201. Inside a Lifetime of Holistic Practice: Dr Bob Ulbricht on Pet Health

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Welcome back pet parent.
I am so excited for today's

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episode.
I have another incredible

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veterinarian to bring his wealth
of wisdom to you guys today, and

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I actually got to meet him a
couple of years ago at a HVMA.

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So it is my honor and pleasure
to bring Doctor Bob Ulbricht to

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you today.
Thank you so much for being

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here, Doctor Bob.
Thank you, Jessica.

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It's great to be here.
So I would love, I mean, we're,

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we're going to get into it.
We're going to talk about all

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the things you have many decades
of veterinary practice behind

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you, which is incredible.
So I know you have so much to

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talk about.
You use a lot of homeopathy and

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I saw that you have some really
amazing success using homeopathy

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with cancer patients.
But we're going to get into all

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of that.
What I would love to just start

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off so people can kind of start
to get to know you a little bit

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is to just tell me a little bit
about like your history, why you

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became a veterinarian.
And then we'll kind of get into

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why you saw alternative
modalities outside of the

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allopathic veterinary like
industrial complex.

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I don't know the, the veterinary
allopathic veterinary complex.

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It's, it's, it's a thing.
It's, it's a thing.

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So we'll talk about that too.
Yeah, I mean, I being a vet was

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something, you know, since
probably about the 7th grade or,

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or something that I wanted to
do.

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And I just followed the path and
did the usual things that one

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does to get there and then and,
and when I was in school, all

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the alternative stuff.
I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't

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just poo pooed.
It was utterly ignored.

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There was there was no mention
that there was anything other

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than this is the way you do
things.

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And as far as I knew, that was
the way you do things.

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So I, you know, the first
actually, you know, several

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years of, of my practice, four
or five years, I, I practiced

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conventionally.
I had heard about, you know,

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acupuncture when I was in
school.

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The, the head of our anaesthesia
department, we heard Newsome

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acupuncture.
And if you kind of talk to him,

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you know, and you know, just
hush, hush, you know, hey, he

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might teach you a little bit of
something.

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And there was a couple of my
students or fellow classmates

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rather that, you know, that did
that.

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And we're all like, oh, yeah, I
might as well stick pins and

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little dolls.
You know, it's all voodoo.

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And you know, that that was the
milieu that I learned and grew

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up in.
And it it took practicing out in

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the real world to kind of
release realize that, you know,

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conventional medicine is really
great.

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If you're hit by a truck and you
need to be anesthetized and have

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your legs set and blah, blah,
blah, you know, acute disease,

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great.
But when it comes to chronic

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disease, it really fails.
Hypothyroidism, you can't cure

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it.
You can supply the symptoms with

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external thyroid hormone or, you
know, cancer or diabetes or any

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of those chronic diseases.
All you can do is you can't

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really cure any of those things.
You can just kind of palliate

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the symptoms.
And I got sick and tired of

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that.
I thought there had to be a

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better way.
I remember I was, I was working

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at a clinic at one point, one of
my patients who had just

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diagnosed it as a cat had feline
leukemia, wasn't doing well.

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And basically there was wasn't
really any hope for this cat

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with conventional medicine.
And I actually had the

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euthanasia solution drawn up in
the syringe when the the pet

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owner said to me, isn't there
some kind of, I don't know,

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alternative medicine that we
could try?

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And I was like, I don't know, as
it happened, my neighbor was a

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naturopath.
And I thought, oh, that's nice.

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You know, that, you know, she
does some, you know, that's

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cute.
It's not real medicine, but you

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know, it's nice that she plays
around with, you know, herbs and

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things.
And so I, I thought, well, you

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know, I could ask my neighbor.
I don't know, I didn't really

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expect anything, but OK, let's
give it a try.

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Sure, why not?
And I talked to her.

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She suggested a few, some immune
support, this and that.

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And behold, the cat got better.
I was like, OK, that wasn't

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supposed to happen.
And I started looking into it

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more and more and started taking
classes like for humans in, in

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Chinese medicine and think, you
know, continuing education

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classes and stuff and adding a
little of this and that.

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And I thought it was breaking
new ground.

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And then I discovered there's a
whole organization out there,

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the American Holistic Veterinary
Medical Association, and then

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other organizations like the
Academy of Veterinary Homeopathy

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and, you know, the chiropractic
organizations and acupuncture

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organizations, all supplying
consuming education.

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I didn't have to forge my own
path.

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It's already, you know, there
hasn't been a lot of people

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forging that are following that
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We're still pretty few and far
between, but yeah, there there

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was other resources available.
So that's where I then I started

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taking, you know, certification
course in veterinary homeopathy

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and I got diplomat status in
that.

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And then chiropractic, a
veterinary chiropractic.

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It took a lot of other courses
in Western herbs and and Chinese

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herbs and nutrition and
nutraceuticals and blah, blah,

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blah, and built a practice over
the years that I've never turned

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back from.
It's been really remarkable what

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stepping out-of-the-box can do
for you.

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So first of all, I just want to
say there is never in a million

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years will I ever say anything
negative about voodoo or hoodoo

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or anything like that because
there is.

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Please do not hex me.
You're right.

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I believe in it enough that your
hex will work.

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Please do not do it.
I, I, I, I don't know, I maybe I

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want to believe in it.
I don't know, but I will never

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say anything negative about it
And because I certainly fear

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that somebody be like, oh
really, let's see what's going

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to happen.
But and I.

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Don't want when I say, oh, I
thought it was voodoo that was

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in my mindset back then, that
anything outside was, you know,

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weird elite, you know, magical
thinking, blah, blah, blah.

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And yeah, lo and behold, you
know, there's actually a whole

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lot of science between or behind
the things that I do.

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I mean, people say how can
homeopathy work?

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There's nothing there, blah,
blah, blah.

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Well, actually there is
interesting things there, but

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it's not physical things, it's
vibrational things.

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And if you look for it with the
right way, you can see it.

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So and, and, and people say, oh,
well, I believe in, you know,

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evidence based medicine.
Well, that's really such an

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insult because the implication
is that anything that isn't

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science has no evidence against
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And the fact is people who are
doing research and publishing in

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the alternative journals are
doing really probably better

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science than the people doing
conventional medicine because

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they kind of have, you know,
they feel like there's a higher

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bar for them that, you know,
they have to prove themselves

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better.
And so the science is actually

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better.
It's just ignored.

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I mean, if you're willing, I
would actually love to dive into

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that a little bit because I keep
saying, and I granted, I have

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nowhere near I, I would never
put myself in, in a class of a,

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of a veterinarian.
I am like humbled by what you

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all do.
And just even even conventional

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allopathic veterinarians.
I mean, you go through so much

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schooling to learn so many
different species of animals.

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Like I am so thankful that there
are so many incredible

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veterinarians out there.
It's just like you said, if my

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dog is hit by a car, please,
I'm, you know, want some pain

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meds if you need to put them
under anesthesia to do some

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let's let's get them fixed.
But and I especially looking at

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the human side of things because
I think that's where things

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happen 1st and then it kind of
trickles into into veterinary

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medicine when we look at the
human side of things.

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And science has become a
religion.

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I don't, this is, this is
craziness to me.

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And I do, I mean, I, my
bachelor's is in a science, it's

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just not in a medical science.
I have a bachelor's of science.

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And so I learned what, you know,
a science experiment should look

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like.
And you're kind of when you go

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in, you're supposed to be trying
to disprove yourself, whatever

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your theory is.
And I don't believe that's the

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way most scientific studies are
set up anymore.

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I think, you know, a
pharmaceutical company or

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whoever that's funding it says
this is what we have.

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We need to figure out a made a
way, a way to make it work.

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What can you give me?
And then, you know, data is

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cherry picked and I don't know,
it's, it's an insane percentage

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since like the 1980s of studies
that have been retracted or

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corrected because the science
was flawed.

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So I would just love, I mean,
go, go get on your soapbox if

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you want.
For sure.

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Well, yeah, people one another
thing that bugs me is when

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people, you know, you talk about
whatever, say the vaccine

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questions and they say, oh, no,
I believe in science.

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Like, like science is not
something you believe in.

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That's called religion.
Science is something you you

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look at the facts.
If the facts differ from your

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your belief, you change your
belief.

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You don't change the facts.
There was an old quote from

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Doctor Who, the original Doctor
Who back in the 60s, when Tom

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Baker said something like as the
Doctor, he said the very the the

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very powerful and the very
stupid of one thing in common.

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They don't change their opinions
to fit the facts.

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They change the facts to fit
their opinions or something like

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that.
I'm probably slightly misquoting

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him, but but it's true.
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It's, you know, getting back to
like the vaccines, you know,

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wow, everyone has to be
vaccinated and COVID.

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So.
So have any of these people

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actually looked at some of the
research that's come out in peer

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reviewed Western medical
scientific journals like The

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Lancet, the 20, the October of
20 21 Lancet or the January of

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22 European of Journal of
Epidemiology?

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I mean, these are well respected
scientific journals, peer

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reviewed.
And yet they, the, the articles,

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the, the research published in
them show that the COVID vaccine

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was not lowering the antigen
load, that was not reducing the

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spread.
It was not.

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There was no difference between
highly vaccinated countries and,

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and poor and, and low vaccinated
countries were highly vaccinated

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counties and low vaccinated
counties that it was not

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spreading.
And yet people aren't looking at

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any of the science and they're
just saying, oh, I believe in

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science without looking at the
data.

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So that's just one example of,
of course, many rainy roads we

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could go down.
Yeah, well, I just, I, I find it

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to be so odd that and I, you
know, I see this kind of thing

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on social media all the time.
It's like people have no problem

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injecting themselves with
something and not asking

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questions, eating a Dorito and
not looking at the ingredient

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profile, but suggest that they
take oil of oregano when they

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have the flu and they're like,
where is the scientific research

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on?
And I'm like, what in the world?

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I just think that's what that's
the society we live in.

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Kind of shows like where where
we are as a society.

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It shows how you know, have
become so disconnected from

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nature that we think we're so
much more intelligent, more

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powerful.
And what you do, what you have

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proven in your practice is that
that's really not, in my

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opinion, what you've proven is
that that's that's just not the

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case.
So what are some of, and I know

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you use a lot of homeopathy.
What are some of the modalities

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that you have used in your
decades of practice that you're

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like, this is pretty incredible
guys.

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Like we really need to.
We need to look at this more.

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Well, I mean, I mean, really
realistically, the number one

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modality, the number one thing
that you can do is your diet.

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You always start with that.
I mean, there's just so much

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getting off of processed food
and people just, you know, they

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ask well, which brand, which
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None of them.
Some are better than others, but

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none of them are good.
And it's just like if you did

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nothing but ate canned goods all
the time, how would your health

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be as it was opposed to eating
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department.
And it's the same thing where

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there are dogs and cats.
You got to start with diet.

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That's the number one, you know,
nutritional medicine, the number

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one thing.
Some dear friends of mine, their

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dog had lymphoma, developed
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And we didn't, I mean, we
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I gave them some immune support
and support, You know, the main

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thing we did, we, we switched
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Number one, get them on a raw
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What are wolves and coyotes
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And it's not opening cans and
bags of things and it's not

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sitting around the campfire
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They're eating it raw.
So get back to what they're

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doing.
They did that, but they

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unfortunately really couldn't
afford to keep up with the

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immune support and all the all
the other things.

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And they kind of fell back on
jest diet.

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That dog lived a year and a half
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I mean, think how well it would
have done if we could have kept

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up with some of the other
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But I mean, diet alone can do,
can fix so much, so much of our

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of our pets and our health
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eating the Doritos and all that
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because that is known.
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Pretty quick, yeah.
Yeah, that's pretty amazing.

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And I too am on that bandwagon
with we have to have to have to

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fix the diet first and foremost,
like you cannot out supplement a

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bad diet.
And I think we try.

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I think a lot of us, we try.
I know I get a lot of a lot of

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clients that are like, they'll
have a list this long of

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supplements that they're giving
their dog and they're good

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supplements.
Like they've done their research

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and they're, they're really
using good supplements, but

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they're feeding a kibble.
And I'm like, you know, I hate

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to break it to you, but.
It's like building a really good

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house with no foundation.
Right, yes.

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So, OK, you started as a
conventional veterinarian.

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What?
And you told me about the, the

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cat with leukemia.
Was there anything else that

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maybe kind of shifted you, your
mindset a little bit?

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Was there are there any other
stories that you have that you

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were like, I really, I really
need to expand my horizons here.

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Another anecdote.
I, I mean, I just, I know that

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the more I, the more I learned,
the more I tried things, the

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more I saw success, the more I
realized that there was a whole

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lot more out there than I ever
was presented in vet school.

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Another story isn't just like
springing to mind at the moment,

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but that's OK.
I'll probably think of something

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as we talk.
That's OK, No problem.

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So I noticed when I was looking
at like the bio that you gave

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me, you pretty quickly it looked
like you you ran from 8:00-ish

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years after vet school and then
you went and you, you learned

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homeopathy.
So let's start with homeopathy.

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Sure.
I have to be honest, like, I

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love the idea of homeopathy.
I have tried.

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I actually just signed up for
another course with Doctor Will

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Falconer.
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And so, yeah, I it's like I
understand it, but I don't

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understand it, if that makes any
sense.

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Like, I know that there are
different, different

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methodologies with homeopathy
from talking to to Doctor PJ

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Bradfoot.
And I know that I only know

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enough to be dangerous because
like, you have to, from what I

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understand, at least the way Dr.
Falconer teaches it is you have

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to get like in the nitty gritty
of every symptom.

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And when those symptoms change,
you got to do it all over again.

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And so to me, I'm like, I would
be pulling my hair out, but I

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would love for you, you to give
me like I'm in fifth grade,

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explain homeopathy to me.
So homeopathy, it works with the

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symptoms.
Conventional medicine works

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against the symptoms.
OK, it's a very anti.

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If you got a fever, you take an
anti pyretic.

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If you're vomiting, you take a
anti nausea medicine.

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If you've got a whatever it is
anti diarrhea, anti this, anti

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that.
Whereas homeopathy, the symptom

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symptoms are like the how the,
how the, if the body deals with

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disease, right?
So, and they're like the oil

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light on your car.
If the oil light comes on, you

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can either add oil to the engine
or cut the wires leading to the

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light.
Either way, the light goes off

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and things like steroids and all
these, you know, it's

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suppressing the symptoms kind
of, you know, medications are

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just cutting the wires.
You're not doing anything for

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the body.
So the, the, the symptoms, like

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I say, they're how the body
tries to, you know, if you've

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got an infection, it raises the
temperature to cook the

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infection out of you.
If you take something that

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lowers your fever, your ability
to fight the infection is

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actually inhibited.
You might feel better in the

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moment, but it takes you longer
to, to get over it.

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Or maybe you never get over it,
depending on what, what you're

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doing, what you're talking
about.

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So what homeopathy does, if
you've got a fever, you give say

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something like belladonna, that
if you were to eat it, eat a

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belladonna, you know, in its
pure form, aren't plant form, it

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would actually make your your
fever rise, your temperature

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rise a bit.
So it actually enhances your

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symptoms temporarily and
therefore thereby enhances your

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body's ability to fight whatever
it's trying to cure.

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But then those remedies don't
continue to because they're

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diluted and potentized.
They have a brief effect they

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don't have.
Like belladonna is poisonous

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until you turn it into a
homeopathic remedy and then it

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you know can cure things that
have a similar symptom.

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Picture they say that large
doses of anything kill, small

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doses palliate and micro doses
cure.

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So homeopathy is the micro doses
that give the body a little

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nudge in that direction, kind of
waking it up to say, oh, this is

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what's going on.
This is, you know, enhance the

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the the body's innate ability to
heal and then you sometimes get

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a little aggravation from that,
but then you get true healing

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afterwards.
How's that for a quick and

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dirty?
Experiment.

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Yeah.
Well, and what I understand of

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homeopathy is that the
originator.

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Yeah, Doctor Hahnemann.
I don't know if it was him or

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him and a bunch of other
doctors.

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They actually took these
remedies to test them out to see

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what they would be good for.
I cannot imagine a doctor today

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creating a pharmaceutical and
doing that.

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Right, right.
So, yeah, the the state of

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medicine 200 years ago when
Doctor Hahnemann was, was

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formulating his ideas about
homeopathy.

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I mean, there was, there was
these things that, yeah, the

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doctors of the day, well, when
you have syphilis, you give them

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mercury or whatever.
And he was like, why?

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Where's the peer reviewed study?
Not that they really had those

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and they, they just didn't have
those that kind of thing in

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those days, right?
And so it was all kind of handed

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down, called Doctor Smith said
it worked and Doctor Smith got

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it from Doctor Jones.
And nobody really knows where

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some of these things came from.
So what Doctor Hahnemann said

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was, well, let's find out what
these things actually do when

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you take Mercury or, or whatever
it is.

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But of course, Mercury's really
kind of toxic or most of these

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things that they were giving
were, were really toxic.

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So he wanted to, you know, want
to poison himself.

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So he took Peruvian bark that
was supposed to, it was supposed

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to be good for I think malaria
and he made it into a solution

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whatever and then diluted it one
to 10.

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And he want he was a very, very
meticulous man.

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And so he he would make sure it
was really stirred up really

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well.
So he would succus it like 100

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times and just just, you know,
kind of stumbled on this.

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He, he was just his
meticulousness.

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There wasn't any thinking about,
oh, there's something about

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secussion that brings out the
healing properties of, of, of

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these remedies.
He was just trying to stir

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things up to dilute the, the
remedies.

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And then he, you know, that was
still too toxic.

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So he took what was left and he
very, very meticulous.

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He'll just do it at 1:00 to
10:00.

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He was always, you know, very
precise and everything.

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He diluted that one to 10 and
secused it and he got it down to

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the point where it was not toxic
anymore.

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And then he took this substance
and he found that he got sort of

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this relapsing fever that, you
know, would kind of come and go

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just sort of like the way
malaria works.

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And you think, well, maybe
there's a connection there.

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And that's what got him sort of
started in this whole idea of

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these substances that produce
these symptoms can cure ailments

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that produce similar symptoms.
And from there he that he tested

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hundreds of remedies on himself
and on volunteers.

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And then, you know, eventually
getting, you know, groups of

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volunteers that would take these
things and write down everything

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that their, their thoughts,
their feelings, their

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sensations, how you know, their
dreams, their, you know,

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whatever all the whole totality
of everything.

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And then he looked for common
denominators that was repeatable

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throughout at least the majority
of the of the testers.

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They called them provers.
It wasn't like proof isn't a

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mathematical proof, but proving
what you know, what, what does

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the remedy do?
And and then he wrote, you know,

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all this, all these books, you
know, all the symptoms that this

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remedy or that remedy would do.
And what you're talking about

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from what what Doctor Falconer
was telling you, That's how you

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for, for especially for like
deep chronic disease, you got to

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look at that whole constellation
of pictures and pick a remedy

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that matches as closely as you
can so that it will resonate as

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closely to the individual as you
can.

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So it will have the deepest
acting effect.

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Now that's all constitutional
prescribing.

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That's that's for chronic
disease, for really deep

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diseases, There's a lot you can
do with acute diseases.

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You don't have to delve that
deeply into it.

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Probably the most commonly known
homeopathic remedy is arnica.

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It's the, of course, it's the
best remedy for pirates.

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Arnica.
So arnica is good for trauma.

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If you take the arnica plant,
it's a beautiful yellow flower.

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But if you were to grind it up
or eat it or whatever, it would

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have this kind of a toxic effect
where you're, you're, you'd feel

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kind of sore and bruised.
And that's, you know, that's why

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it helps with, with bruising
and, you know, sprains and

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strains and, and things like
that.

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And people with, you know,
arnica cream on their sore

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shoulder or take the arnica
pellets when they, you know,

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have a, you know, a sore back or
whatever it is.

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So arnica, you don't nearly need
to know all the, the, all the

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details about arnica.
It's a pretty acute, not very

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deep acting remedy, but it's so
useful for so many acute

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diseases, trauma type things.
Well, Donna, like I was saying

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for fevers that come on quickly
and and your face is flushed and

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pupils dilated.
If you have that, you know,

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there's a lot of a lot of
different diseases, a lot of

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different viruses that will
cause that kind of a thing with

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a fever and flushed face and all
that.

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So Belladon is often very good
acute remedy for a lot of of

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these types of diseases.
If there's probably, I don't

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know, 20 or 30 remedies, cute
remedies that if you knew those

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and the kind of the, the basic
things that they are called for,

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you could treat quite a few
things with homeopathy, maybe

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not curing cancer or getting,
you know, deep into, you know,

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some of the, you know, really
chronic diseases, deep acting or

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you know, long term life term,
lifelong things.

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But there's a lot that you can
do with acute prescribing.

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It's a great way to start.
And once you see how well the

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00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,560
acute stuff works, sure dive
into some of the, you know, the

446
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,760
deeper stuff, learning more
about some of the the antisoric

447
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,760
remedies and the anti miasmatic
remedies and all that that that

448
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,200
you can delve into much deeper.
So and I've heard it described

449
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,000
as like energetic because of how
diluted it it is.

450
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,040
And I think that's what turns a
lot of people off to it like

451
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,040
because people don't again,
we're back to that word, believe

452
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,040
in it.
What do you do?

453
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:09,120
I don't have you come across
patients like or, you know, pet

454
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:10,960
parents like that or.
Sure.

455
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:16,840
I, I had one that was that said
to me, yeah, I brought up

456
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,560
homeopathy.
Yeah.

457
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,280
What's, what's the atomic number
of that, you know, or something,

458
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,400
you know, is it was like, well,
I don't know what's the atomic

459
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,360
number of gravity?
There's no atomic number for

460
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:31,120
gravity, but you believe that
gravity exists.

461
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:33,920
What's the atomic number for?
You know, there's so much in

462
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,360
this world.
Photons don't have an atomic

463
00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:40,320
number, but we use laser light
to, to, to treat diseases.

464
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,280
One of the one of the many
things that I do is a

465
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,040
therapeutic laser treatments
that pulse infrared laser light

466
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,000
at different frequencies that
will stimulate nitric acid,

467
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,120
nitric oxide levels in the cells
and ATP production and blah blah

468
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:56,760
blah.
And it's all scientifically

469
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,880
proven.
It's actually FDA approved.

470
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,280
But people say God, what lays
light there was, you know,

471
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:03,840
something.
Anyway, I digress.

472
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,040
Just because something doesn't
have an atomic number doesn't

473
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,440
mean it isn't real.
And even Doctor Hahnemann knew,

474
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,000
I mean, they didn't know about
Avogadro's number and you know,

475
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,720
atoms and you know, whatever
back in those days.

476
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,600
But he still kind of knew that,
boy, these things, if you dilute

477
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:26,520
something one to 10 or 1 to 112
times, there's really, there's

478
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,800
nothing left of the original
substance.

479
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,640
And yet he found that the more
he experimented with this and

480
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,040
the higher the potencies, the
more repetitions of the dilution

481
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,560
and secussion, dilution and
secussion, he found that some of

482
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,080
these remedies, some of these
things became more and more

483
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,440
powerful.
Their healing, healing improved.

484
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,120
And yet it was more dilute.
And he actually, he, he did some

485
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,960
other experiments to kind of
look at what's going on with

486
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,040
that.
He tried, maybe it's, is it, is

487
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,640
it the dilution?
So he tried not secussing but

488
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,560
very carefully to lightly
stirring and diluting and

489
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,200
stirring and it didn't get that
effect.

490
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,720
And then he took substances and
you know, made a one like very

491
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,320
dilute whatever diluted it and
sekus, sekus, sekus, sekus,

492
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,240
sekus, it didn't have that
effect either.

493
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,400
It was the alternating dilution
and sekussion that somehow

494
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,600
brought, brought forth the
healing properties of these

495
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,360
substances.
So what was the original

496
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:32,000
question?
I don't even know.

497
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,680
I don't even know.
I was just lost in the story,

498
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,160
but that that it does make me
think of, you know.

499
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,440
Oh yes, of bioenergetics.
OK.

500
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,680
Not to interrupt you, but no.
No, no, you're good.

501
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,040
So yes, even Doctor Hahnemann
knew that there, that there had

502
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,600
to be something more than the
substance itself, that there was

503
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,040
something brought into the
solution from the substance of

504
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,320
bioenergetic pattern, a
fingerprint, if you will, of the

505
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,400
substance without the toxic
effects of this substance.

506
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,440
But there was still something
vibrational there.

507
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:14,240
And there's, there's been some,
some studies, I think MRI

508
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,680
magnetic resonance imaging that
you know, that shows, OK, there

509
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,080
is something, there is something
there in a, in these two

510
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:28,040
substances that are chemically
identical. 1 is just the sugar

511
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,360
pills for the milk sugar that
the substances are generally put

512
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,760
on and one is blank pellets and
one is pellets with a remedy.

513
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,360
And sure enough they can tell
that there's a difference there.

514
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,840
So there is something that goes
on, it's just not chemical.

515
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,840
But there's a lot of things that
go on in our world that aren't

516
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,600
chemical.
So and it, and it, it does make

517
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,040
me think a little bit because I
know it's easy for us to say

518
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,200
like, oh, humans ruin everything
and we ruin a lot.

519
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,920
Don't get me wrong, we ruin a
lot.

520
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,520
But, you know, when I think of
like, like, like a zoo farm and

521
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,240
cognosie or, you know, where
animals can self select they're,

522
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,320
they're probably not going to
select an arnica plant or a

523
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,680
belladonna plant or something
that is known to be toxic or is

524
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,760
going to like, upset the stomach
or like.

525
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:20,240
But but that human intervention
was actually a good thing for

526
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:20,640
once.
Yeah.

527
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,640
I mean, animals do a deer will
eat Mullen in the in the fall,

528
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,200
right?
And it's good for the

529
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,880
respiratory system and you know,
helps, you know, for, you know,

530
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,560
colds and flus and things like
that.

531
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,040
And they will purposely seek
that out during cold and flu

532
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,040
season, cold and flu season, let
me just say.

533
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,120
So every year we have a candy
holiday.

534
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,400
I was going to say yeah.
Followed by a pie holiday,

535
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,960
followed by a cookie holiday,
followed by an alcohol holiday.

536
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,200
And we call it flu season,
right?

537
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,200
Anyway, animals will seek out
medicinal plants.

538
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,920
They don't dilute and succustom.
Whoops.

539
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,880
And hit my computer here.
They don't dilute and succustom

540
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,520
and turn them into homeopathic
remedies, but they certainly

541
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:11,600
seek out herbal remedies.
Yeah, the dilution and secussion

542
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:18,000
was kind of, you know, stumbled
upon, but, you know, a

543
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,320
remarkable way to turn some of
these medicinal plants, which

544
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,280
some of them you had to be
careful with, like digitalis

545
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,800
from the foxglove plant.
It can kill you.

546
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,880
It can also save you if you've
got heart disease, there's not a

547
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,080
lot of difference between the
curing dose and the and the

548
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,120
toxic dose.
You know, there is some

549
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,280
difference and if you're very
careful with the prescribing.

550
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,560
But that was one of the reasons
was one of the things that

551
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,080
pharmaceutical companies kind of
came about was because people

552
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,480
would take, you know, different,
different foxglove plants would

553
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,200
have different, you know, one
that grew in the spring versus

554
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,720
the fall or on the hill versus
in the valley or whatever.

555
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,440
They might have different
amounts of digit digit in their

556
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,160
in their leaves.
And so when people made this

557
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,760
remedy for heart disease plant,
you know, herbal remedy, yeah,

558
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,320
some people died because it was
too, too rich and there wasn't

559
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,600
really good ways of of kind of
measuring, you know, how much is

560
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,280
actually in here.
So pharmacies came about to

561
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:27,320
standardize the dosing so that
when we take digoxin, we know

562
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,520
we're taking the right amount
and not saying nothing, you

563
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,280
know, too toxic.
But nature often has a way of

564
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,240
balancing things.
Dandelion tincture is a really

565
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,920
good diuretic, probably better
than lasix.

566
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,320
Lasix is a good diuretic, but
what?

567
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,960
But it also has a tendency to
deplete potassium from the body.

568
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,840
Dandelion is naturally high in
potassium.

569
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,960
So it comes with this natural
balance.

570
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,560
And then what modern medicine
does is, oh, where's the, what's

571
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,320
the, the active ingredient?
Let's, let's get rid of all the

572
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,160
other stuff.
This is the one active

573
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,920
ingredient.
And it doesn't work that way.

574
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,600
Like CBD, for example, now that
it's become generally legal.

575
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,880
The science has been just this
avalanche of research coming out

576
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,360
about all the different things,
the whole endocannabinoid system

577
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,280
that we had no idea existed even
like when I was in school.

578
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,000
But what science does is that,
oh, there's a plant that has,

579
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,040
has these medical properties.
What's the active ingredient?

580
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,200
Oh, it must be CBD.
It let's get rid of the THC and

581
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,520
the blah, blah, blah, blah.
And let's just, it's CBD.

582
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,680
And yes CBD is good, but it's
better when you have the entire

583
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,000
complex of the 300 or so
different cannabinoids and the

584
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,840
all the other terpenes and blah
blah blah all those things X

585
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,320
synergistically and and far
modern pharmacology.

586
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,240
Taking this one thing out of a
plant and calling it the

587
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,880
curative substance is just very
short sighted.

588
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:01,800
It is very short sighted, I
agree.

589
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,440
I've been talking a lot about
that lately with colleagues and

590
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,199
trying to get more content out
around that here very shortly.

591
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:14,159
So it, it, it is, it's very, in
my opinion, too short, short

592
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,239
sighted of us.
One of the other questions that

593
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,840
I wanted to ask you about
homeopathy, I hear this a lot,

594
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,080
is that you, you can't hurt
anything with it.

595
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,679
Is that true?
Mostly it's let's let's say it's

596
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:31,719
difficult to do any harm because
the, you know, it's diluted so

597
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,639
that the toxic properties are
diminished.

598
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,400
You can complicate things with
homeopathy if you don't know

599
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:43,560
what you're doing, but it's hard
to like, you know, kill someone

600
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,159
with it or something.
You know, if you, I'm going to

601
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,440
stick some arsenicum in their
drinking water and they're going

602
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,320
to get this arsenic.
Well, no, actually, it might

603
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,600
help cleanse arsenic from their
bodies.

604
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,120
You can't.
It would be hard.

605
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,240
But if you're, yeah, if you're
trying to cure and you're kind

606
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,240
of stumbling, you're trying this
remedy in that rainbow,

607
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,200
sometimes this remedy kind of
disrupts the case and

608
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,000
complicates things.
And then it makes it harder for

609
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,840
the more the actual remedy to,
you know, the the better remedy

610
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,040
to do its job.
I.

611
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,040
Don't know the best I can kind
of come up with it.

612
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,560
You can do some harm with it,
but but not a lot of harm.

613
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,880
OK, gotcha.
You mentioned also that you've

614
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,640
had a lot of success using
homeopathy with different cancer

615
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,560
patients and I have not heard a
whole lot about that specific

616
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:38,880
topic.
So I'd love to hear.

617
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,680
Sure.
So I actually do a multi pronged

618
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,720
approach for cancer.
I don't use just homeopathy.

619
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,880
If you can get the right
constitutional remedy for that

620
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,920
individual, I mean, if you get
the right remedy, you can cure a

621
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,320
rainy day.
It's remarkable.

622
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,320
It can do, but sometimes there
are layers and you got to hit

623
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,440
the right remedy on the nail on
the head every layer down and it

624
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,120
can be tricky.
It can be done, but it can be

625
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,160
tricky.
So I do I do things that are a

626
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,920
little bit different for cancer.
Well, first of all, I talked

627
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,000
about earlier, always start with
the diet, get them off a

628
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,560
processed food.
And there's certain veggies that

629
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,440
are particularly good for
helping the body to fight

630
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,120
cancer.
The cruciferous vegetables like

631
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,480
broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels
sprouts, cabbage, they those

632
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,800
contain indals and quercetin and
things that help the body to

633
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,280
fight cancer.
So, you know, want to increase

634
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,600
those veggies.
And also the veggies, anything

635
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,280
with that red, yellow, orange
color that shows that it's high

636
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,720
in beta carotene, other
carotenoids, Yeah, carrots and

637
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:43,320
squashes and sweet potatoes and
red bell Peppers, things like

638
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,720
that.
So you want a diet in an

639
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:51,680
unprocessed raw meat and veggie
diet with particularly

640
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,760
emphasizing cruciferous and red,
yellow type of vegetables.

641
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,360
So we always start with that and
then we get them off of

642
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,600
anything, any extraneous
chemicals that they don't

643
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,520
absolutely need.
They're on thyroid hormone and

644
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,600
their thyroid is totally shot
and they need the hormone.

645
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,880
OK, fine, keep them on the
thyroid hormone, but you know,

646
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,720
try to take them off the
heartworm preventative and the,

647
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,280
and probably the number one
thing is don't vaccinate

648
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,080
anymore.
A vaccinating an animal with

649
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,080
cancer can be like pouring gas
on a fire.

650
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,320
And generally the vaccines last
way longer than what everyone

651
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,400
tells her they last.
So they're absolutely fine.

652
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,640
And if you're concerned about
it, run titers and see if they

653
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,320
still have the antibodies, which
generally they do for the rest

654
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,560
of their life.
So they don't need the vaccines.

655
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,640
They could accelerate the growth
of the cancer.

656
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,200
So you get them off of all those
types of extraneous chemicals.

657
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,000
And then I'd really try and
build up their immune system

658
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,920
with, you know, transfer factor
and medicinal mushrooms,

659
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,520
Myitaki, Shiitaki, Turkey tail
mushrooms supporting the organ

660
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,280
that the cancer is in.
So standard process makes a

661
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,800
whole slew of supplements,
nutraceuticals that support each

662
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,520
organ.
So if the, if it's in the liver,

663
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,960
you put them on liver support.
If it's, if it's lymphoma or

664
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,600
whatever you, you use, you do a,
a nutraceutical that supports

665
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,840
the kidneys or the thyroid or
the whatever it is that the

666
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:16,800
cancer is in.
And then you, well, there's,

667
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,680
there's things like turmeric I
use with almost all my cancer

668
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,840
cases now, turmeric, this is an
interesting thing.

669
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,000
Turmeric is wonderful.
It's got anti cancer, anti

670
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,760
aging, anti-inflammatory.
It's great, great stuff.

671
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:33,120
It's only about 1% absorbable.
It's nature's great practical

672
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,800
joke.
Here's this great herb that's

673
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,560
healing.
It does all these things for you

674
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,040
and you can't have any, and the
1% that gets into you is good,

675
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,320
but it wouldn't be great to get
more, and they do.

676
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,760
There are ways of getting more
in there.

677
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,840
You can add black pepper and
coconut oil and that'll get the

678
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,120
absorptability up to 3 or 4%,
which is better than one, but

679
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,880
still really terrible.
I found these folks in Germany

680
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,840
that figured out a way to
complex the curcumin from the

681
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,480
turmeric with cyclodextrin,
which is a ring of sugar type

682
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,320
molecules in a doughnut shape.
And they stick the curcumin in

683
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,800
the doughnut hole and then the
body looks at it.

684
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,440
In particular, cancer cells who
love sugar look at it and say,

685
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,360
oh, sugar, I'll take that.
Pulls it in, pulls the curcumin

686
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,640
right along with it, increases
the absorptability 40 fold.

687
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,720
It just blows all of their
turmeric supplements out of the

688
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,080
water.
Wow.

689
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,760
So I always put almost all my
cancer cases on it.

690
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,040
It's called cava cumin.
I used to have to import it from

691
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,640
Germany.
I think there's someone in, I

692
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,120
don't know, Minnesota or
Michigan or someplace with an M

693
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,440
that imports it now that we
don't have to go out of the

694
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,480
country, but it's still
difficult to find in this

695
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,080
country.
But I, you know, I get, you

696
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,760
know, 10 kilogram lots about
once a year.

697
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,040
I go through a lot of it.
I take it myself, honestly.

698
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,240
I take half a teaspoon and a
glass of water every night.

699
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,000
Helps with aches and pains and
it's a great supplement to take.

700
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,880
Oh, again, all my, almost all my
cancer cases, I'll put them on

701
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,840
that.
And you know, and the mushrooms,

702
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,800
the immune support, there's some
erybidic herbs like harataki or

703
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:07,400
I can't remember the scientific
name, Terminalia turbula or

704
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,560
something like that anyway, that
has good anti cancer properties.

705
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:16,680
And then of course CBD and I
typically use the one from CBD

706
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:21,120
Dog Health who you know Angela
produced or created that line of

707
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,440
products which are excellent.
I know I have.

708
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,240
I've actually started referring
to it as full spectrum hemp

709
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:33,320
extract just to just not because
it's easier to say it is not,

710
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,040
but because so many people here
CBD and then they just go buy

711
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:42,120
the cheapest CBD they can find.
And I'm like, no, that's not

712
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,160
what I want.
I want you to get a full

713
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,560
spectrum hemp extract.
Right at the proper dosing too,

714
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,480
at the proper, you know,
concentration.

715
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:56,720
So yeah, I mean, first of all,
OK, it's a whole new unregulated

716
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:01,400
industry.
And there was a paper that was

717
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,440
published that where they went
out and they bought 100

718
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,280
different brands or I don't know
how many of CBD products and had

719
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,080
them third party tested and some
ridiculously high number.

720
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,720
I can't remember what it was,
I'm going to say 20.

721
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,720
It was, it may have even been
more, but it was, it was a lot

722
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:18,880
of the brands that are out
there.

723
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,760
What was on the label wasn't
necessarily reflective of what

724
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,960
was in the bottle.
So just because it says cannabis

725
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,200
or CBD or whatever, you, you
want to make sure it's third

726
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,920
party tested and make sure that
what they're claiming it is, is

727
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,240
actually there.
And you're right, full spectrum.

728
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,880
I mean, there's a lot of, you
know, just not what do you call

729
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,320
it, not when it's not full
spectrum, broad spectrum, OK,

730
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,120
broad spectrum is better than
just CBD.

731
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,360
But no, you want full, full
spectrum.

732
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,960
You want all of the stuff that
that nature provided and you

733
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,360
want it to be organic and you
want it to be, you know,

734
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,480
etcetera.
And CBD, cannabis extract,

735
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:07,960
whatever you want to call it at
what is it like 2 point, 2 TH 5

736
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,680
milligrams per kilogram is kind
of like your typical dosing for

737
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,160
pain and anxiety and you know,
things like that.

738
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,720
But if you're talking about
seizures or cancer, you want

739
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:23,960
more like 2 1/2 to 5 milligrams
per kilogram.

740
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,360
It's almost like, you know, 5 to
10 times the dosing that you

741
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,240
would use for other things.
And so people going out and

742
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:35,320
buying a CBD product, it may be
way too dilute for what you're

743
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,280
treating.
It may not be full spectrum.

744
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,840
It may not even be CBD for that
matter.

745
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,040
And then you also you utilize
homeopathy on top of that.

746
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,400
I do, I do.
And if I can can work out a

747
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,640
constitutional remedy or a an
obvious trigger.

748
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,080
It all came it all they all
started downhill or, or the

749
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,160
tumor came up right after they
received three different

750
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,960
vaccines in one day and they had
the strong reaction and then

751
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,800
right at the vaccine site, the
you know, this, this tumor

752
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,960
develops.
So, you know, something like

753
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,640
really obvious that OK, well
then we definitely would start

754
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,600
with a, you know, vaccinosis
remedy, Thuia or sulfur or, or

755
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,000
Silicea, you know, would be the
top three.

756
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,560
There's, there's others that
could be appropriate, but

757
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,560
typically it's one of those more
often than not Thuya.

758
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,600
So, you know, we'll often start
with something like that.

759
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,480
And then if there's, if it's
clear what the next layer is,

760
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,040
we'll we'll certainly stick with
it.

761
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,560
A lot of times it's it's not
clear cancer, it's a complex

762
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,560
disease with, you know,
different miasms, interplaying

763
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,240
and and stuff.
And it, and it can be tricky to

764
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:43,960
ferret that all out.
So one thing that I've often

765
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,440
done, and this, this is not
exactly classical homeopathy,

766
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,080
but there's a, a doctor from
India, doctor Rama Krishnan,

767
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,040
whose methods that I have
adopted for those cases where

768
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,680
the constitutional remedies is
not clear, he'll do a, an

769
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,280
alternating remedy.
One week they're on an organ

770
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:09,200
specific remedy, next week
they're on a cancer nosode and

771
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,440
it basically stimulates the body
to be aware of this organ, be

772
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,120
aware of cancer, be aware of
this organ, eventually be aware

773
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,840
of cancer in this organ.
And then so for example, let's

774
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,040
say bone cancer.
The kind of the the classic one

775
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,520
organ specific remedy is a
remedy called Hekla lava.

776
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:31,760
It's actually a remedy made from
lava from Mount Hekla volcano

777
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,800
somewhere and they somehow that
happens to resonate with the

778
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,560
bones.
And then we'll alternate that

779
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:43,360
usually with Carcinosin.
So the cancer nosode made made a

780
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,600
remedy made from a cancerous
tumor.

781
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,200
So I'll, I'll alternate those
two, you know, in one week

782
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,480
they're on one, one week on the
other.

783
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,560
He also does a plussing method
which I will sometimes adopt,

784
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,200
and the way we adapt it for
animals we'll have is put a dose

785
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,760
of the remedy in a dropper
bottle and dissolve it in 11

786
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,120
squirts of water.
And then you give a squirt.

787
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,920
You set the timer for 10 or 15
minutes, you succus the bottle a

788
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,840
couple of times and give another
squirt, 10 or 15 minutes later,

789
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,280
succus and squirt 10 or 15
minutes later, succus, squirt.

790
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,680
You do that 10 times, you'll
have one squirt left in the

791
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,880
bottle.
The next day you dilute what

792
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,880
would that one squirt with 10
squirts of fresh water.

793
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,760
So you're diluting it one to 10
and secussing with each dose.

794
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,520
And the next day you dilute that
one squirt that's left in the

795
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,400
bottle again with 10 squirts of
fresh water.

796
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,440
So you're it's a one to 10
dilution every day with a lot of

797
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,840
secussion in between, which is
of course how homeopathic

798
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,040
remedies are made, alternating
dilution and secussion.

799
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,480
So you're constantly ramping up
the potency of the remedy.

800
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,480
If you give the same potency of
a remedy to a patient over and

801
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,360
over again, the body gets used
to it very quickly and it has

802
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,160
less and less of an effect.
So this is a way of keeping them

803
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,840
under the influence of the
remedy longer for the whole

804
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,000
week.
And then at the end of the week

805
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000
you go to the second remedy with
the second dropper bottle.

806
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,080
You go through the whole thing
with a dilution and secussion.

807
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,440
And then week 3, you go back to
the first dropper bottle with a

808
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,280
fresh dose of remedy and start
over.

809
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,120
And we just, you know, do that
all back and forth and we'll

810
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,800
sometimes see that they get
better this week and little, you

811
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,520
know, lower energy the next week
and better and lower.

812
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,720
And if we're seeing that
pattern, OK, the the remedy that

813
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,800
that were they are not doing so
well, we need to change that

814
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,480
one.
So it takes, you know, a lot of

815
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,000
observation of is there a
consistent pattern to are they

816
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,320
are they just getting better and
better?

817
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:39,640
Great.
That's what we'd love to see.

818
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,920
But if it's they're getting
worse with one remedy, then we

819
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,200
got to change remedies.
So I, I want to talk to you

820
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,040
about the future of veterinary
medicine, but before we do that,

821
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:55,520
I just want to, this may be
totally dense of me, but as you

822
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,400
were talking, I just realized
something that I don't know if I

823
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,560
realized this before.
And so I wanted to say it in

824
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,280
case anybody listening is like
still having a hard time

825
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,720
understanding homeopathy because
I think this just made sense to

826
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:10,320
me.
One of the things that I've

827
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,280
learned and that I tried to pass
on to other people is that, you

828
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,640
know, we live in a very toxic
world and we are constantly

829
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,000
bombarding the body with bad
food, especially, you know, if,

830
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,760
if all the animals eating is
older, processed diet, bad food

831
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,800
and chemicals and fragrances in
the air and, you know, there's

832
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,720
smog outside and pesticides on
the lawn.

833
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:39,520
And so one of the things I
talked about is how overwhelmed

834
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,120
the immune system is and it
doesn't know where to focus

835
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,320
because there's just too many
things going on.

836
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,960
And so it might focus on one
thing and it's not exactly what

837
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,160
you want it to be focusing on.
And one of the things you said

838
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,960
through the course of this is
that this energetic medicine,

839
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:02,040
homeopathic remedy is kind of
going into the body saying this

840
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,720
is where you need to be
focusing.

841
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,640
Yes.
Does does?

842
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,080
Is it my thought process?
I don't know if that's this is

843
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,320
just my thought process of like
trying to understand how this

844
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,720
works.
Yeah, I mean, that's not true of

845
00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:17,880
all homeopathic remedies.
OK, OK.

846
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,320
Some treat the whole body, but
there are some that have an

847
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,160
affinity for the nervous system
or an affinity for the GI

848
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,680
system.
And those are the remedies that

849
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,360
I tend to use with the cancer
treatments.

850
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,960
Gotcha.
At least using the Rama

851
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,760
Christian method when I'm using
more classical homeopathy, you

852
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,120
don't necessarily look at that
as as.

853
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,480
It's a it's.
So the more classical is like

854
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,840
the like treats like kind.
Of like treats like, and, and

855
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,880
it's still like treats like
we're still choosing a remedy.

856
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:51,560
I mean, there there's usually
several remedies for, you know,

857
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,000
cancer in this organ or cancer
in that organ.

858
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,080
There's several that that could
come up.

859
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:05,520
And so you look at the symptom
picture of those three or four

860
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,480
or five different top remedies
and you choose one that has the

861
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,200
similar type of discharge, the
similar type of pain sensation,

862
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,440
you know, whatever it is.
So it's, you know, it's not,

863
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,440
it's not throwing classical
homeopathy completely out the

864
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,600
window.
It's just a shortcut that is

865
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,600
often useful, especially for
such a difficult disease to

866
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,960
treat.
But I'm not saying it's the only

867
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,160
way to do it.
And certainly, you know, the

868
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,080
ideal is to, you know, do the
more classical prescribing and

869
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,200
hit each the nail on the head,
correct each time.

870
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:37,400
It's not always possible to do
that.

871
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,760
Gotcha.
So one of the other things you

872
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:45,120
said is to stop vaccinating.
And if you really need to

873
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,200
somebody is, you know, got a
hair up their butt, then go

874
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,880
ahead and tie your test.
Right.

875
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,680
Now I, I was not expecting to
share the story, but since you

876
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,000
said that it came to mind.
I recently moved and I took my

877
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,880
dog to a new veterinarian.
And I believe me when I tell

878
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,440
you, like I called so many
places.

879
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,040
I did this when I moved the last
time to, I called so many

880
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,440
veterinary offices and just to
get like a feel of who they are,

881
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,760
what they're because.
Because for me, a lot of times

882
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,560
the best case scenario is find a
veterinarian who was open minded

883
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,320
enough to have conversations and
agree to disagree.

884
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,680
And so I thought based on the
conversation I had with this

885
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,720
person at the front desk, that
this was the kind of clinic I

886
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:35,040
was going into, totally not the
kind of clinic I was going into.

887
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,400
I spent the whole time with this
veterinarian who got very

888
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,400
flustered by the way, I think
because she didn't know how to

889
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,400
handle.
I was just calm about everything

890
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,440
and said OK, thank you, I
understand instead of like

891
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,440
arguing or crying or whatever.
And she when we got because I

892
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,920
had submitted my dog's titer
test to them before I even got

893
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,760
there.
One of the things she said was

894
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,960
that she didn't believe and
there was not science proving

895
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,000
that titer test tell us
anything.

896
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,200
And I'm like, OK, I mean, that
was just one of like, I don't

897
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,440
know, 15 things that I was like,
I'm not coming back here.

898
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:20,440
Especially when my raw fed dog
had a high bun with a good SDMA

899
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:25,480
and she did not even ask me to
do a urinalysis and decided that

900
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,280
she had kidney disease.
But anyway, yeah.

901
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,960
Thank you for bringing that up.
For people who are listening,

902
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:37,440
the BUN or bun is it's naturally
higher on dogs on a high protein

903
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,120
raw food diet.
It does not mean that their

904
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,720
kidneys are failing.
That's as a normal test result

905
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,640
for that diet.
The SDMA is normal.

906
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,600
You do not have kidney failure.
But I just yes, thank you for

907
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,200
for bringing that is another big
sticking point that yeah, yeah.

908
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,320
Yeah, I mean, didn't even ask to
do a urinalysis.

909
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:04,320
I was like, OK lady.
So anyway, that brings me to the

910
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,800
future of veterinary medicine
because I think like I was

911
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:13,400
saying, a lot of times the best
case scenario is as open minded

912
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,160
as possible.
Agree to disagree.

913
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,160
Use an allopathic veterinarian
for your labs for Wellness

914
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,400
checks.
And then I don't know what like

915
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,720
find a holistic or integrated
vet who does telemedicine,

916
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:33,320
utilize holistic pet health
coaches, you know, nutritionist,

917
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,800
all the things that are out
there and available to you.

918
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:42,440
But one of the things that I had
talked to you about previously

919
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:48,640
was the idea of a lot, a lot of
the holistic veterinarians that

920
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,800
especially that attend like the
AHVMA conferences are at that

921
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:59,440
age where they are looking at, I
want to retire soon And there

922
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:04,440
aren't as many younger
veterinarians coming in that are

923
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,640
like expressing a lot of
interest in learning.

924
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,640
But you guys have so much
knowledge that really needs to

925
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,760
get passed on.
So there is a crisis in

926
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,400
veterinary medicine.
And I think if we could get your

927
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,880
knowledge and others like you
out there, then maybe we

928
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,120
wouldn't.
We have such the crisis we have.

929
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,920
But I don't know what are your
thoughts around this.

930
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,040
Well, but it's complex.
I mean, part of it is the

931
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,480
corporate takeover of veterinary
medicine, holistic medicine, you

932
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,280
know, is not as profitable, at
least on paper.

933
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,560
Let's just go going back to the
vaccine thing.

934
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,880
The markup on vaccines is, is
ridiculous.

935
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:49,560
It's like, you know, 10 times
what the vaccine costs, whereas

936
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,000
A tighter test, the cost of the
lab work you're you're maybe

937
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,800
doubling it or whatever.
So you're the costs like I make

938
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:00,720
about the same amount of money
per jab, whether I'm jabbing

939
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,000
something in or pulling blood
out.

940
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,760
I'm making about the same amount
of money because the tighter

941
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,120
test is a little more expensive
than the vaccine, although we're

942
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,240
only running the tighter test
every three years.

943
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,200
So it actually in the long run
saves you money.

944
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,560
But for the amount of time that
I spend, I'm making the same

945
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:25,080
amount of money.
But on paper, my costs of

946
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,000
business costs are just way
higher because laboratory costs

947
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,560
are much more expensive than the
vaccine cost.

948
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,000
And so when they do practice
analysis and run their their

949
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,960
formulas and their numbers, my
practice doesn't look very

950
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,920
profitable.
And even though I'm making, you

951
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:50,880
know, the same amount per time,
but their formulas are just off

952
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,720
for my kind of practice.
So corporate medicine doesn't

953
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,400
care about the patient, they
care about the profit.

954
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,760
Profit driven medicine is
destroying veterinary medicine.

955
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,960
You talk about veterinary
medicine being in a crisis, it's

956
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,800
because so many of these
practices are being bought up

957
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,400
and taken over by these big mega
corporations whose interest is

958
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,360
in how can we maximize the
amount of money that we can

959
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,720
extract out of each patient
visit has nothing to do with

960
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:26,720
what's best for the patient.
Now you can make more money that

961
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:30,800
way by pushing all those
vaccines, pushing that extra

962
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,120
whatever, you know, wormer
medicine every month or the

963
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,640
whatever, you know, pushing,
pushing all these things that

964
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,640
they don't need and may actually
be harmful to do all the same

965
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,800
time or in conjunction with
these other things, or maybe

966
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,360
just harmful in and of
themselves.

967
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,960
But they're not looking at that.
They're looking at how much

968
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,640
profit can we make?
Now by making that extra profit,

969
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:58,600
they're able to to take
something out of the new

970
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,320
students and say, hey, we can
give you this kind of salary

971
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,800
come to join our team.
And so it's harder for small

972
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,920
practitioners, individual owned
practices to make ends meet.

973
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:17,480
We got to we got to compete with
them for staffing costs, and

974
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:22,360
it's great to be able to pay the
staff more, but where's that

975
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,880
money coming from?
It's coming from the health of

976
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,120
the animals.
Ultimately their health goes

977
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,600
down so that the profits can go
up so that they can pay the

978
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,120
staff that I then have to
compete with.

979
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:42,280
And it's a lot harder for me to
stay in business that way that

980
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,840
that's one of the things that's
destroying veterinary medicine.

981
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:53,640
I did just hire a wonderful vet.
She's only been out for a few

982
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,320
years.
She did a externship rotation

983
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,800
through us when she was in
school.

984
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,040
And she's come back to, to work
for me and I'm teaching her all

985
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,320
these things.
There are people, there are some

986
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,920
young people who are more
interested in or in, in, in

987
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,600
practicing good medicine rather
than filling their wallets.

988
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,000
And hopefully they'll be, you
know, more and more, you know,

989
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,720
you know, who want to follow
that path.

990
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,560
I'm doing what teaching I can.
And when she eventually,

991
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,920
hopefully, maybe she'll take
over the practice and I can

992
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,520
maybe put all the stuff that
I've learned over these decades

993
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,200
into a book.
But yeah, there's been other

994
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,960
people have written good books,
Marty Goldstein and blanking out

995
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,920
of the some of the but there's a
lot of books out there that are

996
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:34,920
good.
But who's reading them?

997
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,520
Not the vets, generally
speaking.

998
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:41,280
It's, it's the clients who like
you hopefully are going to drive

999
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,360
business, you know, look for the
vets who have, you know, who are

1000
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,680
open to these things.
The more you go to those types

1001
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,880
of vets, the better their
business is.

1002
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,320
The more they can stay in
business, the more they can pass

1003
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,840
on this knowledge, the more they
can compete with the allopathic

1004
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:02,640
medicine.
Go to theahvma.org.

1005
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,600
I think its.org and they'll, and
they've got members now, just

1006
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,240
because you're a member of the
AHVMA doesn't mean you're a good

1007
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,000
vet.
But if you're looking for

1008
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,040
someone who practices the kind
of medicine that I practice,

1009
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,080
that's a great place to start.
There's other organizations as

1010
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:25,560
well, like the a, a, the AVHTHE
avh.org, that's the Academy of

1011
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,240
Veterinary Homeopathy.
Again, they have a, you know,

1012
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:32,080
find a practitioner section and
they've got continuing education

1013
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,560
and, and, you know, annual
conferences and all that.

1014
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,960
I tend to like that group.
I mean, if you're looking for a

1015
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:44,720
really good holistic vet, I
think it's my personal bias

1016
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,880
because my original
certification was in homeopathy

1017
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,600
and I think there it's generally
a really great group of

1018
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,640
veterinarians, but that's a
great place to start if there's

1019
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,040
no one in your area.
Sure.

1020
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,160
The HVMA likely has someone and
you know, any of the Ibis, you

1021
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,880
know, the Veterinary Acupuncture
Society, there's a lot of groups

1022
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,160
out there that have their
websites that have their

1023
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,640
referral system.
Those are great places to start.

1024
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,800
And yes, we're still kind of few
and far between and hopefully

1025
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,880
there's someone in your area.
But if not, yes, telemedicine is

1026
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,440
still an option until they take
it away.

1027
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:24,440
Right, so I lost my train of
thought.

1028
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,200
I just appreciate you coming on
and bringing all of this

1029
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,880
knowledge with you and being so
willing to share it with my

1030
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:40,200
audience.
We are, we're small, but mighty,

1031
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,160
right?
Like the the healthy pet space,

1032
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,240
in my opinion.
Like we are growing, but we're

1033
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,080
still small in comparison to the
big guys.

1034
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:53,440
And so, you know, I just do my
best to bring on the the best

1035
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,400
education that I possibly can.
And I appreciate that you were

1036
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,760
willing to come on and and be
part of it.

1037
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,680
Yeah, I hope.
I hope that everything goes well

1038
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:06,360
with your new hire, that she
absorbs everything.

1039
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,560
And goes and gets her
certifications like you did and

1040
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,680
just continues that legacy
because I, I mean, we need it so

1041
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,240
badly.
We are again, I go back to like

1042
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:21,120
human medicine because it's,
it's this path that veterinary

1043
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,120
medicine kind of follows.
Human medicine, though it might

1044
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:28,120
be a lot quicker than it has
been with AI coming into things.

1045
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:31,520
I don't know, You know, I, I saw
something the the other day

1046
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,960
because in human medicine, women
are just so, I mean,

1047
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,880
intentionally discriminated
against for so long and still

1048
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:46,160
really a disservice is being
done to us every single day.

1049
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:51,280
But it was like at 13 years old,
we put you on hormone therapy

1050
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,840
and then you come in in your 20s
because you can't get pregnant.

1051
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,960
And then it in your 40s, we put
you on a different kind of

1052
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,800
hormone therapy.
And then somewhere in there you

1053
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,920
may need some surgeries.
And you know, we're going to

1054
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,240
offer you an ablation now,
right?

1055
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:10,600
So like we have just, I feel
like this is the trajectory of

1056
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,680
what we're doing to humans and
our pets alike is just, it seems

1057
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:20,000
insidious to me.
And I think I don't know how

1058
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:24,120
much intentionality there is,
but it seems very intentional to

1059
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,560
sell you what's going to cause
you the problems later on and

1060
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:30,920
then sell you the solutions for
those problems.

1061
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,320
And I, I just, I feel like
that's the same thing happening

1062
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,280
in veterinary medicine And so
many veterinarians don't see it.

1063
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,520
And that's my biggest, like, I
think that's one of our biggest

1064
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:43,840
hurdles.
It's like veterinarians have to

1065
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,640
start seeing it like you did,
right?

1066
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,400
Yeah, yeah, it's, I don't know
how intentional.

1067
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,240
I, I think it's, you know, more,
more ignorance or being led by

1068
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:58,200
the nose from it may be
intentional, say up the line

1069
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,200
from the, in the pharmaceutical
companies, but they're giving

1070
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,600
continuing education and stuff
to the vets who you know,

1071
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:11,120
though, they'll tell the vets,
no, I, we don't know how long

1072
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,480
the vaccine lasts.
We only, we know, as far as we

1073
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,120
know, it only lasts a year.
So it's better to be safe than

1074
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,320
sorry and just just keep pumping
those in year after year and the

1075
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,760
vets just kind of buy it.
Oh, OK, I guess we'll just say,

1076
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,320
well, they say it was safe.
OK, well, we'll just do that.

1077
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,120
And, you know, I think they're,
they're following what they were

1078
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,160
taught and they're following
what they think is right.

1079
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:36,240
Maybe somebody higher up did it
all intentionally just to make

1080
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,240
more money.
Who knows, But I think most vets

1081
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,040
are.
They have good intentions, they

1082
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,680
just haven't bothered to
question some things that they

1083
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,680
were taught.
Yeah, it's funny.

1084
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,240
I was literally this morning
having that conversation with

1085
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,600
Doctor Ruth Roberts about how
many people don't have critical

1086
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,320
thinking ability.
Tell me about it.

1087
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,800
And like how hard it is to teach
those critical thinking

1088
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,320
abilities.
But anyway, again, thank you so

1089
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:08,080
much for being here for sharing
your with at least a tiny little

1090
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,400
bit of your wisdom.
And I hope, I hope to be seeing

1091
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,000
you around soon.
Is there anything else that

1092
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,360
maybe we didn't touch on that
you're like, no, I wanted to say

1093
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:16,840
this.
Oh, I think we're good.

1094
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:18,840
It's been delightful being on
your show.

1095
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,840
And yeah, I appreciate you
having me.

1096
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,480
And maybe I'll be back sometime
with some other things to say.

1097
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,600
I don't know.
I'd love that.

1098
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,320
Awesome.
Thank you so much Doctor Bob and

1099
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:30,440
you at home listening.
Thank you so much for being

1100
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,120
here.
Please give your pets some extra

1101
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,360
love from both me and Doctor Bob
this week and I will talk to you

1102
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:36,160
next week.