205. How to Raise a Healthy Puppy Naturally

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Welcome back, Pat Peron.
I'm really excited for today's

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guest because she's amazing is
she's been through so much in

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such a short time with her dogs
and it LED her down a path not

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that unsimilar from mine.
Bree Drake with tails.

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Well, Health, thank you so much
for being here today.

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How are you?
I'm so good.

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Thank you.
And before we get into anything

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else, I just want to say thank
you because this is all kind of

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come full circle.
I was listening to your podcast

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and that's how I found out about
Doctor Ruth Roberts coaching

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program and they're listening to
your podcast and having you

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mentor me through that.
Like I owe you so much for what

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where I where this journey has
led me.

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So I have to give you a lot of
credit for that.

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That's so sweet.
Yeah.

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You've shaped a lot of who I am
on this journey and how I look

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at things.
And thank you.

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I mean, thank you.
That is so, so very sweet.

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But honestly, you still did all
the work.

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So that's why you're here and
that matters, doing the work.

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So I know, I mean, I got to know
you through the course and that

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was amazing.
You were such a sweet, wonderful

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person.
So it was like a no brainer for

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me.
I mean, obviously I have a lot

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of students that go through the
program.

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They're all wonderful and some
go on to do really well and

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create amazing businesses and
some are happy just kind of

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helping their friends and
family.

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There's nothing wrong with that,
but you're really out there on

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social media and really kind of
jumped right into you seem to be

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handling the really deep waters
very, I want to say

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effortlessly, but I'm sure
there's like internal turmoil

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that you have to deal with
because I've been there.

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I still go through that.
When you put a post out and it

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has, you know, your heart and
soul wrapped into it and you

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just get so many trolls and
haters, but you still keep

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showing up and you're just like,
no, this is my truth.

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And I love that so much about
you and about the content you're

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putting out.
So first of all, if you're not

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following Bree on Instagram,
please go do so at Tails Well

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Health.
It is Tails well Health.

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Is all it is.
It is.

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I mean, obviously you're, you're
so like multifaceted.

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Anyway, I didn't learn until
after you graduated that you're

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also a designer, which makes so
much sense with how amazingly

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beautiful your social is.
Yeah.

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Thank you.
Yeah, it's definitely, it's

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definitely been a journey.
Everything in life has been such

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a journey for me.
I didn't definitely started out

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on a very different path.
I went to school for accounting

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and finance and did that for
about 10-11 years and met my

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husband, married him and then I
did start doing freelance

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graphic design work.
Actually, I started out doing

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photography work and I was
actually photographing dogs for

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a while.
When COVID happened, I was

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forced to do something a little
more flexible and I could do

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from home.
So I started a graphic design

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business and that became very
successful very quick, which is

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unexpected, a complete flip flop
from what I was doing, very

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analytical brain, you know, in
my creative, obviously I was

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suppressing a lot of my creative
talents because that that career

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really blossomed and I still do
that now, but trying to put a

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lot more focus on this work, you
know, helping people better care

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for their dogs.
It's, it's my main passion.

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So I have a lot of daily
struggles with keeping my

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graphic design business going
and paying the bills and helping

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dog parents because I love it so
much.

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And I definitely definitely
trust where my path has led me

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for sure.
And of course, you didn't

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mention the beautiful home
you're in that that y'all have

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built as well, which you don't
have to talk about.

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But I noticed it and it is
gorgeous and I'm really excited

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for everything going on in your
life.

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But what was it that it helped
you find my podcast?

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What was it that made you like
go down the road of I want to, I

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want to do this because I know I
know you've had some dogs and

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there have been some issues.
And I mean, of course, only talk

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about what you're comfortable
with.

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I know this can be a really hard
topic to talk about, but there

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have been some issues and I feel
like the more stories we can

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tell, the more people connect to
us.

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And so whatever you're
comfortable sharing, I would

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love to hear.
Yeah, sure.

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And I've definitely had my
concerns, but I've never told

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this story in this kind of a
setting yet.

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But I'll try to keep it brief.
I'm so long winded, like, thank

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God for APT to help me condense
things because I have a very

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hard time with that.
But you know, I had two very

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beautiful special golden
retrievers.

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I actually had a male golden
retriever named Skip going into

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my marriage, and my husband had
female golden retriever named

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Anne, who's four years older
than Skip.

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So, you know, we made a very
beautiful life together, my

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husband and I.
And those two dogs, like our

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lives revolved around them.
They went on so many fishing and

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camping and surfing adventures
with us.

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Like we really tried to give
them the best life possible.

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I mean, they were luckily enough
to be our children in that phase

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of life.
So unfortunately, you know, they

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get older and with Anne getting
older, she was starting to have

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some arthritis issues and I'm
just really stiff, having a hard

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time getting up and down and
getting up and down stairs.

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So I took her to see a
traditional vet that was in our

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area and he tried putting her on
pain pills for the rest of her

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life.
Like that was his solution.

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He did some X-rays and some
blood work and said she had some

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evidence of cruciate ligament
tearing, really bad bilateral

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hip dysplasia, that that was his
solution.

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But as as close minded as he
was, he had a little bit of open

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mindedness in there because he
did recommend acupuncture to me.

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And it was through that vet that
I saw for acupuncture services

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that I was just my whole world
opened up into like what

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veterinary care could be.
She was amazing.

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That vet sat me down and talked
to me for 45 minutes before she

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even did any of the acupuncture
work.

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Talked about Anne's diet, talked
about her history, talked about

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what I was feeding her.
So she changed everything.

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She made me realize, I mean, all
I knew before that was the vet I

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had previously seen just
prescribe some pills, hope for

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the best.
This is how dogs are.

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This is just her getting old.
So I was, you know, that that

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that changed everything.
And she convinced me to switch

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them from a kibble diet to a
fresh food diet.

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So I did that for both dogs and
saw such drastic changes in just

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a couple weeks.
And that was all I needed to

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just be sold on the whole thing.
So I just, I wanted more and dug

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into it more.
I read the Forever Dog book,

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started listening to podcasts
like yours, Angela Ardolino's

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Doctor Judy Morgan, and just
realized there's a whole world

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around this.
And it just, it sort of changed

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everything.
I couldn't get enough.

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I was mostly, I was curious, but
I was very angry too, because I

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realized that so much of what I
was doing was not right.

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And I prided myself on being a
really good dog parent.

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I mean, they were my top
priority in every aspect of my

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life.
So to learn that the people that

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I trusted with their health were
not necessarily giving me the

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best information was just such a
wake up call and such a slap in

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the face.
So I I tried not to get too

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overwhelmed and tried to slowly
change everything at my own

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pace.
The forever dog life will really

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overwhelm me when you read it
for the first time.

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Yeah, got my own pace.
And I got both of them switched

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over to an entirely raw diet.
I stopped flea and tick

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prevention.
I stopped vaccines.

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I mean, they're both seniors at
this point, so they were well

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beyond immune and fine.
And unfortunately, about 8

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months or so after making all
these good changes, Sweet Anne

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was diagnosed with oral cancer.
I noticed her breath smelling

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really bad, took her into that
acupuncture vet and she

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confirmed that she had oral
cancer.

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So that was hard.
But Anne was I think 12:00 or so

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when she was diagnosed.
So I knew, you know, I wasn't

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too hard on myself.
I knew and I still trusted in

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all of this holistic lifestyle
and holistic way of life.

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I knew that it just it takes a
long time to undo the years of

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doing things the wrong way, the
year of toxic toxic build up

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that was hard to take.
So I ended up and you can stop

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me.
I feel like I'm rambling.

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On go ahead.
That's great.

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I mean, that's.
So, yeah, when she was diagnosed

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with cancer, that obviously hit
me like a ton of bricks.

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Last thing I expected because I
was like, I'm doing all these

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things right.
This feels so good.

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So it kind of took some wind out
of my sails, But I knew that I

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was not going to go chemo route,
not going to go radiation.

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She was too old.
And I just don't think I would

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subject a dog to that anyway.
So it's kind of I left out of

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that, you know, She told me.
So while she was an acupuncture

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specialist or specialized in
Chinese medicine, she still was

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very traditional and
conventional and she didn't have

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a lot of other tools in her
toolbox.

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So she told me that if I wasn't
going to do chemo or radiation

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that my list of options was very
short.

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So that left me feeling helpless
for a week or spending every

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second I had.
I'm sorry the sun is so bad.

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I spent every spare second I had
just researching and trying to

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figure out how I could help her.
And eventually I got kind of

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frustrated and I almost went
through with scheduling an

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appointment with an oncologist.
I reached out to them and

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everything, like, you know what,
I need to get a second opinion.

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I need some more guidance.
And I was starting to second

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guess myself, like maybe I
should do like a, you know, see

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if there's surgery options, see
if I should do chemo and

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radiation.
It was like a divine

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intervention.
I listened to one of Doctor Judy

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Morgan's podcast episodes
interviewing Dr. Judy Jasik, and

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anyone listening knows that she
is.

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She specializes in canine
cancer.

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She's brilliant, and listening
back to that was perfectly

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timed.
I immediately scheduled an

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appointment with her and she
taught me so much about how we

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can support our dogs with cancer
naturally.

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And I forgot to mention too,
that that original vet that

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diagnosed Anne's cancer let me
know that she would probably

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only live 60 days or so if I
didn't do the conventional

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treatments.
And with Doctor J6 help and be

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focusing on the body as a whole
and not attacking the cancer, we

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were able to keep her for an
additional nine months was just

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incredible.
And then unfortunately, during

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Anne's cancer journey, we were
so worried about her.

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And a couple months later, while
we were traveling, while we were

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on the road, our dog Skip had an
emergency situation where he

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just, he was refusing to eat.
And I knew something was really

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wrong with him.
We were in the middle of nowhere

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in New Mexico and we took him to
an emergency vet there.

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And they, you know, I didn't
expect that it would be anything

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super serious.
I thought he was just

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dehydrated, got into something
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We've been bouncing around a
different campsite.

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So I was just thinking, God only
knows what he may have gotten

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into here.
So I went into it a little

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concerned because he had never
not eaten before in his entire

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life.
But unfortunately I was pulled

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into one of the exam rooms and
hit with the hard news that he

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had a mass on his spleen that
had ruptured and that was what

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made him weak and lethargic and
not want to eat.

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So Long story short, they kind
of backed me in the corner, used

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a lot of fear and me being on
the road too, it was just I was

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so scared he was going to, you
know, have have a major incident

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while we're on the road.
So I went ahead and went through

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with splenectomy surgery while
we were on the road and he had

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to spend 3 days there getting
pumped full of all kinds of

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anesthesia and antibiotics and
you know, Lord knows what else.

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Just a very stressful situation
for him and a situation where he

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was already not feeling himself.
And I have a lot of regrets

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around that.
I never, I'll never know if that

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was the right decision or not.
But regardless, we, we went

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through with that surgery and we
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So I have to be thankful for
that.

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But it was still very
heartbreaking because six weeks

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later he did end up collapsing
and passing on us.

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But it was, it was 6 beautiful
weeks where he was still very

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much himself and playing and
like nothing was wrong.

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He literally went out one day
chasing a ball.

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So yeah, that's the shortest
version I can give you on skip

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and ends.
You know I'm going to cry, so

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maybe you're going to cry.
I'm trying to mentally.

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No, that's so hard with our
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Oh my gosh, it was terrible,
terrible thing to go through.

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I mean, what in Anne's case it
was we had time to prepare

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ourselves and which we finally
did make the decision to put her

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down.
We knew she was ready and it was

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very peaceful and very plan.
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situation where we, you know,
for that six weeks, we were

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still traveling on the road, we
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river.
And I was just everyday thinking

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he could die while we're out
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And, you know, it was just
anytime I left him for more than

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just a couple of minutes, I was
so worried he could be gone

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because that was very much the
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But it worked out beautifully to
where, you know, he was

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literally playing with a ball at
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He got a little weak, collapsed,
and we tried to get him to an

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emergency vet.
He actually passed in in the car

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on the way.
But my husband and I were both

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with him.
You know, I'm.

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I'm thankful that we didn't make
it to the vet where they would

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have rushed him into surgery and
he likely would have just died

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with a bunch of strangers around
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Yeah.
So, yeah, it was a really, a

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really tough time to go through.
I mean, that that'll happen

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between about April and
December.

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And Skip was diagnosed in June,
so, and he passed in July.

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five months of each other.

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And I was thinking, yes, we, we
had this four year age gap.

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well, when Anne finally goes,

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we'll have Skip for a little
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We'll get another pot, then
we'll just keep overlapping and

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everything will be OK.
But it, it flipped our whole

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world's upside down to have Skip
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cancer and leave us so quickly.
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Yeah, I'm so sorry.
I mean, I know you were going

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through the course with some of
that and it was, it was tough.

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It was tough even trying to
think of like things to

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recommend and like, I don't want
to mess this up.

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But I mean, I think, I think you
handled it beautifully I and,

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and with both of them.
And I also want to acknowledge

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that, you know, like you said,
it takes time when we have

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raised our pets conventionally
for so long, like it just, it

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really takes time to to get back
to a place of health, of

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vitality.
And yes, we can see some amazing

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improvements in a very short
period of time, but that doesn't

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mean that all of the systems in
the body have caught up.

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And detoxing is, is a very, to
me, a very interesting thing

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because it's, there are
different phases of detoxing and

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we don't have a whole lot of
control over it.

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Like we can support our body and
our dogs bodies and our cats

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bodies in various ways, but it's
like we kind of have to almost

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hope for the best that the body
is going to work the way it's

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supposed to work and just kind
of know where to put the energy

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and the nutrients.
And it really, one of the things

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I was actually just talking
about this with another

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recording I was just doing
before this is that it's really

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easy for somebody on the
outside, somebody who isn't

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involved or even somebody who
maybe just found natural

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medicine or holistic modalities
to try it for a while.

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And then something bad happens
and they're like, oh, well, that

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didn't work.
That's not the right way to go.

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So I really appreciate that that
wasn't your mindset that that

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you realized that this takes
time.

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They had a lifetime, a long
lifetime of toxin buildup of the

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poor nutrition because of the
commercial foods.

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There was so much to overcome
that like your mind didn't

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immediately jump to, oh, this
doesn't work.

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There's something to be said
about that because I think not

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every, especially somebody on
the outside who doesn't

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appreciate natural remedies and
holistic modalities, for

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somebody like that to look and
point and say, we'll see, you

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should have just done what the
doctor said, yes.

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Yeah, yeah, that was something.
I just trusted it all so much.

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I understood that.
But you're right.

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There's so many people that that
don't get that.

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And it's there's, there's we
have this allopathic way of

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thinking just by how we've been
generationally conditioned to to

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care for dogs.
So there's something hard to

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overcome.
And I guess I don't give myself

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enough credit for for doing
that.

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Yeah, I absolutely knew it was
not any at any fault of not

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doing conventional treatment for
them.

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And actually, I blame this, the
surgery process for how short

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lived skips time was after or
after we found out.

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Something in me still thinks
that if I would have just held

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back a little and wait, took a
breath and got a second opinion,

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that he might have stuck around
a little longer without, you

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know, without that intervention.
But yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, nobody can blame.
I certainly can't blame you for

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going.
I'm sure I probably would have

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done the exact same thing
because that's scary.

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And they are really, especially
at like an emergency veterinary

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office, they are so good at
scaring you.

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I don't know if they intend to
like, maybe I don't know, maybe

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it's just because they're so
calloused because they see so

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much constantly.
Like they just have this

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constant onslaught of trauma
that they really do, I think,

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get calloused.
And like, if you don't listen to

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them, they're like, well, you're
just the worst person in the

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world because you're not
listening to me.

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That's.
What it feels like, yeah, I

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mean, all I kept thinking in the
back of my head was, gosh, I

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need to get Doctor Judy Jasik on
the phone.

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But nature of that, if she's not
on call for me, I would have to

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have scheduled an appointment
and hoped that she could maybe

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see me that next day.
And meanwhile, it's late at

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night, we're in the middle of
nowhere and this emergency

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surgeon is telling me that if we
don't let him stay tonight and

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book him for surgery in the
morning, that they can't

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guarantee they would get him in.
So it was very much that I was,

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I felt like I, my hands were
tied and I was back into a

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corner.
But still, it may have been the

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right choice.
And regardless, we did get 6

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great weeks with him.
I know with Hemangios sarcoma, a

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lot of people don't get that.
A lot of people find out when

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it's too late and that's usually
the case.

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Manchester coma.
So very lucky.

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But yeah, so I I chunked along
after that after losing both of

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them.
I had you know, I I have a

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social media following and a
very different world is centered

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around my dogs that mostly in
the fishing and outdoor world.

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And I started working with a raw
dog food brand.

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I don't think I'll say it here
for a little while because I did

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become quickly passionate about
about feeding our dogs fresh

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food and caring for our dogs
naturally.

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I decided, you know, I have two
large dogs to feed.

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Let me work with this brand so I
can afford to feed both of them

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a really good diet.
So I worked with them for a

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while and I was sharing a lot of
the information I was learning

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with that following that I had
been building over the last 5-10

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years to a very different
audience.

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I had a lot of dog parents that
were following me, but I learned

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quickly that this can be off
putting.

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Some people aren't really ready
to to hear this information, to

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hear that they have to spend
more money on feeding their

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dogs, to hear that they should
maybe question over vaccinating

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or their flea in sick for that
It is So I learned really quick

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that it's not for everyone and I
should have continued to just

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push it on everybody in
retrospect.

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But I did wanted to start a
whole community just dedicated

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to the dog health, the holistic
dog health, so.

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In order to do that, I knew that
I would get a lot of backlash

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for not being a veterinarian,
for not having DDM.

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So that is where I I didn't
really know what direction to go

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with that.
I obviously wasn't going to go

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back to.
I didn't want to go to vet

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school.
I didn't want to become

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indoctrinated.
That's something I'm thankful

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for every day.
I didn't want to be a vet when I

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was younger, and I had a lot of
regret throughout my whole life

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that I didn't go to veterinary
school.

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But I'm very thankful it didn't
work out that way because it's

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come full circle and I'm right
where I needed to be.

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But so I didn't know what steps
to take next or how I could.

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I can get knowledge to feel
comfortable starting a whole

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account centered around holistic
dog health, and that's where I'm

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listening to your podcast.
I came across an episode,

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actually, I'll take that back.
It was Angelina Ardolino's

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podcast and you were being
interviewed and she was talking

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to you after program.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, this

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is exactly what I've been
looking for.

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I just the opportunity to to
learn from someone with as much

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experience as Doctor Ruth and as
much experience as yourself.

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Yeah, I, I figured out it's
expensive as it was.

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And as much as I didn't have the
time for it, I'm like, I have to

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do this.
This will make me have a good

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leg to stand on when sharing
this information.

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It would just make me feel
better.

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And I thought it would help
relieve me of some of the the

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backlash.
Like it does not it actually,

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you know, people will find a way
to discredit you, and they

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definitely have.
Yeah.

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Yeah, for sure.
It's, it's interesting because

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I, I feel the same way.
Like when I was a little girl, I

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wanted to be a veterinarian.
So I always felt badly that

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that's not the route that I
took.

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Even though I went to college, I
did the, I did all the things

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and I always kind of was like,
man, I should have like that was

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my dream.
But now looking back, and I have

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talked to a few veterinarians
about this on the podcast, and I

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also talked to Doctor Judy's
daughter Gwen about it because

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there was, I remember it was
during COVID, I think there was

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talk about the federal
government subsidizing people to

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go into veterinary school
programs because of the shortage

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of people going through, because
of the veterinarian shortage.

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And I actually talked to Gwen
about it and I was like, I heard

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this and I was like, you were
the first person I thought of.

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I was like, are would you do it?
And she's like hell.

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No, I know.
Yeah.

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I couldn't either.
It's just that you're right, the

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indoctrination, after having
talked to so many veterinarians

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who look back and say, like, I
specifically Doctor Josie Bug, I

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was like, she spent her whole
life in nature very holistically

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minded.
And I was like, how did you make

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it through veterinary school?
And she was like, it was hard.

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That was the hardest part.
The resisting indoctrination for

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her was the hardest part.
And I feel, I feel for

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veterinarians, but I also have
this like resistance that I'm

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like, but you still have the
ability to think for yourself.

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You should, you should still
have the ability to think for

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yourself.
Unfortunately, some of them do.

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And then we get to know them.
Exactly.

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Yeah, I was talking to someone
recently who I think was a vet

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tech in the vet world for a long
time.

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And her husband finally
convinced her to leave because

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of this, the toxicity of the
work environment and because he

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knew she could tell her
integrity was being challenged

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every day.
She she saw it.

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She saw what was happening.
And I think that's the problem

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with a lot of our vets, I feel,
I feel badly for them because

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there are some where and they're
just stuck, you know, whether it

450
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,280
be financially or just the
indoctrination.

451
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,760
It's, it's terrible.
It's a really terrible thing to

452
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,280
be so mad at them but also have
so much compassion for them at

453
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,120
the same time.
Yeah, Yeah.

454
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:25,320
That's where I'm at for sure
moving forward.

455
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,800
You now haven't and I, I wanted
to say earlier and I, I

456
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,120
completely forgot like not for
nothing because goldens are kind

457
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:38,800
of known for cancer.
So this isn't like you did all

458
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,760
the right things and still like
goldens are known for this.

459
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,080
This is this isn't like, you
know, you probably did get, like

460
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,160
you said a lot more time with
them then you otherwise would

461
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,400
have because of the things that
you did.

462
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,840
And I want to acknowledge that
as well, just in case people

463
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,320
were like still hung up on the
maybe you should go

464
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,320
conventionally.
No, no, I don't think you

465
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,280
should.
No, I mean, they're predisposed

466
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,720
for sure to getting cancer, but
as you know, I think there's a

467
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,680
lot we can control to prevent it
from happening or at least delay

468
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,840
it from happening to them much.
A golden person.

469
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,440
I have a golden pup now that I'm
trying to do everything right

470
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,560
with as much as I possibly can.
But yeah, we still can't

471
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,520
control, but ultimately happens.
Yeah, and that's where I want to

472
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:38,200
go because adorable little not
so little anymore has been

473
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,680
growing up on social media.
Yeah.

474
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:48,840
And I love watching him grow up.
I am such a happy fiend.

475
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,280
I will admit I have never in my
life.

476
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,320
I just have.
I've always done rescue work

477
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,840
before getting into this.
And so I always wind up adopting

478
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,440
older animals because I know,
like, I just know that they

479
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,440
don't get the same attention,
have the same adoption rates.

480
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,160
And so I have never in my life
had a puppy.

481
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,080
So I watch puppies grow up on
social media and I'm so jealous

482
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,000
because I'm like, maybe next
time.

483
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,240
But then there's like this
little heart string that's like,

484
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,360
no, you're going to go and adopt
the oldest dog as a shelf.

485
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:21,720
Like, I just know that's what
I'm going to do.

486
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,280
That's it really is, but.
Yeah.

487
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,360
So Pine has been growing up on
social media and you have

488
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:32,920
putting been putting out some
really amazing content.

489
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,800
And I would love to know like
what you, what you've been doing

490
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,840
differently with Pine from the
very beginning.

491
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,480
Yeah, and that was kind of
another goal of starting a

492
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,760
separate community as I wanted
it to really be focused around

493
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,560
following someone.
You know, I always wanted

494
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,280
someone like me to show what
they were doing with their pup

495
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,560
from the very beginning and, you
know, empowering me and giving

496
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,720
confidence.
So, so that was my goal with

497
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,160
with Pine and this community is
to kind of walk people through

498
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,480
what we're doing differently.
So the scariest thing that I

499
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,160
took on was the natural immunity
approach.

500
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,600
We didn't do any of the puppy
vaccines and that was something

501
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,880
I was very careful with because
I don't it is a delicate path to

502
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,040
take.
It's not for everyone and it

503
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,800
shouldn't be taken lightly.
So we did do that and I did keep

504
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,920
it pretty quiet for the first
several months at least until I

505
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,360
got him titer tested and was
able to prove that he could

506
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:37,080
achieve immunity naturally.
I trusted all the science and

507
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,560
all the research and trusted
people I had talked to that had

508
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,080
done it as well.
But it was still a daunting

509
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:47,840
thing to take on because parvo
is very real and is fatal.

510
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:51,080
It's very scary and could very
easily have still happened.

511
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,120
So we did that together.
That was something I did

512
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:56,520
differently.
And again, I don't really talk

513
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,200
about it publicly too much.
When I talk one-on-one with

514
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,800
people, if it's something
they're interested in, we'll

515
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,760
talk through that together just
so I can make sure that they're

516
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,280
doing it correctly and that they
have a good holistic or

517
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,960
homeopathic vet on call should
anything go awry.

518
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,120
So we've done that and he's been
raw fed since the beginning.

519
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:18,960
I actually got him from a
natural ring breeder.

520
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,080
The, the cancer diagnosis and
losing skip and, and to cancer

521
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,960
traumatized me.
So I made sure to get him from a

522
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,640
breeder that started feeding raw
from the start, left vaccine

523
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,280
decisions up to me.
So we're doing the raw feeding.

524
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,800
No flea, tick, heartworm
preventatives.

525
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,840
Yeah.
So we're doing all those things,

526
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,360
and I wanted to showcase too,
that while we were going through

527
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,400
natural immunity that we weren't
living in a bubble either.

528
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,800
He roams in the woods and eats
deer poop, eats raccoon poop,

529
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,480
blankies.
It's just so wild.

530
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,400
Happy little puppy.
A lot of my clients that I

531
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,440
talked to you about natural
immunity are so, so worried and,

532
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,520
and deprive their dogs of
socialization opportunities

533
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,360
because they're so scared.
So I, I try to give people more

534
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,920
confidence that like it's going
to be OK and this is actually

535
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,520
helping to build their immune
systems along the way.

536
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:11,480
As long as you're layering in
protective measures like nosodes

537
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,080
and some kind of immune support.
Yeah, it's, it's so funny

538
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,280
because my dog Kim, so she's
she's 11 1/2 now and she, I have

539
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,760
had a couple of instances over
the years where she would go in

540
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,400
the cat splitter box.
She hasn't done it.

541
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,040
It has been very rare.
I will say in her life that it

542
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:39,640
has been very rare.
And the all the trap in my life

543
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,200
has put me in a very different
living situation at the moment

544
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,720
to where my dog and cats are
living together in a way that

545
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,400
they haven't lived together
before.

546
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:54,960
And so the litter boxes are much
more accessible for her and she

547
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,400
has not touched them.
So like that has made me pretty

548
00:29:58,400 --> 00:29:59,800
happy.
I really didn't think a whole

549
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,320
lot about it until I just took
her over to see my grandparents

550
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,080
last weekend.
And we spent a lot of time

551
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,120
outdoors because they live up in
the Smoky Mountains on top of a

552
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,280
mountain.
And like, it's just beautiful.

553
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,800
And like I wanted her to be out
in nature and not like city

554
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,000
nature, which is where we
typically live in the suburbs.

555
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,160
Like, I wanted her to actually
be out in nature and she picked

556
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,520
up some poop that I have no idea
what animal it was from.

557
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,000
And like, at first I'm like, I
have to get that away from her.

558
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,680
Like that was my gut instinct
was like, I need to get this

559
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,120
away from you.
And then she was just like

560
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,720
insistent.
So I'm like, OK, like, what's

561
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,080
the worst that can happen?
So yeah, I think it's it's it is

562
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,120
a very natural thing.
It was interesting because my

563
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,640
grandfather was talking about it
and he was like, that was when I

564
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,120
saw a dog do it.
Like my grandparents have never

565
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,360
had pets.
And he was like, and I saw a dog

566
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,400
do this one time where they ate
poop off of the ground.

567
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,240
And I was just like, I will
never have a dog.

568
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,160
And I'm like in the back of my
head going, actually, most

569
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,880
animals are cup, cup prophagic
or we're just really grossed out

570
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,400
by it as humans.
Yeah, it is a really gross thing

571
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,720
to think about.
And then?

572
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,320
Yeah, I always think about self
selection and I used to never

573
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,760
think about that until I started
learning about this stuff and

574
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,760
like, you know what, he's going
to be OK as long as it's not a

575
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,160
toxic plant or I'm just hey,
they know what they need.

576
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,240
Like they have strong noses,
strong instincts.

577
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,720
I try to just let it ride as
much as possible, but I'll

578
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,960
intervene now and then.
There's some line up, but.

579
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,440
Yeah.
And that remind and I actually

580
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,240
have not seen this, but somebody
told me about this.

581
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,400
I don't know if you've seen it.
Obviously FMT therapy, fecal

582
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,040
microbiota transfer, like I've
talked about that on on this

583
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,520
podcast before.
But it's a thing and it has been

584
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,680
around for a very, very long
time.

585
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,440
And it can be very, very
effective.

586
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,400
I think maybe a little less
effective than it used to be

587
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,960
because of the environment that
we're raising our pets.

588
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,960
And but humans have, you know,
we get in these like fat, like,

589
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,560
I guess it's just the way we've
been programmed for so long with

590
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,000
with media and advertising.
We get in these fads.

591
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,000
And apparently it has been a fad
on TikTok where people are kind

592
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,800
of making fun of FMT therapy and
they're like literally smearing

593
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,440
poop on their face as like a
TikTok challenge.

594
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,960
And I'm like, no, that's
definitely not how this works.

595
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,040
I don't know if you have seen
that.

596
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,200
Oh my gosh, I have not.
I haven't been on TikTok in

597
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,560
since I think 2020.
Thank goodness.

598
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,480
OK, for a while, but I can only
imagine what it's like right

599
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,000
now.
Yeah.

600
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,080
Yeah, I mean, it's like, you
know, between the Tide Pod

601
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,760
challenge and I don't know what
they're calling this challenge,

602
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,920
but like, I just don't know
where people's minds are.

603
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,960
I think sometimes I think it's
so intentional to kind of like

604
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,440
other the people who are
legitimately doing things the

605
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,640
right way and like trying to
spread awareness about how

606
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,360
amazing these natural remedies
and, you know, food therapy and

607
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,720
all these things are.
I think sometimes I do wonder if

608
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,400
it's kind of like opposition.
Media, it probably is probably

609
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,480
everything is a.
Conspiracy nowadays.

610
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,680
That is the 100%.
I was on a one of the office

611
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,760
hours calls with other students
just this morning and I'm like,

612
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,600
if y'all want me to stop telling
you about my conspiracy

613
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,160
theories, you need to, you need
to tell me to stop me.

614
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,360
Yeah.
I just couldn't get it out of

615
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,880
hand.
I recently just saw.

616
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,360
Sorry, we're just going to go on
this tangent.

617
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,760
I recently saw another TikTok
where this guy was on stage

618
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:44,560
talking to people.
And you know how it's so

619
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,520
misguided because regenerative
agriculture will literally save

620
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,680
the world.
It just like it will save the

621
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,160
world.
We need more cattle, not less

622
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,000
cattle.
We just need to be raising our

623
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:02,160
animals regeneratively.
The like climate change people

624
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,800
are all up in arms about less
cattle, less, you know, cows and

625
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,000
how how bad they are.
And so they don't want us,

626
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,840
especially as Americans to be
eating red meat.

627
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,280
They don't want us to be eating
beef.

628
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:24,120
So there is, excuse me, there's
a tick in the Northern Virginia

629
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,239
area.
I don't it may be other places,

630
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,360
but it's pretty regional.
I think right now that if it

631
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,840
bites you, it will the disease
you get very similar to like,

632
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,400
you know, people are very
familiar with Lyme and Ehrlichia

633
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,760
and other things like that.
It's called Super Gal.

634
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,920
And I actually heard about this
because Joni Kamlit with real

635
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,719
mushrooms has this from being
bitten by a tick because she was

636
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,320
living in Northern Virginia at
the time and she was moved

637
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,440
because of this.
And so she has had a very long

638
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,000
battle trying to figure out what
this was.

639
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:03,320
She cannot it what it does is it
it creates some sort of antigen

640
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,160
or in your body where you
literally become allergic to

641
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,160
eating red meat.
And so I saw this TikTok of this

642
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,600
man on stage talking to people
about how they are trying to

643
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:21,720
like biohack and bioengineer
tics to transmit this disease to

644
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,520
humans so that we stop.
Eating red meat.

645
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,400
I'd heard of alcohol before and
I know, I know people that have

646
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,640
it as well.
I'm like, that's one of my

647
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,280
biggest fears is not being able
to eat red meat anymore.

648
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,000
Damn, how?
Say.

649
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,840
One that's a deep one, that's
scary.

650
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,920
I mean, I'm already terrified
enough of ticks, but that adds

651
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,840
another level, yeah?
Yeah, I mean, I got to say,

652
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,360
like, I'm not terrified of
ticks.

653
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,920
I understand that there are
risks, but I'm not like they're

654
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,040
they're creepy to me more than
anything.

655
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,360
I'm not like I don't have this
kind of scared where I'm like,

656
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,960
I'm scared of what they're going
to do to me.

657
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,720
I'm scared that they're crawling
on me.

658
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:02,920
Like that's the kind of scared I
have for ticks.

659
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,680
But yeah, I always saw that the
other day and I was like, how

660
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,440
much more can they do to us?
It's crazy and it's just that's

661
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,960
that's been something that has
been a struggle.

662
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,840
I don't talk about much with
this too, is when you, when you

663
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,640
start waking up to these things,
it can create tension in your

664
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,800
personal life and relationships
like grow and change and it

665
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,800
really kind of changes your
circles and people really don't

666
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,640
know how to accept you or
tolerate you when you start

667
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,000
waking up to these things.
So.

668
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,000
Yeah.
But yeah, I mean, it's it's all

669
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,640
things that we really should be
aware of.

670
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,920
But awareness can turn some
people off, I'm sure.

671
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:47,520
It can.
And I I try very hard not to be

672
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,120
at all political because I
think, I don't think these

673
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,680
issues are political in my
opinion.

674
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,680
No, I don't.
Believe they're political.

675
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,960
I believe they're just human
issues.

676
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,720
And so like, I will start
talking about something and then

677
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,520
I'm like, I may be turning like
half of the population off right

678
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,720
now.
I have no idea.

679
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,360
Absolutely.
So how is Pine doing?

680
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,440
He's doing great.
He's actually being such a good

681
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,440
boy right now.
He's laying right underneath me

682
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,600
and I was worried he was going
to be a little rambunctious that

683
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,160
he settled in.
He's doing really well.

684
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,480
Love him.
Fortunately everything worked

685
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,120
out, so we're after we put Ann
down, we'd we've been planning

686
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,960
to pick him up just a few days
later.

687
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,160
We were hoping they'd get a
chance to meet, but they didn't.

688
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,000
So he's just been a joy for me,
helping me get through the last

689
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,160
year of my life with so many big
changes.

690
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,240
Yeah.
And so, OK, he is just, he's

691
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:49,920
completely naturally reared then
like that's amazing.

692
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,440
But that is so amazing to me.
I love it because, you know, I,

693
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,840
I feel like often times I have
to kind of temper what I say,

694
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,720
especially as you mentioned, I'm
not a veterinarian.

695
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,800
And so people there is a lot of
backlash about that.

696
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:11,000
I don't think.
And I know I like there, there

697
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:15,640
certainly are people that I, I
want to quote who will cause a

698
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,960
riot in the comments, but like,
you don't have, you don't have

699
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,360
to go to school.
You don't have to have like this

700
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:29,960
academic, you know, degree and
education to to learn things

701
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,360
like knowledge is available out
in the world.

702
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,760
Yes, there are some like I
absolutely appreciate our

703
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,280
veterinarians for what they are
good for.

704
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:41,600
They learn so much in vet school
about like the actual biology

705
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,520
and like Physiology of an
animal's body and so many

706
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,760
different animals, right?
Like that's it's an amazing

707
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,360
thing that they do that they all
all that they learn.

708
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,760
But like the things that we
educate about are not things

709
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,400
that you need degree for.
These are to me, these are like

710
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:04,440
common sense, like working with
the earth, getting back to how

711
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,160
we used to do things as humans,
as animals, how we used to

712
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,000
interact.
Like these are yes, we can take

713
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,840
advancements in technology with
like hem therapy and red light

714
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,440
and you all like they're they're
mimicking what we can get in in

715
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,800
the world.
Like, you know, a sound bath

716
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,920
going into the forest instead of
paying somebody to give that

717
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,800
experience to you inside of four
wall.

718
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,400
We are mimicking a lot of what
we can actually find in the

719
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,400
world if we actually just
connected to nature.

720
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,480
But it's, it's just incredible
to me that there is so much

721
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:48,600
knowledge out there and that
we've just, in my opinion, been

722
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,400
brainwashed to kind of like.
We've been bringing, this hasn't

723
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,000
been offered up to us and our
vets.

724
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,640
We're never taught any of this
either.

725
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,960
And that's that's something that
frustrates me on a daily basis.

726
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,840
Like why can't they focus on
what they're good at and admit

727
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,200
where they don't have a lot of
knowledge, admit their

728
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,480
shortcomings and outsource it?
I mean, I just don't know why

729
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,040
that is something that's so hard
to separate.

730
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,160
We're going to diagnostics,
we're good at surgery, you know,

731
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:16,840
we're going to administering
vaccines.

732
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,680
But if you want to talk to
nutrition, let's talk to a

733
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,480
canine nutritionist or a
holistic vet.

734
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,760
And that's one of my main goals
too, is helping people to see

735
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:28,960
that that that can be normal to
have to rely on a holistic or

736
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,080
homeopathic veterinarian as your
primary vet and then just seek

737
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,080
out conventional traditional
veterinarian medicine when

738
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,440
needed.
So that's something, I mean,

739
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,760
every client I talked to, that's
just foreign to them.

740
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,400
They, that's a foreign concept.
It was a foreign concept to me

741
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,440
until early last year when I
reached out to Doctor Judy

742
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,960
Jasik.
I didn't realize that was a

743
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:49,680
thing.
Because they are highly skilled

744
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,680
and they, there are times when
we will likely need, need

745
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,480
conventional or traditional
treatment.

746
00:40:55,480 --> 00:41:00,560
But for the most part, we should
just be relying on ourselves.

747
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,760
I think first and foremost
educating ourselves.

748
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,040
So we're not relying on on vets
and overworking them.

749
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:13,240
But so I'm just my goal is to
say educate people as best I can

750
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:16,320
on an individual basis or
through through my social media

751
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,640
so that they have more
confidence in taking their dogs

752
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,640
health into their own hands.
Because I've seen it first hand

753
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:28,320
to where really the most hands
off people that have, you know,

754
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,160
farm dogs and don't intervene at
all in their lives.

755
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,840
Those are the healthiest, most
long lived dogs and for a

756
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,160
reason.
I think we just, we overdo it.

757
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:42,400
We were too good of dog parents
sometimes that it comes back to

758
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,080
haunt you.
Yeah.

759
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:45,360
It's not.
Good.

760
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,040
What's skipping in?
Yeah, it's that I think it, I

761
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:54,000
think germ theory was one of the
worst things to happen to

762
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,320
medicine.
And it it, I actually just read

763
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,720
this this morning.
I'm going to share it here real

764
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:00,720
quick.
Let me pull it up.

765
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:06,800
It says it's actually on a sub
stack that I follow or I try to

766
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,360
follow.
He writes so much I can't keep

767
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,760
up with it.
But he's talking about how raw

768
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,080
honey can save your microbiome.
But he says let me find it, let

769
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,720
me find it.
We humans, and I believe this to

770
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,000
be true of dogs and possibly
cats as well.

771
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:27,640
We are meta Organism, a hybrid
being composed of 10 times more

772
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,200
microbial cells, meaning
bacteria, fungi and viruses than

773
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,280
human cells.
Even more astonishing, 99% of

774
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,280
the genetic material in our
bodies is microbial in origin,

775
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,600
so 10.
We have 10 times more bacteria,

776
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:49,640
fungi and viruses in our body
than we actually do human cells.

777
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,240
I think that's incredible.
I think that is amazing.

778
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:57,400
I think that says so much to
first of all, discredit germ

779
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,960
theory, yes, which I mean, I
hope we have discredited.

780
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,080
I don't think we have like based
on our medical system, I don't

781
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,480
think we have but but it
definitely has like translated

782
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,360
into how we care for our pets
and it is so detrimental.

783
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,120
I know I still have a hard time
sometimes.

784
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,880
Like I have to be so intentional
about taking my shoes off

785
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,520
outside.
Yeah, it's funny things like

786
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,920
that where you think it's, you
know, I grew up thinking taking

787
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,520
your shoes off was just being
like, I don't know, just about

788
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,320
cleanliness and cosmetic
reasons.

789
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:35,280
No, it's not necessarily the
natural bacteria, natural stuff

790
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,240
from outside.
It's the toxins from outside

791
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:38,480
that you're bringing into your
home.

792
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,240
That's that's where I'm
concerned now since we built our

793
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:44,920
new house and very much where
shoes off in here and as low tox

794
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,160
as possible and everything.
My poor husband like the

795
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,280
furniture I was getting us to
buy cuz I'm like it has to be

796
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,920
organic and it has to have all
these certification.

797
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,840
Like we had this chance to start
fresh.

798
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,600
Let's do it.
I know it's way more expensive,

799
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,520
but it'll be worth it because
we're going to be spending our

800
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,120
time in here.
That was.

801
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,720
That hit me when I read the
Forever Dog book, when I learned

802
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:10,960
about, you know, how many taxes
are bringing in on our shoes and

803
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,720
how much chemicals are in our
furniture, in our cleaners.

804
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:17,000
And that was very overwhelming
for me.

805
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,120
So I definitely tried to to do
that one step at a time.

806
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,280
And now with this new house and
like, all right, we're going to,

807
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,320
we're going to do this, right?
Yeah.

808
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,840
I love that so and obviously
these are all things that you do

809
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,480
teach one-on-one to people.
Is that accurate to say?

810
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,680
Can you do consultations?
I do the consultation after

811
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,920
having taken that course with
Doctor Ruth and I've kind of

812
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,040
evolved where I I like to do
more of 30 minute one on ones

813
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,440
with people just covering the
more general topics and helping

814
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,560
people get their feet wet in
this whole holistic way of

815
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,480
caring for our dogs.
Focusing on the big ones like

816
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,240
spaying and neutering and
vaccines and phasing out of or

817
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:01,440
getting rid of conventional
fleet tick and heartworm

818
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,080
medications completely helping
them with those because people

819
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,560
just, they just need to talk to
people that have done it.

820
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,920
So I try to make my
consultations very casual and

821
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,160
very much just like ask me
questions, ask me what I'm

822
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,520
doing.
Let me tell you, it can be done.

823
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,520
There's just there's a lot of
fear.

824
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,000
There's so much fear in this,
you know, in our current world.

825
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,320
And if you just focus, if I can
just help dog parents to think a

826
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,840
little bit differently and how
they approach making decisions

827
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,680
for their dogs, like it can
really impact their health.

828
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,760
So, so yeah, I do for those
one-on-one consultations and

829
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,760
they've been pretty steady.
I actually had one just before

830
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,280
we talked and that one was on
natural immunity specifically.

831
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,080
A lot of people are curious
about that.

832
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,320
I love that.
That's amazing, and it actually

833
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,440
seems so much less pressure than
what I do.

834
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,240
Yeah, I know.
And that's where I recently

835
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,960
dialed that back because, you
know, that course is building

836
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,320
you up to offer those
consultations where you're

837
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,680
helping dogs that are
chronically ill and have really

838
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,840
serious things going on, mostly
leaky gut issues or cancer.

839
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,080
So I, I would love to do that,
but right now I'm just really

840
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,160
spreading myself so thin, still
doing my graphic design work

841
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,720
while I try to migrate towards
doing this more full time.

842
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,840
So I just don't, and you know,
it takes so much time, even

843
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:23,320
those 30 minute calls, I'm still
doing so much research and

844
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,760
putting so much work into giving
clients a, a document with links

845
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,920
and protocols.
So it's a lot.

846
00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:35,280
I, I don't think, I think to
price it at what it's really

847
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:36,960
worth.
Like no one would ever actually

848
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,640
pay for it, unfortunately.
So yeah, I scaled back recently

849
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:45,240
where I'm not offering those
full length consultations where

850
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:47,920
I dig into that records and
history because I just don't

851
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,680
have the time time for it right
now.

852
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,880
I decided to shift my focus more
towards preventative.

853
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,680
Type, yeah, guidance, that's
awesome.

854
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,440
I mean, so necessary and I'm
glad that your community has

855
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,440
been accepting of that because
it is like that's my goal too.

856
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,120
Like I wish that's that's how I
went down this path to begin

857
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,840
with was, you know, being in
rescue.

858
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,080
I started a YouTube channel and
somebody commented that like,

859
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,520
wouldn't it be great if you
could just keep dogs out of

860
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,840
shelters and rescues?
And I'm like, yeah, like that's

861
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:29,160
so, you know, keeping dogs
healthy from the get go.

862
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,240
That's that is the ultimate
goal.

863
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,240
Yeah, it's kind of selfish
because that that's definitely

864
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,760
the easier approach.
I love, I want to help the ones

865
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,480
who really need it.
But those are your really hard

866
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:41,880
clients.
So you got to have the right

867
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,840
client who's going to buy into
this is going to take three to

868
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,360
six months or longer to fix.
So it's really hard to find the

869
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,040
right client because you can
easily turn people off when

870
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:53,920
they're not seeing results in a
couple of days or a couple of

871
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,880
weeks.
But yeah.

872
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,000
I know my my.
So many jobs are so screwed up

873
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,040
right now.
They are.

874
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,160
I know my leaking gut package is
12 months.

875
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,040
I mean, I tell that to them
upfront and they're like, what?

876
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:18,640
It's. 12 months, Yeah, If we can
get it done sooner, wonderful.

877
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,320
Yeah, that's 12 months.
And if they don't already know a

878
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:28,200
fair amount about how holistic
medicine and holistic support

879
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,200
works, then it's a battle to get
them to understand that it could

880
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,960
take that long.
If they do know, they'll be

881
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,160
like, OK, I'm ready for this.
I know it's going to help my dog

882
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,280
long term.
But I think most people are just

883
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,440
like, no way.
I'd rather take the easier

884
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,880
option.
Yeah.

885
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,760
Yeah.
And that's it all boils down to

886
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,440
really is I think we blame our
veterinarians and we blame,

887
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,320
blame the vet schools for how
poorly they're trained.

888
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,600
But I think a lot of the issues
how we demand convenience, most

889
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,280
dog parents just demand
something that's quick and easy.

890
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,680
And and I see it all the time in
in my comment section on my

891
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,320
Instagram, like, you know, where
people bash, you know, naturally

892
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,440
in tick prevention, for example,
because we'll still see Flick

893
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,840
still safely in ticks now and
then.

894
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,240
It's like you got to you got to
be willing to put forth the

895
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,440
extra effort for your dogs.
And that may mean having an

896
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,240
inconvenience of seeing fleece
and ticks once in a while or

897
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,080
having to manually check them
every night.

898
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,800
It's just a whole whole
different mindset.

899
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,360
You know, convenience.
Convenience is really what I

900
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,320
think might be one of the main
killers of our dogs.

901
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,800
It's just in US convenience
culture, convenience culture is

902
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,560
just awful.
The convenience and having to be

903
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,600
busy all the time and being so
stressed.

904
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,560
Yeah, absolutely.
I completely agree.

905
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,080
Thank you, Amazon.
No, really.

906
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:46,640
I mean, thank you pharmaceutical
companies.

907
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:51,040
That's really where it started.
OK, So, you know, people are

908
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,120
interested in the preventive,
especially this, you know,

909
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,400
natural rearing.
I think that is so incredible.

910
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:01,280
It's definitely like, that was,
in my opinion, a hole in the

911
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,560
space that you're filling, which
may one of the reasons why

912
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,440
you've blown up so quickly
because it's not something most

913
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,760
people do.
It's not something most people

914
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,280
talk about.
I love that.

915
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,280
How can it?
What's the best way for people

916
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,720
to find you?
Is it on your Instagram?

917
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,320
Yeah, I probably think my
Instagram and I do have a

918
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,840
website, tailswell.com too.
And you know, I, you can book

919
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,920
consultations through that.
And then I do offer a few.

920
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,320
I'm working on more of more
digital products because as the

921
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,680
pages grow, as you know, I mean,
I have hundreds of unread direct

922
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,320
messages and then people were
contacting me via e-mail through

923
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,800
my website as well.
So I'm then trying to figure out

924
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:42,480
ways that I can get information
out to more people because I am

925
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,600
still just one person.
So it does get overwhelming

926
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,200
because I really do enjoy
helping and I will dive into the

927
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,000
direct messages sometimes and
spend way too much time helping

928
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,520
people.
And I will dive into the

929
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,840
comments sometimes.
But you know, I have to remind

930
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,800
myself that my time is probably
better spent elsewhere.

931
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,400
So I do prefer talking people
one-on-one if I can and then

932
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,720
creating these digital products
to help people with some of the

933
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:10,360
things I get a lot of questions
about like detoxing after

934
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,640
vaccines and heartworm is a big
one.

935
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,360
So yeah, I'm working on more,
but maybe I'll do one on natural

936
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,200
immunity.
But for natural immunity, I

937
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,480
think that the guru on that is
Doctor William Falconer and his

938
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,840
website.
I learned so much from his

939
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,240
podcast and his website and his
courses.

940
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:32,720
So he's he's a great one for
people to to dive into.

941
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,160
I can recommend him a lot to my
clients because I recommend a

942
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,120
lot of resources to my clients
because unlike conventional,

943
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:45,600
traditional veterinarians, I
want to only see my clients once

944
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,720
or twice.
Like I I want to empower them

945
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,600
and give them the tools they
need to to get to the level that

946
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,800
you and I are at, or somewhat
close to.

947
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,240
At least close enough that
they're comfortable taking their

948
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,880
dog's health into their own
hands so that they won't need to

949
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,640
rely on us anymore.
Yeah, absolutely.

950
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,400
Oh my gosh, I can't.
Yeah.

951
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,400
I don't know if a day goes by
that I don't talk about Doctor

952
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,680
Falconer.
Make their Oh my gosh, she's so

953
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,640
great.
And I think unfortunately not

954
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,520
everyone's like you and I like I
think we're breed where we can't

955
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,400
get enough of this stuff and we
really enjoy reading and

956
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,160
listening to my husband thinks
I'm crazy for how much I can

957
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,960
just take courses and, you know,
read research papers and he's

958
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,760
just like, I just I love to
learn and I don't necessarily

959
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,280
have as much time as I would
like for it, but any spare

960
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,520
second I get, I'm doing it.
So not everyone's wired like us

961
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:36,920
either.
So that's why it's also

962
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,840
important that we're here to
kind of help make information

963
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,400
bite sized for for those that
don't have the time.

964
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,160
Awesome.
Well for you, thank you so much

965
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:47,720
for being here.
Thank you so much for sharing

966
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:51,760
your story and for what you do
and for filling that hole in

967
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:57,560
education that I think obviously
people are just dying to consume

968
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,720
because they do want we, I mean,
we all want our pets to live so

969
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:06,440
much longer than they than they
do and healthy, like not just

970
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,040
live, but like live healthy and
have a.

971
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:15,360
Vital Life, So many of these
people I talked to are just just

972
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,800
looking to be proactive, which
I'm so jealous of because

973
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,240
unfortunately for me, it took
having something really bad

974
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,240
happen to to finally get myself
in gear.

975
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:28,400
So it's, it's been really
refreshing to see how many pet

976
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,760
parents out there are wanting to
be proactive because because

977
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,840
they know they, they have
enough, you know, they can look

978
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,560
out and see in long term what
may happen if they don't make

979
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,680
changes.
And I feel guilty because for

980
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,200
me, I just, I went along with it
until it was too late, almost

981
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,040
so.
We all have our own path.

982
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,680
That's totally understandable.
Yes guys, check the show notes

983
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,320
for links to Bree's Instagram
and her website.

984
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,240
Very excited for any
downloadables that you did come

985
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:00,480
out with and thank you so very
much for being here to talk to

986
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:01,920
my.
Listener, yeah.

987
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,680
Thank you so much.
Good to see you.

988
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,520
You too.