202. Stress-Free Overseas Dog Trips: Insider Tips from Pawdega Founders

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Welcome back pet parents.
Today's episode has been a while

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in the making and I could not be
more excited to introduce you to

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Charlie and Larry Pruden from
Padaga.

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Padaga is a online holistic and
natural pet Wellness store that

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has locations now in the USA as
well as Dubai.

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And they ship worldwide, which
is incredible for people who

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don't have access to things
locally because we don't all

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have access to things locally.
And one of the things that's

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really cool about this is just
how much they take the time to

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put into sourcing products that
are truly natural and holistic.

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So let me get Charlie and Larry
on the show for you guys.

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Thank you both so much for being
here and working around your

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schedules traveling all over the
world.

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I just appreciate you 2 so much.
Yeah, thank you so much for

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having us.
We're super excited to be here.

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Thank you.
Yeah, I'm so excited that this

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finally worked out.
Yeah, so, OK, Paul Daga, I have

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seen you guys online for years
and was so interested, but

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honestly, for the longest time
I'm like, oh, well, they're in

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Dubai.
Like I don't what what am I

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doing paying attention to this,
right?

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Yeah, You guys recently opened a
location where you're shipping

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in the USA now.
And I'm just really curious.

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We're going to talk about a lot
today.

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We're going to talk about Paul
Dago.

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We're going to talk about how
you go about like deciding what

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products you carry.
Of course we're going to talk

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about Milka, who everybody, if
they follow you guys wants to

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know about and traveling and all
the things.

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But I would just love to hear
kind of that origin story, like

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why did you guys start Padaga?
What inspired you to create this

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kind of business, especially one
that's focused so heavily on,

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you know, fresh food and natural
supplements?

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Because this is, I mean, it's
growing, but it's still pretty

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niche.
Absolutely.

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Yeah.
So of course, our dog inspired

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us.
She was the original

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inspiration.
But as like so many pet parents

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get into or get interested in
holistic health because their

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pets at some point were sick,
right.

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So this is what also happened
with Milka when she was a puppy.

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We had just moved to Dubai and
there was a lot of changes for

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her and the environment,
obviously with food.

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And she just kept like being
very sick.

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She kept throwing up.
And I remember there being, she

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also had a lot of like hot spots
and diarrhea and things like

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that.
So I remember there being like

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one week where she woke us up in
the middle of the night like

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five nights in a row just
throwing up.

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You know, every pet parent wakes
up when that sound comes, right.

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So yeah.
And we just were at a point

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where we're like, it's not
working what we're doing.

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Like we've just been switching
from premium kibble to the next.

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And, you know, the vets all said
they don't know what's wrong

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with her.
We're feeding great food.

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We're doing all the right
things.

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Like they just didn't couldn't
help us.

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So at that point, we had a
friend who kept telling us about

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raw food and we should just try
it.

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And we were very apprehensive at
the time because our vets were

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telling us not to do it.
So at some point we were like,

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you know what, what we're doing
isn't working, so let's just try

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this raw food.
So, and we didn't, we, we

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switched her kind of from one.
Like we did a slow transition,

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but it was quite fast for her.
And she was just like a

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different dog.
There was no more throwing up.

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There was like slowly all her
other issues went away.

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The hotspots never came back.
And we were just like left

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feeling like, holy Molly, like,
what just happened?

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Like, why?
Like why are all the vets

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telling us not to do this when
this was the thing that made our

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dog so much better and reduced
all our vet bills?

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Because our vet bills were
really high back then.

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Although we were spending less
money on food back then.

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We spent all that money on vet
bills.

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And now we're kind of like
spending a lot less money in

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general because we just don't do
a lot of vet visits anymore.

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And that kick start our journey
as to like our interest in

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holistic pet health.
And from there it just spiraled

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into like, OK, now let's look
into natural flea and take

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treatment.
Let's look into natural

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shampoos, let's look into
supplements.

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What's gut health all about?
And all these things that just

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gradually, yeah, sparked our
interest into learning more and

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more and more.
And we wanted to share all of

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that.
So from we're always very

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interested in sharing things
with other people.

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And back then it was really just
like just this we we just

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couldn't believe that.
Like nobody was talking about

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it.
It felt like nobody was talking

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about it.
Exactly.

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So we just started sharing
Milka's journey on her Instagram

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account back then and that
again, just spiralled.

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And so more and more pet
parents, specifically in Dubai

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and the UAE, asking us for help.
And we started, you know,

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suggesting certain things to
them, like get these probiotics

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from adored beasts, for example,
But nobody would do it because

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it's just so far away.
And like you have to import the

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products into Dubai as a
customer and it's quite

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expensive.
And that just turned into us

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realizing, OK, if we actually
really want to help other

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people, we need to bring these
products into the UAE.

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And, and that just went into
like, we knew that if we were

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going to open a Wellness store,
we'd want that store to be the

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safest place where pet parents
can come to.

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Because at the same time, we
were very fed up with going to a

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pet store and taking like 8
hours or longer to like, you

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know, just stand there and be
like.

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Research Ingredients.
Searching and we're just not

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sure what what's actually safe.
It says natural on the front of

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the bag, but when you turn it
around, you barely understand

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any of the ingredients.
So we're just like very fed up

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with that.
And we knew that if we were

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going to open a pet store, then
we would make sure that it's the

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safest pet store and pet parents
don't have to worry about all of

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the ingredients that could
potentially harm their pets.

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My goodness, I think so many of
us are on this journey because

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one or more of our pets was
sick.

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I know.
Like that really wasn't even the

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case for me.
I did have a sick dog, but I

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didn't like equate improving her
food to improving her health.

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I just was like, I think I was
just being motherly and like

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wanting to do more and started
cooking food for her.

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And it was just like, one day I
looked at my husband and I'm

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like, my gosh, like, when was
the last time Claire had a

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seizure?
It was amazing to Start learning

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these things.
But what you were just talking

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about Charlie with like the
front of the bag says natural.

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I, you know, I've recently
started talking about this on

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the live version of the, of the
podcast with a couple of

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different guests greenwashing.
And it is happening in every

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industry of course, but in the
pet industry, it just makes it

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so much harder for pet parents
to really find good products.

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So I am curious, how do you guys
go about selecting the products

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and the brands that you carry?
Like what?

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And this is a big, big question
I know.

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But like can you talk about some
of the standards that that you

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guys have for when you do vet a
product to decide are we going

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to bring this in to to our shop
or not?

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Yeah.
So like one of the first things

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that we do is really check for
brand credibility.

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So we we look at the brands, is
it a reputable, is it a

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reputable brand?
Then we start looking at each

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product.
Then we look at the ingredients

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of those products to see, OK, do
they even fit within our store?

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And then going beyond that, then
we start looking at we ask these

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brands, how do they source their
products?

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Like are they, are there
ingredients ethically sourced?

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You know, and then we start,
then we move beyond that as

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well.
Then we check for individual

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reviews, like what do actual
people say about these products?

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So we, we want people to give
their honest feedback so we can

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make a decision on whether or
not we would stock the product.

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So we can also help the people
that shop with us as well.

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And I just want to add to that,
like, the most important thing

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for us is that it's not just
safe for pets to consume, but

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also like sniff or be exposed to
like for with toys, for example,

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like it's very important that
like just the dogs are going to

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sniff the toys.
For example, are they going to

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inhale toxic chemicals when they
sniff the toy?

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Like it's it's a product or chew
on the toy.

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Yeah, it's a product that they
don't necessarily consume.

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But even with things like that,
it's very important to really do

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a lot of research into what the
products are made of and what

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consequences these ingredients
or materials have on our cats

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body.
Larry kind of tried to really

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simplify it, but like this
process takes days, if not weeks

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sometimes.
And we do it for every single

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product.
We don't just say, OK, you know,

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this brand is generally safe.
So we bring in all of their

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products.
We actually really look at every

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single product of a brand
because like some brands do have

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some products that we wouldn't
bring in and then we don't bring

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them in.
So it really depends on a case

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by case basis on the product.
And it's really important for

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pet stores to not just read
ingredients, but really

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understand the impact that the
ingredients have because we've

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like we've hired other pet
stores, say things like, Oh

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yeah, I read every ingredient
before I bring in a product.

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But that's not enough.
You need to understand that the

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ingredient, what it is and what
the impact of it is.

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Well, yeah.
And I, you know, I think it's

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it's one of those things with
where, you know, you are, you

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have a store and you have to
make money to keep that store

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open.
And so I talked to a lot of

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people who have like brick and
mortars here in the States and

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it's kind of all over the place
as to how they choose the

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products that they bring into
their shop.

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And some some of them are there
like, well, we got to pay the

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bills.
So we still stock these products

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that, you know, I maybe they
might not even feed to their

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animals or give to their animals
to play with.

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And it's like, I mean, I get
that you have to keep the doors

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open, but also like, I don't, I
think that's such a hard.

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Things to.
Do to make those decisions like

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there are because there are
definitely stores that will not

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stock anything that they won't
feed their own pets and they can

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keep their doors open.
So it's it there, There's this.

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I'm very curious like.
Your perspective.

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On on this part of it because
they're again, at the end of the

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day, it's a business, but it's a
admission driven business as

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well.
And so kind of balancing that,

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how you guys say that?
Man, this is like, this is such

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a great question because I think
right now, especially as we're

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travelling through different
countries and we're seeing like

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what like income levels of the
people and you know, their

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wealth and you can see it's,
it's so hard because like as you

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said, people got to pay their
bills, you know.

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But from our side, I think we
have, I don't know, maybe it's

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our geographical location of
where our businesses are

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located.
I believe that the people that

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shop with us have the ability to
afford.

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The thing about natural products
is generally they are more

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expensive and raw pet food is
going to be more expensive than

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kibble.
I think as a as because your

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question is regarding the
business owners.

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So I think first of all, we are
very grateful that we're able to

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stick stick to our values
because it definitely isn't

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easy.
So I definitely understand.

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I think it's a great, if these
business owners are honest about

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it, what you just said, you know
that they're honest about like,

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hey, I do have to keep the
lights on and I do need to sell

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some products that I don't maybe
necessarily agree with 100%, but

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I have to do it to keep the
lights on to keep my business

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running.
And that might still be better

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than, you know, like they're
still offering a lot of other

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nice natural things to their to
their audience.

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So that's still better than
closing the shop down, right?

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But at the same time, I think

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there are a lot of pet owners
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in the UAE after we popped up
that started using our words.

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But they didn't really, they
weren't honest about them not

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checking.
So that's what we were referring

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to earlier.
So that's like there's a

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difference between being honest
and your customers knowing what

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they're coming for you to your
store for.

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And then there's there's the
difference of not being honest,

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but trying to look like an all
natural Allstate store, right?

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So there's these two
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But I think when it comes to
like really like our store, for

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example, for us it has been very
important for us to really

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continuously educate our
audience, which again isn't

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easy, but to like just reiterate
why people are coming to us

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because we're the safe space,
because we are.

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Yeah, we're we're kind of making
our own life harder by only

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offering completely safe and
non-toxic products.

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But we're continuously telling
our audience about that and they

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know that when they shop with
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So, yeah, that that's kind of
the way that we are able to

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continue to operate because our
audience really appreciates that

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about us.
So yeah.

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Yeah, that's what I was.
Saying add anything to that.

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No, I, you said it much better
than what I was trying to say.

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Yeah, I think it's, it's, it's
just, it is hard, you know,

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because I, I don't want to judge
anybody out there, you know,

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selling, you know, products that
I wouldn't necessarily agree

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with or sell.
But I understand bills got to

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get paid.
And just as you said, you know,

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it's better to offer some great
things than no great things.

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Yeah, Yeah.
Well, and Charlie, you mentioned

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where I was going next with the
other part of this business.

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You're not just providing
products, you are educating

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consumers.
And I know so many people get so

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overwhelmed with even the
tiniest little bit of

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information coming into this
space, whether whether it is for

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their pets or even for
themselves.

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Like when you you try to start
educating yourself on more

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natural holistic options, you're
like, wait a minute that you

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know, this is how we've been
doing this forever and ever and

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ever.
And how do we not know about

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this all of a sudden in the last
100 years, we've all forgotten

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how quickly actually we all
forgot about all of it.

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But it is a huge part of what
you do.

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How do you guys go about
educating people and maybe

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helping them manage some of that
overwhelm, Especially when they

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encounter a shop like yours
where they may be like none of

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this looks familiar to me, where
do I start?

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Yeah, Yeah.
So that's a great question.

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We've always been very big on
education and raising awareness

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just because we like from a very
beginning, we just were so

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passionate about this whole
topic.

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And we were just like, how
could, how could let's not talk

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about it?
How, how could this be such an

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unfamiliar thing to most regular
pet parents, right?

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Because also we were first time
pet parents actually.

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So yeah, we just right from the
start started diving into social

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media and just sharing Milkas
journey.

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But along the way, we've worked
with some of the world's most

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renowned holistic and integrated
fats and health experts.

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Yeah, and really amplifying
their voices too.

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Exactly so and now we have the
podcast Next Level Pet Parent,

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which also is just an amazing
platform for us to share not

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just our story and our like
Milka's journey, but again, like

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interview experts and just share
like their journeys as well.

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And I think it always also comes
back to showing pet parents like

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just go one step at a time.
There's so much information out

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there and it's so easy to get
overwhelmed.

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And we've been there for sure.
But it's always important to

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just prioritize, think about,
OK, these are the five things

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that I eventually want to
implement.

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Let me start with one thing and
start there.

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And once I got that going, I
start with the other things.

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And I think something that's
very important for me always is

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to find ways to implement things
that are actually going to be

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implemented in a way where I can
go through with something.

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So like I need to somehow find
the best way to implement

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something in the most convenient
ways so that I can actually

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manage it on my daily day, daily
life, right?

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So like, if I know, I don't know
if I know I'm going to use

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supplements in milk house food,
I'm going to put them on my

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kitchen counter so that I don't
have to take them out of the

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drawer every single time I use
them because I know I'm going to

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forget about it, right?
So just little things like that

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to make it easier to implement
the things that we actually want

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to do.
I found that very helpful.

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How about you?
Yeah.

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For me, I think it's it's about
being practical about about the

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stuff that about what we're
doing.

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Yeah, yeah, I that that hits so
hard because even, you know, I

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know people look to you guys,
people look to me and they're

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like they've got it all
together.

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They're doing all these
wonderful things right.

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And I'm over.
Here like I don't remember if I

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put garlic and my dog's meal
tonight.

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Like I have no idea did I do?
That did I not do that?

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Like she needs it.
It's spring, you know, it's

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getting warm here.
I need, I know I need to be

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starting it again.
I don't know if I did that

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right, but it is like, how
practical can we?

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Like we really do need to make
things as practical.

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And, and I think that's also
part of choosing some of the

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supplements that I mean, I don't
have a shop, but the supplements

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that I recommend, I'm like, OK,
what can we?

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That is going to like hit as
many bases as possible.

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So we're doing as few steps as
possible, adding the least

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amount of junk into the food as
possible.

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I, I just appreciate that so
much because that can be hard.

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We can definitely, even in the
natural space.

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I've been talking to people
about this recently.

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It's like we, I see this really
hard and I actually went down

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the rabbit hole a little bit
myself picking supplements for

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myself.
It's like everywhere you turn,

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somebody has something else to
sell you and it's natural and

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it's wonderful, but like, do you
need it?

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You know what I mean?
So it can be really, really

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overwhelming with even in in the
space we're in, paring down and

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picking and choosing like what
is actually necessary for that

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individual animal in front of
you.

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So yeah, I just appreciate that
so much.

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And you guys keep bringing up
Milka.

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So I think it's time that we
talk about her a little bit

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more.
I know she inspired Paul Dega

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and the journey that you've had
with her, but I would love to

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learn just a little bit more
about, like you said, you

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switched her to a raw food and
that's great and that's

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wonderful.
But I think we all know that

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that's not 100% of what changes.
Yeah.

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So I would just love to hear a
little bit more about like

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Milka's actual story and
journey.

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Yeah, so like after we
transitioned Milka to a raw food

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diet and we started listening
more to the holistic and

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integrative experts, we started
looking more into functional

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supplements and enhancing
health, so looking at ways to

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help prevent cancer because as
you know, nearly one in two dogs

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over the age of 10 are being
diagnosed with cancer.

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So that was a big point for us
because we're like, Oh well, we

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obviously want our dogs to live
as long as possible.

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So what are the experts saying
about this?

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So we looked at all right,
incorporating antioxidants, you

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know, helping her to detox,
helping like just so many

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different areas to help prevent
cancer like such as fighting

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inflammation in the body.
But what else would you say?

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I just want to add for anyone
who maybe isn't familiar with us

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or Milka yet.
Milka is a French bulldog and

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she is now.
She's turning 10 years old this

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year and she's amazingly
healthy.

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I'm so grateful for it.
But we started this journey with

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her when she was around 1 year
old, so or maybe one year and

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almost six months.
That's when we started our her

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Wellness journey.
So and back then we very into

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cancer prevention because that
was a really big topic in the

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holistic pet Wellness community
back then.

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And we actually went on one of
our trips to America to one of

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the pet health conferences.
We shot a documentary, a little

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mini documentary about pet
cancer prevention.

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And it was just so amazing what
all of these holistic vets told

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us about different ways that we
can provide pet cancer

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prevention for our animal.
And yeah, that really kick

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started again, our interest in
all of these topics.

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But yeah, natural phlegic
treatment was a big one as well,

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which I think we should talk
about a little later because now

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that we're travelling around the
world, we just came back from an

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island in Thailand with Milka
and yeah, unfortunately there's

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takes.
Yeah.

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So we had, we had a couple of
not so pleasant surprises last

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week.
But yeah, she's OK.

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Yeah, she's OK.
Definitely.

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It's just it's a journey.
I think gut health was a huge

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one for us as well, like
learning more about gut health,

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probiotics and things like that
with Milka.

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Yes.
So that actually is the original

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topic that I asked you guys to
come on about was traveling with

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Milka because it's my gosh, it's
hard enough typical American.

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I've barely left our country.
I mean, I've, I've been outside

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of the country a handful of
times, but it's one of those

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things that I think people in
America at least we say like,

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why do Americans never travel to
other countries?

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And it's like, well, we can
travel to other countries by

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going to other states almost
like we can't.

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I mean, the culture is, is very
different, but the culture

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state, state to state can be
very different too here in

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America.
But it's difficult enough, I

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guess is what I'm getting at,
for me to travel between states

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with my dog.
And I'm just like, how do people

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travel internationally with
their pets?

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I don't know.
And then they, you know, all

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these rules and especially the,
you know, vaccinations.

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And I'm just like, Oh my
goodness, like, how, how do you

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do it?
How do you do it?

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Yeah, it's, it's actually not
that hard.

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I mean, when you search online
to say you choose a country that

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you want to go to, you can
always check the government

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website for what they require
for a dog to enter into the

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country.
And I think now we've traveled

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to maybe 5 different countries.
It's Malka multiple times.

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So I think we've traveled
internationally with her like 10

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times.
But the documents are actually

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they're not.
There's not too many documents.

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You definitely have to make sure
you have them.

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And we, we share our some travel
experiences actually on our

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YouTube channel.
So if you were interested in how

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to travel from America to
Germany or how to travel to the

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UAE or how to travel Mexico,
yeah, Mexico was probably the

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easiest country that we that we
went into because they required

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the least documents, honestly.
So, but we post all of this

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stuff on our YouTube channel for
people to see how to actually do

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it.
And you'd be surprised.

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It's not that hard, even though
you would think it would be very

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difficult.
But for us personally, it's it's

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not hard.
Yeah.

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But it, it, it's also because we
have a small dog.

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So if you do have a big dog,
unless it's a service dog, it's

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going to be a lot more
complicated because you would

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have to put them into the cargo.
So yeah, they're, it's, you

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know, it depends on, on your dog
as well.

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So I'll say that.
So how do you go about feeding

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her and getting the supplements
if you're in all these different

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countries?
How?

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How?
Does that, Yeah.

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That's a really, really, really
great question, So.

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Sorry, I think also maybe we
should mention we are digital

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00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,680
nomads.
So we're not just like taking

453
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,600
vacations with our dog.
So we actually right now don't

454
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,200
have a home base, which is very
freeing actually.

455
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,360
It's amazing.
We're really enjoying it.

456
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,920
So we're in Thailand right now
for six months.

457
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,600
Yeah.
So we work remotely in different

458
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,400
countries.
So and when we were in Mexico,

459
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,160
we were there I think almost
three months.

460
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:30,640
Then we were in America for
almost five to six months as

461
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,040
well.
So we're like we're choosing

462
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,600
different countries and then
we're staying there for like 2

463
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,480
to six months.
Yeah.

464
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,880
So, OK, so how do we feed milk?
So it depends on the country

465
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,360
that we're going to.
So typically America has amazing

466
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,440
raw food out there.
So we were feeding grain Juju

467
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:58,320
and solutions pet food and then
when we were in Germany we were

468
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:03,360
feeding a a local raw brand was
was a really amazing quality

469
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:04,880
honestly.
But then.

470
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,960
But we had all her supplements
with us.

471
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,560
Yeah, we.
Travelled all her supplements.

472
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,200
So we travelled with a lot of
supplements actually and it's

473
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,560
really great because like for
example, what just happened last

474
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,240
week when we were on the island,
on a remote island actually this

475
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,400
happened 2 times because it also
happened in Mexico.

476
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,920
She got got a tick, but we had
everything to help, you know,

477
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,160
deal with that.
You know, pretty much anything

478
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,000
that were were to come up, we
have something for it.

479
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,520
It's not convenient like as far
as the amount of products we're

480
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,600
traveling with, but for us, it
makes us more comfortable to

481
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,360
know that we have nearly
everything that we would kind of

482
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,600
need as far as food, right?
So some countries, the raw food

483
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:53,080
scene is not really big or they
don't necessarily meet our

484
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,000
particular standards.
So.

485
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,040
Such as Thailand.
Yeah, such as Thailand for

486
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,520
example.
So the really great thing is

487
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:06,240
that we have access to freeze
dried raw food, which is like

488
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,800
for those that are not familiar,
it is pretty much raw food with

489
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,560
just the moisture removed.
So it is a dry product and all

490
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,840
that is required from us is to
just rehydrate it with water or

491
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,560
bomb broth.
So that's that's, and that's

492
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,640
been working.
So she she loves it.

493
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,120
So it's really great.
Yeah, so we literally like she

494
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,440
has her own suitcase, like a
full size suitcase with six

495
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,840
months worth of freeze dried raw
food and yeah, all her

496
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,480
supplements and everything.
Like we, we travel with the

497
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,960
national flea and tick shampoo,
natural, the intake repellent.

498
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,120
What else do we have?
We have lots of homeopathics as

499
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,800
first aid, remedy kids.
Yeah.

500
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,200
And like obviously when we
travel for six months with her,

501
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,760
we also need to travel with
like, you know, multiple tubs of

502
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,120
her probiotics and things like
that.

503
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:05,480
So we really, we have definitely
simplified her health regime a

504
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,280
lot.
Now that we're travelling, we're

505
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:14,840
giving her a lot, yeah, a lot
more multi company supplements.

506
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,920
So yeah, multifunctional
supplements, I guess as much as

507
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,600
possible so that we can just
take less.

508
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,440
But yeah, it's she's, she's like
a little person.

509
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:31,800
So I mean, yeah, I, you know, it
had mentioned that earlier with

510
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,520
like trying to find products
that have that serve so as many

511
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,800
different functions as possible
and just simplifying things.

512
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,720
And I think maybe that is
something that has evolved with

513
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:48,200
you guys traveling the way you
do, just kind of simplifying

514
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,080
things for her.
And I would imagine that helps

515
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,960
you in the education part of it
and in recommendations that she

516
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,000
might have for pet parents to
really keep things as easy as

517
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,360
possible because we're all in
different places, right?

518
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:09,160
Like there are certainly.
It was actually, yeah, the inter

519
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,560
the interview already aired, my
latest interview with Billy

520
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,240
Hookman from Green Juju.
And he was talking about how

521
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:21,080
like much he did for Lua, right?
And then when he had Maple and

522
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,760
he was like, wait, I literally
like, he had this thought where

523
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,800
like, everybody has plenty of
time to do all this stuff for

524
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,160
their dog.
And then he was like, oh, wait,

525
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,840
no, like I'm literally spending
all of my time trying to keep

526
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,840
this newborn alive.
I can't do all of this stuff for

527
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,320
my dog anymore.
And that was kind of like an

528
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:44,000
epiphany to him to where like
not everybody has the time that

529
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,280
I have to put into my.
And, and I mean, that's kind of

530
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,800
an extreme case probably.
But you know, just an example of

531
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,120
how like we're all in different
stages and life changes and we

532
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,640
have to be able to adapt.
And I, I appreciate that that's

533
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,800
probably changing your education
piece quite a bit as well.

534
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,920
Yeah, I mean, I, I always like,
sorry I lost my train of

535
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,600
thought, but I completely
understand that because I think

536
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:22,320
people just have to do what like
they can actually go through

537
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,520
with.
And we're the same.

538
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,560
We actually really appreciate
like we used to do our own raw

539
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,480
food and we're so grateful that
we don't have to do that

540
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,080
anymore.
And that's like the first thing

541
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,880
we gave up because we're like,
we're not about that life.

542
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,320
And there's plenty of people
that love that and that's

543
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,360
amazing.
But we weren't necessarily one

544
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,960
of those people.
Also we were like, we just

545
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,200
really want to find a really
amazing quality pre made raw.

546
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,160
And like we do all of our
research to make sure that

547
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,520
that's good.
And then we were really happy

548
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,240
being able to feed that.
And now it's like that with the

549
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,360
freeze dried raw.
Like we found a really amazing

550
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:07,080
quality and we're happy feeding
that Jamaica and we are very

551
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,920
grateful for that.
I completely understand that.

552
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,120
So you had mentioned earlier,
Larry, about kind of, you know,

553
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,880
in your travels, seeing the
different income levels, just

554
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:24,240
what people are going through,
what they can afford, what you

555
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,480
know, what they're, what we can
afford and what we want to be

556
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,120
able to give to our pets.
They don't always match up

557
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,200
right.
And I think you guys are in kind

558
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:38,120
of this really cool and
interesting position traveling

559
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:44,080
around the globe.
How, how has your views on the

560
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,560
pet industry just generally
through our pet health and, and,

561
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:53,360
or the pet industry, how it,
it's so different between

562
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,600
different countries?
Like are there any insights that

563
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,440
you guys have have had during
your travels so far?

564
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,480
Has it changed how you guys
think about what you're doing

565
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,280
with Podega, what you're doing
with the education piece, with

566
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,679
your YouTube channel?
It's a yeah, it's a really great

567
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:11,400
question.
It's it's so interesting to like

568
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,880
be on the ground, you know,
travel to all these different

569
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,480
countries and countries like
Mexico and Thailand that we've

570
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:26,480
been to recently seeing how like
there's so many St. dogs here

571
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,560
and the people, they really do
take care of these animals.

572
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:35,800
These dogs live completely
different lives than dogs in

573
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,679
America, Canada and most of
Europe, right?

574
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:43,800
And, and, and these countries,
dogs are truly domesticated,

575
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,760
like they live with their
humans.

576
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:51,040
But these dogs in Mexico and and
Thailand where we are right now,

577
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,560
a lot of these dogs are living
on the street.

578
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,600
Like they have owners, but the
dogs pretty much live on the

579
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,000
streets.
And it's such a different type

580
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,640
of lifestyle because these dogs
also look, in my opinion, so

581
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,920
much happier, right?
Like they have that freedom, but

582
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,800
the quality of the food that a
lot of these dogs eat is very

583
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,560
low.
A lot of them scavenge.

584
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,120
So they're not they don't even
have access to like high quality

585
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,840
nutrition, which is also quite
interesting, But I wouldn't

586
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,000
necessarily say it changes my
view on how, you know, on the

587
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,400
things that we offer because I
do truly believe that

588
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:37,560
domesticated dogs do not live
like street dogs are free

589
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,360
roaming dogs, right?
Like so I think interest on high

590
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,640
quality nutrition for
domesticated dogs are really

591
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,400
really important because they do
not have the freedom to roam

592
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,280
like these free running does.
What would you say?

593
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,960
I think we should like really
tell you a little more stories

594
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:02,760
because like we've just, we've
just been in an Airbnb where it

595
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,640
was absolutely beautiful.
It was like a little tiny home

596
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,520
and it has windows on all four
sides basically.

597
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,240
So like we can see everything.
And this Airbnb was on a

598
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,920
property that's like a plant
sanctuary.

599
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,280
So this guy, he was like
adopting plants that were dying

600
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,480
and trees that were dying and
then he plants them in his

601
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,280
property and then they grow
again.

602
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:33,440
And he also adopted 2 St. dogs.
And these dogs, they were, it

603
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,560
was so amazing seeing them every
day.

604
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,720
And actually there was one more.
There was three dogs in total,

605
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:43,000
but one of them wasn't his.
But anyway, it was so amazing

606
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,840
watching these three dogs live
their life every day.

607
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:53,240
And it was so insane actually to
see Milka sitting inside the

608
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:57,560
house, watching them enjoy their
house outside and like they

609
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,600
would come and they would be
like, hey, come.

610
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,160
On the window, scratching on the
window like hey, come outside.

611
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,200
Yeah, and then like milk, I
played with them outside plenty.

612
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,000
But I mean, during the day it's
really hot.

613
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,800
So they would like just go into
the lake that's nearby and just

614
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,640
cool off there and then come
back and be covered all in mud.

615
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,040
And then they play and then they
chase a bird and then they do

616
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,960
this and that.
And it's just, it was so amazing

617
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,800
and beautiful to watch these
dogs be outside and be so free

618
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,400
and be allowed to do what they
want to do.

619
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,800
But then also to see that they
are so aware of their

620
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,040
surroundings, like they never
really left the property too

621
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,440
far.
They would never like run away

622
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,280
or anything like that.
And then even, and then even in

623
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,680
the morning time when we take
Milka on a walk, like Milka has

624
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,600
her leash that's dragging on the
floor behind her and she has her

625
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,640
little tracker on so we can
track her at all times because

626
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,920
she's an explorer.
She will run away if she gets

627
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,560
the chance.
So, so, and then these dogs

628
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,720
would join us on our morning
walk and they would come and in

629
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:12,640
Thailand, the street dogs like
the like real St. dogs, they are

630
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,840
very territorial.
So sometimes we would not be

631
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,000
able to actually walk Milka that
far because the street dogs

632
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,000
would come and they would bark.
And that happened on the first

633
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,840
day, the the dogs from our
property, they joined us on our

634
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,320
walk.
And then we got to the end of

635
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,240
the road and then these other
street dogs came and Milka was

636
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:37,280
like, OK, what's happening?
And then these other two St.

637
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,840
dogs from our property, they
just ran away back to the

638
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,640
property.
And then the next day we go down

639
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,920
that same St. and Milka has no
clue.

640
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,480
She has she has no clue of her
surroundings.

641
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,480
She's like, yeah, I'm just on my
walk.

642
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,640
And these these two property St.
dogs, they're like so aware of

643
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,720
they're like the.
Airs go immediately up, they

644
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,520
start walking slower.
They look around, they're like,

645
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,320
where are these dogs?
I'm not in my territory anymore.

646
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,440
This is their territory.
And it's just so interesting to

647
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,080
watch them live, you know, so,
and to see really, wow, we've

648
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,800
domesticated dogs, They've lived
with us for so long.

649
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,760
If Milka sees a snake, she'll go
chase it.

650
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,800
If these dogs see a snake, they
will not go near that snake, you

651
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,080
know, So some of them might, but
they'll learn their lesson very

652
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,480
fast.
So it's just so interesting to

653
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:35,000
watch how how these dogs react.
But that being said, there's

654
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:40,800
also so many people over here
that have even breed dogs,

655
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,120
right?
Like we've seen Maltese, for

656
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,880
example, over here in Thailand
and these dogs also are off the

657
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,920
leash the entire day.
They don't run away.

658
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,440
So it's just, it's so
interesting that that freedom

659
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,480
part has been so interesting to
us because I wish, like, I love

660
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,080
nothing more than to let milk
off leash and let her explore.

661
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,720
But I know I can't really trust
her, even though with all the

662
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,360
training that we've done, she
has chased camels in the desert

663
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,880
of Dubai before.
So she just puts herself.

664
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,200
Into these dangerous situations,
you know, So, yeah.

665
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,840
It's an interesting part of
health, you know, that I think a

666
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,360
lot of people don't necessarily
think about, you know, like the

667
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,920
actual going outside, being off
leash and for how long.

668
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,920
I mean, we know, we we hear
about, you know, some of the

669
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,160
longest living dogs, all of them
lived outside, all of them had

670
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:39,920
free access to the outdoors.
And if you compare that with

671
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,920
great nutrition, I think it
would be so much better.

672
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,960
But I think for like these two
extremes from what we see, like

673
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,920
we see domesticated animals for
the most part having the best

674
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,800
nutrition, but they are free
roaming status is quite low over

675
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,480
here.
We see the animals for the most

676
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,640
part have this really free
roaming lifestyle, but the

677
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,160
quality of nutrition that they
consume is very low.

678
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,560
So it's quite interesting to
see.

679
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,640
I think nutrition is is
incredibly important and I will

680
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,080
always advocate for high quality
nutrition, but it's just so

681
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,880
interesting to see how you know
these these animals here live

682
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,080
their lives.
How so different from the

683
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,840
Western world?
Yeah.

684
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,920
And also like, I'm, I'm just so
grateful that like we get to

685
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:36,280
even talk about supplements for
pets because I don't like, if I

686
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,360
would go over here to these
people and talk to them about

687
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,680
supplements for their dogs, they
would be like, yeah, OK.

688
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,320
So you know, the the fact that
like we can all like even be

689
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:51,640
interested in this whole topic
of holistic pet Wellness, that's

690
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,960
just such a big privilege.
And I'm very grateful for that.

691
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,760
Yeah, yeah.
What I was thinking as you were

692
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:05,000
telling that story and like that
contrast between those two

693
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:11,640
rescue dogs and and Milka is,
you know, we as humans, I mean,

694
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:16,320
I think some of us, we try,
we're trying to kind of

695
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,760
reconvene with nature and how we
should be living.

696
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,720
No, we're not really.
We're both sitting on couches

697
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:29,600
inside of four walls.
We're still pretty far removed

698
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:35,080
from nature and that is where we
have brought our dogs with us is

699
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,840
pretty far removed from nature.
And seeing, well, in my mind's

700
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:47,000
eye, seeing those Rescue St.
dogs with their hackles up

701
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,920
because they know they're going
into another, you know, dense

702
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,760
territory versus Milka just like
prancing along.

703
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,880
And like.
That is, that is to me like the

704
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:02,120
epitome of the disconnect that
we have with nature, right?

705
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,440
Like that's, I don't know,
that's just where I was thinking

706
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,480
the whole time you were telling
that story is like that right

707
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,200
there.
That's that line, that's that

708
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:16,040
delineation between how living
beings interact and connect with

709
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,440
the natural world around them
versus how we've decided to

710
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,040
live.
Yes, absolutely.

711
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,080
And also within the last month
since we've been in Thailand

712
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:31,640
specifically and observing these
rescued property dogs, they,

713
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:38,320
it's been, so I have been
wondering like, are we just like

714
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,400
helicopter momming, you know,
like milk?

715
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,040
I, you know, like, should I just
be letting her do her thing and

716
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,640
learn by herself a little more
often?

717
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,720
But it's so difficult because
it's like, I don't want her to

718
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:54,880
get hurt, you know, So from for
example, I think about cats, she

719
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,400
has such a fixation with cats,
right?

720
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:02,800
So she chases them and it's very
dangerous because they can

721
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,480
scratch her and Frenchies, they
have the big eyes.

722
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,320
So and you know, one time
actually, she did get scratched

723
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,640
by a cat in her face, which
wasn't that bad.

724
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,520
But I'm just like, how does she,
how does she get to learn by

725
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,840
herself that this is dangerous
and she should not be doing it?

726
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,200
But like, I can't just let her
go to the cat because that's

727
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,680
dangerous.
So it's just such a, yeah, it's

728
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,560
something that I've been
thinking more of, like how can

729
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:37,960
we let her do more by herself
and learn by herself versus like

730
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,320
not putting her in dangerous
situations?

731
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,320
And we do, we do train her a
lot.

732
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,600
Like she's very well trained.
We do positive reinforcement

733
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,440
with her.
We do lots of treats.

734
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,640
But she's also a friend.
She's so she's very stubborn.

735
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:57,920
So yeah, it's an interesting.
It is interesting and literally

736
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,920
just today my dog walked out the
door the the garage door was

737
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,880
open and she walked out into the
front yard and I'm I'm like

738
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,400
running behind her and I
literally said to her, I'm like,

739
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,400
I don't what do you think you're
free range or something like

740
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,320
what, what is this?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

741
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:18,680
Exactly.
And she's just doing what's

742
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,880
natural to her.
And I'm like, yeah, no, get back

743
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,320
inside.
But you know, I'm over here like

744
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,720
I don't run in traffic.
Then she's like, let me explore.

745
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:33,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It is it's it is hard.

746
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:38,640
It really is, especially when
cuz again, my dog Kim, she is, I

747
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,800
have, I have kind of slacked on
her training some lately

748
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,360
because, you know, again, with
positive reinforcement, but I,

749
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,200
you know, it's something you do
have to continue to reinforce

750
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:56,000
throughout their life.
And she will do what I asked her

751
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,840
to do most of the time.
But if there is another dog,

752
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,960
there is no way she and and I
just know that about her, right.

753
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,680
You know, there is, there's no
way I'm going to be able to like

754
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,560
her brain is just going to shut
down.

755
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:08,880
That's it.
Done.

756
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,600
It's over.
So I, you know, we do have to

757
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,160
have those considerations for, I
mean, that's it's part of it.

758
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,160
It's hard.
I get it.

759
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,000
Yeah.
So OK, it sounds like you guys

760
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,520
are just obviously living the
life, having the best time.

761
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:31,920
Milk is having an amazing time,
learning and even reconvening

762
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,160
with nature in some ways, which
is wonderful.

763
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Even though there have been some
nasty tick incidents.

764
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,480
What do you guys see like
happening next for Paul Daga,

765
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,560
you mentioned you've recently
started the Next Level Pet

766
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:51,040
Parenting podcast, which is
amazing.

767
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,720
And I know it hasn't been that
long since you expanded into the

768
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,360
US to begin with.
So what's next?

769
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,840
Are you guys just like this is
enough for now and we're here

770
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,920
for you?
I think, yeah, that's a great

771
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,680
question.
I mean, now Podaga USA has been

772
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,720
opened for just over a year.
Podaga itself has been opened

773
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:15,440
for almost 5.
And I think we just want to keep

774
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,400
continuing, raising awareness
with the education and putting

775
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,640
out content across different
platforms such as the podcast

776
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,360
and YouTube.
And where else do we put content

777
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,880
Instagram and Facebook?
I would say just keep raising

778
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,720
awareness because we just have
to keep the job is never over,

779
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:37,600
right?
There's a lot of animals out

780
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,000
there to help and a lot of
people need our help and and

781
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,520
your help too, you know, through
this podcast, you know, like

782
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,640
they need these avenues of a
communication.

783
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,360
So I think right now for us is
to continue raising awareness

784
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,720
and hopefully pet parents will
find us and shop with us and

785
00:47:57,720 --> 00:48:00,040
help improve the health of the
animals.

786
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,560
I mean, from my perspective, you
guys are doing an amazing job

787
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,800
and I love all the content that
you put out and I'm really

788
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,560
excited that you 2 are able to
join me on today's episode.

789
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,840
Where is it?
It's just Podega everywhere.

790
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,880
Whatever social media platform
they want to find you on.

791
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,040
Yeah, so they can find us
everywhere with the name Podega

792
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,360
PAWDEGA.
Like Bodega.

793
00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:32,720
Just paw Bodega.
Yeah, and at Podega.

794
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,960
Awesome.
Well, thank you guys.

795
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:42,360
So Oh, and the podcast.
The podcast is yes, So the

796
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:47,640
podcast is next level pet parent
and that's on Spotify, Apple

797
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,840
podcast, wherever you watch your
podcast and then also on

798
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,160
YouTube, it's under our Podega
channel.

799
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,480
Awesome.
Well, thank you guys again.

800
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,280
I really, really appreciate it.
You guys are doing such amazing

801
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,720
work and I'm just really
grateful that you took the time

802
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,360
to come and talk to me and for
everything that you're doing in

803
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:16,240
the space to improve pets lives.
So guys, thank you so much for

804
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:20,240
being here and listening.
I know that Charlie and Larry

805
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,680
will second this.
I always end by saying please

806
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,440
give your pet some extra love
for me.

807
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:29,840
And I know today please give
some extra love to your pet from

808
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,040
Charlie and Larry with Paul
Daga.

809
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,000
And guys, I will talk to you
next week.

810
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:40,600
Thanks so much for being here.
Thank you so much for having us.