182. The Herbal Dog with Rita Hogan

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Welcome back, pet parent.
So excited for today's guest.

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And I was actually laying awake
in bed the other night thinking

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about how am I going to
introduce her because she has

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been on the podcast before and
I, you haven't listened to that

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episode.
I'm going to absolutely

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recommend you go back and check
it out.

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But one of the things that I was
thinking about was nature.

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Just how many of us recently in
the past, I don't know, handful

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of years are waking up and
realizing that nature really

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does give us most of what we
need like pharmaceutical,

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medical, everything that we have
figured out in the last 100

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years or so is amazing for
emergencies, it's if you need

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your bone put back in place or
if you absolutely need there's

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something crazy going on for
emergency care.

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It's amazing it it really has
changed our lives.

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But when we're, when we think
about just Wellness and caring

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for ourselves every day and
being proactive and caring for

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ourselves, nature is going to
give us everything we need.

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And herbs are one of those
things in nature that really

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it's so abundant.
It if you have a green thumb,

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unlike me, and then you can grow
a lot of these things yourself.

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And it's, it's really one of the
coolest things that I have found

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in my journey into learning more
about nature and bringing nature

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into back into my life and
realizing the connection between

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humans and nature.
That's one of the things that I

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have really, really been
focusing on, especially in the

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past year, is how much humans
have disconnected ourselves from

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nature.
And we kind of pride ourselves

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and how far we've come, like
technologically speaking and

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industrially speaking.
But in reality, all we're doing

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is like chasing the symptoms of
pulling ourselves out of the

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cycle of nature.
And so that was kind of the

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intro that I thought of laying
there awake the other night to

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bring back on the absolutely
incredible Rita Hogan.

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Thank you so much for being back
with us, Rita.

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And we're going to talk a little
bit today about a book that is

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getting ready to come out that
you have published that I am so

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excited for.
So thank you again for being

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here.
Welcome.

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Thank you for having me on.
I love coming on your show.

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Love it.
Thank you.

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I am, I really am.
I'm so excited for your book.

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One of the things that, and I
know I told you this at Super

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Zoo last year, is that I, one of
my cat passed away in 2023 and I

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had two different animal
communicators reach out to him

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not long after he passed.
And both of the animal

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communicators not having known
each other at all.

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I don't, I don't think they know
each other at all period.

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Both when they connected to him,
brought you up to me, it was

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amazing.
It was, it was just a really,

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really cool thing.
And also, one of the reasons why

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I have on my list of things to
do in 2025 is to learn a whole

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heck of a lot more from you
specifically, but also just

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about herbs in general and
bringing that back into my life.

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And I think that the timing of
this book for me personally

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couldn't be better.
And I'm really, really excited

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for it.
And I would love for you to tell

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me a little bit about why you
decided to write this book.

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Oh, wow.
Yeah.

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So I've been in herbalism in one
facet or another over the last

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21 years.
I really started out in 2000, I

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made like my first herbal remedy
in like 2003, I believe, started

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selling my wares locally, you
know, doing those things and I

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boarded dogs and realized how
sick they were and kind of

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dedicated my life to canine
herbalism then.

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And, and I had a product company
for a long time did that and,

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and then kind of parallel worked
on canine herbalism for a long

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time and started writing and
sharing my information, which

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was hard because I was quite
kind of reclusive at the time

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and just kind of doing my work,
you know, like mad scientist.

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And I started teaching in, I
think it was like 2015, 1415, I

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started teaching this group of
women and a big group of women.

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And I think we started off with
like 40 and, and then I taught

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them for 4 1/2 years.
So, and it was every Thursday,

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every Thursday.
We ended up with about 25 that

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made it all the way to, you
know, for 4 1/2 years every

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week.
It's a lot.

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It's a big commitment.
And so I'm some of some of them

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are in practice right now, which
is awesome.

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And I had to show up.
They showed up for me and I

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showed up for them and I had to
show up every week, give or

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take.
It was like, I think we've maybe

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missed about 10 weeks for the
whole 4 1/2 years.

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I had to show up for them every
week and I had to write a lesson

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and I had to explain to them
from tip to toe or tail, you

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know, what's going on in the dog
as an ecosystem and, and what

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that means and how the body
works and then what type of

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plants can work for what.
And I learned so much and they,

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they taught me so much and I
taught them so much.

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The book is really a product of
the, of that teaching moment.

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And of course my practice and
what I've learned and what I

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found have like has worked for
me with dogs.

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And that's all, you know, that's
all I can really speak to

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because it's not really mine.
It is all the people that have

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come before me and my mentors
and, you know, filtering through

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my like my brain and coming out
the other side.

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You know, I did a lot of mapping
canine Physiology, you know,

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like human herbalism on to
canine Physiology and working

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with my mentors and refining
things.

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And, you know, hopefully someone
will take my book someday and

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re, you know, put it through
their big brain and refine it

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even more.
And I, you know, I can only hope

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for that.
And so it's just been, it's been

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really awesome to write this
book and put the time in because

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it took a long time to put, you
know, your first book is huge.

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I have four more books coming
out.

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My next book is on canine
oncology.

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And so, but this first book is
just really kind of the

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prerequisite to reading my
follow-ups because it does teach

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you the basics of holistic
canine herbalism and it, it'll

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be a great reference for people.
It will be, you know, and, and

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the cool thing about it is that
it gives you dosages, It gives

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you places to start.
It gives you guidance.

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It tells you what
pharmaceuticals are interacting

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with certain herbs or any
cautions and how to recover from

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surgery and how to recover from
antibiotic use and how to deal

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with yeast.
I even have a, a basic

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elimination diet in there that I
use for, for yeasty dogs and

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leaky gut dogs.
Some people would not agree with

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it, which is fine, but I've used
it in my clinical practice for

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probably 15 years without ever a
hitch.

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You have to do some
modifications towards an

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individual dog, but it's only a
12 week diet.

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So it's, it's not forever, you
know, it's just a few weeks and

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it really does work well.
I've, I've, you know, I've tried

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to give you as many tricks of
the trade as I can, so I'm

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pretty excited about it.
Gosh.

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That really does sound amazing
and actually semi answers a lot

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of the question that I was going
to ask you today.

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One of which is how much of this
people can kind of translate

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onto themselves.
But it sounds like you took like

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the human herbalism and for
many, many years figured it out

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how it works on dogs.
So kind of it'll kind of goes

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back and forth a little.
Bit no, there's really great

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herbalism books for humans and
all of my mentors except for

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Cheryl Schwartz and like Susan
Nguyen, who I did not work with

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directly.
But as you know, mentors through

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written the written word have
been human herbalists.

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The people that I've worked with
directly have been human

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herbalists and, you know, with
some knowledge of animals.

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But that's not that's not what
we spoke about South.

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I had to look what was on market
and I, you know, those books

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changed my life, like Susan
Wynne's book veterinary

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herbalism and Barbara Fraguard
shit, great book.

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It's a textbook.
So it's for veterinarian.

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That's ones you know, and then I
think that Julia de Barclay,

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Levy's book, the dog and cat
herbal.

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Some people would just think
that was that was just so crazy,

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right.
But she, if you've read it, you

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know, there's lots of things in
there that some people just go,

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Oh my God, like, I would never
do that.

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But she really had a grasp of
traditional herbalism and it

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worked well for her.
So when I read that book, it

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just like blew my mind.
And then Cheryl Swartz, the five

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pause, 5 directions.
You know, everyone should have

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that book.
It's absolutely amazing.

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And now Cheryl and I are
colleagues and it's come full

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circle, which I never thought
would happen, right?

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Like, Oh my God, I've come full
circle it with a lot of like all

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three of my big mentors, which
were Greg Tilford, Cheryl

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Schwartz, and Matthew Wood.
I've come full circle with them.

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Like I've been on Matthew Wood's
podcast and I've helped Cheryl

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with one of her own pets and
Greg Tilford and I are very

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close.
So like a lot. 20 years ago, I

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could have never imagined that
they were like these, you know,

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gods to me.
Like, Oh my God, you know, like,

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you know, and now being their
colleagues is just phenomenal.

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But you can find yourself in my
book as a person.

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There's hardly anything that
doesn't apply to humans in here.

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Maybe the the I have a small
section called food is medicine,

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but it still applies.
It's just not that, you know,

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I'm not telling you to eat raw
meat or I'm telling you, you

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know, but if you do eat cooked
meat, I'm going to tell you to

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use digestive enzymes.
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which would, you know, I eat a
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It's easier on my gut.
And so that might, you know,

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that still does apply.
But other than that, I mean, we

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have longer digestive systems
than gastrointestinal tracts

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than dogs do, so we tend to hold
toxins longer.

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But you know, besides that,
there isn't a lot that can't be

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applied to humans.
Yeah.

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Well, and one of the things that
I want wanted to get your

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opinion on before I jump into
any of the questions that are

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more specific to herbs and, and
the book, because that's really,

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you know, the basis of of the
book is, is herbalism for dogs.

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And one of the questions that I
get asked more than anything

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with what I do being being a
nutritionist, my first thought

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always comes to food and it the
clients I have in the people I

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see online.
One of, and I think this, this,

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a lot of this comes from
probably the, you know, current

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medical industrial complex and
pharmaceuticals where we expect

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take a pill and it gets better
overnight.

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We know that that it doesn't
work the same way when we're

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using nature, when we're using
natural things.

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But do you find is, is there
benefit?

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I would imagine there is
benefit, but how much loss is

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there?
I guess is what, what I'm really

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getting at if we don't address
the diet first, but we're we

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just start using herbs.
I would imagine you want to do

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both, but how do you feel about
that?

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What?
Because I'm sure people have

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come to you as well with what
herb is going to fix X, right?

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So one of the things that my
book does, it meets people where

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they are.
So I deal with kibble feeders.

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I deal with a raw feeders,
gently cooked, freeze dried,

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wherever you're at.
You know, I have ideas of what

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ideal diets look like.
They're not for every dog.

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Herbs can help a dog that's
eating kibble.

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It can help the liver process
that kibble better.

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It can help the gut digest
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It definitely can't.
So you can use herbs if you know

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whatever diet you're using.
But what I really like, what I

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find interesting is once someone
starts to cross over into trying

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herbal medicine and getting, you
know, they get to know one herb

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and they might add a second and
might add a third and things

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like that.
They tend, it tends to open them

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up to possibilities of eating
closer to nature, you know, and

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being closer to nurture, right.
So it's like when we nurture

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ourselves, we nurture our pets
and when we nurture ourselves

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with good food, we feel better.
And I think that that is being,

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I think that's being passed
along pretty readily in social

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circles.
The importance people are

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getting to, to understand the
importance of, of quality food

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because the disease rates are
skyrocketing and you know, we

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have our, we talked about EMF,
you know, we have that in our

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house now.
It is a factor.

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But the cleaner we eat, the less
EMF bothers us, right?

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When we have vitality and our
cells are functioning at the

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proper frequency, which is
affected by the food that we

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eat, processed foods has very
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It has very little energy or
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And when we eat foods that are
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food can be have a much higher
frequency than something that's

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been sitting in a box, right.
So I think it just everything

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feeds, it feeds off of
everything else.

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So when you incorporate natural
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your dog's life, I think it's
it's a catalyst for feeling

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better, for doing better, for
understanding nature, for even

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just getting outside more and
connecting with the environment

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and connecting with your dog on
a different level.

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I love that answer and I love
how you are being very

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intentional about meeting people
where they are.

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That is, it's definitely
something I had to learn and it

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it came a whole heck of a lot
more quickly to me once I

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actually started working in with
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But like now you, you really
need to be able to meet people

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where they are and just help,
help one step at a time.

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Whether that's a baby step or a
giant leap, that's up to them.

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But one of them actually
currently, as we're recording

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this reading Doctor Casey means
book good energy.

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And it is exactly what I was
thinking of when you were

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talking about how if we set our
bodies up properly, then we can

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handle the outside world so much
better, so much easier.

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The same thing is true for for
our pets.

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And that really is everything
she talks about in this book is

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your cells are either producing
good energy or they're producing

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bad energy.
Yeah.

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Yes.
Absolutely.

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Go please.
Well, I mean, it's exact.

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She's exactly right, you know?
And The thing is, is that a lot

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of people say that everything
starts with diet, right?

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And as a nutritionist, you'd
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However, I disagree, OK?
And here's why I think diet is

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beyond important.
I think it's one of the most

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important things that you can do
for your health.

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But in the last 20 years, I've
met many, many, many dogs that

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have been referred to me with
certain ailments, right?

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They're mild ailments.
They eat the worst food that you

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can imagine, OK, but they're
almost all of them have been

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close to 20.
And one of the things that they

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have in common, I always look
for commonalities and and like

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try to piece things together and
you think like, well, the heck

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can they be almost 20 and eat
the bottom of the barrel foods?

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I'm talking the last shelf at
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OK, just horrendous foods.
They all have this in common.

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They're they all live rurally,
OK, They live where they can run

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and they exercise and they
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They, they almost, I think not
almost all of them had siblings

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like dogs and other dogs,
multiple dogs, OK, they

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basically live outside.
Some of them got to come in of

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sure, absolutely, of course, but
some of them didn't.

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They were outdoor dogs, right?
They're breathing fresh air all

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the time.
They're moving their bodies,

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right?
They're forging, they're eating

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wild foods, including animals.
Whenever I got a dog like this,

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I would just start asking
questions like, OK, you know,

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what is it?
What's going on?

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You have to look at those
factors and what they do, you

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know, clean air, clean water,
clean food.

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They're eating a lot of clean
food, much cleaner than what

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we're able to give them in a
confined setting.

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But that's an outdoor dog and a
dog that has access to the

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outdoor pretty much unlimited.
So when you bring that dog

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inside where I think, I think
that those dogs should be fed

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really good food and really see
like, OK, let's add the good

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food component and see how old
they can get, right?

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And I think they'd probably live
in like my dog Susie.

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She lived till she'll be able to
like 24 to 27.

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We're still arguing about it and
my family.

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But she was that dog.
She wasn't all sided.

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She got to choose to come in and
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She, I usually find her behind
the chair in my dad's chair in

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the living room in the morning.
But she stayed out a long time

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and, and it was her choice.
But like, and we lived on a farm

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and it was rural and it was safe
and all those good things.

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Like you can't do that now,
right?

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So we're bringing these dogs
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And what we need to do is we
need to do the best job we can

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to mimic the outdoors, right?
We need to open our windows.

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We need to get air cleaners in
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You know, Rodney talks about,
Rodney and Karen talk about, you

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know, building your own little
air filter.

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I, you know, they're not
aesthetically pleasing, but if

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you are low on money, they rock.
I have air filters in all of my

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rooms.
My, my doors, my windows and

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doors are open whenever I can.
Right now it's winter, so it's a

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little harder.
But, you know, getting that

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fresh air diet is imperative for
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Imperative, absolutely, because
if you're not running free, if

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you're not running with your
fellow dogs in community, you

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need to focus on exercise and
diet and fresh air, fresh water.

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Like those are the things that
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the organs aren't getting the
voltage they need to survive and

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to thrive, right?
We have a lot of liver cancers.

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We have a lot of spleen, tons of
splenectomies, right?

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Tons of spleen damage.
And this is all from stagnation

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and stagnation happens when you
sit on the couch for, I mean, my

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dogs and I week last weekend we
did a marathon of ATV show,

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which I have not done.
I can't even tell you.

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I can't remember the last time.
I really, I don't watch a lot of

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TV, but I was like, I'm going to
sit and watch this show and Oh

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my God, it was so good.
And my dogs were with me.

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We went out for pee.
We came back in, they were like,

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I'm going to lay all over you.
We had a really good bonding

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moment.
But if I were to do that all the

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time, we would see a decline,
you know, because that

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stagnancy, if they're not moving
their lymphatic system that and

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I talk about that in the book,
you know, like the lymphatic

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system is really important.
If your dog can't get out and

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exercise, you got to do that
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You got to you got to add herbs
that help the lymphatic system

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move.
And so, you know, not every dog

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can be on a farm running free
and, you know, killing little

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rabbits, poor little rabbits
and, you know, forging on

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berries and doing all those
things, like Monsieur Bobby from

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Portugal, right?
Like, not every dog has that

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life.
So we really have to focus on

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things like I was working for, I
was working with a woman that

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wanted to formulate a line for
dogs in Singapore.

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OK, Dogs in Singapore, the
majority of them, probably over

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85% of all dogs in Singapore
live in high rise, OK.

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They live in high rise
apartments.

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And the farther you are off of
the ground, the more the issues

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are pertinent to yourself and
your dog, right?

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When you live on the 15th floor,
that grounding energy of the

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earth is nowhere to be found.
And so, and you have dogs that,

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I mean, they go down the
elevator, they do their poop and

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their pee and they go back up,
you know, and it's a very, it's

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a, you know, it's a, it's a
Singapore is like one of those

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cities where you have to import
almost everything, right?

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So you have to look at what,
what kind of dog do you have?

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Do you have an apartment dog?
Do you have a regular house dog?

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Do you have a yard?
Do you have a farm?

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You know, and you have to adjust
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So not to be controversial,
Jessica, I do believe diet is

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everything.
You already know that.

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But when you look at these dogs
that don't have a good diet,

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what else do they have?
And they have a lot of the

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things that the dogs with good
diets don't have.

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So I think it's I think it's a
combination of everything to

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increase longevity and herbs can
help with that.

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But you know, my book is
holistic canine herbalism,

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right?
It's holistic canine herbalism

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applications and practice like
holistic canine herbalism deals

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with the dog mind, body, spirit.
That means food, exercise, our

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stress.
I have a chapter in here called

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our dogs ourselves.
Who are we being around our

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dogs?
Are we stressing them?

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And a lot of us are, you know,
are we fighting with our

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significant others?
Are we, you know, are we arguing

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with our children in front of
them?

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Are we playing death pedals
right in front of our dogs?

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It, it's very, there's been
really critical research on

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sound and frequency around
ourselves and our dogs and when

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animals and people are around
the frequency of like heavy

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metal, like not just heavy
metal, but like that speed metal

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and things like that.
Therefore voltage and frequency

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goes way down and it plummets
their immune systems.

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I think that's, you know, we
just have to kind of reassess

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how we're living and if we care
about longevity, you know, some

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people may not care, right?
Yeah.

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That's not the person reading my
book, for sure.

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You know, and you can live
however you want to.

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But I think the science is
really starting to look at these

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things that holistic medicine
has been looking at for a long

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time.
And that is what we do with our

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minds, what we do with our body
and what we do with our spirit

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and how those things come
together.

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And food and herbs are a huge
part of that, because herbs are

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food.
Yes, well, and it's funny you

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bring up the music because just
this morning I was reminded of

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some studies that were done on
classical music, various

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symphonies and things from
hundreds of years ago.

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Mozart, Beethoven, all the, all
the people, Salieri, they really

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do like they have studied people
and how our cells function

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changes with these sounds, with
these tones.

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And one of them, I want to, I
want to say it was Beethoven

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Symphony #5 it said there was a
study showing that it actually

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stopped cancer cell
reproduction.

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It was amazing.
And I'm not saying don't do

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anything that was right.
But.

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And so I just this morning, I, I
turned classical music on again

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for my cats because I was, you
know, reminded of that really

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does everything in our
environment really does matter.

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And we can use these things to
enhance our well-being and our

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health and our health span.
So I'm glad you brought that up.

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Thank you.
But it is true, you know,

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frequency and music can
epigenetically change us like it

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can change our gene expression,
it can change how our cells

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regulate in the body and our
cells reproduce.

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So, you know, it may sound
crazy, but again, science is

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starting to take notice of these
types of healing modalities and

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you know, it's not going to hurt
to, to what you're doing.

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I, I believe in all, I mean, I
love frequency medicine.

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I love sound healing.
I, I believe in it.

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I've seen it work miracles.
I you know you can look at the

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App Store and that you will see
tons of apps on frequency and

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sound.
You know to go to bed, to go to

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sleep, to get deeper sleep.
Cats purring can heal bones,

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right?
Scientifically prove it.

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You know, that study is amazing,
but cats purring can help heal

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bones and it can help bone
marrow because they purr at a

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certain frequency, right?
So all that stuff is just

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fascinating.
I don't deal with much frequency

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in my book, but I love frequency
medicine.

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So I love all of everything I
learned.

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That's one of the reasons why I
love this podcast so much.

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But to bring it back around to
herbs, which is something you

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know, quite a bit about, and I
do think the last time I had you

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on, I asked you this, but I'd
like to, just because of the

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book, I'd like to ask it again.
Where in your opinion is a place

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where people who are like
completely new to this, they're

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like, yes, I get it.
I want to start with herbs.

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Where can they start?
How should they start?

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Well, I'll definitely tell you
cat people should start with

446
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,200
catnip in in fact, you've been
an herbalist all along.

447
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:22,360
You've been dealing with catnip
is is so awesome for for a cat's

448
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:25,080
nervous system beyond awesome.
You should give it to your cat

449
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:30,040
every day.
But with dogs, I think just

450
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:34,000
starting with one herb, you
know, and like in the back of

451
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:38,320
the book, I have a part called
plants and fungi Monographs,

452
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,000
right?
And I believe it's like over 30

453
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:48,640
plants that I have made a resume
for.

454
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,560
Let's just call it a resume.
Monograph is like a resume.

455
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,400
Like it starts with egg or money
and it goes all the way.

456
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,400
I mean, it has a lot of
different things.

457
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:03,800
I, I do cover mushrooms and it
tells you all about that plant

458
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,440
and what's its for, you know,
what is it for and what you need

459
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,760
to do with it, what it can do
according to the book.

460
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,760
I could only deal with the
subjects I dealt with in the

461
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,400
book.
Otherwise the book would be 1000

462
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,360
pages.
So, but how to use it, when to

463
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,440
stop using it?
I tell you how to build a

464
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:26,040
protocol, but one herb at a
time, just adding an herb,

465
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,600
seeing if it's needs to be well
indicated.

466
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,120
And I help you figure that out
in the book.

467
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,760
But you need to get to know that
herb, you know, like look it up.

468
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,880
I'll tell you right now, Google
is one of the worst places to

469
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,920
find any information about
herbs.

470
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:43,680
OK, You're going to find
information that's not true.

471
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,160
Like chamomile's bad for your
dog or peppermint's bad for your

472
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:48,960
dog, or garlic's bad for your
dog.

473
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,000
All those things are not true.
They are based on research with

474
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,960
such a high amount, almost a
lethal dose of those remedies.

475
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,840
It's just it's it's it's
misguided.

476
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,840
But if you're looking online,
you can use the word monograph.

477
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:10,280
Monograph to help learn
different aspects of a plant and

478
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,960
it needs to be written by an
herbalist or a medical

479
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,600
herbalist, either one, because
an herbalist really knows their

480
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,040
plants and an herbalist would
would, would some years under

481
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,960
their belt as well, right.
So I think that's really

482
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,440
important and you just start
with one herb like I have this

483
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,000
thing on my teaching platform,
canineherbalism.com.

484
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,280
I have this course, it's kind of
like a kind of, I have to call

485
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,600
it a course, but it's an ongoing
subscription kind of sort of

486
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,280
it's called monthly monographs
and we deal with one plant every

487
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,400
month and then you have access
to all those plants.

488
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,160
I think we have like 27 plants
in there right now.

489
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,280
But if you just take one plant,
learn about it, see if it's well

490
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,320
indicated for your dog according
to the symptoms that it deals

491
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,400
with or what I call cofactors,
and then try it out, give it for

492
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,800
a few weeks, see how it does.
A lot of times people are giving

493
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,160
their dogs way too many herbs at
a time, way too many supplements

494
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,320
at a time.
I you know, it's kitchen

495
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,840
sinking, you know, trying to
throw something at the wall and

496
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,560
see what sticks.
And that is with the best of

497
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,160
intentions, right?
People are just, they're looking

498
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,320
for answers.
They want an alternative to

499
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,400
allopathic veterinary care and
they are desperate to find

500
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,760
answers and solutions for their
dog.

501
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,920
So you read in this is a new
breakthrough in arthritis.

502
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,400
And then they, they start giving
it all, they got another one,

503
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,280
then they start giving that and
pretty soon you don't know

504
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:37,560
what's working, what's not
working.

505
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,320
So you just keep your dog on
everything and your dog has to

506
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,680
process that through their
liver, everything that you put

507
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:46,440
on and in them they have
process.

508
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,480
So you want to find out what's
working and what's not working.

509
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,560
And with herbs, I start out with
one to like, you could do a

510
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:57,280
formula, you know, a formula
with a few herbs in it, or you

511
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,160
could start with one herb and
see over a period of four to six

512
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,920
to eight weeks the differences
that herb causes, as long as

513
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,680
you're not negative, right?
If they're negative, usually

514
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,400
you're giving too much of it or
it's just the incorrect formula

515
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,240
or herb for your dog and then
you just stop it.

516
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:20,720
But the goal of any herb or any
herbal regimen formula is to

517
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,800
move in a positive direction,
right?

518
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,960
So say your dog has a runny
nose, right?

519
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,640
That's dampness.
And if they have a runny nose

520
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,760
and you're giving a formula to
help dry up some of that damp in

521
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,040
six to eight maximum 12 weeks,
we want that runny nose not to

522
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,880
be there anymore, right?
And then you figure out how long

523
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,280
you have to give the herb so
that you stop the herb and then

524
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,400
the runny nose comes back and
you might have to put them back

525
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,520
on it.
But you kind of do this trial.

526
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,760
And there's a lot of Gray areas
in herbalism, and I deal with

527
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,360
that in my book and how to
navigate it.

528
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,080
I love that you do in the book
because I think that's one of

529
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,640
the reasons why I have found it
So like just personally found it

530
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,480
so like difficult to get
started, difficult to implement,

531
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,000
difficult to.
And it is pretty easy to just

532
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,120
take one thing like something
you may already grow, like I

533
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,640
happened to already grow parsley
or I happened to already, you

534
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,160
know, whatever you're already
growing.

535
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,000
But I think the last time I
spoke with you, I took some

536
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:29,440
like, herbs out of my pantry and
put them on a towel, just placed

537
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,400
them on a towel and just let my
dog go and like, see what she

538
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,240
went to and what she didn't.
And my dog's so funny.

539
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,640
She's like, I'm not playing
along with you.

540
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,320
And she just looks and it's
like, I'm not playing along with

541
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,480
you.
Yeah.

542
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,000
Yeah.
At least not while the camera's

543
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:47,600
rolling.
Right.

544
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,640
That's how my dog.
But I do like the idea of just

545
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,080
starting with one thing.
And it can be something you

546
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,680
already have in your pantry.
But learning, like you said,

547
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,720
with with the monographs.
But that's, again, another

548
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,400
reason why I'm so excited for
your book specifically to help

549
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,360
guide us through, like, the all
the questions that we have about

550
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,040
like, what if.
What?

551
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,240
If.
So one of the things you'd

552
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,120
mentioned was a runny nose and
you had mentioned earlier about

553
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:19,320
all these dogs that were really
healthy, they lived outdoors.

554
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,640
What are and they just came to
you for like minor issues.

555
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,320
So what are some of those, like
really common things that you

556
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,440
see in dogs that you're like,
oh, there's an herb for that?

557
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,480
Well, almost everything.
Everything.

558
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,440
You know, the, the most common
things people contact me about

559
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,880
as you know, arthritis mobility
is a big one, drainage, yeast,

560
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,520
things that I would call like
our vaccine, like vaccine

561
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,400
reactions, leaky gut, you know,
the gut being completely IBD,

562
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,880
which is I don't know what is
wrong with your dog's gut.

563
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,720
That's my translation in there.
You know, inflammation in

564
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,040
general, getting a dog more
comfortable, lumps, bumps, lots

565
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,680
of lumps and bumps, cancers.
By the time someone really gets

566
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,120
to me, most of my clients, it's,
it's you know, we have some

567
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,480
urgency to a lot of things or we
have, I have a few clients that

568
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,560
do preventative medicine with
me, which is great preventative,

569
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,000
I mean herbal medicine with me.
They want to prevent things,

570
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:29,040
which is wonderful.
A lot of times people are very

571
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,680
upset about the current state of
affairs and their dogs.

572
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,000
And I work one of a lot of
geriatric dogs.

573
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,600
You know, I work with a lot of
dogs that are up in age between

574
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,680
14 and 17.
Oh, and you're going to have

575
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,080
right now with the state of
affairs that our dogs are

576
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,840
dealing with at that time,
you're going to have some liver

577
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,600
and kidney issues.
You're going to have some

578
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,800
mobility and pain issues.
So, and I deal with all of that

579
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,840
in my book.
So I deal with a lot of it.

580
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,680
Or getting to the, you know,
holistic herbalism is about

581
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,040
getting to the root cause of
something, you know?

582
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,040
But Jessica, one thing I do want
to say, and this is I know this

583
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,199
is confronting for some people,
but because I get so much, I get

584
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:12,840
a lot of kind of pushback
sometimes on herbal medicine.

585
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,199
And I'm just going to use
peppermint as an example, right?

586
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,400
This week I had someone say, you
know, I can't believe you reckon

587
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,800
peppermint it it's terrible for
dogs.

588
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,520
And no, it's not.
But you know, that same person

589
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,880
that is questioning herbs in
general has no problem giving

590
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,159
their dog the leptosclerosis
vaccine or giving their dog

591
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,960
Bravecto, which kills hundreds
of dogs, if not thousands of

592
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,280
dogs a year.
I don't know how many dogs, but

593
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,239
I know it's most likely close to
1000.

594
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,159
I mean, it's it's a very small
percentage of the dogs that use

595
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:53,159
the drug.
But if you look at any drug that

596
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,639
you use from the vet, whether
it's a wormer, whether it's a

597
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,840
flea in tech, whether it's a
heartworm pill, if you look at

598
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,120
the side effects on the box or
in the little pamphlet, they are

599
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:10,400
going to be so astronomically
higher and more detrimental to

600
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,240
your dog than any herb I can
think of besides something

601
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:18,080
that's just straight up
poisonous like belladonna or

602
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,520
hellebore.
Right.

603
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:22,680
I deal with non-toxic herbs.
Some have more toxicity than

604
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,120
others.
And toxicity just means doesn't

605
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,400
mean that it's going to kill
your dog.

606
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,400
It means that they might vomit
or they might get diarrhea or

607
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,680
you need to really be careful
with the dosage.

608
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,160
You don't.
They're much.

609
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,720
They're more finicky, right.
But most of the herbs that I

610
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:42,320
deal with, you know, there
really isn't a level in which

611
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,760
they've been researched that
will kill a dog.

612
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,440
They're extremely non-toxic.
Yeah, they can cause some.

613
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,760
Every herb can cause a side
effect.

614
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,560
Anything can cause what it cures
for the most part doesn't apply

615
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,400
to everything, but a lot of
things can't.

616
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,400
You can kill yourself with
water.

617
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,520
We're drinking too much water,
right?

618
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,440
So, you know, I think Joseph, we
just been pharmaceutically

619
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,600
conditioned and I, you know,
pharmaceuticals can be a great

620
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,800
bridge.
I've had to use them before.

621
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,760
They've saved my life.
You know, surgery has saved my

622
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,120
life in my I'm 53 years old.
I've had some stuff happen,

623
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:17,440
right?
Hopefully not in the second-half

624
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:23,000
of my life, but let's go.
But like, you know, I, I am not

625
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,840
anti pharmaceutical by no means.
And especially when dogs are

626
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,680
old, like when dogs are really
like elderly kind of.

627
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,560
And also the dogs that are kind
of circling the funnel where

628
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,040
things are starting to wind
down, right?

629
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,400
Things are starting to wind
down.

630
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,560
All the lumps and bumps are
showing.

631
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,760
They're starting to get mobility
issues.

632
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,640
You know my little dog Lola's in
that position, right?

633
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,480
She's a 15 year old Basset Hound
and she was traditionally

634
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,440
raised.
She's got a lot of lumps and

635
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,480
bumps.
They're not going to go away.

636
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,560
There's too many of them.
You know, some of the big ones

637
00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:02,080
kind of reduced, but you can do
what you can.

638
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,120
But you got to do what you can
to make them comfortable.

639
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,080
And sometimes that involves the
pharmaceutical, they can really

640
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:11,240
give them an excellent quality
of life in that last year or

641
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:14,160
two, right.
And you support the body, you

642
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,160
support the liver and kidneys at
dealing with that pharmaceutical

643
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,360
and some of their side effects.
But I'm not anti pharmaceutical.

644
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,680
I do look at them as a bridge in
many ways, some of them, not all

645
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,880
of them, but some of them.
But you have to look at, you

646
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,760
have to question kind of the
paradigm in which you were

647
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,480
raised.
Some people are very familiar

648
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,320
with the natural and some people
are really scared of it.

649
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,800
But ask yourself, what are you
really afraid of, right?

650
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,280
Are you afraid that you don't
know?

651
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,360
And are you afraid that you
don't have the answers?

652
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Or are you afraid that your dog
is going to blow up if you give

653
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,520
them some chamomile, right?
And why don't you have that same

654
00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:01,000
fear of something that literally
is telling you, like your dog's

655
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,080
immune system is impaired, death
could occur, a disease could

656
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,320
happen in which could kill your
dog on this Med, right?

657
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:13,200
They have just horrendous side
effects like human, human drugs

658
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,160
do, right?
And why are you not afraid to

659
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,160
give your dog that remedy?
I just think that we're just so

660
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,760
far away from nature.
And I hope that my book, because

661
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,200
I, I tell you about what
pharmaceuticals they interact

662
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,760
with, I hope my book can create
some comfort, create some

663
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,240
confidence.
You know, it definitely is for

664
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:35,880
the advanced practitioner all
the way down to I've never

665
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,400
touched, I've never touched an
urban in my life, right?

666
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,960
You can use it in many different
ways, like Jessica, you're a

667
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,320
health practitioner.
You can use it in a different

668
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,080
way than someone that that
absolutely knows absolutely

669
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,400
nothing, right?
They can still utilize the book,

670
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,760
learn a lot, but the first part
of the book is about teaching.

671
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,200
Now it's teaching you certain
things.

672
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,240
And the second part of the book
is reference.

673
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,640
Even if you just use the
reference section, it's going to

674
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,160
help you immensely.
And you can start looking at

675
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,880
different supplements in a
different way and learn how to

676
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,840
pick out supplements, learn
about mushrooms and different

677
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,960
types of.
And I do, I do have a supplement

678
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,800
section where I, and you know, I
just, you know, I actually just

679
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,120
used it the other day for
myself, which I was cracking up

680
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,000
because I was like, OK, I'm
using my own book.

681
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:29,760
I have, I do, I have, I have a
vitamin and minerals section

682
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,320
that deals with all the
different vitamins and minerals

683
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,360
and what the synthetic versions
are and dosages and all that

684
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,640
good stuff and food sources of
those vitamins and minerals.

685
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,440
And then I have a section on
supplements, you know, like I

686
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,560
looked up the dosage for sodium
butyrate for a dog and I was

687
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,200
like, you know, I don't have
that memorized, but let me look

688
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,920
it up in the herbal doc.
You know it deals with like a

689
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,040
betaine hydrochloride black seed
oil, bromelain, butyric acid,

690
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,600
even CBD chlorella coenzyme Q10
colostrum different types of

691
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,040
supplements that we use like
cranberry D manos, greenlit

692
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,640
muscle, green tea, humic and
fulvic acid hunt raw honey

693
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,760
hydrolonic acid.
Large L glutamine, like I have

694
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,600
it in the back.
So that one, you know the

695
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,960
dosages and two, you know a
little bit about that supplement

696
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,680
because they're very popular in
the animal world and you might

697
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,840
just kind of have that all in
one spot.

698
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,640
They are.
I can think of quite a few list,

699
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,480
just of the ones you listed off
that I used between me and my

700
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,840
past since we're we're being
confrontational and I happen to

701
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,960
like that.
One of the things that I saw you

702
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,520
post on social media recently,
and I was hoping to ask you

703
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:50,200
about this because I actually
learned about I, I have a pretty

704
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,440
high level of comfort with
essential oils.

705
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:59,200
And I understand that that is a
much more potent form of plant

706
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,880
medicine.
So dealing with the herbs

707
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,520
themselves, as I understand it,
is actually even safer.

708
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,720
But what I think, if I remember
correctly, what you were posting

709
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:12,800
about is what it takes to get to
that essential oil, like the

710
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,640
actual processes that you have
to go through.

711
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,040
And it isn't as sustainable, I
guess is kind of the bottom

712
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,800
line.
So I was just curious if you'd

713
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,760
like to touch on that a little
bit and.

714
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,680
You know, that goes back to what
I just said.

715
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,800
Like a lot of people are afraid
of an like giving their dogs

716
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,040
some peppermint tea, but they're
not afraid of giving their dog a

717
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,120
drop of peppermint essential
oil.

718
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:47,320
And one drop equals like 71 cups
of tea, Like, and it's because

719
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,320
of what I call the American
marketing machine.

720
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:57,360
You know, we've marketed these
beautiful oils so hard and made

721
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,000
them so commonplace and talked
about them like that.

722
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,080
They're the end all save all of
everything, right?

723
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,360
And you should have much more
care in using an essential oil

724
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,560
than you would a regular plant.
I think it's like 5 tons of rose

725
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,440
petals go to like I think I
don't have the exact like 1/2 an

726
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,880
ounce of oil, 5 tons.
Have you ever felt a rose petal?

727
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,160
You can't even feel it on your
hand.

728
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,240
Imagine how many five.
It would literally probably fill

729
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,560
your house, right?
So it.

730
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:40,600
It is crazy to fathom how much
plant material goes into all of

731
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,400
the essential oils that are
sold.

732
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,520
Not to mention so many of them
are adulterated with other oils.

733
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,400
I'm not brand loyal in my
essential oils at all.

734
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:55,320
I, you know, a company can have
really great lavender on

735
00:42:55,320 --> 00:43:01,600
Gustafolia and have not so great
German chamomile essential oil

736
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,040
one year and not the next
because the weather effects

737
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,360
essential oils so much.
Nowhere in nature is that amount

738
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,120
of essential oil found.
Each plant has just a little and

739
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,600
they're in aromatic plants that
need plants with a lot of scent,

740
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,640
like lemon balm, which is one of
the most.

741
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,000
It takes so much lemon balm that
it's like rose to create any

742
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,480
oil.
I've I've made my own lemon balm

743
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,160
oil well with a group of people
and I was just taken aback at

744
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,720
how much plant material you had
to use for like just one drop.

745
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,400
And so it's an eye opener and
essential oils are not

746
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,040
sustainable.
That's why I love using them in

747
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,320
in in sustainable means that one
they decimate plant populations.

748
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:50,400
So it takes so much plant
material, but two, like for like

749
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,640
say peppermint or lavender,
which we can cultivate

750
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,440
ourselves, they have a huge
energy footprint.

751
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,960
Picking those plants, processing
those plants, distilling those

752
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,600
plants, a huge, huge energy
footprint.

753
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,120
So what I like to recommend
people do is buy very small

754
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,360
bottles with reducer tops and
use them how they're supposed to

755
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,160
be used, which is aromatherapy,
which is smelling.

756
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,880
Zoopharmacognosy is awesome
because you can offer that

757
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,720
essential oil to your dog and
let them snip it.

758
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:24,880
They'll let you know that they
are not interested or if they

759
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,720
are interested and then you
could put the cap back on and

760
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,520
you can have that oil for years
and years.

761
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,280
You don't need to purchase a
large amount.

762
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,920
I have used essential oils for
the last 30 years.

763
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,280
I used them a lot in saps in
like a topical.

764
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,680
I'm not saying I don't use them,
but in my practice I don't

765
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,600
hardly ever use them unless we
have severe emotional trauma

766
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,960
when other things aren't working
right.

767
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,400
Homeopathy.
I love using homeopathy.

768
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,480
That footprint is very low and
sustainable.

769
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,120
I use phytoembryonic therapy
which is plant stem cells, very

770
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:03,480
sustainable, allows the plant to
reproduce and and finish its

771
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,600
life cycle.
It doesn't affect the life cycle

772
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,000
of the plant.
And then, you know, regular

773
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,760
herbalism.
And then if there's an issue, I

774
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,960
use essential oils.
I also use flower essences.

775
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,920
Those are also very sustainable.
Don't even have to hurt the

776
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,160
flower if you don't want to.
And then essential oils are my

777
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,840
last gig.
But I've seen them work

778
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:27,040
miracles, you know, in horses,
in dogs, in cats, using zoo

779
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,640
pharmacognosy.
I have used them with cancer.

780
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,560
Some of our great cancer
essential oils are becoming

781
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,040
extinct, which is sad.
Like frankincense, right?

782
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,720
Those trees take 30 years to
produce oil and a lot of them

783
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:44,080
are on the plant savers
endangered list now.

784
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,680
So, and it's specifically due to
essential oil production and a

785
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:53,120
lot of them are adulterated.
So yeah, I mean, from an

786
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,720
herbalist perspective, I love
essential oils.

787
00:45:55,720 --> 00:45:58,640
However, I use them with
reverence.

788
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:03,280
I use them with intention,
they're not my first grab to go,

789
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:09,360
but I implore everyone not to
buy as much of them, only to buy

790
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,400
what's needed.
And really, you can use

791
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,120
essentials very effectively with
a half a DRAM or a DRAM which is

792
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,720
just a wee bit right, and use
them with self selection and

793
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,440
zoopharmacomnosy.
I'm not a huge fan of diffusion.

794
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:26,520
I don't diffuse.
I don't recommend people

795
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,080
diffuse.
The reason why is that every

796
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,720
single person or dog or cat is
getting a medical treatment in

797
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,600
that home.
And essential oils are not meant

798
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,400
to make your house smell better.
You know, the forever dog life.

799
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,080
It's a lovely kind of mix of
different plants that you can

800
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,560
put in water and let them simmer
and it fills your house with

801
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,600
great smell.
I'd love, I love that instead of

802
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,440
using essential oils, you know,
orange, orange essential oil

803
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,920
makes me feel so happy, right?
I whiff it and I'm just like, Oh

804
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,080
my God.
And grapefruit, I love organic

805
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,600
grapefruit.
I go, you know, I get all like,

806
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,000
oh, I love it.
It makes me so happy.

807
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,480
And but it's just a whiff.
And when you diffuse, it goes

808
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,880
into your bloodstream, it goes
into your cat's bloodstream, it

809
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,320
goes into your dog's
bloodstream.

810
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,320
They may not need it.
And orange has medicinal

811
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,080
properties, lemon has medicinal
properties.

812
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,280
Peppermint I would not use
around my dogs unless it's just

813
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,080
giving them a stiff, having them
choose it and then either

814
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,800
walking away or or sitting down
by it or wanting to sniff it a

815
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,240
little more.
Yeah.

816
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,760
I mean, I think we need to be
mindful of our plants and

817
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,520
nature, and a lot of people
don't understand the intensity

818
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,680
that it takes to produce an oil
and what that looks like.

819
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,640
I have a few like I, I allude to
it in my book, but you know, I

820
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,400
know a couple of like I whenever
essential oils come up, I always

821
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,560
mention these people because
they are, they are so wonderful

822
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,520
in the the world of essential
oils, it is Kathy and Florian

823
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,640
Skipper.
Kathy Skipper is a French

824
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,760
trained aromatherapist with.
I could I don't even think you

825
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,160
could count the hours that she
has put into her craft.

826
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:12,080
I, you know, I, I quote her in
my book on essential oils, but

827
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,960
her and her husband Florian go
all around the world distilling

828
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,200
their own oils very, in very
small batches of different types

829
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,560
of plants, stuff that you
probably have never heard of in

830
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,560
the essential oil market.
And they use those oils to move

831
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,840
trauma.
They help people with

832
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,720
generational trauma, with abuse,
child abuse, sexual abuse, all

833
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:36,600
of those things that essential
oils are so good at, moving that

834
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:41,200
energy and transforming that
energy to get true healing for

835
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,440
like some of the psychosomatic
illnesses that we create for

836
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,960
ourselves through emotion.
And their work is phenomenal.

837
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,000
I missed one of their seminars a
couple years ago and I just put

838
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,560
a kick myself.
I was like, how is this the only

839
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,440
time that I can't do something?
I obviously wasn't meant to do

840
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,880
it at that time, but I plan on
taking one of their seminars if

841
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,760
I can get around to it in a
couple years from now for sure.

842
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,360
But yeah, they are amazing.
And I always mention them.

843
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,760
They don't.
They don't know me, but I know

844
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,480
that.
Well, I mean, that's, that's

845
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,280
important, right?
That you know that.

846
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:21,840
Yeah, I, I, I love that because
I think the more, the more we do

847
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:27,200
go down the rabbit hole, I
always want to be aware that

848
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,240
footprint that I have and, and
what I'm doing, the more we

849
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:34,360
learn about that, the better
stewards of the planet we can

850
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,320
be, which which is, is really
important.

851
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,360
And one more question before we
we wrap up.

852
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,040
I am just curious and I don't
know if you have any case

853
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,040
studies in the book, but is
there anything, maybe a story

854
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,960
that comes to mind where you
were just, you used some herbs

855
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,720
for a dog, maybe one of your
dogs and you were just like,

856
00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:00,760
wow, this is absolutely amazing.
My entire career, yeah.

857
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,640
I wouldn't be here if that, if
that wasn't my manifestation.

858
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,960
Like, I can't help everyone, for
sure.

859
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,400
You can't help everyone.
You know, people and dogs are

860
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,320
going to die when they're meant
to, but they're in our lives for

861
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,480
a purpose, you know, And every
day is a gift.

862
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,280
But there's been, you know, like
Valley fever, I've done a couple

863
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,680
of Valley Fever herbal protocols
that have completely gotten rid

864
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,000
of Valley fever where nothing
was working.

865
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,640
Or, you know, I have a dog that
I work with all the time that

866
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,240
I've been working with the last
four years.

867
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:33,800
He had cancer when he came to
me.

868
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,880
He's still alive and thriving
with cancer.

869
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,920
It's very delicate because you
don't know what the window you

870
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,640
have.
You know, the the shorter.

871
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,600
I'm a cancer survivor.
I've talked from experience, but

872
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,560
when your window is tiny, you
need to take huge action.

873
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,720
You don't know how much, how big
of a window.

874
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,600
And this dog had a bigger window
and we were able to help him and

875
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,240
stop the progression of the
cancer and he's doing really

876
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:57,040
well.
I deal with a lot of mast cell

877
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:03,280
cancers, but recently I had a
horse.

878
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,360
I know this isn't a dog, but I
just want to tell you about the

879
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:06,840
horse.
This was the most recent.

880
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,000
This is just the most recent.
Like just, I have this thing

881
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,640
called the canine herbalist
Advisory and I go in there and

882
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,440
people ask me questions and I
give them, you know, try this or

883
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,200
do this or whatever.
So I do like a live thing every

884
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,480
month.
And a few months ago I was all

885
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,640
alive and someone asked me about
their horse.

886
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,360
And I love it when people come
back and say, Oh my God.

887
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,600
And I don't hear about it.
A lot of times I hear about

888
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,280
things like years later, like,
Oh yeah, I used her and she

889
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,200
cured my.
And I'm like, I would have loved

890
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,440
to know, but this woman asked me
about her horse and they were

891
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,040
going to have to put the horse
down because of its mobility.

892
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,680
You know, when horses can't
walk, it's a terrible thing.

893
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:47,640
And I'm like, you know, I would
try mountain pine.

894
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,480
I rattled off on a like a
starting dose for the horse.

895
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,000
Most horses are between like 5
and 900 lbs and some big ones

896
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,320
are over 1000.
But you know, roughly.

897
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,560
She said it was a medium sized
horse.

898
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:02,040
And so I rattled off a dosage
and told her, you know, give it

899
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,800
two to three times a day.
Start out with once, then do

900
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,440
twice and then see how it goes
over the next, you know, a few

901
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,680
weeks or whatever.
And that horse was running

902
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,360
around in like a few days and,
you know, and that's what you

903
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,880
call well indicated.
And I, I didn't have a case

904
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,440
history.
I like, I didn't have a case

905
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,280
built for him.
I didn't have paperwork or

906
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,000
nothing.
And she just said, you know, can

907
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:22,680
you tell me?
And then I told her some

908
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:27,640
homeopathy to add in like Aruda
and Antarctica to had to add in

909
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,720
later on.
But I said, you know, when this

910
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:32,080
stuff works, it works really
well.

911
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,680
So just give it a try first and
then, you know, tag me in the

912
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,400
group and we can try other
things.

913
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,080
And and she's just like, Oh my
God, it like I, my horse is

914
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,600
doing so well.
This is just crazy.

915
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,520
And it was either her horse or
her friend's horse.

916
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,600
And that was like the just the
lack.

917
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,400
This happened just recently.
And I was like, because, you

918
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:56,200
know, those types of things are,
are so important when all the

919
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,120
chips have been played and
there's not much else anyone can

920
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,000
do.
That's when I love to see herbs

921
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,320
come to the rescue.
But even things that make up

922
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,120
make a like a difference in
everyday life, like acid reflux,

923
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,280
right?
I deal with that in the book.

924
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,760
There's all these different
causes of acid reflux and

925
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:18,040
finding that right remedy that
stops your dog's acid reflux.

926
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,240
You know, a lot, a lot of times
it's emotional behind with diet

927
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:23,760
combined with an herb that's
acid reflux for me.

928
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:29,720
But recently my own dog, and
this is just a really great like

929
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:31,160
this is an everyday thing,
right?

930
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,760
So my Basset Hound that we
talked about, she's circling the

931
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,760
funnel in her last.
She's seen her last days I

932
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,560
believe.
I'm hoping she makes it another

933
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,640
year.
But she has anal cancer and we

934
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,880
don't do much with it.
We don't even act like she's has

935
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,960
anal cancer.
We do what we can to for

936
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,960
longevity every day.
She is on an herbal support

937
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,040
protocol.
But one of the side effects of

938
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:55,360
her anal cancer is diarrhea.
And when I say diarrhea, I mean

939
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,840
volcanic explosive, shoot it to
the wall, nasty.

940
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,600
Everyone's crying while they
clean it up.

941
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,640
She had it during Christmas
packages opening this year,

942
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,680
which was lovely.
Everyone's crying and going poor

943
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,720
Lola and poor myself.
You know, you get the nose plug,

944
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,920
you're like Oh my God and got
the sage stick, the whole thing.

945
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:22,200
If Lola gets her BlackBerry leaf
tincture every day, she does not

946
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,480
have any diarrhea.
Now of course it was Christmas

947
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,360
and the night before, in the
morning of, she missed 2

948
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,760
dosages.
She didn't get it.

949
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,400
And then she get it.
She let everything let us know

950
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,240
that.
Nope, not going to work.

951
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,840
Just something like that, right?
That can add comfort to the dog,

952
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:45,280
keep them living longer because
chronic diarrhea will will cause

953
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,680
a lot of horrible things happen
to happen to your dog and making

954
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,720
other, you know, dog owners and
dog guardians a lot happier.

955
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,200
Like I know my life is better
with BlackBerry leaf.

956
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,280
You know, I mean, it is and it's
just something so simple.

957
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,560
She just gets it in the mouth
one dropper twice a day, keeps

958
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,400
the diarrhea away.
And that's just what's called

959
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,600
acute herbalism.
But it's fantastic, right?

960
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,600
And nothing else works that
works.

961
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,760
And it's just a product of
what's going on in her system.

962
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:22,080
But she was supposed to be, she
only was only given a few weeks

963
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,440
over a year ago.
So she's doing really well and

964
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,880
doing really well.
She has an herbal remedy that

965
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:34,560
involves herbs and mushrooms and
BlackBerry leaf so and milk

966
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:35,560
this.
All that's amazing though.

967
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,680
Yeah, I've.
I've been there.

968
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:41,520
I've been there.
I had a cat, a cat who passed a

969
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:46,440
number of years ago now, but his
last like 2:00-ish years of

970
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,080
life.
I mean, the diarrhea was, it was

971
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,920
so bad I had puppy pads up on
the wall because he would get in

972
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,400
the litter box and it went
everywhere.

973
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,520
Right?
I I totally get that.

974
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,000
Yeah.
No, no, we have my whole, I have

975
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,800
two dining rooms because I don't
know, you had two dining rooms

976
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,880
in the 70s, right?
So I've got these two, like I

977
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,080
have the regular dining room
that's attached to the kitchen

978
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,720
and I have this other room.
I use it to do puzzles and for

979
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:16,680
some reason that is the place
where things go down.

980
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:23,160
We have a permanent waterproof
pads that are covering the

981
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:24,960
floor.
You know, you're a dog owner

982
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:28,360
when you have these things and
you allow them to stay there,

983
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,440
you know, and we have to like,
that's at least she'll go in

984
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,520
that one spot if if you haven't.
But I got it on the wall.

985
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,600
I have it here in case, you
know, she hasn't had it since

986
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,280
Christmas because I was like, we
set alarms now to give her a

987
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:46,120
BlackBerry leaf.
But yeah, you know, it's just

988
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,720
something simple.
And, you know, yeah, we're dog

989
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,120
owners.
We can talk about diarrhea.

990
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,720
Oh of course, yeah, absolutely.
Well, I, I appreciate getting 2

991
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:00,200
examples of ways that have been
very impactful for you.

992
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,640
So the herbal dog, it's coming
out February 1st.

993
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,920
You can pre-order it a lot of
different places.

994
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,120
Anywhere you guys?
Yes, I know I pre-ordered mine

995
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:19,120
just on Amazon because I mean,
don't we all and where, but

996
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,080
where can people?
You've mentioned a couple of

997
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,600
things that you have going on.
Monographs, monoliths,

998
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,640
monograph.
Yeah, Monograph.

999
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:32,640
Yes, my teaching platform is
canineherbalism.com.

1000
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,040
You can find my podcast, you can
find the advisory, which is

1001
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,480
$15.00 a month.
You can ask unlimited questions

1002
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,320
about anything, people, dogs,
cats, birds, I don't care.

1003
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:51,240
And I have courses on there and
then I have Canine Herbalist.

1004
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,760
So that's canine herbalism.
I have canine herbalist and

1005
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,520
that's my store and where I do
consulting and formulation

1006
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,040
inquires and things like that.
And then I'm on all your socials

1007
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,560
at canine herbalist.
And I think that's basically it.

1008
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,440
And then the herbal dog, which
is my books website from my

1009
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,160
publisher and you can order
there.

1010
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,400
It has many places to order, not
just Amazon.

1011
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:20,080
We have like the bookshop and
Barnes and Noble and Bam and the

1012
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,120
thrift books.
Thriftbooks.com online has my

1013
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:31,720
book and has had it for almost
$6 off with free shipping so it

1014
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,040
is the actually the cheapest
place to get my book right now.

1015
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,560
Oh, wow, OK.
I think I've heard of them.

1016
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,240
And you said that and I'm like,
something went off in my brain,

1017
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,360
like, oh, I've heard of them.
Before I was like, I keep

1018
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:43,440
checking and I'm like, when is
it?

1019
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:45,760
It's still on.
I'm like Oh my God.

1020
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,880
And I will also have copies for
sale that I will sign, but those

1021
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,400
will be on my website hopefully
by the 4th.

1022
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,520
Awesome.
And then I know you're doing a

1023
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,520
book tour this year so that
those dates, places and dates

1024
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,480
will be on the Herbal Dog.
They will be on the herbal

1025
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:10,080
dog.com and they will also be on
my social media stuff.

1026
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,280
So yeah.
And I'll be attention and on

1027
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,000
Monday.
Yay.

1028
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,080
And I can't wait to see you in
July.

1029
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,360
I know that one's going to sell
out very, very quickly.

1030
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,480
And I think, yeah, I'm just
really, really excited and so

1031
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:27,680
grateful for you and appreciate
you helping so many dogs and pet

1032
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:33,200
parents learn more about how to
how to use nature, how to get

1033
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:38,240
back to nature and really find
that health span, that long

1034
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,000
healthy health span.
That's cool.

1035
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,120
Absolutely.
And I thanks so much for having

1036
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:44,600
me on Jessica.
I really appreciate it.

1037
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,040
Of course.
Thank you so much, Rita.