And I, you know, and, and the

926
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,680
fun thing about that particular,
those products is that I've had

927
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,040
so many people tell me over the
years, you know, I, I home cook

928
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:28,920
for my pet or I prepare my pet's
food.

929
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,120
But you know, I'm, I, I never
add spices and I never and you

930
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,960
know, most of our community
already knows this from

931
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,760
wonderful resources like forever
dog and the the new, you know,

932
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,560
cookbook as well.
But let's you know, there's no

933
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:48,080
reason to avoid spices like
they're, you know, a problem for

934
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,000
pet food.
They're actually very medicinal

935
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,280
and you know that there's
occasions where you might need

936
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,600
to feed bland for, you know,
certain temporary things.

937
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:01,080
But in general, I think spices
are very under, you know,

938
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,760
recognized amazing health tool
that can not only enhance health

939
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,600
but enhance flavor.
And it's just so much, so much

940
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,920
more fun.
Yes, it is fun to play around

941
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,760
with the bowl and I products
that I can use on me and my dog

942
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,960
and my cats.
Those are my favorite, hands

943
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,520
down.
They are my favorite.

944
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:27,040
I go for them before anything at
like there are certain ones.

945
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,120
I remember back in July at
Nautical Dog, we were talking

946
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,600
about the two Crazy Cat Ladies
product line and they are like I

947
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,320
I swear by their product line
because I literally will use

948
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,200
every pretty much every single
item they have for me and my dog

949
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:44,440
and my cat.
Isn't that great?

950
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,240
Yep, I love that too.
Seriously.

951
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:49,120
You know, I'm putting Sages bowl
together.

952
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,520
It's like some for you, some for
me.

953
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:51,960
Here's your mushrooms.
Here's my mushrooms.

954
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,240
Here's you know, so yeah, it's a
beautiful concept of, you know,

955
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:00,320
that for full circle health in
the family and you know, really

956
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,240
just joining in that connection
is, you know, and then and then

957
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:07,520
just the love in sharing it too.
And that intention that goes

958
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,640
into it just helps all the more
vibrationally for our health and

959
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:15,040
our pets health.
And I know I gotta let you go,

960
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,120
but just because I brought up
Williamsburg, I know you're

961
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,160
going to be speaking next year
at the More You Know Pet

962
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,600
Wellness Summit and I'm super
excited to see you there again.

963
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:28,640
I.
Know I'm looking.

964
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,880
Forward to.
I do not.

965
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:34,280
So Amanda Wilburn and I will
have that conversation.

966
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,840
I'm not sure.
I may.

967
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,000
Well, I don't.
I don't want to say.

968
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,640
I guess I'll wait so that it's a
surprise.

969
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:41,480
Yeah.
So.

970
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,480
She'll probably like announce it
on a live or something.

971
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,840
Going through a couple different
topics and I'll let her decide.

972
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,160
Yeah, awesome.
Well, I can't wait.

973
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,520
And I just want to thank you so
much for your time, for your

974
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,240
knowledge, for being so willing
to put this information out for

975
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:59,600
pet parents and for everything
that you're doing.

976
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:00,400
Thank you.
So.

977
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:03,880
Thank you and thank you for, you
know, being a conduit for

978
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:06,880
getting this information out,
and I'm so happy to join you.

979
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,600
Thank you, Jessica.
Well guys, if you have any other

980
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,280
questions feel free to DM me.
And please, if you don't

981
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,240
already, follow Doctor Katie
Kangas.

982
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,520
She has all of the all of the
links in vet care, Doctor Katie

983
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:25,280
Kangas and share your bowl,
share your bowl, check them all

984
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,520
out.
And thank you again so much.

985
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:30,040
You guys have a wonderful rest
of your day.

986
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,160
You, everyone.