Aug. 26, 2025
212. What Does Holistic Mean?
I've started asking guests of the podcast what holistic means to them and I've gotten some interesting answers because we all have a but of a different viewpoint and understanding of what it means. There are certainly biases around how far down the rabbit hole we've gone and what we've experienced in our lives. So this year at Super Zoo, I decided to ask the people I spoke with what holistic means to them. I love the compilation that I was able to put together for you! Plus, I decided t...
I've started asking guests of the podcast what holistic means to them and I've gotten some interesting answers because we all have a but of a different viewpoint and understanding of what it means. There are certainly biases around how far down the rabbit hole we've gone and what we've experienced in our lives.
So this year at Super Zoo, I decided to ask the people I spoke with what holistic means to them. I love the compilation that I was able to put together for you! Plus, I decided to see what some of the big guys have online about what they see as holistic. I hope you find it as interesting as I do!
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What does holistic mean to you?
I find this question so
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incredibly interesting.
I try to remember to ask it as
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often as I can on the podcast to
my guests.
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And I have some answers from
some people, but I don't always
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remember to ask them.
And what I did this year at
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Super Zoo.
So we can talk a little bit
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about what Super Zoo is in a in
a minute, but I asked just about
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everybody I came into contact
with what holistic means to
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them.
And the reason I did this is
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because we all kind of have a
little bit of a different view,
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a little bit of a different idea
of what holistic means to us.
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I was actually pretty surprised
that there was a common thread
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amongst almost everybody.
Couple of them stood out, but
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there was kind of a common
thread.
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And I wanted to put this
together first.
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Let me say if there are any
issues with the audio, we were
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on a very loud trade show floor.
So I apologize for that.
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I promise it is worth it to
listen through all of the
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everybody who answered this
question.
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And I just want to say that I am
so grateful for the community,
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for the healthy pet community,
which by the way, Lauren with
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girls, Girls Gone Raw, she, she
calls it crunchy.
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So I think that's what we're
going to do from here on out is
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that I'm going to try my best to
remember to call it the crunchy
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pet community because I love
that so much.
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But we, to me, I think
integrative is the best
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approach.
And but even to be integrative,
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we have to have a good
understanding of what holistic
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means because we're pulling
holistic in to allopathic and
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kind of combining them in really
cool ways.
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Doctor Katie King is being one
of the one of the most amazing
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vets I know, really doing
incredible integrative work.
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But I want to present to you a
bunch of people, not everybody I
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didn't get around to everybody.
I wish I had gotten more, but it
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is what it is and what holistic
means to them.
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And then at the end, I have
something a little interesting
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to tell you.
Hi I'm Jamie Smith, I am the CEO
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and Co founder of Innovative Pet
Lab.
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And what holistic means to me is
looking at the whole pet and the
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whole person, figuring out the
root cause and guiding forces of
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treatment.
Hey, this is Nicole with.
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Small batch.
What is the definition of
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holistic?
To me, I think holistic means
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really considering mind, body
and spirit of the being at hand.
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If that is human or animal, how
do we consider the needs of each
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of those major facets of their
existence and take make
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decisions from their point of
view?
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Are we really considering the
needs of that species?
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Are we looking at the
individual's genetics?
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How do we combine nourishing
mind with proper enrichment
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activities?
Exposure to new environments?
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How do we look at nourishing the
body?
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It is giving a species
appropriate food.
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It is.
Healing from the inside out and
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spiritually.
How do we interface with all of
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the creatures on the planet?
Our companion pets are the ones
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we spend the most time with, but
as a brand, Small Batch puts so
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much care and concern into
supporting farms that raise
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livestock with the most
reverence for the animals they
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raise.
Being considerate of all of the
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pieces of the puzzle when it
comes to balance energetically
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on the planet, right?
Everything and everyone is
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interconnected.
So are all of our systems.
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Can we take a little bit from
each side of the coin, each side
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of the spectrum?
Combine Eastern with Western.
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Forward.
Thinking with traditional it's
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being open to finding a little
bit of everything for each
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individual creature to best
serve their needs.
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Hi, my name is Rita Hogan.
I'm a clinical canine herbalist
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and holistic means to me really
coming together to treat the
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whole body in like with a
residence and frequency that
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improves every cellular
structure in the body.
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And I think the baseline is
demanding better, being better
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than the status quo, making
products and giving information
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that provides a basis for
individuality as well as full
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body support.
OK, so ladies, what does
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holistic mean to you?
Well.
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Well, hi, I'm Carissa with Coco
Therapy.
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I'm Carmina with Coco Therapy.
Holistic to me means looking at
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the dog like whole totally.
So you just don't like look at 1
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issue like the ear or why
they're itching.
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You see their diet, you see
their lifestyle.
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So you kind of look at the dog
as a whole.
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And for me, it means happy long
life because you're just not
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just addressing their health,
their food.
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You're looking at their
well-being, their mental state,
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emotional state, their stress
level.
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And to me, it means trying to
give them the happiest, longest
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life you possibly can.
Thank you, lady.
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Hi my name is.
Jeff Duray and I'm.
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Co-owner of Plug and Hound Pet
Apothecary holistically minded
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pet store in Geneva, IL and what
holistic means to me is.
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Whole food, very simple.
Whole food was the way to go, so
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start there and everything else
will fall in.
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Line Hi I am Maria Ringo I'm the
co-owner of Carnivore.
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Carnivore is a wonderful pet
food for dogs and cats.
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What does holistic mean to me?
When I think of the word
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holistic, I think of how it is.
It's so overused now on anything
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and everything.
But honestly, what holistic is,
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is a basic, a basic being simple
and natural and complete in the
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body.
I wonder if that makes any
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sense.
But that's what I think of when
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I think of holistic.
It's so overused and it's such a
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commercialized word now that
when I think of holistic, I
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think, oh, these people that
don't tell the truth on their
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packaging.
But what it really is is a
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consideration of the wholeness
and the oneness of everything.
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And that's not so easy to
explain, but if you get it, you
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get it.
It's a respect for the whole.
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So.
We pull it all together when we
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are being holistic, when we are
thinking of something
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holistically, we're trying to
pull it all together, Consider
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all the parts, all the corners.
That's what it actually means to
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me.
Hi, my name is Billy Hookman.
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I am the Vice President of
Nutrition and Communication for
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Green Juju and holistic to me is
finding the baseline of health
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before you potentially need
supplementation or medication.
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So we should be able to find a
good health baseline with food
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based items.
And then if you we need medicine
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or we need supplements later,
then we move in that direction.
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But I don't think you can find
that baseline or start to
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improve health until you start
with food and then move to that
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eventually so.
Hi I'm Janine from project.
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Studs and what does?
Holistic mean.
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To me, when I think of holistic,
I think of more about a whole
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body meant of holistic instead
of just about what we eat.
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And I'm very particular about
what I eat, what I keep my
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dough, but I also think about
the environment and what we put
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on our bodies and what we clean
our house with.
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To me, it's all-encompassing
about not only our food, but
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everything we use.
Hi, I'm Alyssa from 4 Legger and
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I've been asked to give what the
word holistic means to me.
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And I would say my answer comes
from a background in
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occupational therapy where we're
a very holistic oriented
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therapeutic rehab part of the
the therapy areas for humans.
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And so to me, holistic means
that you consider the entire
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being and that you can't just
separate out, for instance, with
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people, their work life from
their self-care life from their
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leisure life.
It's all part of who they are.
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And if one has a breakdown, then
they all have a breakdown either
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indirectly or possibly directly
too.
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So with our animals, the same is
true, so that if a dog has a gut
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problem, then they probably have
a skin problem too.
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And it's important to try to get
both of them resolved so that
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your your dog is as healthy as
they can be as a complete being,
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not just as a part of whatever
happens to be sick with them at
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the time.
So very important to make that
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distinction because between our
animals, just because I think
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we've gotten too much focused on
treating symptoms and not really
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focusing on what the entire
problem is and trying to address
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it from the underlying factor
that's causing it in the first
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place.
So there's my answer to holistic
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and I hope that's helpful.
Thanks.
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Hi, I'm Doctor Chris Bessent.
I've been a veterinarian for
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gosh, 37 years now.
I've treated 10s of thousands of
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veterinary patients and the
question for me is what does
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holistic mean to me?
Holistic means to me at its at
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its root is looking at the whole
animal and that everything is
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interconnected.
So if you have a particular
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issue, should you be changing
their food?
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Should you be adding herbs?
Should you be talking about
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lifestyle?
Should you be, you know,
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changing something in their life
that's predisposing them to
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whatever's going on with them?
And so a holistic approach is
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looking at the whole animal and
understanding how things are all
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interrelated.
And one thing fixing one, just
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fixing the problem might not be
the root of it that you need to
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fix the problem, but you also
need to fix the reason why that
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problem would occur.
And that makes it much more
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expansive, much more detailed
than just the idea that holistic
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is good and that holistic is
high quality kind of nuance or
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New Agey.
It's it's not about that at all.
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It's really about looking at the
entire system.
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My name is Christopher Fox.
I am a holistic bed tech.
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I own pocket hound pet
apothecary and holistic to me
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means addressing the whole
animal and looking at things as
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a whole.
So instead of looking at, you
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know, one body system or the
other, holistic to me is looking
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at the animal from from a larger
frame of view and addressing
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everything as a whole.
Hi, I'm Doctor Odette Souter,
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I'm a holistic veterinarian and
I was asked to answer the
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question what holistic means to
me, holistic, basically the word
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itself means whole, means
everything.
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So to me, holistic is really
using everything that we have
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available.
Obviously as much as possible,
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more natural things would be
ideal, but it doesn't really
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exclude conventional medicine,
conventional tools, because they
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are part of that too.
And sometimes animals do need
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that for their quality of life.
Basically knowing that they're
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in a lot of pain or if they need
surgery or whatever they need,
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sometimes we need to use that.
So holistic does not exclude
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conventional medicine in my, in
my view, but certainly holistic
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also to me means really
addressing the root cause, the
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foundation of things, and not
just taking the 1 pill for an
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I'll and converting that to 1
supplement for an I'll approach
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because that's the same
thinking.
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So holistic also means thinking
in a way where you're basically
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looking at the body and how you
can improve the function because
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anytime there's a, a symptom, it
means something is not
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functioning quite the way it
should.
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And so restoring that function
then takes care of the, of the,
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the symptoms.
So for me, holistic is really
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figuring out and asking the
right questions.
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So what's happening first?
Why is it happening?
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And then we can ask how do we
fix it?
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So holistic is really about
it's, it's a bit of a mindset,
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it's a bit of a approach to
really understand what's going
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on that is causing the symptoms
because symptoms are really just
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kind of the body's, you know,
red light that comes on like in
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your car, you know, your check
engine light.
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So it's not, there's nothing
wrong with the check engine
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light, right?
You have to figure out what's
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going on or what's wrong
underneath.
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So that's basically what
holistic medicine means to me,
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is to really figure out what is
going on, why is it happening,
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and then ask how we can fix it.
I am the owner of Green Juju.
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And to me, holistic means the
whole picture of health.
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So it means what we're eating,
the stress in their environment,
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the toxins in their environment,
what materials we have around, a
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lot of things about the
environment.
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wrong, not looking at treating
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the symptoms, but treating the
root.
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And where did that come from and
how can we fix that from all the
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different angles?
Hi Susan Recker with Animal Diet
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Formulator.
And what holistic means to me
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is, is taking into account all
of the.
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Factors and.
Using all of the tools that are
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available.
And that's going to be a
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different approach for every
patient because every.
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Patient has different.
Needs and different
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circumstances.
So holistic to me means
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maintaining an open mind and
being open to learning and
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trying new things and evaluating
the patient in front of me with
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all its own special
circumstances.
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And not just the patient, but
the the pet Nur that comes along
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with that patient because that's
a big part of the picture as
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well.
Hi, I'm Jay.
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I'm Jay.
And together we are.
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We also don't trigger all the
time.
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Don't say that.
OK, this is she can edit.
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She can edit.
You'll edit, right?
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What does holistic mean to us?
I think.
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Holistic with like WH holistic.
Holistic means looking at
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everything from.
A bigger.
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Perspective.
Inside out, yeah, right.
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Like so, so holistic is like a
unfortunately, it's like a, like
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a buzzword, right?
Like it's, it's something that
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like people think is Boo Boo,
but it's actually like, how
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about we look at the entire
animal?
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How about we look at their
environment, their their food,
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health, their diet, everything.
How?
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About we look at all of this and
we put it together and that is
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what we treat.
That's the whole.
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That's what we address.
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Holistic.
Big picture.
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So yeah, everybody, everybody,
kind of almost everybody had a
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very similar idea, a very
similar thread through
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everything.
For me, holistic means taking
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into account the whole being,
but not just the whole being,
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the whole of life.
So the environment, energy, the
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whole of the planet.
So we can actually take into
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account, you know, that cattle,
that beef that we're feeding or
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that duck that we're feeding or
whatever it is.
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How was it raised as well?
That matters so much because of
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the impact that we have on the
planet, but not all, not just
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the impact that we have on the
planet, but also that life force
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that we are feeding our pets,
that we are feeding ourselves,
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right.
When we think about us and, and
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being more holistic and the
energy of that, not just like
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temperature or Chinese medicine
energy, but like the energy
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energy, the vibrational energy
that we are putting in our
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bodies, that we're putting in
our pets bodies.
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And so the whole looking at the
whole WHOLE, that's what
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holistic means to me.
One of the things that Jessica,
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who is the practice manager at
Integrative Vet Care, which is
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Doctor Katie Kangas's practice,
said to me was it would be
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really cool if you could get to
some of these people that we
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don't normally talk to Purina,
Hills, whoever, and ask them
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what they think holistic means.
And I found that to be so
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interesting.
I didn't have time to do that at
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Super Zoo this year.
I just literally the show, show
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ends and you're not allowed to
be on the floor anymore.
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But I what I did find online, I
couldn't find Hills having
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anything about holistic in a in
a Google search, but I did find
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Purina
purina.com/articles/dog/health/nutritionslash/holistic
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versus natural dog food.
So this is a blog that they have
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and it says the terms natural
and holistic get used a lot in
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both the human and pet food
industries.
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Most people how however, aren't
familiar with the difference
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differences between holistic and
natural dog food.
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So they're kind of saying that
these terms which are not very
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clearly defined, if you go back
to a an episode that I did not
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too terribly long ago with
Isabel, we did some weekly pet
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roundups on some of the
misleading claims and pet food
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and what is actually defined and
what is not and holistic and
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natural or not or not, but
they're not regulated equally.
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So natural is defined as
existing in or caused by nature,
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not made or caused by humankind.
Therefore, a natural dog food
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implies that the products within
are derived from nature and not
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manufactured by humans.
However, USDA, I'm sorry, the
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Food and Drug Administration,
the FDA does not have a legal
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definition for natural human or
pet products.
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However, AFCO does have a more
specific definition as it
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relates to pet food.
A feed or ingredient derives
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solely from plant, animal or
mind sources, either in its
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unprocessed state or having been
subject to physical processing,
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heat processing, rendering,
purification, extraction,
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hydrolysis, enzyme molysis, or
fermentation, but not having
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been produced or subjected to a
chemically synthetic process,
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and not containing containing
any additives or processing aids
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that are chemically synthetic,
except in amounts as might occur
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unavoidably in good
manufacturing practices.
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So per Apco's guidelines,
according to this Purina blog,
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natural dog food products can
include in synthetic sources or
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essential amino acids, vitamins
or minerals.
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That's not how I would want it
to be.
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But that is unfortunately kind
of how pet food is.
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It's it's kind of up for how do
you understand it?
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And a company as big as Purina
is absolutely going to get away
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with whatever they want.
What is holistic dog food?
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Again, according to this Purina
blog, holistic is defined
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generally as characterized by
comprehensive comprehension of
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the parts of something as
intimately interconnected and
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explicably.
Let me start that over.
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My goodness.
Holistic is defined generally as
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quote characterized by
comprehension of the parts of
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something as intimately
interconnected and explicable
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only by reference to the whole.
End Quote.
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Oh boy, that's a legalese way of
saying.
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Looking at the whole, the
medical definition is quote,
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characterized by the treatment
of the whole person, taking into
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account mental and social
factors rather than just the
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symptom of a disease.
Not too shabby.
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Purina a holistic Continuing on
the blog, holistic sounds like a
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good thing, but it's meaningless
when it comes to dog food.
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There's no legal definition for
holistic dog food.
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It's also not regulated by the
FDA, AFCO, or the USDA, which
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regulates organic products.
In the pet food industry,
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holistic is a marketing term
used to imply whole body health.
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Since there's no legal
definition of the term, it's
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used freely without any
regulation or oversight.
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If a dog food label claims it's
both natural and holistic, only
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the word natural has any
meaning.
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So you know, it's it's a pretty
short blog that Purina has out,
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but I actually like the content
that's in it.
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They're just giving the facts
though.
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They are saying that natural can
have as much synthetics as they
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want to put in it, but that
actually is true based on the
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AFCO definition that it can at
at.
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So AFCO says is if it's
unavoidable in good
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manufacturing practices.
So Purina can take that and say,
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well, these are our good
manufacturing practices.
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So AFCO kind of leaves it open,
and that's kind of the point to
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let these manufacturers do what
they want.
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Otherwise, I think it's a pretty
decent blog, I think.
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Well, I think it's a good blog
anyway, because peering is
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saying, look, this is how we
interpret it, and so this is
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what we're doing.
So they're being at least
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transparent about it, but I did
want to include that because it
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was about all I could find
online for some of these big pet
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food manufacturers and talking
about holistic in general.
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And I wanted to kind of just put
that out there to you guys.
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So I hope this was helpful and I
kind of hope more than anything
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above and beyond anything else
we talked about, one of the
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things that I'm just so
passionate about asking people
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to consider is that, you know,
when we when we ask for natural,
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when we ask for holistic, when
we are going back to the earth
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and saying, I am bringing myself
or my pet back to you to help me
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get back into homeostasis, to be
one with the earth again and to
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use more holistic practices in
our pet parenting and maybe
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managing disease, whatever it is
we're doing, we have to get out
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of the mindset of a pill for
every I'll, we have to get out
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of the idea that, you know,
something hurts and we're going
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to take a pill and it's
immediately going to feel better
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or very quickly going to feel
better.
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Because when we are bringing the
body back into homeostasis and
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we are trying to reconnect with
how our body should naturally
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work with the earth, it takes
time.
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And we just have to get out of
that mindset that that that
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pharmacological, just take
something.
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This is going to be quick and
easy mindset because that's just
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not the way it is with natural
stuff.
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Now, if we start proactively
with natural stuff, then yeah,
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it can be great.
But when we're already in a
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disease process, it can be kind
of difficult and take time and
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take trial and error.
But at the end, it is so, so
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worth it.
And then again, we can use
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things integratively as needed
to help us get through things
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that are really, really tough.
So if you have questions about
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that, if you're dealing with
something with your pet and
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you're like, I don't know what
to do anymore or, or maybe
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you're not there think and that
would be amazing and you just
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want to start being more
proactive, naturally reach out
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to me because I absolutely still
do one-on-one consultations.
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I am in the process of building
a a new website for all of that.
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So you know, I I'm going to
absolutely update you when I
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have that new website ready.
But in the meantime, you can
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still go to jessicalfisher.com.
Check the show notes, it's all
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there.
And again, I want to say thank
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you to Legacy Biome for being a
partner for this podcast, and
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thank you guys so much for being
here.
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Until next week, give your pets
some extra love for me.
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What does holistic mean to you?
I find this question so
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incredibly interesting.
I try to remember to ask it as
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often as I can on the podcast to
my guests.
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And I have some answers from
some people, but I don't always
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remember to ask them.
And what I did this year at
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Super Zoo.
So we can talk a little bit
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about what Super Zoo is in a in
a minute, but I asked just about
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everybody I came into contact
with what holistic means to
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them.
And the reason I did this is
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because we all kind of have a
little bit of a different view,
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a little bit of a different idea
of what holistic means to us.
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I was actually pretty surprised
that there was a common thread
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amongst almost everybody.
Couple of them stood out, but
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there was kind of a common
thread.
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And I wanted to put this
together first.
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Let me say if there are any
issues with the audio, we were
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on a very loud trade show floor.
So I apologize for that.
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I promise it is worth it to
listen through all of the
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everybody who answered this
question.
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And I just want to say that I am
so grateful for the community,
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for the healthy pet community,
which by the way, Lauren with
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girls, Girls Gone Raw, she, she
calls it crunchy.
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So I think that's what we're
going to do from here on out is
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that I'm going to try my best to
remember to call it the crunchy
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pet community because I love
that so much.
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But we, to me, I think
integrative is the best
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approach.
And but even to be integrative,
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we have to have a good
understanding of what holistic
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means because we're pulling
holistic in to allopathic and
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kind of combining them in really
cool ways.
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Doctor Katie King is being one
of the one of the most amazing
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vets I know, really doing
incredible integrative work.
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But I want to present to you a
bunch of people, not everybody I
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didn't get around to everybody.
I wish I had gotten more, but it
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is what it is and what holistic
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And then at the end, I have
something a little interesting
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to tell you.
Hi I'm Jamie Smith, I am the CEO
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and Co founder of Innovative Pet
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And what holistic means to me is
looking at the whole pet and the
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whole person, figuring out the
root cause and guiding forces of
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treatment.
Hey, this is Nicole with.
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Small batch.
What is the definition of
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holistic?
To me, I think holistic means
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really considering mind, body
and spirit of the being at hand.
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If that is human or animal, how
do we consider the needs of each
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of those major facets of their
existence and take make
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decisions from their point of
view?
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Are we really considering the
needs of that species?
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Are we looking at the
individual's genetics?
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How do we combine nourishing
mind with proper enrichment
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activities?
Exposure to new environments?
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How do we look at nourishing the
body?
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It is giving a species
appropriate food.
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It is.
Healing from the inside out and
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spiritually.
How do we interface with all of
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the creatures on the planet?
Our companion pets are the ones
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we spend the most time with, but
as a brand, Small Batch puts so
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much care and concern into
supporting farms that raise
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livestock with the most
reverence for the animals they
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raise.
Being considerate of all of the
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pieces of the puzzle when it
comes to balance energetically
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on the planet, right?
Everything and everyone is
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interconnected.
So are all of our systems.
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Can we take a little bit from
each side of the coin, each side
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of the spectrum?
Combine Eastern with Western.
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Forward.
Thinking with traditional it's
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being open to finding a little
bit of everything for each
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individual creature to best
serve their needs.
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Hi, my name is Rita Hogan.
I'm a clinical canine herbalist
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and holistic means to me really
coming together to treat the
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whole body in like with a
residence and frequency that
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improves every cellular
structure in the body.
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And I think the baseline is
demanding better, being better
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than the status quo, making
products and giving information
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that provides a basis for
individuality as well as full
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body support.
OK, so ladies, what does
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holistic mean to you?
Well.
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Well, hi, I'm Carissa with Coco
Therapy.
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I'm Carmina with Coco Therapy.
Holistic to me means looking at
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the dog like whole totally.
So you just don't like look at 1
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issue like the ear or why
they're itching.
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You see their diet, you see
their lifestyle.
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So you kind of look at the dog
as a whole.
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And for me, it means happy long
life because you're just not
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just addressing their health,
their food.
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You're looking at their
well-being, their mental state,
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emotional state, their stress
level.
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And to me, it means trying to
give them the happiest, longest
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life you possibly can.
Thank you, lady.
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Hi my name is.
Jeff Duray and I'm.
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Co-owner of Plug and Hound Pet
Apothecary holistically minded
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pet store in Geneva, IL and what
holistic means to me is.
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Whole food, very simple.
Whole food was the way to go, so
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start there and everything else
will fall in.
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Line Hi I am Maria Ringo I'm the
co-owner of Carnivore.
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Carnivore is a wonderful pet
food for dogs and cats.
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What does holistic mean to me?
When I think of the word
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holistic, I think of how it is.
It's so overused now on anything
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and everything.
But honestly, what holistic is,
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is a basic, a basic being simple
and natural and complete in the
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body.
I wonder if that makes any
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sense.
But that's what I think of when
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I think of holistic.
It's so overused and it's such a
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commercialized word now that
when I think of holistic, I
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think, oh, these people that
don't tell the truth on their
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packaging.
But what it really is is a
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consideration of the wholeness
and the oneness of everything.
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And that's not so easy to
explain, but if you get it, you
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get it.
It's a respect for the whole.
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So.
We pull it all together when we
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are being holistic, when we are
thinking of something
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holistically, we're trying to
pull it all together, Consider
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all the parts, all the corners.
That's what it actually means to
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me.
Hi, my name is Billy Hookman.
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I am the Vice President of
Nutrition and Communication for
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Green Juju and holistic to me is
finding the baseline of health
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before you potentially need
supplementation or medication.
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So we should be able to find a
good health baseline with food
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based items.
And then if you we need medicine
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or we need supplements later,
then we move in that direction.
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But I don't think you can find
that baseline or start to
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improve health until you start
with food and then move to that
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eventually so.
Hi I'm Janine from project.
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Studs and what does?
Holistic mean.
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To me, when I think of holistic,
I think of more about a whole
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body meant of holistic instead
of just about what we eat.
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And I'm very particular about
what I eat, what I keep my
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dough, but I also think about
the environment and what we put
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on our bodies and what we clean
our house with.
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To me, it's all-encompassing
about not only our food, but
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everything we use.
Hi, I'm Alyssa from 4 Legger and
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I've been asked to give what the
word holistic means to me.
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And I would say my answer comes
from a background in
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occupational therapy where we're
a very holistic oriented
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therapeutic rehab part of the
the therapy areas for humans.
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And so to me, holistic means
that you consider the entire
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being and that you can't just
separate out, for instance, with
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people, their work life from
their self-care life from their
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leisure life.
It's all part of who they are.
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And if one has a breakdown, then
they all have a breakdown either
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indirectly or possibly directly
too.
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So with our animals, the same is
true, so that if a dog has a gut
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problem, then they probably have
a skin problem too.
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And it's important to try to get
both of them resolved so that
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your your dog is as healthy as
they can be as a complete being,
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not just as a part of whatever
happens to be sick with them at
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the time.
So very important to make that
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distinction because between our
animals, just because I think
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we've gotten too much focused on
treating symptoms and not really
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focusing on what the entire
problem is and trying to address
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it from the underlying factor
that's causing it in the first
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place.
So there's my answer to holistic
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and I hope that's helpful.
Thanks.
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Hi, I'm Doctor Chris Bessent.
I've been a veterinarian for
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gosh, 37 years now.
I've treated 10s of thousands of
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veterinary patients and the
question for me is what does
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holistic mean to me?
Holistic means to me at its at
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its root is looking at the whole
animal and that everything is
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interconnected.
So if you have a particular
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issue, should you be changing
their food?
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Should you be adding herbs?
Should you be talking about
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lifestyle?
Should you be, you know,
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changing something in their life
that's predisposing them to
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whatever's going on with them?
And so a holistic approach is
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looking at the whole animal and
understanding how things are all
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interrelated.
And one thing fixing one, just
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fixing the problem might not be
the root of it that you need to
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fix the problem, but you also
need to fix the reason why that
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problem would occur.
And that makes it much more
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expansive, much more detailed
than just the idea that holistic
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is good and that holistic is
high quality kind of nuance or
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New Agey.
It's it's not about that at all.
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It's really about looking at the
entire system.
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My name is Christopher Fox.
I am a holistic bed tech.
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I own pocket hound pet
apothecary and holistic to me
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means addressing the whole
animal and looking at things as
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a whole.
So instead of looking at, you
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know, one body system or the
other, holistic to me is looking
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at the animal from from a larger
frame of view and addressing
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everything as a whole.
Hi, I'm Doctor Odette Souter,
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I'm a holistic veterinarian and
I was asked to answer the
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question what holistic means to
me, holistic, basically the word
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itself means whole, means
everything.
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So to me, holistic is really
using everything that we have
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available.
Obviously as much as possible,
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more natural things would be
ideal, but it doesn't really
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exclude conventional medicine,
conventional tools, because they
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are part of that too.
And sometimes animals do need
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that for their quality of life.
Basically knowing that they're
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in a lot of pain or if they need
surgery or whatever they need,
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sometimes we need to use that.
So holistic does not exclude
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conventional medicine in my, in
my view, but certainly holistic
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also to me means really
addressing the root cause, the
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foundation of things, and not
just taking the 1 pill for an
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I'll and converting that to 1
supplement for an I'll approach
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because that's the same
thinking.
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So holistic also means thinking
in a way where you're basically
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looking at the body and how you
can improve the function because
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anytime there's a, a symptom, it
means something is not
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functioning quite the way it
should.
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And so restoring that function
then takes care of the, of the,
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the symptoms.
So for me, holistic is really
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figuring out and asking the
right questions.
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So what's happening first?
Why is it happening?
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And then we can ask how do we
fix it?
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So holistic is really about
it's, it's a bit of a mindset,
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it's a bit of a approach to
really understand what's going
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on that is causing the symptoms
because symptoms are really just
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kind of the body's, you know,
red light that comes on like in
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your car, you know, your check
engine light.
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So it's not, there's nothing
wrong with the check engine
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light, right?
You have to figure out what's
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going on or what's wrong
underneath.
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So that's basically what
holistic medicine means to me,
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is to really figure out what is
going on, why is it happening,
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and then ask how we can fix it.
I am the owner of Green Juju.
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And to me, holistic means the
whole picture of health.
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So it means what we're eating,
the stress in their environment,
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the toxins in their environment,
what materials we have around, a
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lot of things about the
environment.
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And it means when something goes
wrong, not looking at treating
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the symptoms, but treating the
root.
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And where did that come from and
how can we fix that from all the
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different angles?
Hi Susan Recker with Animal Diet
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Formulator.
And what holistic means to me
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is, is taking into account all
of the.
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Factors and.
Using all of the tools that are
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available.
And that's going to be a
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different approach for every
patient because every.
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Patient has different.
Needs and different
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circumstances.
So holistic to me means
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maintaining an open mind and
being open to learning and
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trying new things and evaluating
the patient in front of me with
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all its own special
circumstances.
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And not just the patient, but
the the pet Nur that comes along
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with that patient because that's
a big part of the picture as
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well.
Hi, I'm Jay.
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I'm Jay.
And together we are.
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We also don't trigger all the
time.
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Don't say that.
OK, this is she can edit.
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She can edit.
You'll edit, right?
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What does holistic mean to us?
I think.
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Holistic with like WH holistic.
Holistic means looking at
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everything from.
A bigger.
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Perspective.
Inside out, yeah, right.
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Like so, so holistic is like a
unfortunately, it's like a, like
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a buzzword, right?
Like it's, it's something that
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like people think is Boo Boo,
but it's actually like, how
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about we look at the entire
animal?
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How about we look at their
environment, their their food,
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health, their diet, everything.
How?
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About we look at all of this and
we put it together and that is
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what we treat.
That's the whole.
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That's what we address.
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Holistic.
Big picture.
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So yeah, everybody, everybody,
kind of almost everybody had a
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very similar idea, a very
similar thread through
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everything.
For me, holistic means taking
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into account the whole being,
but not just the whole being,
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the whole of life.
So the environment, energy, the
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whole of the planet.
So we can actually take into
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account, you know, that cattle,
that beef that we're feeding or
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that duck that we're feeding or
whatever it is.
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How was it raised as well?
That matters so much because of
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the impact that we have on the
planet, but not all, not just
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the impact that we have on the
planet, but also that life force
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that we are feeding our pets,
that we are feeding ourselves,
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right.
When we think about us and, and
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being more holistic and the
energy of that, not just like
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temperature or Chinese medicine
energy, but like the energy
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energy, the vibrational energy
that we are putting in our
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bodies, that we're putting in
our pets bodies.
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And so the whole looking at the
whole WHOLE, that's what
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holistic means to me.
One of the things that Jessica,
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who is the practice manager at
Integrative Vet Care, which is
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Doctor Katie Kangas's practice,
said to me was it would be
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really cool if you could get to
some of these people that we
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don't normally talk to Purina,
Hills, whoever, and ask them
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what they think holistic means.
And I found that to be so
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interesting.
I didn't have time to do that at
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Super Zoo this year.
I just literally the show, show
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ends and you're not allowed to
be on the floor anymore.
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But I what I did find online, I
couldn't find Hills having
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anything about holistic in a in
a Google search, but I did find
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Purina
purina.com/articles/dog/health/nutritionslash/holistic
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versus natural dog food.
So this is a blog that they have
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and it says the terms natural
and holistic get used a lot in
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both the human and pet food
industries.
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Most people how however, aren't
familiar with the difference
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differences between holistic and
natural dog food.
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So they're kind of saying that
these terms which are not very
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clearly defined, if you go back
to a an episode that I did not
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too terribly long ago with
Isabel, we did some weekly pet
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roundups on some of the
misleading claims and pet food
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and what is actually defined and
what is not and holistic and
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natural or not or not, but
they're not regulated equally.
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So natural is defined as
existing in or caused by nature,
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not made or caused by humankind.
Therefore, a natural dog food
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implies that the products within
are derived from nature and not
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manufactured by humans.
However, USDA, I'm sorry, the
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Food and Drug Administration,
the FDA does not have a legal
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definition for natural human or
pet products.
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However, AFCO does have a more
specific definition as it
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relates to pet food.
A feed or ingredient derives
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solely from plant, animal or
mind sources, either in its
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unprocessed state or having been
subject to physical processing,
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heat processing, rendering,
purification, extraction,
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hydrolysis, enzyme molysis, or
fermentation, but not having
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been produced or subjected to a
chemically synthetic process,
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and not containing containing
any additives or processing aids
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that are chemically synthetic,
except in amounts as might occur
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unavoidably in good
manufacturing practices.
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So per Apco's guidelines,
according to this Purina blog,
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natural dog food products can
include in synthetic sources or
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essential amino acids, vitamins
or minerals.
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That's not how I would want it
to be.
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But that is unfortunately kind
of how pet food is.
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It's it's kind of up for how do
you understand it?
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And a company as big as Purina
is absolutely going to get away
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with whatever they want.
What is holistic dog food?
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Again, according to this Purina
blog, holistic is defined
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generally as characterized by
comprehensive comprehension of
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the parts of something as
intimately interconnected and
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explicably.
Let me start that over.
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My goodness.
Holistic is defined generally as
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quote characterized by
comprehension of the parts of
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something as intimately
interconnected and explicable
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only by reference to the whole.
End Quote.
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Oh boy, that's a legalese way of
saying.
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Looking at the whole, the
medical definition is quote,
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characterized by the treatment
of the whole person, taking into
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account mental and social
factors rather than just the
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symptom of a disease.
Not too shabby.
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Purina a holistic Continuing on
the blog, holistic sounds like a
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good thing, but it's meaningless
when it comes to dog food.
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There's no legal definition for
holistic dog food.
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It's also not regulated by the
FDA, AFCO, or the USDA, which
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regulates organic products.
In the pet food industry,
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holistic is a marketing term
used to imply whole body health.
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Since there's no legal
definition of the term, it's
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used freely without any
regulation or oversight.
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If a dog food label claims it's
both natural and holistic, only
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the word natural has any
meaning.
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So you know, it's it's a pretty
short blog that Purina has out,
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but I actually like the content
that's in it.
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They're just giving the facts
though.
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They are saying that natural can
have as much synthetics as they
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want to put in it, but that
actually is true based on the
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AFCO definition that it can at
at.
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So AFCO says is if it's
unavoidable in good
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manufacturing practices.
So Purina can take that and say,
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well, these are our good
manufacturing practices.
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So AFCO kind of leaves it open,
and that's kind of the point to
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let these manufacturers do what
they want.
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Otherwise, I think it's a pretty
decent blog, I think.
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Well, I think it's a good blog
anyway, because peering is
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saying, look, this is how we
interpret it, and so this is
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what we're doing.
So they're being at least
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transparent about it, but I did
want to include that because it
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was about all I could find
online for some of these big pet
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food manufacturers and talking
about holistic in general.
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And I wanted to kind of just put
that out there to you guys.
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So I hope this was helpful and I
kind of hope more than anything
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above and beyond anything else
we talked about, one of the
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things that I'm just so
passionate about asking people
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to consider is that, you know,
when we when we ask for natural,
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when we ask for holistic, when
we are going back to the earth
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and saying, I am bringing myself
or my pet back to you to help me
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get back into homeostasis, to be
one with the earth again and to
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use more holistic practices in
our pet parenting and maybe
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managing disease, whatever it is
we're doing, we have to get out
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of the mindset of a pill for
every I'll, we have to get out
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of the idea that, you know,
something hurts and we're going
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to take a pill and it's
immediately going to feel better
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or very quickly going to feel
better.
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Because when we are bringing the
body back into homeostasis and
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we are trying to reconnect with
how our body should naturally
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work with the earth, it takes
time.
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And we just have to get out of
that mindset that that that
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pharmacological, just take
something.
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This is going to be quick and
easy mindset because that's just
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not the way it is with natural
stuff.
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Now, if we start proactively
with natural stuff, then yeah,
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it can be great.
But when we're already in a
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disease process, it can be kind
of difficult and take time and
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take trial and error.
But at the end, it is so, so
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worth it.
And then again, we can use
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things integratively as needed
to help us get through things
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that are really, really tough.
So if you have questions about
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that, if you're dealing with
something with your pet and
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you're like, I don't know what
to do anymore or, or maybe
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you're not there think and that
would be amazing and you just
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want to start being more
proactive, naturally reach out
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to me because I absolutely still
do one-on-one consultations.
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I am in the process of building
a a new website for all of that.
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So you know, I I'm going to
absolutely update you when I
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have that new website ready.
But in the meantime, you can
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still go to jessicalfisher.com.
Check the show notes, it's all
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there.
And again, I want to say thank
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you to Legacy Biome for being a
partner for this podcast, and
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thank you guys so much for being
here.
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Until next week, give your pets
some extra love for me.