176. Spirituality in Dog Training with Denise Mange

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Welcome back, pet parent.
I have been pretty reluctant to

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bring dog trainers on the show,
and that's because I was a dog

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trainer myself for a number of
years and it's a very polarizing

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topic.
There are lots of different

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methods for dog training and
many of them I personally don't

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agree with.
And so it's been difficult for

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me to open myself up to bring
any dog trainers to you because

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I want to make sure that I'm
bringing you the best

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information and information that
I know not only resonates with

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me, but I feel like it's going
to resonate for you.

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Like if you're here listening to
me, it's because you are what we

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like to call a 2.0 pet parent
and you want to do everything

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that you possibly can for your
pets.

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And so when today's guest
reached out to me, I, you know,

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booked a call and wanted to kind
of feel her out.

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But what really interested me is
that she's not only a dog

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trainer, she's an animal
communicator.

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She does pet numerology, which
was new to me.

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And she she's the founder of
petprana.com.

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She also recently came out with
a book on translating your dog's

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behavior, which I find
absolutely fascinating.

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I want to welcome on the show
today, Denise Mond.

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Thank you so much for being
here.

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Denise, how are you doing?
I'm so excited to be here and

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I'm so honored that, you know,
we connected and you're bringing

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me on.
And I think your journey with

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dog training is so valid and
something that really resonates

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with that parents because when
you're bringing in a dog trainer

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into your home, there's so many
different options out there.

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There's so much information out
there about dog training and a

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lot of it is conflicting,
especially if you go online,

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there's so many different views
and philosophies.

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So one thing I always remind my
pet parents is that they are

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incredibly intuitive.
And even though I'm an expert in

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dog training, they're an expert
in their dog.

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And so anything, you know,
whoever it is that they bring in

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to help them raise their their
furry friend, if that person or

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if I, you know, bring in
information or strategies that

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they know won't work for their
path, trust their gut and take a

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page out of your dog's book to
get your bark on, right?

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Let them know, you know, that
just doesn't resonate for me.

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Are there any alternatives?
Because just like for pets of,

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you know, human children, you're
your dog's advocate.

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That is so true.
We say that all the time,

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actually in so many areas
because it is with literally

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every area of your dog or your
cat's life.

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You are their advocate.
You are the final say.

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And I think it's really
difficult for pet parents when

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dealing with professionals that
like they know they don't have

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that skill.
That's why they're hiring you,

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whether it's a veterinarian or a
dog trainer or a groomer or

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somebody that they need to be
able to trust that they

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certainly have a lot of respect
for and they it can.

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I've just talked to so many
people who like they even knew

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there was one that just came to
mind when they, they were

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telling me that they paid for
and went to this dog training

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class in a park and they didn't
know until they got there that

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the trainer was requiring them
to put prom collars on their

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dogs to train.
And they were like, they hated

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it.
They were so reluctant.

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They really did not want to do
it.

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But they were like, he's the
expert.

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I already paid for this class,
you know, and they did it.

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And then they felt so much
regret afterwards.

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And I mean, I don't, I don't
blame them for the regret.

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And I also don't blame them for
the experience.

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I hopefully they learned a lot
from that experience, not just

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for their dog, but for
themselves.

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And, you know, finding that
confidence to stand up and say,

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Nope, this isn't for me.
This is not how I want to train

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my dog.
This isn't, you know, this

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doesn't resonate with how we're
raising our dog.

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So I, I think it would be kind
of cool to talk a little bit

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about how you got started in the
pet industry and like what led

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you to dog training in the first
place.

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Yeah, it's actually pretty wild.
I'm the last person on earth you

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would expect to be a dog trainer
growing up.

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You know, I grew up in Sao
Paulo, Brazil, and an apartment.

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My dad wasn't particularly fond
of, you know, having pets.

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So we never had a dog or a
traditional pet.

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So growing up, you know, I
brought in, you know,

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caterpillars and rolling
pulleys, and then those were

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kind of my little furry friends.
The interesting thing and the

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benefit of that is once I did
step into dog training, I had to

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learn everything from scratch.
So I'm not one of those people

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who's grown up and like, I've
always grown up around dogs.

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I know everything about dogs.
It's like second nature to me.

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I truly had to learn as tabla
rasa.

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So I had no pets growing up.
Always loved animals though.

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Always wanted a dog, was so
connected with animals on a

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general scale.
Went to college, you know,

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pursued my career in advertising
and I was on Madison Ave. for

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like 10 years.
And for anyone who's worked in

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advertising, that's like dog
years like that.

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A grind of an industry.
You're working around the clock.

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It's kind of nuts.
But one of the last accounts I

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worked on was Purina, and I was
like, I just love talking about

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pets and the relationship that
pets have with their pet parents

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and how it's different for each,
you know, brand and how we

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segmented our audience.
And I was just really into that.

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So when I decided I was going to
leave advertising, I was like,

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what am I going to do?
And I lived in New York City, so

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I was like, you know what, I've
always want to work with pets.

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Why don't I open a Docky
daycare?

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That's something that everybody
needs in New York.

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And I figured if I'm going to do
that, I should really learn

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about dog behavior.
So I signed up to do a dog

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training course.
And during the practicum portion

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of the of the course, you know,
there's a lot of one-on-one

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with, with pets and their pet
parents and doing the training.

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And I fell in love.
I said, Oh my gosh, I love this.

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I love working with humans.
I love working with their, I

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love the collaboration between
the two.

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Forget the brick and mortar of a
doggy daycare.

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This is it.
And so I began my practice in

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New York City working with pets
and they're humans.

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And it was interesting because
going into it, I was always, you

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know, there's a lot of dog
trainers and you, you might

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relate to, you know, knowing
some dog trainers like this who

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are really good with the pets,
but what nothing to do with the

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pet parents.
I was very much into like kind

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of the holistic aspect of the
relationship.

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And so, you know, I was working
with pet parents and after a

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while I was like, you know, I'm
kind of bored just bossing dogs

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around.
Like there's got to be more to

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this.
And that's when the whole world

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of animal communication opened
up to me and I started kind of

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getting more information hits
just senses and instincts about

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what was truly driving the pets
behavior.

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And from that realization that,
you know, the humans energy

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effects the pets energy and vice
versa, and the energy of the

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home has an influence over
what's going on in their

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dynamic, I created a road map
that maps out common pet

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behaviors with different
universal themes that we all

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experience in our lives.
So with the dogs who had a lot

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of on leash reactivity, for
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lunging at dogs on the street, I
realized that in the pet parents

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life, there seemed to be a lot
of insecurity.

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They weren't quite stable.
Maybe they were between jobs or

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they weren't quite secure in
their romantic relationships.

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And I started realizing how that
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other.
And so that led me to the

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realization that unless we look
at our pets behavior in the

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context of what's going on in
the human's life as well, we

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can't create lasting change.
And that's where I've developed

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what I think is the next, you
know, ERA of dog training, which

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is a mindful approach to pet
training, understanding that our

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energy, our life, our
experiences shape our pets and

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vice versa, Our energies, a
mesh.

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There's so much to unpack there,
so much to unpack.

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I definitely want to talk about
the book and this new like

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evolution and dog training
because it really, I feel like

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it might even rekindle that
spark that I have.

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I've kind of lost the spark for
dog training.

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And I think one of the reasons
is exactly what you said.

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There is this idea that most
people have going into any, I

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think animal centric occupation
where it's like, I love the

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animals, I love the animals, I
love working with the animals.

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And then you get in and you
realize I have to deal with the

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human in order to work with the
animal.

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And I, I know for me, like, I
definitely got a lot better

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working with the humans.
Initially, it was really,

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really, really tough for me.
I'm being like really

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introverted, but I think so many
people, so many animal loving

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introverts kind of go into
animal animal centric

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occupations.
And it 100% I, I learned that I

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wasn't there to train the dog.
I'm there to train the human to

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interact with the dog in ways
that's going to get the response

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they're actually looking for.
And so that just wore on me so

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much because it's so much easier
to just take the dog and train

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the dog, right?
Actually teaching the human how

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to change their behavior to get
the behavior they want out of

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their dog is exhausting to me.
It's exhausting and so I

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definitely lost the spark for
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I will still do it occasionally,
but it's just not like front and

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Center for me at all by any
means.

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So that was it.
It's interesting to me that

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you're like, oh, I love working
with the humans too.

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And I'm like, bless your heart.
You know, and I love that point

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of view because it's true, a lot
of us are introverted and you

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know, we we might feel a lot
more comfortable and safe

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communicating and working with
pets versus humans.

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But the same way that we started
our conversation that, you know,

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dog training has evolved, we
truly are in this bridge state.

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I feel, you know, we still have
remnants and vestiges that we

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see of old school dog training,
which was dominant based, fear

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based, force based, but we kind
of graduated more to this really

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interesting aspect of positive
reinforcement training, which is

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more based on collaboration,
which feels to be a leadership

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style and kind of more conducive
to leadership style that a lot

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of us are more comfortable with,
especially as you know, females

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and sensitive people and
empathic people.

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And now we're bridging that gap
into more mindful aspects of pet

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right into where we're, we
realize our pets are mirrors.

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Our pets are picking up on our
energy.

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So if we change ours, they'll
change their energy as well and

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their perception of the world.
The same way dog training has

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evolved.
I truly believe the pet parent

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has evolved too, right In the
past, pet parents are very much

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me versus the dog, the dogs
outside the dogs, just an

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animal.
We've really kind of built our

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our perception of our pets as
being part of the family.

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And especially as we get into
more, you know, newer and newer

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generations, it is very much
that notion of my pets, my baby,

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my pets, my best friend.
I'll do anything, I'll change

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anything about myself if it
means my animal companion is

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going to be more happy, more
well adjusted.

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And I think part of it also is
the times, right post 2020, you

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know, period of that kind of
reset where we all were at home,

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we relied on our pets, a lot of
us became a lot more

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introspective.
So this notion of being mindful

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in other relationships in our
lives and how we exercise and

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how we eat naturally translates
to our pets.

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So I feel that, you know, I came
into my own and dog training and

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this this notion of mindfulness
around pet parenting at the

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perfect moment where pet parents
and just our community in

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general was opening up to more
of this self help,

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introspection, understanding
energy and how it affects not

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only our animal companions, our
human children, but ourselves.

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Well, and that kind of opens up
a little bit That happened.

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Thank you.
The the kids across the street

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like this little electric like
car.

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And I think she thinks it's a
animal.

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My goodness, I love it.
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is all about right here.
We all get, you know, the

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critical model dogs lock on our
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It's all part of the problem.
It is, and this is so something

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I actually didn't tell you
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Is that one of the one of the
the visions I have for this

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podcast moving forward?
And I'm just starting to kind of

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dabble in it a little bit with a
couple of episodes here and

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there going into actually this
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the last episode of 2024.
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want to focus a little bit more
on that like duality of, yes, we

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are doing everything we can to
make our pets lives better, to

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improve and extend their health
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We have to do the same for us
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of ourselves, we're not going to
be able to show up for our pets

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in the way that we actually want
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And so there's a lot of there's
a lot of self help out there,

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right?
And I'm not, I don't even really

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like that term self help because
I think we can get kind of

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caught it up in it.
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putting our energy of finding a
way to put our energy in

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ourselves, but kind of splitting
that off into putting our energy

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into caring for someone or
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that I have learned in the past

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few years, especially dealing
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depression, seeing other people
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depression, is that if we solely
focus on ourselves, that's where

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depression comes in.
We have to be able to focus and

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do for others to kind of get out
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the downfall of the self help
culture is that we're focusing

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too much on ourselves.
So having pets, to me as a

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really great gateway to care for
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need to, but also have something
immediate right there that we

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also have to show up for and
care for and not be all about

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ourselves.
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there, but that's like the
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podcast taking.
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That's still important, right?

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I think our kids are extras of
helping us find that balance.

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behavior for us, you know, they

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are very good about setting
those boundaries, doing what

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they want in the moment, but
also caring and nurturing for us

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when they see we need it.
But they're also the perfect

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dress rehearsals for those kind
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we do we often kind of shift in
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I find that help get us back

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into balance is separation
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of times we feel really guilty
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You know, we feel like, Oh my
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because I can't do anything for
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So the second I get a moment,
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important for us as pet parents.
The 1st is the aspect of over

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giving, right?
And I love that we've got a

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little audience here saying,
yes, right on, right on.

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Ladies, when we over give, we
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right?
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our pets bring up a really
helpful theme around being in

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service versus being in
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When I'm in servitude of
everyone around me, I'm

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depleting myself.
I'm over giving, I'm neglecting

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my own needs.
I've got that martyr mentality

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going on.
And then to overcompensate, I

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create barriers, not boundaries,
right?

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I create that barrier around me
because I'm like, you know what,

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I can't say no.
I give people an inch, they take

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a mile, that's it.
And now I've cut myself off.

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off for fear that we're not

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setting healthy boundaries.
That's when we get isolated.

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We feel depressed.
We don't feel renewed in that,

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that isolation.
But what our pets teach us,

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especially through the exercise
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separation anxiety and working
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is rather than being in
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of others, but also ourselves.
We can give a healthy amount.

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We can give sometimes, but not
always.

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We can set those parameters of,
sure, I can help you out between

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the hours of nine and 11:00, but
after that, I'm heading to the

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gym.
And they also teach us the

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importance of boundaries, of
setting up that time where it's

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sort of like, you know, I can
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that is too much.
I can't go beyond that point.

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When we're working with our
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those loving boundaries are so
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And us setting those on our
pets, us setting up that time

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where they have to be alone and
them protesting and barking at

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us and us having to stay strong
in that boundary, that is the

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dress rehearsal for us to do it
with other intimate

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relationships in our lives.
So our animal companions through

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training them, through working
with them are always going to be

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the perfect dress rehearsals to
teach us to set and manage

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boundaries, to find our voice in
leadership, to be really real

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about in our life and our
careers and relationships and

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friendships.
What are red flags?

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dodging those lessons, our
animal companions were reflected

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in in their behavior and not let
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So Speaking of separation
anxiety, I think it was already

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a problem, a pretty big problem
before the pandemic.

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since the pandemic.

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And I know a lot of people
really, really struggle with it

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and it's very misunderstood.
Also, I, I know when I learned

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about it, I was like explaining
to my husband what we needed to

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do with our dog and he's like,
no, no, it seemed so

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counterintuitive.
But when you're working with a

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dog with separation anxiety or
really any dog, what are some of

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the biggest tips you have for
pet parents out there who maybe

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are on the fence about?
Do they need to hire a trainer

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or do they not need to hire a
trainer or what is it that they

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can do with their dog themselves
at home?

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You know, people looking up
videos on YouTube because I

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mean, I'm guilty.
That's how I learn a lot of

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things.
It's a rude person, right?

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Emotion anxiety to me is one of

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the most interesting behaviors
because it's one of the the

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hardest for pet parents to
reverse.

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It requires a lot of patience, a
lot of, you know, emotional and

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mental fortitude because it is
about, you know, the small

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little steps forward, but then
always, you know, step back.

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is understanding the motivation.
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actually what got me into pet
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I was working in New York City
and you might have seen this as

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a dog trainer as well.
There was one month where, you

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know, it was all about on leash
reactivity.

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You know all the clients were
calling about on leash

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reactivity.
Then this, you know, this one

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month I had like 5 new clients
contact me and it was all about

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separation anxiety.
I was like, what is going on?

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But OK, here's the patterns,
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those dogs were named Leo.
And so I was like, that's really

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interesting.
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And so I remember as in New York
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I was between sessions.
There was this little, like,

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spiritual, you know, bookshop
that was like, looks so like,

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warm and inviting.
I'm like, all right, I'm going

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to dodge in here, wait for the
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And for my next session.
As I walked into that bookstore,

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I swear to you, this woman, I've
never seen her before, never saw

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her after.
And she was so ethereal.

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She was so tall, long black hair
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And she just flopped at me with
a book on numerology.

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She just needs us.
And I was like, whoa, OK, so I

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took it and I kind of read how
to do numerology, you know,

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really quickly, like the
formula.

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And I was like, I wonder what
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So I pulled the numerology of
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energy of five and five in
numerology is the freedom loving

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adventure.
And So what I came to realize

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was like, oh, that's so
interesting.

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So the Leos that I'm working on
with separation anxiety, they're

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not having separation anxiety
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They're having it because of
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They have fear of missing out on
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separation anxiety with those

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clients versus with other pets,
but it truly was rooted in deep

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sense of insecurity and issues
around self worth was completely

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different with the those Leo's.
It was all about variety and

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training variety and treats,
taking them on a lot of

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adventures and letting them
know, listen, little one, we'll

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be back and we'll do something
really fun.

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I promise.
I'm just going to work.

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You're not missing out on
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So you know, I, I would say to
pet parents, truly understanding

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your pet, your pets motivations
and dispositions and tendencies

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is going to be critical in
addressing any behavior,

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separation anxiety included,
because when we understand

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what's at the root of the
behavior, we can truly

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understand how to shift it.
That is true in so many areas.

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And yeah, I do see these, like,
trends and not just with

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training clients, with the pet
health coaching clients I have.

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I will get like five in a row,
like you were saying, like five

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in a row of, you know, my dog is
itchy, they're on Apoquel.

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And then I'll get like a handful
of cats with urinary blockages.

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And I'm like, what?
What's going on?

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What is the universe doing to me
right now?

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We get our little mini
intensives right.

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We're like, OK, now I'm doing a
deep dive and specialization on

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this thing.
Yes yes, so OK, you brought up

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the numerology and one thing I
I'm so fascinated with animal

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communication with, I have not
dug my feet in at all to

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numerology.
I like astrology, I like you

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know it's it's also fascinating
to me and I have actually spoken

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with quite a few animal
communicators this year, some

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intentionally, some
unintentionally.

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It's like, again, the universe
is telling me something, and I

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haven't said this out loud to
anybody yet.

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I was talking to one of my cats
a few days ago and like, for

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whatever reason, it had never
happened to me before.

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I was just talking to him.
And it was like I actually heard

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a response in my head.
And I was like, wait, at the

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time I was just like carrying on
a conversation.

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And then I got up and I was
like, wait, what just happened?

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That so much and that's so, so
representational of so many pet

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parents, right?
Pet parents are incredibly

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attuned to their animal
companions and nature and

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animals in general.
And So what I tell my pet

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parents is, you know, a lot of
times we expect communication to

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look a certain way, but some of
us just empathically feel some

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of us here, like you do with the
clear audience.

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Some of us know, some of us see
movie things.

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And it's interesting because
also the sort of information we

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get is different with everyone.
And you, you might have, you

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know, had these kind of
conversations with the other

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animal communicators.
I went into this thinking that

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animal communication was going
to be like Doctor Dolittle.

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It was going to be like that,
you know, like just talking to

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your best friend next to you.
But for me, animal communication

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turned out to be very different,
both in the messaging and in how

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I received the messages.
The best way that I can explain

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how animals communicate with me
is the first time that I watched

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ET where Elliot was feeling what
was going on with ETI was like,

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yeah, I do that.
So everyone does that.

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OK, cool.
Because I could just feel the

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energy of animals.
It wasn't through words.

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It wasn't through anything.
But just experience it,

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experiencing it as it, it was my
own experience.

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And then the second movie,
because I'm crazy about TV and

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movies and pop culture that I
think for me and my experience

448
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:29,640
really exemplified how animal
communication works for me, is

449
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,960
that movie with, I think her
name is Amy Adams.

450
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,480
The Arrival where the way that
they showed how she got the

451
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,080
messages through pieces,
flashes, experiences, and she

452
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,480
just knew how to weave it
together into a message that to

453
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,800
me really spoke to how I
received messages.

454
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,520
And a lot of times, because I
love pop culture, the animals

455
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,600
will drop in scenes from a
movie, you know, like a scene

456
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,760
from Goodwill hunting.
I'll be like, OK, we're dealing

457
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,160
around someone feeling like this
was their fault.

458
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,480
Got it.
We're going to move past that.

459
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,080
So, and then as far as messaging
goes, there's a lot of animal

460
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,440
communicators who get
information like, I like this

461
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,760
toy, you know, I like this food.
Or maybe they get a lot of

462
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,600
intuitive information around
physically what's going on in

463
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,240
their bodies.
Interestingly, for me, what

464
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,000
comes through most strongly is
what's going on in the human's

465
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,520
life through the lens of the
pet.

466
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,520
So, you know, I, all of us
receive informations and

467
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,400
different information in
different ways.

468
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,520
The messages and information
comes through.

469
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,800
Some people it's really linear.
Other people it's just messaging

470
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,200
that you tend to kind of combine
together and know what they're

471
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,960
saying.
And some do get direct

472
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,080
communication of like chats with
the pets.

473
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,760
Others get a lot of more
esoteric information.

474
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,800
So what I always remind my pet
parents who are like, I really

475
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,320
want to do animal communication
is, one, odds are they're

476
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,080
already doing it and they're
just not realizing it.

477
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,480
And two, having no expectation
about what kinds of messages are

478
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:59,640
coming in or how it looks.
Because at the end of the day,

479
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,880
we're all telepathically,
intuitively enacted.

480
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,960
And our animal companions just,
you know, sometimes it's helpful

481
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,280
to have that nudge to remember
you're doing it already.

482
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,920
Just trust those messages.
Yeah, well, I'm glad you said

483
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,440
that because that's actually one
of the things that I always like

484
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,400
to ask the animal communicators
I talked to on on the podcast is

485
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,720
like how you get those messages
because it's always different.

486
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,720
And I like highlighting that
because I didn't know that at

487
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,160
first, right?
Like I didn't know there were so

488
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,400
many different ways.
And I've, I've even had animal

489
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,280
communicators say like they'll
feel a pain somewhere on their

490
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:42,160
body if that animal is feeling a
pain in that place on their body

491
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:47,800
or like a melancholy feeling,
or, you know, just that they

492
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,760
don't always get the same kind
of information.

493
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,320
So I actually find it could be
beneficial to talk to many

494
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,760
different animal communicators,
even about the same pet, about

495
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,480
the same situation, because
they're going to get different

496
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,680
things in different ways.
What's what's, what's very

497
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,280
interesting is that I personally
think that we can also get

498
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,800
different things in different
ways from different animals

499
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,440
because they have their own
energy.

500
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,080
They have their own.
I don't know how many times that

501
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,640
soul has been on Earth, you
know, like there's just so many

502
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:27,720
different things that could be
going on.

503
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:33,840
So keeping yourself open to the
idea of it's just that change in

504
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:38,680
your energy or yeah, like maybe
you did hear something in in

505
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,120
your head and you're like
thinking you're going crazy.

506
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,720
But no, you never know.
Kind of like reminding people

507
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,040
also that as you evolve as a
communicator, the ways you

508
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,040
receive information, you know,
the sorts of information you get

509
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,800
evolves as well.
But one way that I'd like to

510
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,960
say, well, like if you're trying
to figure out like, how do I get

511
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,880
information?
How do I receive information?

512
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,040
I always say thanks to what you
had at lunch.

513
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,840
What did you have for lunch and
give you a second and then did

514
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,440
you think about it?
Did you see it?

515
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,000
Did you taste it?
Did you hear it?

516
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,000
Did you, you know, like how did
that come through or how do you

517
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,520
remember birthdays or phone
numbers?

518
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,520
Do you hear it in your head?
Do you see it written down on

519
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,600
paper?
Those are always interesting

520
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,760
ways to kind of get a sense of
how you are most prone to

521
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,440
communicate.
And then leveraging the tools

522
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,080
out there, animal Oracle cards.
I'm learning about symbolism of

523
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,040
different animals because
through that we create a really

524
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,320
beautiful and rich lexicon with
the universe to drop in signs

525
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,160
and messaging for us.
You know, we tend to think this

526
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,680
is something new or special or
unique, but if we look back to

527
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,160
all of like the first peoples
and native cultures, they all

528
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,200
were so tied to animals and the
messages and animals.

529
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,000
So if we have a jumping off
point, you can then tailor and

530
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,520
personalize it.
But it's always helpful to have

531
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,480
the beginning lexicon.
I want to jump into the

532
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,080
numerology because I'm so
fascinated by it and have never

533
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,520
spoken to anybody about it
before.

534
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,120
But before we do that, I'm
curious for both the dog

535
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,400
training and the the animal
communication.

536
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,440
And it could be one that
included both or it could be

537
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,680
different instances.
But what were some of the like

538
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,320
crazier, like, wow, how did I
get, how did how did we get

539
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,560
here?
How did we get through this?

540
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,120
Like things that you've been
through?

541
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,280
Yeah.
So with numerology, it's

542
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,240
interesting.
I use it more as a jumping

543
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,680
point.
So for me, whenever I'm going

544
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,440
into dog training session or I'm
going into an animal

545
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,000
communication session, I use
tech numerology.

546
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,520
I've pulled the numerology of
the human's name and the pet's

547
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,800
name because then I'm able to
see, you know, what are the

548
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,520
motivations and tendencies in
the humans, What numbers are

549
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,800
they missing?
And are those missing numbers in

550
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,680
the pet's name?
Because if you're missing a

551
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,400
number, it means it's a lesson,
a karmic lesson that you're here

552
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,600
to learn.
And if your pet has it, it means

553
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,200
they're helping you with that.
And I will say about numerology,

554
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,320
I know enough to be dangerous.
I'm not one of those people who

555
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,240
follows the rules like crazy
because to me, numerology is

556
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,560
just another lexicon with the
universe.

557
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,320
So rather than adhering very
dogmatically to, you know, the

558
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,160
numbers, the formula of
numerology, what interests me

559
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,920
more is the patterns within the
name.

560
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,800
So in numerology of people
aren't, you know, totally

561
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,800
familiar with it, we have the
letters of the alphabet, one

562
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,320
through, you know, A through Z,
and each letter is assigned a

563
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:45,120
number one through 9.
So you know, A is 1B is 2C is 3.

564
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,400
And when we get to the 12th
number of the alphabet, 1 + 2 =

565
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,640
3, we're always going to kind of
level it down to one through 9.

566
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,280
So when I see numbers like nine
and five side by side in a

567
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,720
human's name or a pet's name or
even both, to me that turns into

568
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,000
a big healer number.
They're big healers.

569
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,000
They can ship vibrations.
They're often processing the

570
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,880
energy for the family or their
pack.

571
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,000
So I know that their role there
is to act as a healer to help

572
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,160
kind of bring harmony and kind
of pacify that 95 healers are

573
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,080
able to put out that healing.
If I see a 59 side by side,

574
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,000
that's an empathic healer.
So 5 is all about bringing, you

575
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,320
know, things through your body,
experiencing the world through

576
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,280
your senses.
So that empathic healer acts

577
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,760
more like a Brita filter.
So they have to bring whatever

578
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,120
they're trying to like sort
through the energy into their

579
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,480
body and they put out higher
vibrations.

580
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:48,600
So if a human or a pet is a 59
healer, odds are it might be

581
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,640
tough on their body or pet has a
lot of accidents or, you know,

582
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,960
they're filtering and
eliminating at eliminating

583
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,680
energy the only way they know
how.

584
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,720
If I see six and nine side by
side, to me that 69 as it's

585
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,720
written out looks like a yin and
Yang symbol.

586
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,200
So in pets or humans, I'm like,
that's a very balanced energy.

587
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,040
They're self-sustaining, they're
good.

588
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,880
So for me, it's less about these
crazy revelations and more about

589
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:19,040
understanding the nuanced energy
that pet's name or a human's

590
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,120
name brings to the table.
And of course there's in

591
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,920
numerology, there's something
called master vibrations, and

592
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,480
there's three numbers, it's 1122
and 33.

593
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,280
And when we encounter those,
they're not simplified down to a

594
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,480
single digit.
Those just mean amplified

595
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,360
version of the different things.
So 11 has a lot to do with

596
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,400
psychic, intuitive, kind of
connected into the energy being

597
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,040
able to see beyond the veils.
By the way, Kimberly A is 11 /

598
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,280
2.
So it, Kimberly starts off with

599
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,640
that energy 22, that is AI, call
it the CEO number.

600
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,000
It is new foundations in love.
There's stability, there's

601
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,040
balance.
They're able to hold that

602
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,080
stability for those in their
path. 3rd and three is the

603
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,200
cosmic error.
They're basically, I call them

604
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,719
the little lunatics out there
because they're very tied into

605
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,120
planetary cycles, moon cycles.
And for a lot of the pets who

606
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:18,440
hold that 33 energy in their
name, we see accidents

607
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,639
happening, happening like
clockwork on like new moons or

608
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:25,560
full moons because they're
really tied to cosmic activity.

609
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,600
So to me, numerology has been
such a fun tool to understand

610
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,199
the best way to approach what's
going on in the training, but

611
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,080
also to understand the
relationship and dynamic between

612
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,239
the demon and the.
So when you're doing that with

613
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,920
their name, are you using like a
given name or what they're

614
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,360
called most often?
Because like we mostly call Kim

615
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,639
Kim, not Kimberly.
Like her name is Kimberly.

616
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,960
And we have all kinds of, and
I'm sure most pet parents do

617
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,120
too.
You have all kinds of different

618
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,880
like variations of the name that
you say all the time, but like

619
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,320
more often than not, we just
call her Kim.

620
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,960
I love that.
So for me, you know, if if you

621
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,040
were to adhere very strictly to
me, morality is to be what's on

622
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,960
your birth certificate.
And you have to know the moment,

623
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,360
you know, I like forget that my
philosophy on this is that

624
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,920
whatever name you use the most
is what is in the energy, what

625
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,600
you're projecting.
So my name on my, you know, I

626
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,680
have a middle name is Denise
Digs much.

627
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,920
I never use that.
I used to use much.

628
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,200
So that's what I would use.
So in Kimberly's case, for

629
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:38,720
example, Kim vibrates at a 24 /
6 and I love that energy because

630
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:41,840
6 is the nurturer caregiver
number.

631
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,240
It is all about, you know, when
we see pets that vibrate at the

632
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:48,400
energy of 6, their home and
their pack is their life.

633
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,880
They don't really need to go out
and play with so many other

634
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,520
dogs.
For them, it's all about their

635
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,640
family.
And even if you look at that

636
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,760
number six, it looks like a
woman looking down at her

637
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,680
pregnant belly.
So it also has to do for the pet

638
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,400
parents.
A lot of times it has to do with

639
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,160
looking back at parenting.
Now you're the parent putting

640
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,040
yourself in your parents shoes
and then, you know,

641
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,960
automatically seem like, wow, as
a parent, I do things very

642
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,840
differently.
I wish I'd been parented this

643
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,680
way or that way.
So our animal companions kind of

644
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,600
give us this fresh look on how
we were parented, what we want

645
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,520
to replicate and what we would
shift.

646
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,080
And as we make those shifts for
our animal companions, we're

647
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,120
also kind of re parenting
ourselves in some ways.

648
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,680
So Kim, with that energy of six,
it's just so sweet, so

649
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,280
nurturing.
It's all about harmony in the

650
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,200
home too.
And six, when I look at the

651
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,840
energy of six, a lot of times it
has to do with accidents.

652
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,040
So she might be one that if
we're not clearing the energy of

653
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,080
the home a lot, she might take
it upon herself to eliminate the

654
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,120
only way she knows how, which is
through accidents. 6 is also the

655
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,680
number of the six chakra, right?
The third eye.

656
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,000
So she helps you open up to your
intuition, to your vision.

657
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,000
So 6 pets are so sweet, so much
here for us and they really help

658
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,560
us kind of with our perception
about our parenting, our

659
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,440
reality, our home life and
vision for our life and and

660
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,960
trusting our intuition.
So much of that is on point for

661
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:25,160
everyone so I assume.
But I don't like to do that.

662
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,840
So tell me with the book that
you recently came out with on

663
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,920
translating your pets behavior,
you're combining all of these

664
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,840
things together for the pet
parent.

665
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,040
Tell me a little bit about the
book.

666
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,680
So on this book, it was really
meant to bridge the gap between

667
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,680
dog training and personal
development.

668
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,240
Because what I realized as I
start opening up to this mindful

669
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,440
approach of, you know, pet
parenting was, you know, there's

670
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,240
a lot of information on dog
training and then there's a lot

671
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:58,040
of information about the
esoteric roles that our pets

672
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,440
play in our lives and animal
communication.

673
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,120
But no one was really bridging
the gap and bringing the two

674
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,480
together.
So this book is premised on the

675
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,760
notion that our pets are one of
the most honest relationships in

676
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,040
our lives.
And as such, our energies are

677
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,320
meshed and through their
behavior, because we're so

678
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,040
enmeshed, their behavior
reflects our mindsets,

679
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,520
attitudes, habits, not only with
them, but more broadly in our

680
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,720
lives and our relationships with
our family, our friends, our

681
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,600
career.
So in this book I've translated

682
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,600
exactly what your pets behavior
is saying about themes in your

683
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,720
life that you have to look at.
So you know, when we understand

684
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,040
that our actions and our beliefs
affect our pets, if we're trying

685
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,440
to ship their behavior, it only
makes sense to ship ours as

686
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,440
well.
So this gives you a starting

687
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,040
point because people might say,
yeah, I get that my pet picks up

688
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,640
on the behavior.
I get that they reflect it, but

689
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,360
what are they saying?
Right?

690
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:00,360
And so this, this book, it
doesn't necessarily teach you

691
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,040
about numerology and teach you
about animal communication, but

692
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,880
it tells you, it helps you
translate what your pet is

693
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,960
saying so that you can open up
to your own intuitive abilities

694
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,280
as well.
So with on leash reactivity, you

695
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,800
know, there's practical training
tips, but it also speaks to the

696
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:22,480
first chakra of our, you know,
our energy centers and the cool

697
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,720
thing about our chakras that
people know about our 7 main

698
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,120
chakras, there are energy
centers and they're tied to

699
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,760
different parts of our body, but
also different emotional themes

700
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,760
that that we all experienced in
our lives like safety and

701
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,400
security, stability, boundaries,
fear of loss, you know,

702
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,920
intimacy, relationships to
passion, all these things.

703
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,400
Our seven major chakras line up
to our pets, seven major

704
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,760
chakras.
So it actually provides a

705
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,520
perfect energetic mirror of what
our pets are doing.

706
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,160
So I've mapped out what specific
behaviors like on leash

707
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,480
reactivity, separation anxiety,
unwanted behaviors like barking,

708
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,000
nipping, chewing, jumping, house
breaking, accidents, need for

709
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,680
leadership, and even the moments
of crisis with our pets like

710
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:14,960
loss or transition or if they're
sick, what those mean to us

711
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,320
energetically.
So the invitation becomes if

712
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,280
your dog has on leash
reactivity.

713
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,640
Let's look at other areas in
your life where you might be

714
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,600
feeling insecure or unstable, or
where do you lash out when you

715
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,880
feel insecure?
If we're looking at separation

716
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,880
anxiety with our the invitation
to you as the parent is to look

717
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,200
at where are you not creating
loving boundaries?

718
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,840
Where are you over giving?
Where are you creating barriers

719
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,960
versus boundaries and where do
you feel that you have to over

720
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,480
give and you're not worthy, your
needs aren't worthy?

721
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,480
When we're looking at managing
unwanted behaviors, where are we

722
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,000
not stepping into our power?
Where are we not, you know,

723
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,680
trusting our creative spark?
Where are we not engaging in

724
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,240
projects because we're worried
about how they're going to be

725
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:04,440
received out in the world?
Where are we procrastinating?

726
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,920
Where are we not stepping into
our mastery?

727
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,040
And so on.
So it kind of goes on from

728
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,120
there.
So this book truly is you know I

729
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,960
I know self help can be a loaded
word, but I like to think of

730
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,360
this philosophy as self help for
my sake.

731
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,240
Because through our pets
behavior we see ourselves

732
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:24,280
through different lights and
when we create change for us it

733
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,880
changes their behavior and their
energy as well.

734
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,840
One of the reasons why this is
so interesting to me is because

735
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,960
I have actually been trying to
figure this exact same thing out

736
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,920
with my dog lately.
In the past, not quite a year, I

737
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,680
knew all of the practical things
to do because she started acting

738
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,720
like there are areas of the
floor that she's scared to walk

739
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:53,000
on and she will actually like,
it's kind of crazy what she

740
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,040
does.
She she almost like, almost

741
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,280
intentionally like her feet are
sliding out from under her, like

742
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,560
she's fine.
And then all of a sudden she's

743
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,640
like that and we have hard
floors with like rugs all

744
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,920
around.
So she's like running from one

745
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,800
rug to get to the next rug kind
of thing.

746
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,680
And so I knew all the practical
things to do, right, keeping her

747
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,360
nails trimmed, keeping the fur
around her paw pads trimmed and

748
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,960
even trying other things like
the booties.

749
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,400
And there's so much rewarding
her and encouraging her and like

750
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,640
doing all the practical things.
And yet there are still, it's

751
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,360
not everywhere and it's not all
the time.

752
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,920
It's like certain areas.
So then my mind is like, OK,

753
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,000
energetically what is going on?
And so that's something that I

754
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,280
have been trying to figure out
for a long time.

755
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,920
And that's such a real world
example, right?

756
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,880
And you said a few things that
are so key there as we move into

757
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,080
a mindful approach to pet
guardianship, as we look at the

758
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,440
energy with our pets, it doesn't
mean that we're walking away

759
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,280
from the practical, right?
That's why I'm so passionate

760
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,320
about this book because it gives
you training tools.

761
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,320
It talks about the mental, you
know, like gives you kind of

762
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,520
mindsets that you want to look
at and change.

763
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,760
And then it talks about the
energetic connection of their

764
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,680
behavior and what you might be
experiencing in your life.

765
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,200
So, you know, as we move forward
with dog training, it's always

766
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,640
about mind body energy, right?
So making sure that physically

767
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,960
they're OK, they have the
training in place, mentally,

768
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,720
they're getting the stimulation
they need, they understand

769
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,200
what's expected of them, then we
can look at the energy.

770
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,360
So in your case, what I would
invite you to kind of start

771
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,640
considering is, you know, as him
is, you know, running and kind

772
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,240
of slipping.
That's such a beautiful example

773
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,000
of that metaphor of the ground,
the rug being pulled out from

774
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,080
underneath us, right?
Where do we feel like we were

775
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,240
running along in life?
And then all of a sudden how out

776
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,760
of nowhere we lost our footing,
we lost our grounding.

777
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,880
The floor was pulled out from
underneath us.

778
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:56,640
And so the invitation there
would be, you know what think

779
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,480
that when we talk about this
thing, what comes to mind and

780
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,680
how, you know, what kind of
belief came from that?

781
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,720
What behavior and habits were
shaped from that?

782
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,920
Did that happen anywhere else in
your life earlier in childhood,

783
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,280
anywhere else?
And how can we change our

784
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,280
mindset around that to have a
more empowering 1?

785
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,040
You know, one example that I
always use to kind of walk

786
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,560
through the steps that I
recommend in this book is the

787
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,200
5th chakra.
You know, my voice.

788
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,760
That's always been a thing for
me.

789
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,240
Not only do I have thyroid
issues, but I also feel like,

790
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,000
you know, using my voice.
Maybe, you know, I'm not always

791
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,080
heard or received the way that
I'd like.

792
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,000
And I remember back to, you
know, the corporate world.

793
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,480
And so, you know, if you think
of your dog barking, for

794
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,560
example, right, you want to ask
yourself, where do you feel that

795
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,080
in your body?
When you think of your dog

796
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,360
barking, where does it kind of
restrict in your body?

797
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,200
And for me, it was always right
in the throat.

798
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,160
I feel that construction right
there.

799
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:00,000
And so once you've identified
that, you want to say, OK, where

800
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,640
else in your life did you feel
that construction?

801
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,040
And so it might have been in a
meeting, an appropriate setting

802
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,880
where, you know, you said an
idea and then someone next to

803
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,640
you said the exact same thing.
And everyone's like.

804
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,440
Bravo.
Absolutely.

805
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,840
And you're like, I just said
that.

806
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,880
That's so bizarre.
So then the question would be,

807
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,240
what mindset was formed from
that?

808
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,840
And it might be that my voice
doesn't matter that I'm never

809
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,120
heard.
And then you say, OK, where else

810
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,920
did I feel that I was never
heard?

811
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,320
And it might go back to
childhood.

812
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,480
It might harken back to, you
know, people not making space or

813
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,160
time to really hear your
thoughts on a topic or how

814
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:35,760
you're feeling.
It was always kind of brushed

815
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,680
under the breath.
And so in those moments, the

816
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,720
invitation would be, what's a
more powering mindset that you

817
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,160
adopt?
What mantra can we speak into

818
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,080
reality when we start feeling
that constriction or the chakra?

819
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,120
And it might be that my voice is
powerful and authentic and

820
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,080
received by those ready to hear
it, right?

821
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,680
So next time my dog starts
barking, that's what I'm going

822
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,560
to repeat.
And if I'm working on my 5th

823
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,120
chakra, my voice, I would
actually repeat it out loud

824
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,600
because I think it's really
important for us to hear our

825
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,160
voice and hear ourselves.
See.

826
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,880
And what you'll notice through
that is you end up changing the

827
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,200
story, changing the outcomes,
changing your perception,

828
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,680
whether it's with your dog,
whether it's in the boardroom.

829
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,440
And as you learn to trust your
voice and use it more

830
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,920
authentically, odds are your
dogs barking alongside with

831
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,400
training of course, will you
know dissipate and you guys work

832
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,960
through that issue together.
Yeah, I think so many women

833
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:37,640
especially are definitely
feeling that, that throat chakra

834
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,960
right now.
I that's I'm actually, I've been

835
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,120
working on it.
I wear blue a lot around my neck

836
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,760
to remind me to like feel like
Yep you can say what you need to

837
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,920
say.
And the interesting thing is the

838
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,400
first course that I developed
under the the banner of pet

839
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,160
Prana when I started, you know,
working with pet parents and,

840
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,280
and kind of creating this
philosophy is it was called

841
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,640
healing with chakras.
And it does, it goes through

842
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,040
each behavior.
And in that course, it does talk

843
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,960
about not only the energy of
each chakra and the themes of

844
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:16,360
each chakra, but we talked about
the archetypes of each chakra

845
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,160
going from, you know, for the
5th chakra, it's about going

846
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,560
from the silent child to the
communicator.

847
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,920
And we talked about the sacred
geometry attached to the fifth

848
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,000
chakra, you know, the different
shapes that can add more power,

849
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,880
more symbolism.
We talked about which crystals

850
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,160
help amplify the energy of the
5th chakra.

851
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,360
We talked about the numerology.
And then we go into the training

852
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,440
and the energetic and the
mindsets because that true.

853
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,400
I think in order to address our
energy, their energy, it's so

854
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,520
helpful to have all this
energetic layering.

855
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,320
They all can be points of
reference that help us identify

856
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,240
those patterns in other ways and
other contexts in our lives.

857
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,960
I'm also a huge fan of using
crystals when we're doing

858
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,680
genuine.
So your dog has a lot of, you

859
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,280
know, behaviors that are on
barking, you know, a pet pendant

860
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,480
with, you know, a blue crystal
or even, you know, putting one

861
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,080
in the space can be really
powerful to help just amplify,

862
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,440
set those intentions and, you
know, assist us along the way.

863
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,800
I love that so much.
So can you tell me a little bit

864
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,600
more about what's available at
petprana.com?

865
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,040
So if you're in the Los Angeles
area, you can always, you know

866
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,880
what I want training with me.
If you are not in the Los

867
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,360
Angeles area, Ioffer remote
training sessions as well.

868
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,360
You know, post pandemic,
everybody's familiar with Zoom.

869
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,280
And I was doing it even before
then to kind of work with my

870
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,440
clients in New York when I moved
to LA.

871
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,240
There's on demand online classes
for each of the pet behaviors,

872
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:51,760
which tackles those pet
behaviors with traditional

873
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,920
training, but also outlining the
energetic considerations and

874
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,440
activities to do with your pets.
And in those downloadable

875
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:05,040
courses, there's how to videos,
there's PBS, there's meditation.

876
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,120
So it's really kind of
all-encompassing to however you

877
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,400
learn.
And then there's a lot of online

878
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,440
courses that through animal
communication, I learned, you

879
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,760
know, it's just the relationship
with pets and how they influence

880
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,800
and how they help us expand
really blossoms.

881
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,240
So there's a course on
numerology so you can learn to

882
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:27,360
do numerology with your pets.
There's a course on opening your

883
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,880
intuition through pets, finding
balance with your pets, and

884
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,680
Labyrinth Healing the Chakras is
on there as well, which is super

885
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,440
comprehensive.
So there's a little bit of

886
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,440
everything on that website.
But if you're interested in this

887
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,160
more mindful approach to pet
guardianship and you're part of

888
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,000
this new vanguard of pet
parents, you know, I think it's

889
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,200
a fun place to sniff around and
just check out and see what's

890
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:55,120
available.
And where can people find your?

891
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,960
So my books available on Amazon
and it's translating your pets

892
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:04,080
behavior or you can search
Denise Monge, but it's on there.

893
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,720
Yeah.
I love that and thank you so

894
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:11,960
much for taking the time to come
on and talk, to talk to us.

895
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,440
Always very enlightening.
I think I say this all the time.

896
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:21,280
I think I learn just as much, if
not more as whoever is listening

897
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,640
to every episode.
I'm definitely I'm going to read

898
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,840
this book because now that
you've described it a little bit

899
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,400
better, I'm like, I wonder if
this could actually like

900
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:38,640
reignite that spark I have for
working with, you know, dog

901
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:43,480
training parents again, because
it it's, it's definitely

902
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,880
something that has never left my
mind, but has just felt so

903
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,720
heavy, if that makes any sense.
And I'm like, I just don't want

904
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:57,560
the heaviness.
I want it to feel light in it

905
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:02,600
because I think going in, like
if I bring that heaviness in,

906
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,440
I'm not being effective and I
don't, I don't want to do that.

907
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,880
I don't want to people to like
not, not get out of it what they

908
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,800
expect to get out of it.
And so like I want, I want that

909
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,560
joyful airiness back.
And I felt that there was a

910
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,360
moment that I tried to leave dog
training for that very reason.

911
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,040
I was like, this just feels kind
of boring.

912
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:28,600
We're bossing around dogs and I
think I even sent out a couple

913
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,640
resumes to get back into
advertising.

914
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,920
And I think at that moment the
universe was like, oh, no, no,

915
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,040
no, no.
We got we got a real her back

916
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,160
in.
And that's when this all opened

917
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,520
up.
And now I can't imagine myself

918
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,120
doing anything else.
Like this is what I wake up and

919
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,240
brings me so much joy.
So I totally relate with

920
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,120
sometimes when you're not, you
know, certain things feel heavy,

921
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,680
but when you get a new
perspective, now you're

922
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,600
reinvigorated.
And I'm just so grateful for you

923
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,320
for holding this platform for us
to have these conversations.

924
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,400
Because when we can connect with
a pack of like hearted parents,

925
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,440
you know, this is where not only
do we create change and

926
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,640
transformation for ourselves,
but we're kind of raising the

927
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,520
vibrations of how people
perceive and, you know, the

928
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,280
possibilities and what they
bring to our lives.

929
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,960
So thank you for, you know,
creating this beautiful space

930
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,200
for us to share and celebrate
our furry friends.

931
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,440
You're so sweet.
Thank you so much.

932
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,920
I love it.
So it's an easy thing for me to

933
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,360
do.
So guys, please do go check out

934
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:38,880
Pet prana.com and look up
Denise's book on Amazon.

935
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,080
It's called Translating your
pets behavior.

936
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,840
Learn what their behavior says
about you to train smarter, not

937
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,040
harder.
I love that all of those

938
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,440
marketing buzzwords love it so
much, but it's so true, so very

939
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,720
true.
So thank you again, Denise, for

940
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:58,240
everything that you do for our
pets and pet parents.

941
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,200
Thank you.