193. Raw Feeding Myths BUSTED | National Raw Feeding Week

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Welcome back pet parent.
Today today, April first, marks

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the first day of National Raw
Feeding Week and I wanted to do

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something special for you guys
for this occasion because I am

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an avid raw feeder.
I am a big advocate of raw

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feeding.
Fresh feeding is where my

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content lies, but I love raw
feeding within fresh feeding.

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And so I know I've had Kimberly
on the show a couple of times in

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the past and we've talked about
raw feeding.

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But I thought it would be fun to
invite her back on and talk all

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about myths surrounding raw
feeding because there are so

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many.
And I know we won't get to all

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of them today, but hopefully
we'll get to some of the big

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ones, maybe the ones that
aggravate Kimberly the most.

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So let's jump into it.
Kimberly Gautier is the founder.

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She's the Blogger.
She's the incredible woman

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behind Keep the Tail Wagging.
She has 2 podcast Believe in

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dog.
Wait no that's not it.

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But you don't have one now.
Aaron has two podcasts.

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Wait, but you did the one with
the golden doodle lady?

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Yeah, Kathy, Kathy.
Both of her dogs passed away all

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within like 10 months.
It was heart wrenching.

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I mean, it was heartbreaking for
her.

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I was surprised at how hard it
hit me because, you know, you

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get to know these dogs and you
know the and, and you know, the

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pain that they're going through
and it was horrifying.

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It was horrifying.
So sorry to hear that.

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Yeah.
I don't know how I didn't know

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that, but I don't see your stuff
very often on Instagram.

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You.
Know I I see I have like this

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week.
I'm seeing your stuff.

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Really.
Yeah.

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I think I saw one or two of
yours yesterday too.

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I don't know what's going on in
the social media world, but I

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will go through phases and I and
I will have to go and find

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someone to say did I like
unfollow them or something

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because why am I not seeing
their stuff anymore?

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And I'm Nope, you're right
there.

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I see you more on TikTok than I
see.

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Well, I have just come, I think,
to the realization that I think

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my Instagram is shadow band.
Just in this past week.

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I've been doing some research
and I'm like, why?

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Why am I not getting the same
engagement I was getting a

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couple of months ago?
Why are people not seeing the

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post as much as they?
And my follower count hasn't

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changed.
So like, what is going on?

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And I think I might be shadow.
So I got to look into that.

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You and I should talk offline
about Instagram because I had a

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consultation with someone from
Instagram and I'm trying to

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share everything that he told me
that would.

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Be wonderful because I actually
just signed up for a

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consultation with them.
So I'm like.

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It was Yeah, right.
Start writing down questions.

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OK.
Because that talking to him, I

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was able to like, you know, the
myths that people, as we're

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talking about, the myths that
people have about Instagram.

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And if you do this, this will,
you can't do this.

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And he cleared everything up for
me and it just opened

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everything.
And after that conversation,

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this was several months ago, my
Instagram has been so much

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better.
I'm glad to hear that, first of

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all, because like, I know some
people get really competitive,

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but like, there's so much room
in this space.

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Much like you wouldn't believe.
I guess that's probably our

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first myth is that we're all
fighting over a handful of dog

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and cat owners.
Of the.

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Feeding when and it's just like
it saddens me because I don't

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see it as much as I used to.
And I think the reason why is

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because I really started taking
a huge step back from the rock

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beating community only because I
wanted to focus more on my dogs.

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And I found that when I was
constantly like in all these

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groups and following all these
people, it just became

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overwhelming for me.
And I was kind of all over the

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place.
And I remember years ago I used

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to do an annual.
These are the supplements I give

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to my dogs and this post was
insane.

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Just absolutely insane.
And I look back and it makes me

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laugh because even though I do
have a lot of different

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supplements in their pantry
because yes, I and I my dogs

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don't have a pantry in the
house.

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I took the third Bay of our
garage and that's my dog space

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for all of their stuff.
And so I have set up shelves and

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have everything organized, but I
still only give my dogs a

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handful of supplements because
it's mostly based on what they

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need rather than based on all of
these people telling me, oh,

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this is great and this is great
and this is great.

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And it's like, I'm, you know,
we're all so desperately trying

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to, to create the next forever
dog that we end up throwing

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everything at our dogs.
And that's not necessary.

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And so I knew that I needed to
take a step back because I was

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finding myself being way too
influenced by everything that I

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was seeing.
And it's expensive to try and

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buy all of these supplements.
So I mean, I see a lot of people

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out there who want to start
creating content and sharing

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about raw feeding.
And I so highly encourage this

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because although there are
studies, you know, like what is

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that?
That is it dog risk that out of

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Finland?
The one that Yeah.

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Yes, studies.
And, you know, and Rodney and

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Karen are bringing studies.
You know, Doctor Connor Brady

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has an entire book that he
references tons of studies.

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So there are studies, but not
many that are directly about the

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benefits of raw feeding and our
pets, you know, only a handful.

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And I feel like at this time,
we're still living in the land

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of anecdotal evidence.
And so we still need more people

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talking about raw feeding.
We, I mean, even though it's

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becoming more normalized, we
still need new voices because I

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truly believe that every pet is
different.

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Every pet is unique.
And it's astounding how you can

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be talking to one person about
raw feeding and just nothing is

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connecting, nothing is clicking,
But then you come across someone

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else and everything they say,
even if it's they're pretty much

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saying the same message, but the
way they're saying it, the way

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they're delivering, it just
clicks hard with you.

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And so that's why I feel like we
need so many more voices out

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there talking about raw feeding,
talking about their experience.

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You don't have to be an expert
in anything.

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I mean, I have two
certifications now and I'm

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considering getting a third, but
I'm not sure.

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But I I do all of this simply
for my dogs.

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I don't plan on offering any
consultations.

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I just love learning and I find
it fascinating.

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So I would love to see other
people doing the same things,

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just sharing their content,
sharing the meals and why they

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they give their dogs this thing.
And if the answer is, I don't

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know, it just seemed good for
the day, that's fine.

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I mean, but the more of us who
are talking about this in a

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public way, you know, so not
inside of a closed rock feeding

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group, but out publicly, I feel
the more people get used to the

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idea of whether it be Roth
feeding or fresh food, but get

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used to the idea of this
happening.

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Asking more questions.
Although you know, I mentioned

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TikTok, I don't use TikTok for
my blog.

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I, I do post stuff, but I mostly
use TikTok or just fun.

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But when I do post a video, it
does get some engagement, not a

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ton, but it does get some
engagement because people are

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like, either you're going to
have people who do the same

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thing and they're like, oh,
great, another person, or you're

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going to have someone going, Oh
my God, I didn't know I could do

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that.
And then they're interested.

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And so it's like, you just never
know.

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You never know when you're going
to connect with someone.

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So going back, there is plenty
of room for all of us.

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We're not competing.
If you know, I I've said this,

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I've seen so many other people
say collaboration over

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competition.
The 2 crazy cat ladies always

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say learn, share and grow.
I just really think that the

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idea that, you know, there are
too many people already talking

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about this, there's never going
to be enough people talking

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about this.
If there were too many people,

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then it wouldn't be a big deal
if we got, we wouldn't be

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getting comments of Oh my God, I
would never feed my dog that raw

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meat is dangerous.
You know, we're still getting

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those type of comments.
And until that stops, we got to

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keep going until we start seeing
dogs living, I won't say 30, but

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let's just say into their late
teens.

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And I don't mean little dogs, I
mean all dogs living until their

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late teens, early 20s.
Until that becomes commonplace.

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We got to still start creating
that content.

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And it has to be more of us
because what I put out there may

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not resonate with people, but
what you put out there may

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resonate 100% with someone.
So it's like the more voices

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that are out there, the more
people we're going to be able to

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bring into the fold.
I love that and I so agree and

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is all about like who you
connect with, because there are

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definitely people that like I I
like their message, but I just

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can't.
I don't click with them right

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and I'm like, I can't, I'm
sorry, like maybe I followed

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you, but I've got to unfollow
you because I can't.

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I just.
Can't some people can be very

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aggressive about it And what's
funny is that over the years I

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have come to understand why like
the whole I did a post a while

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ago about this because it just
clicked to me the whole my way

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or the highway type of
personality where there is only

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another myth.
There's only one way to feed our

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pets raw food or fresh food
diet.

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And if you deviate from this and
you're going to be feeding them

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a deficient diet, you're going
to be harming your pet, you

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know, you're just doing it
wrong.

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You might as well just go back
to feeding kibble if that's the

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case.
You know, that type of message,

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It's so aggressive, it's such a
turn off.

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But over time, I kind of
understand.

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I think I understand where
that's coming from.

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And this is the reason why,
again, I will not offer

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consultations.
I'll get on the phone with

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someone and tell them this is
what I do and have a

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conversation with them.
But I will not do consultations

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because when you know that BC
and D is what works in this

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situation and the person you're
working with is doing everything

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but what you're suggesting.
And they keep coming back to you

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and telling you it's not
working.

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And it's like, well, you're not
doing what I say in that case.

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You are dealing with a my way or
the highway situation.

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And many people come to Roth
eating because a pet is sick.

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And so in order to heal and to
get them, it's not enough to

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just say, OK, switch to raw, go
to the pet store, pick up some

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commercial.
You know, because this is what I

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say, go to the pet store, pick
up some commercial raw.

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Take the time, start educating
yourself about doing it DIY if

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that's what you want to do.
Find your sources, the equipment

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you might need, like an extra
freezer or some what is it a

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meat cleaver, a meat grinder.
Do all of that take because

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that's my route.
That's what I did and that's

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what worked for me.
But usually when someone is

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coming to raw, it's because
their dog has severe allergies,

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has cancer, or has some type of
autoimmune illness.

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And it's a little bit more than
just switching to raw in many of

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these cases.
And that's where I don't want to

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touch that type of situation
simply because I don't have the

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experience and knowledge to help
someone.

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But the people that I've spoken
to, Bronwyn Farley of Dolce,

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yeah, I always say Dolce's and
she, she told me it's Dolce's.

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Yeah.
Stop saying Dolce's legacy.

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I know I do too.
You know, like she has all of

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that knowledge and experience
and she knows everything.

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Like if I had a dog that was
sick and I went to her for help,

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I'm going to follow exactly what
she tells me to do if I want to

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see results.
But I can understand why people

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get home and they sort of like,
they start researching for

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themselves and they see other
things and they want to try all

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these different things and they
feel like, you know, the more I

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put at my dog, the better.
And they're just simply not

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seeing the results.
So I can understand when people

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come back and go, you have to do
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I think it's trickled into just
plain Roth eating where people

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are like, no, you have to do it
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it, how can you possibly be
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message is born from people

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being frustrated of trying to
help someone and help their pet

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and the person not following the
steps that they need a step to

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follow and then coming back and
being mad because their dog or

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cat is still not doing well.
Yeah, so much of that resonated

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well and for so many reasons.
First of all, I my the first

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thing I want to say and
acknowledge I I think that part

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of the reason why we have this
like there's only one way

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mentality when it comes to pet
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I think that we have just been
so heavily indoctrinated and

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some of our veterinarians by,
you know, the pet food industry

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for so many decades at this
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only ones that can do it right.
And they have told us that for

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so long that it's so complicated
and we're the only ones that can

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do can get this right to make
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general that like the way

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allopathic medicine does the
same thing to, you know,

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holistic or even integrative
functional medicine where, you

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know, pharmaceuticals are going
to fix your problem, right?

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pharmaceuticals, then everything

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else is just woo woo hippie
vibes, right?

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But there are so, so many myths

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around raw feeding specifically.
Some are ingredient based, some

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are kind of generalized.
So I want to try to get to as

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many as I can.
One of them is around

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aggression.
What do you want?

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Me makes our dogs bloodthirsty.
When I told my mom that I was

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switching my dogs to a raw food
diet umpteen years ago, that was

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one of her fears was that my dog
was going to go feral.

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And I was just like, yeah,
that's not going to happen.

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And I, I actually had someone at
the same time when I first

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started creating content about
raw feeding, I got a really

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nasty e-mail from someone who
accused me of being a dog

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fighter and that the only person
who would feed their dog raw

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meat would be someone who was
fighting dogs because they want

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their dogs to be aggressive.
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That's not how it works.
If anything, a dog fed a high

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carb diet is liable to be more
aggressive than a dog fed a raw

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diet simply because of the blood
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I mean when I am eating a

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terrible diet.
This last year I started cooking

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more and I was astounded at how
quickly just everything leveled

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out for me.
As someone who has lived with

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anxiety and depression my entire
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I wasn't eating all, I mean, and
it wasn't like I was eating a

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terrible diet, wasn't going to
McDonald's every day.

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But it was just like, there's so
many things like the seed oils

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and the amount of sugar that we
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I mean, there's so many things
that are in our diet that do not

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help us.
And what you said earlier about

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treating everything with
pharmaceuticals, when you go to

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the doctor, they're not going to
say, well, here, you know, maybe

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if you stop eating blank, blank
and blank and start eating fresh

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food, you'll do a lot better.
No, they're going to prescribe

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something to you.
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goes for our dogs.
If our dogs were wild, you know,

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they would be hunting.
I mean, I've seen it with my dog

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myself.
Apollo in the spring and the

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summer will hunt the rabbits on
our property and drives me

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crazy.
This past year he, he did it.

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He had a record number.
I think he got three rabbits

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that I know of and he ate them
home.

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He did not immediately start
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He wasn't salivating and
drooling.

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It wasn't some horror movie.
That is what they would do.

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And I think the whole idea of
dogs being carnivores and being

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predators gets kind of wrapped
up into all of that where yes,

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my dog is a carnivore, yes, my
dog is a predator.

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My dog also likes to cuddle on
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My dog is all, he's also my big
old baby, fluffy baby.

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So it's just, you know, take a
step back.

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I know it can be scary.
It seems like the easiest go to

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fear to to tag people with, but
it's just not true.

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Yeah, I know.
When you're chronically inflamed

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and you just feel crappy and you
have brain fog, like that's not

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exclusively a human experience.
Unfortunately, I think for most

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wild animals, they don't know
what that is like.

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But for the animals that we've
domesticated, they definitely

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feel the same things we feel
when we impose our own, whatever

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we're eating or whatever,
however we care for ourselves

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and we impose that on them.
It it definitely trickles down.

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So you've already mentioned a
couple of times about unbalanced

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meals and this is a huge topic,
I think. 95% of homemade diets

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aren't balanced.
Yeah.

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Well, and I think there's
something to be said for like

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who gets to decide what is
balanced and what is for each

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individual dog, like what their
needs are.

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I think we, we are so fortunate
to live in a time where we can

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actually test and see if our
dogs are having any.

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And granted, that's something
that maybe not everybody can

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afford to do right now, but that
is available to us.

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And so I don't know.
I don't want to take over, but

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what is your idea?
What are your thoughts around

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balance and and the idea that so
many people are feeding an

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unbalanced diet to their dogs?
Well, I do believe that, you

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know, I remember reading the
article Aaron and I actually is.

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One of our earlier podcast
episodes was about the article

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that most diets are unbalanced.
And I would see this quote here

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and there.
And I even saw it on a website.

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And I asked, where did you get
this?

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How?
Because I couldn't, no one was

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linking to a study.
And Aaron's the one that tracked

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it down.
And I think it was maybe it's UC

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Davis, California.
And we finally found the study.

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And basically what they did is
they found recipes online

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recipes and books and then a few
recipes by veterinarians and

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they ran them through software
and determined that power like

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85 percent, 95% were deficient
in a handful of nutrients.

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And it when you read it, it's
not as bad as it seems.

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The the flaw with the study is
that you're assuming that if

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someone buys a cookbook for
dogs, they're just going to be

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making those recipes in that
book.

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Or they're just going, if they
find a recipe online, they're

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just going to only be feeding
that recipe as if we're going to

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take from kibble where we're
just feeding this one kibble

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every day for the rest of their
lives.

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We're going to feed this one
recipe every day for the rest of

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their lives.
And there are situations where

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someone may be doing that.
You know, I know that when I was

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a new dog owner, a neighbor did
a crock pot recipe for his dog.

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So he wasn't really changing
that up.

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He was just putting that and
feeding his dogs and his dogs

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were doing great.
I think that there is some

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validity to the idea that most
homemade diets aren't balanced.

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I just disagree with the idea
that we need to balance on a

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daily basis.
I don't think that that is

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natural.
I don't think any animal on this

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planet is consuming a daily
balanced diet with the exception

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possibly of babies because they
are getting either mother's milk

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or like and.
Yeah, I guess that's what it

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would be.
It would be mother's milk, which

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is going to cover the nutrients
that they may not be getting

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elsewhere.
With my dogs, I focus on balance

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over time.
I started when I started really

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paying attention to the topic of
balance.

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My first reaction was to push
back and say I don't need a

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balanced diet.
Why would I feed my dog a

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balanced diet?
But the more I looked into it,

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the more and the more people I
spoke to, the more I understood,

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OK, this could be a problem.
Like if I'm really not

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understanding what my dogs need,
there could be something crucial

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that's missing.
And overtime over 5 or 10 years,

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I can be regretting that.
And so I do want to make sure

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I'm doing the best that I can.
I still get stuck with the

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balance.
According to whom?

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I think that we have a lot of
great information out there.

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I think we have better
information today than we did 20

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years ago, 40 years ago.
So I'm grateful for that.

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And like as you mentioned, we
can test for it.

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But when, you know, I have three
dogs, I don't want to spend $200

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per dog every six months testing
to make sure that I'm getting

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their nutritional needs.
And I still am stuck with what

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are they facing the judgment on?
It's like when I look at, you

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know, AFCO, we all know that
AFCO isn't looking at fresh

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food.
When I look at the NRC, I don't

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know how much of the NRC is
based on fresh food and how much

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of it's based on processed food.
There's also the question of

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just basically the planet, you
know, our soil isn't as nutrient

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rich as it used to be.
So there's I just have, I go

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down that rabbit hole and I can
easily talk myself into, I don't

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have to balance my dog's diet.
I don't balance my own diet.

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So I finally settled on a base
mix.

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That way I felt like I was
covering everything that my dogs

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needed, adding a base mix to an
8010 ten diet.

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And then with puppies, until
they stop growing, I felt

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comfortable feeding them either
a commercial diet or a diet

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formulated by a nutritionist.
And that way it was like, that's

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what you're going to eat.
And the dogs that I get, usually

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it's about until they're about
seven months old, and then I

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switch them over to my DIY.
And that's basically what works

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for me.
Just I know some people agree,

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some people disagree.
I don't think it's that deep.

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I mean, I think it's important
that we continue educating

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ourselves, that we stay open to
new information, that we try to

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make sure that, you know, OK,
making sure my dogs are getting

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what they need.
But the first probably 2 years

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of my, my dogs eating a raw food
diet, I wasn't, I was feeding

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8010 ten.
I thought that was balanced.

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It wasn't until I just asked
someone a question of where does

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the omega-3 fatty acids come
into this diet?

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And then, and, and it started
snowballing from there.

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And, and I just, I made
adjustments here and there, but

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I think balancing over time with
adult dogs is where it's at for

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me.
And my dogs have been doing

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fantastic.
And so that's what I just, I, I

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real, I understand.
I don't want to discourage

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people from educating
themselves, but I also don't

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want people to be like, I can't
do this because there was an

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article I saw that said it's too
hard to balance a homemade diet.

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I disagree with that 100%.
I think it's very easy to do it.

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What's hard is doing the
spreadsheets or the software.

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All of you know the learning
curve of all these different

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things, which I don't think
people, the average person needs

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to get involved in that unless
they want to.

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Yeah, I think for me what I have
found the hardest is because I,

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I do work with clients is
figuring out what is going to

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work best for them while trying
to get as close to like nature

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as possible.
Because I definitely have had

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clients where I know if I don't
give them a complete AFCO

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balance recipe multiple, which I
never just do one recipe.

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I'm all I always, you know,
emphasize rotating recipes.

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If I don't give them a complete
AFCO balance recipe that they

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are never going to feed anything
else other than that.

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And then I also have had clients
where like, they just get it and

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I'm like, OK, we can balance
overtime and you're going to be

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fine, right?
So that's where I get, but in

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going and knowing and that not
everybody is the same, not every

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dog is the same.
And dogs are going to react very

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differently to different foods.
But that, yeah, balance is

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definitely something that's,
that's still the thing that I

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don't, I guess I, I don't
struggle with every day, but I

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try to get right for the person
I'm talking to every.

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I think that's the responsible
way to look at it.

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And again, another reason why I
don't want to do consultations.

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The way I feed my dogs is not
how I would professionally

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encourage someone to feed their
dogs because the way I feed my

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dogs is something that I've
learned over time.

445
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,240
I know my dogs very well.
I can adapt and adjust very

446
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,360
quickly with what's going on
with them.

447
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,120
There's so many things about my
dogs that I do without even

448
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,240
thinking about it, without
mentioning it.

449
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,800
I mean, just something as easy
or simple as cleaning the yard

450
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,480
and seeing where everybody is
with their stool.

451
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,320
Well, you know, making
adjustments.

452
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,560
I have a dog Walker and he comes
home or it brings my dog back

453
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,920
and tells me, oh, this is what,
you know, I noticed.

454
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,560
I adapt and adjust and there are
so many things that I wouldn't

455
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,800
know how to express this to
someone, especially someone

456
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,400
brand new, because these are
things that I've developed over

457
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,320
time and learned over time.
And like you said, some people

458
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,560
get it and they jump right into
it and they understand.

459
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,440
Other people are still scared.
They're they're basically

460
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,720
hearing these myths, they're
being discouraged.

461
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,120
And so they want some type of
comfort in knowing that, hey,

462
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,320
this is a balanced diet.
I got it from a professional.

463
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,400
And that's one of those things
where it's, it's too much, it's

464
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,640
too hard because when you
change, I mean, I have the

465
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,440
software because I love it and
it's so much fun playing around.

466
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,960
But when you change one
ingredient, it changes

467
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,880
everything else.
And the dog has sensitivities.

468
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,920
It, it can make it harder to
figure, especially, you know,

469
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,360
there's so many dogs out there,
they're basically allergic to

470
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,960
air.
And there's so many things that

471
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,640
you have to get right.
I mean, hearing that dogs have

472
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,880
issues with kelp, which is
important ingredient is just

473
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,520
like, Oh my gosh, what do you
do?

474
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,280
I spoke to someone else whose
dog could not have any seafood

475
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,200
and I asked, it's like, what do
you do for omegas and how are

476
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,120
you handling that?
And because that's my favorite

477
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:06,480
topic or not, I wouldn't say
favorite, but you know, one of

478
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,040
my favorite topics because it's
just like that is so, you know,

479
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:14,120
granted you can get Omega threes
from eggs, but just not at the

480
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:18,720
level that you can from salmon.
But if a dog can't have salmon

481
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,200
or fish or shellfish, what are
you doing?

482
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,320
Yeah.
You know, and it's just, there's

483
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,960
so many things to think about.
There are.

484
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,240
It's hard.
Too hard.

485
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,600
I know I recently went down that
rabbit hole too, because I do,

486
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,360
you know, some I think the
universe like brings things to

487
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,800
you, right?
You didn't necessarily set out

488
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,040
to do something, but the
universe was like, Nope, this is

489
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,240
what you're doing.
And I would say like 95% of my

490
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,600
clients have leaky gut with just
boatloads of sensitivities.

491
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,800
There was dogs that cannot have
any seafood.

492
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,080
I'm like, how am I going to get
DHA and EPA into this dog?

493
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:02,600
And it I kind of begrudgingly
had to go down the synthetic

494
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,440
rabbit hole because they can
make stuff, this thing, this

495
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,800
stuff in a lab now.
And I'm like, well, maybe this

496
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,480
is better that, I don't know.
I'm like, I hate the idea of

497
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,880
using synthetics, but you know,
we also have to work with the

498
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,200
dog in front of us.
Yeah, it's like we have to do

499
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,840
it's we have to do the best we
can.

500
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,720
So I always, when it comes to
synthetics, I always try to.

501
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,800
I'm fortunate because my dogs
have none in their diet right

502
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,720
now.
But if something were to change,

503
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,840
it's like I would just like to
limit the number of synthetics

504
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,240
rather than eliminate them all
together.

505
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,760
And then I try to make up for
the fact that I'm doing

506
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:41,080
synthetics in another way.
I like making sure that I put

507
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,160
some type of additive to their
water, you know, that's making

508
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,000
it like teeth or something.
So their dental health is on

509
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,040
point.
Anything to just make sure to

510
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,520
make up for the fact.
And again, it's like one of

511
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,480
those things where I think it
sounds complicated with someone

512
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,920
brand new to raw feeding is
like, what else do I have to do?

513
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,240
But over time, you just
intuitively just adapt and

514
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,240
adjust.
You just with, I mean, I think

515
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,320
you do the same for yourself.
If you eat something that

516
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,240
doesn't make you feel good, you
just, OK, I'm not going to eat

517
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,320
that anymore.
Or, or if you have a taste for

518
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,320
something sometimes, because I
always believe that if I have a

519
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,080
real craving, it's because my
dog, my body needs it.

520
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,920
And so I go and get that.
And I think you those type of

521
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,600
similar things you end up doing
for your dog as well.

522
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,880
So I was, I've been debating to
ask this question or not because

523
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,960
I know you really are honed in
on what works for your dogs.

524
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,760
But to kind of stay on this
balance topic for a very long

525
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:46,280
time I thought 5% liver, 5%
other secreting organ.

526
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,560
But as I have evolved and
certifications and working with

527
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:57,120
clients and creating recipes and
looking at some of the

528
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,000
commercial overall diets that
have come out in the past couple

529
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,680
of years, I have started feeling
more comfortable increasing

530
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,560
organ meat amounts as long as
the dog can handle it.

531
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,440
And I'm wondering what your
stance is, what you've brought

532
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,360
up 801010 and now that we're
talking about balance?

533
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,960
Whichever of your thoughts this
is like correct me, I don't

534
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,840
often just get to talk about
food for my dog.

535
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,200
So surprisingly believe it or
not, I don't usually talk to

536
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,240
other people.
I'm usually just making content.

537
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,000
But that is such a great
question.

538
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,200
I look at 801010 as an estimate
because someone actually on

539
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,640
TikTok asked me what does that
look like?

540
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,240
Can you do a video showing me
what exactly?

541
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:48,360
8010 ten my video was like?
I do mostly meat and I do some

542
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,520
bone and I do some organ and
that's basically my 801010.

543
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,520
I used to calculate it out and
figure out the weight and I

544
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,040
don't do that anymore.
And the reason why is because

545
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,120
nothing ever comes that way.
I rarely just get meat.

546
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,200
Usually I get meat and bone and
then I get separate or I get

547
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,800
meat, bone and Oregon, but it's
not enough Oregon.

548
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:14,280
So I'm adding an additional
organ so my dog's diet can be at

549
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,080
minimal 10% organ meat and go up
to 15.

550
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,600
And actually I just recently did
a meal prep pheasant and I

551
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,920
thought out too much organ meat
for what I had.

552
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,800
And I was just like trying to
decide if I wanted to just use

553
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,440
part of it and put it back in
the freezer.

554
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,880
But I was like, you know what,
it's not that much too much.

555
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200
So I went ahead and put it all
in there to see if everyone can

556
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,920
do it and they did it just fine.
My thought is that because I

557
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,640
balance over time and to me over
time can be over a week, it can

558
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,960
be over a month.
It's just basically over the

559
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,800
life of my dogs, they're getting
a variety of different things

560
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,160
and I switch up the the main
protein on a weekly basis.

561
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,360
So for instance, this week
they're doing beef and Turkey

562
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,120
and next week maybe they'll do
venison and something in the

563
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,840
week after they'll do my organ
heavy pheasant.

564
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,280
But it comes and goes and their
body adjusts and adapts for it

565
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,320
and they do just fine.
I'm also the type of person who

566
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,240
does not think that you have to
have multiple secreting organs.

567
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,480
I get why people say that
because they're so nutrient

568
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,800
rich.
However, not everyone has access

569
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,400
to multiple secreting organs.
And what I think when we say

570
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:33,120
these things as if it's it's
law, we alienate people and put

571
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,600
because there's like, well, I
can't do that.

572
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,600
And so they just figure they
can't feed raw.

573
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,920
I also feed heart as an organ
meat and it's a muscular organ

574
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,560
and a lot of people are like,
well, no, it's a muscle meat.

575
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:44,760
You're supposed to feed into the
muscle meat.

576
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,320
And I'm like, no, I don't.
The reason why is because heart

577
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,200
is also very rich.
In my opinion.

578
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,960
A muscle meat is something
that's the main part of the

579
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,600
diet.
I would never ever feed heart as

580
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,720
the main part of my dog's diet
because it would be diarrhea

581
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,680
city all over the place.
So I feed it as an organ meat.

582
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,680
I usually mix heart, liver,
kidney and spleen when I'm

583
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,000
asking for like some local farms
and they're like, what organs do

584
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,280
you want?
Those are the organs I asked for

585
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,520
and I grind them up and mix them
together as the organ meat.

586
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,240
I don't think about how much it
is.

587
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,440
It's mostly liver because the
liver is huge, but I don't worry

588
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,440
about how much of everything is
Each batch that I get is a

589
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,040
little different because what I
received from the farm is a

590
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,160
little bit different.
And I've just learned to accept

591
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,720
that my dogs are getting what
they're getting.

592
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,480
I'm sure that I could like you
know, I've had my recipes

593
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,000
reviewed, but even the recipes I
had reviewed are not what I'm

594
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:49,480
feeding my dogs today.
Because again, it it depends

595
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,120
everything depends on what I add
to my organ mix that changes how

596
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,280
much base mix I add changes
whether I add boiled oysters or

597
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,240
zinc or not changes that every
single protein changes.

598
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:08,040
So I just go for variety and I
try to get as much without going

599
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,960
overboard with my dogs.
And there is possible because I

600
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,800
do believe that the organs are
where all their vitamins and

601
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,560
minerals are really going to be.
That's the powerhouse.

602
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,239
And so I want to make sure they
get it.

603
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,320
But as you said, you know, I
just want to make sure that I

604
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,800
hit their limit because
otherwise that's when you get

605
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,239
the the loose stool, the
diarrhea.

606
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,159
Yeah, yeah, there's, I think
there's so much wiggle room and

607
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:39,520
I think that's kind of the point
of this episode is to say there

608
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,520
is so much wiggle room there.
Is.

609
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,360
So to stay on the topic of
individual ingredients, there

610
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,719
are still many, many people out
there who are raw feeders who

611
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,760
are adamantly against feeding
vegetables, and we haven't

612
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:55,800
brought this up yet.
I did.

613
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,520
Not know this until recently and
I don't remember where I saw it.

614
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,440
I don't know if it's under one,
one of my posts or in a group.

615
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,080
I don't know where it was, but I
saw that and I was just like, Oh

616
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,080
my gosh, that's still a thing.
Because I mean, granted, hey,

617
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,960
you know, you do you Boo.
But no, my dogs, you know, like

618
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:20,880
the, well, I did bring up, I did
share the, the post someone sent

619
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,680
it to me about wolves and how
they, they don't eat the stomach

620
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,880
contents.
And at this one, I don't know if

621
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,880
it was Yellowstone or or
something.

622
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,040
I first of all, my dogs aren't
wolves.

623
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,760
My their diet is inspired that
of a wolf, but then I then adapt

624
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,920
and adjust because I have
domesticated dogs.

625
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,800
The reason why I add vegetables
is because it's an excellent

626
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,760
source of fiber.
I add them for the antioxidants

627
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,960
I add them for.
I feel like it pushes you over

628
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,880
the top when it comes to certain
nutrients a little bit like now

629
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,720
let's just make sure we got
everything.

630
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,040
And then there's just all these
really amazing benefits that my

631
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,800
dogs can get from vegetables.
If they're fermented, then I'm

632
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,040
taking care of the gut health.
I'm making sure that they have a

633
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,120
diverse gut microbiome.
It's so much better to use

634
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,320
vegetables or fermented
vegetables or going back and

635
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,920
forth between both over a
supplement because you're

636
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,600
working with the dog's native
gut bacteria.

637
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,880
So if you have a dog that
already has a really, you know,

638
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,840
they're, they're, they're not
super compromised.

639
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,920
You can just keep it going with
vegetables.

640
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,280
I mean, I, I mean, and it's
funny because I posted an image

641
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,760
and a local veterinarian who is
like my hero, she commented.

642
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,080
And so I was just like, Oh my
God, Doctor Donna commented on

643
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,120
my post, but she just commented,
where are the vegetables?

644
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,960
And I was like, they're mixed in
because I do a grind, but yeah,

645
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,200
they're there.
And what's funny is that I add

646
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,920
way more vegetables than a lot
of people recommend because

647
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,680
there's my base mix.
But then I also use Gassy's gut,

648
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,000
which I now alternate with the
useful grasses and sprouts.

649
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,040
Sometimes, you know, in the
summer time, I grow my own

650
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,880
garden and I just basically
grind up the vegetables every

651
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,080
month and they're all in my
freezer and I use them year

652
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,320
round.
And so whenever I'm doing a meal

653
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:28,160
prep, I'm doing my base mix, but
I also will thaw out a jar of

654
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,760
vegetables and pour that into my
meal prep as well.

655
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,160
So I and then on top of that,
I'm using Gassy's gut.

656
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,960
And I mean, so I am vegetable
heavy in this house.

657
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,760
And the reason why is because
there are just so many amazing

658
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,320
benefits.
And I look at it as my dogs are

659
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,680
being hit with, you know, a
toxic world.

660
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,920
They aren't, although my dogs do
have a very good life for dogs

661
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,640
like today or this week I am.
I have a cold, so my dogs aren't

662
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,560
getting out as much as they
normally would.

663
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,440
It's, you know, if I'm also very
busy with my work.

664
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,360
So my dogs aren't getting out as
much as they are.

665
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,320
So it's sort of cooped up in the
house a little bit.

666
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,800
They're not living the life that
they would live if they were

667
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,720
living a perfect wildlife that
we're trying to replicate.

668
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,640
And so I kind of feel like in
some cases the vegetables are

669
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,520
making up for what I'm not able
to provide my dogs, what their

670
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,320
diet isn't able to provide
because, you know, the animals,

671
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,040
although my dogs are getting
like top of the line grass fed.

672
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,280
You know, Washington state is a
great state to be in to raise

673
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,160
raw fed dogs because we have
access to so many things where I

674
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,400
live.
So they're getting premium meat,

675
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,480
but it's still from ground
that's not as nutrient rich as

676
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,480
it should be.
So I feel like I'm making up for

677
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,920
that with the vegetables.
Should everyone do what I'm

678
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,600
doing?
Nah, you do you.

679
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,600
But I am always just blown away
by people who are like, dogs

680
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,160
don't need vegetables.
My dogs won't eat vegetables.

681
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,600
And I'm just like, really.
I mean, my dogs very rarely, if

682
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,760
I give them a vegetable, very
rarely.

683
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,360
We'll just, I tried to give them
carrots the other day and

684
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,040
they're just like, I don't even
understand what you're doing

685
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,480
right now.
Like they were not interested.

686
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,440
But then like a couple weeks
ago, I dropped a broccoli on the

687
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,600
ground and you would think I had
dropped the steak.

688
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,440
They were just like, what is
this?

689
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,920
And everyone had broccoli and
we're waiting for more.

690
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,120
So I don't know.
Yeah.

691
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,840
Well, and I think to go back to
that study of the wolves that

692
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:41,000
that was brought up, there are
so many things that we overlook

693
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:46,080
when we just look at the quote
UN quote, results of a study in

694
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,960
that one, for example, we're
completely overlooking the fact

695
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,120
that wolves live outdoors,
right?

696
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,920
And I know you have talked about
this before because, you know,

697
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,560
Rodney and Karen talk about this
so much that the one constant

698
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,800
and all of the oldest lived dogs
is how much time they spent

699
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,080
outdoors.
Most of them lived outdoors.

700
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:14,360
And so that does make up for SO.
Much when it comes to like the

701
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,240
gut microbiome and the immune
system health and like there's

702
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:23,120
so much that we're not taking
into account when we're just

703
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,200
looking at like they're eating
this and those dogs are eating

704
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,800
something different, right?
Like there's so much not being

705
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,400
taken into account.
Well, it goes to like the the

706
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,200
belief and I remember this the
first time I ever disagreed with

707
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,080
a raw feeder, like where I wrote
an article about it and

708
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,080
everything.
It was years ago where this guy

709
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,400
posted an article and it was
entitled something like Oprah

710
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:50,520
Winfrey feeds her dogs raw
because it prevents cancer or

711
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,320
something like that.
And I was just like, first of

712
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,240
all, how do you know what Oprah
Winfrey feeds her dogs?

713
00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,800
And and why are you saying it
prevents cancer?

714
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,760
And this is before I even had a
dog with cancer.

715
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,040
But that was like, if that
doesn't make sense to me.

716
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,080
It's like it's just one of
those.

717
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,760
There's so many reasons why a
dog would get cancer.

718
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,720
Wouldn't it be great if the only
thing all of us had to do was

719
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,120
eat fresh food and we would live
forever?

720
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,240
It's like it just couldn't be
that easy.

721
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,720
You know, when I see people post
things like, you know, telling

722
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:28,280
people if their dog died, well,
you should have fed raw and your

723
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,840
dog would have been fine.
And it's like, that's not true.

724
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,200
I've had two dogs with cancer.
They had everything.

725
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,520
They had the best diet, the best
life, and they still got cancer.

726
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,880
And granted, maybe there is
something that I was missing.

727
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,480
I don't know what it could have
been.

728
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,800
And I try not to dwell on that.
But I also don't want people

729
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,560
thinking that raw feeding is
this.

730
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,840
It's going to keep your dog
bulletproof.

731
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:59,480
So we do diet, we improve the
diet, but we also work on our

732
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,680
dogs developing a healthy gut
microbiome.

733
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,640
We work on making sure they get
plenty of exercise.

734
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,720
We make sure that they live in a
low toxic environment.

735
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:12,240
We make sure that they're
getting plenty of rest.

736
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,480
You know, we make sure that you
know, they touch grass and that

737
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,760
they're sniffing and they're
engaged.

738
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,280
There's so many things that are
important because as you said

739
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,040
about the dogs that live
outside, I've seen this with

740
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,160
kibble fed dogs that live a long
life.

741
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,400
One of the things personally
that I've witnessed with my

742
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,640
friends dogs is these are dogs
who they live on land and

743
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,520
they're running and active.
And I mean, I have a friend

744
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,280
whose dog has been dying for
several years now because he's

745
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,320
getting old, but he still goes
on long walks every day.

746
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:51,360
I mean, he's slowed down, but
not not a stranger would notice.

747
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,440
I noticed because I've known
this dog for a decade, but a

748
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,280
stranger wouldn't notice that
he'd slow down.

749
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,800
But it's just, you know, they're
outside.

750
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,520
Sometimes they're just laying in
the grass and up the sun.

751
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,480
Sometimes they're wandering
around the property.

752
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,880
But they are exposed to so much
outside.

753
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,280
And I think that that's, you
know, one thing that Doctor

754
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,240
Karen Becker said when we
interviewed her was that, you

755
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,040
know, you people who live in the
city, for instance, it's like

756
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,360
their dogs don't have access to
these type of things.

757
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,360
And she was like, go hiking or
take them to a park and let them

758
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,320
just walk around on the grass in
the park.

759
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:32,280
There are just so many things
that we don't think about when

760
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,000
we're trying to get our dogs to
live a long, healthy life.

761
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,800
We focus so heavily on diet that
we forget that there are all

762
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,480
these other things that we can
be doing, too, many of which are

763
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,480
free and uncomplicated, that we
need to add into the equation as

764
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,600
well.
Absolutely.

765
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,440
Well I I still have a ton of
questions but I'm wondering if

766
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,320
there's anything that just like
irks you so much that she wanted

767
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:58,080
to break up or many things.
I think it's like, I think the

768
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,920
thing that drives me absolutely
bonkers, and I mean it does and

769
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,520
it's the reason why because I
used to, people always ask why

770
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,720
don't you do this full time?
Is this your full time job?

771
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:10,760
No, it's not.
And the reason why is because I

772
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,280
don't want to depend on social
media and my blog for my main

773
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,120
income because I feel like when
you do that, you have to start

774
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,760
promoting things a lot.
And so one of the things that

775
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,680
drives me absolutely crazy is
this belief that our dogs have

776
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,040
to have certain things like
that.

777
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,960
They're, you know, you need to
buy all of these supplements and

778
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,840
you need to buy all of these
tools in order to have a healthy

779
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,560
dog.
And it's so not true for every,

780
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,960
well, I shouldn't say every, for
many supplements that are

781
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,200
promoted out there and even ones
that I use, there is a free

782
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,160
alternative that the average
person to do.

783
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,320
It may not be 100% free.
There may be some initial

784
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,040
outlay.
But you know, a great example is

785
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,320
I am absolutely in love with the
Gussie's Gut new product,

786
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,960
youthful grasses and sprouts.
I can also grow my own grasses

787
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,400
and sprouts.
I don't know how to ferment

788
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,440
them, but I can grow them myself
and add them to my dog's diet.

789
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,040
You know, I love Gussie's Gut
daily.

790
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,480
I could also grow my own
vegetables and ferment them and

791
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,680
add them to my dog's diet.
You know, when it comes to what

792
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,680
is it joint or not, joint
supplements, digestive

793
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,960
supplements.
Again, I can use fermented

794
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,080
vegetables.
I can use raw goat's milk.

795
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,960
I can make some kefir.
There are a lot of things out

796
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,080
there.
You don't have to buy the

797
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,360
commercial brands of things.
You can look and see if you have

798
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,880
a goat farm and how much, see
how much they charge for their

799
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,480
milk and buy milk that way.
There are just so many ways you

800
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,240
can cut corners.
And I think that for a lot of

801
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:50,080
people watching content creators
sharing what we're doing, they

802
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,840
can get kind of caught up in all
of the products on the counter

803
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,280
or the things that we're talking
about.

804
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,280
And I just want people to
understand the reason why I'm

805
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,680
able to do a lot of these things
is because I've been in this

806
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,600
business for over a decade.
I know a lot of people who are

807
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,760
very nice and send me things.
I also have a full time job so I

808
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,520
can go and get these things.
I live in an area that is

809
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,880
abundant of resources.
So I have a lot of friends who

810
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,800
are homesteaders who give me
things.

811
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,440
So I've had, I have access to a
lot of really great things, but

812
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,800
if you can't do what I'm doing,
for example, that doesn't mean

813
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,840
you can't feed raw or that you
can't do a good job.

814
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,600
Because when I first started and
learned initially from people

815
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:39,760
who got everything for free, I
mean, they were doing roadkill

816
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,200
and, you know, basically feeding
their dogs carcasses and, and

817
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,960
their dogs were thriving and
living long lives.

818
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,240
I don't recommend feeding dogs
that way, but from that

819
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:55,360
experience I do understand that
it doesn't have to cost hundreds

820
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,720
and hundreds of dollars per dog
to feed them fresh food.

821
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,120
Well, I think that is.
I don't know if you can hear my

822
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,000
husband in the background.
I apologize if you can.

823
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,560
You would be able to hear Johan
in the background.

824
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:12,320
That actually is a really great
place to mention that.

825
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,040
Kimberly has been on the podcast
a couple of times before.

826
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,720
Once we did talk about feeding a
raw food diet on a budget.

827
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:23,040
So if what Kimberly was just
talking about is like, oh, I

828
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,840
want to learn more about that
and how I can save money, go

829
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,600
back and check out that episode.
I'll link it in the show notes

830
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,240
as well.
And yeah, I think, gosh, there's

831
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:36,160
so many other things that I
wanted to to, to ask you, but.

832
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,400
Time.
I have time.

833
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:42,160
OK, let's let's do one more.
And I think this one, this one

834
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,320
is like top of mind with me
because I literally was just

835
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:50,920
creating recipes for somebody
and using various bones and she

836
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,120
was like, why?
Why is like all the proportions

837
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,400
of everything is changing and
I'm like, because bones aren't

838
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:02,440
interchangeable.
So a lot of people do find

839
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,880
recipes and they're like, well,
I can't find this ingredient or

840
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,880
I don't want to feed this
ingredient, let me just replace

841
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,040
it with something, bones being
one of them.

842
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:14,240
And for me, that's like, if all
you're going by is 1 recipe,

843
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:16,120
first of all, we need to improve
that.

844
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,400
But also no, please don't.
I remember when I used to have a

845
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,240
raw feeding group and I finally
given up on.

846
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:25,320
I am just not the type of person
that can have a raw feeding

847
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,200
group, but I remember someone
saying that they don't feed

848
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,000
their dogs bone.
They just feed their dogs

849
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,400
cottage cheese.
And I was just like, huh.

850
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,960
And at the time I, I mean, I, I
mean, I was a raw feeder, but

851
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,560
you know, I didn't, I hadn't
taken any of the certifications.

852
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,600
None of that was even around.
I think the only certification

853
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,640
that was around was Kosi and I
didn't know about that.

854
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,720
So I'm just sort of like, that
doesn't feel right.

855
00:48:50,720 --> 00:48:54,320
And I started emailing people
like, hey, is this OK?

856
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,000
And but I was just like, you
know what, you do you.

857
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,320
But I do find that, like, for
instance, people will try and

858
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,520
cut corners.
So, you know, you'll pay for one

859
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,760
recipe and then just swap out
the protein.

860
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:11,000
I mean, because technically with
my my recipes, all I'm doing is

861
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,840
swapping out the main protein
and everything else is kind of

862
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,920
the same.
But when you really dig into

863
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,960
what I'm doing, my organ blend
is always different.

864
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,080
The protein, the source might be
a little different because I

865
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,240
have two sources for pork, I
have two sources for beef.

866
00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:29,120
So everything changes a little
bit.

867
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:34,480
I understand that I am messing
up my recipe.

868
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,520
Like if I were to actually make
it balanced to the TI would be

869
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,800
messing it up by changing
anything in that recipe and I

870
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,280
have to basically fix and adjust
and I just don't want to do that

871
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,120
and I'm OK with that.
But if you buy one recipe, it's

872
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,640
just sort of like if you were to
nutrient test your dogs.

873
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,520
We have 4 dogs and you feel
they're all eating the exact

874
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,840
same diet.
I'll just nutrient test one of

875
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,320
the dogs and that'll tell me if
they're all doing OK.

876
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,040
What you're not thinking about
is that every dog is different

877
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:10,040
and so they may be absorbing
nutrients differently, and I

878
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,000
learned this with my dogs when I
tested them and Rodrigo came

879
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,520
back completely different than
everyone else.

880
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:21,560
He also had a digestive issue
that he digested, needed

881
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,520
digestive enzymes in all of his
meals in order to absorb

882
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,720
nutrients.
So that was why his was a little

883
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:30,920
bit off.
There could also be illnesses

884
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,760
that are happening with a dog
that may impact how they're

885
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:40,920
absorbing nutrients or how it
presents within a test.

886
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,800
You also may have just done
something wrong and you may not

887
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,640
have noticed and you're just
assuming that because this one

888
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,400
dog is fine.
Or maybe this one dog is a

889
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,080
little off and so now you're
assuming all the dogs are off

890
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,880
and that's not the case.
It's just sort of like it's so

891
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,720
important to treat every dog as
an individual and with each

892
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:02,040
recipe, it's so important to
individualize those recipes and

893
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:06,640
understand that although I
understand the goal of wanting

894
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,320
to save money, it's just not a
good idea to assume that if you

895
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,840
change one aspect of a recipe
that the rest of it is going to

896
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,600
be OK.
If your goal is balance per

897
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,600
meal, you really have to do the
work to balance per meal.

898
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,200
And that's where it's one of
those where you can either take

899
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,280
the time to educate yourself on
how to do that.

900
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,960
You can invest in formulation
software, or you can work with a

901
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,240
professional and maybe just
explain, hey, my budget is

902
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,760
tight.
Can you help me figure this out

903
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,160
so that I'm not spending all of
my money on just the recipe?

904
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:48,080
But yeah, I guess that's all.
Well, and that brings me to what

905
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,760
will be my final question for
you.

906
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,560
And here's my setup for that
question.

907
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:55,680
The idea and you were just
saying that you could nutrient

908
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,120
test one of your dogs and apply
it to all of your dogs made me

909
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:04,560
think of I've been on health
journey myself as I know you

910
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,320
have as well.
And I've been reading so many

911
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,560
books on fasting and glucose and
what to eat for my cycle and

912
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,040
what to eat.
Like so many things that.

913
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,520
And one of the things that
popped in my head when you were

914
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,840
saying that is that I've learned
that just because of food or a

915
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,880
drink, because there are a
handful that generally speaking

916
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,240
won't technically break a fast
for most people.

917
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,440
That's not true for everyone
depending on your individual gut

918
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,880
microbiome.
And that was kind of what popped

919
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,360
into my head.
And so I'm like, OK, this is a

920
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,280
good segue into one of the
things I'm trying to do this

921
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:46,760
year in the podcast is
incorporate just a teeny tiny

922
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,280
bit of humans, specifically
women, because that's the my

923
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,880
primary demographic health,
because this is the pet

924
00:52:54,880 --> 00:53:00,240
parenting reset, which is of
course all about making our pets

925
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,120
happy and healthy.
But part of that is keeping

926
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,960
ourselves healthy as well.
And so I'm trying to incorporate

927
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,240
that a little bit more into the
podcast this year.

928
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,720
So I'm sure there are a billion
things that you have learned

929
00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:15,440
from caring for your dogs over
the past decade plus that you

930
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,320
have realized I can make these
adjustments in my life too.

931
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:24,280
And I know you have been on that
journey, especially in the past

932
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,280
couple of years.
What are some of the things that

933
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,920
you have found have been made
like the biggest impact for you

934
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,800
and improving your own health?
Decreasing the amount of carbs I

935
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,160
consume.
I don't eat a carnivore diet,

936
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:44,120
but I do eat a protein heavy
diet, so high fat, high protein,

937
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,800
low carb diet.
And I know that when I do

938
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,920
consume, I don't know where my
limit is, but I can always, I

939
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,320
know when I've hit it because I
feel like crap and I'm, you

940
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,360
know, I'm sluggish and all of
that.

941
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,840
I'm also anemic.
So I started instead of taking

942
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:04,320
on synthetic iron tablets, which
really never did much for me, I

943
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:08,800
switched to freeze dried organs
and I started with spleen just

944
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,640
to get myself to be normalized,
went to liver and then now I'm

945
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,520
just doing all organs and that
is amazing.

946
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:21,120
And also real mushrooms.
Adding mushrooms to my diet has

947
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,200
been absolutely just game
changing and immediately so.

948
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,120
And the first thing I realized,
the first benefit I saw was I've

949
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,040
also had severe environmental
allergies all my life.

950
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,960
And probably this this spring, I
started real mushrooms.

951
00:54:37,240 --> 00:54:39,640
I can't remember which year, I
think it was like 2 years ago.

952
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,880
I started in the winter.
That spring.

953
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,320
I was talking on the phone with
my boss and he just noticed I

954
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,040
wasn't stuffed up.
And I was like, he's like, oh,

955
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,960
did you find a allergy medicine
that works?

956
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,080
And I was like, no, I'm not
taking allergy medicine.

957
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,720
And like, why aren't That's a
weird question.

958
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,600
And I'm like, what's the
mushrooms?

959
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,120
I bet you.
And sure enough, I that made me

960
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,680
so happy.
But what I found was that even

961
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:06,000
now, like this week, I have a
really crappy cold.

962
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,720
But I feel like today my colds
feel like that feeling of coming

963
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,960
down with the cold or that
feeling of getting over a cold.

964
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,640
I never quite get into just the
ugly part of the cold because

965
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,920
and I don't take any cold men.
I should say I rarely take cold

966
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,760
medicine.
But, you know, and going to

967
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,720
balance, which we discussed
earlier, adding things like

968
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:32,640
making sure I'm getting enough
vitamin D in my diet, magnesium

969
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:36,960
in my diet, there's some vitamin
K, There's so many things that

970
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,880
we as humans aren't getting in
our diet.

971
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,480
And we sit there and we say
things like, I don't balance my

972
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,440
diet.
Why should I balance my dog's

973
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,440
diet?
Yet we have anxiety, we have

974
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,440
depression.
We're, you know, overweight.

975
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:53,440
We're not getting good sleep,
you know, we have aches and

976
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,440
pains and we're not thinking
about the fact that how much of

977
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:01,080
that goes to what we're
consuming.

978
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,040
I mean, we're just trusting that
the food industry is giving us

979
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:09,360
what we need, that when we go
and order, like when I go to

980
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,360
restaurants now, I'm hesitant to
buy or order so many things

981
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,160
because I don't know what's
cooked in.

982
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,680
It's like, was it cooked in
butter or was it cooked in

983
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,920
canola oil?
And usually the wing staff

984
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,920
doesn't know either.
So I find it easier to just, you

985
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,680
know, I go out with my friends
and I'll have a drink and I'll

986
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:30,160
have something small, but to get
most of my food at home where I

987
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,280
can now control the ingredients.
And so that was another thing

988
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,320
like the sourcing, there's so
many things that we can pick up.

989
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:41,760
And truly, I mean, a lot of
these things you would think

990
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:47,640
take time, but like my body was,
was like, yes, finally she got

991
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,240
it.
And like within a month I would

992
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,560
see a difference.
And now it's been a couple of

993
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:56,480
years and yeah, I, I feel really
great.

994
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,880
I sleep great.
I actually feel my anxiety

995
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,000
happening and can adapt and
adjust naturally with CBD oil.

996
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,240
Those are the type of things.
And it's like, I've been doing

997
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:11,080
this with my dogs for over a
decade, but it took me all that

998
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,640
time to go, huh?
I wonder how I'd feel.

999
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,320
Yeah, yeah, I feel the same way.
Yeah, I've been taking beef

1000
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:26,320
organs for close to three years
now and I definitely especially

1001
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,080
at first noticed a huge
difference.

1002
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,800
I would recently made an
adjustment after having AI had I

1003
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,840
actually had a session with
magical mutts Michelle Michelle

1004
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,600
Thomas for my dog Kim.
She doesn't she just lets

1005
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,160
whatever come through come
through.

1006
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,080
She spent so much time on me and
she was like, you need more fat

1007
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,880
in your diet.
So I have actually been taking

1008
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,160
fat pills.
Basically they're like kidneys

1009
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,240
to it and stuff like that.
So I'm like, OK, we'll, we'll

1010
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,000
get some more fat and you know,
more avocados, more butter, more

1011
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,160
tallow.
Like I've, I've been really

1012
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,280
trying to increase the fat in my
diet.

1013
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,280
Apparently I'm, I'm very fat.
Adapt.

1014
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,840
Well, it's, that's another
beautiful thing about TikTok is

1015
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,840
that I started getting recipes
coming through my feet and I was

1016
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,880
just like, especially if it's
something simple.

1017
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:25,000
So recently I made these avocado
patties and I basically it was 2

1018
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,440
avocados in a bowl, mushed them
up.

1019
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,480
I added one egg.
I can added one or two eggs.

1020
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,600
I honestly don't remember, but I
did add 2 cups of Parmesan

1021
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,520
cheese, mixed it all together,
smashed it into patties, baked

1022
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:43,240
it for 20 minutes and then ate
it with like a burger Patty with

1023
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,880
it.
Delicious.

1024
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,600
They were ahead.
It does sound delicious.

1025
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,360
Yeah, and it's just like, you
know, this nice healthy fat and

1026
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,400
protein meal.
I love that.

1027
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,480
I think I'm going to try that,
especially with my hamburger

1028
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,360
because I am not a huge fan of
hamburger meat.

1029
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,200
I don't like the texture.
I'm such a child.

1030
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,760
I have a child's palate.
I would much prefer to eat like

1031
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,600
a steak or a piece of chicken or
something, just that textural

1032
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,040
difference.
So yeah, I have to.

1033
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,200
I have to give myself something
to like, choke down hamburger

1034
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:22,840
meat.
Yeah, I mean, you can, you can

1035
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,840
eat it as patties.
The first video I saw of it,

1036
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,200
they did, they made fries.
They just put it in like in

1037
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:30,200
little rectangular thing to make
fries.

1038
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,440
And they hadn't, I don't know
what the dip was, but someone I

1039
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,680
was looking for it on YouTube
and found it.

1040
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,040
And this woman made patties and
she was she actually used it and

1041
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,280
made it as a burger and she used
ESOP.

1042
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,880
And I do do it that way.
But yeah, but yeah, it was

1043
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,960
really good.
I mean, and so it's like it's

1044
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,040
it's kind of fun and easy.
Of course, my dogs aren't used

1045
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,200
to me being in the kitchen
unless I'm making something for

1046
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,240
them.
So whenever I'm cooking food,

1047
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:57,440
even though they just ate,
everyone's parked ready for

1048
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,920
their next meal.
It's like, no, this is not for

1049
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,680
you, this is for me.
Well, I I love that you're doing

1050
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,760
that, that you are healthier and
happier.

1051
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:12,080
You definitely are glowing and I
appreciate that you were kind

1052
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,240
enough to share some of what
you're doing with us.

1053
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,760
So, OK, National Raw Feeding
Rate Week just started today,

1054
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,360
April first.
What is kind of your hope that

1055
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,880
people take away from National
Raw Feeding Week?

1056
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,600
Well, usually I interview tons
of people every day throughout

1057
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,960
the week.
And to be honest, I hated it.

1058
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,880
Absolutely hated it.
It's so freaking much work with

1059
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,080
the editing and the scheduling
and everything.

1060
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:41,040
So this week or this year, this
year, I just want to post my

1061
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,880
recipes.
And so I was going to do 1:00

1062
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,440
every single day just to show
people that it's easy.

1063
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:51,360
And I want people to just see
that this isn't something scary.

1064
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,880
You can find people to follow.
You don't have to make an

1065
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,440
immediate change if you're not
comfortable making a change.

1066
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,240
And when I was new to rock
feeding, it took me probably

1067
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:04,080
four or five months, maybe even
six months before I actually

1068
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:09,400
started trying to make a change.
But just do one thing, one thing

1069
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:14,040
and start going from there and
take your time, you know, enjoy

1070
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,560
the content and understand that
there, there is a lot of stuff

1071
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,920
that you can pay for.
You can pay for courses, you can

1072
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:24,040
pay for consultations.
But all of us who are in this

1073
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:28,440
community, whether we charge for
things or not, are sharing free

1074
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,960
content.
So it's like soak it up and get

1075
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,600
get that idea of the things that
you have to do.

1076
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:38,800
It's not meant to be judgmental.
It's not meant to be bullying or

1077
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,680
pressuring.
It's just meant to share and let

1078
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,840
people know that there is
something that you can do

1079
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,120
because we love our animals so
much.

1080
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:50,640
We know that everyone else loves
their animals so much and we

1081
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,600
want to see them live longer,
happy, healthier lives.

1082
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,560
And diet is one of those paths
to getting there.

1083
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,200
And so, you know, just check us
out.

1084
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,160
Yeah, I'm so glad you said that
because I try to.

1085
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,200
That's why I started this
podcast is because I try to live

1086
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:13,680
by the motto in business that
you put your best stuff out

1087
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,760
there for free and then people
will come find you.

1088
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,560
And so that's what I've been
trying to do with this podcast,

1089
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,560
is put the best stuff out there
for free for people to learn and

1090
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:28,160
grow.
And yeah, like you could do so

1091
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:33,080
much just by listening to it and
your podcast, by the way, which

1092
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,040
I got.
I was trying to get out at the

1093
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,320
beginning.
Alternative Dog Moms with Aaron.

1094
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,560
Yeah, and that's the other thing
is I want this week to also be a

1095
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:47,080
push for people who are, whether
you're feeding raw, cooked or

1096
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,360
just adding fresh food to
kibble, whatever you're doing to

1097
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,920
help your dog live a longer,
happier, healthier lives,

1098
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,960
whether it's, you know, I take
my dog hiking every weekend.

1099
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,920
I want more people to start
putting that content out there.

1100
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,160
I don't.
I rarely put myself on camera.

1101
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,320
It's all about my dogs.
You don't have to worry about.

1102
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,760
I don't want to be on camera or
I don't know how to.

1103
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,520
It's so easy to do this and, and
what's amazing is that there are

1104
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,600
so many of us who are more than
happy to share tips and tools.

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I went to coffee with a friend
the other day and gave her all

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of my tips.
This is everything that I'm

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doing to create content that
makes it easier.

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And there's so many free tools
out there to help you do it.

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If you have a a smartphone and
you have the social media apps,

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you can start creating content
about what you're doing right

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now and people will love and
appreciate it.

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01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,400
You may not become, you know,
have $1,000,000.

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01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,600
Yeah.
But to be perfectly honest, do

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you really want that?
Have you ever drove into the

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01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,360
comments of someone who was
super famous?

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01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,160
It's not a fun place to be.
But you know, people, even if

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it's just family and friends,
people will listen.

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01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:58,160
I mean, it's amazing how I've
had friends.

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01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,360
My friends now called me and
stuff where I didn't realize

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that they followed me and
family, but they do and so it's

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01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,600
amazing how many people you can
impact by just sharing what

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you're doing.
So be brave.

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01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,280
I love that and thank you so
much for being here and

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01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,040
goodness, there's there's so
much.

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01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,520
But it doesn't have to be
overwhelming as you have said.

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01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,240
And check out Kimberly's content
all the time, but especially

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01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,760
this week for National Raw
Feeding Week so you can get an

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01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:31,600
idea of how simple it really can
be and how you can do it too.

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01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,320
Thank you so much for being
here, Kimberly.

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01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:35,000
Thank you.
Thanks for having me.

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01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,120
All right guys, y'all have a
great rest of your week and I

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will talk to you next week.