203. Hidden Dangers in Dog Shampoos—4Legger’s Ingredient Breakdown

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Welcome back pet parent.
I'm so excited for today's

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guest.
I've actually been wanting to

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have her on for quite some time
and it wasn't until we bumped

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heads at Super Zoo last year
that we were like Oh my gosh,

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yes, we actually really need to
do we really need to make this

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happen?
So I have been using 4 Legger

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shampoo for years.
I actually originally found this

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brand because of Doctor Melissa
Shelton who is the formulator

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for Annamalio essential oils,
which I absolutely love and

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adore her essential oils and she
recommends 4 Legger.

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So that's where I found it and I
have been using it ever since.

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I love how clean this product
is.

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If you've been following me on
social media for any length of

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time.
Every time I restock, I do a

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post about it because I just
love it that much.

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Unfortunately, fortunately, but
unfortunately, it lasts like a

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bottle lasts so stinking long
that I don't get to post about

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it that often.
But Melissa, thank you so much

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for being here and for creating
4 Legger.

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How are you today?
I'm great and I'm so excited to

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be here with you, too.
So now we're going to talk a

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little bit about you recently
did an e-mail series.

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So guys, I will like, if you are
not on Melissa's e-mail list, I

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will make sure it's it's going
to be in the show notes.

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Just double check down there and
go to her website, get on her

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e-mail list because she recently
put out this, I want to say it

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was a five part e-mail series.
And she's continuing to put out

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more content in her e-mail
series, which is amazing.

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Educating on what we actually
want to look for in shampoos,

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conditioners, and honestly,
ingredients that she's talking

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about, we can extrapolate to
other products as well, like

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anything in the grooming space
really.

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So, but before we get to all of
that, I would just love to hear

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like a little bit of background
about you and why you created 4

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Legger.
Well, OK, that was was a

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journey.
I had a little dog named Henry

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Clay, and that's him right
there, the little white toy

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poodle.
And he was, you know, I got him,

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you know, as a puppy and I had
him for, for several years.

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He was with me through some
really, really difficult times

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in my life with loss and, and
that.

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So when he was 8 years old, he
was diagnosed with cancer.

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And it was in his urinary tract,
which was a little bit of an

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unusual place for cancer.
But that was right about the

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time when a lot of the holistic
veterinarians in particular

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started noticing a spike in
cancer in dogs.

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You know, I, of course, back
then I didn't know anything

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about any of this.
I was practicing occupational

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therapist.
I worked with patients in the

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healthcare system with
neurological conditions and

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orthopedic conditions and all
that.

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I just didn't know anything
about dog Wellness and dog

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health at that point.
So when he was diagnosed, that

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was kind of a shocker because I
did everything the vet told me

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to do and thought I was doing
all of the good things for him.

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So he he went through a couple
of surgeries over a, a couple of

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year period and fortunately his
cancer stayed in in the primary

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spot, so it didn't move.
But then in the third year, I

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started noticing his equilibrium
was off.

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He started having a facial droop
and all the things I was very

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accustomed to seeing in my human
patients.

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And I knew that it had
metastasized.

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The vet confirmed and it had
gone to his brain stem.

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And actually by that point he
was already aspirating and was

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was having difficulty.
And so the the vet told me he

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probably only has about four to
five weeks of quality life left

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to give.
But that dog had another thought

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about that.
He was my little heart dog.

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I love that somebody.
I think Doctor Becker was the

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first I ever heard talk about a
heart dog.

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And I love that he actually
lived for 13 months past his

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four to five weeks prognosis.
And I, I know in my heart as

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much as I know anything, that
dog willed himself to live

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because he knew that I had
cancer before I knew I had

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cancer.
And he actually died on the day

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I was diagnosed.
And so, you know, that was a bad

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day.
Yeah, Oh my goodness.

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And it just immediately went, I
had a very aggressive form of

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breast cancer and my treatment
had to start immediately.

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And within just a short time, my
own cell counts had just gone to

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the basement from the chemo.
And my doctor told me it was, it

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was January.
It was like Christmas.

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I spent Christmas Day in the
chemo suite in the oncology.

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That's not a way to spend a
holiday.

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But anyway, when my cell counts
went so low, they actually

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medically were termed as
infection fatal, meaning if you

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catch anything, you're not going
to survive.

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He knew I had other dogs at home
and that they were out in the

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yard and going for walks and,
you know, people were petting

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them.
And he said you need to start

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bathing your dogs more because
it's imperative that you

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minimize your exposure to germs
and bacteria in order to survive

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this.
And they're coming back in with

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stuff on them, germs and and
whatever on them.

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So, you know, college educated
graduate, I figured I could

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choose a good, safe, healthy
shampoo.

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And what I learned was that I
was really good at being

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marketed to.
I went for this the, the, you

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know, bright, colorful bottle.
I went for, you know, the fancy

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language and all of that.
And within just a couple of

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weeks, my other dogs started
itching and scratching more than

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they ever had.
And I'm like, well, by now I'm

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trying to clean up my own act,
you know, going more natural

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ingredients and organic
ingredients.

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And I thought, what in the world
are we doing to the dogs?

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And so when we started looking
at the ingredients, it was an

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eye opener.
What is found in very common,

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very popular shampoo lines that
passes as a safe ingredient And

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it's just not.
And so that led to a 17 month

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long deep dive into the rabbit
hole of ingredients.

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And, you know, we, my business
partner is a scientist, which

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is, you know, awesome for, for
us.

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She, she understands the
literature and how to interpret,

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you know, research and, and that
sort of stuff.

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So anyway, we just, you know, my
treatment lasted 22 months.

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It was long, it was complicated,
it stopped, it started it, you

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know, just, it was just a long
process and it took us almost

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that long to come up with our
first formulation.

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We were so determined we were
not going to use any synthetic

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ingredients, any artificial
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And so that kind of meant right
from day one that we were going

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to have to go through the
National Organic Program in

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order to distinguish Forlegger
from virtually every other

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brand, with a few rare
exceptions as being any

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different.
And so we started that process

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and it was great.
The the month that I finished my

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last chemo infusion was the same
month that our first product was

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ready for launch.
And so it was just such a great

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way to close, you know, a bad
chapter and start forward with

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something else.
And we threw it up on the

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Internet and honestly, that
product sold in less than six

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weeks in all 50 States and in
six countries.

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And I thought, OK, I'm not the
only person out there that owns

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animals, owns pets and wants
them to have the opportunity to

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have a bath that's not going to
make them sick in the long run.

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And so, you know, that that's
kind of where it started and

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where we've gone.
And it, it was just so important

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for us to thank you for
mentioning the blog earlier that

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we wanted to be an educational
resource for people to have kind

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of a go to place to look up
pretty much anything you can,

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you can put in our search bar on
our website.

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And chances are we've written
something about it.

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And it's, you know, it's all
based on academic research,

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veterinary science, human Health
Science, pub Med, you know, the

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the legitimate research place is
not doctor Google or, you know,

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others that need not be named.
So that's that's kind of the

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probably a longer version of the
story than you wanted, but

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that's that's the whole back
story behind 4 legger.

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Wow.
I mean, first of all, you must

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have told the story so many
times that you're not crying

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because I was tearing up when
you were talking about, you

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know, losing your heart, dog and
being diagnosed with cancer all

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in the same day.
That just has to be like, more

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than earth shattering.
But yeah, it was, I mean, he, he

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passed in the morning about
10:30 that morning.

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It was Friday, November 22nd.
It was the Friday before

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Thanksgiving.
And I got the phone call that

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afternoon and you know about
mine.

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And it's like, OK, it's going to
be really hard to be thankful at

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Thanksgiving this year.
But, you know, honestly, it, it

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wasn't it, you know, I'm a
person of faith and I just

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leaned into that very heavily
and it helped me get through the

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entire situation.
But, you know, as a result, we

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start, we honor Henry Clay's
birthday now because it was the

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Friday of Thanksgiving.
We have a thankful Friday sale.

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We don't have a Black Friday
sale.

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That sounds so dark and
depressing to me, but it's like,

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why does why does anybody call
it that?

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So we have a Thankful Friday
sale and it's just to honor

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Henry Clay's life and to, you
know, pull his legacy forward

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again into another year and just
to be very grateful for his life

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and and what he's done to help
clean up the industry.

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Yeah, wow.
I mean, that's just such a

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powerful story.
And we got first.

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I mean, thank goodness you
survived.

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You made it through.
You are here with us today and

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you have and, and Henry Clay,
the legacy now of four legger,

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which again is one of the most
incredible products I've found

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like across the board for
anything we're buying for our

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pets.
I think that's saying something

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because we you know, there's,
there are so many products out

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there.
We really do have like there's a

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pretty high saturation of
products and in the pet market,

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but across the board, like there
are, there are a handful of

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companies out there making
really, really good products.

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And for me for liquor is one of
them.

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So I do want to talk about like
most, I think most people, even

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when we start getting the food
right, even when we start

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cleaning up the supplements,
there are still like kind of

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these ancillary things that we
may not often think about.

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And for me as a pet health
coach, like it's my job to get

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my clients to think about these
things, but on their own,

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they're like, oh, I would have
never thought about that.

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And shampoo is one of those
things that it's just like, you

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just go buy shampoo.
I mean, people do it to like,

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you know, cleaning up my own
shampoo, cleaning up my own

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products came far later.
But you know, my pets products

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and some of I, I'm right there
with you.

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I have been even even fairly
recently like I, I can fall into

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the marketing traps.
One of the things that I've

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recently started talking about
because it was made aware to me

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was that even in the healthy,
whether we're talking about the

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healthy pet space or like the
healthy human space, we still

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have this mindset of almost like
a, you know, we've been so

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trained and ingrained into like
the pharma pharmacological model

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where there's a pill for every
I'll.

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We are continuing that even with
healthy products, even with

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products that are actually
really, really good for us, we

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may not need them.
They're just shiny objects,

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right?
That it's like, oh, well, it's

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healthy, so I must need it.
You may not eat it.

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And so I mean, I have this like
list of supplements that I was

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taking and they were all food
based, really healthy, clean

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supplements.
But one of my friends was like,

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but do you really need all of
them?

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And I'm like, so I get it.
Like I'm still susceptible to

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marketing.
We have to be really, really

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careful with with what we're
doing and the companies that

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have not so great products tend
to be the ones that have these

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huge marketing budgets that are
catching our attention, whether

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that is on TV and magazines for
online with their advertising or

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even just in the store with as
you said bright shiny packaging

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like that draws us in.
I know we talked about that a

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lot with food with, you know,
the marketing on the bags of

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kibble is 100% for people like,
you know, your animals are not

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in there buying their own food.
These pretty pictures of a

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chicken breast and blueberries
that are probably less than 1%

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of what's in the bag, that is
what gets you to buy that food

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when it's it's a total lie.
It is.

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I mean, I'm embarrassed to say
it, but in, you know, Full

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disclosure because I didn't know
better.

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Henry Clay grew up with on
Biniful.

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I mean, there's not a worse.
Well, there might be a worse

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one, but that one's towards the
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And, you know, I was so proud of
that at the time because, you

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know, it cost more.
And, you know, I felt like I was

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really going above and beyond.
And in retrospect, I was like,

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no, it's a wonder he didn't get
sick a lot sooner than he did.

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Yeah, no, I get it.
I mean, my, my cats and dogs,

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they were all on kibble for a
long time.

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And I, you know, I say this all
the time, I just like you, I did

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everything my vet told me to do.
And I thought I was being the

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best pet parent I could be by
doing that.

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I even had my cats were on like
4 different prescription kibbles

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because that's what my vet said
and I thought it was the right

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thing to do.
Thank goodness.

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I know it's not the right thing
to do now, but let's get back to

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shampoo.
So safe non-toxic shampoo.

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Actually funnily enough, earlier
this year did a little series on

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marketing claims greenwashing.
So greenwashing is super, super

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prevalent throughout the pet
industry, throughout human

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health industry as well, but I
think it's worse in the pet

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industry.
So let's just start with natural

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because I feel like that is like
the buzzword that people are

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like it's natural.
So talk to me a little bit more

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about natural.
Yeah.

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Well, greenwashing is, you know,
I'll define what I think that

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is.
That's taking something that is

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not natural and making it look
natural, either by choosing A

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literal green color or blue
color, or, you know, something

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that that seems natural that you
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but there's not anything green
about it when you when you start

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to look at it.
So the kicker about the terms

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natural and organic, nobody
regulates the use of those

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words, not even the National
Organic Program, which you would

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think if anybody's going to
regulate it, they would.

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And so that is, in my
estimation, the wide open door

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that has allowed all of these
other manufacturers to use the

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same words that I use because
they're true on their products

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to describe what is essentially
a detergent, shampoo or

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something that's full of
carcinogens and endocrine

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disruptors.
And all of these health issues

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that have come up in in our
animals since really kind of

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since the knees is when that
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And I think it's because, you
know, I'm old enough, you're not

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old enough.
I'm old enough to remember when

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people had dogs, they were
outside dogs, right?

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But fences were, you know,
unheard of who who had a fence.

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You don't want to put that ugly
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street got a dog, well, it was

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everybody's dog, you know, and
it would just come, come down

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the line of houses and all.
But then little dogs got popular

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in the East in the late 80s,
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in because they were cute and

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they needed our help and they
needed us to protect them and

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all this.
But they didn't want them to

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bring in their fleas and their,
you know, the ticks and all of

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the pests that, that like to
ride along on them and bacteria

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and all of that.
And so the, the pharmaceutical

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company companies that had been
producing agricultural grade

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pesticides and herbicides and
all of these things that they

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were just broad spraying on
crops out on farms and ranches.

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There's there's an opportunity
here manipulate this to make it

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apply to a dog in a veterinary
setting and nobody will know

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that it's just the same toxic
stuff that were spraying all

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over crops And pretty much it
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But and that's when you saw by
the 90s, by the late 90s, I

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think it was, you know, used to
be dogs died from two things,

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right?
They either died from old age or

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they got hit by a car and that
that's it.

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Now we're treating them for
liver disease, for kidney

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disease, for heart disease, for,
for neurological issues, for

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endocrine issues, for gut
health.

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I mean, we're treating them for
all of the same things that

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humans are treated for because
we've humanized them.

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And we've, we've allowed the
industry to bring in the

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products that shouldn't be used
on humans either and apply that

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to dogs who have absolutely no
choice in the matter about what

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you're giving them or feeding
them or putting on them.

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They're just subject to all of
that.

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Yeah, Yeah.
So, I mean, I know even in in

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pet food, we were talking about
earlier natural, they can still

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have synthetic vitamins and
minerals and trace nutrients

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and, and still call that natural
because like you said, there's

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there's just no regulation to
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Shampoos specifically, since
that's what we're talking about

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today, they can claim to be
natural and still claim harsh

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chemicals, synthetic
preservatives and artificial

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fragrances, which are all
detrimental.

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Can we start with some of the
preservatives that up to you.

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Do you want to talk about the
nasty ones that are in other

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products?
You want to talk about the ones

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that you use that are certified
organic, whichever 1 you want to

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talk about first.
We either, I mean, because

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there's, there's a, a world of
difference.

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I mean, what we found when we
were doing our research,

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particularly with preservatives,
was that the most common

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preservative used in dog shampoo
and in many human shampoos is

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referred to chemically as DMDM
Hidantin or DMDH Hidantin.

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And nobody knows what that is.
You know, it's, it's just a

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chemical and you assume since
it's in a product that it's

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safe.
But if you dig down and find out

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what that actually is, it is
slow releasing formaldehyde.

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It bioaccumulates in the body.
It never gets flushed out.

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And if is that builds up over
time.

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It settles in the organs, in the
kidney, in the liver and in in

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the skin and.
It can be the tripping point

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for, you know, the person that
has a dog like me that's eight

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years old, healthy one day, you
know, and then all of a sudden

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my dog has cancer.
And you know, the, the take away

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from that is there is no all of
a sudden when it comes to our

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dogs.
It's, it's a matter of what that

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dog has been exposed to for
their entire life that at some

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point may be a tripping point to
cause disease in their body.

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And it feels like this just
happened.

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What did I do wrong?
And it, it's not that it just,

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it just highlights the fact that
we have to be so cognizant and

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so aware all along of what we're
allowing our dogs to interact

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with either environmentally or
what they're eating or what

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you're bathing them with, or,
you know, the vaccine protocols,

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all of that stuff.
It has to come into

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consideration.
And none of it can be done in

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isolation, really.
Dogs are not little robots, you

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know you can't.
He's got a broken leg.

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We'll fix the leg.
Well, yeah, his his leg is

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broken, but his whole body's
broken.

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While his leg is broken, you
know, it's not just an isolated

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thing.
So one of our emphasis that, you

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know, this, this whole food
thing has come up over the last

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couple of years particularly and
people getting much more aware

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of food and how it impacts the
dog's health.

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You know, so in the last year
we've, we've been trying to tie

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the whole big picture together
with that.

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It's like you can spend all the
money you want to, to get your

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dog's gut cleaned up and to give
them the most expensive, the

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most healthy, the most raw
species appropriate diet that

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you can find.
But if you're still neglecting

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what you're allowing them to be
exposed to externally, then you

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haven't cleaned up your whole
dog and you're actually

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minimizing the benefits that the
healthy food could have because

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the immune system is still being
drawn in two different

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directions.
It's trying to clean up the gut

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still, it's trying to clean out,
it's trying to clean up the

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skin, trying to clean up, you
know, overall health.

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And, and then you throw this,
this whole issue with vaccines

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in there and, and the protocols
that are for that.

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And you know, we've, we've said,
I've said forever that if you

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don't get their food right,
their vaccine protocol right,

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and their external grooming
products and other external

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products that, that they may
come into, if you don't get all

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three of those right, you're
only partially allowing your dog

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to have the best healthy life
they can have.

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Absolutely.
So some of the other

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preservatives that are really
nasty, I'm going to try.

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I'm going to try really hard to
say this word and everybody out

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there is going to laugh, but
that's OK.

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I so theazoline known.
I so theazoline knowns.

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I'm looking it up in the Do you
know our Pet Shampoo ingredient

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database.
I've, I've yes, on your website,

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yeah.
Yes, I have.

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We actually don't have that one
in there.

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So it it was in the series, the
Bull five part series that you

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sent out through through your
e-mail list and apparently

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whatever the heck that word is,
is known to cause allergies,

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skin irritation and neurologic
issues.

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Then there's sodium benzoate.
Yes, sodium benzoate is.

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That's in a lot of food, too.
Nice.

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That one's if you look and feel
free to put the link to our

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ingredient database in here.
We've tried to break it down

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into the three things that pet
parents really need to know,

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which is is the ingredient that
I'm interested in learning about

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a natural ingredient, or is it
artificial?

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How safe is it?
And then if if it's an

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ingredient that even could be
certified organic because you

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know, these days everybody says
their stuff is, is organic.

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And so then the extra bit on top
of that safety question that

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we're going to give you is from
the literature that is actual

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academic, medical, veterinary
types of research that's done.

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If there's any health conditions
that have ever been associated

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with that ingredient in either
dogs or people, we're going to

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tell you what it is not, not
just that there is a concern for

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health, but sodium benzolate,
for example, it does have links

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to allergies and it can also be
an endocrine disruptor.

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It is effective preservative
against mold and bacteria, but

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what's the trade off, you know,
for that if you're, if you're

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disrupting your endocrine system
or potentially disrupting that

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in the 1st place, which is, you
know, that's hormones, that's

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that's important stuff.
There really is.

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And parabens was also on the
list, which I think you know,

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women, we hear that a lot, you
know, to avoid sulfates and

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parabens.
Those are like the two big ones

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that we hear of, but the there's
so many more.

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Yeah, and parabens also are not
friendly to the environment.

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They don't, they don't break
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And so they're not
environmentally friendly either,

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in addition to being a terrible
ingredient to it be exposing

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yourself from a health
perspective.

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Yeah, yeah.
So what are the preservatives

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that you use in your organic
product?

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We don't use a preservative.
We use Rosemary extract, which

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is more of an antioxidant than
it is a true preservative.

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It will help to prevent, you
know, the free radicals or any,

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anything that might be over time
as as shampoo sits in a bottle,

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you know, it's exposed to light
and air and heat and cold and,

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and all the things that, that
contribute to breaking down

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natural products.
And so it helps, it helps to

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prevent that from happening
while it's still in the bottle.

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So important to know, you know,
with organic shampoo, truly

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organic shampoo, you don't want
to keep it sitting in your

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windowsill on your kitchen
window ledge so that it's, it's

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being hit by sun and heat and,
and that you, you want to keep

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it in a cool, dry place to, to
help preserve the life of it.

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Yep, we, we, we live and die by
Rosemary.

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00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,320
And you know, there's, there's a
lot of you see it every now and

446
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,040
then.
We always know when something's

447
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,320
going around the Internet.
Oh, Rosemary is causing dogs

448
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,360
with seizures to have seizures
and, and this and not really I

449
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:23,000
have a dog.
Let's see which she's in the.

450
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,600
One of.
Them.

451
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,720
Yeah.
Catty corner to Henry Clay, this

452
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,440
little black one.
That one got it.

453
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,840
Yeah.
She was diagnosed with a

454
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:39,280
neurological condition that
required oversight by a canine

455
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:45,480
neurologist for almost 6 years.
Like frequent, that was her that

456
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,400
became her primary doctor.
You know, she was, she was on

457
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,600
medication for seizure.
She she had inflammatory brain

458
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,680
disease.
And by the time it was caught,

459
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:03,520
the inflammation was in every
lobe of her brain and you could

460
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,360
see it, you know,
symptomatically.

461
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,920
She staggered around like a
drunk sailor and she couldn't

462
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,640
sit and she couldn't stand.
And she, you know, her vision

463
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,120
was off, her depth perception
was off.

464
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,320
She was over exaggerating
movements because she couldn't

465
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:24,240
tell, you know, exactly the,
the, the rug, the difference

466
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,840
between the rug and the floor
wasn't something that she had to

467
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,040
like leap over.
It was just a little.

468
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,680
And I mean, it was, it was
awful.

469
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,960
That dog went through the most
harsh treatment that I've heard

470
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,840
of a dog going through and she
survived it.

471
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,800
I mean, Doctor Roman is my
miracle worker.

472
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,600
She got that dog into remission
after having initially only

473
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,120
given her a 5% chance of
surviving either the treatment

474
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,440
or the disease.
And she got into remission and

475
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,040
stayed there for a little over
five years before she ultimately

476
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,920
passed away.
And you know, this is a canine

477
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,280
neurologist.
They're even more rare than

478
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,880
canine oncologist in in the
country.

479
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,760
And you know, she had no, I
asked her specifically about it.

480
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,600
We got, we got to be really good
friends over the years and we

481
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,640
still get together every year
and visit.

482
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,760
And I said, you know, Debbie, I
see this stuff all the time.

483
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,840
You know, people are emailing
you shouldn't put Rosemary

484
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,000
extract in your product as
causes seizures.

485
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,440
And she said there's there's no
substance to that as a

486
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,680
standalone kind of an event.
Seizures are triggered by any of

487
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,280
1000 different things.
And in virtually every single

488
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,600
case of it, it's a combination
of different events happening

489
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,600
all at the same time that
including your dog's own current

490
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,440
metabolic status just at that
moment, that that can result in

491
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,960
a, in a, a seizure.
And it's not accurate and it's

492
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,960
not really responsible to say
definitively this caused a

493
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,160
seizure or that caused a
seizure.

494
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:12,080
It's, it's impossible to know.
So she had no issues at all with

495
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,480
us using.
And in fact, she used, she uses

496
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,920
our little 2 ounce bottles and
puts them in every one of her

497
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,360
patient bags that goes out the
door.

498
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:20,560
You're going to be bathing your
dog.

499
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,680
This is what you use.
I love it.

500
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:28,000
So, yeah, it's, you know, for me
that's that's like the highest

501
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,160
credibility that there is, that
it's a safe preservative, A

502
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,160
preservative, antioxidant, and
that it's not on its own.

503
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,240
Also, there's so little of it in
the bottle when you compare it

504
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,760
to the entire concentration of
everything else that's in the

505
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,560
bottle, all of the other
ingredients, it's such a small

506
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,720
percentage of it that even in
isolation, it She says there's

507
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:57,200
no possibility that this by
itself could trigger a seizure.

508
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,640
But I mean, I get it, people,
people aren't going to risk, you

509
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,480
know, you have a dog with
seizures.

510
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,640
You're wise to give it a second
thought.

511
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,560
And I encourage you to give it a
second thought, but don't.

512
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,480
If you're going to choose
something else, make sure you're

513
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,320
looking at those ingredients too
and seeing what they may be

514
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,040
doing.
Yeah, that is one of the things

515
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,560
that I find so interesting about
our culture right now is

516
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:29,480
everybody is so quick to look at
something natural and complain

517
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,120
about it and say, but it does
this, oh, but it does that and

518
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,000
or it's not sustainable or, you
know, whatever.

519
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,800
Like there are so much criticism
for so many natural products on

520
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,760
the market when those same
people have no criticism for the

521
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,320
food dyes that they're ingesting
every day or anything else that

522
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,600
we're throwing in our body.
Eating McDonald's for dinner,

523
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,120
Like that's not even food people
in my opinion.

524
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Mine too.
And it, but it, it bothers me

525
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:04,600
because not because, you know,
just like you said, yes, you

526
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,720
should be critical of everything
you're looking at, but why are

527
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,240
we so hyper fixated on like on
natural products right now?

528
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,600
I think I, I truly, truly
believe it's, it's a lot of, you

529
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,360
know, everybody says it's, it's
the minority that always has the

530
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,040
loudest voices.
And I think that that is true.

531
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,400
And I think there's so much
still marketing and so much

532
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,200
money that these big
pharmaceutical agrochemical

533
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,440
companies have that they are,
there's a lot of paid opposition

534
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,160
in my opinion is kind of what it
comes down to.

535
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,240
And then people just get kind of
brainwashed on that train of of

536
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,760
thought because it's hard.
It's hard to change your mind.

537
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,720
It's hard.
It's hard for your ego to say I

538
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,680
was wrong about something.
Yep, it is.

539
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:03,560
And I think I think kind of a
very practical position that

540
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,400
that might be causing some of
that pushback against

541
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,840
naturalist.
You know, it is more expensive

542
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,600
if you go to the grocery to buy
organic vegetables for yourself,

543
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,080
It's it's more expensive.
However, you can't look at that

544
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,200
expense without also considering
the expense of disease and

545
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,880
treatment.
So you know, you're you're going

546
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,040
to be spending your money.
Do you want to spend it towards

547
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,200
prevention or do you want to
spend it towards treatment?

548
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,480
And I can assure you that
treatment is always much more

549
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,280
expensive than prevention.
Yeah.

550
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:44,360
Well, and just the cost of, I
mean, you can't put a cost on

551
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,560
your health, in my opinion, like
so many people over the years,

552
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,640
so many, you know, Stoics and
every, every walk of life, it

553
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,840
comes down to if you don't have
your health, you have nothing.

554
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,800
And like, I just don't think you
can put a price on it, But I

555
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,520
understand that it can be.
It's, it's hard.

556
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,680
You know, people are struggling
right now and, and it's hard,

557
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,280
people are always struggling,
but you know, sometimes worse

558
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,760
than others.
It can be, but when you could,

559
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,239
you know, talking about dogs in
particular, you know when, when

560
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:19,400
we know that the statistics are
that 50% of all dogs are going

561
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,400
to be diagnosed with cancer,
that's pretty high odds.

562
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,960
You know that your dog is 1 and
2.

563
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,719
You know, maybe 1:00 and 3:00
depending on the type of cancer.

564
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,199
And, you know, most skin cancers
or most canine cancers show up

565
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,280
on the skin.
And so it makes your choice, you

566
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,719
know, of a grooming product even
even more important that you're

567
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:46,600
supporting the skin And the very
important work that skin does,

568
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,080
you know, we tend to think of it
is it's, it's just the barrier.

569
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:54,239
Oh, it's the, it's where the the
acid mantle is that that

570
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,880
protects the immune system.
But I pulled up a a list

571
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,040
recently of functions of the
skin and I was like, man, you

572
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,640
just, you don't even think about
what all it does it.

573
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:15,360
It's the literal case, for lack
of a better word, that keeps the

574
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,000
whole body together, that keeps
the joints together, that keeps

575
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,600
them moving in the motions that
they're intended to move.

576
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:29,480
And the elasticity of the skin
allows stretch, you know, for

577
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,040
being able to jump or, you know,
whatever, whatever they're

578
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,200
doing.
It helps to control temperature

579
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,200
regulation in the body.
And it's a storage site.

580
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,640
It's a reservoir for
electrolytes and water and

581
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,960
proteins and carbohydrates and
all kinds of other minerals.

582
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,440
It's antimicrobial, you know,
because of the skin Biome and

583
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:57,120
all of the bacterial and viral
and fungal bacteria that are on

584
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,960
that, that helps to make up the
Biome.

585
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,000
That's what keeps it healthy.
You know, that's that's what

586
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,680
helps to keep the immune system
operational and fully functional

587
00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:13,560
for the whole body because that
is the literal barrier and

588
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,000
protection to the immune system
is the skin.

589
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,360
The one thing that I've did you
know, vitamin D's a lot in the

590
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,960
news with dog food more than
than that.

591
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,000
But one thing that I learned
about what the skin does is it

592
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,960
will convert inactive vitamin D
that naturally occurring on the

593
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,040
skin to active vitamin D and it
takes sunlight to do that.

594
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,640
And so when you, I don't know, I
mean, some of this stuff was

595
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,240
just like relevation to me
because here lately I keep, I

596
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,160
keep seeing different, different
ones that I follow talking about

597
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,240
get your feet on the grass, get
your feet on the dirt on the.

598
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,480
And I'm like, I don't like to do
that.

599
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,600
I'm not a barefoot person.
But then I see something like

600
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:57,160
that and I'm like, OK, well,
sunlight is important.

601
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,760
Soil is important.
Grass is important in order to

602
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,200
make sure that your body has all
of the nutrients and the

603
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,680
essentials that it needs to stay
healthy.

604
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,080
So sorry, I don't know where I
went down that rabbit trail.

605
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,480
Actually, there is one other
thing about the skin that I do

606
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,120
want to talk about, but I want
to save it for a little bit

607
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,560
later, so don't let me forget
about that, OK?

608
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,000
We mentioned sulfates just a
little bit earlier or I did.

609
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,720
I brought them up because that
is like one thing that I think

610
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:32,920
women have.
We have been, I assume at some

611
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,920
point along the way there was a
push to remove parabens and

612
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,280
sulfates from our shampoos and
conditioners.

613
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,640
And so that's like big marketing
now is free of paraben, parabens

614
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,040
free of free of sulfates.
So we understand that, but there

615
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:53,760
still are a lot of sulfates used
in a lot of shampoos, both human

616
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,160
and for pets.
And they are.

617
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,800
My understanding is that that's
what makes it like thick and

618
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,840
foamy, but that's not necessary
because there's a lot more

619
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,120
problems.
Right.

620
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,280
And that's what a lot of
ingredients are.

621
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,920
Sulfates are particularly bad
for that.

622
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,520
They they're for the human.
The dog could care less what the

623
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,640
consistency of the shampoo is or
if it's creamy or what they

624
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,720
don't care.
That's all for the human to

625
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:29,040
appeal to their sense.
Same as lather.

626
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,960
You know?
If you don't have a lot of

627
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,880
lather then you're not really
getting clean.

628
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,360
Not true.
But you know, the good news is

629
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,560
with our shampoo, a lot, a lot
of organic shampoos, you know,

630
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,720
from decades ago got kind of a
bad rap about not producing a

631
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:48,120
good lather and that's that's
why people didn't, didn't use

632
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,920
them.
But that has more to do with

633
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,960
flaws in the saponification
process, which is is the process

634
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:00,400
of converting plant oils into
100% natural soap.

635
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,640
If you don't fully complete that
process, and it's a reactive

636
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,360
process, if you don't fully
complete that it, it is going to

637
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,480
make a more oily.
So then just a purely lather

638
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,880
lathery said a word I don't
know.

639
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,400
So, and you know the the trick
with organic shampoo is with our

640
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,480
organic shampoo is it loves
water.

641
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,720
So if you're not getting a good
ladder with our shampoo, you're

642
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:36,080
using way too much shampoo and
not enough water in order to

643
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,800
activate it to, to get the Suns
up for you.

644
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,600
And you get all of that sulfate
free.

645
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,360
You don't have to have to resort
to probably what is a petroleum

646
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:50,720
based chemical that's being used
in order to create that, you

647
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:53,760
know, and like I said that
that's all for the human.

648
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,880
And that kind of leads me to say
something else about that.

649
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,960
Well, you know, we've gotten to
where we get our dogs groomed

650
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,280
for a look.
You know, we we want it to have

651
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,680
a certain look.
We want it to, you know, it's

652
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,880
coat to be smooth and shiny or
we want it to be curly and shiny

653
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,360
or we know whatever breeds you
have of dog, it's important to

654
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,760
know that.
Dogs are individual and they

655
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,520
have their own special genetic
DNA that is that determines what

656
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,400
their coat is supposed to look
like.

657
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,880
The only way that you get a
consistent look to a coat is to

658
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,600
use synthetics to do it.
That is the only way that you

659
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,040
get a look from one wash to the
next wash to the next wash to

660
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,800
the next wash.
You're, you're choosing hell or

661
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,240
you're choosing a look over
health.

662
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,920
And we have, we have to make
that shift in the way that we

663
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:55,360
think about things and be
willing to forego what we want

664
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,040
our dog to look like and just
let them look like the way God

665
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,680
created them to be.
You know, they're, they're,

666
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,160
they're not meant to look like a
bunch of little tiny soldiers

667
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,680
lined up in identical uniforms.
Yeah, no, that's very true.

668
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:15,200
I I kind of like the rattier
looking dogs anyway, that's just

669
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,960
me, but I get it.
I mean, I know especially,

670
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:24,400
especially people that like
purchase dog, you know, certain

671
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,680
breeds for certain reasons, they
can be kind of picky about how

672
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,480
how their dogs look.
Yeah, there's.

673
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,160
It's just, it's just education.
I think most pet parents, when

674
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,800
they realize what they're
trading off, you know, what

675
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,160
they're trading in the health of
their dog for.

676
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,880
Yeah.
Are much more willing to say I

677
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,400
don't really.
I don't.

678
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,000
That's not my priority.
I want my dog to live a long

679
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,760
time and not get sick.
So yeah, it, it, it is with all

680
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,480
things.
It's just a matter of of

681
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:00,120
education, I think.
Yeah, there there were a couple

682
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,440
of other things that I was like,
oh, wow.

683
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:08,160
Because sulfates, one of the
terms that you can find on a

684
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:12,400
product label, sounds really
natural, but it isn't.

685
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,840
It's coconut based surfactant.
Surfactant.

686
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,080
Surfactant, yeah.
Like if I were to see the word

687
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,960
coconut, I'd be like, oh cool,
right?

688
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,760
Yeah, no, I mean, think about
it, that's not even an

689
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,080
ingredient.
Coconut based surfactant, that's

690
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,440
that's not even an ingredient.
That's a description of a

691
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,000
combination of ingredients that
have been chemically

692
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,600
manipulated.
Probably started out as a

693
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,320
coconut and you know, fell off a
palm tree somewhere and got a

694
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,320
coconut.
OK, well, let's let's see how

695
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,560
fast we can turn it into a
synthetic detergent is what is

696
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,960
what that process is.
And there's some processes for

697
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,480
that particular coconut based
surfactant.

698
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,440
Cocoa betaine is another one of
those that that you often see on

699
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,680
a label that just means this
used to be a coconut, but it's

700
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,600
been exposed to so many
chemicals now that you couldn't

701
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,600
call it a coconut if you wanted
to.

702
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,040
It has literally become a
synthetic ingredient, you know,

703
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,680
synthetic and it's for the
cleansing effect of it.

704
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,720
I mean, that's, that's part of
what they're they're doing that

705
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:26,200
for.
So you know you want your dog to

706
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,680
be clean and you want people to
think that it's coming by a

707
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:35,400
natural means, but coconut based
surfactant is not, is anything

708
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,120
but natural.
That is a 100% detergent based

709
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,720
ingredient.
That is good to know because

710
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:44,400
again I see the word coconut and
I'm like yay.

711
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,320
I know.
Another thing that I found

712
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:54,160
interesting, there are no
regulations and they doesn't.

713
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,200
They don't even have the list on
the ingredient panel.

714
00:43:57,720 --> 00:44:01,680
Toxic byproducts, which
apparently can be contaminated

715
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:06,800
with something called 1.
Yes, yes, that's that's part of

716
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,680
what happens.
That's that's a 2 two layer

717
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,400
issue within the the pet pet
space.

718
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,920
Pet products space manufacturers
do not have to list any of their

719
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,920
ingredients or they can choose
to just list the ones that don't

720
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:29,400
sound too offensive like coconut
based or fact that doesn't sound

721
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,840
too offensive or fragrance.
They don't they don't have to

722
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,120
list any of their ingredients.
Now fortunately most people are

723
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,560
smart enough nowadays especially
to realize well, I'm not buying

724
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,040
something if I don't know what
it is.

725
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,200
But when, when you don't have to
list the ingredients or you just

726
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,800
list the ones that you know
won't be, you know, too

727
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,760
offensive to somebody, that's,
that's one layer of it.

728
00:44:54,160 --> 00:45:00,160
And then the other part of it is
that there is 0 regulation of

729
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,760
that in the industry.
There is no one, not the USDA,

730
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,360
not the Department of
Agriculture, not the FDA.

731
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,680
No one is saying you can't put
that in a product that you're

732
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,720
planning on using on an animal.
And it's, it's insane that that

733
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:23,160
level of discretion is so out of
control.

734
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,560
I mean, it is just
unconscionable what we're

735
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,240
putting on our animals and don't
even realize it.

736
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:34,440
Wow, cuz I was looking at a
different brand of shampoo a

737
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,800
couple weeks ago and on their
website they only listed the

738
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,880
active ingredients.
And I'm like, OK, so where is

739
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,680
the rest?
And I never got around to

740
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,000
contacting the company because
honestly, for me it's not worth

741
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,480
it.
Like if you're not putting it on

742
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,840
your website, then you're
ashamed of it.

743
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,880
And I don't need to go any
further.

744
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,400
That's just me.
But I'm like how, how is this?

745
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,280
How are you only listing active
ingredients on your website?

746
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,360
And that just answered it for me
because.

747
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,760
They don't have to, they don't,
they absolutely don't have to.

748
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,400
And you know, that's, that's
another thing that distinguishes

749
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,800
us from all of those others.
One of the requirements to be

750
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,160
certified organic through the
National Organic Program, you

751
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,920
list all of your ingredients and
they there's a paper.

752
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,480
I mean, there's a literal paper
trail from the time the olive,

753
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,960
you know, was a seed in the
ground to the time it was

754
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,200
harvested, to the time it was
transported for manufacturing,

755
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,160
to the manufacturing process, to
the bottling process, to the

756
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,320
time that it's in a bottle and
in your hand.

757
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,960
There's a literal, literal paper
trail for that so that it's

758
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,560
insured all along the way.
This is not come in contact with

759
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,760
any pesticide.
It's not come in contact with

760
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,680
any herbicide, no heavy metals,
none of that is allowed in the

761
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,440
organic program.
And so only the very, very, very

762
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,840
small handful of companies who
actually go to the time and

763
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,800
expense because it's it's not
the inexpensive way to go for

764
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,000
sure will give you the full
ingredient list.

765
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:13,160
They'll give it to you whether
they were required to or not,

766
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,840
you know, because it's the right
thing to do.

767
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,240
But if you run into a company
that won't give you the full

768
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,560
ingredients, put it back.
I mean, there's no, and, and

769
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,440
more to what you're talking
about the, the manufacturing

770
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,480
process.
They don't, they don't have to

771
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,200
disclose that either.
And so with the example that you

772
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,600
were given with the 1/4 dioxane,
that is a carcinogen and that is

773
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:41,640
a byproduct of one of the
manufacturing processes of an

774
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,920
ingredient.
And if it's not cleaned, which

775
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,920
is an additional expense that
the manufacturer doesn't want to

776
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:53,280
absorb to have it cleaned, then
it just rides along with the

777
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,960
rest of the product.
And you don't even know it's

778
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,320
there.
You have no idea it's even

779
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,840
there.
And that's OK.

780
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,000
And they get away with it.
They get away with it because

781
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:08,800
the the regulatory bodies that
that aren't the National Organic

782
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:13,040
Program have said people can
hide between proprietary, hide

783
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,440
behind proprietary ingredients
and they don't have to reveal

784
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,960
all of their ingredients to you.
Well, that's nonsense.

785
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:23,440
I mean, when you go to make a
cake, you know what all the

786
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,880
ingredients are?
You may not know the specific

787
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,520
measurements, which is the
recipe, but you know what's in

788
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:31,160
it, right?
Yeah.

789
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:37,240
Yeah, wow, I'm getting angry.
I'm sorry.

790
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,760
Yeah, I know.
It makes me angry, you know,

791
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,920
when I think about it.
There are a lot of other hidden

792
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:51,800
toxins that you talk about on
your website, in your blogs, but

793
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,720
for times sake, colors and
fragrances, these are some of

794
00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:01,600
the things that I have really
like obviously I have problems

795
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,920
with all of it, but for me, like
I have just always been really,

796
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:10,520
really sensitive to smell and I
cannot handle synthetic

797
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,240
fragrances period in the store.
Like I don't care if it's a

798
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:17,520
candle, a plug in grooming
product, a, you know, a human

799
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,480
product.
Like if I buy something and I

800
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,400
bring it home and open it up and
it has a smell to it, I can't I

801
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,440
can hardly use it.
The only things that I can

802
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,360
really use are natural.
So if I buy like an essential

803
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,280
oil, I can handle the like a
real essential oil like

804
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:39,280
Animalio, not an MLM company
essential oil.

805
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,840
You know, coconut oil, it has a
smell to it, but it's a very

806
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,840
natural like gentle kind of
coconut smell.

807
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:51,240
It's not one of those like, yes,
yes, that you would find it like

808
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:52,720
a bath and body works or
something.

809
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,760
So I personally have, I take so
much offense to natural

810
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,320
fragrances that are used in all
kinds of products, but it's not

811
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,600
just a matter of preference.
They can actually be very

812
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,120
harmful for us, right?
Yeah, they're totally

813
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,400
manipulated.
I mean any, anytime you see the

814
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,000
word fragrance, it doesn't even
have to have the word artificial

815
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:17,760
in front of it.
You can just assume artificial,

816
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,680
but if you see fragrance as what
is giving sent to the product

817
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,720
that there's unknowing how many
ingredients have been combined

818
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,360
to go into creating that one
fragrance.

819
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,720
In most cases, according to the
cosmetic database, that's like

820
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:40,800
from 1948 needs to be updated
and hopefully will be soon.

821
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,680
There can be as many as 34500
different ingredients, synthetic

822
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,560
types of ingredients or
artificial ingredients that go

823
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:56,120
into developing 1 fragrance.
How can, how can you ever figure

824
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:04,080
out, you know, what, OK, well,
is #58 OK, but not number 84 out

825
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,240
of that cocktail.
And it's just, it's terrible.

826
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:12,800
And so we only use essential
oils, you know, and we only use

827
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,880
the highest quality essential
oils that are able to be

828
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,400
certified organic that we, that
we can find.

829
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,160
And we're big fans that Dr.
Shelton has been our essential

830
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,000
oil advisor since almost day
one.

831
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,680
And you know, whenever I have a
question about anything to do

832
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,880
with essential oils, she's our
go to person for that.

833
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:39,400
And you know, we choose
essential oils that they smell

834
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,680
good, but they also have
benefits for the dog's skin and

835
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,960
coke or they may have benefits
to being natural pesticides.

836
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,520
You know, there's a reason it's
there.

837
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,640
It's not just because, oh,
that's the one that's available

838
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:59,280
we'll or we have extra of this
or what it's it's there for a

839
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,440
reason and it's there for the
benefit of the health of your

840
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,920
dog and to, you know, just
continue to give them exposures

841
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,640
to to natural ingredients
without needing the synthetics

842
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,680
or the artificial ingredients at
all.

843
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,720
Yeah, gosh.
And we can talk about so many

844
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:19,640
more things, but we're already
approaching an hour, so I want

845
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,920
to circle back around to the
skin real quick.

846
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:27,960
OK, because the skin, you know,
you've said so many wonderful

847
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,640
things about what our skin does.
Of course it's it's our meat

848
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,640
suit and keeps everything
contained but.

849
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,320
I wouldn't have thought of that.
That's.

850
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,040
Good.
I'm trying to remember Men in

851
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,240
Black movie.
That movie is where I got.

852
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:45,800
That OK, Got it.
Yeah, the meat suit, it does

853
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:50,680
keep everything contained, but
our skin also has in our dog's

854
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:55,040
skin also have lots of
endocannabinoid receptors.

855
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,400
And so you have recently teamed
up, you have provided your

856
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,520
formulations to CBD Dog Health,
who I am a big, big fan of their

857
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,480
products and have a combination
product line that just launched

858
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,320
over on their website.
And that I'm really excited

859
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,000
about because again, you talk so
much about the skin and of

860
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,320
course the coat because that's
what you're dealing with.

861
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:23,640
But infusing these really,
really high quality full

862
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:28,080
spectrum hemp extract into what
we are putting on the skin.

863
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,320
I think it's just it just adds
another layer of like, oh, this

864
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,520
is amazing to me.
Yeah, I'm really excited for

865
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,800
that.
I'm excited for it too.

866
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:44,160
And I need to learn more about
what, you know, the mushrooms

867
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,400
that they use.
And then this, I mean, I need to

868
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,520
know more about that because I'm
excited about the collaboration

869
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:55,960
and, and doing that with them
and combining, you know, our

870
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,360
expertise, our, our separate,
but collective expertise into,

871
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,360
into making that.
I mean, that's, that's a great

872
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,720
thing.
And it's just another weapon,

873
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,280
you know, in the arsenal or tool
and tool belt, not to get

874
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,320
violent sounding, I guess tool
and tool belts bet better, you

875
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,080
know, to just give our dogs a
better, a better chance.

876
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,840
And it's, you know, I've used it
on my dogs.

877
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,640
I was like waiting with bated
breath to get my get my sample

878
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,720
from them after they actually
got it bottled and everything.

879
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,760
And I couldn't have two little
black dogs.

880
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:34,600
And you know, black dogs can
either look really like shiny

881
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,800
and healthy or they can look
really dull and almost a matte

882
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,360
kind of a color.
And one of my dogs deal, she is

883
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:47,320
chronically sick with
inflammation, which I mean, I, I

884
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,080
believe was triggered by she was
way over vaccinated when she was

885
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,320
little and I, she's a risky for
me.

886
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,600
So she wouldn't have been under,
under my care, but I didn't have

887
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,920
any control of that.
But it's been a battle ever

888
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,240
since.
And I've got this whole, you

889
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:05,200
know, barrage of things that I
use for her.

890
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,120
Our cooling peppermint tea tree
shampoo is is the go to shampoo

891
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,200
for her, a spritzer with our
apple cider vinegar occasionally

892
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:17,880
to, you know, just help with the
yeast kind of component of of

893
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:21,360
that.
And her peppermint spray is

894
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:25,680
another good one.
But we used the CBD dog shampoo

895
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:32,280
and I never saw her Coke look as
good as it had immediately after

896
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,280
a bath.
It looked she was almost

897
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,200
glowing.
I don't know how a black dog

898
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,120
look.
I mean, that's kind of what it's

899
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,520
like.
Golly, Bailey, you look really,

900
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,960
really good.
And she was so soft.

901
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,800
And I just thought, OK, well, I
know what my shampoo alone does.

902
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:55,000
And it's it makes for that.
But this is elevated now because

903
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,080
of what they've added to it from
their lineup of products.

904
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,080
And I was like, this is going to
be fantastic.

905
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:06,680
Love hearing that so much.
I can't honestly, like I got I

906
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,920
have gotten my shipment since
the last time I bathed my dog.

907
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,840
So she needs another bath here
soon and I'm going to use it and

908
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,560
I'm just I'm really excited for
it.

909
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,280
My dog.
I use their just tincture, the

910
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,920
full spectrum hemp extract for
my dog for liver support, which

911
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,880
is a little bit unusual.
And I actually had a

912
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,800
conversation with Angela because
the milk Thistle didn't budget

913
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,120
her numbers at all.
But then when I just stop the

914
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:40,760
milk Thistle, put her on the
hemp, she has, her liver enzymes

915
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,680
have been normal.
It's been amazing.

916
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,280
I love it.
Again, a little bit of an

917
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:48,000
unusual case for that, but it's
been amazing.

918
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,080
I love it.
I can't live without it.

919
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,040
I'm going to be honest.
I take it, I buy the horse heel

920
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,640
and I share it between me and my
dog.

921
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:03,480
So we just have our separate
bottles and then I take it every

922
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:04,760
night.
I don't know what I would do

923
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,800
without it.
And I'm just really, really

924
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,160
excited that it's in combination
with Four Legger specifically

925
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,160
because I just have been such a
big fan of Four Legger products

926
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,840
for so many years.
And I just want to say thank you

927
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,320
again for doing what you do and
happy that you're still here

928
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,920
with us.
Of course, to continue bringing

929
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,280
us this product is wonderful.
Products.

930
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,800
Thank you for that.
You know, I feel like I'm this

931
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:36,920
steward of Henry Clay's legacy.
He's behind, he's the driving

932
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,320
force behind all this.
And I just get to be the human

933
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,280
that kind of guides it.
And I'm very blessed to do that

934
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:47,600
and, you know, be happy to be
here.

935
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:51,440
You made me think of something.
There's a lot of two leggers

936
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,080
that dip into their four legger
stash of products.

937
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,120
I mean, it's the only it.
Everything is human grade.

938
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,120
It's probably better than the
shampoo you've got in your own

939
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,440
shower that you're using.
And soap.

940
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,800
It's what I use for my shampoo,
for my body wash, for my hand

941
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:12,400
soap.
I've got our foamer bottles at

942
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,320
every sink in the house.
That's what I use for my hand

943
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,600
soap.
And I use, you know, our apple

944
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,200
cider vinegar rinse product and
everything.

945
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:27,040
It is human grade so feel free
to to share it with your your

946
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,360
four layer or maybe they'll
share it with you.

947
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,360
Ask.
Ask them to share with you.

948
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,560
Yeah.
And a little bit goes a long

949
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,000
way.
It really does it.

950
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,160
Really.
Really does thank you again,

951
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,480
Melissa for everything that
you're doing for being here with

952
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,200
us today.
Go to it is 4 dash legger right?

953
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:52,720
That's the four dash legger dot
dot com check out the products,

954
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,480
sign up for the newsletter
because honestly, she has been

955
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,920
putting out such amazing content
in the newsletter lately.

956
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,400
I've I've been so impressed and
give it a try guys.

957
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:06,440
It's you know, a really, really
simple swap that can make a huge

958
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,680
difference and your pets overall
health.

959
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,960
So thank you again, Melissa and
for everybody listening, have a

960
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,080
fabulous rest of your week.
Give your pets some extra love

961
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,280
from me and from Melissa this
week.

962
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,600
Yep, thank you so much.