187. Herbs for Dogs: Canine Herbalist Rita Hogan on Natural Healing & ‘The Herbal Dog’: Pet Health Junkies special

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Welcome back, pet parent.
It hasn't been that long since

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Rita Hogan, the canine
herbalist, was on the Pet

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Parenting Reset, but she is
still on her book tour for her

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new book, The Herbal Dog.
And as part of that book tour,

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she also recorded with us on Pet
Health Junkies.

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So I tried really hard not to
overlap any questions from 1

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recording to the other so that I
could bring this episode to you

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as well.
The Herbal Dog, in my opinion,

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is the book of the year for me
at least it is.

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It's one of my goals this year
is to learn more from Rita

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specifically and learn more
about herbs in general.

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And so the Herbal Dog being the
reference book that it is, is so

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exciting.
If you haven't got yourself a

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copy yet, I hope you get
yourself a copy.

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I will put a link to it in the
the show notes.

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And if you are anywhere near any
of the book tour in person stops

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that Rita is doing this year,
she is currently on her book

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tour.
I hope you take the opportunity

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to go listen to her, even get a
copy of the book sign.

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How cool would that be?
But I wanted to bring you this

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episode of Pet Health Junkies
this week because there's just

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so much valuable information.
Someone like Rita who has spent

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decades working in a modality
like she has, which is herbs.

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Of course.
There's so much knowledge to be

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gained.
So I hope you enjoy this episode

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of Pet Health Junkies.
This is our weekly episode for

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the Pet Parenting Reset.
Of course, I have more episodes

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that are recorded that I'm going
to get out to you, but Rita's,

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every time I listen to her, I
hear something I learned

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something new and I wanted to
bring that to you as well.

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So let's get into it.
Here is this week's Pet Health

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Junkies episode with the
incredible canine herbalist Rita

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Hogan.
Welcome back, pet health junkie.

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We are so excited to be talking
to our guest, the incredible

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Rita Hogan today.
We're so happy to be able to

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bring her to you, especially
since her book, The Herbal Dog

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has just launched.
We are so excited.

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I can't tell you, I really
cannot tell you how excited I am

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for this book.
And I know I've told Rita this

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in the past.
I one of my goals this year is

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to learn more about herbalism.
So this was like the universe

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telling me, here you go, here's
Rita.

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Best teacher?
Yeah, we are so, so excited for

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you to be here.
So excited for your book, so

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excited for your tour.
Thank you so much for all that

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you do Welcome, Rita Hogan.
Hello, so excited to be here.

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Really am totally excited about
it and I get all three at one

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time.
I know we try very hard not to

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talk over.
I know just as I was saying, we

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try very hard not to talk over
each other.

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But yes, we have a lot of
questions.

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And I think I know Janet wanted
to ask you a little bit about

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like your motivation and why you
wrote the book.

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And I think that's a great place
to start if you wouldn't mind,

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Janet.
Well, that, that's just it.

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I, when I saw you on social
media, Rita, announcing your

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book and then I, I see the post,
you know, all the time and, and

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pre-order and, and I'd love for
you to by the time this comes

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out, it will be released.
So we definitely want people to

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hear more than one time during
the podcast where they can go

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get your beautiful book.
But that's quite a lofty goal

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that, you know, when you set out
to write a book #1 But then when

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we talk about herbs and
herbalism and especially, you

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know, canines, and I'm sure that
Pam is probably going to ask you

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about cat, but you know, in the
space where we all work and live

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and breathe and love, it's about
natural pet care.

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It's about Wellness.
And definitely herbs, you know,

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lend itself to that.
So if you could just give us and

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our listeners a background, your
background, first of all, kind

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of set the stage there and then
tell us what led you to wanting

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to write this beautiful book.
Well my background is in

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herbalism.
I've been doing a long time,

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couple decades.
It morphed and changed to full

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time herbalism, but I started
off in kennel free boarding and

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moving to Tennessee.
Then I started studying

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herbalism and then I decided I
was going to do dogs and herbs.

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And then I realized there was a
couple other people out there

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that were dedicating their lives
to animals and herbalism and I

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was excited about that.
You know, our the Internet was

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not the Internet of today.
You know, you couldn't find any

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information out on the Internet.
You could, I mean, you could, I

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don't even think you could order
like books on the Internet at

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that time.
I'm not positive.

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I don't think you could.
At least I couldn't.

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I, I didn't know how we had
satellite Internet at the time,

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but I just realized how sick
sick dogs were, you know, how

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sick they were and that people
would be so surprised when their

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animals would get better.
So we, we moved to Olympia, WA

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and that's when I really, really
took it on like full full time.

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But I helped all the people that
I boarded dogs with and

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experimented on pugs in my
rescue for a long time with

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herbs.
Not they're non-toxic herbs, you

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know, but they taught me a lot
and here I am.

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So the motivation to write the
book is definitely to get people

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to understand how to use herbs
according to plant language,

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which many people don't.
You know, I put out a a meme

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today about the book helping
with the supplement graveyard.

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Reason why is because so many
people have so many things that

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their dogs just don't.
It doesn't work.

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And usually that's because they
are not looking at the plants as

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individuals or their dog as an
individual.

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So you know, this book really
helps you do that.

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And if you don't want to do that
with the book, that's fine and

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still help you, right?
It's part learning and it's part

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reference, but hopefully, you
know, you'll, you'll want to

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learn a little bit about your
dog as an ecosystem and an

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individual.
And that will keep you from

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having that supplement graveyard
because you'll have different

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palettes in which to use and
choose herbs from.

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But I but I, you know, the book
is 400 and 400 and Oh my God.

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A lot of pages.
It's 440 pages long and it, you

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know, it really comes out of a
mentorship I had with about like

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30 to 40 women for about four
years, every single Thursday.

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And I showed, they showed up and
I wrote lessons and they wrote

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lessons.
And then when I, and when I went

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to write the book, I had a lot
that I had already done and put

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together.
So I had to rewrite everything

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and then add things here and
there and, and decide what I

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wanted to go into it.
But that was definitely the

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motivation.
That's a lot of dedication.

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Can you give us just one example
before we go on to the next

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question about a dog that you
like you, you said the looking

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at your pet as an ecosystem and
then looking at the herbs and as

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I think you said a plant,
individual plant.

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Is that what you said?
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And so can you give us an
example because, you know, in

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popology, as with Jessica and
Pam, you know, we deal with

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herbs.
We do have some brands on our

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shelves here at Pathology.
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I have what I call my first aid
kit and it is full of various

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herbs.
And what I love is that if I see

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a symptom with Charlie, my 13
year old Aussie, I know I can

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spend my little wheel and get my
tincture and I give him that and

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he's fine within, you know, two
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But I don't know if that's
exactly what you were talking

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about.
You know, 'cause that seems.

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Crazy spinning.
I want to know your spinning.

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That's all I.
Wondering.

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My, my, my little wheel, I have
a dual layered cake plate in my

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kitchen and it spins.
So it's two layers and it's on a

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spindle and I just have my
tinctures out, you know, on the

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counter because I don't have,
they don't fit in a cabinet.

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And so that's where I keep my
tinctures and I call it my first

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aid kit.
It's my go to.

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But you know, their, their daily
digest drops are there, there,

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you know, but then if
occasionally Charlie will get

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runny eyes and I have an allergy
drop that works beautifully with

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him.
And so I give it to him for a

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couple of days and those little
boogies dry up.

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Well, good.
I don't know what been.

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Doing that for a long.
Time, I don't know what's in

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what's allergy drops, but
probably something that

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resonates with him, right?
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I definitely would encourage you
to explore more like why he gets

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the boogies in the 1st place and
why they're chronic and why you

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have to keep giving that boogie
take.

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Liver, liver and environmental
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And he loves to stay outside.
And so it coincides, like here

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in Central Texas where we are,
his little drippy eye usually

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coincides with what's going on
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And I actually am going to step
into the store and I'm going to

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go get my tincture so I can tell
you what plants are in it.

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Get your boogie drops.
Get those, boogie.

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Drops.
OK, well, you tell everybody.

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Give us an example.
Good.

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You can use them as an example,
but if you're, you know, the

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biggest example that I haven't,
I think I actually, I use it in

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the book because it's just so
common and easy is, you know,

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turmeric.
Everyone loves turmeric.

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I just did a monograph on
turmeric and you know, everyone

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loves turmeric.
Well, turmeric is not good for a

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lot of dogs, dogs that are too
warm, because turmeric is.

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It's not as warming as ginger,
but it is quite warming.

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You know, ginger and turmeric.
If you look on the shelves of

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your store, you're gonna see
ginger and turmeric in so much.

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And it just doesn't work for
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It makes them more hot.
It makes them more lethargic.

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It causes more inflammation
because they're hot, like an

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indirect cause of inflammation.
So I mean, that's the biggest

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example that people can, most
people know what turmeric is

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and, and it's warming.
I think it tastes great and I'm

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a warm person and if I eat
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I, I love it, but I can't eat it
very regularly.

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I very inconsistently.
I can have it like when I go out

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for Thai and someone puts a
little bit in there or something

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like that, or I eat that great.
What is that potato and

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cauliflower dish?
It's an Indian dish.

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Yummy, but I probably haven't
had that in years.

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But it's chock full of turmeric.
But yeah, I mean, that's a, you

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know, looking at looking at a
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If your dog turns out to be have
more of a unbalanced heat in

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their ecosystem, turmeric is not
something you're going to use

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consistently.
I mean, you can use the one off,

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but it's it's, it's not
something that you should be

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giving your dog.
That's a good example about what

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you mean by that, the ecosystem.
What's in your oak drops?

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Nettle, which I've heard you
talk about nettle many times.

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Nettle's great.
Yep, there is licorice in here.

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Burdock root.
I've heard you talk about that

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many times and my 60 year old
eyes are failing with the last

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ingredient.
I can't see it.

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It's with an E.
Echinacea.

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Bright.
IBRIGHT E.

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What is it?
Is it?

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EY, yeah, Ibright.
Yes, that's it.

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Ibright's good for allergies and
it's good for the eyes.

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Of course.
That's, you know, that's a fine

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formula.
It's cooling.

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So your dog is most likely a
warm dog.

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Yeah.
So if it's working well and it

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works well each time.
So that's a cooling formula.

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And I bring him cooling.
Foods.

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As well.
Yeah.

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Now if your dog was not a warm
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would not work very well.
It could be work, it could work

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acutely, but it's not going to
work all the time.

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OK.
So yeah, so that's an example.

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That's great, very practical.
One of the things that I'm kind

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of picking up on Rita, is how
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individual a plant is.
As I was thinking of it, I was

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like, Oh yeah, that's the name
of your podcast.

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Dogs are individuals.
Because all of these supplements

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that are out here, there are so
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Most people don't read the
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buy.
And it is very like, you really

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do need to like dive in to what
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supplement you're purchasing and
why they're there.

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What is the benefit?
Does your dog actually need

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that?
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someone who goes down the rabbit
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what you're teaching yourself is
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individually.
Does that make sense?

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Am I going down the right path?
Yes, you are.

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You're going down the right.
You're following the right

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rabbit.
Following.

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The right rabbit.
Yes, that is exactly, I mean,

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some people view it as it makes
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It actually doesn't once you
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And it doesn't mean like that a
warm dog can't have it doesn't

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mean that a warm dog can't have,
let's just say turmeric, right?

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But it does mean that they
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and consistently or you need to
give something that really

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offsets the heat.
So like if you're going to give

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ginger and turmeric, then, you
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gentian that is nice and cold
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heat.
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works for the long term.
It's I haven't seen it work all

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that well for the long term.
For the short term, sure,

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absolutely.
But for the long term, and as

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dogs go, this is really
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symptoms and more symptoms and
more symptoms, it's more

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important to stick to an
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and supplements as they get
hotter, you know, because you

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know, with cold dogs, dogs that
are cold and cold and hot are

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disease states.
So you've got, you know, you've

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probably got some arthritis,
some liver weakness, some kidney

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weakness, you know, you've got
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probably some plaque on the
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You know, just a lot of you know
what is called comorbidities or

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you know, symptoms showing up in
the cold department, in the hot

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department, they look different,
right?

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But when a dog is cold, if you
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cold food, and I mean cooling
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temperature is even worse.
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you will not on purpose, but
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And you know, and these are
common sense things, the way the

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body works.
You know, the body works on a

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system of opposites for the most
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Now, if you're using homeopathy,
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It's like cures like, and that's
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And I mix homeopathy and herbs
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I include homeopathy in my book.
But you know, when your body's

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too hot, it's really good to
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OK.
And if your body's too warm, we

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want to cool it down.
And someone asked me the other

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day, well, should I feed them
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No, no, because they're gut.
We're not.

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It's, it's an ecosystem.
We're not talking about just the

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gut.
The gut does not need frozen

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food.
The gut, the that that's even a

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nice warm digestion.
We don't want to freeze it out.

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food.
We don't want to do that because

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I mean, I see, I see the
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Well, well, if they're hot, then
maybe giving them frozen food

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will help.
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Will they be more tolerant to
cold food?

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Sure.
Like out of the refrigerator.

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Yes, they might in the dead of
summer, but very rarely, it will

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still negatively affect their
gut.

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And we don't want to shut down
that digestion because it does

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need warmth and it does need
heat, But there's different

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types of heat.
And we're talking about the

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whole ecosystem.
We're not talking about just a

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gastrointestinal tract and
everything's connected.

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So we really want to be mindful
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We can't hear you, Jessica.
Jessa, you are.

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Married.
I was muted because there was a

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lot of noise in my background.
I apologize.

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So what that makes me, that was
making me think of the whole

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concept of yen and Yang and how
even if we have a hot dog or if

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we have a cold dog, we do want
to lean in the opposite

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direction for what we're doing.
But we can't be 100% right?

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It's never all of one or the
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State you can't hold a you
can't.

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That's why consistency is
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You can't hold a health and
stasis.

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And for those of you that do not
know what yin and Yang are, are

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because I tend to speak out
against those terms in the

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English language because a lot
of people don't understand the

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concept.
It's rising energy and falling

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energy, you know, things that
stimulate and then think things

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that calm, you know, cold dogs
need more stimulation and dogs

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that are already super
stimulated need more downward

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energy.
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And it definitely is along those
concepts because all the food,

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all the herbs, all of them have
different energy into different

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degrees.
You know, like I said, ginger's

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much hotter than correct.
And your bug do you folder.

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Sorry.
And the bug.

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You talk about, you know, how to
identify your pet as warming or

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cooling.
Do you go into those?

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Good.
Yeah, that, that, that, my

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sweet, is chapter 3.
Chapter 3.

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My favorite number.
It's all about energetics.

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It's to help them feel about
your pup and give you a good

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idea, even if you can just get
there.

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Are they warm or cool?
And remember, it's a spectrum.

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It's not just like it's a
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And in my opinion, most dogs are
either born warm or cool and

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they when they start to get
sick, they go towards their

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their the the kind of like polar
regions of hot and cold.

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I don't see them crossover that
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You know, they can get warmer in
their spectrum or cooler in

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their spectrum.
Like a hot dog can get go back

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to warm just a night and warm
and cool are nice and healthy.

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It's when they start to get
colder and hotter.

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That's when we start seeing
things just coming up and you

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know, like fur loss and and
dryness and but if people can

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just get warm and cool, so many
things will open up.

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I remember when.
My practice when I discovered

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energetics, it was a lecture
with Matthew Wood.

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I discovered energetics and my
head blew off and I just, I, you

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know, it was like I was sitting
there and all of a sudden I saw

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all of these cases that I worked
with, dogs that I worked with

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and exactly why they didn't
work.

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Like I was like, Oh yeah, Oh my
God, that's why that didn't

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work.
That's why that Oh my God,

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that's why that and that's why
and oh, this is and that, you

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know, and my head just went oh,
and and I was like, oh God, I

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have to learn this.
I have to learn this, you know,

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and there's still things I'm
learning, but I was like, wow,

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this is so awesome because and I
learned a little bit about it

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when I read my favorite book.
There it is when I read this

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when I was just starting out, I
read Cheryl Schwartz's book and

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she just OK, so I was just
starting at Little Tibet secret.

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I just started out in 2003,
right?

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This book was written, It was
written in 1996 thousand and

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three, right?
I read this book.

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She became like she was my
ultimate and I was like, Oh my

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God, who is this woman?
I love her and this book helped

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me so much.
It blew my brains.

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And now and it's Cheryl
Schwartz, DVM.

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She's on the bat.
Cheryl Schwartz and Pam, I know

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you're into this, want to tell
you a super fun thing about

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Cheryl and I and this right
here.

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So I asked Cheryl to write me a
thing for my book, right?

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I just put it out there.
I helped her cat and the fact

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that I helped her cat is just
mind blowing.

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Blew my head off like this is
all coming full circle.

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This is crazy.
So she says Rita is a fellow

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pioneer who offers choices of
maintaining health and blah,

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blah, blah.
OK, hold on.

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Now.
That came much later than when

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this was written.
So in here, I have an

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acknowledgement to her.
Hold on.

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I'm going to find this is just
the best.

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I love.
Oh, to Cheryl Schwartz, thank

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you for looking beyond what is
visible.

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Are you ready?
You're a pioneer of integrative

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care and inspiration both.
What's so crazy is we both

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called each other a, a pioneer.
She said you're a fellow

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pioneer.
And I was just like, that is

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crazy.
Wait till she, I don't think

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she's read it.
Maybe she has, but I'm like,

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wait till she reads the
acknowledgement.

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I mean, it's crazy because
because when you read the I'm

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not going to read the whole
thing, but when you read the

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whole thing, it was like what?
And I loved that, that our kind

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of our brains were on the same
spectrum.

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And, you know, he's the pioneer,
not me, but I might be a pioneer

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to someone who is coming up, you
know, up and coming.

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And that's one of the reasons
why I love what I'm doing and

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how my life has worked out to do
this work is that, you know,

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this book is a way for me to
hand the baton to someone and

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say, here, take my work, right?
And it's not mine.

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It's not my work a little, a
little bit is mine, right?

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By dealing with dogs and, and
everyday and stuff like that.

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But this is the work of my
mentors and the people before

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them and the people before them
and the people before them,

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because that's what herbalism is
about.

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That's what traditional
herbalism is about.

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And so, you know, this is my
interpretation and my experience

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of herbalism, but it's not mine.
And I want someone else to take

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this and take my work and expand
it, right?

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It's, and it's where my brain
doesn't go, you know, cuz we all

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have these really special little
guys right up here, you know,

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this special way that we see
things.

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I see things in patterns.
Like I see the world in

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patterns.
And, you know, I want to hand

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the baton to other people to
help them rise up and help

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others because that's what it's
all about, right?

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We're here to help our cats, our
dogs, our donkeys, our chicks.

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I'm, you're, I'm learning
homeopathy for chickens right

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now.
We're, you know, whatever little

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creatures we're, we're taking
care of, right?

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Yeah.
It doesn't matter if it's, you

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know, whatever we gravitate
towards, right?

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I definitely want one of those
small Highland cows really bad.

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I want one really bad.
And after this book tour is

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over, it might happen.
Like whatever we're taking care

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of, we want them to be healthy.
We want ourselves to be healthy.

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And I think that and what I love
about that, what I love about

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that, and especially in this
climate right now, like what

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we're dealing with in in the
United States right now, one

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thing that brings us together as
a people is our animals, right?

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We can, we can real for those
people who love animals.

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Some people don't.
But like the people that love

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animals, which is way more than
the people who don't love

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animals.
And some people just have some

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strange fears of, of animals.
But like, you know, our dogs and

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our cats and all the little
fuzzy creatures in our homes,

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they bring us together despite
our political differences or

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despite how we believe this and
we believe that and everyone's

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trying to be right and blah,
blah, blah.

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We really come together and,
and, and plants, in my opinion,

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are healers of all of that
stuff.

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So yeah, there I go that I I
digress.

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I digress.
I love that.

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I want to ask you where you
would suggest pet parents start.

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And I don't know if you want to
answer that now or later in the

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podcast, well, aside from
reading the book.

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But you know, a lot of times,
you know, we, I think all of us,

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we see pet parents that are
overwhelmed and they, you know,

446
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bottom line to what you were
just saying, Rita, is what we we

447
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,880
can all agree that we are in
unity about wanting to help our

448
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,720
pets and wanting them to be the
most healthy they can be, to be

449
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,520
with us the longest they can be
with us while being healthy.

450
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:09,200
I don't mean they lived 15 years
and were on Apoquel inside a

451
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,680
point for eight, you know, 1000
years.

452
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,120
And because we all know that
that's that comes with grave

453
00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:20,560
consequences eventually and it
doesn't lead to a quality life.

454
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,720
What would you tell our
listeners, our pet parents who

455
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,880
are caught in this gerbil wheel
of going the traditional route?

456
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,080
I think that a couple of things
get in the way.

457
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:37,920
One starts with AP, ends with an
E if I'm spelling it correctly,

458
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,280
which is not always the right
thing.

459
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,880
Oh, patience, yes.
And the other one is

460
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:50,040
expectations and the other one
is fear.

461
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,280
So I think those three things
get in the way.

462
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,440
I think that our expectations
are pharmaceutical.

463
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,520
Correct.
I talk about in this book.

464
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,440
In the book, I try to, I try to
calm people down.

465
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,680
I'm always trying to calm people
down because they get excited.

466
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,920
And you know, we come from fear.
Like literally if a dog's

467
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,600
toenail, say a dog's toenail
ripped out of their paw, Pat.

468
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,080
Just happened to my puppy.
OK, her.

469
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:23,960
Toenail was at a 90° literally
this Sunday.

470
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,240
I we saw it.
And so Monday I took her into

471
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,680
the vet and they sent me an
X-ray and they're like, she

472
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,160
broke her toe and it's already
healed.

473
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,520
It's already, it just has to
have been here two to four weeks

474
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,840
and that we were my husband and
I were like, there's no way.

475
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,840
We play fetch with her every
morning, every night.

476
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,000
She is so active.
You know, I'm looking at her paw

477
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,240
pads.
She's been groomed twice and I'm

478
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,320
like, no, we got home from
dinner last night and I'm

479
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,760
playing with her and my husband
noticed he goes, where's her

480
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,640
toenail?
And I looked her paw pads.

481
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,000
Everything was back to normal
but the vet was convinced that

482
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,040
it had broken and already
healed.

483
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,960
But it was I guess dislocated
because everything is there and

484
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,720
back to quote UN quote normal.
So just shocked it back in

485
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,040
place.
Apparently she did.

486
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,160
She saved me on vet.
That we do, you know, they're

487
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,320
like something hurts there.
I'm going to just keep on doing

488
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,120
what I'm doing.
But well, you know, I mean, the

489
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:32,240
example like a nail, a nail
comes out of the nail bed and

490
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,040
it's really obvious.
I think a lot of people don't

491
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,400
think and go, OK, yeah, it's
going to be a little swollen,

492
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:44,440
right?
But they literally feel like

493
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:50,800
their dog is going to
spontaneously explode in that

494
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:56,480
moment, just explode.
The dog is exploding and just

495
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,440
because it it's missing a nail
from its pop head, and you know

496
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,840
that.
And that alone can get you on.

497
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,920
OK well, we're just going to do
antibiotics just in case.

498
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,760
Right.
OK.

499
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,000
Yeah.
Good.

500
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,480
Thank you so much.
You know, they like, oh, God,

501
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,040
yeah, that's it.
That's it right there.

502
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,000
And then we just destroyed their
dog's immune system.

503
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,600
And then that's just the youth
that keeps on giving.

504
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,720
Right.
And they don't do anything about

505
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,160
it.
No, because, well, it was last

506
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,560
year they gave him, you know, I
hear all the time I say

507
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,240
something like, well, you know,
you gave him antibiotics.

508
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,160
So, you know, This is why this
is happening.

509
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,520
Well, I gave him antibiotics two
years ago and you did nothing.

510
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,360
And and they're like, well,
yeah, he started having problems

511
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,720
about 3 months after the
antibiotics.

512
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,400
That typical three to six
months.

513
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,160
You know, we or you know, you
don't, it's kind of like

514
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,600
economics, right?
Something happens and you don't

515
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,800
see it for months, then all of a
sudden you're screwed.

516
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,240
So like that kind of stuff.
And I think that fear really

517
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,880
leads us to making these really
poor choices.

518
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,640
And I tell people, you know,
take a breath, even a cancer

519
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:09,320
diagnosis, go home, sit and
breathe and calm yourself down,

520
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,680
right?
Your dogs, your dog doesn't

521
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,600
know.
And they're like, what is the

522
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,800
matter with you?
What, what did I do or what is

523
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,360
happening?
And then I get all stressed out.

524
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,640
But like having the right
expectations, not coming from

525
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,560
fear and patience.
We are trained pharmaceutically.

526
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,680
We're trained pharmaceutically.
Like if something doesn't,

527
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,400
something doesn't occur.
Like a woman said, well, she's

528
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,880
been on it three days.
OK, OK, we need it.

529
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,920
We're talking 6 to 8 weeks here.
And it's not anyone's fault.

530
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,760
And I have in my book, Janet, I
have a whole section called

531
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:51,720
Expectations in healing because
I think that expectations are

532
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,960
really needed, like for herbs
and using natural substances.

533
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Like people have to get a little
positivity under their belt.

534
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:03,600
Have some good experiences with
it.

535
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,040
Like a lot of people don't even
understand like cat people have

536
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,080
been using herbs forever.
Catnip is a wonderful nervous

537
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,840
system herb.
It's off.

538
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:17,080
It's like really awesome at
turning on the vagus nerve, the

539
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,640
parasympathetic nervous system
that calms everything down.

540
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,880
They don't look at it as an
herb, but it's an herb and it

541
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,560
can be used for cat and dogs
too.

542
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,560
And, and you know, there's like
there's cat grass and wheat

543
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:33,360
grass and a lot of people use
like spirulina or chlorella.

544
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,280
Those aren't herbs.
They're they're algaes.

545
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,000
But I just think people need to
have some positive experiences

546
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,600
and you take, you know, if you
figure out your dog's

547
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,440
energetics, you figure out there
if they're a warmer, cool dog,

548
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,520
then you start just add 1 urban
that you may think I have in the

549
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,040
back of the book.
I have these things called

550
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,680
cofactors.
OK, let's just look at the

551
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,360
cofactor.
Well, not that one because that

552
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,680
one's a little more different.
Let's look at the cofactors for

553
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,080
go to Cola.
This is a perfect example.

554
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,040
So you look in the back of the
book, it looks something like

555
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,280
this.
That's all about go to Cola.

556
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,920
OK, so go to cola and I
mentioned go to cola throughout

557
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:13,640
the book on different ailments,
but go to cola has cofactors and

558
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,320
cofactors are like symptoms.
All right.

559
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:22,480
And the more cofactors your dog
has, the more well indicated

560
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,400
that herb is.
So you're just your average

561
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,040
American pet parent trying to
figure out if this like what you

562
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,080
should do, right?
Your dog has, I would say your

563
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,240
dog is warm.
They are a little hyperactive

564
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:42,080
and they've got, let's just say
some connective tissue weakness,

565
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,960
like they had ACCL tear, OK,
Like a tendon tear or something.

566
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,640
OK, so you're looking at here
and you're going OK, cofactors,

567
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,320
acid reflux, adrenal weakness,
anal gland conditions, anxiety,

568
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,440
arthritis, CCL tear.
There's one, but you know what?

569
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:07,200
Last year they had acid reflux.
They've their stomach's always

570
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,080
been a little off.
And, you know, they're 12 years

571
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,720
old and I've noticed that
they're just not as responsive

572
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,840
as they used to.
Maybe they're getting a little

573
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,320
dementia.
And two years ago when they were

574
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,080
at the vet, the vet told me that
they had a little like, kind of

575
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,880
like almost high blood pressure.
And they definitely, I feel like

576
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,040
they're stressed because I'm a
stressed mess.

577
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,080
And, and then, you know, there's
a whole bunches of things.

578
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,600
Heart weakness, hernia, high
blood pressure, high

579
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,520
cholesterol, high toxic load,
hypothyroid, leaky gut, nervous

580
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,560
system nervousness.
Yeah.

581
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,920
And they're a little, they're a
little overweight and their,

582
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,160
their skin is a little itchy.
So that would be like 8

583
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,280
cofactors, and you already know
your dog is warm.

584
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,880
OK, So you're looking at the
right herb because it's warm.

585
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,760
That would be 8 cofactors that
your dog has had or does have,

586
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,560
right?
I even look into the past, you

587
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,360
know, if it's within three to
five years, that's still a

588
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,560
cofactor.
Your dog suffered from acid

589
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,600
reflux.
So that actually would be a

590
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,440
really good herb to start with.
It'd be really good.

591
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,960
And we give dosages.
Nice SO.

592
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,840
We have a T-shirt dosage.
We have an infusion dosage for

593
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,080
go to cola.
It is your dog is a Chihuahua.

594
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,400
And so we're going to do one to
three little drops of the

595
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,080
extract and and then we're going
to do a quarter teaspoon of the

596
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:43,320
powder or the ground go to cola.
And that is the leaf because the

597
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,600
parts used are in there, the
ground leaf.

598
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,239
And I'm going to make a tea out
of it and put it on my dog's

599
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,159
food.
So because it's really good as a

600
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:55,000
tea and and I'm going to give it
to my dog for six to eight weeks

601
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,120
because how do I know that?
Because I have a guide on how

602
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,120
long to give herbs to your dog,
right?

603
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:03,400
To expect we want to move in the
right direction.

604
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,280
All of a sudden they're getting
there.

605
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,160
You know, they have more of a
mobility, they're not having as

606
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,560
much dementia, you know, Oh,
wow, that's a really good herb.

607
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,960
And then if you take them off
the herb and they start to

608
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,640
decline, that means you need to
put them back on the earth.

609
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,080
That's just a little, that's
just a little one, but you can

610
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,680
also look formulas that way and
you know, look at all the

611
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,520
formulas that you have.
And the thing with some people

612
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,800
get it.
Some, I think some companies get

613
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,800
a little intimidated by that
because they look they're

614
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,240
looking from a sales
perspective.

615
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,840
But it doesn't mean anything is
wrong with that product, right?

616
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,520
It just means that product is
not right for your individual

617
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,960
dog, right?
It's not about sales.

618
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,560
It's not about any of that.
It's about does that formula

619
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:00,160
have more cooling than warming
or more warming than cooling.

620
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:04,760
It might have a nice balance,
right, of cooling.

621
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,000
Let's just say it had like 3
cooling, 3 warming.

622
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,560
And I have lists upon lists in
the back about what's warming

623
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:16,480
and cooling.
And you know, it, it it's fine.

624
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,440
Your dog, your dog isn't super
sick.

625
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,960
You're doing it as support
perfectly fine.

626
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,400
But when you go to take them off
that formula, I've had people

627
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:30,520
take them off formulas and that
dog starts feeling better,

628
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,160
starts running around, starts
no, like not as much lethargy

629
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,200
because they're on an
inappropriate, energetically

630
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,560
inappropriate formula.
So you can look at formulas

631
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,480
different and if it's something
that you feel is really awesome

632
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,840
then you can give it a try.
But like I said, the more sick

633
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,920
your dog is, the more sensitive
they're going to be to

634
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,560
energetically inappropriate.
Herbs is it when you mentioned

635
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,560
Rita like 6 to 8 weeks and then
you stop giving the herb?

636
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,640
I don't think you said wean them
off, I think you said you stop.

637
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,760
But yeah.
And then if we start observing a

638
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:15,720
repetition of the same decline,
you start it again, so.

639
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,200
Yeah, and and you know, you can
let, I mean, depending on the

640
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,560
herb and I tell you in the book,
if, if it's not something that

641
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,360
can be give long term, you can
give some herbs long term.

642
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,040
And some herbs are not good for
long term.

643
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,840
But like if you if you're giving
a an herb for mobility or a

644
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,160
formula and you take them off
that formula and they start

645
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,600
going right downhill, you just
put them back on the formula.

646
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,560
The body wants it.
The body wants it right, right,

647
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,240
right.
The reason why you have to wean

648
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:49,160
things off like pharmaceuticals
is because pharmaceuticals are a

649
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,920
hammer.
They're forcing the body into

650
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,120
submission, right?
And you can't just RIP, you

651
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,320
know, you just can't like take
that away because the bounce

652
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,120
back can cause a lot of problems
and you know, sometimes you need

653
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,680
that submission.
You know, I'm not anti

654
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:09,200
pharmaceutical in any ways.
I think some pharmaceuticals can

655
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,600
be an an absolute awesome
bridge.

656
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,200
I will tell you an example that
I had this year.

657
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:19,600
I had a dog that was itching,
scratching, biting, licking fur

658
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,000
was almost gone, right.
And I mean, just terrible,

659
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,760
absolutely terrible.
And I said, you know, and the

660
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,400
people were upset as well.
They were just mentally unwell

661
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,520
about it.
OK.

662
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,440
So I said, you know what?
I want you to go get one side of

663
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,680
point injection.
OK, Just one.

664
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:39,520
Yeah.
And I said go get a side of

665
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,800
point injection.
I don't want you to get it until

666
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,840
we have him on at least six
weeks of herbs.

667
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,480
OK, you're going to have to.
And I gave him creams and sprays

668
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,000
just to to give some relief to
that poor puppy.

669
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,320
We did cite a point.
Everyone calm down.

670
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:57,320
And you know, getting people to
calm down is so important for

671
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,160
that dog to recover because they
they think like what what what

672
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,560
is happening?
Why this person smell like

673
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,920
stress all the time?
Then they're all stressed.

674
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,800
Dog calmed right down.
We got him past the 12 week

675
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,720
mark.
This was like, I think like in

676
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,000
January.
They are awesome.

677
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,960
All is well.
No more biting, licking,

678
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,600
scratching.
Hair has grown, grown back.

679
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,920
Never had another side of point.
We reconditioned and modulated

680
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,120
the immune system.
We were all perfect.

681
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,400
I only recommended the side of
point because everyone was a

682
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,920
mess, an absolute mess.
And that was a bridge for me.

683
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:41,160
Like that is a bridge.
I am not completely anti

684
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,520
pharmaceutical, but I do think
that one, you need to prepare

685
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,160
the body for that.
You need to prepare the body to

686
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,120
give it the tools in order to
deal with a drug like that.

687
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,480
That means you need to go, you
need to look at the side effects

688
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,640
of that drug.
OK, what are the side effects of

689
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,440
that drug?
What can we do to the body to

690
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,440
help it with that drug?
Just like a flea, Intycmid.

691
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,120
I'm not into those but every now
and then people get a flea

692
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,240
infestation they can't get rid
of.

693
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,920
OK, the person has fleas, the
dog has fleas.

694
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,440
We all have fleas.
What can we do?

695
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,200
A what's the least toxic out
there that can get this

696
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,080
situation under control?
But before we give that

697
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:25,800
medicine, what can we give
herbally to help the body have a

698
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,000
non reaction?
It's a poison, OK?

699
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,480
It's a nerve toxin.
There are many beautiful herbs

700
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,920
out there that can help with a
toxic nervous system like so how

701
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,520
can we protect?
Can we hug the nervous system

702
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,760
while the flea medicine is doing
their work and then get it out,

703
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,440
get it out.
Let's get those residues out and

704
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,960
keep the flea infestation from
happening again.

705
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,080
So like herbs can be used for
that purpose.

706
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,800
And in the book, I do cover
vaccines.

707
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,440
Like if you have to get a
vaccine, let's prepare the body

708
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,800
for the vaccine and let's work
later after the vaccine to get

709
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,640
it out, to get out all the
adjuncts and residues and all

710
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,160
those things.
Like, you know, some people have

711
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,600
a Rottweiler that has to get a
rabies vaccine Because if they

712
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:24,280
don't and they do something and
someone reports them, like they

713
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,720
charge at a person and all of a
sudden they're reported, right?

714
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,440
Because they're scary.
And they say, where's your

715
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,800
rabies vaccine?
And they don't have it.

716
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,400
That poor dog will get put down,
which is So what, you know.

717
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Breaks my heart.
So some of them have to get a

718
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,120
rabies vaccine.
Which giving an aggressively

719
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,440
prone dog a rabies vaccine.
To the oxymoron.

720
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,840
In my opinion is not a good
idea, but how do we keep it from

721
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,400
happening?
So with the rabies vaccine, with

722
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,880
an aggressive dog, we can give a
lot of nervous system protection

723
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,520
and work to get that out as soon
as possible and minimize the

724
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,960
damage that that vaccine can do.
So I cover that in here as well.

725
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,960
So, you know, sometimes
pharmaceuticals can be a bridge.

726
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,680
And then, you know, with
antibiotics, my opinion is don't

727
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,640
give them unless your dog is
going to die.

728
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,200
If your vet says your dog is
going to die unless they have

729
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,480
this antibiotic, then give the
antibiotic and we have to deal

730
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:31,560
with the fallout.
But for a paw pad, let's exhaust

731
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,080
all other options and the book
will give you some options.

732
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,640
Let's let's exhaust all other
options.

733
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:43,120
Let's reach out to another a
second opinion before we throw

734
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,440
antibiotics at it because a lot
of people don't realize that it

735
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,240
is antibiotic.
I, you know, if I had the choice

736
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:52,760
between a Cytopoint injection
and a round of antibiotics, I'm

737
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,560
going to choose Cytopoint every
day of the week, 365 days a

738
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,720
year.
And I don't like Cytopoint.

739
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,680
Yeah, so I would because I would
do the same because it's not

740
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,280
going to wipe out my entire
immune system in my gut.

741
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,960
And so, and I'm not a fan of any
of that.

742
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,000
No.
But I'm also I don't have rigid

743
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,520
thinking in that it's never
appropriate.

744
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,520
Sometimes acute medicine is
necessary and I like the

745
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,720
depiction that you are the
illustration you just shared

746
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:25,520
about you were preparing the
body and you were aiding the

747
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,920
body, you know, externally.
You were you were preparing it

748
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:33,040
internally and then you came in
with, OK, let's get one side of

749
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,240
point shot, just one and then
let's.

750
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:39,440
Continue then we got about 3
months to get this online, you

751
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,960
know, like and I'd much rather a
side of point shot than a round

752
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,280
of steroids.
So like it, you know, a round of

753
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,000
pred, you know, I much rather
what I read.

754
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,080
I'd rather Prednisone than
antibiotics any day of the week.

755
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,160
You know, there's there's a
hierarchy.

756
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,160
Antibiotics are my least
favorite thing.

757
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,800
But like, but they do save
lives.

758
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:02,040
They've saved my life.
So I can't say anything, but I

759
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,320
had literally once I learned I
had to deal with that, I'm still

760
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,160
dealing with it.
But they did save my life and

761
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:15,720
I'm happy to be here.
Affection is no fun, but you got

762
00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:19,000
to save it for the big guns.
Mine was a big gun, right?

763
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,480
It was you're going to die.
Oh, OK I'll take it.

764
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,800
Thank you.
Hope it works.

765
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:34,360
But yeah, but like 9.999% of the
time a dog is not going to die.

766
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,800
That's good, good information.
I can't wait to to read the

767
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,280
book.
I know, yeah, it's got allergies

768
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,440
going on.
Bless you.

769
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,800
Are you OK?
Yeah, I had to sneeze.

770
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,360
You need a side a point shot.
No, no, no, no, no.

771
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,920
Hey, but that's that.
That's what I'm talking about.

772
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,720
Like, yeah, yeah, she's
sneezing.

773
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,200
You know, let's go get her a
cited point shot, you know,

774
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,480
prescription.
Like, no, not unless it's it's

775
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,760
just, there's just no other way.
You got anything?

776
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,880
Just say today you're very
quiet.

777
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,280
Very quiet.
I'm I'm soaking it all up, but I

778
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,200
would love for you to tell our
listeners about the little,

779
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:14,120
little bonuses that you put in
your book about.

780
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,080
Cats.
I wish I could remember them.

781
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,520
But, well, just the fact that
you even include.

782
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,080
Tips.
I do, there is some cat bonuses

783
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,360
in here.
I would love to see a cat

784
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,600
herbal.
I've got some plans for that in

785
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,440
the future working with, you
know, a couple of people that

786
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:33,520
love cats possibly, but there's
some kitties in here.

787
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:38,080
So kitties are in my dosage
section I talk about kitties

788
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,920
being dosed as small dogs and
extra small dogs depending on

789
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,200
their weight, right?
Average cat usually weighs below

790
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,680
25 lbs, so that's well, yeah,
well, I've got a big one.

791
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,600
I've got A1 pounder and Oski is
already at 21 lbs.

792
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,320
He's a big boy.
And then Carl is, I think he's

793
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,040
11.
OK.

794
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,720
So what's that average?
Yeah.

795
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,440
An average Kitty and then in the
materia medica that means

796
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:12,320
materia medica means resume for
an herb in the urban plants and

797
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:19,520
fungi section you have to do the
I have and every herb I believe

798
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,760
hold on make sure that I do I
can put my money where here it.

799
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,000
Is use for.
Cats use for cats, yes.

800
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,800
Use for cats, no.
Yes, I have if kitties can use

801
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,200
it and if they cannot use it or
some of them I have use this,

802
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,200
use that or use this instead.
So yes, I mean, dogs and cats

803
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:46,000
are different species, but a lot
of herbal stuff does map over

804
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,000
onto kitties.
It's just, you know, one, it's a

805
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,160
little harder to get in.
Yeah, One, if you have a cat,

806
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:56,040
make sure you have a pillar.
I don't know if you know what a

807
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,240
pillar is, but it's this plastic
tube that you put a little pill

808
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:03,680
in the bottom and you put it in
your mouth and you go, my

809
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,280
partner is the best I've ever
seen at it.

810
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,800
It's amazing.
And then, you know, they do well

811
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:15,720
with like glycerin extracts.
They cats can have alcohol, but

812
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,320
like cat dose is going to be
less than three single drops of

813
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,560
any cat I've ever met.
So they're just good.

814
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,640
It's going to be really low.
And so they can have all of that

815
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,520
stuff.
It's kind of hard to get them to

816
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,160
eat a powder.
They are like, no, I'm not

817
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,760
eating that.
And so, you know, I just can't

818
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,680
get a pair of Kevlar gloves and
call it done.

819
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,840
My secret ingredient is baby
food or the the pureed.

820
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,080
Sure you know the.
Yep, you have the PA with that.

821
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,920
Yes.
Yeah, he gets with his love it.

822
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,080
Yeah.
Yeah, he loves it.

823
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:52,960
I can.
Hide.

824
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,600
I can hide herbal tinctures and
Gerber baby food meat purees.

825
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,120
I just want to say that Carl.
Pam.

826
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,400
Carl, who I rescued from Kerry.
Yeah.

827
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:11,240
We don't use the L we got.
And he will sit in my arms like

828
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,600
a baby.
And I just put it inside of his

829
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,280
mouth and he goes, yes, He never
tries to kill me.

830
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,280
My other cat, Bones, who has
since passed away, he would try

831
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,240
to kill me.
I always had to use oven mitts.

832
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,120
And I'd tell him, I'm like,
Bones, I love you, honey, I love

833
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:28,240
you.
And he'd be like, yeah,

834
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,840
whatever.
I'm onnie.

835
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,240
Yeah.
So.

836
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,280
So yes, kitties are covered.
I'm so excited for that.

837
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,840
That's awesome.
Yeah, I did not Kitty my Kitty.

838
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,160
Kitty brethren.
Yes.

839
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,560
We appreciate that very much.
I wanted to add because I heard

840
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,480
someone else recently tell me
when they're trying to give

841
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:59,000
herbs to their cats, they will
use ghee or like a melted ghee

842
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:03,040
underneath of their whatever
their raw food or their canned

843
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,400
food, whatever they're eating.
And apparently that works fairly

844
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,200
well.
Nice.

845
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,760
I don't know.
Yeah, my cats don't like it.

846
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,000
Hey Donna, my cats like butter,
but that would be another

847
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,000
option.
Just regular, you know, grass

848
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,080
fed butter.
Yeah, I'd say, you know, give

849
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,800
try, try whatever works with
cats.

850
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,800
Cats are, they're so they're
just, you know, they're just

851
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:27,440
different.
They are.

852
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,480
They're not small dogs.
No, they are not small dogs.

853
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,640
It's true they are not small
dogs, even though Oski's kind of

854
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,280
like a.
Dog, they're, they're wired more

855
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:44,840
for their survival instincts, I
think are just so much greater

856
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,520
than dogs.
They are, you know, they're very

857
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,640
protective.
Yeah.

858
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,080
They got big eyes.
They do.

859
00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:58,520
You're almost on the big eye.
What is that got to do with

860
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,280
herbs?
Doing OK?

861
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,920
Let's get back on crack.
Well, I think that you've

862
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,480
covered so, so much.
One of the things that I know I,

863
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,720
I didn't ask you the last time
we spoke and we haven't brought

864
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:18,840
up today is finding like high
quality herbs say like, even

865
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,880
though you say, OK, this herb,
you decide you, you look through

866
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,320
the book, you read through the
book, you're, you find an herb

867
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,600
that you're like, OK, I think I
want to try this for my pet.

868
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,360
Like what kind of
recommendations do you have for

869
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,160
sourcing if people can't grow
their own stuff?

870
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,120
I'm so.
Glad you asked that Jessica.

871
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:42,600
The book has a website called
The Herbal Dog and it, it has a

872
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,560
sourcing section which is going
to be growing and growing and

873
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,320
growing as as time goes on.
I have some sourcing in there,

874
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,200
but you just go to the website,
go under sourcing and there's

875
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,400
sourcing for Canada, the UK,
Australia and United States.

876
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:01,560
Nice, beautiful, very nice.
And do you think it could

877
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:06,880
possibly be safe for people to
start in their own herb cabinet

878
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,000
like whatever they have already
to is?

879
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,760
Is that safe to do?
Yeah, absolutely.

880
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,080
Yeah.
Start looking at what you got.

881
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,000
I've got more than you can ever
imagine.

882
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,760
I bet you do.
I am ready for the apocalypse if

883
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,280
it ever happens.
But does it rotate?

884
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:32,840
No, I don't have the rotating.
Plate.

885
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,840
I do have a Lazy Susan on my my
dining room table though.

886
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:41,680
I do have that so I could there.
We need to get together and play

887
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,160
some cards and have the Lazy
Susan rotational herbs.

888
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,880
It's just everyone loses.
Takes a head of the teacher.

889
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,120
Yes, I like it.
I like it.

890
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:54,880
OK.
I have one more question and I

891
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,720
don't think that recovered it,
but it does go back to some of

892
00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:00,800
the things that you were talking
about regarding, you know, when

893
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,280
a trip to the traditional
veterinarian may be necessary,

894
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,720
when a prescription or a cyto
point shot or whatever may be

895
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,840
necessary.
And this is a question that

896
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:13,360
personally I have, I always
second guess myself.

897
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:18,440
And this came up yesterday in
the store and I was talking with

898
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:23,440
a pet parent and the her
particular dog is 8 years old,

899
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:31,440
had liver failure over a year
ago and has since been on three

900
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:36,160
prescriptions and has never come
off of them.

901
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,360
And my same Aussie that I
mentioned earlier, 13 year old

902
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,240
Charlie, he went into liver
failure and was hours away from

903
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:48,440
dying at the age of 1 1/2.
And that's when I learned my

904
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,760
very first herb that I learned
about was milk Thistle to help

905
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,680
support the liver.
And you know, I didn't at the

906
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,720
time, I didn't jump in and start
studying about nutrition or

907
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:02,840
holistic anything at the time.
I just happened.

908
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,760
I don't know where I even heard
about milk Thistle to support

909
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:12,840
the liver, but this dog again, 3
/ a year three medication, she

910
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,920
said that they were about to get
ready to stop and they, she had

911
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,280
kind of relapsed and her liver
enzymes were elevated again.

912
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,360
And so they said do not come off
of the medication.

913
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,120
And so I was talking with her
and I said, well, what changed?

914
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,120
Because that just seems really
unusual that it would just spike

915
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,520
for no reason.
And she's like nothing.

916
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,280
And I asked this question all
the time and I said, did you

917
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,760
give flea, tick and heartworm
medicine?

918
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,480
And yes, yeah, yeah.
Your face.

919
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,080
If if our podcasts are you know
listeners, you know are.

920
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,160
Just yeah, that's pretty hard on
the liver.

921
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,000
So it's hard on the liver and
kidneys.

922
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,080
Yes, not.
Necessarily the depending on the

923
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,400
heart like it was just
ivermectin, it's Ivermectin is

924
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,560
pretty benign.
It's not that bad at all.

925
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:05,440
But if it was like trifecta or
something, that dog should not

926
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:09,520
not be on any of those with any
type of liver failure problems.

927
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,760
That's what I I said.
You know you're smart.

928
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,520
But you know, you should give
milk Thistle along with those.

929
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,120
I mean I would tell her I can't
tell someone to go off

930
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,360
pharmaceuticals but like if I
was a friend I would tell her

931
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:29,640
that and if she can't then give
milk Thistle 2 weeks before and

932
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,800
six weeks after.
Yes, So that's what my question

933
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,680
was, is about that interaction.
That's where I was leading is,

934
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,280
you know, OK, more than likely
that's flea, tick and heartworm

935
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,440
that trifects.
This medication is what spiked

936
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,520
those liver enzymes that she was
never told to stop using them,

937
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,600
although she had stopped and
then they came in on an auto

938
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,000
shipment that her husband, she's
not going to.

939
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,080
She's not.
Going to be told to stop.

940
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,760
No, she's not.
And so that's where we we tell

941
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,280
them to stop constantly.
And then I said, but and I was

942
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,720
talking to her about milk
Thistle and I said, but do your

943
00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:07,200
research.
And this is where I always

944
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:12,160
second guess that interaction
because I'm not trained in

945
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,040
pharmacy, I'm not trained
veterinarian.

946
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,560
But do I think logically plants
don't interact with medications?

947
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,400
But I also, I think, OK, I was
going to say, I think I've heard

948
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,520
you say before if this then
don't do that.

949
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,960
So can you talk about that for
us?

950
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,200
Yes, I mean, all, all Urbs could
enter, interact with certain

951
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,400
medications.
There's some medications that

952
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,360
work on the port, the four P-450
pathway like St.

953
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,840
John's, Wharton, some other ones
that you can't use with any

954
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,840
pharmaceuticals.
There's a few of them, a lot of

955
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,520
them, but I have that in the
book.

956
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:53,880
Never if they what, what types
of medicines that they interfere

957
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,520
with.
So yeah, you want to look at, if

958
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,640
your dog's on pharmaceuticals,
you definitely want to look at

959
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,400
that.
And you can, you can usually

960
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,480
find that out.
But I do cover it in my book and

961
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,200
I cover all, the, all the herbs
that I talked about in my book.

962
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,640
I I tell you if they what they
interfere with.

963
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:10,680
Excellent.
Thank you.

964
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,960
I wanted to be sure and cover
that and and again, when this

965
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,840
comes out, your book will have
been released so they can get it

966
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,000
at the Herbal dog.com.
They can get it anywhere they

967
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,440
buy a book.
OK.

968
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,360
It is not self published or
anything.

969
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,560
So it's published by my
publisher Inner Traditions in

970
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:32,880
Vermont and it's it's available
in Australia and the UK and

971
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,760
Canada and America and
everywhere.

972
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,000
Anywhere you buy books, you
you'll be able to get it at the

973
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,720
the herbal dog.com and my other
websites.

974
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,360
You will definitely be able to
buy it anywhere Your local

975
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,520
bookstore can order it for you.
If they don't have it, you can

976
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,400
encourage them to carry it.
I think you can.

977
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,320
Just come to.
Georgetown and do a book

978
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,840
signing.
Yes.

979
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,840
Georgetown.
Where's you mean in the DC?

980
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:58,160
Texas.
We're north of Austin.

981
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:01,240
We're Central Texas.
Would you like to?

982
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,400
Come.
How far is that from?

983
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:07,080
20 miles north.
Consider it done, ladies.

984
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,280
Come on.
Yes, Why don't you send me an

985
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,040
e-mail about that?
You can stay with me.

986
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,280
Yeah, consider it done.
Send me an e-mail.

987
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,240
We'll put it on the schedule.
Nice, and we can host it at my

988
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:24,920
store.
Yes, yes, yes, I have two.

989
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,560
Of them, OK.
I just have to.

990
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,080
I have to.
I remember when my sister, I was

991
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,440
in San Antonio and my sister's
air conditioner went out,

992
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:39,680
thought I was going to die.
I thought were I was in the car

993
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,680
with the air conditioning going,
how am I going to get home?

994
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,040
Our flight doesn't leave for a
week.

995
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,120
I'm going to die.
I've got it, you know, And I

996
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,680
didn't even think about going to
a hotel because I was young with

997
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,960
my family and I didn't have that
type of money.

998
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,440
And I was like, Oh my God, we're
going to die here.

999
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,360
Yeah.
Yep, you would have the last.

1000
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,720
Time I was in Texas, too.
I haven't been to Texas in a

1001
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,960
long time.
No, yeah.

1002
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:05,880
Yeah, consider it done.
We'll we'll make that happen.

1003
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,520
That'll be fun.
Jessica, you're still muted.

1004
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,680
Sorry I got your lips.
Oh my gosh, I.

1005
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,600
Know, I know there's just so
much background noise here.

1006
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:20,200
I'm sorry.
Yes, there there's a requirement

1007
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,120
if you live in Texas that you
you have to have air

1008
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:29,480
conditioning so hot in the
summer because it's unbearable.

1009
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,480
And of course, it's most likely
going to be in the summer, so

1010
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,640
send me an e-mail and we'll
figure that out.

1011
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,880
But if I can go to Super Zoo, I
can do this.

1012
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:41,960
You can do Texas.
You can for sure.

1013
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:46,640
Absolutely.
So OK, you are, you have the the

1014
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,000
book.
The book is, the book is now

1015
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,680
out.
You can get it anywhere you buy

1016
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:55,320
books, you're going on tour.
So check the herbal dog.com to

1017
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,720
see if Rita is coming anywhere
near you and make sure to get it

1018
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:02,080
to because I'm sure that if
tickets are involved, they will

1019
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:06,040
go very, very quickly.
Some events have tickets and

1020
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,480
usually it covers a book or and
if you you know, if you already

1021
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,800
have a book then you know you
can work it out with the store

1022
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,680
and then some events don't.
So it just depends on what does

1023
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,160
the host wants to do.
Yeah, yes.

1024
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,440
And then I know you have other
things going on.

1025
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,960
At the very beginning of this
episode, you mentioned a

1026
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,760
monograph that you did.
So can you tell us a little bit

1027
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,680
about the other offerings you
have?

1028
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,040
I can tell you what I got.
So I have a school.

1029
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,200
I just started a school.
It's called the Ethos School of

1030
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,800
Canine Herbalistic Canine
Herbalism, but it's at

1031
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,880
canineherbalism.com and you can
take single classes, you can

1032
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,840
study to become a canine
herbalist.

1033
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,920
You could do a lot of things
that's going to be growing and I

1034
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:50,880
because I have a lot of stuff
going on there.

1035
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:56,640
So canineherbalism.com and then
I have Canine herbalist.com.

1036
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:03,600
That's my store and consulting.
And then on my Canine Herbalism

1037
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:08,640
platform, I have a subscription
group for $15.00 a month where

1038
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,120
you can ask me any question you
want.

1039
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,880
It's the best way to get ahold
of me and it's super economical

1040
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:16,880
and it's like having an
herbalist on call.

1041
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,120
And then I have a monthly
monograph subscription service

1042
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:27,200
that's $12.00 a month, and each
month we deal with a different

1043
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,840
plant.
And that's just a way to support

1044
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,200
my work and get a lot of good
monographs for plants.

1045
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,000
So those are fun.
Remember, it's a resume of a

1046
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,440
plant, tells you all the stuff
you need to know to use it.

1047
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:44,880
And then I have dental health
class, I have a flea class, I

1048
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,760
have a phytoembryonic therapy
class, which is another story.

1049
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,800
And I have a level 1 herbalism
course too.

1050
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,520
And then I have a a podcast
that's free called Dogs or

1051
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,480
Individuals.
It's every week wherever you get

1052
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,760
podcasts.
I'm on socials at Canine

1053
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,360
Herbalist under Instagram and
Facebook.

1054
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,560
And I have a private Facebook
group and I'm going to have a

1055
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:11,920
book study group that's at the
herbal dog on Facebook.

1056
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:17,920
So that's a lot going on.
Yeah, it's a lot.

1057
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,600
And then you have to record the
audio version.

1058
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,080
Yes, Oh my God, yes.
We got invited to be on Audible,

1059
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,480
you know, like invited to the
Audible studios.

1060
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,640
So I'm excited about that.
I'm going to record my own book

1061
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,920
and then it will be on all the
book audio platforms.

1062
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,840
I'm excited about that.
I don't know when that's going

1063
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,480
to happen or how soon, but it
will happen this year.

1064
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,600
So we're very.
And when you run into Mel

1065
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,680
Robbins, she's going to love you
and bring you on her podcast.

1066
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,400
Right, we'll just like be in the
same city or something.

1067
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,400
Yes, yes.
Well, she is Miss Audible.

1068
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,240
I think so.
OK.

1069
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,360
Rita, one question just for our
listeners.

1070
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:00,080
You do consultations for cats
too, right?

1071
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:01,280
I do.
OK.

1072
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,520
I do.
I do do consultations for cats.

1073
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,520
OK, just wanted the people to
know.

1074
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,720
Yeah, yeah, awesome.
So awesome.

1075
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:17,040
Well, Rita, I can't thank you
enough for coming on, sharing

1076
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,400
your knowledge for everything,
all of your hard work, sweat,

1077
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,120
blood, sweat, tears that I know
went into this book and

1078
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:28,160
everything else that you do.
And I just want to say thank you

1079
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,120
again for being here with all of
us.

1080
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,920
You are welcome.
Thank you, pet Health Jumpies.

1081
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,680
Thank you.
All right, guys, we'll talk to

1082
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,760
you next time.
OK, bye, bye.