175. Dog Health: What Do HERBS Have To Do With It?

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Doctor Chris Besant, who is the
founder and formulator of Herb

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Smith Medicus Veterinary Diets
and the Simple Food Project, was

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kind enough to grace us with her
incredible, incredible wealth of

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knowledge once again on the Pet
Health Junkies podcast.

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And because of that, I again do
not want anyone to miss this

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incredibly invaluable
information.

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This week we talked mostly about
herbs, and I am just fascinated

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with herbs.
I have to say it's one of the

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things that is very prominent At
the top of my list for 2025 is

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really diving deeper into herbs
and herbal therapy because plant

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medicine is not new.
It is the original medicine and

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it is so powerful, can be
incredibly powerful, but also

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can be very gentle, which we all
know we all need.

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And it can be really hard to try
new things with our pets when we

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think that maybe something can
go horribly wrong.

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And for the most part, a lot of
herbs, especially in the base

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herb Smith line, are so
incredibly gentle and safe.

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And I just can't, can't hold
this back from the pet parenting

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reset community.
I know some of you guys may

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listen to pet health junkies.
Most of you do not.

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So I want to make sure that
you're getting any and

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everything that I put out
because it is all so valuable.

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I can't wait for you to hear
Doctor Chris Besson again.

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And we talk a little bit about
omegas as well, which is really

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cool.
I think that, you know, she had

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no idea that Judah was recently
on the podcast and gave us like

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a master class in omegas.
But as a veterinarian, as

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someone who practiced for
decades and is still practicing

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the some, she is trying I think
to at least semi retire.

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But that's hard and I get that,
especially when you love what

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you do.
She has so much incredible

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information to give us and herbs
are just one of the many things

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that we have at our disposal and
I think don't utilize enough.

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I know it's one thing that I
want to look at more and more

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every time I take on a new case,
every time something happens

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with me or one of my pets
because again, when we look to

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nature, nature provides.
So here is the most recent

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episode of Pet Health Junkies on
the pet parenting reset.

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This one is with Doctor Chris
Besson.

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Welcome back, pet parent.
We are so, so lucky today to

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have Doctor Chris Descent coming
back on the show to talk to us.

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We had an incredible episode
with her.

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We talked about prescription
diets the last time and she so

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generously agreed to come back
because she just has so much

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great information for us.
Even Pam, Janet and I are just

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like, what can you teach me?
But also for just every pet

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parent out there.
So Doctor Chris lesson, we're

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going to talk to you today about
herbs and I'm so excited to have

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you back.
Thank you so much for joining us

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again.
Absolutely.

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Thank you for having me.
Of course, I know Pam, Janet

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have plenty of questions to ask
you and I just wanted, I was

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hoping to kind of start out one
of the things that I really try

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to practice in my life and
therefore be able to pass that

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on to other people I talked to,
to clients, to whomever is that

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nature provides.
So to always look to nature 1st

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and that kind of, you were just
talking a little bit earlier

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before we hit record about how
you want to start with like what

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is the, the absolute least, you
know, side effect thing I can

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do?
And then move up to wherever

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your body needs you to go.
And I think that's a perfect way

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to start because herbs are what
nature gives us.

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Like that is the original
medicine.

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It's not an alternative medicine
like a lot of people would have

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us believe.
It's the original medicine.

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And I just, I would love to hear
your point of view on that, if

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you don't mind.
Yeah, absolutely.

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When I got into this, I was a
veterinarian, but I didn't

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really grow up in this holistic
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I grew up in a typical American
family where you used

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pharmaceuticals when you needed
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We ate OK, but I don't think it
was a big focus.

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But I really saw it with my
patients and that patients who

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ate well, healed well and lived
well.

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The route to that was less
pharmaceuticals because they

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were doing such a great job with
nutrition on a daily basis.

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And you're absolutely right, the
majority of time we should get

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everything we need.
Micro, macro nutrients,

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nutraceuticals, phytonutrients,
all of that should be in the

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food that we consume and that if
our food was as packed with the

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nutrients as it should be, we
wouldn't need anything else.

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But but let's say it's not.
Then to me, the next step is

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more targeted nutrition.
So for a young puppy or a young

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kitten who's growing, we know
their brain is massively

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developing and that the brain is
made-up of so much of it as fat

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and omega-3 fatty acids really
support brain growth.

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There's no question in my mind
that young kittens, puppies,

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even growing dogs until they're
mature should be getting

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elevated levels of omega-3 fatty
acids, particularly DHA, which

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is one of the active forms.
So you can get that from grass

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fed meats, you can get that from
seafood.

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And then I would say within
seafoods, I would tend to pick

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things that are lower on the
food chain.

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Salmon is a giant fish, and so
it eats all sorts, all sorts of

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other fish.
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toxins because toxins are often
times linked to fat.

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And so as this big fish is
eating all these little fish,

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it's consuming all the toxins
they've been consumed.

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So staying with something like
krill, which is a itty bitty

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teeny little aquatic species or
algae is probably the furious

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least toxin bound omega-3 fatty
absence.

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So we can really make a huge
difference with food alone.

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And that really has kind of
really shaped my veterinary

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career.
Is that number one, what are

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they eating?
And is it a clean source or is

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it not so clean?
And if it's not so clean, how

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many different toxins are you
taking in?

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And are you getting, you might
be getting the macro

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micronutrients, but are you
getting antioxidants and Omega

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threes and all the other things
that we absolutely need?

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And then as you said, you go
from things that are non-toxic

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food and then I would move to
herbs and then herbs and

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lifestyle changes, things like
that.

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And then possibly some
pharmaceuticals things that are

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short term use for specific
issues.

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And then if you really need it
to go to surgery.

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Absolutely.
Thank God that we have it.

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And but I feel, and I, and I've
seen this throughout my

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veterinary, just that pets that
eat well have this really solid

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pyramid of health because they
ate well.

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So their tissue is healthy and
their bodies are healthy and

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their organs are healthy.
So if they have to go through a

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surgery, if they have to
withstand anesthesia, they're

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better suited to be able to do
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So their recovery is better.
And I saw that as a veterinarian

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because it made me look so good.
The pet parents who fed their

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animals really fabulous, Those
animals healed so quickly.

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And the pet parents who for
whatever reason, no judgment why

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they couldn't feed them as well,
those animals did not heal well,

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and they were much harder to get
them back into a place of health

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again.
Yeah, it's not that it couldn't

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happen.
It just took more because their

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foundation wasn't just strong.
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Well, and I want to let you guys
loose, but you said one thing

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that I really want, I'm hoping
to touch on really quickly.

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And we did kind of talk about it
a little bit the last time when

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we were talking about the
quality of food used in pet

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food, specifically pet feed pet
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But you just said that we ate OK
when you were growing up, but it

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wasn't a big focus.
And I feel like so many of us

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feel that way.
And I hear the exact same thing

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from a lot of people in regards
to their dog saying of my

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childhood dog or my parents dogs
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They ate old Roy or whatever,
Purina forever and they were

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totally fine.
And I think that kind of ties in

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a lot to the changes that we've
seen in the quality of

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ingredients going into pet food,
but also the fact that just the

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baseline of food that we have
now as a country, like our

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baseline of food when we walk
into the grocery store is not as

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nutrient dense as it was even 50
some plus years ago.

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So we have to take all of those
things into account as to why

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it's just not that easy anymore.
I agree 100%.

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I think that I think that we
live in a really toxic world and

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it's only getting more toxic.
I, I think we live in a world

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where we're not really investing
back into fertilizer for our

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soils.
So if you compared the nutrient

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content of, let's say wheat from
the fees compared to nutrient

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content, now it's dramatically
different for people as well As

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for animals.
So yeah, I think that I've

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always felt this and I, I know
you guys will resonate with this

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as well, that animals are the
Canary in the coal line that

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what is happening with our dogs
and our cats with chronic

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disease is absolutely happening
with our people as well.

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A dog and a cat, we see it so
much quicker because they have

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such a shorter lifespan.
So a chronic disease in a dog

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and a cat is seen at 7-8, nine
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disease in humans is in the 40s,
fifties, 60s.

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It's the same thing.
It's that an area in the coal

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mine effect, which I think we
need to pay a lot more attention

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to.
Like I was just on a really

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amazing podcast of for human
Health and why did she have me

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on there speaking about it?
Because she understood that what

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happens in animals is happening
in our people and because of

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their short lifespan, we see
that whole dynamic her in a 15

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year time period, not in a 70
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harder to make the transition
and the gradual condition of

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going on to more and more
chronic diseases takes longer.

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And it's not so obvious we're in
pets.

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It's obvious and, and as I've
said before, and you guys I'm

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sure feel the same, that cats
are the most nutritionally

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abused creatures ever, anywhere.
Like since we domesticated them,

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we now treat them like
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omnivores.
And the majority of chronic

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disease that occurs within cats
is exactly that, because we're

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feeding them like omnivores and
not like carnivores, as well as

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the low grade toxicities that
are in our food every day that

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we eat.
And so do we have.

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So herbs, you mentioned herbs
and lifestyle are what you would

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go to right after diet.
And we, I mean, obviously we

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just constantly talk about diet
because I think we all agree it

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is the foundation.
So moving on to herbs.

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I know Janet, I know you had a
ton of questions.

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Could you?
Well, you have the store, you

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have the shops.
So you have these people, yes,

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are in and out every day looking
at Herb Smith on the wall going.

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What's that?
What's that?

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Why do I need that?
Hopefully if not, we're really

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good at suggesting and asking
questions.

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But yes, so I would, I'm looking
at my list of questions over

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here.
But going back to what you said,

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Doctor Besant, about the
different requirements that

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puppies have versus, you know,
adult versus senior.

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And then before we started
recording, we were talking about

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my new puppy Hope, who's 14
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And I want to share with the
audience that I already have

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started her at 12 weeks of age
on Doctor Besant's supplement,

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which is Creole.
It's 100% crushed Creole.

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And one of the things I
appreciate and really respect

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about your line, which is called
Herb Smith listeners.

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What I respect about it, Doctor
Besson is that you are such a

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stickler in the very best
possible way.

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Meaning of the word for no
synthetics none 0 and in many of

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yours you don't even have
inactive ingredients.

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You do not have fillers.
So when when pet parents are

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purchasing your herb herbal
products, they know exactly what

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they're getting and they get
their money's worth because I

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have, as all of us have, we've
evaluated so many herbs.

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And a funny story is shortly
after I'd started my store, I

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probably was three years in and
my I came home and my husband

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had purchased something off of
Facebook and he bought 3.

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You know, he did the he can give
you this deal now.

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And if you buy a second bottle,
we'll get it to you at this

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percent.
And if you buy a third bottle,

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we'll give it to you for free.
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and sinker for that which I came
home and of course, y'all that

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know me, I am like even kill
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grams or it was or milligrams, I
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and like. 4.
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ingredients in 116 were nothing
and you know it spent 90 bucks

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or something like that.
So I wrote them an e-mail to let

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them know my opinion and what I
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the consumer and most
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You know you are stealing from
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from the pets lives because this
product is not what you claim in

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your marketing.
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about your product and how you
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I really respect it and want to
say thank.

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You on behalf.
Of all the pet parents.

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It was, it was such a common
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parents would bring their dogs
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practice, say they're 10 years
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glucosamine supplement to
nourish their, their joints and

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to increase the thickness and
the viscosity of the joint

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fluid.
And you would tell me proudly

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that they've been buying from a
big box store for the pets into

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their life.
And then we would quickly look

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it up and it was, it was not
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It was just a trace of it so
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the math.
They should be able to say that

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if it has hip and joint on it,
that it's at a therapeutic level

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for hip and joint.
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law.
The law is it just has to be the

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presence that it to the
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And I can tell you, I, I'm so
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that we do that because it cost
us a lot, lot, lot more.

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You make a good product that is
therapeutic levels.

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And you know, I went through a
whole PowerPoint of comparing

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the math that at bag of hip and
joint chews, it has very little

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glucosamine.
You'd have to feed like 4 bags a

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day to be equivalent to what a
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And then I'd say, OK, this
container that cost $35 seems

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like a lot of money.
But now you have to buy these

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bags, four of them a day at 6
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So that's $24.00 a day for an,
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OK, to get to a therapeutic
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What, what are you at now?
It's a ridiculous amount of

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money.
And you're right.

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And the, the person who really
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really suffers is the dog
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what the owner thought that they
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And, and that was a big impetus
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because I was like, this is just
fraud.

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It's just, and then of course,
coming into the retail world and

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flat out just saying that I
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it was close because nobody
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But thank God there's people
like you that run really good

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stores that you do them at so
that your pet parents can get

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what they really think they're
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And, and it might seem like they
pay a lot, but in reality, it's

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not even close to what it would
be if you had to try to get it

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with a more diluted.
And unfortunately, that's tons

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of money because they didn't put
it into the product, they put it

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into marketing.
They put it into the marketing,

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into their pockets and you know,
to your point about, you know,

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the pet, I'll tell you a
testimonial.

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I have a 13 year old Australian
Shepherd and CCL surgery when he

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was four years old and five
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Yet the one, the second one
followed 10 months later and he

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recovered beautifully.
However, I was thinking down the

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road, OK, what is this going to
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and, and he's a standard size
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So he's, you know, 65 lbs.
And so thankfully I came across

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your product and I wish that I
could remember the how and my my

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origin story with coming before
Herb Smith in front of it.

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And but I can't remember right
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But anyhow, I started him on
that as a preventative, you

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know, and too often we hear from
pet parents and we're like,

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well, you know, my, my pets 10
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So I want to start something
like sound dog viscosity for hip

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and joint.
And it's really a great day when

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we're visiting with our pet
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pets and we share what we know
with them about preventative

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care and they see it, they see
the future and they get it.

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So in Charlie's case, here we
are four and five, and then he's

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in for his senior appointment
and she did X-rays to see how he

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looked as far as arthritis went.
And she was shocked.

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And the vet I see is somewhat
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So I, I, she's excellent.
She's open minded.

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She knows a little bit about
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integrative modalities.
And what I appreciate about her

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is that I go in with my
research, I go in with my

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questions.
And she's never backed down or

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shield away.
And she's open minded and she

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understands how I want to take
care of my 5 pets.

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And she respects that and lets
me take the lead, if you will,

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and gives me advice.
And like you said, occasionally

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though, we need to step in with
traditional medicine.

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But anyhow, I'll, I'll stop.
He had 0 signs of arthritis in

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his knees, his hips, his back,
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And at 13 years of age and I'm
just that just, it makes me feel

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really, really good because I'm
so happy for him for.

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Charlie And the wonderful part
is that that that's the sort of

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thing that really sticks in that
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And so she might not tell you,
but I'm sure she's recommending

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it to all of her patients.
That's kind of how I came about.

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All of this is, again, not to be
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is going to give me the most
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walks through my door.
And with that came chiropractic

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and acupuncture and using herbs
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All I really cared about was
being a good vet.

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And I wanted to have as many
tools possible with the, with

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the thought process of being the
least toxic tools possible 1st

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and then gradually move into
things that are maybe harsher,

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more toxicity, but they're also
stronger and needed at that

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time.
But yeah, your story people

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share.
People shared with me stories

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like that when I was just
starting to learn this, this

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light bulb kept going off saying
there's something to this stuff.

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And then I went and got the best
certifications in the world.

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And like you talk about it every
day.

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Yeah.
So can you talk to us about some

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of the most common issues that
pets will face and then what

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herbs and, you know, herbal
supplements you would recommend

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that our listeners go and, you
know, look into and research?

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That's a big question.
It is.

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I know.
And I showed you our shelf

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before we started because I
mean, we don't carry your full

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line, but we carry a lot of it.
And it was the same for me.

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I'm like, OK, what?
And for example, we always talk

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about the gut because 80% of the
immune system is in the gut.

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So it's like that is a core
herbal supplement in our store.

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And so that's kind of where I'm
coming from.

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Yeah.
So let's talk about that.

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I would, I would say #1 is
supporting health and Wellness.

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So keeping that dog who is not
having any problems from getting

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problems and it's kind of
looking at food and where's

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their shortcomings and and then
looking at the stage of life

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that they're in.
So as a young dog, I agree with

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you 100%.
We need to protect their

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microbiome and we need to
constantly be enhanced.

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So it's such a dynamic process
that's going on.

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So you'll hear stories about one
dose of metronidazole for

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diarrhea just blows out all of
the good bacteria within the

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gut.
You win out.

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Is it is it worth it or is it
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always coming back as well.
So, you know, how does how does

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a puppy inoculate their gut?
Because of course they don't

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have any bacteria within their
body when they're in utero,

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because otherwise they would
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So they're completely sterile
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But then they get all their,
they get the microbiome that the

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bacteria that sets up shop
within their gut from the tissue

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of the bomb.
So when they're nursing, there's

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bacteria around the nipple and
around the mammary tissue that

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they're licking and ingesting.
And then they're chewing on this

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and they're chewing on that.
That's all good, normal, healthy

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things that puppies need to do
to, to inoculate their gut.

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And then we can come.
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right, they would be the mom
would be catching the rabbit and

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bring it back and then the
puppies would be chewing on it

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and they would, they would eat
the gut contents, which would

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have bacteria.
They would eat the hair, which

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would be fiber, but it also has
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But we feed sterile food and
that could be a show in itself

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because it needs to be sterile,
in my opinion, as well as the

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FDA's.
And the reason being is not that

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the bacteria is bad, but because
that food could sit in, it could

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sit in a warehouse for six
months and then it might go to

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your store and sit there for a
month, six weeks, and then

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finally get to the pet parent.
And then the pet parent opens

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that container and it could be
six weeks of feeding from that

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container.
So if bacteria were in there

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from the beginning from the
manufacturer, it would have this

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closed environment that bacteria
would grow, grow, grow, grow,

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grow.
So by the time you opened it,

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it'd be pretty rotted and be so
linked with bad bacteria because

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you've got to think of any time
there's bacteria, it's like this

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culture, this fight, this war of
good bacteria and bad bacteria

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and bad bacteria would tend to
win out.

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So now all of a sudden you open
this bag and it's filled with

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salmonella that's not great for
your pet.

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So because of the fact that we
food is not consumed immediately

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that it could be six months or a
year before it's actually

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consumed, it needs to be sterile
clean.

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So we have to re inoculate the
gut with bacteria.

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And so chewing on things
fabulous lick mats, amazing,

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licking each other great, that's
all developing bacteria that's

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going into their gut.
And then we can utilize

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supplements like microflora to
inoculate their gut with

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bacteria as well.
So because of the way we feed

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them, we have to, that's one of
those absolutely necessary

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supplements.
Another one is glucosamine.

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Because in the real world, what
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chewing on the bone endings and
the bone endings have chondritin

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in the cartilage.
It has hyaluronic acid in the

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fluid.
It has glucosamine in the in the

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fluid as well as in the
cartilage.

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It has collagen from the tendons
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So every day that puppy, that
young dog would be consuming

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those things.
But in the way that we produce

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food, we're not using the end
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Those are just getting thrown
away or getting ground up into a

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meat and bone meal or a bone
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So if we don't provide that as a
supplement, then there is

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endogenous production.
So there is production within

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the puppy's body, but if we want
to maximize it, if we want to

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make sure that the body has
everything it needs to support

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healthy joints, we have to add
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And then lastly, for a puppy,
DHA and omega-3 fatty acids is

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the brain is fat brain is true.
It's a lot of fat in your brain

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in a puppy's brain.
And for puppies to fully

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develop, they need to have high
omega-3 fatty acids,

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particularly DHA.
And DHA is one of those omega-3

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fatty acids that carnivores
aren't very good at converting

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it from plant based sources like
flaxseed or hemp seed.

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They eat that and they can't
convert it from the inactive

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form to the active form.
So it's a good source of oils,

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great, wonderful, but it's not a
great source of DHA.

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And I feel that all puppies need
to have ADHA source at least

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until they're young adults.
So depending on the breed, at

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least a year, maybe two years of
age and and then you could start

447
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:29,040
to say, OK, well now they also
need it because almost always

448
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,920
when there's DHA, there's EPA
and EPA is one of the other

449
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,680
Omega threes that is really
important for soft tissue and

450
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,440
the musculoskeletal system.
So it doesn't go, the need for

451
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,240
DHA doesn't go away, but now
there's an additional need for

452
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,200
EPA as well in the Omega three
sources.

453
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,960
So to me, I would agree with you
100%, Healthy, good, whole food.

454
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,160
But you need to, you need to
inoculate the gut and constantly

455
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,800
inoculate the gut because it's
always changing.

456
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,520
You need an high omega-3 source,
particularly something low on

457
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,000
the biodiversity or low in the
food chain, as well as a

458
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,760
glucosamine source.
Nice, great.

459
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,320
Do you have anything to add to
that?

460
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,240
Well, I was just going to say,
like, one of the common things

461
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,080
that cats deal with is bladder
issues.

462
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,640
Yes.
And thyroid issues, those would

463
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,360
be besides gut health, of
course, but those would be like

464
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,840
the two other biggies for cats
at least.

465
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,920
Yeah.
And I would say both of those

466
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:40,560
are nutrition induced.
They're both from chronic poor

467
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,920
nutrition.
The bladder, bladder issues is

468
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,440
cats are desert animals that
need to they need to drink.

469
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,960
They're thirst part of the brain
in a cat that tells us we're

470
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,040
thirsty or not thirsty is not
very sensitive in in the felines

471
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,920
versus a dog.
A dog, if they're dehydrated,

472
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,840
they'll just drink a lot.
A cat, if they're dehydrated,

473
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,360
they tend to develop, they
concentrate their urine, they

474
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,760
develop kidney issues, they
develop all sorts of issues

475
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,040
because they're chronically
dehydrated.

476
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,520
Because in reality, that cat
would have eaten a mouse or a

477
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,040
bird.
And that mouse or bird is, gosh,

478
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,280
78% moisture.
And so they're built to be

479
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,160
getting their moisture from
their food.

480
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,960
And when we're feeding them dry
tibble, they're not getting.

481
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,920
So they're chronically
dehydrated.

482
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,480
And I think hypothyroidism is
exactly the same.

483
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,680
It's high levels of iodine
throughout their lives.

484
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:50,080
It's the chronic heavy iodine
levels slowly but surely start

485
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,480
to affect the thyroid.
So now the thyroid is working in

486
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,480
OverDrive with all of this
iodine, and we need to bring

487
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,720
those iodine levels down.
And that will help to diminish

488
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,560
hyperthyroidism in cats because
hyperthyroid, too much thyroid,

489
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,400
it happens in old cats.
You don't see it in kittens, you

490
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,520
don't see it in young cats.
It's old tonic, so a meal or two

491
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,160
with too high of iodine is no
big deal, but every meal their

492
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,000
entire lives is a big deal.
And all that can get changed

493
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
with nutrition.
So that's not really a herb

494
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,760
thing.
But I would say that there

495
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,880
there's herbs that are about
supporting health and Wellness,

496
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,000
like cinnamon and ginger and
licorice for the gut.

497
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,400
And then there are herbs that
are the spectrum of herbs go

498
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,320
from things that are more like
food all the way to things that

499
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,880
are more like drug.
Yeah, I tend to work in that

500
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,800
middle ground where they they're
already getting good food, but

501
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,360
they need more.
So let's say it was a young dog,

502
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,800
a young Aussie who didn't get
DHA, didn't get krill when they

503
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,840
were puppies, and now they tend
to have anxiety.

504
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,520
Well, anxiety.
There's really wonderful Chinese

505
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:12,320
herbs that are all about calming
neurons and calming anxiety and

506
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,640
bringing that back under
control.

507
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,480
And I kind of likened an
animal's body as well as our

508
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,680
body as we're kind of rolling
down the road of life and for

509
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,120
whatever reason we bump off into
the ditch.

510
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:31,640
We had a horrible Co worker who
stresses us out or somebody

511
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,240
gave.
This would be my case.

512
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,480
Somebody gave me a big box of
chocolate and I gorged on them

513
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,760
and I feel like, you know.
Slippery Elm.

514
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,520
There's all these things that
kind of bounce you off the path

515
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,320
of health.
And then that's where I would

516
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:54,800
use targeted food, targeted
nutraceuticals, targeted herbs

517
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,760
to try to correct that long
before it keeps going off into

518
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,440
the ditch and then becomes
autoimmune diseases and cancers

519
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,000
and all of those other things.
And so in reality, using herbs

520
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,560
is proactive to support Wellner,
always trying to get you back on

521
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,520
the track of health and
Wellness.

522
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,120
So I had a wonderful, wonderful
clients that one particular day,

523
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:26,520
this fabulous little Aussie was
buy a phone pole and a flash of

524
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,280
lightning hit the phone pole and
was like really super loud.

525
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,040
The dog never had anxiety before
that, but he had this traumatic

526
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,240
experience and then he started
to develop anxiety.

527
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,960
So we used herbs on him and we
used herbs that were calming the

528
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,680
neurons, herbs that brought down
that anxious behavior and the

529
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,240
and the classical kind of neural
transmission that occurs within

530
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,680
the brain when anxiety happens.
And we only had to do it for

531
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,440
three months, 9, three months.
And.

532
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,120
And she said, he's perfect.
He's back to himself again.

533
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,680
Great.
Take him off of the herbs and

534
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,040
see how he is.
Herbs are kind of like food that

535
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,960
it's just this gradual
progression to health.

536
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,560
You don't give a herb a
pharmaceutical, you give it and

537
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,159
the next day or the next hour,
you're like, they're so much

538
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,639
better.
Herbs tend to take longer.

539
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,880
Yeah, but the same thing happens
when you stop them.

540
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,320
So in this particular patient,
we decided, OK, stop using

541
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,320
nerves because I don't think he
needs it anymore.

542
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,239
And we stopped.
And then watch him closely for

543
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,760
the next six weeks.
And if in the next six weeks, he

544
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,360
starts to amp up again, so now
he's starting to get nervous

545
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,560
about noises and he's starting
to follow you around the house

546
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,960
again, and he's starting to show
you early signs of anxiety.

547
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,560
It means he needs them longer.
If he doesn't, great, then then

548
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,880
that's all that it took to kind
of get him back on the right

549
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,920
path again.
And that's really kind of where

550
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,520
I see you guys and I see the
herbs that you have in your

551
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,840
store are all about that.
Trying to correct it before it

552
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:16,120
gets so bad that the bladder
issues and kiddies become

553
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,720
transitional cell personoma in
the bladder.

554
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,600
I mean how does that happen it
it happens with long term

555
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,280
chronic pH issues and and
changes to the cell within the

556
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,560
bladder that eventually mutate
and go on to be cancerous

557
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,720
formations and if we can correct
it sooner we can prevent those.

558
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:42,400
So you have a couple of bladder
products, Doctor Besson, and you

559
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,120
have a new one.
Do you want to talk about those?

560
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:46,640
Just a second.
Sure.

561
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:49,480
Yeah, we have two, we have.
Well, we have.

562
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,200
Three with the three now.
Yeah.

563
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,720
So we have kidney care, which is
Chinese herbs that are very

564
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:02,040
specific for increasing the
blood supply to the kidney and

565
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,320
healing the kidney.
Then we have bladder care, and

566
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,360
bladder care is all about
recurrent bladder infections and

567
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,600
that the reason bacteria invade
the bladder is because the

568
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,240
environment within the bladder
is perfect for bacteria to

569
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,080
invade.
So it's not that bacteria are

570
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:26,400
like bad and evil, it's more
that the environment of the

571
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,880
bladder is set up to allow
bacteria to invade.

572
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,240
So with a bad pH and an inflamed
lining within the bladder and

573
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:38,600
decrease urination because they
tend to be more dehydrated,

574
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,000
those things are like the
perfect scenario for bacteria to

575
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,920
grow.
So that's what bladder care is

576
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,560
all about, using herbs that are
anti-inflammatory, herbs that

577
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,360
are antibacterial, herbs that
are changing the pH and getting

578
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,800
the pH back to normal again.
And then we also produce bladder

579
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,680
pulled.
A bladder pulled is about

580
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,440
urinary incontinence.
It's not about like the young

581
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,960
puppy that super excited and
pees on your foot, that's just a

582
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,840
just happy puppy.
It's more about that older dog

583
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:19,480
that is decrease their level of
energy or chi and so they're not

584
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,400
holding their urine when they
sleep.

585
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:28,200
So it could be an older dog that
just is is really chi deficient.

586
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,320
So it could be a male or a
female, but often times it's

587
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,760
females that have had their
ovaries removed during their

588
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,720
spay process.
And when you remove the ovaries,

589
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:41,160
you remove all of the normal
hormones that you need, the

590
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,160
estrogens that you need to
maintain the tone to the

591
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,760
urethra.
So those three different herb

592
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,480
formulas are really specific for
that kind of stage in that

593
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,120
animal's life.
So bladder care is all about

594
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,160
cats.
I mean, cats like that.

595
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,520
If if I had to pick the one
formula that was best for cats,

596
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,400
it'd be bladder care, kidney
care, amazing combination of

597
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,040
herbs that have been used for
thousands of years in humans for

598
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,520
kidney issues.
And we've been using

599
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,560
veterinarians around the world
have been using that formula for

600
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,880
kidney patients forever.
In fact, kind of an interesting

601
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,560
story.
I went to the American Holistic

602
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:28,240
Veterinary Convention with
Medicus and I was like, this is

603
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,920
so exciting.
Whole food nutrition for

604
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,320
therapeutic, you know, and I was
so excited to bring it to the

605
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,320
world and I thought vets would
just be like thrilled.

606
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,360
They did not care.
I was possible.

607
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,360
Here's why.
Because they've already fixed it

608
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:51,200
with herbs.
So they didn't need a targeted

609
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:58,160
low phosphorus diet because they
were already using herbs that

610
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,960
healed the kidney.
And then the kidneys started to

611
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,400
function normally.
And it took me a minute.

612
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,120
I, I, I was taken aback by it.
But then I thought, wait, in my

613
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,880
veterinary practice, did I
recommend CD and these other

614
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,080
kibbles?
But I didn't.

615
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,080
And I mixed them off with, with
the herbs themselves.

616
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,360
And so then it dawned on me,
huh.

617
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,880
I got the wrong target audience,
the traditional veterinarians

618
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,240
that want to use nutrition as a
tool because they don't have the

619
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,000
herbs that us holistic
veterinarians have.

620
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,640
That was.
An aha moment.

621
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,760
It really, it was sad.
It burst my bubble, but I

622
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,840
survived and went OK, we're
going to change our marketing

623
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,080
here.
Regroup.

624
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,720
Yeah, yeah.
And kind of what we tried to do

625
00:39:46,720 --> 00:39:52,320
with Herb Smith is look at big
categories, disease and and

626
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,080
dysfunction.
And is it something that one

627
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:01,240
particular herbal formula works
really well for or for example,

628
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:05,160
in autoimmune diseases or in
cancer, there's not really just

629
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,400
one herbal formula that fixes
it.

630
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,400
It could be 20 different
formulas all dependent on what's

631
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,880
going on with that pet.
So you're never going to see a

632
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,320
cancer formula from Herb Smith
because there's not just one.

633
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,200
And we'd be doing.
Everybody a disservice to say

634
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,120
that it was because that's
something where you really need

635
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,880
to do a tongue and pulse
evaluation, a thorough exam, a

636
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:35,440
thorough history to figure out
where did we bump off the road

637
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:41,480
of life and and what field did
we drift off into that developed

638
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,880
that cancer and how can we bring
them back or at least how can we

639
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:48,240
make their lives as comfortable
as possible if it's been going

640
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,240
on for a long time.
Yeah.

641
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,920
So I want to ask you a question.
When you mentioned the patient,

642
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,560
I guess in this case it was the
little Aussie that had the

643
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,720
traumatic experience and became
anxious.

644
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:08,160
When you mentioned the herb, was
that one from your like truly

645
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,200
your traditional Chinese herbal
toolkit?

646
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,600
Not, yeah, the OK, not anything
that we seem like in the stores.

647
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,560
No, let me tell you that every
single thing that you have in

648
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,480
your pet store is from a
traditional formula.

649
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,560
Right.
So when I developed the Herb

650
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,480
Smith line, particularly for pet
stores, I said what are the

651
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,000
tried and true?
What are the formulas that all

652
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,880
veterinarians all over the world
use for?

653
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,560
In that one it was commshen.
It's commshen your store.

654
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,040
And if you were to go to the
traditional formula, it's called

655
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,640
Tianwan Bujendon.
OK.

656
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,800
A regular holistic vet would
send you home with a bottle of

657
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,040
Tianwan Bujendon.
What we wanted to do is bridge

658
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,280
that gap.
Yes, that is an amazing formula

659
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,360
that's super safe, that works
really well, that the Western

660
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,560
medicine is very close to the
Chinese medicine.

661
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,240
Any dog with anxiety, for the
most part, is going to get

662
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,680
better with this combination of
herbs.

663
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,760
And then we put a easy to say
name on it.

664
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:20,800
So then we put Calm Chen on it
so that people could say my dog

665
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,360
needs Calm Chen instead.
If they had to say my dog needs

666
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,760
Tianwan Bujandan, they wouldn't
do it because you wanted any.

667
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,920
Yeah, they'd have to sell it and
they would feel silly asking for

668
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,200
it.
So that's really how we kind of

669
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,440
brought it together.
So there are things like, like,

670
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,080
I would say that anxiety
function is the the number one

671
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,120
formula that most veterinarians
in the world use.

672
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:48,480
There's also another really
great formula that's more about

673
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,440
anxiety with aggression.
So if a dog has aggression and

674
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,120
anger and anxiety, the calm
chan's going to help.

675
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,920
It's not, it's not the ticket.
You've seen it when it's the

676
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,600
right one.
Yeah.

677
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,640
Boom.
Within like a week, they're

678
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,400
calling you and saying, I can't
believe how good my dog is.

679
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:13,280
For a dog that has anger issues.
There's another great formula

680
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,720
that's available that is very
commonly used for dogs with

681
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:20,360
anger aggression.
But that one is someone more

682
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,280
that you would need to be either
with a with a healthcare

683
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,720
professional or with the
veterinarian that would

684
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,920
recommend it.
Not so much because the herbs

685
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,040
would be hopsick or anything
like that.

686
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,160
They're extremely safe more
because now you're getting

687
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,960
involved and the potential for
somebody to get hurt.

688
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,800
So you really need to be sure
that that is the right.

689
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:47,880
So we at Herb Smith, we have
everything from the, the simpler

690
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,560
herbs where the herbal formula
very much matches the Western

691
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,240
thought process of it.
So it's easy to identify.

692
00:43:55,240 --> 00:44:00,320
And then we have Herb Smith RX,
which is the more toxic herbs.

693
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,840
It's more the herbs that are
very specific for a very

694
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,480
specific patient.
Vets don't even keep in their,

695
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,600
in their offices.
They would order it, they would

696
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,320
identify the patient, they would
identify this herb would be this

697
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,160
herbal formula would be really
good for them.

698
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,080
Then they would order it and
have it sent to the owner

699
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,520
because it's so infrequently
used.

700
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,560
That was my next question was
about, you know, usage.

701
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:31,160
So daily use, intermittent use a
couple of times a year, like for

702
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,800
example a microflora daily pre
and probiotic.

703
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,680
It says it, you know, right
there, it's daily and we always

704
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,040
need to be reinforcing the gut.
So do you recommend that just

705
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,160
like with humans?
I mean, should pets be on that

706
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,680
365 days a year?
In my opinion, yes, because it

707
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,000
is because the gut is always
being challenged.

708
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,000
Very good every chemicals.
It's true.

709
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:01,080
Toxins in the food, but I hate
to get all dark about it, but

710
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,960
glyphosate's in everything.
And what did glyphosate do?

711
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,640
Glyphosate damages.
It's an antibiotic.

712
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,560
And so in all of our food, in
all of our pets foods, they're

713
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,840
getting an antibiotic every day
that's killing their gut and

714
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,960
interesting, I think you guys
will find this really

715
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,920
interesting.
You know that how GLP ones are

716
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,760
like so common now to use for
weight loss.

717
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:30,800
Well, GLP one, it's a hormone
and what damages that hormone?

718
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:37,840
Glyphosate isn't that
fascinating that glyphosate is

719
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,480
pervasive in any any grain that
you're going to eat that's not

720
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,960
organic and it's going to be
damaging not only the bacteria

721
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,640
for your gut, but also the
hormones that are produced

722
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,880
within your gut, Gut lights.
Frightening.

723
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,400
Like GLP ones?
Yeah.

724
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,080
Why is it that almost everybody
in the population does well with

725
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,920
it?
Because we're all eating toxic

726
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,080
food.
Unless you're eating 100%

727
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,560
organic all the time.
Wow.

728
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,440
So what of the herbs that are
commonly suggested, for example,

729
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,680
milk Thistle, if you would talk
about that.

730
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,880
And we know we have your little
card and it says to at least use

731
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,320
it seasonally, like twice a
year, maybe spring season, fall

732
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,440
season, when allergies are at
their height.

733
00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:27,680
But of course, here in Central
Texas, allergies seem to always

734
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:31,520
be, you know, a problem.
So is it daily?

735
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,320
Is it seasonally?
Is it cyclical?

736
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,440
What can you say about something
for Milk Thistle and talk about

737
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,520
like what that's used for?
Yeah, I would say you have to

738
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:43,920
think of milk Thistle as a as a
detox.

739
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,360
And so I think there's so many
ways that you could use milk

740
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,760
Thistle and a lot of it is
dependent on your animals.

741
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,640
So for example, if you're in an
area that has never has a

742
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,720
winter, so you never have a
frost, you never kills the

743
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,520
fleas.
And so that person decides that

744
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:10,360
head parent decides that I need
to use something like frontline,

745
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,000
something like that a monthly.
Then you then give milk Thistle

746
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,880
2 days before the day of and for
three or four days after.

747
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,800
So it's saying that I know I'm
going to be giving my dog

748
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:29,200
unnecessary toxin in, in their
opinion, because of the risks

749
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,480
that come with ticks or with
fleas.

750
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,640
But then I'm going to use milk
Thistle to detox the liver.

751
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,480
I'm going to help the liver be
able to do what it needs to do.

752
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,360
So I would use milk Thistle in a
bolus.

753
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,600
So like a 5 day time period for
vaccinations, for Heartgard, for

754
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,840
Frontline, for if they have, if
they need to take antibiotics,

755
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,240
if they need to take any
chemical that the liver needs to

756
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:02,040
detox.
If my neighbor is insistent that

757
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,880
they need to put on chemicals on
their lawn.

758
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,840
And yes, it might be sprayed on
their lawn, but it's seeping

759
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,080
down into the water table that
my dog is then drinking and he's

760
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,560
walking in the in the huddles
that are formed.

761
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,240
So I might use it when they
spray their lawn.

762
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,120
I might use milk Thistle for a
while so you can use it

763
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,920
preventatively to help detox or
if your dog has a liver issue.

764
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,840
You can absolutely use it every
single day the rest of their

765
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,120
lives and in the literature they
talk about on for so many days

766
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,000
and off for so many days.
Well, if you go back to the true

767
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,280
research behind the use of milk
Thistle, it's best to be put on

768
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,880
board when a toxic event occurs.
If you know that you're going to

769
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,320
be vaccinating, you're going to
be using Heartguard or

770
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,560
Frontline, put it, give it to
them before and then after.

771
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,360
And so you're arming the liver
with the strongest strength it

772
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,240
can to detoxify.
If you're going to use it long

773
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,600
term.
The thought process is, is that

774
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:13,280
they're constantly being exposed
to hopsins, to glyphosate, to

775
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,880
pesticides, to all sorts of
things.

776
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,960
And I'm just going to always
have that on board so that they

777
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,840
can detox as needed.
Does milk Thistle come into play

778
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:30,400
when you have a pet who's had
some liver compromising event

779
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,000
like liver failure?
Absolutely, absolutely.

780
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:38,000
It's it's not only preventative
detoxifying, but then it's also

781
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,440
hepato protective and nourishing
to the to the liver.

782
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,880
So you could absolutely use it
when they have a liver issue.

783
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,080
You could absolutely use it if
you needed to use a drug that is

784
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,160
going to be taxing to the liver.
So like anything, any steroid,

785
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,880
anything that ends with a Sone,
Prednisone, dexamethasone,

786
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:05,640
Prednisolone, any of those are
going to going to have a great

787
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,440
effect.
They're going to work for

788
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,440
whatever that that prescribed it
for, but the side effect is it's

789
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,640
going to constantly be damaging
the liver.

790
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:19,760
So I'm going to use a drug like
Remedil or Actigesic or any of

791
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,720
the prednisones.
I'm absolutely always going to

792
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:26,640
keep them on milk Thistle at the
same time to minimize any of the

793
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,400
toxic effects of, again, a
necessary drug that that we need

794
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,320
for whatever reason.
So one story comes to mind

795
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,120
again.
It's my Charlie, a 13 year old,

796
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:44,160
but he was given a very, very
common prescription for kennel

797
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:50,440
cough at the age of 1 1/2 and he
went into liver failure

798
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,560
immediately.
And so he was hospitalized for

799
00:50:54,560 --> 00:51:00,040
13 days.
And we felt the need to do that

800
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:04,960
because he was so young.
And so he had that injury, he

801
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:10,120
pulled through, and that is when
shortly after that I learned

802
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,800
about milk Thistle.
And so that was another one of

803
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,240
the herbs that I started giving
to him.

804
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:18,080
And then, as you know, time has
gone on.

805
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,440
It's just something that I keep
in circulation.

806
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,880
And I would say that takes us
back to what Jessica said in the

807
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:29,000
very beginning is that when we
need it, thank God that we have

808
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,960
it.
Like in that scenario, you have

809
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,960
it in your stockpile at home for
potential use down the road.

810
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,560
And thank God that we are in a
fabulous society where we can

811
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,600
have this team of people that
take care of our animals.

812
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,560
So it's your groomer, it's your
veterinarian, it's your

813
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,840
orthopedic veterinarian, it's
your holistic veterinarian.

814
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,280
You have all these wonderful
people that can help to

815
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:00,120
contribute to your pet's health.
And you don't have to have just

816
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:05,080
one person and that person's
belief about any one thing.

817
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:09,160
We, as guardians for our pets,
can help to make decisions, to

818
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,040
try to continually point them in
the right direction, which

819
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,360
obviously you do a great job.
Thank God they came to you for a

820
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,960
reason.
Thank you.

821
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,160
Pam helped me recently with one
of our we have a 15 year old

822
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,400
Maltipoo that we rescued years
ago.

823
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,320
We went for.
We believe that it happened when

824
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:29,920
we went for a walk in our
neighborhood.

825
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:35,160
Very common in our neighborhood.
And it was a short time later

826
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,520
that I I woke up in the morning
and she looked like a burn

827
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,040
victim.
She had licked and bitten and

828
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,080
scratched apparently all night
long.

829
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,120
And she'd removed the hair from
her hind quarters and under her

830
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,160
tail.
And Pam did her what she does

831
00:52:55,160 --> 00:53:00,240
best and tested her and she came
up positive for pesticides

832
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,920
among, you know, aluminum was
another one.

833
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:10,960
But the the aluminum perplexes
me because I haven't done shots

834
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,120
for my pets in some time and I
constantly detox them.

835
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,360
So that one has me perplexed.
However, the pesticides, that

836
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,600
one was really upsetting
because, you know, we use

837
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,480
natural sprays in our, in our,
she's a tiny dog.

838
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,680
She's close to the ground, she
steps in the grass, she steps in

839
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,720
the puddles.
Like you were just explaining

840
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:34,720
that you were just saying.
And so one of the things that

841
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,920
you know, Pam was recommending
was she actually, it was a

842
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,360
different from milk Thistle
because I always have milk

843
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:45,400
Thistle, but we did a tincture
and so and we also did a

844
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,480
chemical binder and then the
liver, you know, detox fire.

845
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,600
But and what I want to have you
touch on, if you will, is like

846
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,240
yours or powders, sprinkle in
the food.

847
00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,240
Most of them are odorless and
tasteless.

848
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:03,440
I actually lick my dogs to make
sure I'm except krill.

849
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,440
What chicken?
I do not lick the krill, but

850
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,920
why?
What was the choice behind

851
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:11,960
powders versus tinctures for
you?

852
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,440
Yeah, I would say that tinctures
are stronger.

853
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:23,040
So you have more of the active
ingredient in a smaller volume,

854
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:28,280
so you get a lot more strength.
I like the powder because the

855
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,600
powder is, as you said before,
there's no fillers or anything

856
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,440
in it.
It literally is the roots, the

857
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,280
barks, the berries that are
ground up into a powder and then

858
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,440
mixed together.
So you'd have the active

859
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,000
ingredients and the inactive
ingredients.

860
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:48,000
And I think that that's part of
why herbs are so non-toxic, how

861
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,840
they don't have nearly the
amount of side effects that you

862
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,880
would have in a pharmaceutical.
Because if you go with the

863
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,680
powder, you're going to have the
cellulose from the from the

864
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,960
Berry and you're going to have
other inactive ingredients of

865
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:06,840
the bark that's there to help as
God's way or nature's way of

866
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:13,360
having a active ingredient that
is going to affect the body, but

867
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,880
then also has the inactive
ingredients to keep any of the

868
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,440
negative side effects.
Down South in Chinese medicine,

869
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:26,040
you'd have this big pot of barks
and berries and nuts and fruits

870
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,360
and you would, you would boil it
and boil it and boil it and the

871
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,440
water would mist away.
And then you'd fill up the pot

872
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,840
again and you'd boil it and
you'd boil it and you'd boil it

873
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,520
and mist away, fill up the pot
again, boil it and boil it and

874
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,120
boil it.
And then that would be the

875
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:46,400
tincture that would be what the
patient consumes or in our

876
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:51,000
environment that would be the
tincture that is made and all of

877
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,560
the cellulose and the bark and
the inactive ingredients are

878
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,240
basically just thrown in the
garbage.

879
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:01,440
So tinctures are stronger, which
are really great for cats

880
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,320
because you don't need as much.
So here our powder that is the

881
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,960
whole teaspoon compared to a
drop or two of a tincture.

882
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:14,640
The downfall to that is it's a
little more specific, it's a

883
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,960
little less, it's a little
stronger in that it has a

884
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,080
stronger taste.
If you were going to have

885
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,520
negative side effects, you could
tend to have more because you

886
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,840
have a stronger tincture than
than what the powder is.

887
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:32,760
And that's why I like the powder
is because I like it because to

888
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:39,000
me it's just like food.
And why is food so non-toxic?

889
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,000
Food has active chemicals in it,
active ingredients, but then it

890
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,360
also has inactive ingredients as
well.

891
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:50,120
And so you think of food as you
know, beef and apples and then

892
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:54,640
you go ginger and cinnamon and
licorice and then you get more

893
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,320
and more specific.
And so using the powder, it's

894
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,200
more like whole food.
So that's why I elected to do

895
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:05,520
it, especially in over the
counter herb we're you think

896
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,040
that's exactly what it's going
to be.

897
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:12,000
But I want to make sure that we
do no harm that if you give any

898
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,560
one of the Herb Smith formulas
to anybody and it's not the

899
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,680
correct formula, it's just not
going to work.

900
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,200
That's better than causing a
negative effect.

901
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,800
I'm glad you said that.
Yeah.

902
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,520
So if it didn't, if it doesn't
work, it doesn't resonate.

903
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:32,920
It's not the right application.
Yeah, you think it would.

904
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,000
And logically it makes sense
that it would be.

905
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,080
It'd be kind of like calm Shen
in that fear, aggressive God,

906
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,400
the calm Shen is going to help
because there is anxiety

907
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,800
involved with it, but it's not
going to resolve it.

908
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,240
So then Janet would call me and
I'd say, OK, we're going to use

909
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:52,800
Chahu longu muli Tong, and I
will send you some of that.

910
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,600
And then you would use that and
be like, wow, that was the

911
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,600
ticket that's going to make all
the difference in the world I.

912
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,520
Guess that's the same as you
know, CBD is wonderful as it is

913
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,920
when you get the right product
because just like we said at the

914
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,920
beginning, there's so many
supplements on the market, but

915
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,280
they are not created equal.
And this is so true in the CBD

916
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,040
world.
But CBD doesn't work for 100% of

917
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,840
the pets.
But, and I had this recently

918
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,560
happened, I literally over the
weekend a customer called and

919
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:30,600
texted me because she was about
to board her plane and her

920
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,920
little dog was going ballistic
at the airport and she couldn't

921
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,960
get him into the Kennelly
wouldn't stand the Kennelly was

922
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,520
barking crazy and she didn't
have CBD with her.

923
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:47,760
And I said, go find a store in
the airport that sells essential

924
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,240
oils and get lavender if they
have it and try that.

925
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,640
Put it in the ear flap.
And she called me, I think 30

926
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,040
minutes later and she's like,
you will never believe I found

927
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,240
some.
I put it in the ear flap.

928
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,280
And Oh my God, she goes, thank
you so much.

929
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,200
He's in his kennel.
He is knocked out.

930
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,800
That's what a great story.
It was and I cannot make that up

931
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,320
and it she put it like all over
his bed.

932
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:16,960
And I was like, OK, don't overdo
it.

933
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:20,760
Yeah, you're getting.
Of his life.

934
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,880
I don't know how the people on
the plane would can stand you

935
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,200
with so much lavender, but I
think your story about if it

936
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,920
doesn't work, it's not right for
that pet and that that can be

937
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,760
applied to so many things.
And I, and I love that idea

938
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,080
because if the first herb that
as a herbalist, the first herb

939
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,960
that I pick that makes logical
sense to me doesn't work, that

940
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,600
gives me some really valuable
information, then I'm like,

941
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,320
well, it's not what I was
thinking.

942
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,400
I need to go back and re
evaluate and think of some other

943
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,520
possibilities behind that.
And that's really in my bedroom

944
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,720
practice that helped me really
refine my craft and really

945
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:06,800
understand which were the best
herbs that worked the best by by

946
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,080
seeing what happened and based
on what happened.

947
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,160
Help me decide where I should
go.

948
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:17,240
And I would say that because
herbs and because food is so

949
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:22,440
gentle but effective, you have
to be a little smarter about it.

950
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,440
You know, anybody can throw
steroids at something.

951
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,600
Yeah.
And steroids will make everybody

952
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,960
feel better for a short time.
Yes.

953
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,000
Without a question.
That dog's in.

954
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,160
Stop itching, and it's going to
look great.

955
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,520
And then two weeks later,
they're peeing all over the

956
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,400
house.
They're panting like crazy.

957
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,280
They have all the negative side
effects and unfortunately as a

958
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,880
society we love that because
it's very quick, like just stop

959
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,360
him from doing that.
But in the long run, it's much

960
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,560
worse than if they had taken the
time to get the right food and

961
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:56,640
the right herbs and and
everything else that's more

962
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,040
gentle first.
Again, going the most gentle to

963
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,840
the most extreme.
Do you recommend using herbs

964
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:05,720
while they're on something like
that?

965
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:09,480
Like a steroid or an antibiotic?
Yeah, absolutely.

966
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,640
Like I feel again back to the we
have a team of people that are

967
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,760
helping with us with our pets.
The majority of herbs are

968
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,880
perfectly fine with any
pharmaceutical.

969
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,920
And I would tell you that every
single day I get calls from

970
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,880
different stores and pet parents
saying my dog is on XY and Z and

971
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,600
is it OK to use this, that and
the other.

972
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,400
And I would absolutely reassure
them that yes, there's

973
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,360
absolutely nothing that could
correlate or could have negative

974
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:42,320
interaction.
There are some herbs that do

975
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,080
have negative interactions and
those are the ones that are more

976
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:51,400
on the drug side, that are more
by prescription only, that you

977
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:55,720
need a licensed professional
that has a client patient

978
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:00,880
relationship with that dog to
know if it's worthy of using

979
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,800
that herb.
That's a good, good

980
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,080
differentiation there.
So I have one more question in

981
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:15,760
my onslaught or questions, OK.
And it's about pet parents who

982
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,720
are just starting to dip their
feet into the, the, you know,

983
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:24,440
herbal realm because you and
you've, you, what you've said is

984
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,000
just, it's been a perfect segue
with each question because you

985
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,600
just mentioned how we're so
accustomed in Western

986
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,640
civilization to we have a
problem and we go to the doctor

987
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:35,960
and we're given a prescription
and it boom, you know, you have

988
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,920
a headache, it's gone.
You have anxiety, you take this

989
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,680
and it's gone.
You start itching or have a

990
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,760
breakout, put this on and it's
gone.

991
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:48,000
So the quick this question
centers around a typical time

992
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:52,200
frame that pet parents should
expect to start seeing results.

993
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:56,240
And I know that's different
based on like, for example, we

994
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,640
talked about the gut earlier and
how important that is for

995
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,000
well-being.
You know, we have to have a

996
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,120
healthy gut to have a healthy
pet or a healthy human.

997
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,640
So, you know, typical time frame
for a couple of different common

998
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,320
herbs like pre and probiotic or
milk Thistle to support liver.

999
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,960
And the second part of that
question is, is there a loading

1000
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:24,360
dose and OK, so.
There definitely can be a

1001
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,600
loading dose and the loading
dose would be double your

1002
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,280
maintenance dose.
So when you look at herbs Smith

1003
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,080
product, it's the maintenance
dose is always listed.

1004
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,400
So you could double it for the
first two weeks OK to get the

1005
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:39,360
effect, but.
Good to know.

1006
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,840
There are some herbs that are
really quick acting but they're

1007
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,480
a much smaller amount so comfort
aches.

1008
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:48,800
I don't know if you carry that
one.

1009
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,880
I did.
I mean like that.

1010
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:57,360
That herb formula is so fast you
can give it and with two hours

1011
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,000
later your dog will move better
than they did before.

1012
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,840
Now is that a double like a
loading dose or is that the

1013
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,720
maintenance dose?
Even just the maintenance dose

1014
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,760
has a really, really quick
effect and why is it It's pain

1015
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,920
relieving an anti-inflammatory
and so it has a really fast

1016
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,240
effect.
The majority of herbs, I would

1017
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:22,400
say 70% of herbs are in that
four to six week time period.

1018
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:27,080
That was a gentle persuasion in
the right direction.

1019
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,240
And my first question, when
somebody says it doesn't work,

1020
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,600
yes, yes, is how long did you do
it?

1021
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,440
Didn't do it because we're not
used to having to do it for six

1022
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:39,880
weeks before we see a
difference.

1023
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,080
We take a pill and it should be
better the next day.

1024
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:46,680
So they gave a herb pill and
said, well, it's not any better.

1025
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:48,680
He's still itching.
Yeah, it's going to take four to

1026
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:52,240
six weeks because it took a long
time to get to that point.

1027
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,720
Takes a long time to bring it
back.

1028
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:59,600
And then the last 20% are ones
that you might be on their whole

1029
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,240
lives.
And that one would be say, for

1030
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:07,960
example, a kidney tonic and a
kidney herb is kidney disease

1031
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:13,080
could happen very quickly if
they got exposed to antifreeze

1032
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,640
or something like that.
But generally speaking, the

1033
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:21,280
majority of kidney disease is a
slow, gradual process and that

1034
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:25,800
it's been going on for quite
some time before it gets to the

1035
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,440
point that the kidney can't
properly remove the toxins from

1036
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,560
the blood.
And because it took so long to

1037
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,520
take effect, it's going to take
a long time to get them better.

1038
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,360
And they might be on it for for
the rest of their lives.

1039
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:44,240
Seizure seizure herbs work
amazingly well to raise the

1040
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,400
seizure threshold so that
they're less likely to go into a

1041
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,880
seizure, but it's also the sort
of herb that they're going to

1042
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:51,960
use probably for the rest of
their lives.

1043
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:57,880
So every every herb has its own
indications, but generally

1044
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:01,200
speaking, most herbs are that
four to six week time period.

1045
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:06,040
If after four to six weeks, they
say, I think he's doing better,

1046
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,520
the itch is a little less that
says keep going.

1047
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,520
You're right, you're on right
track.

1048
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,620
If there's absolutely no effect
at all, I personally would re

1049
01:06:15,620 --> 01:06:19,200
evaluate and see whether I
needed something else that that

1050
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,400
that was just not strong enough
for them.

1051
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:25,080
And then the beauty of herbs is
you can do the same thing when

1052
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,320
you're taking them off of it.
So let's say you have a pet

1053
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,000
parent that comes to you and
they're their dog has been on

1054
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:36,480
commshen for they started at two
years of age and now they're six

1055
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,000
and they're Labrador.
So at six they can say, well,

1056
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,160
you know, he's been doing great.
Do I still need to use these

1057
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:46,600
herbs?
I would say, let's try taking

1058
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,760
him off and see what happens.
And if in the next six weeks

1059
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,000
none of the anxiety comes back,
great.

1060
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,920
He doesn't need it anymore.
If he, if it does start to come

1061
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,400
back, it'll come back really
slow and then gradually amp up.

1062
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,560
It's not like a pharmaceutical
where you give it an immediate

1063
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,880
like as soon as you stop
Prednisone or if your patience

1064
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:08,680
is going to come back within 12
hours.

1065
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,800
It's not like that.
It'll it takes a while to take

1066
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,880
effect.
It also takes a while to go

1067
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,080
away.
That's and occasionally you get

1068
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,400
people who go see it didn't
work.

1069
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:23,560
I'm like, no, it works so good.
You need to keep him on it

1070
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,560
longer and it doesn't
necessarily mean for the rest of

1071
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,240
their lives, but at least
longer.

1072
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,000
And I, and I would say that goes
back to some of the original

1073
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:35,200
things that we had talked about
how the needs of a puppy and a

1074
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:38,920
young dog are different than the
needs of a middle-aged dog and

1075
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,760
are very different than the
needs of a senior dog.

1076
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:46,800
And what what you see is a
young, vibrant, healthy puppy is

1077
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,120
massively growing and
developing.

1078
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,960
Like one week you look at them,
you're like, you're so much

1079
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,680
bigger than you were last week.
Well, that's all chi, you know,

1080
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:00,640
that's all vital energy that is
building this amazing body.

1081
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:05,600
And then as they get to kind of
middle age, that slows down.

1082
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:10,400
South chi starts to decrease.
When we get old, now our chi is

1083
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,280
really decreased.
So now our own endogenous

1084
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,479
production of antioxidants goes
down, our own endogenous

1085
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,880
production of Omega threes go
down.

1086
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,000
So now we have to put that
senior pet.

1087
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:28,760
That senior pet needs to have
more dietary antioxidants than

1088
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,680
they had before because now
their body isn't producing as

1089
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,439
much as they had in the past.
So we see the way that we

1090
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,760
supplement a older pet is very
different than the way that we

1091
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,000
would supplement a young.
Interesting.

1092
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,800
Thank you so much for answering
all those questions.

1093
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,040
That was awesome.
It all flowed.

1094
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:48,160
It was good.
It did.

1095
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,920
Hold on.
Did you put anything you wanted

1096
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:52,840
to follow up with Pam?
No.

1097
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,680
I think you covered so much.
Yeah.

1098
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:57,560
Right.
It was great.

1099
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,560
You know, everybody always asks,
is there one magic herb?

1100
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,399
Yeah.
And there really isn't.

1101
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:07,600
And it's not that I'm being
evasive, just just a different

1102
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,479
herbs are like, I like lasagna
or tacos.

1103
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:17,880
It's always in combination, so
you always have the least would

1104
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,319
be two herbs, the most would be
1015 herbs.

1105
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:25,840
But generally speaking, most
Chinese herbal formulas have 6

1106
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:30,120
to 8 different herbs in it, and
all those herbs work in synergy

1107
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:35,200
to cause and effect.
And that's how it works versus a

1108
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:39,279
single pharmaceutical.
They're taking say ginseng and

1109
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:43,080
they're pulling out the
ginsenicide, the the active

1110
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:46,080
ingredient of ginseng and
putting it into a pill.

1111
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,560
And then you take that pill and
you get a really fast effect,

1112
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,760
but you get all the negative
side effects as well because you

1113
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,920
pulled out all the good stuff,
the negative side effects.

1114
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:01,440
And so if when you're doing a
formula, there's always a main

1115
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:05,320
herb and then a secondary and
3rd herb, which are kind of

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01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,480
assistance.
And then you have herbs that are

1117
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:13,040
in there to detoxify some of the
negative effects of the primary

1118
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,520
herbs.
And then you have some that

1119
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,880
aren't just treating a secondary
symptom from the primary

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01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,680
condition.
So every Chinese formula is

1121
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,240
always going to have a list of
herbs.

1122
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,680
And now it's not so simple to
just say, what is that one herb?

1123
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:33,400
Yeah.
So what is your favorite herb

1124
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,880
for?
We should do like 10 fast

1125
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,280
questions like they do on the
the late night show.

1126
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:45,560
What's your favorite go to herb
for allergies?

1127
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:51,200
A clear allergy which is also
called Gentian relief allergy

1128
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:57,720
and the main herbal formula is
called Longdan Gigante and it's

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01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,160
all about decreasing heat and
inflammation.

1130
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,080
OK.
How do you feel about goat milk

1131
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:06,600
versus microflora?
I think there.

1132
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,280
I don't want to hear this.
I don't want to hear this.

1133
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,240
No, no, we're not going there.
Why not Jessica?

1134
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,280
Because goat milk is my Holy
Grail.

1135
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:18,280
I don't want to hear anything.
I never say anything negative.

1136
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:23,720
I do both like food.
It's one more like should we

1137
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,240
have variety?
Absolutely.

1138
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,280
We should always have variety.
And so we should be getting

1139
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:33,800
probiotics, prebiotics from all
different sources in the world,

1140
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,960
not just from one.
Yeah, I agree.

1141
01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:42,000
Yeah, so I I'm doing both
currently, but I rotate the goat

1142
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,480
milk in and out.
Yep.

1143
01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:46,280
But I'm I'm pretty religious
with the microflora.

1144
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:48,200
That's fabulous.
I love it.

1145
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,200
That's awesome.
All right.

1146
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:55,080
Thank you again.
Yes, my goodness, thank you so

1147
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:56,920
much.
I think, I mean, herbs are such

1148
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:01,200
a huge topic and you could tell
us so much better than I could

1149
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,040
tell you, but I'm just going to
throw it out there that

1150
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,240
literally people spend their
whole lives learning Chinese

1151
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:11,080
medicine and herbs are herbs are
a really big part of that.

1152
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:16,120
And as you have said so many
times that like it isn't exact.

1153
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,640
It is very, it reminded me a lot
of homeopathy the way you were

1154
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,960
describing, like we'll try this,
but it may not be exactly what,

1155
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:27,080
you know, matching the symptoms
of this particular animal.

1156
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,120
And, and I people, I think
people spend many, many, many

1157
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,000
years studying homeopathy as
well, because it is so

1158
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:36,520
individualized.
And so there's, there's a lot to

1159
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,080
be unpacked there.
But getting people having the

1160
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:44,200
Herb Smith line, especially like
the ones that you have available

1161
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,400
for people like Janet to have in
their storefronts to having that

1162
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,680
really accessible with pet
parents is incredible.

1163
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,360
And we want to thank you for
that.

1164
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:59,120
Thank you so much and thank you
for all your time and and your

1165
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:01,840
your heart for pets and pet
parent.

1166
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:05,440
Thank you so much.
That's great.

1167
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,240
All right guys, if you want to
learn any more about Doctor

1168
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,080
Chris Besson, any of the product
lines, she has Herb Smith,

1169
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,800
Medicus and Simple Food Project.
They will all be listed in the

1170
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:19,520
show notes.
And of course, you can always

1171
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,440
reach out to myself, Pam or
Janet on any of the socials if

1172
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:26,760
you have more questions.
Need more help and thank you

1173
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,800
again Doctor Besson for being
here with us.

1174
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,040
Absolutely.
Thank you so much.

1175
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,400
Thank you, Merry.
Christmas.