214. Fear-Free, Force-Free Dog Training | Build Confidence, Not Compliance

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Welcome back, pet parent.
I am excited for today's

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episode.
I don't bring dog training and

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dog behavior to you guys very
often because I am so very

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particular about who I bring on
in talking about these topics.

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Isabel and I talk about it
fairly regularly on the weekly

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pet roundup, but that's just us
talking.

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But actually, like bringing
experts on is something that I

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have been so hesitant about.
I know I've talked to you about

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this in the past where like, I'm
just really, really hesitant

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about this because I want to
make sure that I'm bringing

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people to you that I actually
like believe in their message

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and what they're teaching.
So today's guest is one of those

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rare exceptions.
Her name is Adea Washington.

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She's known as the canines
consultant.

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She is actually a canine trauma
behavior expert and educator.

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She specializes in guardian
based behavior work.

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And I got to talk to her a
little bit like pre recording

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just to kind of make sure like
we were on the same page.

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And so I'm really excited to
talk to you.

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And first of all, welcome idea.
Thank you.

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I'm very excited to be here.
I appreciate the opportunity.

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I'm great.
Yeah, well, you know, we

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actually right before recording
this because I record and it

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takes a while for episodes to
actually launch.

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But right before recording this,
my friend Isabel and I did an

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episode of the Weekly Pet
Roundup where we talked about a

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Texas A&M study.
They actually looked at over

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43,000 dogs in the Dog Aging
project just in the United

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States and that 99% of them had
some sort of behavioral issue.

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I mean, that's.
Insane but like.

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Really.
We can feel that right?

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Yeah, some of that I do believe
and I can't say that I am

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completely guilt free in this,
but I try very hard to be.

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I think a lot of this is like so
many of us are

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anthropomorphizing our animals
at this point, and we definitely

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use them as like therapy animals
when maybe they're not trained

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to be therapy.
Yeah, yes.

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But there are also pretty severe
behavior issues out there as

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well.
So I'd just love to start off by

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learning a little bit about you
and the history of what you do

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and how you got into this kind
of specialty area.

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Absolutely.
I think like most of us, we

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wanted to help with the obedient
dog.

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My story is obedient dog LED
into a lot of helping rescues

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and shelters and that's where
things for me became alarming,

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mishandling, over handling,
misunderstanding.

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It also was very worrisome to
see there wasn't many people or

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professionals that specialized
in behavior, AKA behavior

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modification.
When we looked at behavior

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modification or through that
lens, it was more of I need to

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modify the behavior of your dog
pulling or barking at other dogs

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or you know, growling.
But it really wasn't centered

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around how did they get there?
What part of the story or the

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story part of the story that we
know are that we were a part of

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that led them to be in this
position to where they feel

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unsafe and needs being a met.
And so after many, many years in

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rescue, also running my own
rescue for many years, only

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taking code red cases, getting
that call that we're going to

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euthanize if you don't pick up.
So that is what really made me

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pivot into helping guardians to
truly understand what they're

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seeing, helping shelter
professionals and rescue

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founders and volunteers
understand what they're hearing,

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what they're witnessing and not
always saying the dog bit

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they're aggressive.
The question must be, why did

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the dog bite?
And so I was given a dub, the

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title in my area, oh, she's the
bite rehabilitation specialist.

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Only go to her if the dog has
bitten someone because I didn't

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write them off.
It was that didn't matter if the

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bite was to a kid, a parent,
another dog.

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There's always a reason.
Jessica.

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So in a nutshell, so I don't
ramble, I really fell into the

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trauma because I wanted to.
It was, it was very interesting

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to me to see how they got here.
And my first career was centered

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around human behavior.
And I just kind of shifted that

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into dogs because our brains are
very similar, you know?

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And so dogs, they're just, I've
had one all my life.

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They're just my thing.
But they do so much for me.

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And I feel I'd do so much for
them.

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And I just wanted to really step
outside of the norm of what we

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see every day.
And I'm pretty sure you can

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understand this.
There's dog trainers on every

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block.
Yeah.

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I wanted to be the one to help
build a relationship or rebuild

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the relationship and get people
to truly understand what they're

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witnessing and asking the why
behind behavior and not the how

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we fix it.
So yeah, that is just untapped

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with so much untapped potential
in dogs and that's what really

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pushed me into the this area of
expertise.

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Wow.
Yeah, I mean, there's so much

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truth to that.
You know, I talk about that all

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the time with health.
Like what is the root cause?

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And absolutely behavior falls
into that as well.

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I know, just on a personal note,
like, you know, I'm, I've been

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trying to do my own work on
myself, right?

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And like trying to figure out
like I can understand where

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these things came from and why
I'm doing them.

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And it it is helpful to be able
to see that and like make

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adjustments once you actually
know.

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Unfortunately for a lot of dogs,
but you know, rescue dogs,

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shelter dogs, we don't always
know the why, but we can kind of

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piece together sometimes what
that why could be Speaking of by

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cases, because we actually,
interestingly enough, Isabel and

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I, before we did the Texas A&M
study the week before, we only

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talked about fighting and dogs
fighting.

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And I think I'm I'm more the
like health person and she's

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more the behavior person as far
as like topics that we're

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interested in talking.
So we were definitely on a what

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is Isabel want to talk about
kick.

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But that's OK because you know
exactly what you said.

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There is always a reason why a
dog is biting.

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We talked a lot about the fact
that we, we have put dogs into,

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we force them into our world and
we expect them to behave in

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certain ways that align with how
we and, and this can be vastly

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different because whereas one
person allows their dog on the

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couch in the bed, the person
living right next door might

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not, right?
So this can be vastly different

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and we don't give them the tools
to understand what it is that we

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actually want out of them.
We're really quick to say no,

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but we don't actually model or
show them the behavior we are

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looking for.
And I think that comes through

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is it in very extreme ways when
when dogs bite, which is a very

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natural thing for them to do it.
Is and it's one of their three

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forms of communication.
All they have is the bark, the

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body language, followed by the
bike and most guardians or as

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most people know it, dog moms,
dads, pet parents, owners.

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I'm firm on guardian because
guardian equals leadership.

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Leadership equals connection.
And that's how we we create a

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more understanding,
cohabitating, compromising

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situation.
And you know, what I'm coming to

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find is that a lot of
suppression is happening.

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And so you want to take away
don't growl, don't curl your

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lip, don't bark, don't show your
teeth.

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So all they have left is to
communicate with you by nipping

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or air snapping or you know, and
then, oh, they're aggressive.

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No dog is born or bred
aggressive.

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Aggression is the last thing
before they're going off the

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boat over the ledge.
You they're about to bomb the

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city because you have not
listened to everything before

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that or you told them to stop
doing it.

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And that is why I've even had to
tell some families as a result

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of the situation, your key
doesn't fit his or her locks, so

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I'll take them.
And I've rehomed the dog.

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And that's probably one of the
most challenging parts of my

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work is when you have a family
come in this emotionally

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attached and you have to say,
hey, look this high, Dr.

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Malinois cannot sit in a kennel
for 12 hours because you have to

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work.
And then you come home and give

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a 2 mailbox, walk, feed them and
then back in the kennel or sit

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down.
And then everything they do is a

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no or a stop.
You're pushing them into

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suppression and then they are
mouthy anyway.

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And then they go to nip or
they're nipping at the kids or,

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and then they're this is all
they can give them.

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And that's OK.
But your key doesn't fit their

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lock.
And so I've gotten blowback.

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You want to take my dog, if
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it.
I want to give your dog in a

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better life than what you can.
That's OK.

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It's just not fitting for you.
So I think for me, that's

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probably one of the most
challenging parts that I have to

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say that some professionals are
scared to say it.

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And I'm, I'm pretty much a
disruptor and I get it.

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I'm a disruptor in my, my little
neck of the woods because I, my

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priority is the canine.
My first priority is the canine.

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The guardian is secondary to me
when most people and most

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professionals, the guardian is
first, the canine the secondary.

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And so, yeah, but I'm, I'm right
there with you.

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I just, I feel that if we can
kind of watch and listen more

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and stop asking for so much less
is more with words, we will

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yield a better result.
And just figuring out how we can

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rewild our dogs, how can we meet
their needs?

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You know, taking them to just an
open patch of grass sometime

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instead of walking in a
neighborhood will make a world

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of difference.
And a dog with a behavior

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influence of something that's
influencing the behavior.

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So what are some of the things
that you almost always go into a

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home and adjust?
For me, I must say, and this is

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unfortunate, dogs snapping at
their owners, they can't handle

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them.
I can't touch them.

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I can't put a collar on.
You know, they're biting at the

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leash once I get it on.
You know, resource guarding is a

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big one.
You know, not understanding,

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giving space.
And if they growl doesn't mean

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you keep going forward to show
your alpha you know and so.

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But my number one is dogs biting
at some member of the family.

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Wow, wow.
It's very stead.

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It is sad.
It is.

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I mean, and I was thinking as
you were talking about it, like

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it it, it's not as serious
obviously because a dog biting a

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person is there can be legal
ramifications.

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For that right, Yes.
But it, it reminded me a lot

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because I mean, with just with
potty training, like there's so

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much suppression that goes on.
We're telling them no, no, no,

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we're never showing them what's
appropriate.

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And so I think that it's like
this common thread through

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everything we're doing.
With our dogs, yeah.

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That we're suppressing.
Yeah, it's a wake up call is

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needed.
The modern dog is different.

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You know, I'm used to the times
that I had my German shepherds

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just outside, no fence, we walk
with no leashes was hardly any

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vet visits, which just existed,
you know, And so I, I feel like

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we are, so we are positioned now
as what we call dog parents or

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dog owners to buy in.
Like we buy into everything we

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see.
You're supposed to get this.

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You're supposed to get that.
When I talk to people and say,

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Oh, no, we don't require that
vaccine here.

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They're like, what?
You don't require spaying and

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neutering either.
What?

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You know, I'm like, no, we
accept titers.

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We prefer for you not to get the
vaccines.

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You know, they feed raw.
We can feed them their lunch

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here.
Yeah.

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You know, so it's we are just
buying into so much fluff.

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Everything we see, we're like,
this is what I'm supposed to be

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doing.
But I just feel I don't want to

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be that person, Jessica, that
that reflects, oh, my dog is my

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child.
I feel I have a leadership

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relationship with my canines who
are like family, but I don't I

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don't I take the time to
research things about them like

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I would mine or my children now
adults or my grandchildren.

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You know, I'm going to ask
questions.

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I'm not going to just take it
for what it's worth and what is

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perceived as.
And I think that's where we

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really are getting lost.
We look and we look at that

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cookie cutter model.
Well, I went to YouTube and it

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said, do this, but have you
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you and listen to what he or she
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another thing that I see is,

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well, I tried this and did this
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I'm like, well, that doesn't, it
doesn't slow with every dog.

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You have to really understand
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Bridge.
You can't train him like you

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train, you know, your other dog.
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of unfortunately, what we're
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as my entire business model, not
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of conflicted guardians.
They're unknowingly and

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unwillingly inflicting trauma on
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the extent of changing my entire
business model that I've built

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in this area for almost 14 years
to saying no more, enough is

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enough.
We don't train dogs anymore.

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You know, it lost US 60% of our

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clients.
We're filling it, but we will

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rebuild.
But we are looking for the

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emotionally intelligent
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that want to understand how to

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meet the needs in a world
centered around crisis and dogs,

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because it's a crisis.
It is.

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So, you know, you've mentioned a
couple of times and I know my

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listeners understand that I am
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positive reinforcement training.
There are definitely people,

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people that I know and respect
in my world in like the healthy

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pet world, who I feel like have
kind of, I'm going to use my

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quote fingers kind of fallen for
this whole like balanced

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training thing that's come up in
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I think for a lot of us, it's
easy to look at, you know, fear

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and pain based training and and
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I definitely have had people,
clients even who, you know, they

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they didn't know what they were
getting into and then they, you

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know, they go and they've
already paid and they're

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uncomfortable, but they're like,
well, this is the professional.

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They know what they're doing and
then they wind up really harming

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their dogs with prong collars
and choke collars and electric

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collars and you know, alpha
rolls and, and like they really

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harm their dog and they even
they come away with it like

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physically in pain from the
emotional pain that they just

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caused their animal.
But they're like, this is what I

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paid for.
So this is what I thought I was

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supposed to do.
So like how you know, being an

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educator as well, like how are
you out here trying to show

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people that this is you
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and I think this is harder for
us to try to combat because they

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have a pretty good message like
the word balance, right?

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People are like, Oh well, it's
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Yes, yes, I have found balance
training to be it is what it is,

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a cop out.
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I feel it's a cop out.
I feel that it was the

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professionals who want the quick
fix who are not truly equipped

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or experienced or come to find
that they have shortcomings and

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what they thought they could do,
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And so they're moving over to
something with force, pain or

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fear.
I tried the clicker, I tried the

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food.
It didn't work.

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Now we use the E caller or now
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And so for me over the last five
years that we want to speak to

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say statistically for my
business, 40% of our business or

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more as retrains as we call it.
And those are families that come

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from the board and train
experience or the aversive

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method experience, including
balance training.

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And as you stated, it really
hurts my heart when someone can

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say I didn't know, you know,
and, and that's where you and I

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are just more, again,
emotionally intelligent.

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We're looking at our dog and
saying something is not right.

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I don't give a crap what he or
she is saying, but something's

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not right.
And I've had people say that I

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went one day to a class with an
E collar and I left, you know,

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so I, I feel like what's
happening with balance training

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is they are, they're, they are
really, it's like they're

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tapping into people who are
really emotionally tapped out or

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they've tried it all or they've
tried nothing.

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But we're living in a world that
everyone needs to work.

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And I don't have time to train
the dog.

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They have a really strong
message.

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Their marketing is amazing, the
perfect dog guarantee and people

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don't.
They want the convenience

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training as I call it.
They want the drive through.

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I drop dog off at window one and
pay and I picked my order up at

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window 2, but never looking in
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You're leaving your canine with
a person you don't know, you

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don't know where they're going,
you don't know what they've been

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doing.
But as long as you get the dog

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in the remote and you're able to
open and close that door like a

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garage, they're able to do
everything you want them to do.

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I think that that's the problem
we're facing.

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But they're they are praying on
people that are at their wit's

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end.
They are also, you know, trying

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to really pick and choose my
words here.

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The industry is also really
taking advantage of people that

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need help and don't know how to
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And you know where I am in
Northern Virginia, it is heavily

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saturated.
It is very few and far between.

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You find a so-called
professional that doesn't use

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the E caller or that's not a
balanced trainer or you don't

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really find the truthfully Lima.
I don't even you know, the Lima

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method, which we used to use a
lot or you really found positive

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only relationship based trainer
some and it's unfortunate you

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know that that's a a time for a
whole another topic.

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But balance training is
unbelievable to me.

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There's no such thing as balance
when you're inflicting pain,

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force or fear, you.
Either you're doing it or you're

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not.
Yeah, yeah, I I agree.

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Like I said, I know, I know
people who have fallen for it

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and even some people who are
like, well, it works.

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It worked for me and it worked
for my dog and I just, I don't

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know, at the end of the day,
I've just like you said, seen so

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many dogs down the line where
it's like they, they need so

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much more support because of
things that were done to them.

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I even a number of years ago had
a friend who sent her dog off to

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a board and train and actually
just told somebody, no Saturday

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2 days ago they were talking to
me about a friend's dog and I

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was like no, they're like
they're about to take their dog

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to this board and train and I'm
like no, please tell them I

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don't care what they've done.
I don't care where they paid.

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Get their money back.
Stop.

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Don't do it.
Because exactly what you said,

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even the most well-intentioned
dog trainer you are giving,

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you're giving your dog for me.
It's like a member of your

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family.
Over to somebody you don't know

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you have no idea what's going to
be happening to your dog in this

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period of time that that they're
there and I so I had a friend

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who had a dog who was rescued
from a dog fighting situation

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and so she felt like she had to
do this board and train because

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she didn't know what else to do
right because these dogs you

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just don't know when you're
getting a dog from a from a dog

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fighting operation and it got to
the point where like she got the

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dog bit her and she knew she was
like I I did this to him

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because.
I trust you.

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Exactly.
And she had, she had to put him

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down because she was at that
point, she was just so scared of

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him, you know what I mean?
It was really.

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And it was like his third bite.
So it's not like she could have.

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Yeah.
Anyway, it was really, really

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sad.
And it completely broke my heart

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because I was there.
I was there.

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Like he tried to bite me too,
but I was.

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Scared of people I.
Knew enough.

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Yeah, I knew enough to like get
him away from me and and I was

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making noise to distract him.
Anyway.

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We were able to get him in a
back bedroom, but it was she she

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told that was the first time she
told me she was like, I know I

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did this to him because I sent
him to a board and train and I

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didn't know that about him prior
to this incident.

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And I'm like, granted, that may
not be everybody's experience,

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but I feel like anybody that has
sent their dog away to a board

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and train the the the very
minimum, you're gonna feel like

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at some point, what was the
point?

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Why did I waste my money?
Because this dog isn't trained.

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Because.
You, as the person in charge,

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their guardian, didn't learn
those techniques.

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To use with your dogs makes no
sense.

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It just makes no sense and I
feel like I didn't answer your

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question entirely before when
you said what am I doing on my

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end to educate more.
I do.

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We do our yearly event sometimes
twice a year where we offer

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complimentary training.
If they they give us, they turn

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in their prongs, they turn in
their shot collars.

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I mean as you just mentioned, I
know people that will say I'm

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sending my dog here or clients
will say my friend is sending

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their dogs here.
I will say tell your friends who

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call us and we will train their
dog for free.

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Wow.
And you know the thing we they

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still don't call because you're
looking for the convenience.

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I'll say, hey, Jessica, well,
you're about to spend 4 grand

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for two weeks. 4 grand with us
is five months of training.

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You're learning and growing
through stages of life with your

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dog.
And you're allowing that rescue

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some time to get to know you and
you to know him.

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Wouldn't you prefer that we're
training a real life scenario?

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Neutrality in public spaces,
confidence building connection,

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your home outside our facility,
meeting other dogs, the right

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dogs.
They will some people will still

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choose a board and train and
that is sad.

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But we do our best to hold
workshops.

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We, I have something called K9
conversations that I host as of

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now quarterly, but I would like
to do it more frequently when I

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have more time to where
guardians just come in.

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We called it like a A or NA for
pet parents.

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We're all sitting in this big
circle, you know what I mean?

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And it's no judgment.
We ask all the questions, the

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things that they're unsure they
may feel it silly to ask.

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You know, we have those ones
that may have tried everything

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and there's no intention behind
saying, hey, work with us.

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That's not the goal.
We just want you to know you

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have a supportive group that can
that we hear you.

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We see you were pretty much
holding space for people.

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They feel like they don't know
what else to do before they get

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to that point.
Like I want to euthanize, euthan

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the euthanasia stories.
I, I have too many to tell.

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You know, some dogs were put
down because they were just too

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busy, just too hyperactive, you
know, and that's what deterred

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my vet career because I was not
going to just put down healthy

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dogs to earn a euthanasia card.
I just, and that's why I said,

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OK, I'll do behavior.
You guys can have that.

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So I do my best like yourself to
consult nutrition, proper

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nutrition, raw feeding, you
know, like a small batch

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supplements from good companies,
you know, just health aids to

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increase the lifespan.
But yet we do our best and it

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and it's a shame that some
people still would rather not

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take a beat and say, you know
what, let me go actually just

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learn something because of the
misconception they're mine.

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It's just a dog and that it
just, it breaks my heart.

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And that's what led me from so
much hands on now stepping into

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a new chapter of my life and
doing more education, you know,

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and I'm very confused.
Like social media, I don't know

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how to do it, you know what I
mean?

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I'm like, I started this
podcast, you know, people are

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like, I'm so glad you're doing
this and we've been told you.

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And I'm like, I get that, but
I'm such a private person.

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But I have to be, I have to just
start letting go and really

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being able to show people like
what I do and it can work.

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And you're not alone and you can
do this.

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And I just feel like today's dog
parent needs support.

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Before it was you needed
training.

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00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,080
Now I feel we are on the the
realm or the era, as I call it,

447
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:35,080
the Guardian era to where more
people need support.

448
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,280
You don't need the come, sit,
watch down, stay, place break.

449
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,960
You don't need that today.
You need the connection because

450
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,760
once you build that trust and
respect, the dog will do

451
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:49,600
whatever it is that you ask.
They trust you, you know what I

452
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,680
mean?
And so that's, that's what I'm

453
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,120
aiming for.
So I know that when I talk,

454
00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:57,640
people are like, I didn't think
the dog stuff was this deep.

455
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,120
I'm like, it could be very, it'd
be very deep because as you

456
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:04,560
mentioned when you first started
this conversation, we go into

457
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,240
that emotional support animal
thing.

458
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,720
And that is something that I was
just on another show that we

459
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,640
talked about and it's like it's
overused and abused.

460
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,200
You know, you have a dog that
you brought in because you

461
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,600
thought you can fix them based
off your own flaws.

462
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,920
And you, you want to be that
fixer and you want something

463
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,960
that is a little worse off than
you.

464
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,440
And then you end up making them
emotional support for you and

465
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,000
them and then they're taking on
so much because they're feeding

466
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000
off of your regulation, your
nervous system.

467
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,880
And then they are just a mess.
They can't regulate because

468
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,880
they're Co regulating with you.
And so always tell people to

469
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,760
check yourself before you wreck
your dog.

470
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,240
Some dogs are not built for
that.

471
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,840
It's particularly those that
have sustained trauma.

472
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,960
And almost 95% of dogs have
sustained some type of trauma.

473
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,440
Whether it be the groomer, the
vet, the trainer before your

474
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:03,200
friend Rover tacked on a leash
outside you, screaming at them

475
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,680
one time, seething your teeth,
or just being in their face.

476
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,560
That's trauma.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is.

477
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,360
It really is.
I want to talk a little bit more

478
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,320
about the effects of nutrition
on behavior, but before we get

479
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,240
there I want to I'd really like
to dig a little bit deeper into

480
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:29,080
why fear and pain and force are
so detrimental to our dogs.

481
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,760
Yes.
So, you know, if many of you

482
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,240
don't know, we share something
with the canine called the

483
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,840
limbic system, you know, that's
pretty much built off emotions,

484
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,720
you know, and some people think
that they don't have them, like

485
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,960
dogs get post traumatic stress
disorder just like we do, you

486
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,120
know, So when you like you and
I, if I was to go through a

487
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:57,480
situation where fear, pain or
force affected me, which is very

488
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,280
easy for a human to go through,
the same rules apply for a dog.

489
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,040
But we just have this
misconception that goes back to

490
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,120
it's a dog.
They don't feel, they're not

491
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:12,960
sad, they experience grief, they
experience frustration.

492
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,440
The only thing that's different
between US and the dog is rest,

493
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,840
rationalization.
They don't rest.

494
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,800
They cannot rationalize
anything.

495
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,360
You know, they learn fast,
listen slow.

496
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,400
They're just zero to 60
sometimes.

497
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,720
But with us, we can rationalize,
we can pick things apart.

498
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,120
They can't.
That's the one missing piece.

499
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,840
But that limbic system, like
they take pictures with

500
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,600
everything.
So you've heard that term.

501
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,000
You're, you know, you're a
trainer.

502
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,520
It takes one time, it takes one
time for a dog to be hit by that

503
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,000
man.
And now they're, they have a

504
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,640
fear of men that that whole
thing.

505
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:52,600
So people hear me, listeners
hear me, they have emotions,

506
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,960
they have emotions.
And so when you inflict pain,

507
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:59,560
force or fear, all you're doing
is making them dig a hole for

508
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,800
themselves, away from you, away
from the situation, away from

509
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,680
the training experience, away
from domestication.

510
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,160
Because at the end of the day,
Jessica, these are captive

511
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,840
domestic animals.
We force them into our

512
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,400
lifestyle.
So I need people to understand

513
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,760
that there needs to be a healthy
compromise, like the man or

514
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,440
woman you're with or whomever
you're with.

515
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,960
There's some things you weren't
too fond of, but you

516
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,920
compromised, you know, and
there's things that you may say

517
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,040
to your canine, don't bite that.
Don't pee in here.

518
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,000
Don't poop on that, you know.
But for me, they have to say,

519
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,240
well, mom, please make sure you
meet my needs.

520
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,760
Let me go run, you know, don't
just throw the ball.

521
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,160
Let me go sniff for long periods
of time, you know, where's their

522
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,080
part?
You know?

523
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,320
So when we do nothing but
suppress and suppression, most

524
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,160
times comes from pain, force or
fear.

525
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,280
Because forceful is the way you
talk.

526
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,680
Don't do that.
Stop it now.

527
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,640
That's force.
Force doesn't always have to be

528
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,640
physical.
Fear is how you look.

529
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Don't.
You're pushing them into a

530
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,720
corner.
That's fear.

531
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,440
The pain can come two ways,
physically, mentally and

532
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,160
emotionally.
You putting hands smacking the

533
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,880
nose if people don't understand
how sensitive the snout is.

534
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,200
Yeah, yeah.
You know what I mean it really.

535
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,320
Is.
Yeah, how sensitive the throat

536
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,360
is, choking them by the collars,
leash correcting, taking them by

537
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,600
the scruff, forcing them down.
That's very different than dog

538
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,280
on dog behavior.
They know when to release and

539
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,720
let go.
They know what to hurt and what

540
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,920
not.
You know, we just think that we

541
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,120
just have to dominate, you know.
So if people would take the game

542
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,920
show host approach is that call
it, you know, you watch a game

543
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,120
show and even if your answer is
wrong, oh Jessica, that was

544
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,400
wrong, try again or you know
what I mean?

545
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,640
Or like, great job, you got it.
So if people can take that

546
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,200
approach, even if something was
done that wasn't to your liking,

547
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,760
not necessarily wrong, wasn't
wrong.

548
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:06,280
They just don't know if they can
take that approach and say, hey,

549
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,080
buddy, let's make a better
choice.

550
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,160
I use that one a lot.
We're going to make a better

551
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,640
choice.
Believe it or not, They can

552
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,120
understand that.
Like, you'll see all this social

553
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,320
media craze, all these videos
with dogs, all this pet comedy

554
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,000
or whatever they're calling it
where dogs, oh, I didn't know my

555
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,280
dog can spell shoes or walk or
car.

556
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,520
I say CAR.
They know because their brains

557
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,320
are just like us.
Now, I'm probably going to screw

558
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,560
this word up like I always do,
but I believe it's called the AG

559
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,640
mandala.
That is just that is pretty much

560
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:41,040
the place where memory is stored
for dogs.

561
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,280
And so that one time matters.
It goes through that limbic

562
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,280
system to that AG mandala.
Oh, you yelled at me.

563
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,880
I pissed myself, yelled at me so
much.

564
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,320
So now I put that in my memory
bank and dogs are resilient.

565
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,240
They do box and shelf things,
but they never forget.

566
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,280
That's why you hear that label
or that that term.

567
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,600
They're loyal to a fault.
They'll go back and want to go

568
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,240
back with the abuser again.
Look at us, Stockholm syndrome.

569
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,200
We go back to the abuser is
very, very similar.

570
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,400
And so you really have to check
yourself before you wreck your

571
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,840
dog.
If you notice dad coming in,

572
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,560
who's always pretty chill coming
in from work and Fido's cooling

573
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,840
over and his butt is wiggling
And then we know mom has a

574
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,040
stressful job.
She's always coming in on edge.

575
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,800
He goes and hides behind the
couch.

576
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,600
Why doesn't he like me?
Oh no, he's just regulating off

577
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,360
what you're going to bring in.
He's like, no, I'll wait.

578
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,440
And so in a nutshell, pain,
force, or fear does nothing but

579
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,400
push your dog into a deeper hole
of suppression and to the black

580
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,520
hole equaling shutdown.
And you probably hear it all the

581
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:51,960
time.
Oh, he's so good.

582
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,840
He doesn't, he doesn't care or
he's not scared of anything.

583
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,760
He's perfect on a leash.
He walks right at my heel.

584
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,200
You force that.
They gave up.

585
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,720
Yeah.
I don't know what else to do.

586
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,720
Yeah, I don't know if I answered
you.

587
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,160
No, no, you're good.
You're good.

588
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,880
Well, and I thought of so many
things as you were talking

589
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,120
because again, going back to the
so many people are just like, I

590
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,600
don't want my dog to XYZ and I
don't want my dog to do this.

591
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,960
I don't want my dog to do that.
And that is that is really,

592
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,160
really small thinking.
I always answer that with, OK,

593
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:29,480
what do you want them to do?
Oh.

594
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,520
My gosh.
And they're like.

595
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,240
Like they don't even know how to
answer.

596
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,040
That most of the time.
They do not, right.

597
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,480
But for me, that's where like, I
want people to start thinking in

598
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,840
a different way.
What do you want your dog to be

599
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,760
doing?
Yes, we call that the do list

600
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,280
here.
So we're like, so you get a

601
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,360
call.
Hi, I would refer to you because

602
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,000
we do get a lot of veterinary
referrals and and things of that

603
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,760
nature.
So a lot of our our clients are

604
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,400
not what you would think of
mainstream, you know, look for

605
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,560
you on Google or you know.
Sorry, that's OK Had a picture

606
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,200
fall down that's.
OK, it happens.

607
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,440
OK, it's all right.
But you know, so we you call us

608
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,760
and hey, I have, you know, Blue
here who I really want him to

609
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,239
stop, Stop, stop jumping, stop
pulling.

610
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,199
And like you said, well, what
can we help him to do better for

611
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:17,719
you?
You know, it's it's what would

612
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,800
you like to see him do, you
know?

613
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,120
And then it goes back to we'll
stop, we'll stop.

614
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,679
But I think to me, my last
episode that I just just just

615
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:31,040
went live yesterday was called
Confuse K9 Equals Chaos.

616
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,360
And so I feel there's a lot of
confliction and confusion for

617
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,560
the dog.
And so as you, you said, you

618
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,480
want forward thinking better
thinking a different way, a

619
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,480
different path forward.
You want people to think

620
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,239
positive instead of negative.
I would like to mitigate my

621
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,440
challenges.
But I do like that he does this,

622
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,760
you know, or how can we improve
upon this and always leading

623
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,920
with negativity Because if you
look, I get people that will say

624
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,800
I cannot stand my dog.
I hate, you know, excuse me, I

625
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,040
don't know if this is a he's an
asshole.

626
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,000
You know what I mean?
Like I'm like, well, they don't

627
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,040
just doesn't just happen.
But when when they were that

628
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,760
puppy that was cute and fluffy,
they can get on the couch and

629
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,880
they can jump and do what they
want.

630
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,000
And now they're 70 lbs.
And they're doing the same thing

631
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,440
that with a learned behavior,
and now they're wrong.

632
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:24,080
Yeah, yeah, that makes me think
of all the Chihuahuas.

633
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:25,680
Yeah.
Yeah, all the Chihuahuas.

634
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,040
Tell me about Chihuahuas.
Oh.

635
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,000
Gosh, OK, so absolutely, I
prefer to work with working

636
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,600
lines.
If I had a choice, I wasn't

637
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,640
doing the trauma.
So I love the German Shepherds

638
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,760
and the mouths, you know, I love
the so they just drive me.

639
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,520
I'm an active person.
I'm very there's movement in my

640
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,040
work.
We don't just sit and watch each

641
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,920
other and you know, things like
that.

642
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,200
So, but when it comes to the
Chihuahuas, I have trained many,

643
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,280
I'll staff, coach, work with
families.

644
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,680
Many of them I think they are
just very feisty and they have,

645
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,800
there's a lot of enabling.
And with them.

646
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,720
And I'll pass them over to my
other coaches.

647
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,760
I think that the parents are the
toughest part of that

648
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,000
relationship or the guardians.
And there's excuse after excuse.

649
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,320
They are the ones, if they've
come to me with trauma and

650
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,400
there's something that has
happened to that particular set.

651
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,080
Dog was the aggressor in the
situation.

652
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,920
They're just very feisty and
very spicy.

653
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,680
And I feel that the way that
they become is based off of what

654
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,640
they're allowed to do, you know,
kind of really tread lightly,

655
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,520
you know, it's but I feel it's
not their fault.

656
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,080
But for sure.
I find difficulty in working

657
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,040
with parents of smaller breeds,
specifically Chihuahuas.

658
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,760
Yeah, it is.
It is a lot of small breeds, but

659
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,160
it is like really the
Chihuahuas.

660
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Are my gosh.
When I met my late husband he

661
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,440
had a Chihuahua and it's the
only Chihuahua I've ever had

662
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,640
personally and I got to the
point where I referred to

663
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,040
chihuahuas as mini pities.
Like that?

664
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,400
Yeah.
That's what I personally call

665
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:18,640
them, yes, because if they were
the size of a large breed dog

666
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,280
they would be.
A big problem.

667
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,520
And they look in that mirror and
they just think they're this

668
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,520
huge lion.
Yeah.

669
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,560
You know, they're always
starting stuff, you know, and

670
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,320
then they can't finish it.
Or they think they can.

671
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,920
Yeah.
And I do feel like they're

672
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,880
suppressed in many ways, meaning
they're so small and so

673
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,120
manageable.
They're picked up from something

674
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,680
They're not left to problem
solve.

675
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,360
I do have one right now that,
you know, I couldn't say no

676
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,560
because it's a biter biting
everyone.

677
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,760
And so some of my work is I will
go and just sit in your house

678
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,680
and watch.
Yeah.

679
00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:01,400
But I act like I'm not here, you
know, or I'll say give me access

680
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,480
to cameras, you know, things
like this for a certain period

681
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,840
of time.
And I study, I study what I'm

682
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,360
seeing.
So that's why I say people, I'll

683
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,800
say I'm a lone wolf in my area
in this work because I am really

684
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:17,120
trying to understand from A-Z
what's going on before I can

685
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,040
give you a how we improve this.
Some of my cases are not going

686
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,160
to ever be where they want them
to be.

687
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,520
They're going to have to manage
some of the dog, these dogs for

688
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,720
the rest of their life because
it's gotten so far.

689
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,760
They've gotten so far gone, but
we got gotten them to a place of

690
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:37,280
safety, which is manageable and
enjoyment in some areas.

691
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,720
But it will never be that
relationship you thought it

692
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:42,600
would be because you've tried AB
and C before.

693
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,160
Sorry, doing the right thing.
But the Chihuahua case, it's

694
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,440
hoarding.
She's from a hoarding case.

695
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,120
Yeah.
And, and has three other

696
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,600
siblings.
And she, you know, from that

697
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,040
situation, she thinks the world
is hers.

698
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:04,080
And I am floored when I see her
go at these big dogs, like

699
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,480
hanging off their face, you
know?

700
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,080
No, just shake her off, you know
what I mean?

701
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:15,240
But Can you imagine if that was
a larger dog doing that same

702
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:17,960
thing?
So we give the Chihuahua so many

703
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,960
passes, so many passes.
Or we'll get the call.

704
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,680
The bite is happening with the
Chihuahua.

705
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,040
Just pick her up and just put
her on the other side of the

706
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,200
room.
Oh well, my son will just kick

707
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,920
her out the way or I'm just
like.

708
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,760
Oh goodness.
You have to allow them to

709
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,200
problem solve.
And the sad part is, I don't

710
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,920
know if you've noticed.
I'm a big muzzle advocate.

711
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,560
Yeah.
I think the muzzle, every canine

712
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,320
should have a relationship with
one because if not, it will be

713
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,240
forced upon your dog possibly at
some point.

714
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,920
And that's trauma.
Yeah.

715
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,720
So you want to make it a
relationship.

716
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,120
But they don't make them for the
little guys.

717
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,880
They make them look like ducks
and you know, they try to make

718
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,760
it look cute and I get that, but
they don't fit properly.

719
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,080
They're not bite proof and they
are the ones that are really

720
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,240
doing the biting.
They are.

721
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,360
My gosh, they are.
I know.

722
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,720
So I can only have like one
small breed every three months?

723
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,840
Yeah.
I can't do a lot of it.

724
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:27,480
You're so right about just
observing and like observing and

725
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,840
I would think cameras would be
better because then they have

726
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,640
the opportunity to forget that
you're.

727
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,680
Watching.
Because they, you know, people

728
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:41,760
have a tendency to tell the
story they want you to hear

729
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,280
versus the truth because they
don't want to look bad or they

730
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:51,680
don't want to perceive being
looked bad as being bad.

731
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:55,120
And when in reality, it's like,
it's just the same thing, like

732
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,280
going to the doctor.
People don't want to talk about

733
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,760
things because they're
embarrassed.

734
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,080
But it's like.
You're not going to get good

735
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,080
advice.
Yeah, you're.

736
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:08,280
Not you're not.
And I feel in my many years I've

737
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,600
learned to listen more and shut
my mouth because they give you

738
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,720
all the answers that you need
particular questions and and

739
00:41:15,720 --> 00:41:19,000
being in the industry as long as
I have and working with now

740
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,280
thousands of dogs, I know the
answer before I ask it based off

741
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,360
what I'm looking at sometimes.
And so I try to give the benefit

742
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,080
of the doubt because even before
coming in, we have a five step

743
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,520
process.
If we, you want a referral from

744
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,960
another professional, you know,
you have to put an application

745
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,880
in.
Do you have to set a phone call?

746
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,800
You have to come in for an
observation appointment and we

747
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,200
have to sit as a team to
evaluate how we can help.

748
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,720
Then you have to go through a
particular connection type of

749
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,160
training and it's, it's a whole
thing.

750
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,720
So it's not like, hey, pick a
package online, sign up and see

751
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,280
you on Monday.
That's not what we're doing.

752
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,960
And so we're very transparent
and help helping people to

753
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,360
understand a lot of what we ask
you.

754
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,600
Once we see the dog in person,
well, that's so important to us.

755
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:06,440
We know a lot of what we need to
know and then our behavior form

756
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,960
is so rigorous.
So where I need to understand,

757
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,400
is there a clean bill of health?
Is there GI issues?

758
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,040
Is your dog in pain?
When's the last time you've had

759
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200
X-rays?
People like, why don't you to

760
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,280
X-ray?
I'm like, I know you don't want

761
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,840
to go to the radiation, you
know, radiation part of things.

762
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,120
But me particularly having
German shepherds, they get their

763
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,880
hips X-ray once a year.
You know, there's just Bree

764
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,360
things that some breeds are
predisposed to.

765
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,520
And so with the little guys, I'm
like, when's the last time you

766
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,960
had the teeth checked?
You know, they're very, very at

767
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,760
risk for any type of dental
disease, you know, because you

768
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,840
can't really, because a lot of
people don't clean their teeth.

769
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,200
You got the, you know, the
luxating Patella, you know, that

770
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,480
floating knee, A lot of people
don't look at that.

771
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,920
And so I even ask people, how's
your marriage?

772
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,720
How's your relationship with
your spouse?

773
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,320
Is there a lot of fighting in
the house?

774
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,440
Are you stressed?
People look at my questionnaire

775
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,640
sometimes like wow, because all
of this is influential.

776
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,400
I used to get a, yeah, I used to
get a lot of push.

777
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,360
That's where I got the most
pushback, I think cuz I didn't,

778
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,160
I didn't do training for very
long.

779
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:15,240
I got to the point where one, I
was overwhelmed with it.

780
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,560
Like I just, I'm too empathetic.
I couldn't do it.

781
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,600
But also I know my limitations
and I'm not, I'm not out here

782
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:27,680
doing the trauma case.
I'm not doing like, but that was

783
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,160
what I got the most pushback on
was anytime when I it was, it

784
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,280
was in my intake form too.
I wanted to see your veterinary

785
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,840
records.
I wanted to know the last time

786
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,040
your dog was at the vet.
I wanted to see their blood

787
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,320
work.
I wanted to see everything that

788
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,880
was going on with this animal.
And they're like, most people

789
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,880
are like, that makes no
difference.

790
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,080
I'm hiring you to train my dog.
And I'm like, that's a world of

791
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,520
difference.
I mean, if your dog has

792
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,600
arthritis, I need to know that.
Yes, yes, yes.

793
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:02,560
You know, it's like, yeah, it's,
it's it's just really, it's

794
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,400
really unfortunate.
But yeah, it goes back to

795
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,640
learning about a lot of what
we're going to see before they

796
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,040
get there.
And so as you mentioned, I call

797
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,800
it the guilted guardian.
They feel guilty because of what

798
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,280
they haven't tried or what they
have done.

799
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,760
And they also have a fear of
missing out.

800
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,560
FOMO if you tell me something.
Oh, so when did this start,

801
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,240
Jessica?
The famous phrase is he's never

802
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,640
done it before.
Yeah.

803
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,360
Like, so he just bit someone
yesterday.

804
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,000
Yeah, he just bit someone
yesterday for no reason, you

805
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,280
know, or the second in line is
just a few weeks ago.

806
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,440
And then that's, you know, I've
been called bitchy and it's

807
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,360
fine.
I'm direct.

808
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,920
I'm like Jessica, that's not
true.

809
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,440
Yeah.
Yeah, it'll say no.

810
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,280
What?
I'm like, that's not true.

811
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,360
Just fight it out of nowhere.
Yeah, I'm like that's.

812
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,360
Not true.
Yeah.

813
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,400
I'm like, maybe you missed that.
Well, OK, there was one other

814
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,640
incident then.
I get that.

815
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,320
Well, yeah, you're right.
You know, there was.

816
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,680
I didn't.
I just really didn't think it

817
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,120
wasn't as bad as this one.
I said they never start this

818
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,000
bad.
Right.

819
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,560
So I'm right there with you.
They they do, they will either

820
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,240
feel embarrassed or guilty.
We are the safest space that you

821
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:19,200
can be and I tell people you
don't want me sitting on that

822
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,200
stand to defend your dog from
not being murdered because of

823
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,720
your misconception,
misunderstanding, or inflicting

824
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,280
trauma unknowingly or
unwillingly.

825
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,840
You don't want to get kicked out
of your home because your HOA

826
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,240
has a breed discrimination, but
you happen to move in before

827
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:36,760
they put that in place and now
your dog has got off leash and

828
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,880
went after another dog and now
he's on a chopping block because

829
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,520
of what you didn't do.
Yeah.

830
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:49,120
You know, And so it's it's the
stigma, the stigma centered

831
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:54,000
around just train my dog.
What does that mean?

832
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,400
Right.
What do you mean?

833
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,680
What do you, what do you mean
train your dog?

834
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,080
What do you need?
What do you want?

835
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,880
What do you want out of this?
We have a case now of a family

836
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,000
that's unhappy and it happens
sometimes.

837
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,600
You know, they're they're
unhappy because you adopted this

838
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,480
dog three days before you came
to us.

839
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,680
You've never had a German
shepherd before, tied to a tree

840
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:18,080
four months old, found, you
know, the skin and bones,

841
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,800
emaciated, sat in a shelter for
almost a year.

842
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,920
Then you bring him home.
You both work outside of the

843
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,360
home.
You live in a basement apartment

844
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,880
that's a shoe box.
He's super intelligent.

845
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,000
We have you bring him to our
full day program in addition to

846
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,240
some private connection coaching
that was very affordable in my

847
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:40,200
opinion.
And you ask the questions, we

848
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,120
provide the support, but you're
getting close to the end and you

849
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,840
still haven't connected because
he still doesn't know who he is

850
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,480
and you're still finding out who
he is and who you are with him

851
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,200
and you want to keep moving.
Well, we just had other

852
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,840
expectations, like more
training.

853
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,520
And I said, well, how would you
have those expectations when we

854
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,320
had no expectations here?
Yeah, we were very clear.

855
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,280
It was expectations of
connecting and unraveling.

856
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,040
He needed to unpack.
And you're expecting too much

857
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,720
from him.
No, he can't meet your friend's

858
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:09,240
dog.
Not right now.

859
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,080
You know what I mean?
He's still unpacking.

860
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,040
Now he's chasing light and
shadow.

861
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,800
Now we're getting to compulsion
disorder, you know, because

862
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,200
you're not doing anything with
him.

863
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,080
Yeah, oh, poor baby.
You know, so it's oh, it makes

864
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,840
me so sad.
It's it's unlike you, I'm not in

865
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,200
path and that's why I really had
to come up for air.

866
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,200
And I'm just trying to move on
to educating more and really

867
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,280
taking those very tough on the
ground cases that need a lot of

868
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:39,840
anchor work because that's why I
stopped my rescue two years ago.

869
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,840
And I really step in for cases
that people just will not hate.

870
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,080
Like I have a puppy now, Bluey,
just looking for a home.

871
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,400
And I just couldn't let him get
sold to a fight ring as a puppy.

872
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,560
So I get the call, you know, and
I'm like, OK, I'll take him.

873
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,440
I'll find someone.
And so he's he's amazing.

874
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,320
But you know, it's people don't
look at us sometimes and what we

875
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,400
take on like we care.
I'm in this because I care, turn

876
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,440
my passion into a purpose and I
do it because I love it and I

877
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,400
care.
But I think over the last five

878
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,480
years, I'm drained.
Yeah, yeah.

879
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,000
I'm like so many, I just see so
many hurt for no reason, so many

880
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,960
traumatized for no reason.
And we try as professionals to

881
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,400
be their voice and create a path
forward.

882
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,400
And people rather say I'll just
stop coming to you and I'll go

883
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,400
over to someone else who's just
going to train my dog because

884
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,600
they don't want to hear about
themselves.

885
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,080
Yeah, it is.
It's so much.

886
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,520
That's what I learned very, very
quickly was that dog training is

887
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,440
not about dog training and it's
about people training.

888
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,400
Yes, we push that every time.
I'm like, no, we're here for

889
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,480
you.
You'll fall in line once you

890
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,640
know what you're doing.
Yeah.

891
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,840
One of the other things I
noticed and I'm I'm it's not

892
00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,640
100%, but I did notice that
it's, it's generally the

893
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,400
husband.
It's like, where are we doing

894
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:05,520
this?
Where are we spending money on

895
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,440
this?
The dog just needs to do XYZ.

896
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,840
Oh yeah, do you?
Do you notice that too?

897
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,920
Oh, yeah.
I think you just, you need to

898
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:17,280
have a panel of us on here for
that because it it is definitely

899
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,440
the husband.
And I've had to tell a husband

900
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,400
to get out before get out, you
know, and they look at us to

901
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,560
you're going to train my dog,
you're a woman.

902
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,200
I'm like, OK, wait, we're not
going to do that.

903
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:30,760
Yeah.
You can either sit down and

904
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,280
watch me work or you can get
out, you know, but the husbands

905
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,280
are that way.
And that's why, you know, if you

906
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,960
the canines consultant is about
connecting with emotionally

907
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,680
intelligent women and it's not
gender based.

908
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,960
If you feel you want to listen
like an emotionally intelligent

909
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,880
woman, then I welcome you.
But if not, I'm not dealing with

910
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,320
your chauvinistic, you know,
comments are you're downplaying

911
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,840
what I do or why I'm doing it.
I just won't stand for it

912
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,320
anymore.
We already had to fight through

913
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,920
that in this industry as being
women in the industry.

914
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,520
And so to to just be taken
seriously.

915
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,040
This is the male dominated
field, you know, or worse, we're

916
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:11,200
too soft, female trainers are
too soft, our tones are too

917
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,960
soft.
We care too much, and that's the

918
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,520
problem.
Well, you know, I heard

919
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,280
something recently that when
somebody's screaming at you to

920
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:26,880
just talk softer and slower and
like, you're going to learn a

921
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,600
lot.
You're going to learn a lot.

922
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,680
Yes, if.
You do that, I think, and I

923
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,920
don't know, maybe that's not
always the right thing to do,

924
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,680
but like I could definitely see
how how with some people that

925
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,720
could work.
Oh, hey, look, I've been in a

926
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:42,760
lot of therapy.
Let me tell you something.

927
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,640
It has helped me.
I stay in it helps to ground me.

928
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,800
But I believe that too.
Like, I am not.

929
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,320
I come from a family of yellers,
you know, I'm from up Norton or

930
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,640
just, you know, And so for me, I
never wanted to have that in my

931
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,280
life.
I grew up around it.

932
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,640
And so even in my marriage is if
there was any disagreement, I'm

933
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,440
the one that's like, OK, no
problem.

934
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,560
You need a minute?
Yeah, sometimes it pisses him

935
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,840
off more, though.
Like that's like that's, that's

936
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,240
a you problem.
Yes, over here.

937
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,400
Like don't send that over here.
So oh, yeah.

938
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,840
But I'm, I'm right there with
you.

939
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,640
Any conflict, you know, we have,
we have to have conflict

940
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,960
resolution and business.
You're gonna you're not gonna

941
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,600
make everybody happy.
And I, I will go, I will go.

942
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,080
I will go to bat for my team,
though.

943
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,440
I have a very good team and I'm
the one that will stand up for

944
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,040
them and say, but always like
this.

945
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,280
No, Jessica, that's not what we
discussed.

946
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,720
She's doing her job.
You're not doing yours.

947
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,240
So because you're.
Always what it is too, yes. 100%

948
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:50,280
you want my guarantee?
Anytime we don't make wins or

949
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,960
hex wins or we don't have
successes, it is not the

950
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,520
professionals fault.
Take this finger and point it

951
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,160
back at yourself because you're
not doing the work.

952
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,120
Yeah, and we're big on
accountability.

953
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,880
Don't talk to me when you see
me, talk to me in between.

954
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,320
Send me things, check in.
You know, training is every day,

955
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,000
all day.
It's not just about the 5

956
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,680
minutes of commands.
Just keep doing the commands.

957
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,320
Yeah.
You know, and, and they did,

958
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,080
they have to do the work just by
how they approach the dog,

959
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:29,760
leading with consent, how you
speak, how you move, what you do

960
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,280
around them.
They watch us all day, every

961
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,880
day.
Everything we do, they watch

962
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,080
like you say, your kids, your
kids are watching you and

963
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,920
they're going to, they're going
to, how do you want to say that?

964
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,920
They're going to mimic what they
see.

965
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,720
And so your dog is your mirror.
How you feel is what they

966
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,000
project, you know?
So yeah.

967
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,920
Yeah.
Well, before I let you go, I did

968
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,560
want to touch on the role that
nutrition plays in behavior.

969
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,960
I know this so well because it
was, I started incorporating

970
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,240
nutrition from the very
beginning when I was training.

971
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:12,440
And I, I always say I, I put
myself out of a job and I was

972
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,080
thrilled to put myself out of a
job.

973
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,320
Of course, I wasn't doing the
trauma cases, but you know, just

974
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,120
the, my dog isn't listening.
I don't know how to handle my

975
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,680
dog.
I just want them to sit, stay,

976
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:22,840
not jump up, blah.
Blah blah.

977
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,040
That's the kind of.
Things I was doing, I

978
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,400
incorporated nutrition from the
very beginning and I'm, I was

979
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,640
thrilled when after the second
or third time I saw somebody,

980
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:35,680
they're like, I think we're
good.

981
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,840
I'm like, good.
I'm glad.

982
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,640
Yeah, yeah, yes.
Nutrition plays such an

983
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,240
important role.
I mean, we, we can even start.

984
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:48,680
But you know, you go up behavior
to me, any type of behavior is

985
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,040
not the enemy.
It's an invitation.

986
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,760
It's an invitation to really
investigate.

987
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,200
And so you want to be able to
open your eyes and ears and not

988
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,960
always your mouth, So what
they're experiencing.

989
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,400
And I feel like if you think
about us as humans, when we

990
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,800
don't feel good, we don't act
well.

991
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,200
When we don't feel well, we're
not happy.

992
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,000
We're not exploding with joy.
Those endorphins aren't dancing

993
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,840
around.
So in dogs, yeah, that dopamine

994
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,960
is suppressed.
They're not excited.

995
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,640
They don't want to really be
touched.

996
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,200
They're growling at you or
they're jumping, or they're

997
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,640
doing this because maybe I'm
uncomfortable right now.

998
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,880
Can you help me?
And so that plays back to let's

999
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,280
let's talk about nutrition.
I always say, OK, what are we

1000
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,240
eating?
That's part of our you know,

1001
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,760
what exactly are you eating?
What brand?

1002
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,320
How often are they a grazer,
like a free you just a free

1003
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,080
feeder?
Is it they finish?

1004
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,760
Are we or is it balanced?
You know, some people will have

1005
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,760
this misconception.
I just the kibble bag is

1006
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,000
balanced.
No, it's not.

1007
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,240
You know what I mean?
No, it's not.

1008
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,440
You know, people aren't
understanding the intolerances

1009
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,680
now, Jessica, there's so many
intolerances because of our way

1010
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:57,160
of living now we have to keep up
with the demand of having so

1011
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,240
many citizens of our country to
now when slaughter used to

1012
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:04,080
happen between three and four
years of age, now it's happening

1013
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:09,120
between 6 and 12 months of a
cow, you know, so and then or

1014
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:15,000
the chicken that they're pumping
with 67 to 77 antibiotics, you

1015
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,880
know, just to get them to plump.
And so when you think about

1016
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,120
things like that, all of that
that they're grinding down goes

1017
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,320
into your dog.
And so think about what it's

1018
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,960
doing to us.
So when I eat something, I'm

1019
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,080
like, Oh my gosh, that made me
feel horrible.

1020
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,840
You know, under not
understanding or

1021
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,640
misunderstanding that you
probably know this, especially

1022
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,640
chicken is not good for most
breeds.

1023
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,720
Now, most dogs can't tolerate
chicken.

1024
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,240
And so that's one of the first
things I ask.

1025
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,720
Is your dog eating any chicken
products or, you know, fowl or

1026
00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:50,560
anything like that?
Maybe let's consider the the

1027
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,360
seafood.
Make sure when you look at the

1028
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,040
labels, that's the first
ingredient, you know, label

1029
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,920
reading, you know, all those
different things like that.

1030
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,040
So I do a Wellness blueprint
before I start with families to

1031
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,920
really understand what are we
doing?

1032
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,600
How often table scraps if what
if they are, what are they high

1033
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,280
value treats?
Are we doing bacon, cheese spray

1034
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,600
cheese, you know, all of those
different things.

1035
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,600
Are they on a probiotic because
they need one like we do, You

1036
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,480
know, is your dog on a joint
support?

1037
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,120
Doesn't have to be anything from
the store, but there you can do

1038
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,560
AB and C.
You know, we just want to set

1039
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,480
them up for success internally
because of how they feel inside.

1040
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:24,840
It comes out through the
outside.

1041
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:27,640
I ask people to bring me a
sample of their dogs poop.

1042
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,800
They're like what?
I'm like, yeah, bring me the

1043
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,320
freshest sample that you can so
I can see the consistency, how

1044
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,640
it smells.
Your body talks to you through

1045
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,560
their stool.
All of my dogs are raw fed.

1046
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:44,880
You know, I have one that's 155
lbs, one 25105 and a ��50 and I

1047
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:49,920
see puppies that poop a bigger
pile of poo than my dogs because

1048
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,280
when they eat an unbalanced
commercial diet, they retain

1049
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,640
about 40% of that.
That's why your dog is going to

1050
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,200
the bathroom 3 or 4 times a day.
A raw fat dog, mine in

1051
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,040
particular, I can say they go
once a day, sometimes they'll go

1052
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:07,400
once every other day and it's a
small amount, it turns to white

1053
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,120
dust and it has no smell.
People are floored by that, you

1054
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,720
know.
So I think that behavior when a

1055
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:18,760
nervous system or the system in
general, specifically the GI

1056
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,280
tract, is not good.
It comes out in the way that

1057
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,160
they are dogging.
They don't want to walk long or

1058
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,480
they pace or they they chew.
It increases anxiety when they

1059
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,560
don't feel well, they're very
irritable.

1060
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,200
They're snapping, they're
growling.

1061
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:35,880
They don't want to be touched
once they get in that

1062
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,720
comfortable position and then
you call them, I just feel good

1063
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,360
for just a minute and now it's
come here and they're like, no,

1064
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,840
I just need to land his position
for just another minute.

1065
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,080
Now they're stubborn.
Now they don't listen, you know,

1066
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,720
or you want to go in, maybe
reach around to touch something

1067
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,520
or do a snout to tail.
And maybe they growled at you.

1068
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,440
My dogs growl at me.
That's a form of communication.

1069
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,960
And guess what I do?
My bad.

1070
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,360
Not right now.
It's not like it's like I don't

1071
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,400
feel like it right now, OK?
Yeah.

1072
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,600
And then if that same spot hurts
tomorrow, then we need to.

1073
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,320
We we had a problem.
Yeah, we have a problem.

1074
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,680
But another thing that people
should get in tune with, I know

1075
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,320
it's more exterior, but they
need to be doing those snout to

1076
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:20,960
tails.
You should know your bot, the

1077
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,200
dog's body.
You should know when a bump pops

1078
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,520
up or a lump or you should just
know especially right now

1079
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,800
checking for ticks.
I'm all over them all day like

1080
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,000
these ticks are so bad.
So I think snout to tell needs

1081
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:36,080
to really be more front more on
the front of the relationship

1082
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,280
too for handling and consent and
husbandry.

1083
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,520
But yeah, I mean there are some.
I have one right now.

1084
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,120
Big old pity.
So sweet.

1085
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,000
And femur was broke as a puppy
and I seen him and his gate is

1086
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,560
off and I'm like, because I'm
finishing up my osteopathy

1087
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,240
degree.
And so I'm like, this gate is

1088
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,440
really off.
Do you have you noticed that

1089
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,840
what we just called it a wobble?
I'm like, that's not a wobble.

1090
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,760
I'm like, you really need to get
in to see a specialist, not your

1091
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,720
vet.
You need to get in to see an

1092
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,760
ortho specialist and get some
X-rays.

1093
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,800
And you're wondering why he's
going after other dogs on a

1094
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,600
leash or other dogs that come
close because he's in pain and

1095
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,240
in their world.
And we go back to true behavior

1096
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,200
in science.
Any vulnerability, it puts them

1097
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,480
at risk for death or being
kicked out of a pack.

1098
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:20,880
And so when you're vulnerable,
we take you out.

1099
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:23,640
And so they don't want to show
pain.

1100
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,560
So I'd rather bark you back, get
away from me or go after you

1101
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,400
first.
And so a lot of a lot of you

1102
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,120
know, and so that he just didn't
feel good.

1103
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:34,920
So we come to find out, yeah, he
needs surgery.

1104
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,920
The knees all crushed up, you
know, and so it, it's things

1105
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,680
like that that they don't think,
oh, it's just a hop or a wobble.

1106
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,000
No, no, no.
If you see your dog like that,

1107
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:48,080
people go and see about it.
But stop going to your general

1108
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,160
vet too.
It's OK to ask for a referral.

1109
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,120
It's OK to say, I would prefer
someone that specializes in

1110
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,600
this.
You know what I mean?

1111
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,560
That's why they're there.
You know, some people like with

1112
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,560
us, they're, they don't want it,
they're embarrassed to say or

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they're scared to ask.
Advocate for your dog.

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Say, hey, I just came to you to
tell you the problem.

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I'll give you your exam fee.
I know how this goes.

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I need my referral.
Yeah, I'm a big advocate.

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01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,480
Yeah.
Yeah, I think, I think, I mean,

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first of all, I appreciate so
much you being here in your

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01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,160
time.
I think you had a great

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conversation.
That's probably a good place to

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01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:23,360
leave us.
Is.

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01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,320
Advocating for your dog?
Yeah, Regardless if we're

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01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:33,800
talking about choosing a trainer
or a veterinarian or the food

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01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,440
you're feeding, whatever it may
be, advocate for your dog.

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01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:39,560
Nobody else is going to do it
but you.

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01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,120
They're not.
They're not that.

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01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,040
That's all I ask.
You know me as a guardian

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01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,920
myself, you know you, you know,
us as professionals.

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01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:51,000
I think that's probably our
biggest plight.

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01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,800
We, we want people just to
advocate, ask questions, be OK

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01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,640
saying no.
I don't like that.

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01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,360
What is that going to do?
What's the outcome?

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01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,000
Is there someone else?
Is there something else?

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01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,280
It is OK.
It's OK.

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01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,040
Yeah.
He could save your dog in the

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01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,160
end.
Yeah.

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01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,560
It could.
It could, I mean, I mean, be

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01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,240
advocating for our children too,
but that's a whole other topic.

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01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,080
Right.
Yes.

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01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,480
I want to thank you again idea
for being here.

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01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,400
Where can people find you?
I know you you've talked about

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01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,440
your podcast and where people
find that.

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01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,560
Absolutely.
My podcast is Behavior Matters,

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01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,040
and so you can find us on
TikTok, Instagram, Facebook at

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01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,120
Behavior Matters.
We're new, new kids on the

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01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,760
block, but I would love for you
guys to take a listen.

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01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,840
If you want to find any any more
about me, learn more about who I

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01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,360
am, you can go to
thecaninesconsultant.com.

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01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,920
I'm also on TikTok under that
name, as well as Facebook.

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01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,920
Awesome.
Again, thank you so much.

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01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:55,000
And guys, make sure to check out
the show notes for links to

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01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,080
everything.
Adiya, it was just such a

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01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:01,080
pleasure to have you on.
I'm so excited for people to

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01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,080
start listening to your podcast
because you have such great

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01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,760
information so.
Thank you.

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01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:05,800
Thank you.
Yes.

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01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,440
With that guys, thank you so
much for being here.

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01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,720
Please give your pet some extra
love from me and Adiya this week

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01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:12,960
and I will talk to you next
week.