181. 10 Senior Dog Care Tips Every Pet Parent Must Know with Sean Zyer from EarthBuddy

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Welcome back pet parent.
Today we are talking about

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senior dogs and this is
something that is so special to

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me and I found out it's very
special to my guest as well.

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I have always had a soft spot in
my heart for senior dogs and

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cats and anytime I've ever
adopted an animal it has been

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usually an older animal.
Kim, my dog, was probably one of

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the youngest animals I've ever
adopted at 2 1/2.

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I'm just such a sucker for the
seniors.

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I hate so much the idea of a
senior animal, any animal, but

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like especially a senior animal
being in a shelter or a foster

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home where like it's, it's like
this transition period for them.

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And that should not be the case,
especially for an animal that's

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coming up on the end of their
life.

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And there's so much that we can
do.

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I think so much of what we can
do for our seniors is something

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that or our thing is that we
probably should be doing

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throughout their life, but it
just becomes so much more

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apparent as they reach their
senior years.

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So without any then too much for
ado, my guest today is Sean Zyer

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with Earth Buddy Pet.
He's definitely been on the show

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before, so I'm sure you're going
to recognize his voice.

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But Sean, thank you so much for
being back with us and for

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agreeing to talk about senior
dogs today.

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Thank you for having me and Amen
to what you said.

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I agree with all of it.
Yeah, I just have.

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I don't know what it is like.
I love puppies.

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I love kittens.
They're amazing.

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They're wonderful.
They're adorable.

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I want to be surrounded by them
all the time.

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But it's the senior animals that
like, really, really have my

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heart.
I just maybe there's something

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in me that's like, I don't want
to be alone when I'm old, so I

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don't want them to be in their
old.

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I don't know.
But I also realized as I was

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preparing for today's episode
that more than half of my

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clients are senior animals, like
10 and up.

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In fact, a couple of dogs that I
just recently onboarded are like

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14-16, like they're, they're
older and they're, they have so

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many issues.
And of course, I can't help but

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think, and I don't convey this
because I never want anybody to

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feel bad about decisions they
made in the past when you don't

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know, you don't know.
But like I can always say, I

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always think like, man, we could
have intervened so much earlier

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in this animal's life, right?
So this talk really isn't just

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about like only if you have a
senior animal.

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There's so many things we can do
preparing our dog to live a very

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healthy, comfortable life and in
their senior years, but then

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also once they get to their
senior years, there are some

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things that we can do in
addition to kind of help them,

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help them out a little bit.
So where does your love of

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senior animals come from?
Oh gosh, it's, it's very broad

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and it's very, it's very close
to my heart.

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And so before I can kind of tell
you the, the back story, I think

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adopting a senior dog is one of
the most noble, but also one of

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the most challenging things you
can do as a pet parent.

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And I and I think people that
have the right circumstance and

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the right attitude and the
right, you know, kind of set up

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for a senior animal, it's by far
one of the most rewarding and

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noble things you can do as a pet
parent.

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That kind of leads me to like
where my love of senior dogs has

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always been a challenge for me
because in starting Earth Buddy

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in 2016, you know, I saw so many
older pets and, and pet parents

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kind of in a couple different
situations where they're

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throwing up their hands.
They've tried everything, you

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know, medically and there's only
so much money.

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You have a lot of times for
these senior dogs that you start

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looking for these natural
alternatives and, and

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modalities.
And I think that's great, but

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it's also really hard and
there's a lot of mistakes that

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you can make, which I have made
myself.

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And then the other side is like
really just having a dog that I

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started the company for.
And Kiva and I, I talk about

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Kiva on every interview and
every podcast I could possibly

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do because she is such a model
for how well they'll teach us.

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And, you know, of course I love
talking about products and

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stuff, but you know, they teach
us about patients, They teach us

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about being being kind to others
and just having that ability to,

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you know, work with someone who
isn't quite what they used to

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be.
And they're such individuals.

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And a lot of times things arise
as they age.

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And what I say all the time,
kind of just from a giving them

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product standpoint is they age
much faster than us.

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And they go through a lot of the
same issues that we do, whether

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it's cognitive decline or joint
issues or, you know, trauma

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that, you know, we've been
holding in for so long.

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Dogs especially and cats
especially are so stoic.

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They can hold things in for so
long and then all of a sudden

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they're stressed about little
things and reactive to certain

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things as they get old.
So there's so much we can talk

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about when it comes to senior
dogs, specifically my love for

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senior dogs.
So I'd like to start with Kiva

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because she was a drug resistant
epileptic dog that was, you

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know, I adopted her from a
family member at 13 and she was

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on really high doses of
phenobarbital and it wasn't

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controlling her cluster seizures
and she wasn't eating also

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because of that.
And she was pretty emaciated.

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And, you know, unfortunately the
parents that I got her from

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there wasn't nothing against
them, but they just didn't know

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any better.
And they were feeding her like

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gas station kibble and it just,
you know, the quality of life

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situation and me bringing her in
was really about just, hey, I'm

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in the pet industry.
I've worked for pet foods.

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I can at least give her some
good food.

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And I know some people in the
cannabis industry and maybe we

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can try that out and see if it
just gives her some comfort.

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And you know, what we found was
we can make a really good treat

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and that she'll actually eat it.
And then that actually

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stimulated her appetite further
to eat more good foods.

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And the whole process of
managing her issues with that

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allowed us to keep her around
another year and a half.

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And through that process.
Holy cow, you know, you, you

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want to throw the kitchen sink
at these older dogs when they,

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when they really start going
downhill.

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And you know, if I could say
anything today, almost 10 years

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later, going into earth, buddy,
is go slow with these old dogs.

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They are slow in these old pets
and don't feel like just because

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they're old, you have to do all
the things you have to do all

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the medicine, all the
supplements, all the different

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foods.
I think it's important to note

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that just going slow and, and
really trying to see what works,

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one thing at a time and not
trying to just throw the kitchen

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sink at them, I think is the
best way to kind of handle these

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older dogs.
But I am such a big fan of

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people adopting older dogs.
I think they're the least

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adopted or older dogs and cats.
I don't want to limit the cats.

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I think cats and dogs that are
in their senior ages are like

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the least adopted pets.
And if people have the means and

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the ability to do so, gosh, I
hope they can.

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I hope they can because those
pets so often, you know, end up

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passing in the, in the
facilities or at the at the

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places where, you know, the
adoption centers and fosters.

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That's the word I was looking
for.

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And, and it's such a tough thing
because it puts strain on the

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fosters because they don't
always have the biggest funding

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situation either.
So there's a lot of parts that

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we can connect to and I and I
kind of ramble down about all of

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them.
So I'm happy and any of them

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that you want.
Well, one of the things that

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really stood out that you just
said, and I think this is

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something that my dog Kim is
teaching me now, she just kind

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of hit her senior year.
She just turned 11.

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So for a smaller dog, it's like
she's at that beginning stages

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of of hitting, hitting her
senior years.

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She has definitely been teaching
me to slow down and not throw

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everything at her.
She will absolutely not eat if I

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put too much in her food.
And not even, it doesn't even

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have to be supplements.
It can be like added foods like

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adding veggies and adding
mushroom broth and add, you

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know, like all the things that I
want to add to her food.

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She's like, no, you're putting,
you're putting way too much on

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me.
I don't want that.

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Yes.
Because I am really big into

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doing as much with food as I can
before supplementing.

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I mean she does get a full
spectrum hemp everyday.

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But other than that, like as far
as supplements go, it's it's

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mostly food for for her and she
just is like no, not doing.

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She not only will not eat but
then like she doesn't want to

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eat for days and weeks after
even if I take the stuff out of

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her food.
So she's definitely teaching me

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that I think that it's like you
can have the best intentions in

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the world and everything that
you're trying to do be like

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normal, natural and wonderful
and could be so beneficial.

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But you have really have to take
that animal that's sitting in

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front of you into account and
like go with their pace and do

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what they're willing to do.
Because I mean you, you want

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them to eat before anything
else.

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Like don't ruin, don't ruin the
enjoyment of their food.

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This.
Is something I'm learning with

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my dog, but with so with senior
animals.

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One of The thing is that you
mentioned and and that I was

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thinking about coming into this
is they do slow down.

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They do they they don't produce
the digestive enzymes they used

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to their joints can get achy.
They can have that change in

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cognitive abilities.
There's a lot that could be

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going on in a just in a normal
average healthy, there wasn't

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anything else going on.
There are no other like disease

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processes that we're concerned
about, but just in the normal

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process of aging.
And then we can Add all of these

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like a chronic illnesses on top
of that, that of course, we know

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sadly the majority of of dogs
and cats are suffering with.

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So what are some of the things
that you like to do to maybe

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prepare going into the senior
years?

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OK, so yeah, I, I, I kind of had
a hunch that you were going to

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ask me something along these
lines.

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And one of the main things that
I've learned not only from my

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own pets, but just so many of
our colleagues in the veterinary

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world is number one, first and
foremost, is keeping their

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weight down.
They should be at a healthy

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weight and they should get
regular exercise.

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That's the easiest thing we can
do.

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And surprise surprise, that
applies to us too.

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I think managing your pets
weight early on is the best way

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we can avoid a lot of these
severe health issues.

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And even if they do come about
as they're getting into their

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senior phase, it's a lot easier
to manage if you don't add this

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obesity to that animal.
So if you know, whatever the

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issue is, whether it's joint
issues and more severe immune

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issues like cancer or you know,
neurological issues, whether

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it's cognitive decline or
seizures, if you add the fact

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that they're overweight, well,
now all those things get

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exacerbated and you're, you're
dealing with a really uphill

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battle.
So the first and foremost, keep

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their weight down, get them
regular exercise, try to work on

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their calorie intake versus
their expenditure.

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And, and these are all basic
things that we all know, but we

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don't realize.
And, and one thing I just want

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to point out is, you know, one
thing I noticed with, with dogs

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that I've had for the majority
of their life, you know, I've, I

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adopt all my dogs too, is that
they're still young and they're

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still puppies until they aren't.
And then all of a sudden it's

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like one day, my gosh, you got
old.

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And, and we forget that they are
aging, but they're so especially

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if we kept him healthy.
Like, you know, my, my other dog

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that I had simultaneously with
Kiva, his name was Tito.

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He was 12 when we found out,
found a lump on his thyroid.

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And from the time I found that
lump and from the time it was

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diagnosed as cancerous, God, he
aged so fast, like within like

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six months and just everything
kind of really went towards the

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bad side and it was devastating.
And, you know, he was a

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relatively healthy dog.
I kept his weight really good.

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But for whatever reason, you
know, just like us, it's like

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sometimes pets get that get the
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these cancers and and, you know,
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minimum start with the weight.
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like really easy things that I
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prior dogs and pets in general.
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easier on my saying goodbye
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really like still irk me today
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veterinary team and diagnostic
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give you consistent info and
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look like.
Understand kind of what you know

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process kind of dialed.
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things, you can retest blood and
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only time we go to the doctor.
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I think vets have a huge toolbox
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as veterinarians and they see
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they're good at.
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three or four, maybe even adding
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touch therapy, like massage
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of these soft tissue therapies.
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options for your pets would be
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especially as they get older.
So then you know, OK, we can, we

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can ramp up cold laser or
whatever The thing is, but I

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don't have to go to the primary
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adding in these different

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treatments that will really help
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senior years.
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where we're going.
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care team for your animal is
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because I do.
As as amazing as our

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veterinarians are, I think we
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do, than they should have to do.
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We as pet parents really need to
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our pets care team and to create
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individuals, including your, you
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they have some amazing that
they're, they're an amazing

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resource.
They're like, they're like the

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receptionist of the healthy pet
worker groomers.

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You're veterinarian.
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veterinarian that you do
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specialty veterinarians.
I'm a nutritionist.

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depending on what your pets
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were talking about it was Tito,
right, how he declined so

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quickly once you found that he
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thyroid.
And as sad as that is, and I'm

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obviously sadder for you, you
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that we want them to have the
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they are living their lives to
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the absolute quickest, shortest
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short and we just don't realize
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prevalent that we just don't

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realize it how how much they
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I, I know when I look at like, I
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with my dog and my cats who are,
I mean, my cats are 16 and they

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have their issues.
They live the first like almost

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half of their life being raised
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and all of the pharmaceuticals
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with my cats right now.
But I feel lucky that I still

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have them and they're relatively
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dog who's like, amazingly

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healthy to the point where we're
out on walks and people will

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come up and be like, how old is
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They're like, no way.
Like she doesn't look like it.

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She doesn't act like it.
Her energy level is amazing.

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family, they're animals.
I'm like, how, how are you not

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noticing?
I don't even live with this

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animal.
And I noticed that their their

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quality of life is nowhere near
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like blind to it because it's so
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another thing just from my

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standpoint is I think, you know,
regular blood testing is

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baseline.
That's like a given.

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I've had is that there's other
diagnostic testing that we can

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do and really pinpoint kind of
how to figure out their diet and

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get kind of a better, more clear
direction, which undoubtedly

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will make you observe your dog a
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you were just saying.
I think a lot of times, you

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know, like with Tito, I mean,
he, you know, again, my

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background is in, in pet food.
So I worked for major pet food

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companies and I fed him pet food
and his digestion, his coat,

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everything was always good.
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it.
And until I did so, you know, I

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just assumed he was healthy.
His poop was always good, his

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coat looked great.
His teeth were relatively good.

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But I didn't do enough testing
and I didn't really look under

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the hood to see what was going
on enough that I may have missed

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something in the years leading
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Don't just think because they

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look good and they're they're
still up for walks and they're

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still, you know, running around
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energy.
Everything is perfect.

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I think it's good just to have a
check in with not only

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diagnostic diagnostic testing,
but also one thing I've been

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really keen on lately is just
doing a once over on their body,

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just kind of feeling around
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there's not any issues with
them, with you touching them,

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especially as their owner, you
can manipulate their joints and

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kind of make sure they have full
range of motion.

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I think feeling under, you know,
like under, you know, their,

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their legs and, and kind of
around the joint capsules and

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stuff like that and kind of
giving them like a free massage

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for that and they'll love it.
I think is really good because

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sometimes you might, you might
poke at something like, Oh, they

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didn't like that.
Why don't they like that?

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into how they're sitting

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regularly that you just thought
that's how they sit.

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So there's so many things that
we can take upon ourselves.

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And I, you know, I'll just
mention a couple resources that

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I like.
I like innovate pet labs and for

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diagnostic testing, I like
parsley pet.

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I'm actually going to go through
that here like in the next few

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weeks with their testing for my,
my current dog.

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But these are all things that
I'm now taking the reins and

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going, Hey, you know, my, my vet
is great.

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My veterinary team is great.
I have a nutritionist, I have, I

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have touch therapy that I can
work with.

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And then I'm going to Start
learning from one of the vet

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techs.
But that's all pretty expensive.

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I could take some of this on my
own command and, and really

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start to understand what I can
do nutritionally for my dog now.

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So I, I wish I had this insight
with my dogs while I was

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starting earth buddy, but I just
didn't.

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those things and I, and I don't

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want people to have to do that
because sometimes your pet is

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just fine, fine, fine.
And then all of a sudden you're

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like, Oh my gosh, we got to do
everything.

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Yeah, well, I'm, I'm glad you
keep bringing up diagnostic

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testing actually, because I, I
just did a real recently about

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the four tests that I wish every
dog parent would do.

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And you said that, you know,
blood tests are kind of like a

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duh, like everybody knows that.
But actually, I find that I

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didn't realize this until I
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with clients.
It isn't.

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It's something that nobody does.
And veterinarians, most

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veterinarians often don't even
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a problem with an animal.
And so actually having a blood

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panel done earlier on when
there's nothing wrong so that

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you know, it's a good day and
your dog is healthy and you have

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a baseline to actually be able
to look back on when something

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does go wrong.
So you're like, well, you know,

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something here is slightly
elevated, but that doesn't seem

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like a big deal.
But then if you look back at the

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baseline when the animal is
healthy and it's actually like

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jumped up considerably like then
you actually know that.

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definitely just that, you know,

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full blood panel, CBC, that that
kind of thing.

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Parsley pet or you know, hair
tissue mineral analysis is

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definitely on there for me.
I love that you're not only

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getting like the nutrient
absorption, but also that like

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toxicity levels in the body.
I think that both that that's

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probably one of the most
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do.
Of course, I love innovative pet

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lab microbiome testing and
omega-3 testing.

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So many of our diet, our dogs
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diets, we are deficient in Omega
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easy to get a good quality

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omega-3.
You really have to do your

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research on that.
But that is definitely, maybe we

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can kind of segue into some
supplements because omega-3

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supplementation is huge for me
throughout a dog's life, you

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know, they really, really need
it as a puppy for building their

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brain.
It's still important throughout

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their life.
But then once they get into

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their senior years, I think it's
like really, really important

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again for, you know, the
anti-inflammatory properties

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that it has throughout the body.
What are some of the other

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supplements that you really look
for in supporting a senior

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animal?
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one, I think, I think from a
supplementation standpoint,

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Omega threes, EPA and DHA,
that's a good starting measure,

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I would say.
And and we don't make a fish oil

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product that's a whole different
ball of wax because sourcing is

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wild in that, you know, just off
the top of my head, I I really

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like Nordic Naturals and.
And I know you had a talk with

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Jonah and, and you know, from
from what I've learned from

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people like him and other
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with, like you really want to
look at high EPA and DHA.

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make sure I get the highest

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possible amount.
And it seems like from what I

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can tell, both personally and
for pets, they tolerate it

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really well at pretty high
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really well.

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I mean, healthy fats in general.
I think another kind of 1B to

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that would be MCT oil.
MCT is a tricky topic.

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It's medium chain triglycerides.
They're 50%, they're what makes

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up 50% of what a coconut is.
And it's most of the fat sourced

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from the coconut.
And there's, there's, you know,

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three main forms that we talk
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You want all three and you want
to have a brand that has all

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three showing on their label.
And then obviously we mix that

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with our CBD.
So we make sure that, you know,

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our supply of MCT has those
different fat sources or

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different medium chain
triglycerides.

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And you know, both fish oil and
MCT both have tons of good study

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data on improving cognitive
function, keeping lean muscle

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mass and, and weight down.
There's you can go on and on

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about the benefits of healthy
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they're super absorbable too.
Most pets can tolerate pretty

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good doses, like even human
suggested doses.

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00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,240
And then secondary to those, and
I don't think this gets talked

445
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,640
about a lot, but I think it's
starting to be a little bit more

446
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,200
of a popular topic is
glutathione pathways.

447
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,920
We can address this a couple
different ways.

448
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,640
And I think you can do, you
know, just from a, a natural

449
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,080
food standpoint, there are
carciferous vegetables that you

450
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,280
can add to your pet's diet from
a whole food standpoint to

451
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,520
encourage natural glutathione
production.

452
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,200
And just thinking about again,
pets are aging faster than us.

453
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,440
And just like us, our
glutathione production goes down

454
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,880
as we age.
And So what glutathione is, is

455
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,680
it's the master antioxidant that
our bodies make.

456
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,640
It's found in every cell in our
body and it is the

457
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,920
detoxification or antioxidant
that is responsible for kind of

458
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,840
removing these toxins from our
body.

459
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,400
Same with our pets, especially
if they've been, you know, a

460
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,240
long term kibble fed dog.
Like there's a lot that goes

461
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,400
into the, the kibble side of
things and, and I'll spare that

462
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,960
conversation today, but the
reality is, is regardless if

463
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,000
it's kibble or not, you know,
foods are going to have toxins

464
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,360
in them.
And they also don't wear shoes.

465
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,960
So their feet are touching all
kinds of ground.

466
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,720
There's toxins in the
environment, there's toxins in

467
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,160
the air.
And they are much more exposed

468
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,120
to them because a lot of times
they're walking barefoot outside

469
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,160
in their paws.
And so their paws absorb things.

470
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,680
You know, if you live in an
apartment complex, most

471
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,920
apartments and, and, and you
know, communities that have lawn

472
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,640
care are spraying heavily with
pesticides and herbicides and

473
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,760
things like that.
So our pets are exposed to all

474
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,800
this plus our cleaning supplies
at home.

475
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,560
So that's a whole wormhole.
So how do we, how do we kind of

476
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,560
fight against that?
And I think the best way is

477
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,480
addressing the glutathione
pathways.

478
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,520
And so where that kind of leads
me from a supplementation

479
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,000
standpoint is we have a
liposomal glutathione product

480
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,360
that not only provides them with
a pretty good dose of an

481
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:35,280
encapsulated form of glutathione
to incur to not only help that

482
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:40,120
detoxification process, but also
we add amino acids that are the

483
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,920
building blocks of this
glutathione antioxidant and help

484
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,880
their natural production.
And primarily where glutathione

485
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,840
specifically is produced is in
the liver.

486
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,200
They find the most abundant
amounts of glutathione is in the

487
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,520
liver.
So addressing that through the

488
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,560
liver with these different
aminos is a great way to keep

489
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,160
your pet healthy and young
feeling and keep their

490
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,880
personality and keep their
appetite up for for your

491
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,360
circumstance.
So it's like that is probably

492
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,360
the second thing I would look at
is like, one, healthy shots and

493
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,240
two, addressing that glutathione
pathway.

494
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,400
And you could do it with Whole
Foods to start if they're

495
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,200
relatively healthy.
But I think when things are

496
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,800
starting to really slow down,
whether it's their, you know, I

497
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,000
see a lot of pets with the
glossed over eyes and they're

498
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,560
relatively healthy looking, but
that, those eyes, you know, I

499
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,000
think one of the vets that we,
that we know talks about how

500
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,800
like the eyes are the, the
pathway to the liver or, you

501
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,560
know, there's a, it's a saying
like that.

502
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,600
But you know, a lot of times
when these pets get the glaucoma

503
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,080
or the glossed over eyes and
they start losing their sight.

504
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,680
And that's a good indicator of
there's some liver issues.

505
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,080
So we can address these things
with glutathione

506
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,840
supplementation.
I know vets are now doing

507
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,680
intravenous application of
glutathione, which is the most

508
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,920
optimal way to get glutathione
into a pet, especially older

509
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,840
pet.
However, it is pretty cost

510
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,400
prohibitive and it's expensive,
including for us.

511
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:14,920
So I think finding a supplement
that has a good form of it and a

512
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,960
quality form, which is what we
make is really one of the best

513
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,600
ways you can address that.
So and I have a couple other

514
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,440
supplements but I I can go on
and on about glutathione.

515
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,720
Yeah.
Well, I think glutathione is

516
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,440
something that definitely under
we, we don't talk about it

517
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,720
enough.
And maybe that's because people

518
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,320
weren't paying a whole lot of
attention to it for a very long

519
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,240
time.
But really quickly, I did want

520
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,120
to kind of circle back to the
fact that you brought up MCT oil

521
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:48,760
because I, I get a lot of
pushback on both fish oil and

522
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:54,120
MCT oil because so many dogs
struggle with pancreatitis.

523
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:59,040
And MCT is actually doesn't, the
body doesn't process it the same

524
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,320
way.
So it actually can be very

525
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,920
beneficial for dogs with
pancreatitis to, to incorporate

526
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,720
MCT oil into their diet for all
the reasons you mentioned.

527
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,000
But it doesn't, it doesn't have
that same effect.

528
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:16,560
Whereas, you know, these fatty
oils can sometimes cause flare

529
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,880
ups in a dog that has like,
chronic pancreatitis,

530
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,600
pancreatitis issues.
And so I wanted to kind of throw

531
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,000
that in because I know that's
that for me at least, that's

532
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,640
something I get a lot of
pushback with is like, oh, but

533
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,360
my doc has pancreatitis.
I can't do this.

534
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:29,640
I can't do that.
Right?

535
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,400
And there's a lot of education
that I think we could do a whole

536
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,040
episode on on pancreatitis.
But yeah, the glutathione, that

537
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,840
is something that I only
recently, like in the past few

538
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:47,920
years learned about and I did
mostly learn about it for

539
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,840
supporting the liver, like you
said, that's where we find the

540
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,960
the like abundance of it in our
bodies.

541
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,320
So that's something that you
definitely want to look at for

542
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,640
supporting senior dogs.
What are some of the other

543
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,360
supplements?
You said you had a couple other

544
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,240
ones.
Yeah, I think when we look at

545
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,080
older pets, there's there's kind
of a couple of different ways

546
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,640
when we talk about cannabis.
One, I think what I said in the

547
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,760
beginning was a lot of times our
pets are so stoic their whole

548
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,760
life that they might not have
been reactive to something.

549
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,880
And then out of nowhere, and I
as a company that makes CBD

550
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,800
products, I'll just say CBD
products, but more cannabis

551
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,840
extracts.
What we hear a lot of times is

552
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,000
my dog was totally fine and then
out of nowhere this last July

553
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,200
4th or this last rain season,
they, they freaked out and

554
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,800
something, you know, triggered
them.

555
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,480
And it's like, I believe you,
but I also think that that has

556
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,240
always been something that
bothered them.

557
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,600
They're just so stoic at hiding
it.

558
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,080
And it's so important again, to
kind of be more observant of our

559
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,440
pets, especially when they're
young because sometimes they

560
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,760
just show that stress a little
bit differently.

561
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,120
But as they're older, they're
like, you know what, I'm old and

562
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,800
I can't hold this in anymore.
That freaks me out.

563
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,360
I'm bummed out about it.
So I think just a really good

564
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,720
full spectrum CBD for those dogs
that all of a sudden do have,

565
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:23,360
you know, more visible triggers
or reactivity to loud noises or

566
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,080
big booms where the doorbell,
for that matter, or weird

567
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,960
relatives coming over for the
holidays.

568
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,840
Think I think it's really
important to consider a a full

569
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,880
spectrum CBDI.
Think also just the added

570
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,040
benefit of with us adding the
MCTS in there, one as a carrier

571
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,160
oil, but two, it's also just a
healthy fat and CBD and cannabis

572
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,560
pairs well with fat in terms of
absorbing and staying in the

573
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,800
bloodstream longer.
I think they pair really well

574
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,400
together and that keeps the
brain healthy too.

575
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,880
So healthy fats just take all
the, the, the benefits of what

576
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,560
cannabis and CBD does.
I think those healthy fats are

577
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,960
going to help, you know, add
more fat to their diet that

578
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,080
could be healthy.
And then on the pancreatitis

579
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,639
side, one thing when we hear
this is like, of all the things

580
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,520
that are going to trigger the
pancreatitis, if they keep going

581
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,480
into it, it's least likely going
to be a cannabis product.

582
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,719
Because ideally most of our
products you're only doing at

583
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,800
most per dosage about a
milliliter of oil.

584
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,320
And there's not enough, you
know, volume to really see how

585
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,159
that could trigger a pet back
into an issue.

586
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,480
So I don't see a lot of pet
owners that have this issue say,

587
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,040
oh, I gave them the, the, the
CBD product and then it put them

588
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,840
in a, in an issue.
However, I did just have a vet

589
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,880
today talk about another product
that they gave to an animal or a

590
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:56,000
patient gave a different product
to an animal and they did have

591
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,040
an issue with it.
So it's not, it's not like a

592
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,880
straight line.
However, I don't see it a lot

593
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:07,200
with our products in terms of a
pet that has that concern and

594
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,240
wants to do that.
And often times just from the

595
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,640
inflammatory response
standpoint, it could be good for

596
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,240
that animal in getting those
healthy fats.

597
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,560
Like you said, it's a different
pathway and they're they're

598
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,240
processed differently and more
the concern with with

599
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,640
pancreatitis I see a lot of
times is, you know, really low

600
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,960
quality processed animal fat is,
is the basic way to say that

601
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,520
again.
Now when it comes to cannabis, I

602
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,760
just want to jump back into that
is not every pet just becomes

603
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,360
reactive as they get older.
So I think a lot of times and

604
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,400
one thing that I noticed with
older pets is they don't always

605
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,960
need a ton of CBD because it can
be a bit sedative.

606
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,720
And if an older dog or cat for
the most part is sleeping 16 to

607
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:59,120
18 hours a day, maybe that's not
the right formulation of

608
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,560
cannabis that they they should
be on.

609
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,720
And so one of the things that we
did, you know, in in early 2020

610
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,280
was start looking at different
formulations of different

611
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,840
extracts that we grow on our
farm.

612
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:17,040
And we started looking at
cannabinoids like CBG or the raw

613
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,920
extract in CBDA in that they are
a little bit less sedative.

614
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,040
They still will have a calming
effect, but they are much less

615
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,440
sedative than I've seen with
other extracts in CBD.

616
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,480
And a lot of times they act on
different pathways than just

617
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,280
regular CBD, which is really
exciting because there's actual

618
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,240
data on dogs and cats with these
different things coming out and

619
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,960
what we can address with them.
So for example, you know, as

620
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:48,840
dogs age, regardless if they
were healthy weight or not, we

621
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,760
find that CBDA acts on the same
Cox 2 inhibition that a lot of

622
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,760
anti inflammatories do.
And so a totally different

623
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:02,720
pathway that we can act on and
address from, you know, the

624
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:08,320
typical joint aches and pains
and things like that with a CBDA

625
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,400
product and not necessarily
sedate them as much.

626
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,480
So another supplement that I'm
sure you want to bring up is

627
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,160
Mushroom.
Yes, yes.

628
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480
What fun guy?
Yes.

629
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,480
Yeah, it.
There's so many.

630
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,120
Yeah, and, and I, and I would
just say like in first and

631
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,240
foremost, just to keep it simple
from a whole food standpoint,

632
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:35,560
you know, fish, fish oil and
Omega threes and the MC TS I

633
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,640
think are like a, just a really
easy kind of whole food

634
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,160
supplement starting point.
But in addition, you know, I, I

635
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,040
don't think there's like an
order you can try these and you

636
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,800
don't have to do them all.
I've worked my current dog into

637
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,440
pretty much addressing
everything we're talking about

638
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,120
with with the supplementation,
but it did take a long time and

639
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:00,280
it did take, you know, slow, low
and slow with the amounts I used

640
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,280
in these products.
So I, I just want to preface

641
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,680
that with mushrooms.
I think they are phenomenal

642
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:11,760
option for young pets even.
And I think it's a great way to

643
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,440
not only give them the prebiotic
effect that mushrooms have on

644
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,560
the gut, but also just keep
their immune system online and

645
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,320
engaged.
And so if we're waiting till

646
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,440
they're young to start dosing
all these different mushrooms or

647
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:32,880
single species products, I think
we're trying to throw, you know,

648
00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:38,440
a lot at a bigger issue.
And so I have been really big

649
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,360
on, hey, if you have a younger
dog that's relatively healthy,

650
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,080
it doesn't hurt to start
incorporating functional

651
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,840
mushroom blends into their food
and really starting to engage

652
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,040
their immune system.
So it can be adaptogenic or

653
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,600
meaning it doesn't always have
to up regulate or down regulate.

654
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,160
And mushrooms are really
functional in that sense of

655
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,560
allowing the body to handle
stress accordingly.

656
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,040
So whatever that stress is,
whether the immune system needs

657
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,840
to be up regulated or down
regulated, we can really train

658
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,440
that immune system to kind of
work properly.

659
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,480
But when they're older, it's a
lot harder to get that, that

660
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:20,840
same response as if, you know,
as opposed to when we're giving

661
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,640
it to him younger.
So I love functional mushrooms

662
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,520
for that.
I prefer blends because I feel

663
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,480
like you're creating a like a
Marvel superhero team.

664
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,400
And you know, you're, you're
creating like this team of

665
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,640
different compounds.
And each mushroom has its own

666
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,600
superpowers.
And as Doctor Rob says, there's

667
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,040
a mushroom for that.
When I think about just general

668
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,440
health, I like blends just
because you're creating this

669
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,480
whole entourage effect of
different compounds that the

670
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,080
mushrooms can provide to really
stimulate that immune function.

671
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,000
Yeah, well, in it, it can be
helpful for companies to put

672
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,560
those blends together who who
know like how they're going to

673
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,920
work together to create them for
specific uses because we can

674
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,280
obviously learn about individual
mushrooms and.

675
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:17,120
They all, as you said, have some
sort of properties to, to help

676
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,280
support the immune system, but
then certain ones also have

677
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:26,840
different attributes that help
with like, you know, lion's mane

678
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,520
for cognitive function or I
think it's, I want to say it's

679
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,200
Cordyceps for inflammation.
You know better than me.

680
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,600
Well.
I mean, so when it comes to

681
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,240
mushrooms is like there's some
that are more studied for

682
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:45,120
certain things.
However, let's take beta glucans

683
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,920
because those are the main
things that good mushroom

684
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,640
companies usually measure.
And so like we third party lab

685
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,320
tests are mushrooms for beta
glucans because we want to show

686
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,480
you that they're actually in
there because from a, you know,

687
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,280
an immune function standpoint,
if a pet has lumps, bumps and

688
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,320
you know, there's a concern
with, you know, possibly immune

689
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,400
deficiency like cancer and
things like that, beta glucans

690
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,240
have shown to kind of improve
that immune function or at least

691
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,240
tolerate the traditional
treatments that they would go to

692
00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:19,240
for like chemotherapy and things
like that.

693
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,080
However, there's other minor
compounds that most companies

694
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,080
are not testing for and if they
do, they're not sharing those.

695
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,240
So it's hard to tell what a good
product is.

696
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,480
We have as of recently started
testing for these.

697
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,320
But just to kind of touch on,
you know, for superpowers is

698
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:42,200
like the beta glucan measure is,
is how we, you know, just first

699
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,720
and foremost measure what a good
mushroom extract looks like.

700
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,200
What we found is that Cordyceps,
because you mentioned it

701
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,800
actually has the highest amount
of beta glucans of the species

702
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,960
that we're growing.
So, you know, when we look at

703
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,840
kind of the levels that we want
to achieve for a product, we

704
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,080
find that, you know, we can
probably increase the amount of

705
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,000
Cordyceps to increase the amount
of beta glucans that we use in

706
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,440
our blend.
So little things like that, that

707
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,800
are very in the weeds, I guess.
But the reality is, is like

708
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,240
we've looked at every single
mushroom that we incorporate,

709
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,320
but we don't just leave it to
beta glucans.

710
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,360
We like to speak beyond beta
glucans because yes, they have a

711
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,080
lot of the data on cancer and
research, but if you start

712
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,560
getting into these other minor
compound compounds and things

713
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,280
like terpenoids or you know, in
cannabis, we call them terpenes,

714
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,400
but in mushrooms we call them
terpenoids.

715
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:41,800
Things like in Rishi mushroom,
there's, there's a compound

716
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,880
called ganodermic acid, which
has shown to be really great for

717
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,120
histamine function and balancing
that histamine response in, in

718
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,200
pets especially.
I think those kind of things we

719
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,840
can kind of go down the road of
each mushroom and go, hey, yes,

720
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,080
they have these basic benefits
that you see in marketing and

721
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,000
and studies.
But then when you start breaking

722
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,040
apart all these different
compounds in each mushroom, it

723
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,920
becomes so fun for me because
I'm like, well, they kind of

724
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,320
address a lot of different
things.

725
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,080
And that's why you see in so
many herbal remedies and, and

726
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:19,440
different, you know, traditional
Chinese medicine, they use Rishi

727
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,640
mushroom in so many different
things.

728
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,320
Because what we know right now
is I think Rishi mushroom has

729
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,400
800 LB pounds just in one
mushroom that they found.

730
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,920
And like, it's probably still
counting.

731
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,440
So each mushroom is going to
continue to evolve in what we

732
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,480
understand about it.
And I think that's the beauty of

733
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,840
having a blend is like, hey,
we're going to throw this blend

734
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,360
that we've come up with just
based on the research, but also

735
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,600
just all these individual
compounds that we know are in

736
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,160
there and can say, hey, this is
just going to really balance

737
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,480
your pets immune function, their
histamine response and allow

738
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,640
them to tolerate those kind of
age-related issues that they

739
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,680
encounter as they become senior
seniors a little bit better.

740
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:10,040
And so just as a baseline, I
think it's so important that we

741
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,280
incorporate mushrooms into our
pets diet and just from like a

742
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,240
digestive standpoint, I think we
can get a lot of benefit on.

743
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,960
Them Yeah.
Well, and I wanted to also bring

744
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,840
up, and this is, I mean, it is
anecdotal, but I think we know

745
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,840
this of, of lion's mane because
in talking about senior dogs, we

746
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,440
have throughout this whole
episode talked about cognitive

747
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,680
health and cognitive decline.
And someone I think we both

748
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,280
know, I'm pretty sure we both
know her, she has senior dogs

749
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,560
and one of them this year was
suffering very, very badly with

750
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,360
sundowners and to the point
where she was like, it's been

751
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,520
weeks and I'm, I haven't slept
and what am I?

752
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:52,280
So she was doing all the things
and ended up finding somebody

753
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,360
local in her farmers market
growing lion's mane.

754
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,760
And she has been making a lion's
mane tea and then taking the

755
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,320
actual mushroom and
incorporating that into the

756
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,480
diet.
So she's doing the tea and then

757
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:11,320
using them as a functional food
as well and has seen huge

758
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,880
improvements in the sundowners.
And so the cognitive benefits of

759
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,960
of something like a lion's mane
is I just think is especially

760
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,760
important for our senior dog.
No, I, I love lion's mane.

761
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,640
I think a couple things to
lion's mane superpowers is, you

762
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,720
know, we, we always kind of look
to the cognitive benefits of

763
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:36,000
Lion's mane and you know, most
of the data is around the

764
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,600
mycelial extracts and the
erinacines and there's a couple

765
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,480
other compounds in the mycelium
that they find most abundant.

766
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,200
So you know, the fruit body is
obviously really great, but I

767
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,040
think there's like 2 parts of
mushrooms.

768
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,080
There's the actual mushroom
fruiting body and then there's

769
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,200
the mycelia, which is like the
roots of a plant.

770
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,880
They both have different
compounds from 1:00 to the

771
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,760
other.
And that's what we're really

772
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,960
starting to find.
And one thing I found with

773
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,080
lion's mane is that it also has
a significant calming effect.

774
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,280
And also, you know, probably
more importantly is it has a

775
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,480
real positive benefit on
digestive health.

776
00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,160
And I think just to, you know,
again, anecdotally, but like

777
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,160
just hearing that story, it's
like maybe they're calming the

778
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,800
digestive issues down too,
calming that pet's tummy.

779
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:29,960
And then they're able to get
more restful sleep and kind of

780
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,640
just relax.
Yeah.

781
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,400
Oh, I, I think, you know,
that's, that's great.

782
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,000
And I like, you know,
experimenting with single

783
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,560
species, I'm just more of like
a, a dosage person and I want to

784
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,400
know like exactly how much of
the stuff I'm getting.

785
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:51,160
And so I love using, you know,
teas or even cooking mushrooms.

786
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,360
But whatever way you can get it
in I'm I'm a big fan of.

787
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,080
And then, you know, to the
sundowners thing, you know, one

788
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,280
thing I think, you know, a
combination of the different

789
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,800
supplements we've talked about
and I didn't mention was, you

790
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,200
know, a lot of elderly people
and pets, when they start having

791
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,600
that sundowners, it's hard to
get restful sleep.

792
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,880
And then they're kind of out of
it the next day.

793
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,480
And this cycle compounds over
time.

794
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,720
And one thing that we did was we
created a kind of jumping back

795
00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:25,440
into cannabis was ACBN product,
which a lot of people are using

796
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,760
for sleep.
And you know, The funny thing

797
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,480
is, is like there's not a lot of
data to show that it helps with

798
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,440
sleep.
However, we get some of the best

799
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,120
responses with these with these
elderly pets.

800
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,760
So I think a combo of maybe her
lion's mane and incorporating

801
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:46,400
that CBN can really at night
time get that pet to rest and

802
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:51,240
start calming down and relaxing
and then actually have like a

803
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,040
sleep cycle that makes sense to
the circadian rhythm.

804
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,720
Yeah, I think they're there's so
much.

805
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,360
And again, you know, I can I say
this all the time on the

806
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,800
podcast, it's putting out this
kind of generalized information

807
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,320
when when we sit down with an
individual animal, like we can

808
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,480
be so much more specific and get
more like detailed into like

809
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,480
this supplement that supplement
this, you know, what, what we

810
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,440
want for an individual animal
based on their own needs.

811
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:25,160
Of course, you know, this wasn't
the time or place to talk about

812
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,880
nutrition because we talk about
that so much that it's like.

813
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:35,800
But I did want to also just
mention to anybody listening who

814
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,360
happens to be also used
utilizing pharmaceuticals that

815
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,640
like there's no shame and that I
know that a lot of times we we

816
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,520
need to resort to whatever we
have available to us to get the

817
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,080
best out of our dog or cat that
we can.

818
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,040
Hopefully when we do that, we're
shooting for something short

819
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,760
term to get us through.
But one of the things that I did

820
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:05,160
want to mention a pharmaceutical
that has become very, very

821
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:11,440
popular lately in the veterinary
community that I did a by the

822
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,440
time this podcast comes out, I
did a solo episode on this that

823
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,080
I really want you guys to go
back and listen to because there

824
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,640
was way too much to talk about
here is Labrela for dogs and

825
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,760
Silencia for cats.
And it is specifically designed,

826
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,640
I think most often is being used
in senior animals because it's

827
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,480
being marketed for arthritis
and, and you know, joint pain

828
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,840
and arthritic pain.
And there's so much more that

829
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,360
Sean has already talked about
that we can be doing to support

830
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,240
our pets through whatever issues
they're having with that kind of

831
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:47,840
joint pain or arthritis creeping
up.

832
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:53,080
That the negative effects that
we're seeing in dogs and cats

833
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:57,240
that are getting Labrela and
Silencia are so dramatic that

834
00:49:57,240 --> 00:50:01,480
more often than not, it actually
leads to, you know, early

835
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,240
euthanasia because it's, it's so
bad.

836
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:06,360
And that's never like I feel
myself tearing up because that's

837
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:10,840
never something that we want to
see in an animal when it could

838
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,880
have been prevented.
And very sadly, so many

839
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,640
veterinarians just don't make
the connection because they're

840
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,400
being told by their
pharmaceutical reps that they're

841
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,280
promising that this this drug
has absolutely no side effects.

842
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,920
And that's just the sad state of
the world we live in.

843
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,720
So I wanted to kind of throw
that in and say, please go back

844
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,360
and listen to that episode if
you haven't because it directly

845
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,040
effects a lot of senior pets and
I don't know if you've done any

846
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,560
research into that particular
pharmaceutical.

847
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,880
Yeah, I and and and I've seen
kind of the news coming out

848
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,200
about it and it's really, it's
really, it sucks.

849
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,880
I don't know enough about it and
I haven't looked at kind of the

850
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,800
pathways and I haven't talked to
enough that's on both the

851
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,560
holistic and traditional side.
But you know, just kind of

852
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:05,440
seconding what you said about
just drugs in general is I'm not

853
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:10,480
anti pharmaceuticals.
I think our medicine pathway is,

854
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,680
is great.
And the way they create drugs,

855
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,680
you know, a lot of times they
work the side effects.

856
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,160
That's a different conversation
like you said.

857
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,760
But one thing I will say is, you
know, another common thing is I

858
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:28,520
see with allergies specifically,
I see Cytopoint, Napaquil being

859
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,520
prescribed pretty regularly.
Now, I know that there are some

860
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,000
side effects and there's some
horrendous stories out there

861
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,280
when you Google it.
However, if you have a pet

862
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,480
that's hurting themselves, like
literally mutilating themselves,

863
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,480
scratching to death, you know,
ripping skin off, that kind of

864
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,800
thing, I understand why pet
parents make those decisions.

865
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,000
However, what I'll say is
cannabis and mushrooms are super

866
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,600
pharmacodynamic is what I call
them.

867
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,480
And one thing I really like
about mushrooms, specifically

868
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,240
with an allergy pet, is if you
are taking an immunosuppressant,

869
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,240
having a pet that's on a
mushroom product may help

870
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,880
encourage your immune system to
stay online a little bit better.

871
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,160
Because so often we see them
have to go or resort to these

872
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,280
drugs and their immune system
just basically shuts off,

873
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,800
leaving them exposed to all
kinds of different issues.

874
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:27,280
So sometimes incorporating both
these natural alternatives with

875
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,360
some of these pharmaceuticals
might be the best case and might

876
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,160
allow them to maybe wean off
that pharmaceutical long term.

877
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,160
So I, I don't think they're a
replacement for the, the

878
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,560
pharmaceutical because sometimes
it just has to be incorporated.

879
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:46,360
But I, I think there's a huge
opportunity in a lot of cases

880
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,920
that we can incorporate some of
these natural remedies and not

881
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,640
have to use them and not rely on
the pharmaceutical as much.

882
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,000
So I don't like saying, hey, use
this instead of that.

883
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,400
That's not what I'm trying to
say.

884
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,400
I think there's just a, a
benefit to looking at more of an

885
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,360
integrative approach for both
modalities and, and I think

886
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,840
that's a healthier way.
But I haven't looked into the to

887
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,160
the pharmaceutical that you
speak of as much, but I do, I do

888
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,920
see that the side effects are
becoming more prevalent in the

889
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,600
news and and pet pet owners are
not happy.

890
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,240
I don't want to, I don't want to
just sit here and say, Hey,

891
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:25,880
there's like a million other
things you can do.

892
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,520
But a lot of times there are
other ways that we can address

893
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,320
it beforehand before you even
get to that point where this is

894
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,960
the only option.
And that's what I what I hate to

895
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,840
see, especially with like some
of those pharmaceuticals I

896
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,600
mentioned.
Yeah, well, most of my clients

897
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,880
are have been on Epoquel and or
Cytopoint and it I totally

898
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,080
agree.
I tell every single one of them

899
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,960
that if you need to use it short
term then that's what we need to

900
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,760
do.
The goal is not to use it long

901
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:02,760
term because I, I there I have a
meeting with a new client

902
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,480
scheduled in just a couple of
days.

903
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,080
And both of her dogs have been
on Apoquel for most of their

904
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,080
lives.
And now they both have cancer,

905
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,360
different cancers.
And it's just, it's devastating

906
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:17,480
because it could, it could have
been prevented, but we're we

907
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,960
have to, when we use
pharmaceuticals to cover up and

908
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,360
mask the symptoms, we also at
the same time have to address

909
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,920
the root cause of why those
symptoms were happening in the

910
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,400
first place.
Yeah.

911
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,800
And and exactly to your point, I
think this is where the the

912
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,040
biggest, you know, lever that we
can pull is nutrition.

913
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,680
But if they are on that thing
for an extended period of time,

914
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,160
that drug for an extended period
of time, they're not even

915
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,640
getting the full benefits of
their nutrition and even it's

916
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,040
the best food ever and it's the
perfect diet for them.

917
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,720
This is where supplements might
be a good option to kind of

918
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:00,120
incorporate that might kind of
push them over the hump of maybe

919
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,360
absorbing nutrients better or
keeping their immune system

920
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,480
online a little bit better.
So I I think this is the one

921
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,040
case where I'm like, hey, that
is like a great opportunity to

922
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,800
incorporate a supplement that
might actually help that that

923
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,280
pharmaceutical or that pet owner
not rely on that pharmaceutical

924
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,320
as much or ultimately be able to
wean off eventually.

925
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:25,160
Because living in a
pharmaceutical just to be alive

926
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,120
is not optimal.
And that's really what, you

927
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,400
know, the kind of what we talked
about today is optimizing, you

928
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,400
know, your pet's life from, you
know, you said health span.

929
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,680
I want to optimize a pet's life
from the beginning to the end.

930
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:39,080
So.
Yeah.

931
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,880
Well, and to take that and kind
of go back, you said you know

932
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,360
these and they do a lot of
pharmaceuticals do inhibit

933
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,120
especially long term use,
inhibit a lot of different

934
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,600
nutrient absorptions.
So circling back around to the

935
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,040
beginning, talking about the
hair tissue mineral analysis,

936
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,880
testing, letting us know if
there are issues with nutrient

937
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,240
absorption, if there are,
whether it's a too little or too

938
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:07,360
much of certain nutrients, they
both that in both cases can

939
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,920
cause big problems depending on
what what that vitamin or

940
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,960
mineral is.
And so for senior dogs,

941
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,360
basically using diagnostics to
the, you know, the best of their

942
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,520
abilities to get us the
information they want and trying

943
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,440
to go back through exercise,
keeping them lean, keeping them

944
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,200
at a healthy weight of
nutrition, of course, being

945
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,600
very, very important and then
targeted supplementation.

946
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,480
So what did we talk about?
We talked about omegas, we

947
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,040
talked about cannabis, we talked
about mushrooms, glutathione.

948
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,480
Did I miss anything?
No, those were the top one that

949
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,840
we addressed.
And and I think just again, just

950
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:50,040
adding to, you know, your
knowledge is like our vets say

951
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,280
test, don't guess.
That's first and foremost.

952
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,280
But I think even before we start
testing, we can assess, don't

953
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,600
guess, you know, don't assume
that your dog is healthy because

954
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,480
they look, act and feel or, or
or you know, are moving around

955
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,440
healthy.
We can assess a little bit more

956
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,280
before we have to go to those
testing measures.

957
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,240
Yes.
And so just to what you said

958
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:19,120
earlier about doing those all
over body checks, actually been

959
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,520
really bad about that lately.
I used to do that with my dog

960
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,400
every single night because she
sits right next to me on the

961
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,720
couch when we're, you know,
watching TV, getting ready to go

962
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,000
to bed.
And I haven't had a whole lot of

963
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,560
TV time lately, I'm so busy.
And I think that's maybe why.

964
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,600
But yeah, just, I literally will
just kind of do a once over

965
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:40,480
pretty much all over her body.
And that really just that alone

966
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,400
can give us so much information.
It's like, oh, that lump wasn't

967
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,800
there before or that lump has
grown.

968
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,040
Maybe I need to get it checked
out.

969
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,920
You know, just different things
like that and some sensitive

970
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,600
spots.
I mean, there's so much that we

971
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,040
could talk about, right?
Acupuncture, acupressure,

972
00:57:56,040 --> 00:58:00,760
massage, T touch, Reiki, like
all of the things that we could,

973
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,200
we could talk about and that can
be beneficial for different

974
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,880
animals.
So yeah, the senior animals are

975
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,880
so special and I appreciate you
coming on and talking about

976
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,320
them.
Yeah, I appreciate you having me

977
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,800
and and we can talk about so
many different things.

978
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:18,160
I mean, it's it's sometimes can
be overwhelming just like any

979
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,360
subject that that you speak
about.

980
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,920
But I think, you know, just
having that ability to observe

981
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,960
and possibly journal and and
take notes with your pet, I

982
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,320
think is a really simple way in
freeway honestly, of just, you

983
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,720
know, touching them.
And we all know how to massage

984
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,320
muscles.
We all know how to kind of rub

985
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,440
them down and you know, the
places they like.

986
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,360
I think that's a great starting
point.

987
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,480
And just being more in touch
with your dog, other than just

988
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:47,960
the day-to-day functions, is
just a healthy way to, you know,

989
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,440
improve their quality of life.
Awesome, so Earth buddy does

990
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:58,720
provide CBD mushrooms and
glutathione and I will put the

991
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:03,280
link in the show notes.
But we're what's the it's Earth

992
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,160
buddy pet.
Yeah, Buddy pet.com at Earth

993
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:11,400
Buddy Pet Online and all the
socials and we regularly put out

994
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,960
different kinds of guides and
different content in our blog

995
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,880
just kind of addressing
everything we talked about and,

996
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:21,840
you know, assessing how to, you
know, look at a supplement for

997
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:25,360
them and, and how to use it.
So we try to provide as much

998
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:30,160
information that is actionable
and, and you know, realistic to

999
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,800
a pet owner's life.
So happy to help there.

1000
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,440
Anybody can reach out to us.
They'll usually get a response

1001
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,240
pretty quick when it comes to,
you know, specific,

1002
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:44,680
individualized situations.
I love that and I appreciate all

1003
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,240
of your knowledge and your time
today.

1004
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,160
Guys, check out Earth Buddy Pet.
Thank you so much for your time

1005
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,320
today, Sean.
And yeah, you guys give your

1006
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:55,600
pets some extra love from both
me and Sean today.

1007
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:57,480
Merry Christmas and Happy New
Year.