186. Specialized Cat Care & the Power of Lullabies: How Sound Therapy Helps Felines

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Welcome back, pet parents.
So today we are talking about

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sound again, which I find so
fascinating.

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I actually was recently talking
to Rita Hogan and we were

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discussing a little bit about
the impact of classical music on

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us and our pets.
And there's actually research in

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cancer and other things related
to classical music and sound.

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And so I, I'm really excited to
bring today's guest to you,

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Doctor Amaya Espindola with
Felvet.

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And we are going to be talking a
little bit about sound.

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But before we do, I want to
welcome you and thank you so

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much for being here.
Thank you for inviting me, it's

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a pleasure.
Yeah, I well, and one of the

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things that I really like to do
because I, it just doesn't

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happen very often, is kind of
highlight cats.

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I get so many people on here, we
talk about dogs a lot and a lot

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of that translates to cats.
But to really call out cat

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specific things is something
that I do like to do as often as

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possible.
I've had cats since literally

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the day I I left home at 8 of
the day I turned 18.

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I've had my own cats at least
one ever since.

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And as much as I love dogs, I'm
just, I know like in my heart,

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my cats are like my babies.
And again with the sound thing,

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that's just, it's so fascinating
to me.

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Again, I want to thank you so
much for being here and bringing

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all of your expertise with you.
But I would love to start out

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just by hearing a little bit
about how you got started and

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veterinary medicine, and then we
can kind of talk about how

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things have evolved since then.
OK, so the story is it's

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actually a bit funny because I
was afraid of cats.

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And and it's not, it's not just
that I was afraid of cats.

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It was kind of a cultural thing
because I've never been attacked

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or I was simply allergic.
And all my family is.

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And simply we had this idea of,
you know, cats are independent.

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They don't want to be with you.
They, they are not lovable or,

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you know, we were all dog
people, right?

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So, and, and actually for my
mother, the idea of having a pet

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was such a responsibility that
she was like very cautious every

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time we asked for a pet, you
know, I was like, yeah, we want

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a dog or we want something.
And, and yeah, she was like,

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yeah, I know I'll be taking care
of them.

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So she was a little bit say like
resistant to have more pets.

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But I mean, when I started, I
had a dog.

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I had one of my I think was the
first teacher I had her, her

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name was Sophia.
I was a mixed breed kind of

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shepherd and Husky dog.
And she had an issue in her back

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and when she turned 14, before
that, I think she never visit

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the vet.
Those dogs that always eat the

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same food you do, you know,
those we never fed even any

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ultra process.
We didn't know anything about

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it.
But yeah, the same food that we

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had.
And I met the first vet there,

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one of the local vets we had.
And I saw the way he was, you

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know, he was very open.
He, he would open a book with

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you and, and discuss it.
And I thought, this is amazing

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how how he works and how he does
it.

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But in the end, we could not
find a solution for her.

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So we had, we had to euthanize
and it was kind of a very bad

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experience in that because it
was my first connection.

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I had the opportunity to learn
about what she was going

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through.
So I said to myself, I want to,

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you know, I want to make sure
that, you know, we did the right

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thing, kind of.
I liked animals, but at the same

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time I was very artistic and I
liked music.

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So I was kind of a difficult
decision.

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But in the end you turn out for
the supposedly to be safe, safer

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career.
No way.

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And you and you go for medicine.
And I said, OK, I started there

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and up until the end of the
career when I, when we had a

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Class, A specific class with a
guest coming from Buenos Aires

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to talk about specifically about
cats, I was not convinced to

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work working with cats.
And after that class, I was

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like, OK, I'm afraid of the 50%
of the of the animals I'll be

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treating.
Right.

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They have to do something about
it.

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So well, I did, went to practice
with him and suddenly things

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started to happen, things that
were unexpected.

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I ended up practicing for John
August in College Station in

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Texas A and I ended up in Spain
working all my all my jobs were

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in feline hospitals.
So it's kind of the doors open

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up for me.
After I decided to face the fear

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of being with cats, the my
allergies disappeared.

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I am the only thing my family
that does does not have

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allergies anymore of cats.
I was going to ask you about

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that.
Like what did you do?

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Nothing.
I just rubbed them because they

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had no other option.
Then then I learned through

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psychosomatics that allergies
come from a could be a conscious

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or unconscious fear.
So there is a reaction to the

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from your body to something
external, right?

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And that can be conscious or
unconscious.

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So then I learned.
But when I faced the fear of

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cats and I stopped fear and fear
in them, the allergies

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disappeared just like that.
I didn't know at the time I

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simply robbed them like this.
I was like, OK, I need to face

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this.
I need to do it.

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And that's how I got into, you
know, the feline world.

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And I became really passionate
about.

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I had the chance to work in a
cat cafe in Madrid for seven

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years, and I was the responsible
bed.

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I had to deal with 30 cats at
the same time.

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That was the greatest experience
I had because you can learn a

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lot of things in books.
You can learn about how to

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handle a cat.
But when you have 30 cats were

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roaming around and you're
rescuing 1, you have to bring

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it, You have to accommodate
them.

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You have to make sure that the
people visiting the Cat Cafe is

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it's doing well.
And all the cats, I got the

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chance to try holistic therapies
with them.

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It was quite a really good
moment as a, as a, as a

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development for me.
That's, that's why it, it

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actually made the difference
because up until then, I already

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had a degree of feline medicine.
I had all those things.

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But until you face an aggressive
cat, until you face introducing

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a new cat in the environment, I
think you don't know anything.

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I mean, you can learn everything
in books.

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So there was one thing I was
doing at the time and it was

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singing.
Because when I, when I'm

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nervous, I sing, that's my
other, my other part, the

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musician was not never left
alone.

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I mean, I was studying
veterinary school at school and

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then at the same time I was
learning music and singing.

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So those things were always
parallel when, when I, when I

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was nervous and I knew my energy
was a bit, you know, when you

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find a scared, scared cat, you
need to relax a lot.

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You need to calm down to, in
order to try and communicate

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with them.
So without again, without

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knowing what I was doing, now I
know, but without knowing, I

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started singing and I start
seeing the benefits from it.

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But at that time I didn't do
anything with.

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I was just simply relaxing.
Oh, I got it.

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Now I can vaccinate now I can,
you know, that's all I thought

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about and that's how I started.
How that's how my holistic

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career, everything felt that was
born.

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It was all through those
experiences, It was all very.

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So it sounds like because one of
the things that I like to talk

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to veterinarians about is their
transition into holistic or

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integrative medicine, because
most vet schools, at least I

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would imagine, I'm here in the
US, but I would imagine around

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the world, there isn't a whole
lot of emphasis, if any at all,

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on natural remedies, on natural
treatments.

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And, you know, considering
incorporating them into your

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practice.
So, you know, I heard you say

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that when you were at the Cat
Cafe, that's kind of where you

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were able to bring in some
holistic options, which is

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absolutely amazing.
I love that the you were given

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kind of that freedom to do that.
And I'm just curious as to like

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what what some of the things
were that you start.

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I mean, you know, you were
singing and that certainly is

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very holistic thing to do, but
what were some of the things

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that you kind of dabbled in at
first?

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Well, all as you say, old
schools are old school, they

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don't they don't add anything.
What I would say it's, I would

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consider a benefit studying in
like a third world country like

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Argentina is that we learn to
work without resources and in a

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way that gives you a holistic
perspective of things.

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I remember working especially
with horses that we need to, we

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needed to connect with the horse
in order to get things done

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because we were taught, imagine
if you don't have anyone around

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helping you out and you have to
deal with a horse in the middle

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of the field that you have to
deal with it, right?

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So those things were very
valuable for me.

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That's one of one of the things
I really liked about my career,

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the good and the bad, because we
also learned a lot of animal

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production things that were
horrible for me.

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You know, the cow's how you
know, the meat production, the

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milk, those those were really,
really difficult for me.

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But in the sense of learning
without resources, it was one

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thing that when I went to Texas
A and I saw the benefits of, you

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know, having all the technology
at your side.

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So I kind of was able to touch
in different worlds.

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And this is already a thing that
opens up your mind to, OK, if I

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go here, instead of trying to
push what I know, I adapt to the

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next, OK, here we have certain
technologies.

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The day that fails, I know what
to do.

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And when I, when I arrived to
Spain, I met a vet that she was

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already how holistic she was
doing traditional Chinese

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medicine.
And at that time we, we became

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very close friends.
And she was, she was simply just

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saying things like, you know,
homeopathy works like this.

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And I remember my brain going, I
understand.

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And, and this is vibration of
that.

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I was when I met the people at
the Cat Cafe, they were very

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open.
They already knew about animal

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communication.
So for me, it was like what,

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where am I?
What am I doing?

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But again, I adapted into the
environment of those people

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that, you know, they were doing
a lot of things.

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And to be honest, the first
thing that we did was animal

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communication.
My friend would come and do a

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little bit of homeopathy.
She introduced me to cranial

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sacral.
Well, she did acupuncture.

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I, I never, I never digged into
traditional Chinese medicine.

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I don't think I I'm aligned to
that, but I love certain facts

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that traditional Chinese
medicine has, which I use, such

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as the heat and all those
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But you know, kind of my mind
was like bubbling of new things.

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And I had 30 cats and they were
open for me to try everything I

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wanted.
So that's where I learned so far

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my pregnancy talent on Touch
Backflowers, others, Essence

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Music.
I was able to try everything

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there because they were open to
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And actually the owner, she was
really good communicating.

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So when I learned I was able to
tap into that as well and

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practice with her, you know, it
was, it was as I said, it was

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really good experience that
changed my perspective.

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And also there I met someone
that came as a commercial.

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She was selling a wet food for
cats and she gave me a book of

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raw diet and she said I sell
this because it's the closest

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thing to raw because it was a
really good brand of I don't

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remember the name now.
And and she said, but you should

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read to and you should read Ian
Billinger's and I and I said,

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OK, I will when when I started
reading, I was like, this has so

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much that.
Bring it.

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Like, yes, yes, that's How I Met
the raw feeding veteran society.

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That's how you know, so
everything started to be aligned

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in that job and then the
pandemic came that closed down

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and I, I said, OK, I have enough
with all the things I've learned

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during the seven-year period.
Now it's time to develop velvet

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and start doing it on my own,
right.

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And, and that's how that's how I
I got into things.

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And then after that I started
perfection in the things that I

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was more aligned to the
therapies, which is so

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pharmacognacy is one of my
favourites because it changed

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the way I see animals.
As a vet, you are taught to

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interpret the symptoms and make
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But when you are faced with two
pharmacognacy and you allowed

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them to tell you how they feel,
you add that with a little bit

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of communication or you add that
with a bit of talent and touch,

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and you allow them to be the
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Like we should be doing as well
with our own health.

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That changed the perspective of
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It was not only as a zoo farmer
cognosy thing.

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It was, OK, I'm going to give
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If the cat doesn't want to take
it, I have to think, rethink the

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whole thing.
Maybe I'm making a mistake, you

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know?
And that was really powerful for

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me.
There are a lot of things in

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there I want to touch on.
I definitely want to talk a

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little bit more about C pharma
cognosy and then the idea of

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when you say, you know, I can
prescribe an antibiotic to a

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cat, but if they don't want to
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Right?
Like so the idea of working with

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cats is, in my opinion, very
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dogs.
But before we jump into that, I

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kind of wanted go back a minute
to what you said about being

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more open to holistic natural
options in a third world country

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because you don't have the
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That hit me, that really touched
me when you said that because

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living in the United States,
I've always, I mean, I've

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traveled a little bit outside of
the country, but not a whole

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lot.
And so somebody who has grown up

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here, who has let's just
basically say never left, I know

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like in our culture, in our
society today especially like we

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really, I think things are
starting to change a little bit

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in our climate.
But we really for so long have

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looked at people who try to do
things the natural way, who want

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to eat right, take care of their
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Like they, these people have
really been looked at as

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outsiders, as almost bougie
because like, oh, you're so

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extra for wanting to, you know,
like take care of yourself in

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that way.
And I know that, like, to me

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that just sounds so weird.
But also we live and, and I

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don't know where it is where you
are, but here when we want to

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buy food that isn't sprayed with
glyphosate, when we want to buy

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meat that was raised
regeneratively, we pay dearly

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for it.
Like you can spend a few dollars

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and have a meal and it is full
of herbicides and pesticides.

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It is full of if you get real
animal product in it, which you

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may not, but if you do, that
animal did not eat a species

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appropriate, like it's also
inflammatory, full of chemicals.

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And if you want to actually care
for your body and return to

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nature as much as possible and
eat right and all of it like you

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do, you spend an arm and a leg.
And so it's really looked at,

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even though like, like you said
it in in another country,

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especially like a third world
country, you don't have the

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resources.
So you do look to nature.

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It's, it's just so it's like
180° to me, but I get it and I

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see it.
But I wanted to acknowledge that

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because I feel like so many
people listening probably feel

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that way too.
And I'm not sure if it's like

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that, like what I described.
I'm not sure if it's like that

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where you are, but it's just
it's, it's like you're looked at

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as an oddball for wanting to
care for yourself.

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Well, for example, one of the
things that shook me when I

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moved to Spain was that we have
in Argentina, we have very good

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quality what we used to because
you know, we tend to, we tried

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to get into the first world
country things that we do, we

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start doing things wrong.
Extensive meat protection was

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very common.
So you know, it was fairly

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common to see cows roaming
around and that's what now it's

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all full of soy, which that's
the economic issue that now we

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have.
But before you, you could get

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without having to buy organic or
grass fed, grass fed was

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something common, right?
So it was, it was something that

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you could buy in any, any
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And but then, you know, now, now
it's changing and now it's not

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as good as you could find.
Spain and Europe in general, I

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would say we have really, well,
not really good about better,

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better organizations.
You can find for example here in

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Mallorca, there is a consumers
group so you can fight find

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local products.
You pay a fortune for them

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unless you know you find buy
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But once it you have the
supermarket in between or

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something else, you're, you're
paying a lot of money for it.

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For example, olive oil, which is
one of the most common things in

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Spain, it's really expensive.
Wow, it is it is something that

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because in order to find a good
olive oil that is extra virgin

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with, you know, first extrusion
and you know, without any heat

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without any any additives or
anything, you pay that a lot of

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money for it.
They call it the the golden, the

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golden liquid or something like
that because how much the price

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increase.
So we, we still have those

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issues.
But it's true.

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I have my sister living in
Houston and, and family all in

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Texas and they, they struggle a
lot to find and they pay much

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more money for organic foods or
it's difficult to find.

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Actually, my, my uncle has his
own garden because he likes to

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look into details and he's like
an odd, but like you say, but

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it's because of this, it's
difficult to, to find well in

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animal feed.
It's well, it's bought in

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Argentina as well.
The the cable that you find.

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Mostly it's is the big brands.
And in Europe we have the

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alternative of the grain free.
There is a lot of grain free or

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better or premium or anything.
But still it's all ultra

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process.
But when I look at the some of

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the products in the US, I really
need to like look into very

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deep, very deep, very thoroughly
to find, to make sure that that

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food is good.
And this is this is something

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that concerns me a lot.
Yeah, it me too, believe me.

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Oh my goodness.
Well, I just, I think that we

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definitely see our pets are
suffering there.

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There's no ifs, ands or buts
about it.

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Like our pets are suffering and
we are too.

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We just.
I think we see it quicker in our

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pets because they have a shorter
lifespan, they're smaller, they

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can't handle the amount of
toxins that we can.

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Like, it's, there's so much to
it.

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But yeah, I, I kind of want to
bring things back around to cats

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a little bit because they are,
and I know I've talked about

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this so many times on the
podcast, they are the most toxic

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animals on the planet, I believe
is the correct way of saying it.

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And I think that there are a lot
of reasons for that, especially

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here in the US.
They pretty much don't ever get

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to go outside.
So they're not touching healthy

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soil.
They're not off gassing or so

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like so much smaller than us or
even our dogs.

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And their paw pads absorb like
everything.

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So whatever is in that cat
litter, just because, you know,

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cats do ingest it because they
clean themselves, but they're

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also getting all of like if it's
scented or fragranced or

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whatever, like it's all being
absorbed in their paw pads.

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Whatever chemicals we're using
to clean our homes and they're

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walking on those surfaces.
There's so much in our

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environment that is so
detrimental to them before we

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even start talking about food or
vaccines or, you know,

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neurotoxic chemicals that we put
on them to kill fleas and like

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whatever we're doing, they are
some of the most toxic animals

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on the planet.
Maybe they talk most toxic

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animals on the planet.
And it is so sad because to me,

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and I've I've talked about this
with animal communicators that

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I've had on in the past.
I believe that our cats or our

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cats and our dogs, I think are
both absolutely incredible,

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wonderful, wonderful creatures
that I think humans need.

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We we need them in our lives.
I truly believe that, but in a

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different way.
And I think cats are very

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spiritual creatures.
I think cats protect us in more

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spiritual levels.
And I do wonder so much about, I

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know for us here in the States,
we have fluoride in our water

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and that calcifies the pineal
gland.

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We are not connected to nature.
I think that's one of the

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biggest reasons why we're not
like we don't seek connection to

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nature anymore.
And I just wonder, like, are we

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doing the same things to our
cats when I I feel like they're

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supposed to be such spiritual
creature.

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What do you think about that?
Well, I do agree there are

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actually I was trying to find
since there is a lot of local

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producers here are artisans that
work with wool and wool is one

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of the most natural fit
products.

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And actually it's it's not used,
it's not properly.

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They use it, they trash it, they
don't use it.

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Wow.
And it's free and you have to.

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I've been, that's why I started
doing toys for cats with wool

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because wool is one of the most
natural products you can get.

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Before you treat it, of course
you has to be plain and cool.

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But not only we have the toxins
of the cleaning products that we

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have or the fabrics which our
couches are made, because most

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couches have that.
It's a product they put to avoid

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ignition.
Yeah, there's like fire

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retardants, but there's also
like stain guards.

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And so, yeah, they do a lot of
different things.

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They do and most of them are
plastic or contain a lot of

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plastic, so that's one thing.
Then you have all the sense that

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when I, when I started having
cats and I decided to remove and

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use only natural scents and
things like that, everything is

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scented.
Once you realize that when you,

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when you're going to wash your,
your clothes, when you're going

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to do any, everything is over.
My, my, my sense of smell is so,

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so sensitive now because I
removed all those things.

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Then you have the electricity,
the radiation where the water,

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you know where or the, the, the,
the water runs around your

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house, the electricity and the
radiation from the Wi-Fi.

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So there's no scape.
I mean, there is a lot even if

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you if they want to get the
sunlight in through the windows,

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they don't get the benefit from
the real sunlight that they

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would get outside.
So, so cats are a very powerful

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machine, as you say.
I do also believe they protect

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the spiritual world and as dogs
are more physical and they they

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they, they share with you like a
journey of I get more physical

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journey of you being connected
to her that they take you

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outside.
I think cats take you inwards.

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And and if you see how we
evolved with cats, they were

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always a symbolic thing.
You know, you loved it, you

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hated it.
They were associated with all

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religious things.
They were associated with

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symbolism, symbol of wealth as
well with women.

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But on the other hand, dogs
allowed us to survive because we

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were able to sit down, cultivate
and have groups and tribes and

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because you we had the
protection of dogs.

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So it's a completely different
evolution.

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So it's understandable as well.
All the myths surrounding cats.

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It is normal to have culturally
develop these fears of this

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respect because, you know, it's
a symbol.

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You never got the chance to
actually connect with them.

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And I can tell, I can see that
it's fearful because they they

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push you to look inwards and
not, not all people want to do

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that.
So it's really hard.

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And when you when you start
doing that and you realize that

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your home is a hazard.
Yeah, everywhere.

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Very much so.
It's very difficult because you

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cannot sometimes you were
renting, you cannot do a

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sanctuary everywhere you go or
you cannot change and vibrate

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really high frequencies to to
get it done.

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So it's really difficult.
I used to believe that cats

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were, well, indoor.
And now, now I don't what are we

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doing or whether we move to the
countryside and leave it

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connected to nature.
And then we have cats.

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And that would be the perfect
life for me, for them.

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But at the same time, if you see
the situation, at least here in,

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in Spain, you will see that
there's a lot of predators.

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You know, we not only ruin the
indoor life with all the

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technologies and all the things
we do, but outside the outside

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world is actually very dangerous
because there are no ecosystems,

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you know, And so we blame them
to be the very, very high.

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How do you say this?
They kill the the phone around

446
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,360
they, they, and for fun, you
know.

447
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,080
Sometimes they kill our birds.
Yeah, people don't like that

448
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:16,400
they kill the birds.
But, and I think, yeah, I think

449
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:22,240
other wildlife is honestly the
least of our concerns when it

450
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,680
comes to cats.
Like, yes, there are wolves,

451
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,920
there are coyotes, there are
mountain lions.

452
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,400
There are like, there are
certainly risks in the world for

453
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,560
cats in general, but I think
humans are the biggest threat to

454
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,800
cats living outside with, you
know, our neighborhoods, with

455
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,520
traffic, with.
With the kids playing with

456
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,600
stones and throwing at the cats.
Yeah, like it's just and and

457
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,000
then we don't want them living
behind shopping center, you

458
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,280
know, I mean, there's, I think
humans are the biggest, biggest

459
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,600
cats living outdoors.
But at the same time, since we,

460
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,920
we destroyed the ecosystem and
we don't have that variety that

461
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,480
it's needed, we, we bring more
diseases.

462
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,480
So if they, if a cat feeds on,
on a migratory bird or if they

463
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,920
have, you know, a rat, even you
don't know if somebody else

464
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,760
actually put a poison on that,
on that rat.

465
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,200
So there are there are many,
many risks outside that.

466
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,120
Of course, there are a whole
human caused, but there are some

467
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,080
risks because of it.
And when they say that they are

468
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,440
predators and they kill a lot of
birds a year, they are

469
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:40,680
forgetting that indoor there's
no excitement, there's not the

470
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,840
right food, there is no nothing.
Because if you see a lot of

471
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,720
because well, I have in front of
my house, I have like a space

472
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,400
with like 10 cats and they don't
they don't take more than they

473
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,760
need.
They use, they know how to use

474
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,720
the enough resources that they
need and that's it.

475
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:05,080
And they reproduce accordingly
to the resources that they have.

476
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,600
We're trying to control because
we make, we are making it wrong.

477
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,400
We are making the wrong outside
and inside and our solutions.

478
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,080
I do believe that this is the
only solution we have at the

479
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,600
moment.
Like for example, the capture,

480
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,840
neutering and release, those are
solutions for me are temporary

481
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,800
solutions.
We have this issue.

482
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:34,120
We destroyed ecosystems.
We have to acknowledge that we

483
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:38,200
have this solution at the
moment, but there is we had to

484
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,800
have another plan for the
future, let's say for 20 years.

485
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,800
I don't it doesn't matter.
But we need to look into other

486
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,800
ways to restore those ecosystems
so we don't have to turn into

487
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,760
these things.
So I believe cats have like

488
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,240
this.
They are misinterpret, they are

489
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,640
not understood.
They and we tend to blame loads

490
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,320
of things on them.
And yes, they are the most

491
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320
toxic.
And yeah, poor cats.

492
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,600
I know, I know.
Well, and to go back to what you

493
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:14,840
were talking about, it sounds
like a better way to treat cats

494
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,080
because they are, in my opinion,
and I know Jay and Adrian

495
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,160
always, every time I say this,
they're like, how dare you.

496
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,160
But I I say it because I believe
it's true.

497
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,440
And I feel like it is more
difficult to raise a cat than a

498
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,200
dog.
And they both have their

499
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:39,040
challenges, But for a cat, I
just feel like they it, it's

500
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,760
trying to force anything on them
is so much more difficult.

501
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:49,960
So a dog you can hide a pill and
you know, a piece of meat or

502
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,160
syringe something into their
mouths.

503
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:57,000
You can, you know, they'll sit
there and let you trim their

504
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,600
nails even if they don't like
it.

505
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,480
Like you can work around things
with dogs, with cats, you really

506
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,160
they, they need to trust you.
And even when they do, there's

507
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,760
not a good chance you're going
to get cooperation from them for

508
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,600
anything.
So the idea I would like for you

509
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,040
to explain a little bit more
about what Sue Pharmacognosy is

510
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,480
and how you utilize that.
OK, well I'm going to.

511
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:31,440
I'm going to agree with Jason
because every time I have to

512
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,400
treat a dog because sometimes I
get friends that ask me

513
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,800
questions or for me they are not
that easy.

514
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,440
I experienced, actually the best
experience I had, it was with

515
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,240
pit bulls that, you know, we
surprised, but they're very good

516
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,640
patients.
They're they're amazing ones.

517
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,240
Yeah.
And with cats, what I learned

518
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,480
is, is that what I said before
about the energy that you have?

519
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:04,280
And it's not about, of course,
dogs have this service

520
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,800
motivation that the, you know,
they, they always going to try

521
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,680
to please you.
And cats don't, they don't have

522
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,480
that.
So that is why you may find it

523
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,920
easier to deal with them.
But there is a way with cats, if

524
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,840
you not only they learn to trust
you, but you learn to control

525
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,920
yourself and forget about
expectations, what they actually

526
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,440
want from you and what makes
them feel safe.

527
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,560
It's you being 100% in the
present.

528
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,080
That's how you manage.
Because I my cat, not the one

529
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,160
that's probably going to walk
away in a moment, but she's

530
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,760
right here.
My other cat was aggressive.

531
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,840
There was a reactive and a very
aggressive.

532
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,560
And yes, I started with a towel
going around and throwing,

533
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,600
trying to trim the nails like
that.

534
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:59,440
But with work, with a lot of
work nowadays, I call him with a

535
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,120
treat.
I cut.

536
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,040
So I cut one hand and then he
goes and I said OK.

537
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,120
We stop and then I give him a
treat.

538
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,200
I distract him and I said OK.
But I'm not.

539
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,440
I'm not even trying to please
him at all.

540
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,440
I'm just trying him to forget,
calm down, just the information.

541
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,160
Nothing happened.
I'm alive, everything is fine.

542
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,400
And then I go back.
I grab him and say OK the other

543
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,240
hand.
Come on.

544
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,040
And then again.
And I did that with pills.

545
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,040
I can syringe, I can give
anything.

546
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,960
Every time he tries, he tries to
avoid, he runs away a little

547
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,800
bit.
And then he said, OK, she's

548
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,720
going to get me.
Right.

549
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,480
Yeah.
But all of this came with a lot

550
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,240
of work, and when I'm thinking
about it, I'm not already

551
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,160
thinking that it's going to be
difficult.

552
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,200
I've learned to be totally in
the present.

553
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,120
Totally.
I'm not thinking about anything

554
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,600
else that you're going to take
this and if you don't, then if

555
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,120
you don't, I'll think about it,
why you didn't want this.

556
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,280
But at that time I'm just
thinking on that and that that's

557
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,040
what made it made it easier for
me.

558
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,400
Talking about the pharmacognacy,
which is the the ability animals

559
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,280
have to self medicate.
You can offer them.

560
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,400
That's a really good way to
offer nature for indoor cats.

561
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,280
You can allow them to release
certain things.

562
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,239
There she goes.
You allow them to to touch into

563
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,400
those medicines and and tell you
how they are feeling

564
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,400
emotionally, physically, if
there is something going on, you

565
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,760
know, because even even they can
choose things that they are

566
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,199
potentially toxic for them.
But if they are choosing them,

567
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,520
it's something in there that
they need.

568
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,400
Yeah, most people would would
get confused and say, oh, yeah,

569
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,840
but my cat eats any plant,
right?

570
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,560
And he goes around and he's
eating this plant and that

571
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,000
planted.
He's not selecting anything.

572
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,400
So when I started asking about
what plants do they have?

573
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:17,280
And this, this happened to me
once they have a bonsai of a

574
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,840
it's a plan I can remember now.
It's, it's a plan used for

575
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,720
arthritis.
It's a tree.

576
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:26,600
It's a tree that it's used for
arthritis.

577
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,600
And she told me, she told me
that, that what the bonsai was.

578
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,280
And I said to, to her, well, we
need to look into arthritis

579
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,040
plans, plans for treating
arthritis.

580
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,840
And he selected three of them.
Wow.

581
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,440
So once we started treating the
arthritis, he stopped eating the

582
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,400
bonsai.
Wow.

583
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,760
I saw this for example, cats
with digestive issues that you

584
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,200
will see that they will take
plastic or they will, they will

585
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:01,400
choose to chew on well most
plastic have a little bit of

586
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,080
potato starch, you know, so
sometimes it's not what they

587
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,920
they are looking for.
But some other cats will eat

588
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,480
bread commercial and very ultra
processed bread.

589
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:17,400
So if you have that, you may
need to look into the digestive

590
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:18,960
system.
There's something going on

591
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,960
because that's not normal for
them.

592
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,920
And when you start eating them,
they will stop eating the bread

593
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,040
and so on.
So you can, you can just simply

594
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:33,080
go and say, OK, I can use
valerian root catnip or any

595
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,440
normal herbs around.
You can use cat gardens.

596
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,680
There are around some people
that do this, you can

597
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,160
individualize and do a session
for them.

598
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,480
I used to do that for behavioral
problems.

599
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,280
And most of the times I, I was
surprised of the result.

600
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,400
I, I was expected, you know, you
kind of put your expectation and

601
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,160
said this is the problem.
So I'm going to select this and

602
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,040
suddenly they can't choose
something completely different,

603
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,720
right?
So it's kind of a really nice

604
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,400
experience.
You allowed them to release a

605
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,800
little bit to do the grounding
that they are not allowed to do

606
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,880
because they live indoor.
Cats that have access to the

607
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,800
outside usually won't select as
much.

608
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,840
Sometimes you need to tap into
essential oils because they

609
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,120
already have the dry herbs or
the plants or anything outside.

610
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,240
So it's not the same experience
for all.

611
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,520
And if you've tried already a
garden, you bought it and then

612
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,400
the cat's not selecting
anything, then even that is an

613
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,160
answer of why it's not
selecting.

614
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,400
It's not selecting because it's
not sending anything.

615
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,680
He's doesn't doesn't want to.
He's anxious of other things.

616
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,600
Are you doing it with another
cat?

617
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:50,840
So everything, once you put
nature for them, if they are not

618
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,680
selecting things, they are
disconnected.

619
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,760
So you need.
So everything you do with the

620
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:02,760
pharmacognosy allows you to have
a broader spectrum of what what

621
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,320
the problems might be.
And This is why I loved it so

622
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,320
much.
It's so fascinating to me and I,

623
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,240
I never implemented it until the
first time I spoke with Rita

624
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:15,400
Hogan, who was a canine
herbalist.

625
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,080
And it really is so incredibly
interesting.

626
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,480
And I did notice what you said
about being disconnected, like

627
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,320
that's kind of how I felt my dog
was.

628
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,200
I feel like my cats are better
at selecting and I and I and I

629
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,440
felt like my dog was less so.
So we've been working on that.

630
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,280
But it is very, very
interesting.

631
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:38,120
But I want to switch gears a
little bit and go back to the

632
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:43,400
beginning where we were talking
about sound, because I know

633
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,720
you've mentioned that music is
your other passion.

634
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,520
Your cat behind you is just
adorable.

635
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,160
Your other passion is music.
And I know that you have put out

636
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:58,080
some lullabies that people can
purchase that are specifically

637
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,360
created for cats.
And I would just love to hear a

638
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,840
little bit about how you use
sound therapy in your practice

639
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,440
and how you created what these
lullabies are for.

640
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,680
OK, this is something very new.
Actually.

641
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,280
They are not yet recorded.
We are, I have three of them and

642
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:22,320
but my goal is to teach, to
teach people how to use their

643
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:28,520
voice in a way that it's
relaxing for, for their cats.

644
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:33,680
And the best way to do it is
through lullabies because it's

645
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,280
something that it's already in
our systems.

646
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,960
We and when I say lullaby, it
doesn't have to be a song to

647
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,520
rest or sleep or you know, it's
not that the point.

648
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,520
The point of lullabies is that
it connects you to your yourself

649
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,960
when you were a baby and your
mother will sing to you in a

650
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,640
repetitive way in a certain tone
and it had a frequency and it

651
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,920
becomes kind of a language, a
universal language that can be

652
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,240
transmitted to a baby.
Does it that it hasn't developed

653
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:09,120
language yet, but still the baby
connects to it.

654
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,640
So it doesn't make any
difference if that baby is a

655
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,560
cat.
Actually, you can do it with

656
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,160
dogs as well.
So the important thing is how

657
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,840
you do it.
What I'm doing now is to record

658
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,280
this three lullaby, which
contains certain words that

659
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,040
empower you because you are the
only one who is going to

660
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,920
understand.
But the idea is for you to

661
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,880
connect with those words, to
connect repeatedly and create

662
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,160
that bond with your cat by using
them.

663
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:45,760
It's kind of like a mantra, but
for me, mantras are very it's,

664
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,160
it's part of, I respect them so
much.

665
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,760
I believe that they are made for
specific purposes.

666
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,320
So if you are very aligned to
that and you like to sing

667
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,320
mantras, great that you can use
mantras because it's the same

668
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,720
process.
But I think for everybody,

669
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,440
that's my goal, that every
single cat or dog parent, they

670
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:14,000
should tap into what they listen
as as a kid, as a baby, to

671
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,040
connect now with their pets.
And there's a lot of scientific

672
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:23,880
research on how lullabies should
be, how they create this safe

673
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,840
space, how the nervous system
develops.

674
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,920
And this is aligned to immune
immunity.

675
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,000
And it helps to relax, it helps
to adapt to environment much

676
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,960
better.
So imagine if you rescue cats,

677
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,800
that will be something really
good to do because you're going

678
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,000
to become the mother, right?
So instead of becoming those

679
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,400
worried mothers, mothers that
we, we are, you know, like, are

680
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,120
you doing this?
I always, and I am one of those

681
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,560
because when I work, when I work
with cats and I was, you know,

682
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,760
you get desperate when things go
wrong.

683
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,880
So if you get into this, it's a
very simple exercise.

684
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,200
So what I'm offering at the
moment is teach you how to use

685
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,720
your voice properly, how to
connect and how to create that

686
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,760
space.
So when my lullabies are finally

687
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,640
out, you can get and sing them
or you can sing anything in your

688
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,880
own native language that you
remember, right?

689
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,120
That's another option.
But the important thing is how

690
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,120
to be present and how to do it.
And that's that's what I'm

691
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,160
teaching because that's what
I've learned as a singer, how to

692
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,680
how to do that, how to breathe
properly.

693
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,280
And it's going to also improve
your life because if you speak

694
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,200
better, if you you're heard
because your voice is out there,

695
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,600
you're going to have better
relationships as well.

696
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,520
This is kind of a benefit to all
of us.

697
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,960
And that's one of the things
then sound therapy, as you say,

698
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,760
before the classical music,
classical music has a lot of

699
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,280
effects, positive effects of and
and it's and if you look at the

700
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,880
had the special, how do you call
the music sheet, right?

701
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,600
If you look at the classical
music, it's not jazz.

702
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,320
It doesn't have all the
craziness that we developed over

703
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,480
the modern music.
It's very specific and it

704
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,960
contains certain things are
accepted and some others that

705
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,880
don't that are not.
So the same structure applies.

706
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:33,520
But then there was David Day
that decided to add to that

707
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,960
classical music a little bit of
the sounds that the animal is

708
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,880
accustomed to.
So for example, he developed

709
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,360
music for cats.
He's a cellist and he he did

710
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,320
music for cats where he added
the the suckling, the purring

711
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,680
and everything that a baby hears
when they are near the mother

712
00:43:55,160 --> 00:44:00,520
and added it to classical music.
And he got much better results

713
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,440
from it.
So he said he started with this

714
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,560
new concept of species
appropriate music.

715
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,320
Wow.
Yeah.

716
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,080
And so I use that as well.
So if I want to combine it.

717
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,160
And then you have bioacoustics
as well, which is the sound of

718
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,040
nature.
When you walk around in nature,

719
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,960
you have certain sounds, maybe
you are not aware of them, but

720
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,480
those sounds are working on you
and then you feel refreshed, you

721
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,040
feel better.
There is one, at least I know

722
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,880
one in Spain doing it.
It's called Sound and Life.

723
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:39,680
And she does apply bioacoustics,
which she goes around the world,

724
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,320
records things in a specific
time and place.

725
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,000
She measures the frequencies of
it and tells you what?

726
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,920
What are they good for?
I had seen, oh, I wish I could

727
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,320
find, I haven't seen it in a
while because you know how

728
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,440
social media algorithms go,
they're always changing.

729
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,920
But I used to see, I think it
was on TikTok.

730
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,040
There was somebody, I'm sure
there are more, but there was

731
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,560
somebody.
They have like device where they

732
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,560
click one, They're two different
clips that you can clip to like

733
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:12,320
a plant or something and then
you can hear the frequency of

734
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,320
that plant and how different
they all are.

735
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,680
It's amazing.
It's also very calming and

736
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,080
soothing and I'm like, this is
just incredible.

737
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,360
Yeah, and they play with with
fruits, they touch with fruits

738
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,000
and they play music with it.
And yeah, those are a bit.

739
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,960
The only problem with those is
that the sound they create is a.

740
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,840
It's too meaty.
So it's a sound that is a bit

741
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,480
artificial, though it's a
frequency and and it's all that.

742
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,480
It's tapping into different
electric fields around.

743
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,720
So it creates a sound from it,
but it's a bit artificial.

744
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,080
The best is to go to nature and
measure those frequencies.

745
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,760
Those are the best you can use.
Actually, later this couple of

746
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,640
weeks, I've been using one of
the sounds just because I had

747
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,520
trouble sleeping for a few days
and I decided to put the sounds

748
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:11,040
and not only slept better, a lot
better, but I had like this

749
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,040
feeling this.
I woke up very well, you know,

750
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,840
like not only rested but also
happy, you know, content and and

751
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,080
I looked at because I chose it
just, you know, before I go to

752
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,080
sleep, I have like several
sounds from her and I chose one

753
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,760
that it's ocean.
It's an ocean in a specific

754
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,440
place.
I don't remember exactly where,

755
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:37,160
but she has different water
sounds and you have to play them

756
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,040
very in a very low volume.
Some of them are to be applied

757
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,600
topically for, for example,
arthritis or pain.

758
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,520
You have others because
sometimes you listen to certain

759
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,560
sounds and you feel
uncomfortable and if that you

760
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,800
have to remove it.
So it has a really powerful

761
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,160
effect for you.
And then she has a lot.

762
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,320
And now I'm trying to help her
to translate things because I

763
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,400
want her to reach first because
she has a very interesting work.

764
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:10,280
So my participation in all this
sound therapy and all the things

765
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,920
I've been trying, I've been
trying also singing and I went

766
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,240
to gong bounced baths, but every
time I tried to use those, the

767
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:22,960
cats will simply disappear.
They're like, no, that's that's

768
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,160
wrong.
That's just wrong.

769
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,520
We're not doing that.
So I know some people use it and

770
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,320
they have really good, maybe
they have different than they've

771
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,720
tried.
I just simply my experiments

772
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,920
with singing bowls and all this
harmonically developed

773
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,920
instruments.
I've seen cats sometimes

774
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,080
comfortable, sometimes not that
for me, the voice is one of the

775
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:47,920
things I can control and I know
and I understand and I know the

776
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,080
benefit of it because my
personal growth was around that.

777
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,880
So I'm actually also learned
light language and soul song,

778
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,400
which is kind of the the song
that you meditate and you

779
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,480
connect and you're your
challenge your own soul to

780
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,400
produce a sound.
And all of those things allow

781
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,480
you to connect deeper and
deeper.

782
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,440
I can tell you if you learn how
to use your voice, you can

783
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,200
communicate with the cats and
dogs.

784
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,560
I can tell more about cats, but
any other species?

785
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,920
Much much better.
It really is amazing.

786
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,120
I was reminded as you were
talking about it earlier,

787
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,280
there's many, I'm sure channels
on YouTube, but there's one in

788
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,280
particular that my husband
watches and this guy goes out

789
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,640
into a crowded area, a public
area, and plays the guitar and

790
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,640
has a sign that says sing with
me for free.

791
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,680
And he always said people come
up and they choose the song and

792
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,840
he plays the guitar and they
sing and he always asks them

793
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,640
when they're done with the song.
How do you feel now that you've

794
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,200
sung?
And everybody 100% of the time

795
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,760
across the board says I feel
better or I feel amazing or like

796
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,440
it really.
It does something inside of us

797
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:59,320
that I don't know if we even
really completely understand it,

798
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,560
but it definitely changes us for
the better.

799
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,120
And the words we use.
Sometimes you don't understand

800
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:10,040
the language you're singing, but
you understand the emotion

801
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,640
behind it and suddenly you
connect to it.

802
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,520
There is a lot of power in in
voice.

803
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,280
If you're listening out there
and you think, oh, but I Can't

804
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,680
Sing.
I'm like, if I sing, you know,

805
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:26,560
because that's the usual I get.
I would say everybody can sing.

806
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,960
All the tribes, all, you know,
around the world, all the tribes

807
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,760
used to sing without any
judgment.

808
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,800
The problem is the judgment we
created in our minds about it.

809
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,400
And if you cannot get the note
right, it's because you're

810
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,960
overthinking it.
That's the only thing.

811
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,360
If you connect with the
breathing, if you simply try,

812
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,000
you know, not trying to get the
notes, simply go around sing

813
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,840
without thinking about it,
you're going to get it right.

814
00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,040
So it's not impossible and the
idea of singing right better or

815
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,200
it's very commercial.
It's not a good voice.

816
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,040
I've heard many good voices
around.

817
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,440
They're not commercial.
They are not going to sell a CD

818
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,520
ever in their lives.
And some others that have that,

819
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,400
you know, that pop and thing
that it's very popular.

820
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,760
They're going to sell CDs and
they're, well, CDs.

821
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,440
Not anymore.
But it's a lot of songs and and

822
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,640
it's because of it's popular,
it's not necessarily the best

823
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,000
voice.
So we need to make a

824
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,880
distinguished and start and stop
judging about it.

825
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:40,840
I think that's a good place to
end when not judging yourself

826
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,800
and just feeling into it.
And yeah, because I think we

827
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:50,560
could all use that in our lives
to just free ourselves from all

828
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,760
the judgment.
I think we place so much more on

829
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:57,440
ourselves than the outside world
ever would place on us.

830
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,960
So where can people find you can
find Felvet?

831
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,400
Where can they go to like learn
more and follow you and all the

832
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,480
things?
They will find me on

833
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,720
felvet.co.uk Felvet for cats in
most social media.

834
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,800
And if you tap on the Hard Cut
and Soul podcast, it's fairly

835
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,920
new.
The Spanish one is much more

836
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,640
advanced, but hard cut and soul.
I will start again on February

837
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,320
because I'm now in the holiday
time, but I'm, I'm going to

838
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,800
start again in February.
And that's, those are the

839
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,360
places.
And if you if you speak Spanish,

840
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,320
then just stop my name and
you'll find the same website,

841
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:42,880
misbindle.com and you'll find
everything in Spanish as well.

842
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,280
Awesome.
And all of that will be in the

843
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,480
show notes for you guys.
So I want to thank you again so

844
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:53,000
much for coming on and sharing
your story and helping us learn

845
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,880
a little bit more about what you
do and how it can improve the

846
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,000
lives of our pets.
So thank you so much.

847
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:02,560
Thank you for allowing me to
share everything too.

848
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,840
So thank you too.
Awesome.

849
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,680
You guys have a wonderful rest
of your day.

850
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,760
Please give your pets some extra
love from me and Doctor Amaya

851
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,640
this week and I will talk to you
next week.

852
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:14,280
What?