188. What's REALLY In Your Pets Food with Raw Paw Adventures

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But we're talking about what's
really in your pets food today.

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And Cara with Raw Paw Adventures
is joining me.

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So I'm just going to get us
started.

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Thank you so much for letting me
know.

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You can hear me.
So Consumer Reports just

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recently their first ever report
on dog food nutrition.

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They tested 58 different foods
for protein, fat, vitamin D,

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copper and fiber, some of which
is listed on the bag.

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So they would like the protein,
the fat, the fiber they were

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comparing to make sure like what
was in the food matched what was

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in the bag.
And there's so there's there's a

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lot.
This was their first ever report

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on dog food as far as like the
nutrition doing testing on

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nutrition of dog food.
And yeah, So what are your, what

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are your first thought?
I thought it would just be a

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good like jumping off point to
talk about what's in what do, do

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we even actually know what's in
our dog's food?

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And I think a lot of times we
don't.

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I think the answer is no, and I
think that their answer also was

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no once they were done with
their testing.

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I think my overall take away
from this article was that and

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I, I if you guys saw I had
posted, I made a reel on my page

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like last week or something like
that because they made a there

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were some news reports.
Is that the word that I'm

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looking for?
Some news reports, some news

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articles, I don't know Anyways,
where they were, they kind of

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like took their information from
the written article and they put

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it on the news.
So I made a little like a little

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blurb of that video, but I think
the answer is that you're not

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always going to know what's in
your pet food, which is kind of

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scary.
There's a much higher likelihood

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that you're going to know what's
in it if it's actually human

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grade food, right?
Food grade food, not feed grade

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food.
And that that will always be the

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case across the board.
But what they tested I think are

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important components and they
did a pretty good job of

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breaking things down.
There were some things I agreed

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with.
There were some things I

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disagreed with.
There were some statements that

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they made that I think would be
good to unpack, but it was a

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pretty in depth article.
It wasn't insanely long,

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although I have to admit because
I didn't have a login for this,

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it didn't let me go past the
toward when you were getting to

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the end where they had the
chart.

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Oh my gosh.
You should have said something

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to me because I had it.
Oh no.

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Well, you can talk about that.
OK, well, I actually, they

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emailed me and so I emailed them
back because I had questions and

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then I couldn't see it.
So they sent me like how to log

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in and get it for for press to
see what was on the on the

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bottom, which I mean, it's just
the numbers for everything that

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they talked about.
So it's not not a whole lot more

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than what you would get if you
just read the article, which

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when I, I, I mean, I can post
the link to, to the article in

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my stories when we're done with
this, but.

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For.
Sure.

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So I mean, I think it's AI think
it's a good.

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I'm glad they did it in so far
as like it's bringing even more

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awareness to people about not
really knowing what's in their

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pets food.
And I think that, you know, so

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many people just kind of walk
for so many different things,

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but you know, our our focus
really is on pet food.

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They just kind of walk through
life with like, well, this is

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the food my vet recommends, and
so this is what I'm going to

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feed.
When in reality, we all have

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those stories about not all, but
most veterinarians just don't,

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you know, nutrition is an area
where they just don't have

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education.
And it would be nice if they

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did.
They just, but they don't.

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And one of the things that I,
this is like a tangent, I'm

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going to go on for a second, but
one of the things that I find

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really, really interesting and
it, it was recently brought up

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again because I was interviewing
Dr. PJ Broadfoot and her whole

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family are like human medical
doctors.

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And so when she decided to
become a veterinarian, they were

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like, Oh my God, why would you
do that, right?

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And it reminded me about how
humans, people that go through,

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and you can attest to this
because you've been through

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human medical training a lot.
You're learning one species, but

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when you're going to veterinary
school, you're having to learn

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everything for a plethora of
species.

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So it's like, I feel like it is
so much more and like human

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medicine doctors kind of look
down on veterinarians, and I

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feel like it should almost be
the other way around.

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Like, I know, I know so many, so
much, right?

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But across the board, it doesn't
matter if you're a conventional

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veterinarian, a medical doctor,
a doctor, osteopathy, a nurse

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practitioner, physician
assistant.

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We get minimal nutrition
education in school.

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Minimal.
Yeah, well, and that is the

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reality.
And I say, you know, my story

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all the time is that I started
feeding some fresh food to my

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animals.
I knew that it wasn't balanced.

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So I was still feeding kibble.
And I went to my vet and I said,

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I don't want to feed kibble
anymore.

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Can you help me?
And he said, I don't know, maybe

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add tomatoes.
And that literally blew up my

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whole world.
Like I, I spent my whole life

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thinking like doing every single
thing that my vet told me to do

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because I trusted them
implicitly.

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And that that one statement like
literally blew up my whole world

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and everything I thought I knew,
everything that I trusted my

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veterinarians to know.
And so I think with this kind of

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research does not that I'm the
biggest fan.

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I think Consumer Reports does a
decent job of like trying to

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just put factual information out
into the world for people to

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make better decisions on
purchases, regardless of what

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that is, If it's an automobile
or an air conditioner or

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whatever.
And now they're getting into pet

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food as well, which makes sense
because it's a multi billion

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dollar a year industry.
I'm so kind of surprised they

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waited this long to do it.
Yeah.

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So yeah, I don't want to
overtake the conversation, but

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what?
But you're right, you're right.

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It's it's in, in so far as
getting people to start thinking

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about what they're actually
feeding.

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Because I think so often I, I
don't know about you, but I hear

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people just kind of one off
whether I'm like just

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overhearing people talking or
seeing people on social media,

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which doesn't happen as much
anymore because I deleted

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Facebook.
But they've like most people

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implicitly trust Purina
specifically.

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They have done such a good job
of marketing.

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And what I found, one of the
most interesting things I found,

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it wasn't a Purina, it was
pedigree, but their vitamin D

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levels were.
Toxic five times the upper

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acceptable limit for AFCO.
So AFCO recommends 500 to 3000.

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I us is what they said in there
and what the one by pedigree had

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14,500 and their only response
to that was our food is safe.

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That was their response.
Like, yeah.

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That's not even a.
Well, that's actually what I

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emailed Consumer Reports back
about because, and maybe I

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misunderstood the article, but
as I was reading through it,

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they, they contacted the FDA on
something else, what we can talk

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about in a little bit, But I
didn't get the, I didn't get the

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feeling that they contacted the
FDA about these vitamin D levels

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when I was reading the article.
So I, that's what I replied to

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them and I was like, WTF, Like
what you contacted the FDA about

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whatever or it's going to cause
some minor illness maybe, but

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this, these levels of vitamin D
can cause serious harm and death

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in a lot of animals.
And you didn't contact the FDA

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about that.
And they replied and said that

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they did contact the FDA, which
I personally think they should

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be a little bit more forthright.
Yeah, with, with that

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information in the article,
because to me.

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And the other thing that they
contacted the FDA about was

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finding some listeria.
I believe in two raw food

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products.
And I, I'm like, are you out of

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it?
But the, to me, the way that

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reads to a consumer who doesn't
know anything about anything is

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that, Oh my God, they had to
contact the FDA because listeria

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is so horrible.
Yet I guess the vitamin D isn't

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that bad because they're not
contacting the FDA about it.

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And I'm like, no, he's like
completely the opposite.

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I could.
See how reading that somebody

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could be like, oh, there was
extra vitamin D in here.

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I don't know, maybe that's good
for my dog.

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I'm efficient in vitamin D,
right?

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Like unless you spell out, hey,
five times the upper acceptable

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limit is actually dangerous.
People don't realize that.

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And one of the things that they
say right at the beginning of

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the article, which I completely
agree with, is that most pet

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parents don't know how to read
dog food packages.

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That's true.
Before I learned how to do all

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this and I became a
nutritionist, I remember, I

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distinctly remember my dog, I
determined through trial and

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error that he had a chicken
allergy because he was having

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diarrhea all the time.
So smart little consumer.

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So I took myself off to PetSmart
and I went through the aisles

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and I went over to the Purina
section where they had golden

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retrievers on the bags because I
had a golden retriever.

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And I said, all right, well, I
need a novel protein, so I'm

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going to grab lamb and rice
instead of chicken and rice.

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Well, if I would have done more
than just look at the front of

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the bag, which had cutlets of
meat and, you know, tomatoes and

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vegetables on it and flipped it
over and looked halfway down the

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ingredient list, I would have
seen that that lamb and rice was

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still sprayed with chicken fat.
So there's no, you know,

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there's, there's no, you can't
just look at the pretty picture

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and take it home.
And that's true for people food

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too.
And I hate even calling it like

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human food because really it
should just be there's human

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grade food and there's feed
grade food.

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So there's real food and there's
crap.

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But you know, if you're at the
grocery store for yourself, it's

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the same thing.
You can't just look at the

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pretty picture on the cover.
It's very deceiving.

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Yeah, that actually, I don't
know why I hadn't thought of

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this before, but because
there's, there is a push and I,

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I, I think it's too small of a
push at this point, But I know

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Susan Thixon has been working on
this tirelessly to get the FDA

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in pet food specifically to
distinguish to, to require the

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packaging to either say feed her
food depending on the grade.

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But I kind of, I like, I, I feel
like we should do that with

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human food too, like.
There's so much that we need to

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do with human food.
Yeah, but you know it.

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They're they even are giving
them like six years to convert

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to writing the carbohydrate
content on the bags, Right.

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So.
They were until ASCO Until they,

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they didn't renew the MOU the,
the and so I think from that

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they said they bumped it up to
like 18 months, which which was

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just last the end of last
summer.

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I think that that happened.
So it should happen a lot

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quicker though.
Who the heck knows right now,

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right?
I, I, I don't know, but the

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other thing sticking on the
vitamin D is that there was a

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Stella and Chewy's product that
had way less vitamin D then,

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well, not way less, but less
than the minimum requirement for

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AFCO.
So it it went in both directions

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with vitamin D and.
One thing to remember too is you

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can have degradation of vitamins
and minerals and things that are

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synthetic and in real food if it
sits for a long time or if it's

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processed or if it's exposed to
air.

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So I'm not entirely surprised to
see that some that something had

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a somewhat lower level.
I think their level was 250 and

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the low accepted minimum is 500.
So, you know, it's, I mean, it's

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significant, but I could see why
that might push some companies

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even to put more because maybe
they think it's going to

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degrade.
I don't know if it seems like

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there must be a better way to do
this, like feeding real food.

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Yeah, right.
I know well and I, I think what

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concerns me the most about
Pedigree specifically having the

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five times the maximum allowable
is that we have seen so many

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times in the past these huge,
huge calls from what ultimately

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winds up being what we find out
to be the that they're not

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testing the premix, the vitamin
and mineral premix pack that

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they're getting prior to using
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food before it leaves the

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facility, which they are
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instances they're supposed to be
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But also, and I don't know how
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like in the past handful of
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I don't know what the deal is
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we talk a lot about how we feel
like they target raw food

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companies, but the recalls on
kibble have been significantly

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less.
And Susan Thicke and has kind of

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talked about this, but that
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it's not just, oh, let's attack
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It's like favoritism to
companies that are not, do not

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have the best interest of your,
your pets and in mind.

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And when I say raw food
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always important to remember
that just because it's a raw

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food doesn't mean it's an
exceptional product.

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The companies that Cara and I
recommend, I feel like are

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exceptional products, but you
still have to do your research

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even with a raw food company,
because there are raw foods out

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there that still use and and
fresh foods that you get in the

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refrigerated section that use
vitamin and mineral pre mixes

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that are.
So that's still an issue.

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You still have to be careful,
but I think I don't.

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Would you like to talk more
about what people should be

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looking for or I don't know.
Yeah, yeah.

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No, let's do that.
So, so a couple of things that

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stand stand out to me with this
too that they said that.

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And again, these are things I
agree with is that not all the

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are created equal.
So that kind of piggybacks off

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of what you just said, right?
Sure.

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It could be a fresh food like
some of the ones that have have

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been advertised on the Super
Bowl commercials and they're all

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over television.
We can think of what those are

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now, right?
You can go to your local grocery

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store and they're in the
refrigerated section and they

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might even say the word fresh on
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That does not mean that it's
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So knowing where it's coming
from is very important.

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And you can do a quick Google
search or open up ChatGPT and

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say who it is so and so owned
by.

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And if it comes up that they're
owned by Mars or Colgate

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Palmolive or you know, then
that's I put it back, put it

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back.
But if it's a small independent

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company that is doing their
damnedest to bring you the best

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possible food on the market
because they're actually

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invested and they care about
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And most of the time it's
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their own pet that spurred them
into action, into creating

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something because there was a
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So those are the companies that
you want to buy from, the ones

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that own themselves.
And then you want to be looking

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for things like human grade
organic, if you can find it, you

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know, looking at, do they say
the carbohydrate content?

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Some of them do something that's
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think does get overlooked if
this isn't really the focus of

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this conversation.
But carbohydrate has started to

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get a really bad rap.
Carbs don't mean starch and

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calories.
Carbs can mean fiber.

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Broccoli is a carb, spinach is a
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But also so are white potatoes.
So knowing the carbohydrates

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that are in there is actually
more important than knowing the

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total carbohydrate contents, in
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So it's, it can take a lot.
Another great thing to look out

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for are people like Jessica and
I so that you can read our blogs

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and listen to us talk and we'll,
we can help break this stuff

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down for you, You know, So,
yeah, it's hard.

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It's hard.
But yeah, packaging can't rely

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on just the packaging.
You can't rely on just the name

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of the brand.
Look and see who owns that brand

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and know what is species
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you know what a dog and cat
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They're carnivores.
Obligate versus fact, we can

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have that argument another day.
But at the end of the day, they

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have pointed canines, They don't
have any flat molars.

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They are carnivores and they
should be eating mostly meat and

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protein with a little bit of
carbs.

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And that's the best way to
determine what's in your pet's

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food is is it species
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Yeah, yeah.
Well, and I think a couple of

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years ago, I started trying to
just switch what I was saying

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away from just carbs and
carbohydrates to starchy carbs

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and carbohydrates.
Trying to still keep it

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simplified for people but
switching their mindset a little

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bit because I mostly am talking
about like grains and legumes

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and things like that's what I
really more often than not don't

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want to be feeding a dog and
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Though I will say I posted in my
stories the other night, my cat

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Sissy has not been feeling well
the past couple of days and not

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eating much.
And so I just cooked some

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chicken breast in like salt and
pepper, garlic powder, olive

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oil, like there wasn't anything
else on it and a sweet potato

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with a bunch of butter.
And she like ate 1/3 of my

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chicken breast off of my plate.
And then she went for the sweet

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potato and I'm like, what are
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But I'm like, whatever, you see
the sleep.

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I think she was going for the
butter, but.

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Probably, but I mean there's a
line right between what am I

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trying to feed my very healthy
animal who has a great appetite

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but I'm trying to keep healthy
and I have a friend who's not

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really feeling great and I am
desperate to get anything

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possible into their.
Stomach, let me tell you, I'm in

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desperation mode at the moment
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But yeah, I mean, I say that to
say that I'm not 100% strict on

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anything either.
Like, yes, my cat is an

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obligate.
Yeah, my cat is an obligate

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carnivore.
But there are times when eat

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what you're going to eat.
Honey, I'm.

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Going to make a teacher out of
that that just says let him eat

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the sweet potatoes.
You're around Super Zoo and

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you'll see.
Me do you like but.

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But I do agree, I do agree with
you what you said about the

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recalls because something that
really scares me is this exact

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time one year ago, we all knew
that there was some craziness

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going on.
And we all sat here with bated

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breath waiting for a recall,
begging for a recall.

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Multiple states, countless pet
advocates begged our governing

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bodies to do something because
we saw thousands of animals

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dying and we thought we knew
where it was coming from.

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But doors were closed in
everyone's faces.

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Certain vets that we know spent
thousands upon thousands of out

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of pocket dollars to do
independent testing and they

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just couldn't get what they
find, what they were looking

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for.
And the problem is it could be

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any number of things causing
problems.

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And you don't have infinite
resources to test 1000 different

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things.
You could be testing for alpha

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toxins, you could be testing for
heavy metals, for vitamin

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toxicity, mineral toxicity, you
know, poisons, rat poison, I

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mean, so many things, right?
And, and one person cannot

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possibly pay out of pocket to
test all of those things.

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And when you don't get help from
the agencies that you're

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supposed to trust with your
pet's health, then where are you

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supposed to turn?
And I think the answer is to the

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people that are sitting here
screaming louder, advocate for

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me and recall never came.
It makes me so angry because we

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know that something went wrong,
we know that it happened, but

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there will never be official
documentation of it.

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And the fact that things like
that seem to be slipping through

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the cracks.
But then you have the Oregon

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State Department of Health
breaking protocol and testing an

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open package for something blows
my mind.

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And if that doesn't sound like
bullying the fresh food

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industry, I don't know what the
F does.

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Well, like I said, it's, it's
double, it's it's twofold,

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right?
Because you've got the bullying

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and I, you know, is it a bigger,
you know, a bigger picture issue

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that they want people to be
scared of HPAI more than

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necessary?
I think so.

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Especially it was like my, my
sister, my sister-in-law came in

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the other day and she was like,
OK, why are my egg prices so

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high?
And I'm like, let me tell you

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why, because we are killing
millions of healthy birds.

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That is why.
So it, it's, it's absolutely

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insane.
But also the favoritism with

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companies that obviously have
issues that just because they're

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a huge brand name that has been
around forever, that fund every

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freaking thing there is to fund,
you know, they get the

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favoritism just like you were
talking about with the the brand

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this time last year.
It, you know, even if even

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though we couldn't, and I say we
because I, you know, I, I was

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helping to, we couldn't pinpoint
exactly what was wrong.

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The fact that so many reports
made their way to the FDA for

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sick and dead pets, that alone
we we shouldn't have to prove

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what's wrong for the FDA to look
at the numbers and say we need

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to investigate.
And that that is the corruption

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that bothers me.
And that is the same corruption

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that ultimately is responsible
for the pet food labels, which

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is where we started with.
Yeah.

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Which is very right, Yeah.
But in the end, this kind of

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round Robin framework is my
biggest fear is that it's not

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that raw food will go away.
It's it won't.

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We're here to stay.
My fear is that they're going to

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start bullying these companies
to the point where they are

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backed into a corner and then
they all have to turn to things

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that I personally am not really
looking for in a pet food.

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I don't want to feed HPPI agree
it's a better alternative to

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kibble, but that's not what I
want to give to my pets.

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I like completely raw food.
I also some companies are are

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starting to put probiotics in
their food to out compete

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potential pathogenic bacteria.
What's the downstream effect of

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that?
Because we should not be giving

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the same couple strains of
probiotics every single day in

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every single food for the rest
of our lives.

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That can cause dysbiosis.
But we don't know are those

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bacteria surviving to the time
when the food is fed?

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Are they surviving the acidic
environment of the gut?

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Are they out competing and
killing each other?

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We don't know right?
There's no long term study but

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but because of the harshness of
the testing and really kind of

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coming down on us, I think it's
making people rush and making

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people take drastic measures and
that makes me more worried than

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anything else.
Yeah, well, and no, I agree with

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you.
I think you're right that raw

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food isn't going anywhere.
In fact, Colgate Palmolive,

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which is Hills, just last week
purchased a raw food company in

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Australia.
Granted, it's one of those raw

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food companies.
I looked at it that uses appear.

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It's, it's enough synthetic
vitamins and minerals that it

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appears that it could be a
premix.

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Because you know, you can look,
well, you and I can look at a

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pet food label and see like two
or three or four synthetics and

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we're like, OK, we know that's
not a premix.

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But then you see this paragraph
and you're like, obviously

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that's a premix.
So this one to me, it looks like

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it was probably a premix.
So still in line with how they

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produce pet food, but it is a
raw food that that they bought.

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So it is definitely something
that they it's not going

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anywhere and they are showing us
that it's not going anywhere by

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buying into it, which is also an
interesting.

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Like I'm going to be really
interested to see how they

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change over the years, how
they're teaching veterinarians

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because, you know, there are so
many veterinarians right now

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that are absolutely, 100% don't
you ever dare feed a raw food to

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your pet because that's what
they've been taught by these

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huge kibble companies.
And now if they're going to

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start making raw foods, like
what?

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What are they going to tell the
veterinarians to say then?

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I'm curious.
Yeah.

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But so yeah, for for me, when
I'm looking at a food, the first

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thing I'm looking at is the is
going to be the moisture

448
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,960
content.
That's the very first thing that

449
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,480
I want to teach somebody about.
Because when you're feeding a

450
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,240
dry shelf stable food, and
granted there are freeze dried

451
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,240
raws like that, that exists in a
category of food itself.

452
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:27,400
Even even that I would rather
you feed dry than feed a dry

453
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,480
kibble, but still, I don't want
you feeding that dry.

454
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,280
That's like so across the board,
I want to talk about moisture

455
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,520
first and foremost.
I think that is probably one of

456
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,960
the very first things that we
need to get people's mind

457
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:48,000
shifted around because if we can
do that, then they realize that

458
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,320
anything dry is not ideal to
feed our pets.

459
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,880
So that's my very first thing,
the moisture content.

460
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,280
I agree.
I agree.

461
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,680
That's probably the most, one of
the most important things.

462
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,600
And to be honest, when I talk to
pet parents about macro

463
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,960
nutrients, I, I include water in
my conversation because although

464
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,200
it's not providing you calories,
it is in my mind macro as in one

465
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,640
of the main parts of the diet is
going to be moisture and

466
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,240
hydration.
So I love that you put that

467
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,480
right up on top.
That's awesome.

468
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,040
Yeah.
I mean if we can even adding

469
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,080
liquid to kibble.
So adding liquid to a freeze

470
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,720
dried raw food is very different
than adding liquid to a kibble

471
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,560
because of a freeze dried raw
food is designed to reabsorb

472
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,600
that moisture and then by the
time you're feeding it, it is

473
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,920
closer to if you were actually
feeding a raw food that wasn't

474
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,680
processed.
Additionally, in in freeze

475
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:54,640
drying kibble, many kibbles,
they are not going to absorb

476
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,960
that absorb that moisture.
So you have a texture issue

477
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,560
that's going to not for all
dogs, but for some dogs, they're

478
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,320
not going to like it.
They may not eat it that way, or

479
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,800
they may eat the food and leave
a lot of the liquid, but you

480
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:16,360
literally cannot add enough
liquid to it to satiate the

481
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,840
organs and in the digestion
process.

482
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,800
So we're we're keeping our pets
in this like chronic state of

483
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,200
dehydration, which is bad for
everything.

484
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,640
Like literally any.
Yeah, any function of the body

485
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,960
is going to be affected by
dehydration.

486
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,400
But then what you were saying,
like I, I don't hang my hat on

487
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,200
human grade ingredients when I'm
looking at a food.

488
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,920
Is it wonderful to have human
grade ingredients?

489
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,920
Yes, but I think or like a human
grade food all around to be able

490
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,920
to have that label of human
grade.

491
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,760
I think there are some fresh
food companies that don't have

492
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,040
that designation for like maybe
one or two ingredients and

493
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:08,840
overall the formula is still
preferable for me than than

494
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,480
other foods on the market.
So I don't hang my hat on that.

495
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:18,000
But I do think it's a good, good
things to be looking at,

496
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,080
especially I know there are
nutritionists out there who

497
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,520
like, if it's not a human grade
food, they don't recommend it.

498
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,680
That's just not me, not me.
But I think, you know, when

499
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,160
you're doing a DIY, that's not
you either because that even

500
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,120
though you're technically buying
human grade ingredients from a

501
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,720
lot of places, the fact that
they're being fed raw kind of

502
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,840
makes them not, not quote UN
quote, human grade anymore.

503
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,400
Because there is when you buy at
the grocery store, it's like in

504
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,360
meats, right?
There's a certain level of

505
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,720
pathogenic bacteria that's
allowed in them because they

506
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,440
expect humans to be cooking it
before they're eating it.

507
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,280
So technically, I don't think
that's would be considered human

508
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,160
grade anymore.
But that's my brain going in a

509
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:13,240
million direction.
And acceptable levels of things

510
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,400
bother me because I don't I
don't love.

511
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,160
So that kind of ties into an
example that we didn't talk

512
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,000
about yet that was in the
article was the aflatoxins.

513
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,880
So they mentioned in the article
that there was one product that

514
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,760
had tested positive for
aflatoxins, which are mold

515
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,600
toxins.
And this food had 1.5 parts per

516
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,400
million or like 1.8 parts per
million.

517
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,320
And apparently the acceptable
maximum amount of alpha toxins

518
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,160
is 20 parts per million.
And so it's so low that the FDA

519
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,120
would not have intervened.
And the company that they found

520
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,520
these toxins in was not
mentioned.

521
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,560
I couldn't find the food unless
it was below in the chart that I

522
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,760
couldn't view it's.
Not.

523
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,320
So that made me mad too.
But the fact that we even have

524
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,920
allowable levels of things that
are truly dangerous bothers me.

525
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,880
You know, apple toxins, mold is
mold will kill you.

526
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,560
Mold will cause chronic
respiratory issues.

527
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,000
I mean, it can even cause
dementia.

528
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,840
It can cause autoimmune disease.
Mold is bad.

529
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,320
You don't want mold.
You know others that like,

530
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,480
right?
There's acceptable levels of

531
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,560
lead for water out of your
faucet.

532
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,440
Why fluoride?
Why?

533
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,680
Like, why does this exist, you
know, but in other

534
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,920
circumstances, I understand why
you can't have an all or nothing

535
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,480
mentality.
And, and organisms are one of

536
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,200
those things, right?
So some bacteria, some viruses,

537
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,240
some parasites, some, you know,
maybe we don't want any amoebas

538
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,400
floating around.
But but you can't, I do

539
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,920
understand why there could be
acceptable levels of that in

540
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,640
certain aspects for people
because we're going to cook it.

541
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,680
But for pets, because they do
have their innate kind of

542
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,640
defenses against, and cats and
dogs have innate defenses

543
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,000
against these bacteria.
If you have a high pathogenic

544
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,719
load, sure, that's not great.
We don't want that.

545
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,760
But they should be able to
tolerate some low levels of

546
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,560
bacteria Because remember, our
mouth is full of bacteria.

547
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,280
It's also full of lysosomes that
kind of cleave through cell

548
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,040
walls.
The stomach is acidic.

549
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,400
The intestines are short.
You have your own microbiome.

550
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,320
So you have a lot of things that
are going to protect you.

551
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,320
And when I keep saying you, I
mean our pets.

552
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,639
But as a human, I probably would
not want to go like a raw piece

553
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,040
of chicken from the grocery
store.

554
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,239
I don't want to do that.
No, I definitely don't want to

555
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,480
do that.
I mean, I think, you know, it

556
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,320
would.
It would really, it really would

557
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:49,760
be nice to live in a world where
there are certain things that we

558
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,560
could guarantee we're not in our
food, like Afrotoxins, I'm sure.

559
00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:02,040
But do I, do I think that we
should live in a world where we

560
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,520
can guarantee everything is
completely sanitary?

561
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:09,040
Like, no.
We have to have something to

562
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:14,000
test, start to keep our immune
system functioning and working.

563
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,120
We have to have these
challenges.

564
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,720
So do our pets.
We have to be challenged.

565
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:27,840
But I do think that a lot of
these allowed limits are because

566
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:35,200
of lobbying by companies who
either couldn't figure out how

567
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,320
to not have these horrible
things in the food or didn't

568
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,880
want to spend the money to do it
or or or or or like, there's so

569
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,080
many things.
I do think that's why we have a

570
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:53,000
lot of these allowable limits.
I hate lobbyists so much.

571
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,920
So I would love to talk about a
couple of other things that were

572
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,840
in this article that I staunchly
disagree with.

573
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:09,360
Go for it.
So the first one is that, and

574
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,840
Sandra Fay said this, the
president of the AVNA, they

575
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,360
quoted her that you should
always talk to your vet about

576
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,400
what food to feed and use feeds
that are used that are meeting

577
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,600
AFCO guidelines.
I don't like that.

578
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,120
I don't like AFCO, I don't like
their guidelines, I don't like

579
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,040
their lack of transparency, I
don't like that they are

580
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,280
essentially here to create food
and edible product out of the

581
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,480
human waste industry and that
they don't actually, at their

582
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,520
core, care about the well-being
of our pets.

583
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,720
What are your thoughts?
I 100% agree with that.

584
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,600
I think as much as I don't like
AFCO, it's all we have at the

585
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,680
moment.
The alternative could be even

586
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,160
scarier.
Yes, the alternative alternative

587
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,040
could be that these pet food
companies are putting out

588
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,840
whatever the heck they want and
killing animals left and right.

589
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,720
So in that regard, I understand
and I do.

590
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:18,600
I will say it, when I work with
a client, I feel them out first

591
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:24,120
to see if I feel like they can
handle me telling them that we

592
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,400
don't have to feed according to
ACO requirements.

593
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,360
If I feel like they can handle
that, then I have the

594
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,320
conversation with them about it.
And I have the conversation with

595
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:43,920
them around how we can still
feed a really well-rounded diet

596
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:49,080
to our dogs through rotation
and, you know, if they're

597
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,160
comfortable, you know, and so I
kind of try to talk them through

598
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,520
that.
But everybody.

599
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:03,800
And look, she's president of the
Veterinary Medical Association.

600
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,240
So of course she's going to say
talk to your veterinarian.

601
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:13,760
That alone is one of my biggest
pet peeves that I still, I will

602
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:21,000
be honest, like I still don't
100% know how I want to address

603
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,600
that on social media to the
public.

604
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:30,000
I think about it literally every
day because so many of us and so

605
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,480
many people on social media,
their only comeback is, but my

606
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,240
vet said, or you're not a
veterinarian.

607
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,880
And the reality is I'm glad I'm
not a veterinarian.

608
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,600
I'm glad I didn't go through
that indoctrination process

609
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,520
because I may not be where I am
today.

610
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,120
If I did go through that
indoctrination process, I can

611
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:57,280
appreciate, and I do appreciate
very much the education that a

612
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:03,200
veterinarian has received, their
wealth of knowledge in the

613
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:09,200
biology, the Physiology of my
pets, where they can help me if,

614
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,880
heaven forbid, my dog gets hit
by a car or my cat breaks its

615
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,560
leg or like there are so many
emergency situations, acute

616
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,720
issues that, yeah, I want their
help with because that's what

617
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:26,360
they are really, really, really
good at.

618
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,080
And I appreciate them for that
so much.

619
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,560
But it's kind of in their
nature.

620
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,680
And I've talked to so many
veterinarians about this.

621
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,120
They are pushed so hard in vet
school to be competitive with

622
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,360
one another that they are
competitive with the world.

623
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,240
And they are.
Most of them, not all of them,

624
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:54,680
are so competitive with the
world that they aren't.

625
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,600
They're not even willing to
admit where they don't know

626
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,240
something.
And maybe that is because they

627
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:07,600
feel like they do based on their
pharmaceutical Rep and their big

628
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,400
pet food Rep coming into the
office and telling them XYZ.

629
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,480
Maybe they feel that they know
what they need to know.

630
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:22,000
I think when pressed, a lot of
them might have to admit that

631
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,840
they don't know about nutrition,
that they don't know about so

632
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,920
many other modalities outside
of.

633
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,600
Just pharmaceuticals, like we
don't need to give our pets

634
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,080
petroleum for everything.
Well, and there's nothing more

635
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:44,240
humbling yet more inspiring than
hearing a professional say, I'm

636
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,560
not sure.
Let me find out for you.

637
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,360
Yeah, Yeah.
I'm sorry.

638
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,360
I'm not the, I'm not the robot
from Hitchhiker's Guide to the

639
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,160
Galaxy that was programmed to
know everything.

640
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,000
I am not ChatGPT.
I am not an AI bot.

641
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:05,640
I can't tell you everything like
I I've got to go figure it out.

642
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,440
You can, you can catch me
totally off guard.

643
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,800
I'm going to go.
Oh, never thought about that

644
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,040
before.
Let me look into that for you.

645
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,560
That's how you collaborate with
someone and that's how you

646
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,640
continue learning.
And I have zero respect for

647
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,680
people who don't have the
ability to do that.

648
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,360
So when I run into
professionals, be they in the

649
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,000
human space or the veterinary
space, the animal space, who

650
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:30,360
would rather stand up on that
hill and die than admit that

651
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,200
they don't know something, I'm
just, I'm not interested.

652
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,160
I'll just walk away because
you've lost my respect.

653
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Yeah, I just, I feel so
strongly, I know you do too,

654
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,080
that if the only education you
have in nutrition is whatever

655
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,920
you got in veterinary school,
which is so minimal.

656
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:50,520
Some veterinarians say, I mean,
I've heard some veterinarians

657
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:56,120
say that it's like one Class 1
semester and whatever you're

658
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,320
learning in that class is going
to be whatever big pet food

659
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,800
company is funding that
veterinary school, Whatever they

660
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:11,080
want to tell you.
Plus possibly plus whatever a

661
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:16,840
big pet food Rep comes in to
your office to tell you about

662
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,040
their food and why their food is
so great.

663
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,480
So you walk into, you know, it
used to be a thing, I would say,

664
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,560
like if you walk into a
veterinarian's office and you

665
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,080
look at their degree, they're
just like where they got their

666
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,640
veterinary degree and look up
what big pet food is funding

667
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,040
that school.
I promise you that's the food

668
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,160
they're selling.
I promise you that's the food

669
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,400
they're selling.
Yeah.

670
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,040
And I, I really hate even saying
that because it makes us look

671
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,400
like jerks.
Kind of I know we kind of kind

672
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:46,520
of look like we're harping,
right.

673
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,400
I really hardcore funded some
veterinarian that with my video

674
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,800
last week where I was talking
about like why this article is

675
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,480
bad is like the key points that
I disagreed with which and one

676
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,560
of which were that and I wrote
it.

677
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,600
Here is one of the things that I
disagree with is that they said

678
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,720
in Consumer Reports that they
consulted experts such as

679
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,960
veterinary nutritionists and
veterinarians.

680
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,600
But the next logical question is
what nutrition education do they

681
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,520
have?
Because if it's based off of

682
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,880
small animal Clinical Nutrition,
which was founded and written by

683
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,640
the Mark Morris Institute, who
is the founder of Health Science

684
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,280
diet, then the answer is not
much.

685
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:32,440
And like, you can't.
There's so much bias it isn't

686
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,000
even funny.
And this woman was so pissed

687
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,760
that I would dare say that they
were, that she or other

688
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,560
veterinarians are essentially
brainwashed by these big cable

689
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,840
companies who kind of get their
hopes into them from the day

690
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,200
they step into veterinary
school.

691
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,840
She staunchly denied that there
was ever any lectures from

692
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,200
kibble reps, that no one ever
talked about different kibbles

693
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,440
for different diets.
No reps came.

694
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:58,960
There was no mention of, you
know, blah, blah, blah.

695
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,920
And I was like, well, that's
really weird because the most

696
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,360
well known holistic
veterinarians in this space have

697
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,520
completely laid themselves bare
to tell us about how that

698
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,320
happened to them when they were
in school and how it took them

699
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,120
years to realize how wrong and
biased it was.

700
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,480
And they share that they spent
years treating animals that way.

701
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,800
And once they realized that they
were doing that, that they had

702
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,440
shame and horror and
frustration, and they had to go

703
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,000
through all those feelings and
then share them with us so that

704
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,880
we could understand their
journey.

705
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,680
And you're just going to sit
here and say that that's all a

706
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,720
lie?
I don't believe you.

707
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,720
Yeah.
No, I believe you.

708
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,320
So that's that's the person who
was offended.

709
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,800
She got personally offended by
what I was saying and couldn't

710
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,800
admit that she was wrong.
That's the kind of person that I

711
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,680
don't respect because damn, I've
said I was wrong a lot in my

712
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,200
life.
No kidding.

713
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,240
Oh my goodness.
Right.

714
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,240
Same.
Same.

715
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,080
I gotta find a little tangent.
There No, I mean, I think, you

716
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,960
know, it's an important
conversation to have and it's a

717
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,840
difficult conversation to have
because I absolutely respect

718
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,680
someone who chose to dedicate
their life because you're not

719
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,320
going into veterinary medicine
for the money, right?

720
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,120
No, you're not.
So I I mean, I respect that

721
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,000
decision and I respect that you
care for the animals.

722
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:29,960
I just am so anxious for you to
find that moment where you

723
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:36,360
realize that, oh, maybe this
isn't the way to actually we

724
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,000
affect change in these animals
lives in a positive way.

725
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,360
Yeah, I yes, you're making
change in their lives.

726
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,400
I just don't always think it's
in a positive way.

727
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,320
And the into the point of the
veterinary nutritionists.

728
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:58,480
I there's first of all, so few
of them and I have yet to be

729
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,000
impressed by a single recipe
I've seen by a veterinary

730
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,280
nutritionist.
In fact, I have clients, and I

731
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,640
know you do too, that bring me
recipes from a veterinary

732
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:11,600
nutritionist and they are like
crying some of them because of

733
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,680
the amount of money they have
spent on these recipes and they

734
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,160
their pets are not like.
Chicken better, possibly.

735
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,400
Chicken, rice, green beans and
balance it.

736
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,800
Oh my gosh, it's always balance
you pay for.

737
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,440
Yeah, I know.
And that bothers me so much

738
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,800
because they you do, you spend
an you wait, you sit on a

739
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,920
waiting list and then you spend
so much money for by the way,

740
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,160
you can get balance it on your
own and figure it out on your

741
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,800
own and not spend any of that
money.

742
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,960
I don't like balance it, but I
don't want you to use it.

743
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,200
But like you can do that all on
your own.

744
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,120
I don't, I don't, I don't
understand.

745
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,720
So, but that's because when you
say you're a veterinary, when

746
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,680
you have the credential of a
veterinary nutritionist, you are

747
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:06,760
still being taught by the same
system of put some food, doesn't

748
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,360
matter what it is, it can be
freaking shoe leather and throw

749
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,480
a premix in there and it meets
AFCO minimum standards and

750
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,840
you're good to go.
Yeah.

751
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,800
That's what they're trained to
do.

752
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,200
So the good.
And the bad thing, Yeah, the

753
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,320
good and the bad, right?
So one more big thing that

754
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:32,200
really stood out for me was that
the same the president of the

755
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:38,640
AVMA said in here that, you
know, be wary of Rafu, be wary

756
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,400
of parasites and bacteria, blah
blah, blah.

757
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,800
We've heard about before
recommends cooking meat.

758
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,880
But she also specifically stated
that while some dogs may benefit

759
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,120
from grain free foods, there's
no specific reason a dog would

760
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,840
need a grain free diet and
plenty of research to show that

761
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:02,160
dogs digest grains.
Well, I would love to see those

762
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,080
studies and here's why.
If anybody on here does not know

763
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,760
how an AFCO feeding child works,
here is the criteria for you.

764
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,360
You have to have at least 8
animals.

765
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,960
Only six out of eight of those
animals have to complete the

766
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,920
trial.
In the trial, no more than 15%

767
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,680
of body weight can be lost,
blood tests must remain within

768
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,160
normal ranges and there can be
no signs of nutritional

769
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,040
deficiencies or toxicities.
So that is your only criteria.

770
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,960
And it's not even a full blood
panel.

771
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,040
It's only yeah full.
Specific things and it only

772
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,440
lasts 6 months.
I'm sorry, I could eat Ritz

773
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,720
crackers for six months and I'm
not going to show signs of

774
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:43,760
nutritional deficiencies or
toxicities.

775
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,720
And I'm probably going to have
OK blood work because the body

776
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:50,960
doesn't work like that.
You could eat grass at first six

777
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,720
months, maybe not grass because
we're not cows.

778
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:56,520
But but you know, you, your
body, you store things in your

779
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,800
tissues.
It's not, you do not need to

780
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:06,840
eat, you know, two micrograms of
copper and 20 milligrams of zinc

781
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,760
and you know, you don't need to
have that every single day or

782
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,520
else the next day you're going
to miraculously have 0 copper in

783
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,040
your body and you're going to
wither and die.

784
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,080
It doesn't work that way.
So the trials are not long

785
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,640
enough, the sample size is not
big enough and the criteria is

786
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:24,400
not robust enough.
So I don't like that they're

787
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,440
going to quote things like use
AFCO and have the, you know, go

788
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,480
We, we have studies that say
that dogs digest grain is fine.

789
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,880
All you need to know that all
you need to do to know that your

790
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,520
dog is not digesting grains fine
is feed them food with grains in

791
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,360
it and then go outside and look
at the gift they left you on the

792
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,000
grass.
It's big, it smells, it's soft.

793
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,320
They are pooping out what you're
putting in.

794
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:51,160
And it's not supposed to be that
way.

795
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,360
I don't need a trial to tell me
that that was the last thing

796
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:59,680
that the smell.
Well, and I think, you know, so

797
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,800
this whole grain free thing is
just never going to go away.

798
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,720
It's never going to go away.
It isn't.

799
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,120
I don't want you to feed grain
inclusive or grain free.

800
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,760
If it comes in a bag and it's
dry, I don't want you to feed

801
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,120
either one.
Yeah, just.

802
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,720
Don't do that.
Just don't do that well.

803
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:25,000
And the only the only
qualification for a grain free

804
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,720
food is that it literally
doesn't have a grain in it.

805
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:34,560
There's no there.
There's no, there's no

806
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,040
qualification for what they've
replaced those grains with.

807
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:43,120
So to say that yes, but it
doesn't even have to be like it

808
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,240
can be literally anything they
want it to be as long as it's

809
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:49,200
not a grain.
There's there, there's no

810
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,480
restrictions on it, right, But
so.

811
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,320
But you know that they're not
going to replace it with

812
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,040
something better, right?
Like the protein that you need

813
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,880
to synthesize, amino acids that
are good for the heart, you

814
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,800
know, I mean, so there's sure
you're taking something out, but

815
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,680
what you have to put something
in its place.

816
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:06,160
What could it be?
Whatever you want.

817
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,520
That's not yeah, it isn't.
It isn't great.

818
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,400
So but yeah, this whole grain
free thing, Oh my gosh, it's,

819
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,280
it's, it has persisted and I
feel like it's not going away

820
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:22,960
anytime soon.
Like there are still people

821
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:28,880
today that will come to me and
say my vet said not afraid to

822
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,960
feed a grain free food like.
Oh my Lord.

823
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,840
OK, we do have some questions
and comments on Instagram, so

824
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,520
let me just scroll back.
Millie's Raw Life wants to see a

825
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,360
close up of my books.
Here they are.

826
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,480
Millie.
I know your name's not Millie.

827
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,840
It's Amanda.
How do I do this for you?

828
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,360
So here's here are the faves.
I got some of the faves.

829
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,720
I've got some.
There's Piper.

830
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:58,680
That's a little ceramic.
My husband made that little

831
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,680
ceramic thing he made of our dog
Piper.

832
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,160
So yeah, there's all kinds of
stuff in here.

833
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,640
Some human books down here. 4
pause, 5 directions.

834
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:12,840
That's a fave.
Yeah, she also said Millie's

835
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,720
real life says I've seen a big
increase in companies adding

836
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:17,440
probiotics in their commercial
raw.

837
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,000
I have two.
I don't know that I love it

838
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:26,280
either because exactly what Kara
said at the beginning, there's

839
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:31,280
no variety.
There's no like variation.

840
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,600
There's no and.
Yeah.

841
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,960
What are the downstream effects?
We don't.

842
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,720
Know it's, it's a, it's a whole
thing.

843
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,400
It's a lot that we don't know,
right?

844
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:47,480
Millie's real life also says all
the vets I've had have been

845
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,280
competitive, even with myself.
You're exactly right.

846
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:55,360
I've had a vet tell me how
essential corn and potatoes are

847
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,320
to the diet.
Lord Jesus.

848
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,040
I feel like finding non-GMO corn
in this country by.

849
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,240
The way it's not possible I I
actually try really hard not to

850
00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:10,440
eat corn, but I I will on
occasion because I am from the

851
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:17,000
South and corn is like a staple.
I love and let me tell you, I

852
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,360
love.
So when I was growing up, it's

853
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,800
like this is my comfort food.
OK, I will have a big heap of

854
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,880
mashed potatoes with tons of
butter and I know.

855
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,520
What you're going to say?
Crumble up cornbread, sweet

856
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,200
cornbread into it and then add
some corn to that and mix it all

857
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,560
up.
And that is like, it has to be

858
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,320
my favorite meal in the whole
wide world.

859
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,240
And I probably haven't had it in
like 10 years, but it is it's,

860
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,400
it's my like Southern Comfort
food.

861
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,200
There are two kinds of people in
this world, the people that mix

862
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,800
their corn and mashed potatoes
and the people that keep them

863
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,560
separate.
Jessica, we are two different

864
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:05,680
people.
I I don't, and I try really hard

865
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,040
not to eat corn, but if I'm
going to eat corn in this home,

866
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,760
probably not know what to say.
OK, Millie's real life.

867
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,160
How do you feel about premixes
without synthetics?

868
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,200
I have feelings.
What do you have feelings on,

869
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,680
Karen?
What is a premix without

870
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,560
synthetics?
Well, what comes?

871
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,560
To mind for me is like like a
Doctor Harvey's.

872
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,400
That's what comes to me.
Oh, OK.

873
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,080
OK.
Yeah, that makes sense.

874
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,400
There there are some like Corley
flavor has some.

875
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,960
I think too that you kind of, I
don't know, but I what came to

876
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,520
mind for me first was Doctor
Harvey's.

877
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,840
Doctor Harvey's.
I think that it can be a good

878
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,040
alternative for people who are
intimidated, maybe don't have

879
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,160
the time to do complete DIY,
that are looking for a base to

880
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,200
add something to.
The problem I've run into is

881
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:58,240
first, it's expensive.
Second, it tends to come out to

882
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,760
a lot of vegetable matter.
I've had dogs who were eating

883
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,960
that, who were pooping like 3-4
times a day and there are pieces

884
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:11,040
of that dehydrated food still in
their stool that's whole, not

885
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,080
well digested.
And I've had that with multiple

886
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,480
clients and we went through all
the things, right?

887
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:17,800
Like are you soaking it long
enough?

888
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,200
Maybe let's try hotter water,
Like let's like, do you want to

889
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,520
blitz it in the blend?
They still were having that

890
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,320
problem.
And I thought, oh, maybe there's

891
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,280
a digestive issue.
But as soon as we took that out

892
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,920
and just took fresh veggies and,
and steamed and pureed them, the

893
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,240
problem was gone.
So I'm not a huge fan, but I

894
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,800
would still rather take that
over a bowl of kibble.

895
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:44,280
Yeah, yeah.
I find the people that get on

896
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,600
those like bass mixes, like a
Doctor Harvey's.

897
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,560
And so, by the way, Dr. Harvey's
has one that does have

898
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:51,920
synthetics in it, and then they
have another.

899
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,560
One that does.
Out.

900
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:58,560
So I obviously would prefer the
one without, but what I have

901
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:04,960
found with my clients that are
using it is that it becomes a

902
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,240
crutch.
And so they wind up feeding the

903
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,800
same thing over and over and
over again for years and years.

904
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,480
And so we still wind up with
dysbiosis.

905
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,120
Yeah, a lot of times.
Where's your variety?

906
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,280
Yeah, no, there's no bet.
You could change your meat

907
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,840
variety, sure, but where's your
vegetable variety?

908
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,520
And another thing about it too
is you have to add an oil.

909
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,320
Yeah.
Yeah, you do.

910
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,560
We know how.
I feel about oils, yeah.

911
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,360
I have a lot, I have a lot of
feelings about oils and if you

912
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,120
really want to know you could go
to rawpopventures.com/blog and

913
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,680
read my blog about oils or you
could go to Jessica's profile

914
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,280
and you could watch our live
about oil.

915
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,960
Yes, we did have a pretty good
live about oils.

916
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,480
Millie's raw life says kind of
off topic, but I saw in your

917
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:56,040
recent video, my recent video.
I think that I use the mine pet

918
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,440
platter.
Is it worth the investment?

919
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:00,760
I, I don't know what they cost
today.

920
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:06,400
I can send you a discount code
that I have for it, but I love

921
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:07,920
it.
I really do.

922
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:15,120
I, I want to almost always feed
off of something flat for my,

923
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,440
for my animals.
The only time I don't, I will

924
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,360
sometimes use a pasta bowl if
I'm adding a lot of like bone

925
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,120
broth or something just because
it's messy.

926
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,920
Like it has the ridges in it
that catch the bone broth.

927
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,760
But if your hands are at all
shaky, you're still going to,

928
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,240
you're going to lose some of
that bone broth.

929
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,080
So.
I have them too.

930
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,400
I have them for the cats.
The large one is 45, the small

931
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,560
one is 40.
I have the small ones for the

932
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,880
cats.
You I agree.

933
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,920
You can feed off any flat
surface.

934
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,360
You can feed off of the plate
that you eat your food off of.

935
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,880
You can feed off a cutting
board.

936
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,040
It doesn't have to, you know,
but but what I do like about

937
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:56,200
this is she's very meticulous
with her her material.

938
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,240
So like there's nothing toxic in
them.

939
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,360
If you if you have an animal
that is enjoy.

940
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,720
It's what am I trying to say?
Like kind of like the licking

941
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,280
process because if you like
swish it into the grooves that

942
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,240
that can be a little bit of
enrichment that can slow them

943
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,920
down if you're feeding just a
grind.

944
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,280
So that's nice.
But be wary if you have an

945
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,000
animal that gets a little bit
obsessive or anxious if they

946
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,920
can't get every last bit of
food, maybe that's not the best.

947
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,120
You might not want to like
squish it into those grooves.

948
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,760
Like my cats, if it gets
squished down in there, they

949
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,280
will leave that last little bit
because they are just not

950
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,200
interested.
So I I just plop it on there.

951
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,360
I got it because I wanted to do
an experiment and see if I could

952
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:41,480
get one cat to pick one color.
Yeah, it didn't work.

953
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,760
So I have three different colors
for my three different cats and

954
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:46,640
they migrate to whichever 1 I
put down first.

955
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,280
So I didn't work, but I still,
it's still convenient and it's

956
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,120
really easy to clean if you have
one of those scrub brushes.

957
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,520
And I like to use the Project
Suds dish soap and I just Choo,

958
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,360
Choo, Choo and I and it gets in
all the little grooves.

959
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:00,320
It's perfect.
Yeah.

960
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,720
I mean, I, I very much
appreciate, because I've had

961
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,080
Carol on a couple of times, I
have very much appreciate the

962
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,800
amount of research that she did
to try to make it more of an

963
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:17,600
experience so that it does mimic
more what it would be like for

964
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,760
an animal to like actually lick
the meat off of the ribs and

965
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,360
different, you know, things like
that.

966
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:30,200
So I, I appreciate that a lot.
And I do think that my dog does

967
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,400
take a little bit longer to eat
her food versus if I just put it

968
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,200
on a wooden cutting board or a
pasta dish.

969
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:43,320
Like it's not a lick mat type
situation, which Carol hates by

970
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,320
the way.
It's not that kind of situation,

971
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:50,280
but it does take her just a
little bit longer, which I mean,

972
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:51,720
you know, I think that's a good
thing.

973
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,040
Yeah.
Cool.

974
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,040
So Millie's raw life.
Didn't know you had cats.

975
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:03,080
I don't have any idea how.
Amanda I.

976
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,760
Have 3 cats and I had to kick
them out of the room because

977
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,920
they were being annoying.
I just got back from a trip and

978
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,440
they were excited to see me and
I immediately shut them out into

979
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,600
this room so that I could do
this recording.

980
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,240
So.
OK.

981
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,800
So yeah, I think, I think the
good and the bad.

982
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,400
So the good is that a lot of
people, especially the older

983
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:32,960
generations do very much utilize
Consumer Reports.

984
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:40,160
And so having them do testing on
dog foods may bring about

985
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,040
questions.
So it may have people asking

986
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,080
more questions.
I don't know how the younger

987
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:53,680
generations even like, I wonder,
I bet Gen.

988
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:57,680
Z like doesn't even know what
Consumer Reports is so we'll.

989
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:03,000
See.
How this age is but so yeah,

990
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,120
getting people to ask questions
I think is probably the best

991
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:11,400
part of them doing this.
And the worst part is the whole

992
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:13,800
always ask your better
experience.

993
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,680
I think that's the worst.
Part yeah, the the three worst

994
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,640
ones were always ask your bet,
always check for ethical

995
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,240
guidelines.
And then the last one was don't

996
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,120
make a change to your pet's food
once you find something that

997
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,360
works.
That was the last one that I

998
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,800
forgot.
That's a complete bullshiz,

999
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,240
Nizz.
It's a lie.

1000
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,840
I'm trying to keep the PG for
Jess's page here but I I swear a

1001
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,280
lot of my pocket but I know it's
complete bull.

1002
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,520
Please change your pet's food
often.

1003
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,440
Not only do you want to provide
variety, but this also prevents

1004
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,760
the development of sensitivities
if there's any leaky gut.

1005
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:48,440
So change it and change it
often, yes.

1006
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,400
I agree, completely agree.
Yeah.

1007
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,040
All right.
I think that's going to wrap it

1008
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,200
up unless you have anything
else.

1009
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,080
I mean, I have a lot of things
to say, but only an hour to say

1010
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:07,000
I'm.
OK, I guess we will.

1011
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,720
Are you going to join me next
week or what are what's your

1012
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,280
schedule?
I'm off all of the Mondays.

1013
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:17,560
Oh wow oh OK.
Well if you guys have any

1014
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:22,400
recommendations or requests for
topics you can DM either one of

1015
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,000
us because we will need to pick
a topic.

1016
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,400
For next week.
Usually do better.

1017
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,920
Come back and comment on this.
Yeah.

1018
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,400
Oh, yes, that would be great.
Please.

1019
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,520
Comment on this, tell us what
you want us to talk about, and

1020
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,200
we'll do some research and come
back with some really great

1021
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,040
quips and maybe a few swear
words next month.

1022
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,400
Next week.
All right guys, y'all have a

1023
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,240
great rest of your week and we
will see you next Monday.

1024
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,600
Bye bye.