222. Bioenergetics Meets Vet Medicine: Dr Kristi Wilson on TCVM & Vaccine Choices

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What is the most underrated low
cost change that a pet parent

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could make with a really great
impact?

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I think doing less for your pet,
actually saving money on your

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vet care.
I think when people get that

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reminder in the mail, they feel
such guilt.

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Welcome to the Pet Parenting
Reset.

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I'm Jessica Fisher, a canine
nutritionist and holistic pet

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health coach.
This is your Food First, no

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supplement manufacturer podcast
for raising healthier dogs and

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cats with real science, real
talk and better choices.

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Hit, follow and let's reset.
Welcome back pet parent.

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You know, I always love having
veterinarians on, especially the

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ones that can help us understand
their journey into a more

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holistic lifestyle, into a more
holistic practice for their

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patients.
And so when Doctor Christy

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Wilson and her team reached out
to me to come on the podcast and

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I learned a little bit more
about her story, I was really

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excited to bring her on to talk
to you guys.

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For anybody who's listening, if
this is the first time you are

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listening, my name is Jessica.
I am AK-9 nutritionist and

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holistic pet health coach, and I
host this podcast that you're

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listening to right now, the Pet
Parenting Reset.

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And on this podcast, we talk
about all things holistic

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health, integrative health,
quality of life for you and your

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pets.
So I want to welcome Doctor

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Christy Wilson to the show.
Thank you so much for being here

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with us today.
Thank you for having me, glad to

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be here.
Yeah.

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So I'd like to just start a
little bit.

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I know you were going to talk
about all of it.

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You have a pretty incredible
story.

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You do have a background now in
TCDM, so we're going to talk

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about all of those things, but
I'd love to just start out.

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One of the things that I like to
ask veterinarians is, you know,

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chances are you had a very
conventional training in vet

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school.
So how did you go from that

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conventional mindset
indoctrination and to get to

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where you are now?
So I graduated from veterinary

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school in 2002 and I was a can
be I, I was a totally

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conventional, you know, trained
that.

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I went to great institution,
Texas A&M University and I did

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get a great education there.
I came out of school and

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practice in Dallas, TX for three
years and then I practiced in

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Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, PA
for 12 years.

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And really, you know, most
holistic veterinarians have a

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start in conventional practice
and, and that was true for me as

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well.
The first ten years of my

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practice were pretty
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practicing as I had been trained
and not deviating from that too

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much.
And then really what happened is

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that I had a family health
crisis.

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So I have three children and all
of my kids were born with, well,

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not really born with, but in
their very early years developed

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a lot of health concerns.
And we had, you know, I always

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prided myself on choosing the
best doctors and going to the

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best medical centers to get
advice.

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And I was following all the
advice of the practitioners that

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I was seeking out.
But unfortunately, with my

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Children's Health problems,
there wasn't.

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And there wasn't really a good
answer as far as how they would

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get over it.
So one of my kids who had a

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severe peanut allergy.
And that didn't make sense to me

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because my husband and I, when
we were kids, there weren't

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peanut allergies.
So me being a curious person,

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and then my husband is as a
landscape architect, so he has a

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lot of background in ecology.
And so he understands ecosystems

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and I understood medicine.
And, you know, it just didn't

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make a sense to us that how did
this happen?

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Like we can't just accept the
fact that our kid is allergic to

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peanuts and has to carry an
EpiPen.

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But what led to that?
Why, why is he alerted to

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peanuts?
And that was just one of the

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things that we dealt with.
All three of my kids had some

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serious health concerns and then
even our family cat had the

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same.
My cat was young and she had

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asthma and, and inflammatory
bowel disease and chronic skin

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condition.
And so she was going through

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things at the same time as we
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And I had noticed, you know, I
started working in veterinary

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medicine, cleaning kennels when
I was 14 years old and cleaning

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the vet hospital.
And, you know, I had noticed

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over my whole career, including
when I was cleaning kennels,

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that the pets had changed.
You know, there were there were

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a lot more medications for
humans and animals.

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And we never, you know,
previously had to have so many

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medications to keep, to keep
pets healthy and to keep my

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human family healthy.
So my husband and I really went

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on a pursuit of health when our
kids were little.

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And then we ended up finding
stumbling that was kind of at

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the beginning of when
smartphones were invented.

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And so we were just constantly
searching, you know, the great

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World Wide Web had just been
that it allowed us to have so

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much more access to all this
information than we ever had

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before.
And so we just couldn't stop

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trying to figure out what had
led to all these problems for

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our family.
And so we eventually found some

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really good podcast. 1 was by
Natasha Campbell Bride.

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She did a podcast about autism,
allergies and ADHD and we read

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it or we listen to it and you're
like, Oh my gosh, this is

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definitely like what where we
need to explore further.

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And so we just kept kept
searching and kept going down

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more rabbit holes and they just
kept leading to more and more

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information.
And there were no dead ends.

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You know, it was like they're
just more doors to open.

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More you learn, the more you
learn, the more that's out

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there.
And I actually changed my diet

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pretty drastically when my kids
were little.

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And, you know, I ended up being
the grand finale of our family's

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health problems.
I was diagnosed with stage 3C

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breast cancer in 2018.
And so we had already been on a

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quest for health prior to my
diagnosis.

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And you know, when I was
diagnosed, I was diagnosed with

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advanced breast cancer.
I even had cancer in my neck.

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It was kind of like a gunshot
smattering of cancer in my upper

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quadrant.
And so it was a really big deal.

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And I believe that I lived with
that breast cancer for many

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years.
And I think that because they

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have changed my diet, when I was
diagnosed with cancer, the

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doctors that I went to at MD
Anderson, they commented like

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this is not very common for
someone to have such extensive

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local disease without any
distant metastasis.

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And I do believe that my body
was fighting as hard as it could

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to hold that cancer back because
I had changed my diet and

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because I had done so much for
my health prior to my diagnosis,

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I think my immune system was
working as hard as it possibly

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could and it contained the
cancer at least in that

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quadrant.
So thankfully it wasn't was at

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stage 3C, but you know, so we
have, I've had a long road, I

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say, you know, the Lord's
blessed me with so many problems

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with myself and my family and
that's allowed me to relate to

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many of my patients.
And a lot of the information

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that I've learned about taking
care of myself and my family and

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my patients is stuff that is so
new that it's not made it

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through continuing education.
You know, so continuing

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education requires every vet to
go to a conference and to listen

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to a speaker.
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information is, is fairly slow.
And because by the time you get

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the person to speak about it and
the place, you know, all of that

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takes time.
And I remember when my kids were

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were little, I said, I don't
have 10 years for these kids.

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I don't have 10 years to wait.
Like I have to do something

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right now because these kids
need to live like a normal life

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without medication and they they
need to go to, to, you know,

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college and, and get married
someday.

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My kids, maybe that wasn't going
to be possible for the the plan

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that we were on.
And we did intervene for our

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kids and our kids are all
thriving today and have a pretty

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typical life.
The blessing of an ordinary life

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is so amazing, really.
Yeah, well, and what about you?

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Yeah, I'm doing great too.
So I, you know, I went through

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treatment seven years ago at at
that time I, I was definitely

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well on my holistic journey, but
I didn't know near enough to be

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able to save myself from that
situation.

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So I did go through the
conventional treatment of

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chemotherapy, radiation,
surgery, all of my lymph nodes

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removed in my left axilla.
I have AI still have lymphedema

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in my left arm because I have no
lymph nodes on the left side and

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so that they they took them out
in surgery.

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So I still have a lot of things
that I deal with chronically,

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but I don't have cancer.
I went through conventional

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treatment.
I actually had to have radiation

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up to my jaw.
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radiation, they, I had to go to
the dental oncologist and they,

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they said I was going to need to
use fluoride trays because they

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were going to kill my salivary
gland and I wouldn't have any

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saliva.
And then I'd probably get all

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these cavities.
And I looked at the doctor and

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was like, I don't even use
fluoride in my toothpaste.

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How can I possibly use fluoride
trays in my mouth?

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And so I then was like, there's
got to be another way.

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So I found an acupuncturist and,
and I went to acupuncture twice

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a week.
The entire time I had radiation

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on my neck and he saved my
salivation.

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And so I have great salivation
now and I have no problems and

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definitely not using any
fluoride trays.

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So, you know, it's just the more
I learn and, and all of the

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things that my family has been
through, there is always another

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option.
When I, when you get something

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like a recommendation of
fluoride trays, it's like, OK,

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I've got to figure that out now.
It's just like what do I have to

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figure out next?
Yeah, yeah.

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Oh, gosh.
And it's a lot.

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And you can see why a lot of
people just kind of give up.

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They're like, it is what it is.
I have to do what I have to do

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and don't take the time to go
down the rabbit holes,

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especially when you know, the
average person doesn't even know

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like what to trust online.
The Internet is amazing and it's

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horrible, right?
Like it, there's so much opinion

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that oftentimes it drowns out
truth.

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And you know, I, I tend to
always, not that it is 100%

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correct to do so, but I tend to
always air on like, OK, what's

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more natural, what's more like
came from the earth that was

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given to us to be able to live
this life, which isn't again,

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it's not 100% like we can't act
that way 100% anymore because of

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what we've done to the planet.
In my opinion, even with

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nutrition, like we have depleted
the soils and killed the soils

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and like the are the topsoil and
so we we have to make

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adjustments.
But when I'm like evaluating

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something, I'm like, OK, how
natural is this?

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What's the truth?
I don't know.

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But that's an incredible story,
you know, and I think one that

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so many people can relate to,
especially I put up a podcast

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not too long ago that was very
not on brand for me.

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But I just am to the point where
I'm not going to silence myself

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anymore for the sake of, you
know, possibly offending

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somebody.
Like my truth is my truth.

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I, I, I say that to preface that
I'm getting ready to say that

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there's so much out there that I
think is true, but we have a

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huge propaganda machine in the
pharmaceutical companies and

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the, that, that whole, what
Rockefeller started like we, it,

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it's very, very interesting when
you actually go and look that,

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you know, he actually believed
in natural medicine, but that

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wasn't going to be profitable
for him.

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So the whole country and then it
has cascaded to other countries

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has just been on this huge
propaganda train of for, you

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know, 100 years at this point.
And just tell somebody that

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there is another way.
And by the way, this is how we

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used to do it forever ago.
Like if we could just remember

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if like we listen to our
intuition and our body and we

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can remember that, we would
realize that, oh, no, this, this

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can be real.
This actually can help me

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instead of having this like,
knee jerk reaction that, oh,

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you're just woo woo.
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years almost because it's
interesting because the number

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of times that I have been
cancelled and discredited for

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leaning on more natural medicine
and the friends that I have lost

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and the relationships and all of
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it's just a very complicated,
it's a very complicated web of

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problems.
I, when my kids were little, I

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noticed that my son was have a
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12 years ago before being gluten
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anyone with my son because no
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that harmful to him.
What's 1?

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What's 1 pretzel stick?
Like, come on, Is that really

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going to hurt your son?
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just crazy because you don't let
your kid have a pretzel stick

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and you're, you know, depriving
them of something that kids

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should have, you know, And that
was a huge, huge battle for me.

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become so much more accepting of

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the gluten, the needs of gluten.
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literature and, and hard studies
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actually cause a whole bunch of
problems that are not what you

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would expect.
I mean, every, everyone thinks

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so a stomach ache, you know, you
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amount of, of problems that you
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changes, neurologic changes from
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example of the past 12 years of

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evolution of me trying to take
care of my family is that 12

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years ago, I was completely
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you know, and it's kind of,

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that's just one example I've
done, you know, I've got a

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hundreds of more, more examples
of the same thing where, you

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know, initially when people hear
it, they just, you know, rear up

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against it.
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that you're just crazy.
And and then give it time, let

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it simmer, let more people be
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And then the world comes around,
you know?

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gluten definitely causes issues
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causes even more issues in a
broader group of people.

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Overwhelmingly the medical
establishment doesn't believe

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women.
And who is talking about this?

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Women for themselves and for
their children And they just,

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you know, there's, it's very
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The medical establishment just
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Yeah.
But I'm curious how this changed

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your practice as a veterinarian.
Well, that's a great question.

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I basically, you know, I've
always put the oxygen mask on my

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family first before my practice
because my children were and

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were the most important thing to
me with my goals.

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And, you know, so I always was
pushing to learn more for them

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and for myself eventually when I
was trying to save myself from

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cancer, too.
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medicine will get you so far.
Conventional medicine certainly

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got me out of the weeds with my
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It certainly did.
But I do not believe I'd be

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alive today if I hadn't picked
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holistic path to make sure that
it didn't come back.

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So it's definitely a
combination.

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this stuff, I was running a

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satellite clinic for a bigger
hospital.

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It was owned by an individual,
but it was a secondary hospital.

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able to sort of drag my patients

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along with me because I was
working by myself in this

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hospital and I had a lot of very
faithful clients that I knew

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very well.
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medications.
And I'm like, after I'm learning

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about this for my family, I'm
thinking this isn't the only

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thing we can do.
We can do so much more than

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this.
And so I'm, I started very early

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on, about 15 years ago, changing
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You know, I was putting them on
different foods and I was

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noticing them get better.
You know, I started way over to

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one side.
And as I've gone, I've gone

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little bits and gradually gone
to the complete opposite end of

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the spectrum.
And you know, even when I

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started my own practice in 2019,
I called myself integrative

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because I wasn't as holistic.
I was more melding conventional

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and holistic practices.
And now I, I definitely can call

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myself integrative because I, I
use a lot of integrative

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modalities, but I just think I'm
probably like an 11 out of 10 in

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the holistic spectrum at this
point because I've gone so far

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over to the other direction.
And it isn't on purpose.

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It's just that the more I learn,
the more holistic I get.

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And, you know, I have seen
rewards in myself, my family and

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my patients that no one would
even believe are possible.

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And that is what keeps me going.
And that's what keeps me pushing

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and learning.
And there's always more to

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learn.
I'm constantly at continuing

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education conferences, you know,
reading books, following

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different people on social
media.

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You know, I'm always pushing to
learn.

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Like, what else can I learn to
make this better?

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And every time a patient comes
in to me, I say, you know, you

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came in six months ago.
I'm not the same practitioner I

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was six months ago.
Because every every time you

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come in, I'm going to be new and
improved because I've always

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learned something else.
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holistic medicine is that
they're really, you can never be

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an expert in holistic medicine
because you can be an expert in

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one area of holistic medicine,
but there's always somebody

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who's.
An expert in a different area

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that you don't know anything
about.

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South.
And now I use all kinds of

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modalities in my practice that
are super rewarding, and they're

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just able to give me and my
patients things that I never

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imagined would be.
Yeah, there are so many

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modalities, it's kind of hard to
keep up with.

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Yeah, really.
So many, how much is out there?

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So one of the things that I know
from your bio is that you are a

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TCVM practitioner.
And I have had, you know, a

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handful of TCVM practicing bets
on the podcast in the past.

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But what I'd love for you to
just as kind of a reminder to

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listeners, explain a little bit
of what TCVM is and how, if you

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don't mind, how it changed your
practice.

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Yeah, so I actually took a year
out of, I moved from

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Pennsylvania to Colorado in 2017
and I took a year out of

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practice to go and get certified
for acupuncture and Eastern

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medicine.
And I in order to do that, you

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have to have over 200 hours of
training.

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And the institution that I use
for my training was called IVIS,

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the International Veterinary
Acupuncture Society.

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And they have, they hosted an
acupuncture course in different

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cities each year.
And so the year that I they

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hosted my course, it was in
Kansas City.

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And so I traveled 5 different
times to Kansas City to go and

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do this acupuncture training.
And interestingly enough, so I

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had taken that time off of work
because we moved across the

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country and I wanted to get
acupuncture trained.

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And while I was doing that
training, I was very sick

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myself.
And then right after I got my

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acupuncture certification, I was
diagnosed with breast cancer.

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So that was what it kind of was
a big thing.

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And then, you know, I, after I
had got gone through my

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certification for acupuncture,
then I was diagnosed with breast

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cancer, went through that whole
thing which takes you down for a

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year.
I couldn't go back to

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conventional practice and I
couldn't work for someone else.

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So I had a friend and mentor at
the time, Doctor Judy Jasik.

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I just reached out to her
because she was another holistic

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vet in the area and she was so
welcoming to me and she invited

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me over.
And so I went and saw her

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practice and it kind of closed
the gap for me.

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And so I just set up my own shop
and it that was 20/19.

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It was November 2019.
And then we all know what

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happened in March of 2020.
And I then was just pummeled

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with people with COVID puppies
and they didn't want to do

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curbside.
So the original clients of my

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practice were actually pretty
conventional people that just

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didn't want to want to do
curbside for their COVID dogs.

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COVID puppies.

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I have a big couch that they sit
on for their appointment.

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I have rugs on the floor because
nobody, no dogs like to walk on

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slippery floors.
And I have really nice cozy cat

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beds that are elevated off the
floor because that makes it less

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threatening to cats.
And so it's really, it's great

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when you work in a facility that
most vet hospitals are not very

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good for the veterinarians
either.

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They have no windows.
They they have a bunch of

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fluorescent lights that they're
working under.

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It's just really a hard
environment to work in.

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quality of life factor.

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I cannot practice without
windows.

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But you know, veterinarians
themselves have a very high rate

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of suicide.
It's a very hard profession.

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And so, you know, I think that
one of the things we need to do

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to break out of this sort of
corporate box that's happening

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with our industry is we need to
recognize that if you build it,

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they will come as far as
holistic practices, there are a

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lot of corporate practices that
are trying to advertise

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themselves now as holistic
because they want to catch, you

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know, get that edge of the
market.

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But people are not fooled about
holistic practitioners.

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Like you can really, if you're
superficial holistic, you might

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be fooled, but the true holistic
people with their pets, they can

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tell.
And so I think, you know, what

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we need to let veterinarians
know is that you don't have to

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have $1,000,000 of loans to
start a practice.

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If you have holistic knowledge,
whatever realm that may be, you

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can you can set it up and be
successful in a small

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environment and people will come
because they know what's out

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there now.
They're not being fooled

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anymore.
It's like, OK, it started with

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curbside service where the
appointment lasted 5 minutes and

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you paid $700.00 and your pet
came out and, and never wanted

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to go in the vet hospital again.
And now it's and, and it's now

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manifesting in you take your pet
in for a visit and there's all

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this pressure to get all these
different vaccines and all of

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these different preventatives.
And it just seems like there's

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no escape for pet owners to go
in and pummel their dog with

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pharmaceuticals once a year.
But you can't.

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There is a better way.
And that is if they're, if

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you're truly searching for help
for your pet to find a holistic

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practitioner, the AHVMA has a
huge, a beautiful practitioner

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website that has a list of small
practitioners that some of them

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are still corporate on the AHVMA
website, but a lot of them are

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not.
And you can find people that are

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truly trying to find help for
your pet.

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And it doesn't have to be a big
operation.

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So it's hopeful for the pet
owners and it's hopeful for the

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veterinarians.
Yeah, no, that's a really cool

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way to do.
I feel like that's how that's

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used to do it a really long time
ago.

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Yeah.
So for your training in

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acupuncture, that was very
timely.

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Yeah.
Considering that that's what

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saved your salivary glands was
acupuncture right?

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That was really cool.
And I guess I didn't really

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answer your question.
I mean, acupuncture was a

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stepping stone for me.
You know, I use Eastern Chinese

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medicine and everything I do to
explain to my, that's how I kind

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of explain things a lot of times
is using the metaphors that are

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set up by, you know, in ancient
Chinese medicine.

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They didn't have a lot of text,
they didn't have textbooks.

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They just passed their
information down and they

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basically explained health in
using metaphors.

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And it's amazing how accurate
they were thousands of years

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ago, you know, because now you
can put Chinese medicine side by

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side with conventional Western
medicine.

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And the parallels are so
they're, they're very similar.

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And we think we're so smart with
our Rockefeller medicine that's

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been around for 200 years, but
we aren't really very smart

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because, I mean, this is we're
very new.

449
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,960
Like we're the babies with this
conventional Western medicine.

450
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,760
All of these ancient practices
have gone on for thousands of

451
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,480
years.
So really the traditional

452
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:20,800
medicine is actually ancient
medicine, Ayurvedic, Chinese,

453
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,800
all kinds of different
modalities, chiropractic, you

454
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:29,040
know, there's so many things
that we, we can, we can lean on

455
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,680
that are, are way have been
around for way longer.

456
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:35,880
And so I do use Chinese medicine
and acupuncture and everything

457
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,320
that I do, I use a lot of
Chinese herbals.

458
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:43,440
I also use bio resonance.
And so that's been a huge piece

459
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:50,560
of my practice that I would say
the biggest movers for me as far

460
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,200
as knowledge and education have
been Chinese medicine and bio

461
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,960
resonance because that has been
just as impactful to me as my

462
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,280
acupuncture training.
But the two kind of they

463
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,000
synergize.
So it's helpful.

464
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,120
They really do.
I use a lot of bio resonant.

465
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,920
In fact, I'm such a fan of bio
resonance that I have worked

466
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,560
with Pet Medela.
I'm very fond of their

467
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,040
technology because they bio
resonance companies are really

468
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:27,040
technology company, right?
Yeah, that I've worked with Pet

469
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:34,160
Medela to put out a dog specific
bio resonance test that I'm

470
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,280
very, very excited about
launching, is getting ready to

471
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,800
launch.
And I like that there are two

472
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,040
different testing levels.
So I think we're pretty familiar

473
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,200
with a lot of the ones on the
market right now that are like

474
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,160
food sensitivity and
environmental sensitivities,

475
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,160
that kind of thing.
So there is a level for that.

476
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,720
And then there's another level,
broader scale scan that also

477
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,680
does hormone imbalances and
nutrient deficiencies and like

478
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,840
heavy metal toxicities.
And I'm really, really excited

479
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,520
for this because it's not just
the finding out what we need to

480
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,040
remove, like all of the taking
everything away that that a dog

481
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,160
is sensitive to, but it's also
the why behind it.

482
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,120
And I'm just, I love love by a
resonance.

483
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,240
But you're, you're the expert
here.

484
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,560
So tell me tell tell the
listeners what bio resonance

485
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,920
scanning is.
So bio resonance basically is

486
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,760
like you said, it's computer
technology that it operates on

487
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:41,240
the principle that every cell in
our bodies and in our pets

488
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,880
bodies has an electromagnetic
signal.

489
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,600
And you know that signal can be
measured in acupuncture.

490
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,600
You can use actually a voltmeter
on an acupuncture point and you

491
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,440
can measure the electrical
conductivity of that point.

492
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,320
And then you can use an
acupuncture needle and treat

493
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,400
that point and then you can use
the voltmeter again and you can

494
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,720
see that that electromagnetic
field on that point has changed.

495
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,400
And so we can, it's basically,
you know, it's quantum physics.

496
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,480
It's very, it's very hard for
people to that have never been

497
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,560
exposed to it.
It takes them a while to come

498
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,560
around because it's not
something that people really

499
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,400
grasp intuitively because we
have, it's something really

500
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,160
outside of what we've been
trained and conditioned to

501
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,280
believe is real.
And so when you're working on

502
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,840
energetics, you can use that
electromagnetic signal of each

503
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:41,760
cell to help to bring the body
back into homeostasis.

504
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,520
And so basically all disease
starts with this resonance.

505
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,760
So basically, you know, if
you're exposed to toxins, that's

506
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,000
going to change your body's
voltage.

507
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,440
If you're exposed to heavy
metals, that's going to change

508
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,560
the voltage.
And so in a negative way.

509
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,440
And so homeostasis is where
every cell in the body is lined

510
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,120
up and is perfect, right,
Everything is happy and good.

511
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,240
Well, homeostasis like doesn't
exist in perfect form.

512
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,960
All of us vacillate in and out
of homeostasis.

513
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,360
So we're we're always trying to
get to that point where our

514
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,800
cells are happy and good and the
things that are environmentally

515
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,480
around us are what's pulling us
away from that.

516
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,000
And so it's toxins, it's heavy
metals, it's trauma, it's

517
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,280
parasites.
And so when we're getting pulled

518
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,760
away from that point of
homeostasis, then we're getting

519
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,240
further from health and we can
measure those electromagnetic

520
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,560
changes in the voltage that's in
our bodies and in our pets

521
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,160
bodies.
And this computer system that's

522
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,600
a bio resonance machine is able
to check and see where the

523
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,200
imbalances are.
And it works on the body in

524
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,920
layers.
So it's going to always

525
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,320
prioritize what the body is
ready to work on.

526
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,520
So maybe a pet has, and this is
basically the foundation of my

527
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,680
practice now is that, you know,
maybe a pet has a lot of heavy

528
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,080
metals, heavy metal toxicity and
maybe they also have chronic

529
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,240
infections, which I would say
most every human animal has some

530
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,240
degree of those.
So, but how do you know where to

531
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,520
address that pet?
How do you know how to start

532
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,800
with where they their needs are?
Because sometimes if you address

533
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,440
the wrong thing, you can have a
healing crisis or herximer

534
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,800
reaction where the pet or the
human actually gets sicker

535
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,480
because of the treatment that
you just tried to put in place.

536
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,400
I learned that myself, I have a
chronic infection similar to

537
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,320
Lyme disease, which is called
Bartonella.

538
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,840
And I think it was it was a big
player in me developing cancer.

539
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,280
And you know, when I before I
had bio resonance, I was trying

540
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,400
to get treatment from a Lyme
literate Dr. for the Bartonella

541
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,520
and he was giving me a lot of
great herbs that were super

542
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,840
powerful.
But I was dying with the

543
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,600
Bartonella.
Like the Bartonella was dying

544
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,560
and so was I.
We were both going down

545
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,480
together.
And so it was so strong that it

546
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,240
was killing me too.
So, so the bio resonance has

547
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,400
been just a total game changer
for me with that because it

548
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,600
allows my body to work on the
things that it's ready to work

549
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,080
on at the right stage.
And so we, we want to be able to

550
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,160
prioritize what is the body
ready to work on right now?

551
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,360
And then as you peel back the
layers, then the body can be

552
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,040
given the opportunity.
To heal.

553
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:36,440
So when you are working with a
dog for instance, and you run a

554
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,840
bio residence scan, can you give
me an idea of like what a

555
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,440
typical consultation looks like?
What does that process like for

556
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,080
you and the dog?
Yeah.

557
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:52,640
So I, well, right now I'm my
patients are, are in person for

558
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,520
the most part where people come
in, I take some hair from their

559
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,040
pet and I do a bioenergetic
scan.

560
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,280
I take a very thorough history.
I do a thorough physical exam on

561
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:11,120
the pet and then I basically use
the knowledge that I have from

562
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,880
all of the different hats that I
wear from being a veterinarian

563
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,400
and having a naturopathic
approach and integrative

564
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,840
holistic, all of these different
approaches.

565
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,520
And then I use what the
bioenergetic machine is telling

566
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,320
me as well.
And then we come up with a plan

567
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,800
for that pet.
And it usually consists of a

568
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:36,120
series of supplements and food
and sometimes lifestyle

569
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,159
modifications.
But it's, it's just kind of this

570
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:43,040
perfect storm of little things
that we put together.

571
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,120
And then I am also doing so I
have hope Healing for animals is

572
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,600
my practice and I'm just
launching Hope Energetics for

573
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,360
Animals, which is a it's
basically the same thing that

574
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,960
I'm doing for my in person
clients, except it's without a

575
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,240
client patient relationship.
So it's not quite as good, but

576
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:05,720
it's my effort to try to help
more pets because right now

577
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:09,120
there's such a need and I do
have a very long waiting list.

578
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,760
So that's, you know, it's just
like trying to figure out how

579
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,080
can we help more pets because
there's plenty of vets on every

580
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:20,200
corner to offer vaccinations and
Apoquel and Cytopoint and

581
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,360
Librella.
But there are not a lot of vets

582
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,320
that can offer supportive care
with detoxing heavy metals and

583
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,680
in chronic infections and
helping you with the right food

584
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,120
and all of that.
So I think there's that.

585
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,600
That's definitely an area where
there's a lot of hope, and I

586
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,880
feel like the world is starting
to realize the need and the

587
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,800
benefits of that.
Yeah.

588
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,120
Is that the quest?
Machine.

589
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,360
Yeah, yeah.
OK.

590
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,560
Yeah, Yeah.
I talked to them at a couple of

591
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,360
years ago.
That looked really, really cool.

592
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:54,760
Yeah.
I was very impressed with.

593
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,920
That I would say it's a very
high learning curve because it's

594
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,880
you basically build your machine
to do what you want it to do

595
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,280
that basically you can any you
can buy the machine, but it

596
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,360
doesn't have the the ability to
do all of these things until you

597
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,920
program it.
Every person that uses a quest

598
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,720
has their own snowflake as far
as what that machine can do for

599
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,440
them.
So.

600
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,840
It's, it's really, really cool
that I know I talked to, well, I

601
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,040
talked to them and because
Doctor Marlene Siegel is a big,

602
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,040
big proponent and she sent me
over there to talk to them and

603
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:39,080
it was really, really that's I,
I like it.

604
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,000
Yeah, she's another
practitioner.

605
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,880
There are a handful of
practitioners that are

606
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,240
veterinarians using it in the
United States.

607
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,720
Not a whole lot of us, but there
are some.

608
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,480
So what are you seeing most in
your patients?

609
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,240
Like what are the the issues
that you see most?

610
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,640
I see I get a lot of the worst
of the worst patients that

611
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,360
because I see a lot of patients
where they've been down the

612
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,640
whole down the conventional
route, they've been to a whole

613
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,480
bunch of different veterinarians
and they still don't have a good

614
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,640
plan or something that's hopeful
at least.

615
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,000
You know, I see, I see really
all across the gamut.

616
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,280
So of course, everyone, you
know, I think it's close to 80%

617
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,600
of dogs are itchy and that is
definitely a holistic origin.

618
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,840
Like that's there's a lot of
root root reasons for that

619
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,920
happening, as I'm sure you're
aware to with it's basically

620
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,320
just all the things I was just
talking about all the chronic

621
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,120
infections, heavy metals,
vaccinations, parasites, trauma.

622
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,760
And so I definitely see a lot of
itchy dogs.

623
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,440
I see, you know, one of the
things that I really do well

624
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,080
with in my practice is behavior
problems.

625
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,800
So in my practice, behavior
problems are health problems and

626
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,240
I really can make a lot of
difference with my patients with

627
00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,080
the things that I use.
It can really change the pets

628
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,680
dynamic in the household.
It's really that's pretty

629
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,080
amazing.
I see a lot of autoimmune

630
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,400
disease.
I have some patients that have

631
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,880
been absolutely through the
ringer and no one can find out

632
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,080
what's, no one can figure out
what's wrong with them.

633
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:25,760
You know, they have a lot of lot
of problems.

634
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:26,960
Usually I look through their
record.

635
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,640
They've had tons of
vaccinations.

636
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,200
They've had terrible food, you
know, lots of pharmaceuticals,

637
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,480
antibiotics.
So we just have to peel back the

638
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,400
layers and chip away at those
pets and we can really turn them

639
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,880
around.
It's not always easy, but you

640
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,800
can.
I mean, I have so many patients

641
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,800
that I don't think you would
even be alive if they didn't

642
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,520
have a holistic approach to
their care.

643
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,640
I see a lot of kidney disease.
I see a lot of gastroenteritis.

644
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,520
I see cancer, a fair amount of
cancer, although I don't treat

645
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,040
patients that are undergoing
active chemotherapy.

646
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,000
So if patients are getting
chemo, then I'm not the right

647
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,600
bet for them.
So holistically if they if the

648
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,560
pet parent is not interested in
doing chemotherapy or

649
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,400
conventional practices for
cancer, then I can definitely

650
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,960
help with that.
You know, holistically we can do

651
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,440
a lot and I have really good
success with cancer patients,

652
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,280
you know, where they live,
really nice quality of life,

653
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,280
they feel good, they eat well
and we can you know, we don't

654
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,680
talk that much about the cancer
for not to manifest and really

655
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,760
like hone in on that because
it's better if we don't.

656
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,600
So we talk all about the immune
system and keeping that pets

657
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,240
immune system healthy and then
the pets body does the work, you

658
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:48,760
know their immune system does
the.

659
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,280
Work.
Well, the animals don't know

660
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:51,840
that they have cancer, right?
Right.

661
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,640
They shouldn't tell them.
Yeah.

662
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,480
I mean, that's the benefit that
they have.

663
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,120
They don't have that ruminating
that we have, you know, cancer

664
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,040
is so scary.
And a lot of it's because we've

665
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:07,680
been conditioned to think that
that, you know, your statistics

666
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,840
determine what you your success
rate.

667
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:16,600
And I would say that statistics
are maybe a little bit of

668
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,680
information for you, but there
are so many people that can blow

669
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:27,560
statistics out of the water by
just optimizing their body.

670
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,200
And their pets bodies, you know?
Yeah.

671
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:38,160
So for the average household in
the in the United States, if you

672
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,160
could only suggest changing
three things.

673
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,160
Yeah.
To improve the pets, the pets in

674
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,240
their home, their quality of
life.

675
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,640
What would those three things
be?

676
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,920
Yeah.
So if I were to recommend

677
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,400
changing three things, I would
say feed the best food that you

678
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,080
can possibly feed, even if
that's not, you know, not

679
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:05,240
perfect.
So just try to give some eggs,

680
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,520
some, you know, if you have
leftover asparagus from dinner

681
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,440
or salmon skins, you know, try
to try to just feed some fresh

682
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,920
food as much as you can.
Organ meats amazing.

683
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,520
So feeding fresh food would be a
big one Environment.

684
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,840
Cleaning up the environment
would be my second

685
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,720
recommendation, which would be
like stop putting toxic

686
00:41:27,720 --> 00:41:31,680
fertilizer on your yard because
the dog is walking in that every

687
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,640
day.
And also, you know, you're the

688
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,720
drinking water, make sure that
that's filtered, making sure,

689
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,400
you know, even the cleaning
products you use in your house,

690
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,520
the air fresheners, all of that
adds to their toxic burden.

691
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,520
And then my third recommendation
would be to really be careful

692
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,960
with what interventions you do
at the vet.

693
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,240
Be very careful with
vaccinations.

694
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:04,160
Ask for titers.
You know, don't do all of these

695
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:09,320
vaccinations that they're I'm
recommending right now and be

696
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:15,120
very careful with antibiotics,
pharmaceuticals like Librella,

697
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,480
Cytopoint, Apoquel, all of these
things.

698
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,080
So really just have to advocate
for your pet.

699
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,560
So those would be my three
things.

700
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,240
I mean, there's some new
vaccinations that have come out.

701
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,600
You probably are aware of the
Novi vac next vaccines that are

702
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,040
on the market.
They are self replicating mRNA

703
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,320
vaccines.
We you know, just at the whole

704
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,240
age, I was just at the holistic
vet conference a couple of weeks

705
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:51,640
ago and you know, we're the
veterinarians are talking.

706
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,040
It's it's just pretty
unbelievable that you could have

707
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,360
a product that we have never
tested.

708
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,200
No, the USDA is what approves
these vaccinations.

709
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,400
It's not the FDA for animals,
it's the USDA.

710
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,400
They're in the same category as
livestock.

711
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,120
And so they actually approved
this self replicating mRNA

712
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:17,800
vaccine for animals without ever
testing whether or not that

713
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,640
vaccine could be transmitted to
the humans in the household

714
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,320
living with that pet.
So you, you know, we used to

715
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,320
think that the whole shedding
thing of the vaccines was a

716
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,240
conspiracy theory, but in fact,
it is not a conspiracy theory.

717
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:36,520
There are exosomes of the
vaccinations that are mRNA that

718
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,960
are exhaled through our breath
and our saliva and are

719
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,080
transmitted to other people.
And now we're not talking about

720
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,040
the same vaccine that humans are
getting for COVID because that's

721
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,920
just a regular mRNA vaccine.
We're talking about a self

722
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,200
replicating mRNA vaccine which
never turns itself off.

723
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,560
And it is integrating itself in
the biology of our pets.

724
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,040
And we do not know the extent of
what that effect will be on the

725
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:08,000
humans living in that household.
So you could take your pet to

726
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,720
the vet to get them vaccinated
and you could literally leave

727
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:16,720
with a dog that comes home and
changes the immune system of

728
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:20,720
your entire family.
And that is just absolutely

729
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,200
unbelievable that that is
happening.

730
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,360
So, you know, vaccinations used
to always all be in kind of this

731
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:32,680
category of vaccines where
they're all similar in how they

732
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,360
their mechanism of action is
pretty similar.

733
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,920
And you could talk about 1 and
you would talk about all of

734
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,280
them.
But now that's changing.

735
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,160
And when we're talking about a
self replicating vaccination,

736
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,640
we're not even in the same
ballpark as regular vaccines.

737
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,320
And I think we all have to
advocate for our pets and we

738
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,680
have to be aware of what's
getting going into their bodies,

739
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,720
not just for their precious
bodies, but for ours living with

740
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:02,080
them.
So talking about vaccines is I

741
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:07,480
enjoy it, but I know it can be
difficult for veterinarians to

742
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,320
talk about.
I have had doctor Lori Kosher on

743
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,960
a couple of times and she told
me point blank, like, I would

744
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,320
love to tell you what I really
feel about it, but I can't

745
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:24,840
because I have this license and
the veterinary board is not

746
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,680
going to let me say what I
actually feel, what I want to

747
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,720
say about these vaccines.
And so, you know, I don't expect

748
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:36,680
you to say anything that that
would potentially get you in

749
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,400
trouble.
But how do you handle the topic

750
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,320
of just the core vaccines with
your clients?

751
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,520
Well, you know, a year ago, I
think they would have canceled

752
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,200
your whole podcast for talking
about vaccines.

753
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,080
But now there's so much talk
about vaccines that I don't

754
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,720
think that I think the cat's out
of the bag.

755
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:03,640
And, you know, we're a little
freer to talk about this stuff

756
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,880
than we were a year ago,
thankfully.

757
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:10,560
And so, you know, I think that
you want to just state the facts

758
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,880
about vaccinations.
You know, vaccinations provoke

759
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,360
the immune system.
They are not benign.

760
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,200
They have side effects.
Unfortunately, the side effects

761
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:27,280
of vaccinations have been shoved
under a Bush for since 1989 when

762
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,760
the Vaccine Act passed.
So, you know, it is unreasonable

763
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,520
to expect anything to not have
side effects.

764
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,560
You know, there is a risk versus
benefit ratio to consider for

765
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,320
everything that we do.
Walking across the street

766
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,120
carries a risk.
You know, driving in a car

767
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,240
carries a risk.
Vaccinations absolutely carry a

768
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,480
risk and they always have.
But the reason that we haven't

769
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,760
been able to, the reason that
the risk hasn't been presented

770
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:02,000
to us is because the companies
that are creating the

771
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,600
vaccinations have been sheltered
from litigation.

772
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,800
And so, you know, that allows
them the opportunity to say this

773
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,000
is safe, you know, because they
are, they can't be sued.

774
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:18,760
And so, but we need to recognize
that there is nothing in this

775
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:24,280
world that's safe, Not anything.
And so I give vaccinations.

776
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,280
I, I still give vaccinations.
And you know, I worked in inner

777
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,040
city Dallas where we saw parvo
on a regular basis.

778
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,880
And I'm truly afraid of rabies.
I never want to get that.

779
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:44,720
And so I definitely am not an
anti vaccinator, but I think

780
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:48,720
it's very important for us to
acknowledge that these vaccines

781
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,440
last a lot longer than we give
them credit for.

782
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,880
That the pets immune system is a
lot stronger than we give it

783
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,000
credit for.
That we can draw a blood test

784
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:03,040
and we can send it out to a
recognized institution, Kansas

785
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:08,480
State Veterinary School
laboratory to get a vaccine

786
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,000
titer tested is very reputable
institution will tell you if

787
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,080
that pet has immunity on paper,
even though they have more

788
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,520
immunity than on paper because
some of it you can't measure.

789
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,840
But yeah, you know, so I think
you just have to, when you're

790
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:29,240
talking about vaccines, you have
to keep it to the facts of, you

791
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,200
know, it's not, it's not an
opinion.

792
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,280
These diseases and viruses do
exist and vaccines have a risk

793
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,000
versus benefit ratio to
consider.

794
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,000
And there are a lot of
vaccinations that are

795
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,280
potentially harmful.
And I do not believe that the

796
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,640
risk warrants that vaccine for a
pet.

797
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:54,560
Yeah, that is a really good way
to no, it's a, it is, it's a

798
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,160
very good way to have that
conversation where hopefully

799
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,760
everybody around the table can
participate and understand and

800
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,400
go away with, you know, these
are just the facts like you

801
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,800
said, and and make a decision.
So, OK, before I let you go,

802
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,640
we're going to do a quick
lightning round.

803
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,960
Sure.
What is, in your opinion, the

804
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,280
most overrated Wellness trend?
Overrated Wellness trend?

805
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:23,560
Might have to edit out some for
me to think about the most

806
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,920
overrated Wellness trend for
pet.

807
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,640
Oh I know.
I think one of the most

808
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:34,720
overrated Wellness trends is
that there are a lot of pet

809
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:40,840
foods out there that are not
necessarily that great, but they

810
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,160
do a really great job of
marketing.

811
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:49,720
And so I think you just have to
really know what you're looking

812
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,440
for in the ingredients.
You know, I like to see organ

813
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,440
meat.
I like to see not a lot of I

814
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,600
don't, I don't like to feed my
patients a lot of grains or

815
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,920
legumes.
But so I think that people are

816
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,520
really sold on marketing with
their pet foods.

817
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,320
And I think you really still
have to pay attention to the

818
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,920
ingredients because some of that
stuff you're paying a lot of

819
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,080
money to feed what you think is
a good food.

820
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,000
And just because you're paying a
lot and they have good marketing

821
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:19,760
doesn't mean it's actually good
food.

822
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,480
That is very true.
Yeah.

823
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:29,280
What is the most underrated low
cost change that a pet parent

824
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,520
could make with a really great
impact?

825
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:38,160
I think doing less or your pet
actually saving money on your

826
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:42,880
vet care, I think when people
get that reminder in the mail,

827
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:48,080
they feel such guilt and they
want to take their pet in to get

828
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,600
all of these things done to them
because it says really what

829
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,680
everything is that that pet is
due for.

830
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:59,000
And I think if you spend less
money on the things that are on

831
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,400
that postcard, you're going to
have a healthier dog.

832
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:08,240
What is 1 supplement that you
could not keep your practice

833
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:11,400
going without?
A supplement like, you know, I

834
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:15,360
don't use, like I, I really
don't have a supplement that I'm

835
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,160
married to because now that I'm
into this bioenergetics, I

836
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,880
really don't have, it's not a
one-size-fits-all approach.

837
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:27,800
So there's not like 1 supplement
that I have like a hot sail on

838
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,280
because it's different for every
pet.

839
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,640
So there's not.
I really don't have one

840
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,040
supplement that I use because
every pet has different needs.

841
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,480
Yeah.
Sorry, that's a bad answer.

842
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,240
It's OK.
No, it's fine.

843
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,360
OK.
What is 1 Hill that you'll die

844
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,720
on?
Oh, so I am.

845
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:52,720
I am very passionate about
getting to the root cause.

846
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,800
The hill that I would die on is
I have lots of hills like that.

847
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,160
You can just go down the road if
you want.

848
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,400
Yeah, I mean, I am.
Let's see.

849
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,560
I think hormones are really
important for pets.

850
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,200
That makes a huge difference in
my patients hormone replacement.

851
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,560
I think that pets take on their
owner's energy, you know, and

852
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,160
that really influences their
health.

853
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:22,600
And I think that the hill that I
would die on is probably the

854
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,440
unconventional hill, which is
basically that it is possible to

855
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,480
heal in a completely different
way than what we recognize is

856
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,560
the way that healing is supposed
to happen.

857
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,440
And I've seen it over and over
again.

858
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,680
And if you are out of options
and you don't believe there's

859
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,200
hope, that's just because you
haven't opened the right doors,

860
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,040
you know, And so and of course
we have to honor every pet and

861
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,600
every human has a time where
where their time here on earth

862
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,240
is done.
But there is so much hope that

863
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,320
is outside of the conventional
box.

864
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,280
And we just have to find it's
getting to that hope that's the

865
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,040
hard part is finding the right
practitioners that align with

866
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,000
you and have the modalities that
your pet needs to bring them

867
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,680
back to hell.
But I really, I just have a lot

868
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,640
of faith in in alternative
practices for health and I've

869
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,880
seen it work in my patients.
Yeah, awesome.

870
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,400
So where can people find you and
learn more and follow you on

871
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,160
socials and all the things?
Yeah, so I have social media,

872
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,880
Christy Wilson, DVM and TikTok,
Instagram and Facebook.

873
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,240
I'd love some more followers.
I don't have that many.

874
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:39,400
And also my practice, which is
Hope Healing for Animals and

875
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:42,480
getting ready to launch the
Sister, which is Hope

876
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,840
Energetics, which doesn't have a
website yet, but we'll have a

877
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,480
website within the next few
months.

878
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,720
And yeah, so that would be
great.

879
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,520
I would love to be able to pass
along the things that I know to

880
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,640
help more patients.
And that's really my goal in my

881
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,560
practice.
I can only touch one patient at

882
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,600
a time and I have a very long
waiting list of people trying to

883
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,080
get in.
And so my goal with creating

884
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,560
Hope Energetics and with doing
these podcasts and social media

885
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,040
outreach is just to be able to
share this information with more

886
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,080
people that need to hear it.
That's awesome.

887
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,800
So yeah, I definitely go follow
Doctor Christie and be on the

888
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,360
lookout for Hope Energetics.
That sounds really incredible,

889
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:29,680
especially as you just said it,
it takes you to program the

890
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,960
machine and how much success
you've had in using it with your

891
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,480
in house clients.
I think that's going to be a

892
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,120
really incredible resource for
people moving forward.

893
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,720
Thank you so much for being
here, Doctor Wilson and guys,

894
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:50,520
thank you for being here and for
listening to this podcast yet

895
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,320
again.
I can't tell you how much I

896
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,800
appreciate you.
Please give your pets some extra

897
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,880
love from me and from Doctor
Christie this week and I will

898
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,440
talk to you again next week.
Thank you for having me,

899
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,720
Jessica, It's been a pleasure.