196. Beyond Needles and Pills: The Radical Truth About Healing Pets – with Dr. PJ Broadfoot

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Welcome back, pet parent.
Today I have one of the coolest

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guests I could possibly have for
you.

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And I don't say that just
because she's staring at me on

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the screen right now.
I say that because I got to meet

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her about a year and a half ago
at the HVMA conference in San

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Diego and she just blew me away
with how casually she's just

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like knows so much.
And I, I love it.

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I love that she's so willing to
not only help her animal

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patients, but to help other
people do better with their

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animal patients.
And so I, I would love to

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welcome a recipient of the
Carvel.

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I is it Teichert?
Teichert, a recent recipient of

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the Carvel Tikkert Lifetime
Achievement Award at the

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American Holistic Veterinary
Medical Association.

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Doctor PJ Broadfoot, thank you
so much for being here with us

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today.
Thanks for inviting me.

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Just I am great.
Well, I say that it is cold here

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and I don't like cold weather.
I mean, I left Kansas because I

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didn't like cold weather and I
think it followed me to

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Arkansas.
It's like been in the teens and

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supposed to get down into the
single digits, which is

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generally not in Arkansas.
It's not going to last very

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long, but it kind of feels like
I'm into Arctic, so, you know.

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I can't.
I can't even.

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I'm in Central Texas and I
definitely did not come here to

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yesterday.
Wake up to 21°.

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I'm like, what is going on?
Yeah, we at least didn't get the

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8 inches of snow they got in
Northwest Arkansas.

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We got we get just got an inch
so but it is cold.

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It's been really cold.
Well, you know, spring is spring

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is coming, so something to look
forward to.

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We're we're over the hump of the
middle of winter at least that's

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right.
So hopefully spring will be here

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before we know it, but you have
been a practicing veterinarian

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for quite some time and you are
not only into some really cool

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holistic modalities, but some
that I had never heard of and

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probably more that I have still
not heard of, which isn't, you

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know, a big leap.
But I just, it amazes me how

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much there is out there.
And I'd love to start off just

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by getting a brief synopsis of
like your story and how you got

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to be where you are and how much
you love animals and all of.

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That jazz.
Well, I got into veterinary

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medicine.
I I'm actually from a very

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medical family.
My stepdad was, my real dad was

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a doctor, he was a neurologist.
My stepdad was an internist

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cardiologist.
My grandfather was a General

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practitioner.
They didn't specialize in those

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days.
And interestingly enough, the

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person that he had take care of
his family back in the 30s

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probably was a homeopath, an MD
homeopath before the Flexner

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report completely squashed
homeopathy in the United States.

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So, but so my step dad was
really, really open to all kinds

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of stuff.
They used homeopathy and his

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family and he actually used an
herbal for hypertension in his

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patients.
So, you know, he just had a, he

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never, he never believed the
statin stuff, the cholesterol

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stuff, you know, he was kind of
a skeptic of a lot of those

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things.
So medicine was just kind of in

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the just in the genes, I guess
was in my family.

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When I decided I was going to go
to vet school, my stepdad said,

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honey, don't you want to be a
real doctor?

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We'd we'd laugh.
We joked for years that I didn't

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want to be an Rd. want to be a
DVM, not an RDA real doctor.

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So, and you know, with time, he
kind of he came to terms he had

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one of his other kids, one of
my, my younger sister became an

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MD.
So he got an MD out of the out

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of the sibling bunch.
So he was fine.

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And then we've got the like,
I've got a, he's going to Med

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school, a nephew that is a, is a
anesthesiologist.

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My son is a pathologist.
So like we've contributed more

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to the, the human side of it.
Not one of my four children

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wanted to be veterinarians.
It's kind of sad.

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I think that dragged him out of
bed at 3:00 in the morning to go

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on emergency calls, probably
broken any aspirations of being

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veterinarians.
So so anyway, I went to bed

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school and and the first my
first introduction to anything

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holistic in the veterinary
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We actually at K state of all
places, which is obviously not

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one of your alternative
medicine, integrative medicine

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kinds of schools had a couple of
acupuncture's come in and talk

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to the student chapter AM A A/B
MA and so I knew there was

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something else out there.
It was the first time I'd heard

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of acupuncture, but I knew that
there were other things out

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there.
So kind of gave me just an

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inkling that that we didn't what
we learned in Med school wasn't

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all there was to know and that
school just left all kinds of

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trails of odds and ends of
things.

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They talked about actually fecal
microbial transplant, that I'm

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old.
I got out in 1981 and they

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talked about fecal microbial
transplants.

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The first one I ever did was in
1981 on a horse when I worked on

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the the set of the Blue and the
Gray, which was a mini series

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that was done back then.
I had a horse that colic and he

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was a valuable horse.
None of the drugs touched him.

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I mean, none of them.
So I remembered something, you

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know, one of those offhand
comments that one of the

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clinicians made and I took poop
from several different horses

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and meals and I put it down with
a nasal gastric tube and it was

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like miraculous.
And I then I didn't do it again

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for about 30 years, which is
really stupid, but but I got

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that, you know, little bit of
information in that school.

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And then they talked about
butazolidin was retarded bone

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healing and race horses.
So I knew back in the that as

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far back as the 70s, we knew
that non steroidals retarded

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healing, but you know, when you
get out of school and that all

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you have is Butte and aspirin
and Arquel, which didn't last

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very long in the market.
So I'm guessing it was deadly.

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And that was before the
Internet.

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So I don't really even know what
happened to it, but it just kind

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of disappeared.
Learned about autologous blood

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therapy of all things from a cow
vet who said, well, you know, if

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you can't get that cow over it,
take a slug of blood out of the

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jugular and put it back in the
hip.

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And at the time I thought what a
weird thing to say.

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But, you know, then I started
learning about autologous blood

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therapies when I started doing a
lot of the homotox stuff.

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And for years I lectured for
years on on autologous blood

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therapies.
And I finally went down a rabbit

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hole with it that had to have
come from somewhere in the

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United States.
And because why would that

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veterinarian K State have even
mentioned that?

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And it turns out that AMD named
Rosenau, I think was doing

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autologous blood therapy in at
GOSH, one of the big schools,

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Mayo Clinic, Mayo Clinic, he was
doing, he was doing blood

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therapies.
So but you know, you can't

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patent blood.
So it kind of fell out of favor,

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but it's, it's an immensely
valuable form of therapy because

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it's basically body specific
immunotherapy.

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So, you know, they were, and
there were other things, you

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know, that people just mentioned
in, in that school that steroids

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should be a line of last resort
and things that kind of colored

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my, my looking for other things
when I got out.

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And then when I got out, God
just dropped things in my lap.

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Every once in a while I was
like, here, look at this, look

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at that.
And then I get a case that

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nothing else would work on and
then you'd have to be looking

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for something else.
That's how I got started on

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homotox.
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I learned when I was in Germany,
couldn't find any thymus

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extracts when I got home, but I
learned about it there.

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And then someone happened just
walk in my clinic one day that

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was a Rep for one of, for a
different company that I mean,

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this thymus extract wasn't,
wasn't handled by anybody.

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And he said, are you interested
in thymus extracts?

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It's like, my gosh, yes.
And about two weeks later I got

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a box in the mail from Hawaii,
these little lyophilized vials

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and a diluent.
And I thought, I have no idea

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what to do with this at this
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What I learned about it for was
cancer, didn't have a cancer

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case at the time, but then I got
a last ditch in for case on the

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cat and I gave it to him because
absolutely nothing else worked.

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And that's why you get those is
so that you use them and then

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you're down bad.
You're down that track.

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We've used it on thousands of
cases since that that cat's name

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was Stevie.
And we've used it on thousands

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of cases since then.
So, you know, so it's one thing

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after another that just, you
know, here, try this.

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Yes, Oh my goodness, there's so
much, so much in there.

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I think to be to be learned.
But what are so a couple of the

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things that I had never heard of
thymus extract before I met you

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and I had heard but had not
really utilized deer antler

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velvet.
Yes.

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And and so those are a couple of
things that I find incredibly

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intriguing in both cases.
What are they?

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How do you use them?
It sounds like with Thymus you

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use it for quite a bit.
Yeah, just about everything.

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Basically it's the linchpin of
the immune system.

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So it helps to balance,
counterbalance the T threes, T

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fours.
So whether you've got a hyper

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immune state or a hypo immune
state, whether you've got cancer

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or autoimmunity or inflammation,
it actually has some anti shock

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effects.
It's just an amazing, but you

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know, you think about it, the
linchpin of the immune system,

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it shrinks with age doesn't mean
it does not work at all anymore,

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but and you can regrow thymus,
which I think is pretty

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interesting, but it's so
integral to to the immune

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system, which is the center
point of everything.

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So, you know, we use it off
label as an as an injectable

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often, more often than not as an
autologous blood therapy.

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And we use it.
You can use it in acupuncture

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points.
I do quack you puncture.

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I only know a few good points.
I've learned a few here and

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there and I put them in those
points and I know you know which

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ones to use.
You can use it sub Qi am.

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It's just an absolutely amazing
therapy.

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And, you know, we've done a lot
of lectures on cases that we've

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had that have just been, you
know, kind of the blow you away,

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you know, just, you know, that's
what worked.

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So thymus extract's been a, a
big part of my armamentarium

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probably for about 12 years or
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Deer antler was kind of funny
because I happened to they, they

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were at a H VMA1 year.
The New Zealand people were, and

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I had kind of, I walked or was
walking around the exhibit hall

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and I the thing that attracted
me to it wasn't the deer antler,

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which I didn't know anything
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It was the fact that they used
turnip and which is the

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Greenland muscle and Perna
changed the way I practiced

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medicine back about 1980 three
1984 because it's so

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regenerative.
It has anti-inflammatory

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capabilities.
It has 9 glycosaminoglycans, 53

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fatty acids, three of which are
that we know are

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anti-inflammatory.
So the only I have always used

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Detrascience and that's the and
that changed the way I practiced

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literally because I knew non
steroidals retarded healing

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because the thing that actually
recruits stem cells for healing

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is the inflammation.
So if you give an

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anti-inflammatory in an acute
injury, you have retarded

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healing on a cellular level.
So what?

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So when I ran across the Perna,
that just completely changed the

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way I practice because there was
something else that you could

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use in an acute injury or in
chronic injuries.

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We use it for dogs with, you
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Interestingly enough, it can
also help with, you know,

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bladder disease in cats because
and and gastrointestinal issues

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because it has an
acetylglucosamine in it, which

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is the primary coder of the
mucus membranes.

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So, yeah, we had a cat that had
been on antibiotics like

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forever.
I just one after another.

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And I don't like antibiotics to
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I really do test them now.
I use them every once in a

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while.
But you know, they they have to

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best be a clear indication for
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But this cat, it was just, it
was driving me crazy because we

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just kept, you know, she beyond
the antibiotics she'd clear up.

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A few weeks later, she'd back in
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I don't know what it is, but I
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that time had Perna.
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anymore, but it was like a broad
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supplement.
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cleared up and was years went
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you know, year.
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really what a component of that
helped until there was an

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actually a journal article that
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glycans for cats with cystitis.
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permanent.
So we have used Perna and or an

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acetal glucosamine now for
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So and an acetal glucosamine has
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people with IBS, IBD and it can
reduce the stress that gut brain

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highway thing.
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there's no research on it.
I looked at least there wasn't a

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few years ago, but there were a
lot of people who took an acetal

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glucosamine that said that their
stress levels reduced remarkably

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when they were taking in a seed
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So yeah, always there's always
new stuff to learn.

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So anyway, back to the how I end
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I I digress a lot, I think.
Yeah, they had Pernet.

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They had this product called
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dog agility or something.
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and Perna.
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really don't know anything about
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And I didn't at that time didn't
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anything else for the arthritis.
But at an ABC one year, I was

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invited to a dinner with a bunch
of veterinarians from Israel and

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most of them used the deer
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And I thought, well, you know,
there's, there's enough people

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here that find it useful that I,
I went ahead and got some of it.

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it had been actually was doing

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better.
She had been improving with

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time.
But when she came into my

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practice, she had been, she'd
had a cruciate surgery done a

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year or so before and the
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She never used the leg.
She was just packing that leg.

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started blowing the other

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cruciate.
I mean, she was, couldn't squat

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to pee.
And so the owner, you know, told

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me, he said, you know, if you
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have to put her down because she
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You know, nothing like being
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homeopathics.

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We were doing injections on her.
And then I sent her to a friend

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of mine who does Prolow therapy.
I don't, I don't inject joints.

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It makes me nervous.
So he did, he was doing quite a

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bit of Prolow at the time.
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improved her.
So we were getting some, you

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know, we were we were moving in
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We did some supplements on her
and then I had gotten the deer

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antler permit and I said, let's
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Her name was Cassie and she was
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She was just a weenie about it.
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antler.
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very long.
That dog was running and both

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legs, I mean using both legs,
including the leg that she

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hadn't used in a year.
So when I was hooked, because,

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yeah, when you think about it,
deer antler is the only

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mammalian tissue that
regenerates every year.

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It goes from a blastema to a
rack.

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It grows an inch or two a day.
Those there's called service

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Elvis is is the variety in New
Zealand that they harvest those

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from an inch or two a day.
That is a phenomenal rate of

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regeneration.
So you can imagine that there's

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a lot of regenerative potential
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So it's a we've used, we, we use
a lot of it.

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formula that has deer antler,

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Perna thymus colostrum and an
algae.

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And the algae that I wanted was
is AFA algae, which is grown in,

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which grows in a lake in Oregon.
And it also was another game

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changer in my practice.
I love blue-green algae, but

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they don't grow.
They don't have anything like

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that in New Zealand.
It's a cold water algae and it

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grow the lakes that it grows in
is frigid.

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I tried to walk through the
headwaters of it one year and I

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levitated out of the water.
It was so cold, I couldn't walk.

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There was people swimming in
that I could, I could even walk

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in it.
It's freezing.

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So, but to, to maintain cellular
integrity in that cold, cold

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lake, the those that algae has
to put a lot of omega-3 fatty

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acids into the cell wall.
So it is literally the bottom of

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the food chain for omega-3 fatty
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So, and we've made a powder in
the clinic.

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We, you know, we don't, it's not
commercially available at this

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point in time, but we have added
that, that blue-green algae to

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our powder at the clinic.
But the one that they still make

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in New Zealand has a red algae,
which it was kind of a funny

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deal I was looking for.
I was looking for an algae that

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they harvested in New Zealand
and I found this kind of a

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abstract on a study that was
where it showed that the they

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were using this particular
algae, red algae, but it turned

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the oil green.
And I said, well, it has to be,

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it has to have, it has to have
chlorophyll.

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I was looking for chlorophyll.
Chlorophyll is a base.

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The body can actually nearly
free substitute the iron

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molecule into the algae to make
blood.

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So it's a blood builder.
It's a blood builder.

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My mother went from a hemoglobin
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I'm just taking the blue-green
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So anyway, I was looking for a
green algae and but there was,

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it was just an abstract.
I couldn't get the paper.

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So I contacted Barry and the
lady who'd done the the work was

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in Christchurch, New Zealand.
And she said, so she, he calls

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me and he said, hey guy.
I saw that she was in

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Christchurch, so I rang her next
thing I know.

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So I'm talking to this, this
researcher who's probably kind

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of thrilled that somebody
actually read her paper.

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And she said, Oh yeah, that is
a, that is a green algae in a

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red coat.
So it actually does have

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chlorophyll in it.
And that's, so that's what's in

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the what's called pentagenesis,
which is the, the algae

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combination that with the thymus
and the colostrum and the, and

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the antler and the perna.
So it's a, it's has been, that

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has been a really, really good
combination for a lot of dogs

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for a lot of different
combinations of problems.

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So use a lot of that one.
I mean, I feel like that's

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enough.
And for me, like people can,

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can, could stop there if they
wanted to.

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Please don't because there's so
much more coming, but they could

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stop there and be like, you blew
my mind.

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I need to think on this for a
couple of days and I'm going to

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come back and listen to that was
so much.

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Yeah, well, that's kind of The
funny thing.

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That's why modus operandi is I
use something and then if it

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works, then I have to know why.
So then I then then I'm down

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rabbit holes for days or weeks
on end.

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Actually, we're getting ready to
to hopefully develop a thymus

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book.
But when we went to, when I went

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to gather the data that I have,
I have like 34 of information on

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thymus extract alone.
So there's there.

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There's not a large language
model right now that can handle

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that.
Now Neo, which is now I take it

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back, I think he's, I think his
new, the new one is called

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Enoch.
But Mike Adams, who's the health

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Ranger has developed a large
language model that probably can

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handle all that data.
And part of the reason there's

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so much of it is I've got videos
and pictures and, and there's so

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much data to collate that needs
to be kind of put in a framework

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that that's digestible.
So, and then I, we did, I did

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that 7 hours of video of an
interview with Doctor Ushishima

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that developed the thymus
extract.

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So 7 hours of conversation with
the absolute one of the most

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brilliant people on the planet.
So you know, that that's a lot

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to kind of distill down too.
And a lot of the, a lot of the

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things that I used it for were
because of things that he's, you

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know, would say like in passing.
It's like they, he said that

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they had a dozen patients with
end stage emphysema that they

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gave.
Well, one of the docs I was

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working with him said, hey, he
did this at work.

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If we nebulized it and he said
no, they did it anyway.

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They got no less than 100%
improvement in lung function on

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these people with end stage
emphysema.

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The average was 300% improvement
in lung function.

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Some of those people went back
to smoking.

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It's like in the world, why
would you do that?

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Yeah, but some of them went to
get back to playing golf.

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I mean, they got their lives
back and these were people that

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were living on oxygen.
So, you know, and then just it's

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like every time you talk to
them, there's some other story.

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They had 30 some patients that
went into remission with end

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stage cancers with Lymus is
great.

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Some of those things that works
better with the Synergist so

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BCGSPL colostrum.
So they had but just really

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fascinating cases and the, you
know, first place they used it,

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he used it was for with calf
syndrome, which was, I don't

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know if they ever did actually
figure out what the causing of

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Organism was, but they they
assume it's a virus or maybe a

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retrovirus.
But these these cows would drop

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calves and they wouldn't get up.
They just died.

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So the, you know, producers are
just in our panic.

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And I think I remember this when
I was in vet school this week,

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calf syndrome.
And of course, I was long before

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the Internet, so I hadn't been
able to find anything on it.

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But one thing that they found
when Doctor Ushujima did the

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necropsies on them was their
thymus was shrunken down enough

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virtually they were, He said,
where'd he put the thymus in

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cattle?
He's Japanese.

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So sometimes some of the things
he says are they, they sound

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kind of funny.
I love it.

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So anyway, they, they didn't,
they found virtually no thymus.

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And then, you know, they should
be big in a, in a newborn.

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So he happened to read, you
know, another one of those God

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things.
He just just happened to read

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some research articles by a
researcher, Dave Goldstein, who

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was doing work on thymus
extract.

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So they did a crude extract and
they said well, just to give

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this much, inject this much,
three, you know, 3 * 3 doses and

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the producers are in a week or
two, they're just smiling ear to

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ear saying hey, doc, we got a
problem.

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They're smiling.
They were having to rope them to

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give them a third dose.
And these were cats that were

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dying.
So, you know, that was pretty

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amazing.
And then they did respiratory

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syncytial virus in pigs and
stopped losses at a hog farm.

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And so, you know, then it got
legs.

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The other MD's got very involved
in it.

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They did, they had a case of a
young woman who had internal

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Scleroderma, which is a death
sentence basically.

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And they had said Scleroderma
was one of the, the things they

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weren't going to treat because
it was so resistant to any kind

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of treatment.
Well, this happened to be the

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niece of one of the MD's that
was working with him.

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So they gave her the, the thymus
extract and she went into

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remission.
So, and they tried to send that

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information to the, you know,
the Scleroderma people.

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You know, there's all these
societies that are always

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looking for money.
Nobody was interested.

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We had, we had a couple of dogs
with alopecia Eck, which is a,

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you know, genetic thing where
they kind of end up looking like

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a lion with no hair and
exception weird Tufts on

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different parts of the body.
And we had several of those that

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grew coat back, completely grew
their coats back.

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00:24:16,360 --> 00:24:20,640
And so I tried to contact the
like the people that were, were

442
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,240
the alopecia X people never
heard back from them.

443
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,160
So I know it's like, how much do
you really want to know?

444
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,640
And how hard would it be to do a
short trial?

445
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,120
There's a lot of alopecia X dogs
out there, so I had one in my

446
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:36,480
practice.
We treated 1, the caisson in

447
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,320
California that completely grew
her coat.

448
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,000
So, you know, we we had pretty
yeah, had pretty good luck with

449
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,720
it.
So that was that was actually

450
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,800
with algae.
The first one that I treated was

451
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:52,560
algae and penta.
So the you know and then the but

452
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,440
the dog in California only got
penta but their network

453
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,360
combination.
Well, so, OK, I have to ask

454
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:07,000
because it's obviously
miraculous what it does, but one

455
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,000
of the things that comes to mind
with any supplement that I'm

456
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,040
looking at is how are we getting
it?

457
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:21,360
Like, and I don't, I don't say
that to be like we shouldn't be

458
00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:23,160
using it.
But you know, you brought up

459
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,840
colostrum, which I do use
sometimes with, with some

460
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,840
animals that I'm working with.
But I know there are, you know,

461
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,880
moral and ethical issues around
it.

462
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,800
How do we get the thymus
extract?

463
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,120
And are there issues that that
we need to be aware of?

464
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,160
Well, the thymus extract can be
actually you can use it from any

465
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,480
species.
Basically thymus is thymus.

466
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,040
Most of it comes from the the
slaughterhouses.

467
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,640
So, you know, it'll be one of
those things that be thrown away

468
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:57,280
or put into animal feed or
whatever it it is.

469
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,640
You know, the more sustainably
you can resource it, the better.

470
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:09,160
I had a had a encounter with
the, what was she naturopath, I

471
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,320
think, in Chicago a few years
ago.

472
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,480
And her mother was treated with
thymus extract for an autoimmune

473
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,000
condition, if I recall
correctly.

474
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,680
And they were using rabbit
thymus.

475
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,440
I wrote they were, yeah, they
were extracting that evidently

476
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,040
probably from one of the bigger
slaughterhouses.

477
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,360
When I was lecturing in Lyon,
Mexico, many years ago, there

478
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:33,440
was a veterinarian who came up
and told me after the after my

479
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,080
presentation that they had
treated AI think it was a tiger

480
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,200
with a non healing wound, that
it was just not responding to

481
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,160
anything.
And they treated that, that big

482
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,640
cat with crocodile thymus.
Wow.

483
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,920
So, so this is something that
presumably the animal is

484
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,840
slaughtered and then you
harvest.

485
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,760
This is not OK, got it.
All right.

486
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,360
I don't know why that came that
just like popped in my head.

487
00:26:58,360 --> 00:26:59,840
I'm like I need to know the
answer to.

488
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,160
That well, and it's a good
question because you want to

489
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,040
know that I mean that you're not
just killing something from for

490
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,480
one thing.
So no, it's it's just a you

491
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,760
know, it's like sweet breads are
thick or thymus.

492
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,280
So, and the question also comes
up often on the deer Amber and

493
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,120
they and they, you know, they
don't, they don't kill those

494
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:19,760
deer.
They do, they harvest them.

495
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,040
Why they said they sedate them
or anesthetize them.

496
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,120
I'm not sure which, but they
have done cortisol studies on

497
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:30,800
those on those before and after.
And there's virtually no, you

498
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,560
know, they virtually have no
changes in their stress

499
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,400
hormones.
So and you know, they're, if you

500
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,600
don't harvest them, they injure
each other to these are, you

501
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,800
know, these are, are they are
pastured animals.

502
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,120
So and you know, you don't want
to run a bunch of boys together

503
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:49,720
and have them.
That's the, you know, I just

504
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,720
read something someone was
asking about it can improve

505
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,240
clotting mechanisms.
So then of course, the question

506
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,120
is, is it a problem?
Does it make them clot too much?

507
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,720
Which I don't, I've never seen
that honestly to be an issue at

508
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,920
all.
But there's actually a study

509
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:11,040
that was done that showed that
that deer have a more robust

510
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,160
clotting mechanism because when
they fight, so they would bleed

511
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,080
out if they got too much damage.
So it's actually, you know, I

512
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,680
think it's a balancing.
It's a it's another one of those

513
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,240
things that's a balancing thing.
So I don't think there's so much

514
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,640
of it that it would interfere
with like if you had a human on,

515
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,080
on anti clotting drugs, I would
think that might keep them

516
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,560
actually from turning into
hemophiliacs.

517
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,600
There's so many people that just
bruise like crazy when they're

518
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,120
on, on those drugs.
They need a balance to that.

519
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,520
And I don't I don't know that
there's any study that's been

520
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:47,080
done, you know, as far as you
know not using it usual response

521
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,680
on the the conventional side is
not to use anything that counter

522
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,000
counter effects what's being
what is being given, even if

523
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,880
what is the side effects of what
is being given are really

524
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,880
relatively awful.
So I think that that using

525
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,840
something like the antler that
has that could probably rather

526
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,920
nicely counterbalance the overt
or the tendency to bleed too

527
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,760
profusely.
Interesting, interesting.

528
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,120
So I do want to talk about
homeopathy, but before we do, I

529
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,160
think sticking on this this
supplement topic a little bit

530
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,600
because there are we were just
briefly chatting before I hit

531
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,280
record.
The supplement world is mind

532
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,160
boggling.
It is.

533
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,880
Overwhelming it is.
And I have definitely had people

534
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,560
on the podcast in the past
where, you know, we've had this

535
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,960
conversation about choosing
supplementation and kind of how

536
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:46,000
to figure out, you know, even
even I still sometimes will fall

537
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,040
for that.
You know, shiny object syndrome

538
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,640
marketing is boy, it can really,
really get to us.

539
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,640
And I think that's why the
supplement world is so confusing

540
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,520
for so many pet parents.
So what are like when you are

541
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,440
looking at supplements?
You were, we were talking

542
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,800
briefly, you have a lot of homie
hypotheses and also a good

543
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,320
amount of supplements that you
know you have in your back

544
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,800
pocket when you are looking at
supplementing an animal,

545
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,960
regardless of what issue we're
talking about, like are there

546
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,960
some defining factors where
you're like definitely not

547
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,120
looking at that anymore or I
think this has a possibility,

548
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,040
this has a good possibility that
we could find.

549
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:32,480
Like what are some of your like
qualifications for choosing a

550
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,320
good supplement?
OK, so the first thing I look at

551
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,840
is, is there a kind of a whole,
a full plate that we can give

552
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,320
the body so it can pick and
choose what it wants?

553
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,240
So that's that's where I put
stuff like the AFA algae, which

554
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,560
is grows in a lake with a 35
foot mineral base.

555
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,440
It has all 20 amino acids, it
has omega-3 fatty acids.

556
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,160
It's got minerals, it's got
vitamins.

557
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,000
It's, you know, so that a lot of
times you can give that as A and

558
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,760
it's actually a
photobiomodulator.

559
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:08,000
It's a photon emitter, which in
cancer you've lost your light

560
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,800
emission.
Part of the cell to cell

561
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,320
communication is light, which is
biophotons and frequency.

562
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:18,120
They sing to one another.
So if you lose that cell to cell

563
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,840
communication, you're you're one
step away from ending up with a

564
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,040
cancer somewhere.
So anything we can do to help

565
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,040
restore that is, is bound to be
helpful.

566
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:35,080
So it's an alkalizer, which, you
know, most of us run acidic to

567
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,840
the to the high degree, just,
you know, lifestyle and food and

568
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,200
other threats.
All those things probably

569
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,560
contribute to body acidities.
So I, you know, for, for most

570
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,800
patients, I'm a big fan of
that's a no harm strategy.

571
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,640
We actually make 4 supplements
in the clinic that are based on

572
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,080
that blue-green algae.
Now we target them.

573
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,040
One is more for allergy and
general Wellness.

574
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,320
We have one that's more for
arthritis.

575
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,240
We have one that's more for
immune.

576
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,880
And then we have the one that
we've made recently with the

577
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,240
deer antler, which I can't, we
don't produce enough of that,

578
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,640
you know, to do commercially.
But, but the AFA is kind of a

579
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,080
defining factor in all of that
because it's, I had, I have

580
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,600
notebooks, like 4 notebooks that
are two or three inches deep,

581
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,720
one just on kids stuff, which is
actually one of the reasons I

582
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,840
got started.
That's the reason I got started

583
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,800
lecturing actually, was the,
because of the drugging of

584
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:38,000
children and, and the algae
turned my ricochet rabbit child

585
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,760
into completely normal in 10
days.

586
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,640
Now, he didn't stay that way
unless he was on the algae for a

587
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,960
while.
But you know, it was so apparent

588
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,560
that his kindergarten teacher
could tell what he'd been

589
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,560
offered for a couple of days.
And my staff, he came, well, got

590
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,360
off the bus and came into clinic
and my Susan and Corey looked at

591
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,640
me and said, he's not taking his
algae.

592
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,920
It was like you could just see
him.

593
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,200
He was like this, this, and he
turned out to be a great kid,

594
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,240
But you know, when I was in vet
school, they actually used

595
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,440
Ritalin to hop race horses.
Literally, it was speed for

596
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,960
resources.
So that was not going in one of

597
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,280
my kids.
And I actually my first lectures

598
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,880
that I ever did was because of
the children being drugged in

599
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,440
large numbers.
So that that's the bottom of the

600
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,920
food chain.
My, my asthma kid was off of

601
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,760
asthma drugs within six months
and he was a critical asthmatic,

602
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,800
so that wasn't a small thing.
So and my mother had diagnosed

603
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:41,000
with breast cancer in 1996.
I started taking giving her the

604
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,600
algae months before that because
I knew she was, we knew she was

605
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,000
sick.
All my sisters and I got

606
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,680
together something wrong with
mom.

607
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,160
She's not herself at all now.
She was coughing, she was

608
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,280
tiring, she was sleeping more
and that's not her.

609
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,720
She's a ball of fire.
So that was 1996.

610
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,400
We saw her on the algae in May
of 96.

611
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,920
She was diagnosed in September.
She had mastectomy, she had no

612
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,120
chemo, no radiation, and she
just turned 96 last August, so

613
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,560
still taking the algae and her
hemoglobin went from 4:00 to

614
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,239
10:00.
So she hasn't been getting blood

615
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,800
transfusions for the last 40
years either.

616
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,120
So, you know, pernitomy is a
full plate for the joints.

617
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,800
It does other things like we
talked about, you know,

618
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:25,480
gastrointestinal and urinary
tract and stuff, but it has, you

619
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,120
know, 9 glycosamine of glycans.
So everything that is intended

620
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,760
to make a joint is in that
green, red muscle, but then to

621
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:37,440
survive that big low and close.
So that is a in that the, I

622
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,120
don't know if you remember
seeing the advertisements for

623
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,320
like Omega XL and some of those
they're, they're a green red

624
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,800
muscle extract.
They're of the, of that cost of,

625
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,960
well, maybe all of that fatty
acids, I don't know if they

626
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,719
fractionate them, but there's
one of the novel fatty acids and

627
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,840
that's called my cost of
tetranoic acid.

628
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,600
ETA it is like 300 times more
potent than salmon oil as an

629
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,800
anti-inflammatory.
So, so you have to be careful

630
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,600
when you're looking at permanent
products because they're

631
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,640
extracting that oil out of a lot
of it.

632
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,560
So a lot of things have got the
glycans and stuff, but they

633
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,560
don't have the fatty acid, which
is the one of the

634
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,200
anti-inflammatory components of
that.

635
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,160
So, you know, if you see Perna
on something, be somewhat

636
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,680
skeptical that it doesn't have
that.

637
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,000
It's not a full plate that the
Omega threes are not in.

638
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,960
So I'm a big, big, big fan of of
that as a whole food thing.

639
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,720
And then things like colostrum
tend to really be kind of a

640
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:35,160
whole food if there's just a lot
of lot of factors for

641
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,280
regeneration and colostrum.
So and then went from there.

642
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,520
We kind of look at what I
consider targeted nutritionals.

643
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:46,560
If you have a liver problem, we
may be looking at a silver and

644
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,160
maybe looking at not silamrine.
Yeah, silamrine, milk Thistle.

645
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,120
And I tend to do the herbal, the
whole herbal rather than bits

646
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,640
and pieces of things.
I'm also a big fan of dimethyl

647
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,840
glycine, which is, is a targeted
nutritional.

648
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,400
It is not mostly probably does
liver stuff, but there's a whole

649
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,760
book on DMG that's really,
really fascinating.

650
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,000
They've used it for neurological
stuff.

651
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,920
So it, it's a metabolite, but
most of the time when you think

652
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,240
about it, you think about it for
liver stuff and it does a way,

653
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,080
way, way more things like than
that in the body.

654
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,680
And it was actually the probably
the second supplement I ever

655
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,080
used.
The first one I ever used was

656
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,840
choline loading in dogs for
senility.

657
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,520
And then we, I read that it
helped with reducing the

658
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,960
frequency and severity of
seizures in people.

659
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,080
So we use a lot of it for
seizure dogs as well.

660
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,080
Wow.
Well, that was the that was the

661
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,880
first one that I used.
The second one, second one was

662
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,560
the dimethyl glycine because I
had a horse where my horses, the

663
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,160
horses had tying up syndrome and
that reduced lactic acid and

664
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,720
improves immune system.
And it's really an amazing

665
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,320
substance with my friend that
had told me about it said, well,

666
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,440
they, you know, they've got this
product called Glycoflex.

667
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,120
It's pretty good for arthritis.
While I'm ordering, you know,

668
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,800
you couldn't get them from
distributors back then.

669
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,000
So I ordered, I ordered from
Vermont.

670
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,840
You had to order direct at the
time.

671
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,560
So I ordered some of them.
All they had was Glycoflex 300

672
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,320
milligram.
That was it.

673
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,040
And so that's what I ordered.
And the dogs that couldn't get

674
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,920
up that were, you know, the
owners were threatening

675
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,640
euthanasia because they just had
no quality of life were up and

676
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,960
running.
And it was like, my gosh, this

677
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,200
is this is great.
I mean, these are dogs that have

678
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,240
already failed non steroidals.
So that was the third one I ever

679
00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:32,640
used.
And then things just kept, I

680
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,280
think the algae came in like
1995.

681
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,640
Homotox was about 1995 because
it was a dog that had an

682
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,600
osteosarcoma and they did not
want to take the leg off her and

683
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,000
they didn't want to do chemo or
radiation.

684
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,000
And so I was scrambling.
That was before Google Internet

685
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,480
and so I was fishing through
journals and all kinds of stuff

686
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,880
and I finally got a copy of the
Orange Book that a friend of

687
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,440
mine had given me and I knew
about Toronto Meal.

688
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,360
That was the only complex
homeopathic I knew about.

689
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,240
And I called him up and I said I
have an Osteosarp dog, what do

690
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,040
you have?
And they sent me like 1/2 a

691
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,680
dozen thing.
That dog lived a year and a half

692
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,080
and was running and playing and
compressed the bone.

693
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,520
That tumor actually shrunk.
So that got me hooked on

694
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,320
Homotox.
But as you know, as far as the

695
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,760
other supplements, so there's so
many of them that are targeted

696
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,640
for so many things.
Alpha lipoic acid can help with

697
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,040
liver failure.
I mean, abject liver failure.

698
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,040
Some really funny stories about
alpha lipoic acid out there yet.

699
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,720
Look up Bert Berkson and his
adventure with alpha lipoic

700
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,280
acid.
Nearly got thrown out of

701
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,640
bedspool because of alpha lipoic
acid, but he saved some saved

702
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,600
some liver failures with in the
midst of all of that.

703
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,000
And those are really very
targeted nutritionals and acetyl

704
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,440
cysteine.
And there's an endless array of

705
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,400
them.
You can walk into any, any

706
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,480
store, any herbal store and
there's a bazillion of them and

707
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,040
they're all slightly different.
And, and so it is the, the

708
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,800
difficulty is coming up with the
right combination or the right,

709
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,960
you know, the starting point on
those.

710
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,000
We have a quest unit, which is a
bio energetic screening.

711
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,000
And that that actually gives us
some kind of numeric idea of

712
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,520
besides what comes out on the
print out or like what things

713
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,000
we're looking at, what, what is
what's not vibrating correctly.

714
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,320
That will make us look on our
own for some things that we

715
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,760
already know about.
Because not everything in the

716
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,240
world is programmed into that.
But often it will give us

717
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,200
something that's that somebody
has put the data in, it's

718
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,800
programmed in, and it'll pull it
up.

719
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,760
And then we check to see which
are the most critical for that

720
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,160
patient at that point in time.
So you've brought up a couple of

721
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,160
times different homeopathy and
there seems one of my first

722
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,480
questions is you're saying is
that you said complex

723
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,520
homeopathy, right.
So there's the classical, and

724
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,760
then there's complex.
Yeah, or, or, or compounded or

725
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,800
so classic homeopathy was
developed by Samuel Hahnemann

726
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:11,000
and it is a very exacting
science for for a lot of

727
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,200
patients and a lot of, you know,
homeopaths, their intake is

728
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,760
sometimes an hour, hour and a
half, which you know, most

729
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,440
people in general practice can't
do.

730
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,720
Like, you know, I, I do block an
hour like for atopy dogs and

731
00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:27,080
stuff.
But to come up with the the

732
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,240
single.
Homeopathic at the correct

733
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:34,280
dilution is not is a very, very
challenging very, very

734
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,080
challenging to do and Reckowig
in the early nights.

735
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,080
His father was cured of a
incurable renal disease, kidney

736
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,080
disease with use of
homeopathics.

737
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,920
And so when he went to Med
school, he said he was going to

738
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,200
meld the disciplines of
homeopathy and Western medicine

739
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:54,880
and he set out to do that.
But what you find in that is

740
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,800
that like if you, if you look at
single dose, single remedy

741
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,160
homeopathy, that picture changes
like sometimes within minutes

742
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,240
and then it's asking for a
different remedy.

743
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,760
So the reality of that in
practice is not that easy to do.

744
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,360
So what he started doing was
putting together symptom

745
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,160
pictures or symptom
progressions.

746
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:23,120
So if you get the flu, you've
got aches, fever, chills,

747
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:28,200
sweats, appetite loss, you know,
whatever that, that you,

748
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,920
whatever you're rolling through
those.

749
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,600
And he put them together, he
complexed them.

750
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,320
And some of the things are
he'll, they're called a

751
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,480
homicort.
They'll have three different

752
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:43,080
dilutions of something in it.
And it's because the body, the

753
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,320
body's a tuning fork.
So every cell, every organ,

754
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,800
every tissue has its own
resonant frequency.

755
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:53,040
And if you put in the frequency
that it wants, it will tune

756
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,560
itself to that frequency that
it's that like a tuning fork in

757
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,880
the front of the room.
If the one in the back of the

758
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,560
room is a resonant type, it will
strike you strike the one in the

759
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,360
front, the bat one in the back
will also start singing.

760
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:12,400
So we're, so we are, we are a
series of we're a sometimes a

761
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,600
cacophony, but we're, we're an
orchestra of resonant

762
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,520
frequencies.
So he started putting orchestras

763
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:26,560
together to to give to simplify
the, the treatment.

764
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,040
So something like Tromyel has
something for the heat, pain,

765
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,600
redness, swelling, edema,
whatever the, you know, that

766
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,440
whole complex of things that
happens like if you sprain an

767
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,280
ankle and it's it's nearly
miraculous.

768
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,040
We had kids that would like
sprain an ankle on a baseball

769
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,960
diamond with a, you know, ankle
this big around and they were

770
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,320
back playing in a week.
So you get it on, get it on

771
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,080
right away.
There's, you know, that swelling

772
00:42:55,080 --> 00:43:00,520
goes down really rapidly and
they, they are, you know, back

773
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,960
on the court or the field or
whatever in very, very short

774
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,040
order.
So, you know, with the, with the

775
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,960
single remedy homeopathy, you
know, you're having to hit every

776
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:17,560
successive set of sentence.
So, and, and it's a, it is a

777
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:22,520
really, it's amazing.
It's a whole system of medicine.

778
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,520
The nice thing about it is for
those of us that, you know,

779
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,040
learned Western medicine, I'm a
very Cartesian, I can't keep yin

780
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,040
and Yang straight.
I'd love to do Chinese medicine,

781
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:32,440
but I can't keep yin and Yang
straight.

782
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,840
So you can, you can take what
you learned in, in that school

783
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,800
or Med school or whatever, and
you can look it up in a word

784
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,880
search and you can find the
things that have those things in

785
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,200
it and see which one fits the
best.

786
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:51,520
So that's called homotoxicology
or nanopharmacology.

787
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,080
They're all nanopharmacology.
Any kind, anything that's a

788
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,160
delusional dilutedness, a cost
is a nanopharmacology.

789
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,800
It's kind of funny because nano
medicine, nano anything has

790
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,440
become less of a taboo, kind of
a woo woo kind of a thing

791
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,400
anymore because we're, you know,
now the word Nanos in our in our

792
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:15,320
vernacular.
So, so we use, you know, and

793
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,560
have they've got some amazing
stuff for heart issues and

794
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,840
kidney issues, liver issues, and
there's good data out there.

795
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,440
In fact, one of the I think
there's only probably a few

796
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,040
substances or few things that
have all four levels of evidence

797
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,200
called the mosaic of evidence.
And Tromil is one of them and

798
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,560
Vertigo heels another where they
know the basic research, like

799
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,280
the mechanisms of action.
They put them in real world

800
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,360
trials.
They've done meta analysis on

801
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,920
them.
So there's, there's, you know,

802
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,480
all of those bits of evidence,
every, every type of evidence is

803
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,080
in though it has been done on
those on those two that we know

804
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,040
of.
Zeal may be in there too at this

805
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,200
point in time, but not very many
things in conventional medicine

806
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,760
can actually boast that.
In fact, I'm not sure I can come

807
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,360
up with any right offhand.
And I will say that if in the

808
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,840
conventional medicine field, the
British Medical Journal, I think

809
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,200
it was a British Medical
Journal, BMJ, it's been a while.

810
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,880
It's been a while ago, decade or
more ago actually did a study

811
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,080
where they looked at the safety
and efficacy studies.

812
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:27,360
Only 13% at that point in time
of conventional therapeutics,

813
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:32,320
drugs, interventions, whatever,
only 13% had true safety and

814
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,080
efficacy studies.
Where they were they were proven

815
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:41,680
to be safe and useful.
Like more than 50% was unknown.

816
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,200
They had no idea.
I don't think that's gotten any

817
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,520
better.
No, I mean why would I mean

818
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,960
especially ones that don't even
have liability.

819
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,760
Yeah, I wouldn't get to mention
that, but if recent history

820
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,520
tells us anything, yeah.
For sure.

821
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,640
Gosh, I feel like I feel like I
could just like ask you

822
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,520
questions for hours and hours
and hours, and I think that

823
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,240
actually would lead me to my
next question for you, and I

824
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:18,400
hope this doesn't catch you too
off guard.

825
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,320
It sounds like you you have some
plans coming up.

826
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,480
You were talking about a book
on, on thymus extract, but one

827
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:32,080
of the the themes that I got
from the conversations that I

828
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,440
was fortunate enough to be
involved in at the AHVMA

829
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:43,880
conference in 23 was that a lot
of the truly holistic we coined,

830
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,160
we coined a new term on this
podcast not too long ago called

831
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,120
tholistic for those who are
tholistic.

832
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,800
Like FAUX.
Like faux.

833
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,560
OK, that doesn't sound very
nice.

834
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,080
It well, it actually wasn't me
that came up with it.

835
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,720
It was another woman that I
know.

836
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:08,000
But we just have come across so
many allopathic veterinarians

837
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,120
who learn acupuncture and then
call themselves holistic, but

838
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,520
then they put you on a
prescription kettle or, you

839
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,240
know, they're still doing the
jabs every year and the you know

840
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:19,920
what?
It's so we're like, OK, they're

841
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,760
they're, they're pholistic.
That's well, you know, that's

842
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,400
probably that's probably more
people who learn the medical

843
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:32,240
acupuncture rather than Chinese
medicine because you know that

844
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,720
it, that's more, I don't know,
Cartesian, like put a put a pin

845
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,280
in it.
You know, this one does this and

846
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,200
that one does that.
They're not looking necessarily

847
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,360
at the whole of the body like
the like Chinese practitioners

848
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,880
do.
The thing is that a lot of those

849
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,200
will eventually always laughed
at.

850
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:53,080
You know, people ask me how I
got into alternative medicine

851
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,080
and it's like my failures, you
know, the things that I couldn't

852
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,320
fix that that kept coming back
or that there were no

853
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,760
conventional answers for.
And there's a lot of those, you

854
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,680
know, it's just like, let's
leave you a steroid and you can

855
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,760
go back.
We'll see how long you last.

856
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,000
So that that's never set set
very well with me.

857
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,400
You know, most of the people or
a lot of people that get, really

858
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,560
get into integrative medicine,
it's because of the things that

859
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,880
for which they had no
conventional answers.

860
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,040
And I think a lot of people, you
know, you get your foot in the

861
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,400
door and you know, and a lot of
those people that you know, a

862
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,040
lot of it's kind of funny
because when I've lectured

863
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,840
mostly at like NABCBMX, we would
when we, when I first started

864
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,280
lecturing there, it's like
people look at you like you were

865
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,120
like out of your mind when
you're an integrative

866
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,480
practitioner.
But then as, as time went on

867
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,360
there, there would be people
sitting at the table thinking,

868
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,280
saying, yeah, you know, we're
thinking about bringing on a

869
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:59,000
chiropractor or an acupuncturist
or because they clearly see that

870
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,880
their clients are looking for
that.

871
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,360
And there's so much more data
available anymore.

872
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,080
So I think that if somebody,
even if somebody gets into it as

873
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,480
a medical acupuncturist, they
will often, you know, in the

874
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,640
process of getting continuing
education or, and their clients,

875
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,200
I'm going to tell you, my
clients often bring me really

876
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,320
interesting things and I will
look at them.

877
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,880
You know, I may or may not end
up incorporating them, but I

878
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,320
will look at them because
they're, you know, we don't.

879
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,040
And it's a big world out there
and we do not know.

880
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,560
There's no end to what I'm
learning every day.

881
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,680
You know, my hard drive is full.
I don't have room for anything

882
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,720
else out there.
So I have, I have a staff person

883
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:43,120
who's not my external hard
drive.

884
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,360
I just let her absorb all the
new stuff.

885
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,080
I have to say.
Taylor.

886
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,680
Taylor, do you remember?
Well, so yes, I, I do hope that

887
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,680
it is getting the ball rolling
for, for a lot, if not most or

888
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,600
all of them.
So, but a lot of the

889
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,720
conversations that I did get a
chance to hear were that many of

890
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:08,040
the holistic veterinarians at
least that were at the

891
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,080
conference that year are getting
to the point where they're

892
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:17,920
thinking about retirement and
and so that your knowledge,

893
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,640
their knowledge needs to be
passed.

894
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,560
Along.
Especially for these people who

895
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:26,160
are just, you know, these
veterinarians who are like, OK,

896
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,200
let me bring in accurate like
they, they, this information

897
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,880
needs to be available to them at
some point down the road when

898
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:36,000
they are ready for it.
So that's kind of where my mind

899
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,760
was going with this.
Next part is like, how do you

900
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,640
see that developing?
Do you, how do you see yourself

901
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,680
putting your brain, your hard
drive somewhere for future

902
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,120
veterinarians to to have this
information?

903
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,120
That is really a difficult
question.

904
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,840
And I have seen some of my
colleagues that, you know, about

905
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,880
the same age as me that, you
know, couldn't sell their

906
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,960
practices and just walked away.
And it's like all of that, all

907
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,720
of that information just is, you
know, left with them.

908
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,320
You know, that when they when
they walked away from their

909
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,120
practice, there was no one,
there was no legacy to leave.

910
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,280
You know, they had a legacy, but
they took it with them.

911
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:20,600
And that is that's concerning to
me because there is so much,

912
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:24,240
there is so much information
that needs to be passed to the

913
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:26,360
next generation.
And, you know, one time at the

914
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,800
AHEMA, we had talked about doing
like a mentor program, but you

915
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,720
know, that's kind of hard to do
long distance.

916
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,680
And I've actually had one or two
veterinarians that would just

917
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,960
come and spend a couple of days
with me and we would, you know,

918
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:42,200
do like cases that came in.
And I love, you know, I love the

919
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,480
the hands on part of that.
But, and I don't know, but I

920
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,840
don't have the answer for that.
I'm actually giving the keynote

921
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,800
for the 40th anniversary at a
HDMA this year.

922
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,360
And that's one of the things I'm
going to bring out is what do we

923
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,280
do for this next generation?
Because a lot of us are aging

924
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,440
out.
You know, you're not all going

925
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,240
to be Doctor Tucker still
practicing in his 90s.

926
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,960
You know, I, I don't know how
long I'm going to go, but I have

927
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,720
a blood analyzer to pay for now.
So when people come in and say

928
00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:10,920
you're not retiring, are you
USA?

929
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,520
Well, not to only pay for that
blood analyzer, you know, we do

930
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,680
have to use conventional
medicine sometimes I've got to

931
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,640
pay for a blood analyzer.
So I, you know, that is a, that,

932
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,360
that is a big worry for me.
And I have a colleague that's,

933
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:32,640
that is, has been putting
together like a series of, you

934
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,000
know, lectures and stuff for
veterinarians to, to kind of

935
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,200
broaden their, their, their
knowledge.

936
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,800
I can only homotox.
You can, you know, teach basics

937
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,760
in a, in a conference, but but
you can't really teach them

938
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,280
techniques.
It's kind of like the thymus

939
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,320
extract.
You know, there's so many ways

940
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:58,160
to use it, but it has to be
presented to people like this is

941
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,080
how you do it.
But one-on-one takes, you know,

942
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,280
that just takes up infinite
amounts of time and then it's

943
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,360
not repeatable.
So, you know, I actually did an

944
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,640
autologous blood therapy, just a
little tutorial on it at one

945
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,000
point in time when we were
trying to get veterinarians to

946
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,360
do like autologous blood therapy
for, for allergy dogs and stuff.

947
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,840
It was like they just can't
process the idea of it, even

948
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,840
though it is body specific
immunotherapy.

949
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,400
So you know, it's it's immune,
it's immune modulation using the

950
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,560
blood as a reference point.
Wow.

951
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,720
So.
Well, I can't say that I have

952
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,520
suggestions, but it is on my
mind.

953
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,600
Well, you know, it's been online
too.

954
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:43,280
It, it really has because I hate
for, you know, all of the, you

955
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,840
know, 30 or 40 years of, of work
that I've been doing the, the

956
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:53,280
knowledge I've been accumulating
and I'm a librarian.

957
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,840
Basically.
That's what, that's what my

958
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,520
friend Rick Palmquist calls me.
I'm not sure if that was

959
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,040
supposed to be a Councilman or
not, but he calls me the

960
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,520
librarian.
So I archive everything and I so

961
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,760
I have a ton of data, but I
don't know how anybody would be

962
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,040
able to utilize that unless it
was kind of like the large

963
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,240
language models collated into
something that somebody can

964
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:17,520
actually use.
Yeah.

965
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,880
So I'm hoping that that, you
know, I'm not, I'm not really a

966
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,320
big AI fan, but I'm hoping that
that will be one gift to

967
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,400
humanity that and actually that
Enoch model, everybody should

968
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,320
probably look into that because
he has put into that.

969
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,400
It's not available yet.
I think it will be in March or

970
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,880
April or something like that.
He has put like Joseph Mercola's

971
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:41,400
stuff in there, green Med info,
the health Ranger, and it's all

972
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,280
going to be free anybody and
regenerative farming.

973
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,040
And yeah, so it was it was
called Neo, but I think this one

974
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,360
is called Enoch.
I've lost books of the Bible.

975
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,680
Yeah, I do find AI to be
terrible, terrifying and

976
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,920
fascinating at the same time.
Same time yeah it could be used

977
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,600
for good or evil like anything,
but I'm hoping that that will be

978
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,520
that will be something good that
comes out of it is the ability

979
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,280
to access massive amounts of
data because you know those

980
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,560
rabbit holes take a long time to
go down and then try it's like

981
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,160
that 34 gigabytes or so that
I've got just nothing but

982
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:24,440
Dynamos extract the can't can't
collate that can't I can't put

983
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:29,240
all of that into a format that's
where all that data is rational

984
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:32,280
and reasonable and readable
where I think in a language

985
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,440
model probably could do that and
it needs to be done because

986
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,160
that's that is one of the most
valuable therapeutics out there

987
00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,200
It's kind of like all these
peptides.

988
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,640
You know the that's been one of
the big buzz things.

989
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,800
The thymus is peptides was one
of the original ones.

990
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,760
Those are peptides.
Yeah, and you know, Neuralink I

991
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:57,800
think scares me even more having
access to to your body that way.

992
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,120
But I.
Maybe if maybe if I was pairwise

993
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,800
and would want help walking, but
I don't want an implant in my

994
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,000
brain with anybody else to
access.

995
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,240
Whatever's in there can just
stay as scrambled as it is right

996
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:11,560
now.
I don't want an implant.

997
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,080
No, I well, what I was thinking
was like to gather that

998
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:20,400
information out of your brain.
Yeah, Do they, the Vulcan mind

999
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,840
meld, That's what I need is the
Vulcan mind.

1000
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,040
You remember the Star Trek?
Star Trek.

1001
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,320
Yeah, Yeah, Mr. Spock, that's
what I need is somebody that I

1002
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,120
can just transfer that into
their brain so they don't have

1003
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:34,840
to.
So they don't.

1004
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,720
That which is actually why I
started teaching was because you

1005
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,960
know that that knowledge is to
be shared.

1006
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,120
It's, you know, you don't hide
it away under ask it somewhere.

1007
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,760
You share it so that the next
people don't.

1008
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,800
You don't have to repeat all the
work that that you did to get to

1009
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,920
where you are.
Yeah.

1010
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,880
I'm absolutely hoping that that
will, you know that will

1011
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,120
eventually I have started, I
have started doing some work

1012
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,160
with Marlene on her on her
lecture series.

1013
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,320
I'm a little kind of behind on
that project, but it's not

1014
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,960
because I don't have anything
else to do.

1015
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,480
I've only got 7 grandkids and.
Yeah, she is a go getter.

1016
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,080
All right.
Well, I cannot tell you how much

1017
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,320
I appreciate your time.
This was a while in the making

1018
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,680
and I am just so appreciative of
you freely sharing your

1019
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,160
knowledge, information, and
maybe I'll take you up on coming

1020
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:39,240
and shadowing you one day.
Yeah, more than happy to have

1021
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,080
you.
Oh my goodness.

1022
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,600
Well, thank you again so much as
if I know you have your practice

1023
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,600
in Arkansas and you have someone
else who who helps you with your

1024
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,280
Facebook.
But if anybody is interested I

1025
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:52,760
know you have a website where
you do.

1026
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,480
Have you mentioned the like 7
hours of video?

1027
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,360
On that's on there under the
thymus tab.

1028
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,880
So all those all of those are in
that under the in that drop

1029
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:04,080
down.
There's a little bit of

1030
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,040
information on ozone.
So I don't know.

1031
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,360
I don't know.
I didn't build it.

1032
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,520
I don't even know it's on there.
Yeah, start there.

1033
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:14,040
And then some of the interviews
that I've done are actually

1034
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,800
posted there as well.
The, the interview that I did

1035
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,320
with Ty Bollinger for The Truth
About Pet Cancer, that whole

1036
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,280
interview, that whole interview
is on that is on my website, so.

1037
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,400
Awesome.
And that is DRP, jb.com,

1038
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,440
correct?
Correct.

1039
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,440
Perfect, that will also be in
the show notes.

1040
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:36,160
Again, thank you so very much
Doctor Broadfoot.

1041
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,760
It was so wonderful having you.
I appreciate you and just want

1042
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,920
to tell everybody out there.
Thank you for for listening and

1043
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,240
I hope you give some extra love
to your pets from me and Doctor

1044
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,600
V today.
Good night everybody.