227. Beyond Pills: Tvati’s Holistic Approach to Pet Mobility (with Dr. Kangas)

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Welcome back, pet parent.

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Today's episode is so cool.
I'm so excited for this.

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It has been a while in the
making, but I have Sean Cahill

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with us today from Tavati.
And he was like, you know what?

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Let's bring Doctor Katie Kangas
on with us.

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So you guys are probably
familiar with Doctor Katie.

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She's been on the podcast a
couple of times.

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She's absolutely amazing.
One of my favorite people in the

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whole world.
So Sean and Doctor Katie,

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welcome to the pet Parenting
Reset.

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Thank you so much for being here
with us.

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Thank.
You.

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It's a pleasure to greet you.
Absolutely.

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I was going to say the same.
So I'm really happy to be part

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of today.
So thank you for having us and

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hosting this great topic.
Yes, Tevadi is something that I

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learned about at Super Zoo this
this year, 2025.

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And it was one of two products
that everybody in our space, our

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little healthy pet space for
just like this.

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These are the two products of
the year.

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I like, I think we all were
getting kind of burnt out

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looking for innovation.
Like we hadn't seen innovation,

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we hadn't seen anything new for
years and years and years.

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And then we get 2 products in
one year and Tavadi is one of

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them.
And so I would love to just

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start with Sean, if you would
tell us a little bit about what

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Tavadi is, because that's a
weird name that people are like,

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what is this?
Yeah, well, look, it's great to

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be here and to have Doctor Katie
also, and he is amazing.

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So thank you for having us.
Firstly, it's a privilege to be

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here.
So Tavati is from the word

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Tervati and it's hard to say in
our language, let alone other

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people saying it.
So essentially we abbreviated

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the word to Tavati.
Now Tavati is from the Cook

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Islands, which is essentially
hibiscus bark or medicine juice,

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which is what the word actually
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Essentially it's a product, it's
made of hibiscus bark, which has

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been in our our culture for
centuries upon centuries that

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our traditional ancestors used
for bones of tissue and

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cartilage healing, for workers,
for sports people and just

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people within the island that
have these sort of injuries,

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etcetera.
That our founder, Doctor

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Matheson, AKA Cookie, we call
him Cookie obviously being from

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the Cook Islands, was awarded a
PhD to cut it, was awarded a

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scholarship to come to
Australia.

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Sorry to to become a doctor.
Yeah, it's a fascinating story.

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It's something that's been
around forever and a day in our

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traditional multi medicine that
now we get the privilege to

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share with pet parents, but also
humans.

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Yes.
So it's a it's just great to be

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here.
Well, thank you.

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And it so you connected with
Doctor Katie who is I don't I

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don't want to mess this up like
you're you're like the US

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ambassador or something.
How are we doing this?

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We're going to wind this back
because Tibati, it was in the

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emerging brands section at Super
Zoo and we were like, well,

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we're a brand new product into a
brand new market.

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So emerging brands is where we
should be.

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And we had a small little stand
and all of a sudden I seen this

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chick that I had a whole heap of
hair rushing towards us with a

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whole heap of people.
And it was actually Doctor

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Kangas's practice manager to
Jessica.

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And I'm like, well said to
Romeo.

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I'm like, holy shit, there's a
bunch of women coming towards

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us.
You know what's going on here?

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What have we done?
And it was Jessica had used to

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vatsi on herself before applying
it to a dog, Hamilton.

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And she had told all these
people, and to be honest, I

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didn't even know who Doctor
Katie Kangas was.

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Like where Romeo and I are two
Aussies, my background is some

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more and so Polynesian.
And we have all these women

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running towards us and I'm like,
this could be really good or

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really bad.
So.

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Jessica basically used Tavati
because she was, she found out

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about Tavati from Clayton Payne
who has a podcast in the UK

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called the Pet Business
Disruptors.

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And he had gifted her a packet
of artsy and she goes, well, I'm

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not using this on my dog till I
test it on myself.

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So she used it on herself and I
think she had an issue with her

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ankle or something or multiple
issues.

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And within a very short period
of time, she was getting around

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0 pain.
And what she had been previously

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suffering with, she wasn't
suffering with with anymore.

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So come super zoo, we're
standing there a, a chick with a

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whole heap of hair and a whole
heap of exuberance comes running

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towards us and saying, I've been
waiting to meet you guys.

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And by the way, here's this fit,
here's this fit, here's this

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fit.
And I'm like, oh man.

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And then she told us her story
and, and that's where we

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started.
The next thing I know, we, we

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basically spent most our time
with Jessica and Clayton and,

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and Doctor Kangas throughout
Super Zoo.

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And we we formed very, very
quickly, which I think is is one

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of the most amazing bonds that
was just meant to be.

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Absolutely.
Yeah, I'll just chime in on

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that, that Jessica did, as Shawn
say, said she had tremendous

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results with herself and she
actually broke her foot.

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And when we went to the natural
naturally healthy pet in Orlando

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in May, we met Clayton there and
he said you need this Tavati

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product and sent it to her.
So she used it on herself and

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then Hamilton and got remarkable
results on both herself and her

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dog.
And so she had been telling me

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all kinds of information about
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And so I was eager to meet the
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And then as Sean said, we formed
such a bond.

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I mean, just the energy of these
guys and the value behind their

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intentions in this company, the
sustainability of the product,

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the fact that it's indigenous
medicine, clearly as an

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integrative and holistic, that
it's so exciting to me that we

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have a plant medicine product
with centuries of use behind it

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being, you know, effective.
And now having global patents

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because it was, it's proven
efficacy is so exciting.

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And then also from the
veterinary space, the fact that

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this is not only natural, 2
natural ingredients and we can

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get into that, but that it's
topical because there are so

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many pets, especially cats, but
even dogs too, that, you know,

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we start getting into sort of an
excess of supplements and people

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get concerned that they're
giving too many things, there's

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too much stuff going in their
food.

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Is there some, you know,
counteracting between some of

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the, you know, multiple things
that they're being given and

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like you said, what an
innovative new thing that not

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only is this effective, but that
it's a topical product that

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doesn't even need to be
ingested.

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So it's such a unique space that
it's in and then to see it work,

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you know, and really helping to
up regulate the healing of bone

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and joint tissue and cartilage,
etcetera.

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So it's quite remarkable.
I want to hear so much more

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about what you're seeing, how
you're using it in your because

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you have so much experience as a
veterinarian.

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But before we talk about what
you're seeing, Sean, can you

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tell me what this like doctor
Katie just said talked about

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there's two natural products.
What?

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It's so simple, but what is it?
Then nature's intend to keep

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things simple.
Yeah, I think.

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Yeah.
And the thing for me is Tevati

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is made of two products.
So the hibiscus we grow in the

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Cook Islands, we have 15 islands
in the Cook Islands that's we

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have, there's an abundance of
the actual tree.

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So when we harvest, we harvest
by hand, the Kotinui and our,

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our locals do the harvesting for
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So there's 0 machinery in
regards to the way that we

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harvest.
And I think with that there's

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zero machinery.
But we don't cut trees down and

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you know, so we only ever
harvest 1/3 of bark off any

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given tree.
So within 12 to 18 months,

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potentially a bit longer, the
buck completely grows back on

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that tree because we're not a
country where we're going to cut

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down trees to, to, to make a
quick sale.

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It's not what we're ever going
to do because we need to keep,

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we need to keep mindful that our
elders never did it.

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So why we we need to keep to
stay true to what our ancestors

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did.
And if we change that, then in

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our culture, then that means,
you know, the sustainability and

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then the knock on effect to our
culture and to our children who

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are learning from our legacy is
ruined.

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And, and we will never, ever cut
trees down to, to make a quick

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sale or make a quick buck.
It's not about that.

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It's about sharing our
traditional medicine, our

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traditional knowledge and the
right way.

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And the key thing is
sustainability.

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So in the Cook Islands, we
harvest the the bark, which from

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the hibiscus tree we
standardize.

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We do all the processing in the
Cook Islands at our own factory.

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The way that we standardize the
hibiscus is with a machine

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called a mass spectrometer.
Now it costs hundreds and

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hundreds of thousands of
dollars, but we invested in this

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to make sure that every single
time we harvest, the

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standardization and process of
this product is exactly the same

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every single time, you know, and
so then that product then gets

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sent to Florida.
So we work with a Co Packer

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there that's GMP certified.
It's got the best QCQA process

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that there is that we could
find.

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And the carrier is organic
coconut oil and that's the only

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two products that the
ingredients within that makes

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Tabasi.
So, you know, as I said, didn't

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nature intend to keep things
simple, you know, things that

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come from the ground?
We, we are just maintaining what

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comes from the ground, keeping
it very, very simple.

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And again, like Doctor Katie
said, it's, it's topical, you

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know, so with pets, we rub it on
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It absorbs into their
bloodstream and treats them

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systemically.
So essentially it treats them

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overall, you know, so there's no
need of trying to shove it down

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their throats or trying to put
it into their food or hide it in

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a toy, you know, which they can
or may not take.

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But I'm not a vet.
Doctor Katie can talk in regards

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to when things are being induced
by the gut.

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And I, I think that's the great
thing of having Katie here

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because I'm not a vet.
I'm just a custodian of Tabati.

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So I'm not here to give people,
you know, advice as a vet

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because I've just been brought
up on this.

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I've had the privilege of had
this in my life from a baby.

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So my grandmother, when I used
to get headaches, she'd go into

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our plantation, she'd get
another plant, but essentially

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she'd mix it with coconut oil
and then we call it for four.

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So she massages it for falls
into my head.

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And then I never had any more
migraines ever again.

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So we've always used traditional
medicine.

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I've been brought up on
traditional medicine.

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That's why I'm so passionate
about telling this story

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because, you know, we treat one
drop at a time, but we educate

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one conversation at a time.
I do want to hear your

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experience with this, Katie, but
before we do and you.

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So when Sean, when we talked
before booking this podcast, you

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were telling me a story about
how this has been something you

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have used in humans forever.
And you were telling me about

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somebody who was using it and
they called you in a panic

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because of their horse and they
used it on their horse.

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And this is how it kind of
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headline.
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When we first started Tavati six
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2019, we created Tavati, you
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was going to sell a product into
the human space to assist humans

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with recovering from bone and
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professional soccer and so I
understood when playing what it

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meant to recover.
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back in the day were to the
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it was a Band-Aid that enabled
me to get back onto the field,

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but it essentially cut my career
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So I know the risk that people
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So being able to have a product
that I work directly with Doctor

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Matheson with ASADA, which is an
anti doping body, Water World

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Anti Doping Association, to show
athletes they could use this

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product from an acute phase for
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Because if they got tested, they
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to assist in prevention, which
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there's not a lot of products
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enabling repair while playing.
So I said I had this athlete had

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a horse, had spent a crap load
of money on it and said it

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broken down and it said it
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And I'm like, fuck, what's a
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You know, I have no idea.
And so I was like, quickly

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Googling Hawk and I'm like, he
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I'm like, OK, he goes, can I use
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And I'm like, man, in my
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as a product for an animal or a
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Our elders go into the
plantation, get the product that

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fixes the issue, puts it into
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applies it topically.
So anyway, he rings me 2-3

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months later and says, hey, man,
my horse healed.

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I'm like, yeah.
And he goes, but it's

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unbelievable that the vet can't
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And I'm like, yeah.
And he goes, but the vet said

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he's never seen that before.
And I'm like, no shit, you know,

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So apologies for swearing, but
it's just I'm telling the honest

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truth.
And so we essentially work

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through the equine space.
We fell into the equine space

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and and competitive dog space
because vets had never seen this

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thing before.
And the problem was the trainers

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were calling me directly and I'm
like explaining what Tavaati is

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and how it does.
And I said, we really want to

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use the product Tavaati.
We know, we know it's grown in

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Tahiti and we want this.
And I'm like, well, I wish I was

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in Tahiti, but it's called
Tavaati and it's grown in the

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Cook Islands.
So then my phone was ringing

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24/7.
And then we fell into the animal

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space and I tried to reach out
to vets here in Australia and

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New Zealand and they basically
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And then three months later,
they'd bring me back because all

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the horses that they said would
never be able to get back into

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work on, all the rest of it
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They couldn't see where the
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They couldn't see where the
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They couldn't see any of the
injuries that were present

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before.
They apologized for telling me

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to piss off.
And they said, how do we come on

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board?
And I'm like, man, you're great.

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The funniest story was a vet
called Warwick Vale here in

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Australia.
He was the president of the Ava

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and I'm like aviation
Association, What the hell is

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that?
I never worked with vets before

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and I've only ever worked with
humans.

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Turns out he was the president
of the Australian Veterinarian

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Association.
Been a vet forever, 4050 years

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and said I've never seen a
product like this before.

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How do I get involved and help
you build your business?

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I said you're in.
So we've had some of the best

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vets on the planet go piss off
and then basically ring me back

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and say I can't believe what
I've just seen in my own eyes.

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And the best thing about working
with animals, there's no such

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thing as placebo.
Humans.

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There's a huge possibility of
everything known unto mankind

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with humans because we're a
weird bunch.

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But with humans, with animals,
phenomenal that there's no such

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thing as placebo.
And why we have grown as a

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business over six years with
bugger all promotion.

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It's been organic, it's been
word of mouth.

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The demand came to move to
America because more Americans

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were wanting the product.
They'd heard from someone else,

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they'd heard from someone else.
And Romeo and I made the

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decision to bring Tavarti in the
emerging brand section at Super

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Zoo Now set Tavarti up as an
American LLC business where we

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now hire Americans.
You know, we're two Aussie lads

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from Australia.
My background again being

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Polynesians, now hiring
Americans, now having an

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American business, you know,
supporting locals and, and now

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bringing on some of the best
vets in the world like Katie

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Kangas.
It's phenomenal.

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Thank you.
And I have to to say I was

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chuckling as Sean was saying,
Oh, and these vets said piss off

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because I'm laughing on the
inside going.

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I'm not surprised because they
were completely doubting and why

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wouldn't they that something
like this could do what it does?

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You know, it is like, you know,
I've had clients go, Oh my gosh,

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it's a magical elixir.
And I'm like, it is, you know, I

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mean, it just seems it seems too
good to be true for a modern day

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mind, especially those of us who
are, you know, conventionally

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trained as doctors.
We're so used and you know,

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obviously I'm integrative, but
you know, the general consensus

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is, you know, pharmaceuticals.
And then, you know, even the

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modern day, you know, pet parent
who, you know, wouldn't expect

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that two natural ingredients
that are applied topically could

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truly heal bone and joint
tissue.

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It sounds, you know, too good to
be true.

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But as Sean just relayed on what
I've seen clinically already, it

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is true.
It's absolutely remarkable.

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And I'll just, let's also add in
that you, the creator, Doctor

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Graham Matheson, you know who
Shawn was talking about, One of

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the reasons he did his PhD study
on discovering what the active

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ingredient was in this
indigenous traditional medicine

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that they had is because he also
grew up in athletics and was a

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rugby player.
And most people know that rugby,

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as well as soccer has a lot of,
you know, and a lot of athletics

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in general.
You get a lot of injuries.

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And he had multiple injuries and
broken legs and stuff like that

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and healed so well with the
traditional medicine from his

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country that he's like, I've got
to study this and, you know,

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figure out what's happening so
that I can help other people.

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And, and then lo and behold, the
pathway took it into helping

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animals.
And when I first heard

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conversations and had
conversations with Doctor

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Matheson, I was floored when he
relayed to me that one of the

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biggest excitements for
veterinarians, as Sean said, is

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when we do an X-ray after an
injury to check on the healing.

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And you literally cannot
identify the original site of

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injury.
Like you have a fractured bone.

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And normally when that bone
heals, there's enough misshaping

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or you know, inflammatory tissue
around it and you know bulk of,

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of new formation and healing
around that, that you can see

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where everything is or it hasn't
repaired well or hasn't repaired

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optimally.
And so many times with horses

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and dogs using this product, the
bone healed so well that you

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literally couldn't identify the
initial injury spot.

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And that is beyond remarkable.
Like the only thing that is in

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my head right now is I just, I
just want to say like, take

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that, Rockefeller.
But anyway, so how has this

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changed your practice?
You know, it's so fun and it's

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just still emerging because it's
just in the first few months of

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me recommending this.
But I have to tell you, I am so

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excited not only because it
works honestly, but also because

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I have something else to offer
my clients that is easy to use,

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that is, you know, topical, that
is natural.

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There are so many instances and
like I called out, especially

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with cats where arthritis is so
often times under recognized

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actually, but also under treated
and under addressed.

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And there's so few things that
are safe for cats, certainly in

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the pharmaceutical world.
And then even in the herbal and

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natural world, there's a lot of
things that are difficult to

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give them or that they, you
know, they won't take or that

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they don't respond to.
And so to have a fresh new

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product on the scene that is so
effective and given in such a

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different way via the skin has
really changed a lot.

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And so I've been recommending it
to add on to even when people

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have been using lots of things
before.

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Sometimes things work.
Sometimes.

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The pets doing well for a while
and then you know, as they age

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and more arthritic symptoms or
other injuries come into play,

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having something else to add
into what you've been doing for

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a while can really level up.
You know, that healing and that

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progress, but also right out of
the gate.

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So it's been fun to offer it to
clients that have been using

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lots of holistic strategies for
a long time and people that are

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just dipping in now.
I mean, this is just a perfect

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product to add in at any time
and multi layered is always

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good.
I mean I still like, you know, I

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have my homeopathic line and I
have products that pair really

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well and are nicely synergistic
with the Tabadi product.

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So we could talk about those if
we get to that.

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And I also like to use herbs.
I certainly always talk about

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nutritional medicine.
And so I love the multimodal

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approach where we're layering in
food medicine and herbal

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medicine, homeopathic medicine,
and now this topical coconut oil

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and hibiscus bark extract.
And it just adds such a level of

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value to the whole integrative
space.

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I think a great thing with that,
sorry to interrupt, is go ahead.

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I keep on saying, I try and
explain things as simple as

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possible because pet parents,
we've got a family farm and I've

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got cattle and my cows get
Savati, my donkeys get Savati.

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If my, if I can catch my
chickens, they'll get Savati.

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But the big thing for me is we
know as pet parents the amount

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of products that we buy, right?
So when you open that carpet up,

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and I've said it before and
you've got that carpet and it's

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full of everything, and you
think about the investment that

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you spent just buying those
products and what that amounts

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to, right?
Because one thing that I won't

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shy away from and why I'm always
transparent is Tibati isn't

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cheap, right?
So it's $199.

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But The thing is that people
need to be mindful of this isn't

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a product that's coming from
China, right?

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And I'm going to be transparent
about that.

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This is a product that's coming
from the Cook Islands that's

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harvested by hand.
Now, hopefully in 12 to 18

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months time, we're going to be
able to invite all you guys back

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to the Cook Islands to come with
us to see the beautiful country

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that it is.
But we're going to show you guys

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just how hard it is to harvest
because we're doing it all by

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hand.
It's labour, a shit ton of

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labour that takes to get this
product back to the factory to

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then do the whole process of
standardizing it, the investment

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that's gone into that product.
But again, it's expensive

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because it's the only one of its
kind at the moment that's

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topical.
And again, I refer back to when

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you look at that medicine
cupboard that's not just for

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you, but for your animals, just
think about how much money

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you've spent on every single
product in that in that

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cupboard.
And then think about there's a

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coffee a day.
Because if you think about the

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cost to treat per day for your
animal, it's about a coffee and

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a half a day.
So when you're, when you talk

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about it in a coffee or a beer,
whoever drinks or whatever it

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may be, it really isn't a big an
investment when you think about

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just how much money you've spent
to get to us, which is typically

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out of desperation because
you've used everything else.

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Yeah.
And the other good, you know,

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fact to add to that is that it's
only every day typically for the

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first few months in the loading
phase and then after that it may

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be two or three times a week.
And actually in pets under 10

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lbs and cats, I'm recommending
to just start from the gate,

447
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,800
start starting out two times a
week.

448
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,000
So you know, for little pets
it's really cost effective

449
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,840
because one bag has 30 tubes in
it.

450
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,960
And if so, if you're using it
every day, it's a one month

451
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,200
supply for a human or a medium
or larger pet, for a small pet,

452
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,600
you know, that's going to last
for much longer if we're only

453
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,800
using that twice a week.
And it's quite effective at

454
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,600
twice a week in these small
pets.

455
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,920
So that that really, you know,
plays into, so I love to tell

456
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,080
people, yes, you know, the cost
may be higher than other

457
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,120
products, but if it works, which
I've seen it work incredible,

458
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:08,480
you know, and we can't ever
expect or claim that any

459
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,480
products going to work in 100%
of pets or, you know, animals

460
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,800
and 100% of people.
But from what I've seen, this

461
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,560
product has such a high success
rate in working that I tell

462
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,560
people if it works, you know,
people would spend that $200

463
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,600
happily if it's going to because
there are so many things that

464
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,040
don't work.
And, you know, people, you know,

465
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,920
as we're just talking about
spend a lot of money and spin

466
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,640
wheels with a lot of things that
don't end up with, you know, the

467
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,920
highest results.
So this really the efficacy and

468
00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:45,240
you know, the ease ability of,
of using it and applying it and

469
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,800
the fact that it is topical so
you can add it into all these

470
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,160
other things that we're doing
orally or food medicine and it

471
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,120
complements well is such a, you
know, a beautiful alignment.

472
00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,440
Yeah, Well, I think on that note
of it complimenting, well, I

473
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:04,640
just celebrated my dog Kim's
12th birthday and we've had a

474
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,320
lot of changes this year and
there's definitely been a lot of

475
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,800
stressors for both of us.
And I've started to notice with

476
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,040
especially with all of the
stress that we've been through

477
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,320
this year, it was like all of a
sudden she was a puppy.

478
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,320
And now it's like, wait, she's
aging.

479
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:26,280
And so I just within the past
like week and 1/2, I have

480
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,600
started adding 2 new things into
her regimen and Tavadi is one of

481
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,320
them.
And I will say that she wants to

482
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,600
play a lot more than she has
been wanting to play.

483
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,760
And the other thing that I'm
concerned, that I have been

484
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:43,200
concerned with is that I have
never had stairs in her entire

485
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,720
like the entire time I've had
her.

486
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,240
And now all of a sudden this
year, we have a lot of stairs.

487
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,160
And so with her aging, it's just
something that I want to be very

488
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,680
proactive, just knowing that
that's, you know, something that

489
00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:00,240
is, isn't easy for, you know,
aging dogs to, to, to manage,

490
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,520
especially if they've never had
them before.

491
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,640
It's like, wait, my muscles work
that way.

492
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,520
But I also think it's very
telling, just being like a

493
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,360
business minded person.
I, you know, had, I haven't

494
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,640
worked for anybody.
I've had my own business in one

495
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,200
way, shape or form for the past
12 plus years.

496
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,720
So having a very like business
mind, I think it is very telling

497
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,840
that Doctor Katie, you have your
own line of products and yet you

498
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,360
are so passionate about this
product that you do not own that

499
00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:34,160
you are coming to talk about it
and sing its praises because

500
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,920
other business owners may not do
that, right?

501
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,240
Like it's just really telling to
me that you're like, yeah, I

502
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,880
have my own line of products and
they're great.

503
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,040
But let me tell you about this
one.

504
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,640
That's like amazing poison.
I'm going to jump in here

505
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,440
because guys, like I'm a
custodian of Tavati and I'm

506
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,360
protective over my culture.
I will protect it to the NTH

507
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:55,880
degree.
So the secret was for Romeo and

508
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,080
I was to get to know Katie and
Jessica at Super Zoo.

509
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,400
And I'm telling you, within four
days I felt like she was my

510
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,040
biggest sister.
You know, I felt like we're

511
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,840
brother and sister honestly
because we don't bring on just

512
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,880
any Tom, Dick or Harry, right?
And this was the whole thing for

513
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,280
us that we will build as a
business because we have over

514
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,080
six years, but we will build
with the right partnerships and

515
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,560
we will not let Dick heads come
on board because me being head

516
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,200
of HR, we have a no Dick head
policy.

517
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,120
And and that's the whole thing
I've sold, I sold my family

518
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,000
farm.
So my farm that my wife Bianca

519
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,400
and I bought, we sold our farm
to invest our money into this

520
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,600
business because we've had that
many people try to invest into

521
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,480
our business.
It was like, so Romeo and I have

522
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,720
invested our money, our family's
money into this business to grow

523
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,120
it with Cookie because it's part
of my duty to my culture, to my

524
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,880
people, to my sons, to
understand the legacy that we're

525
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,080
building for our culture.
And Doctor Katie coming on board

526
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,520
is a privilege.
You know, I wish I could scream

527
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,120
a bit now, but it's it's a
privilege because I'm screaming

528
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:02,800
inside.
Because when you know you.

529
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,520
Yeah.
And I, I saw it right away to

530
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:12,240
the authenticity, you know, and,
and the intention behind this

531
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,000
company and the efficacy of a
product that comes from

532
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,840
traditional culture medicine
that was studied in the modern

533
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,920
scientific context to literally
achieve global patents.

534
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,080
I mean, this is remarkably
unique.

535
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:35,760
And so I'm excited to help its
its journey into the pet space

536
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,160
and the animal Wellness space.
So yeah, I'm, I'm super

537
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,520
passionate and so many reasons.
And now I just keep accruing

538
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,800
more and more reasons as I get
more feedback, not only from

539
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,360
Jessica and her dog Hamilton,
who this is literally changed

540
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:55,200
Hamilton's life, this product,
her cavalier spaniel, but now I

541
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,520
have multiple patients that are
on it and people reporting back

542
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,520
to me.
Very similar, you know, many

543
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,080
comments very similar to what
you're seeing Jessica with your

544
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,200
doggy and that just more vibrant
moving better anything from

545
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,120
mobility to energy level,
because when you're more mobile,

546
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,440
more blood flow, more energy,
this really does just sort of

547
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,640
catapult into higher vitality
and better living.

548
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,520
What what this plant medicine is
doing is it's up regulating the

549
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,120
body's ability to repair tissue,
notably bone and joint tissue

550
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,400
and cartilage and ligaments and
things like that.

551
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,360
But that can obviously be used
after an injury, after an acute

552
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,520
thing.
But so many times there's

553
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,880
chronic issues and chronic
issues can be just recurrent

554
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,480
from previous injuries that
keeps recurring or arthritis.

555
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,160
But even arthritis is oftentimes
a result or or at least the pain

556
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,240
I should say from arthritis can
be the result of recurring

557
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,320
injuries.
So that if you have arthritis,

558
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,520
you already have a weakened area
that's had an injury before

559
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,760
etcetera.
It can re injure and there's no

560
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,600
little micro cracks in the bone
or injuries to that tendon or

561
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,560
ligament and then causes more
pain and more inflammation.

562
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,320
And so with this product to body
being applied, you know on a

563
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,360
regular basis, even at the
maintenance of twice a week or

564
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,600
so, it's allowing the body, I
think Sean said this earlier,

565
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,400
it's allowing the body to repair
as things are happening so that

566
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,800
you don't end up in that
advanced state of pain and

567
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,200
stiffness and soreness etcetera.
So these I mean older pets I

568
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,400
say, but you can, I mean this is
great for any age, but for older

569
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,080
pets especially or pets with
injuries, you can really see the

570
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,240
difference and typically the
difference is seen, starts to be

571
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,440
seen.
I mean, it will obviously take

572
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,080
some time for more full
efficacy, but the differences

573
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,640
can be seen within five to seven
days or so from my clinical

574
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,640
experience thus far.
Yeah, Well, I want to say that I

575
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,680
absolutely can as to what Sean
just said, because when we had

576
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,120
our Zoom call before this, he
was like, I asked around about

577
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,880
you because I'm not just coming
on any podcast.

578
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,680
I was like, oh gosh, OK, well
I'm glad people had nice things

579
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,200
to say about me, but I want to.
It's true though, because at the

580
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,280
end of the day, got you, you
just can spend a lot of time

581
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,360
building your own personal
brand, right?

582
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,440
And, and with them when it comes
to personal brand, that's

583
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,680
everything and, and my culture
to me and my name is everything

584
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,000
to me.
So we will protect our, our

585
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,280
people and you are our people,
you know, So again,

586
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:36,200
understanding Katie when we met
her, her own doctor, Katie's

587
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,640
remedies are a compliment to
what we do at Tibati.

588
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,680
So how do we partner with people
that have complimentary, you

589
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,520
know, remedies that can benefit
our business?

590
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,720
Because Tibati is not
everything.

591
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,320
People will go, oh, Tibati does
this and Tibati does that.

592
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,840
That's great.
But Tibati is not everything

593
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,400
because Tibati, it's businesses
need value adds because Tibati

594
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,680
is not going to come out and
then do a Tibati dog wash like

595
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,280
all that bullshit we don't do.
There's no way.

596
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,200
So we will partner with the
right businesses, the right to

597
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,200
have the right efficacy with the
right brands, with the right

598
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,840
people to then say, hey, I've
tested these people personally

599
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,760
because you're not getting past
me.

600
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,240
And, and if you want to, you can
try, but you're not, you know?

601
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,600
So again, my passion, I wear my
everything on my sleeve and I'm,

602
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,280
I'm unemployable, you know, and
I, I wear this unapologetically

603
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,200
because it's, it's very
important to me that our

604
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,520
customers, our people, our
tribe, when we're sharing our

605
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,880
bowl, that they understand that
we've tested, we've had the

606
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,120
conversations and not all the
conversations are going to be

607
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,960
pretty at the start, but we're
going to do it for the right

608
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,520
intentions.
Doctor Katie, can you talk about

609
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,400
what you saw with Hamilton,
specifically what he was going

610
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,480
through and how Tabadi?
Yeah, Hamilton story is actually

611
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,560
really interesting because when
you learn about what Tabadi

612
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:59,480
does, you would generally be
targeting it for pets or

613
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,520
patients.
And in my, you know, from my

614
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:08,680
ankle that would either have
injuries or lameness or, you

615
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,960
know, arthritis, you know, just
older aging.

616
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,320
Hamilton actually has the Chiari
malformation.

617
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,920
So he has the CM issue that a
lot of cavalier spaniels have

618
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:25,000
where the spinal outlet of the
CSF is too narrow and so the CSF

619
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,440
fluid gets trapped in the
cranium and it can be God awful

620
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,600
painful.
I mean it is this really a

621
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,640
difficult syndrome for these
dogs to live with lifelong And

622
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,920
Jessica has taken Hamilton to
numerous specialists and

623
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,560
neurology appointments etcetera.
He's been on pharmaceuticals in

624
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,800
the past.
Fortunately, he actually got off

625
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,000
his pharmacy.
He was on multiple

626
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,880
pharmaceuticals.
And then when we started working

627
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,520
together, we slowly got Hamilton
off all his pharmaceuticals and

628
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,360
still maintaining a very good
and high quality of life on CBD

629
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,560
very regularly as well as well
as you know other supplements

630
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,760
and getting chiropractic and
acupuncture regularly, stuff

631
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,680
like that.
But Despite that, even even

632
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,159
though he wasn't in downright
pain, she didn't realize until

633
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:11,360
she started to body that he
could actually be so much better

634
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,360
than he was.
Because she did a bunch of

635
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,120
research on it and read up on it
and found out from, you know,

636
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,760
Sean and the team and all the,
you know, stuff we've looked

637
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:24,760
into that it is patented for
tissue repair, but many humans

638
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,760
that have used it very
specifically have had the

639
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,360
benefit of reduced pain.
So and it when she was using it

640
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,440
for her foot fracture, her pain
subside.

641
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,400
She was waking up in the middle
of the night from throbbing pain

642
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,280
of her broken foot.
Within three days of applying to

643
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,159
body, she was able to sleep
through the night.

644
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,880
And she's like, holy shit, if
this helps my level of pain,

645
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,360
what could it do for Hamilton,
even though he doesn't have a

646
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,840
broken bone or injured tissue
that, you know, we're aware of.

647
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,199
So she started using it on
Hamilton and within a few weeks,

648
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,640
I mean, I'm almost going to get
emotional for her because this

649
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,200
is really because I've known him
and now for a long time and I

650
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,440
love this little dude.
And she, she's like, he would

651
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,480
never run at the park.
Her other dog, Rusty, now that

652
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,720
we healed his IMPA, you know, he
runs and plays at the park.

653
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,920
And Hamilton would just saunter
around and sniff and not engage.

654
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,640
He is now playing, He's rolling.
She goes.

655
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,720
I didn't realize I haven't seen
him roll around in grass in

656
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,880
years or ever.
And so and he's happier.

657
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,040
He's just like more social in
the house.

658
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,840
Her mom came to visit this last
week and her mom's like, this

659
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,800
dog is laying on my lap more in
one day.

660
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,160
And then he's laid on my lap in
seven years of me visiting.

661
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,680
Like he's just, he feels better.
And it's just such a lovely

662
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,080
thing to see.
And it's not something that I

663
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,480
would have predicted would come
out of Tavani.

664
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:49,480
And so it's just cool that as we
use it more and more, the

665
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:54,280
demonstration that we can see
how this can apply in so many

666
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,280
different facets is nothing
short of really exciting.

667
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,360
Yeah.
Well, and a lot of the things

668
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,720
you're talking about feel like
typically going into, you know,

669
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,600
conventional veterinarian's
office, one of the things that

670
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,880
may be prescribed is some sort
of and said and or steroid.

671
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,440
And we know how detrimental
those can be to the liver.

672
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,000
And I'm imagining because this
is an all natural 2 ingredient

673
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,200
product that it is actually
really gentle on the.

674
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,480
Absolutely.
And there's in all the studies

675
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,400
that were done, there was no
negative effects seen at all to

676
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,000
organ systems or to health in
anything they were able to

677
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,960
document.
And you know, is certainly

678
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,400
obviously it's been used on, you
know, humans and dogs and

679
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,480
horses, you know, for quite some
time.

680
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,400
But in the studies on, you know,
rabbits and other animals too,

681
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,880
nothing has ever been seen
that's negative.

682
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,280
That's amazing.
And I'm also, the other thing

683
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,360
I'm thinking is about all these
animals that are being

684
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,640
prescribed Librella and silencia
and we're seeing like really,

685
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,200
really horrible side effects
and, you know, decreased

686
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,280
lifespans and all the all the
horrible things.

687
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,760
And I'm just imagining that that
this as a layered approach like

688
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,240
like you were talking about,
could be so much more beneficial

689
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,240
to these animals.
Absolutely.

690
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,600
And even a lot of, you know,
integrative minded pet parents,

691
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,760
multimodal, I mean you use as
many natural products as that

692
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,320
makes sense, you know, for that
pet that work in a complementary

693
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,600
alignment together.
But sometimes pet parents still

694
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,920
have to turn to pharmaceuticals
to keep their dogs comfortable

695
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,040
and have a quality of life.
And we were talking about the

696
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,960
cost.
I mean, these pharmaceuticals

697
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,240
like, you know, the end stage,
whether it's, you know,

698
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,320
Carprofen or Galaprint or you
know, these new thing not, you

699
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,240
know, not to mention, I mean, we
don't want at all the Labrela

700
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,680
and Silencia type stuff.
But these other end stage talk

701
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,680
about liver impact of these
pharmaceuticals going on a daily

702
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,040
basis for chronic use, sometimes
permanent use and not to mention

703
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,000
even just the biochemical
negative buildup that that can

704
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,280
cause 'cause.
But the cost too, I mean, we

705
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:02,000
were talking about the cost of
Tavati big dogs on NSAID's every

706
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,280
day.
That's 2 bucks a day.

707
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,680
I mean that's, you know, at
least maybe $4.00 a day

708
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,400
depending on their size.
So that adds up a lot and that

709
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,040
is contributing to, you know,
obviously concern for the liver

710
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,960
and many other things that.
But what about the cost of

711
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,840
trying to to to help those dogs
post?

712
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,920
What about that?
You know what I mean?

713
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,720
So they use these other
products.

714
00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,880
Then what does it mean about the
cost and the vet visit and

715
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,160
potentially not seeing your dog
because it's constantly in the

716
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,760
vet hospital, whatever it may
be?

717
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,400
What about the emotional factor
cost to this as a pet parent?

718
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,760
Because I know my I've got three
sons, we don't give our kids any

719
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,360
pharmaceutical products.
And that says, so I'm not giving

720
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,960
my pet a pharmaceutical product.
Even if the vet or doctor

721
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,560
prescribes it, I still don't
give it to them.

722
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,400
Then that's just us to be
totally honest, you know, so I'm

723
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,080
not giving my kids something
that I wouldn't take and I don't

724
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,680
expect my animals to take
something I wouldn't take.

725
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,280
And that's the benefit of Tivati
because it's not a product just

726
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,280
for animals.
This is a product that's for

727
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,880
humans and animals.
And we become your well-being

728
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,240
partner because when you're
applying Tivati to the animal,

729
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,720
it's absorbing in through your
hand because your skin is the

730
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:12,400
biggest organ there is on your
body.

731
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,360
So essentially which also
treating the pet parent at the

732
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,520
same time unknowingly.
So when they ring us back.

733
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,280
So when we worked in the, in the
equine market, or we're sorry,

734
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,280
we do work in those markets, the
trainers used to ring me and go,

735
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,640
man, I know you told me there's
only two ingredients in this

736
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,280
product, but what the fuck's
really in it?

737
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,840
Because I've got the worst pain.
I haven't been able to, to my

738
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,320
pain in my hand, in my back, but
I'm in zero pain.

739
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,560
And I'm like, is that a good
thing or a bad things?

740
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,800
I know it's fantastic.
I will keep on using the

741
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,080
product, you know, and and so
it's I get so passionate about

742
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,120
this, but again, you've got to
think about the knock on effects

743
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,760
of doing your research, you
know, and, and understanding

744
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,760
exactly what it is just because
someone says, use this, do your

745
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,600
research, understand what it is,
what's the ingredients, check

746
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,440
the ingredients on the product
and say, well, this thing that's

747
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,720
got a list from A-Z Google, you
know, there's so many things at

748
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,600
at our fingertips as as pet
parents that we can find out the

749
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,640
information or just ask a
professional like doctor Katie

750
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,920
Kangas.
I feel like plant medicine is

751
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,680
really having like a resurgence
right now and I'm loving it so

752
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,160
much because as, as you said at
the beginning, like, shouldn't

753
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,880
this be simple?
Shouldn't the, shouldn't, you

754
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,200
know, the earth provide
everything we need?

755
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,400
And I feel like that's kind of
like an oversimplified statement

756
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,640
because we've done so much
damage to, you know, depleting

757
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,000
our soils and all of the things,
which is why it's so important.

758
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:42,200
I think that these product that
the hibiscus bark is coming out

759
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,840
of the Cook Islands because
you're probably have much

760
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,040
healthier soil there.
We're not allowed to end the

761
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,000
solids and we're not allowed to
call it organic.

762
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,800
Like that's the weirdest thing
for us.

763
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,120
We source our our coconut oil,
but we have a piece of paper

764
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,880
that says it's organic.
But in the Cook Islands, it

765
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,120
grows wildly.
It grows naturally and there's

766
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,240
no pesticides, but we can't call
it organic.

767
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:04,120
So we'll just call it natural.
Yeah.

768
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,000
You know what, I'd love to tag
on to what you said, Jessica,

769
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,280
about how it's so great that
plant medicine is making a

770
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,680
resurgence.
And it is, I mean, the wave of

771
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,200
the future, it's funny to call
it the future.

772
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,840
I mean, well, it is integrative,
you know, and it's back in so

773
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,240
many traditional routes.
And one of the things that I

774
00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:26,000
heard Doctor Graham Matheson say
in the podcast with Clayton mean

775
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,960
on the, the on pet business
disruptors podcast, I would

776
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,000
include, I would encourage all
of your listeners and audience

777
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,680
to listen to that podcast.
It's amazing.

778
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,720
But one of the things that
Doctor Matheson said in that

779
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:42,360
podcast, which I really enjoyed
hearing is he said, you know,

780
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,640
it's only been the last 50 or 60
years that we've, that medicine

781
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,440
has revolved around designer
medicine.

782
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,600
He goes, it used to be discovery
medicine.

783
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,040
It was, it was cultures
discovering what worked, what

784
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,600
worked from the earth, the
planet, these plants, and then

785
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,600
creating protocols around what
worked.

786
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:03,880
Now it's designer medicine in
creating something that works

787
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,800
rather than discovering what
works.

788
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,440
And in creation, it's obviously
synthetic and it's out of

789
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,600
balance and it's sometimes
taking the medicinal agent out

790
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,080
of a plan and isolating and that
in creating it since

791
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,400
synthetically.
And sometimes it's just creating

792
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:19,880
it synthetically from the get
go.

793
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,160
But again, like a designer
approach rather than a discovery

794
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,000
approach of let's use what
works.

795
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,280
So that was provided to us, you
know, through the earth.

796
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,200
So that's such a beautiful thing
to get back to.

797
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,560
It really is.
And I think it, as we've

798
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,240
already, already mentioned, does
complement your line of products

799
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:42,480
at Doctor Katie's Remedies.
So how do you combine to body

800
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,960
with some of the products you
have?

801
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,280
You have a lot of homeopathy.
And my homeopathics and I was

802
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,520
smiling as Sean was talking
because he said the words share

803
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,080
your bowl.
It's like yeah, because one of

804
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,200
the reasons why we bonded so
quickly on so many levels, you

805
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,280
know intention and the you know
the authenticity of of where

806
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,080
they are in their mission and
spiritual actuality behind all

807
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:09,360
of this was so beautiful.
But the fact that their product

808
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,960
fits my passion of providing
things and supporting people

809
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,840
with education and resources and
choices that affect both their

810
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,120
pets and themselves.
So our company, you know,

811
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,480
tagline share your bowl is all
because of Doctor Katie's

812
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,120
remedies.
Everything I've created is

813
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,520
suitable for humans and very
effective for humans as well as

814
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,680
pets.
And the reason that that tagline

815
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,560
came about, share your bowl is
Jessica suggested that as my

816
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,800
practice manager, she'd been
hearing me for years talk to my

817
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,320
clients in the exam room with
their pets, saying, you know,

818
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,600
this product is made for pets,
but it's really good for humans.

819
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,080
So feel free to take some
yourself and share the bottle

820
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,440
with your pet.
Or the flip side, I'd say, you

821
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,320
know, this product is made for
humans, but I'm going to send it

822
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,360
home for your pet.
Just so you know, it's a human

823
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,560
label because it's made for
humans.

824
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,200
So share the bottle with your
pet.

825
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:03,920
This is really great.
You know, they start asking,

826
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,960
asking me, oh, you're
recommending bone broth for my

827
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,200
pet.
I should be drinking that for

828
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,280
myself, shouldn't I?
And I said, yes, you should.

829
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,880
And you're eating all your
fermented foods and all these

830
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,920
things.
So it was share your bowl.

831
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,760
It was, hey, these are things
that across species, I love how

832
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,120
Sean said, you know, we don't
have products that are for pets

833
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,520
or for people.
We just have these natural

834
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,440
ingredients that work to heal
the body, whether you're an

835
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,800
animal body or a human.
I mean, we all are animals.

836
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:36,080
So just so well aligned with my
passion of where I'm going with

837
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,880
my product line and really with
my education.

838
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:43,640
I've amassed such an amount of
training and education in

839
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,240
functional medicine.
And so much of what I learned or

840
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,800
my training in functional
medicine was literally on the

841
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,600
human side.
And then I apply it to pets and

842
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,080
some of it was straight
veterinary, but a lot of it was

843
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,880
human application of functional
medicine and then integrating

844
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,680
that into a veterinary approach.
And so this product, my line,

845
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,960
you know, to the Tabati product
and the Doctor Katie's line mesh

846
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:11,160
right in there with that
functional support for humans

847
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,920
and animals.
And mine are homeopathic so far.

848
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,760
I'll probably expand from there.
But my products are homeopathy.

849
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,120
And as just to explain that
briefly, it's homeopathic

850
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,960
remedies, of course, are have
also been used for centuries and

851
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,920
they are all natural ingredients
and homeopathic remedies.

852
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,840
You can do a single remedy or
blended remedies.

853
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,760
Mine are all blended, you know,
remedies that I've custom, you

854
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,000
know, blended for, you know,
each of the approaches that the

855
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,080
formulas are are targeted for.
But a homeo adeopathic

856
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:43,720
ingredient is always exceedingly
diluted and that's what lends to

857
00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:46,280
the great safety margin.
And one of the best things about

858
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,360
homeopathy is it's so gentle,
unsafe, and it can be used in

859
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,280
all species.
You know, Shawn was bringing up

860
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,640
chickens and, you know, I mean,
you can use homeopathy in

861
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,960
anything and it's, you know, in
its natural.

862
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,280
So homeopathy is like heels,
like is, is, you know, where the

863
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,840
language actually, you know,
comes from is like heels like or

864
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,480
like treats like and in nature,
an ingredient that we would be,

865
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,160
you know, using in a homeopathic
formula at full strength, it

866
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,120
could be toxic.
But when you are diluting it

867
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,720
down to an extreme dilution,
it's just enough for the body to

868
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:23,960
energetically recognize, to
nudge or shift the body, help

869
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,280
shift the body into healing
itself and to using in its

870
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,200
innate mechanisms to correct
that imbalance and get back into

871
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,480
homeostasis.
So it's so beautiful.

872
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,480
It's this tiny little amount.
And even like conventional

873
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,840
medicine, Western medicine,
people look at homeopathic

874
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,960
remedies and they're like, shit
that's so dilute.

875
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:43,400
There's no way that could be
doing anything.

876
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,640
There's nothing in there.
And you know, we holistic

877
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,640
people, anyone who's used
homeopathy and sees it work, we

878
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,560
know that that tiny amount, this
is on a very energetic like

879
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,200
quantum, you know, Physiology
aspect of this working in the

880
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,720
body is it's just creating that
little shift of the body healing

881
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:04,040
itself or correcting the
imbalance or correcting the

882
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,280
condition.
And so that's what my formulas

883
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,960
are after.
And then I guess I could mention

884
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,560
that I don't know if my camera
maybe not, but that's mobility

885
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:15,360
and that is nerve.
So these are two of my formulas

886
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:20,000
that pair very well with the,
you know, Tavadi product that

887
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,040
could be used in a little trio
set.

888
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,000
The mobility has ingredients in
it for, you know, inflammation

889
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,400
and pain, but also things that
are targeted for bone healing

890
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:33,080
like Cymfitum, things that are
targeted for cartilage healing

891
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,880
and resilience like the
Cartilago.

892
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,200
There's also, you know, arnica
and you know, other things for

893
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,640
inflammation and and etcetera.
So that pairs very nicely.

894
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,280
And then the nerve formula is
targeted more for nerve pain,

895
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,560
which we would definitely think
of with neck or back problems.

896
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,040
But a lot of times with other
injuries, nerves are either

897
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,880
being no pinched scar tissue,
inflammation, adhesions in the

898
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,600
tissue, you know, you know, from
post injury and all kinds of

899
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,040
things, even post surgery can
trap nerves in there.

900
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,840
And so a lot of times that's
inter, you know, is, is in the

901
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,120
play of how that is manifesting
into symptoms.

902
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,000
And I've seen some incredible
results with both of these

903
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,400
formulas.
But I released the nerve formula

904
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,960
more recently and now I've got a
lot of feedback coming in on how

905
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,680
well this is working.
Even pets that have like muscle

906
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,840
tremors and leg twitches and
things like that, they've gotten

907
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,240
a lot more steady or even
tremors resolving on the nerve

908
00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:31,640
formula.
So that's got a lot of

909
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,600
application.
Mobility is just kind of the

910
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,680
nice go to across the board for
anything with lameness being

911
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,440
arthritis.
And then if it seems applicable,

912
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,720
adding the nerve in is a is a
great addition.

913
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,520
And the nice thing about
homeopathy, just to state this

914
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,960
to you, is that it doesn't
counteract or contradict

915
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,880
anything else.
And that's a beauty of

916
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,160
homeopathy too, is that it can
be used right alongside, of

917
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,120
course, pharmaceuticals, but it
can be used alongside multiple

918
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,520
herbals, you know, and so many
other natural tools too.

919
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:06,120
And we do know that with herbal
medicine, it being so much safer

920
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,760
in general than pharmaceuticals,
of course.

921
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,360
But when you're starting to use
multiple herbs and Chinese

922
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,920
herbal formulas often have 12 to
15 herbs and 1 formula, when

923
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,720
you're really racking up the
herbs and layering on things,

924
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:24,480
sometimes things can start to
have maybe some counter action

925
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,600
there where you want to be
knowledgeable or plug into an

926
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,280
practitioner that can really
help people decipher what a good

927
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,760
regimen is when you're combining
herbs.

928
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,880
But the beauty of homeopathy is
if the pets already on some

929
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,720
herbals things, on some maybe
prescription things, adding in

930
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,880
the homeopathy, you never have
to worry that that is going to

931
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,320
cause any negative influence or
impact.

932
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,760
It's amazing.
So do I remember correctly that

933
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,000
there was some issues with the
FDA that you couldn't put a lot

934
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,480
of things on the website, Sean,
is that I don't know if I'm

935
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,680
remembering that right?
So essentially we kind to be a

936
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,640
massage or that works around
joint and mobility with dogs,

937
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,160
horses, etcetera.
When you're trying to register

938
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,800
anything in any market, there's
a lot of things that can come

939
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,480
up.
Now our patents are registered

940
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,440
globally in every single major
market globally obviously to

941
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,640
rejuvenate bones of tissue in
cartilage.

942
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,200
But if you're going to go out
and try register a product in

943
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:29,240
any market, they want XYZ and
millions and millions and

944
00:50:29,240 --> 00:50:33,760
millions of dollars.
So we chose down to go down the

945
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,760
least resistance path and we got
it over the line with the FDA in

946
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,120
regards to joint mobility and
joint issues etcetera.

947
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,240
And and that's what we're really
happy with because whatever else

948
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,000
our customers see the product
work for, it's a bonus for them.

949
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,800
Yeah, I just, I wanted to bring
that up in case somebody listens

950
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,240
or hears something from someone
about it and they go to the

951
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:55,000
website and they're like, wait,
is this the same product?

952
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,200
Yeah.
And it's great that you asked

953
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,400
that because So what we've done
now the Tivari Traditional is

954
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,920
our human product, Tivari Pet
and Tivari Equine would

955
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,840
basically put everything under
one website because we had so

956
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,120
many customers go, oh, why we're
going to a different website

957
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:11,560
while we're doing this.
And we're like, you know what,

958
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,680
go to one place because so we're
seeing our customers not only

959
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,160
buying the Tivari Pet product
for their animals, but now

960
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,520
buying Tivari Traditional for
themselves.

961
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:23,440
So again coming back to the
holistic view of being the

962
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,040
family's well-being partner.
I love it.

963
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,640
So we're all I I'm sure there
are multiple places that people

964
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,360
can get to body.
I don't.

965
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,120
Do you have it on your website
too, Doctor Katie?

966
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,400
Yes, we have links to that on
our website and direct people to

967
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,480
thetavadi.com website all the
time now as well.

968
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:41,840
Perfect.
Correct.

969
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:46,280
Well, I, I just am so grateful
for both of you and to have

970
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,840
learned about this product.
I am just a lifelong student, so

971
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,800
I love just learning any and
everything new that comes along,

972
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,680
especially if it is natural and
actually works, which is

973
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,320
amazing.
So I just want to say thank you

974
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,800
both for being here, for taking
your time to come on and talk to

975
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:07,320
all of us about this product and
what you're seeing from it.

976
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,920
And obviously, Sean, you have
your whole life, you've been

977
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:12,880
around it.
So you're like, yeah, duh, this

978
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,520
is what it is.
But for other people like me,

979
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,880
we're like, Oh my gosh, this is
amazing.

980
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,080
Amazing.
Where did this come from?

981
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,280
Yeah.
And look, it's it's a privilege.

982
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,440
It really is, Jessica, because
like, you reached out post Super

983
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,160
Zoo, we didn't get to meet
there, but hey, we're here now.

984
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,880
You're using it on your own pet.
You're seeing it for yourself.

985
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,520
And as I said, the best thing
with animals is that there's no

986
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,120
such thing as placebo and your
eyes don't lie.

987
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,600
And that's the most beautiful
thing about what we're doing.

988
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,480
It's the most beautiful thing
that we're doing with Doctor

989
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,520
Katie Kangas.
You know, she's now the

990
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,080
official, you know, Tavaati
well-being veterinarian officer

991
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,200
for us, which is even bigger
privilege for us.

992
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,040
So for us to be able to share
our story on the pet parenting

993
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,880
reset with you have Katie on
here.

994
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,160
And just as I said, we treat one
drop at a time.

995
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,360
We educate one conversation at a
time.

996
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,960
So thank you so much.
And if you're like on the fence

997
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:04,960
and you're like, I have no idea
if this would help my pet or

998
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,840
not, you probably have pretty a
pretty long wait list.

999
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,840
But I know Doctor Katie, you do
a telehealth as well, if people.

1000
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,760
Yes, thank you, Jessica for
mentioning that.

1001
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,320
I do.
And we're still seeing new

1002
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,840
patients and there might be a
month or so wait time, but not

1003
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,360
too bad.
And I'm so happy to do that

1004
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,960
Ioffer telehealth so I'm able to
work with pets across the globe,

1005
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,440
which is really, really
fantastic.

1006
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:33,160
And the telemedicine is really
so, you know, so successful in

1007
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,720
the integrative space.
So I, I really like working with

1008
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:40,520
people that way and supporting
them with providing a, a

1009
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,800
customized Wellness plan to, you
know, support their pets to

1010
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,800
healthier well-being from
anything chronic or even just

1011
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,840
preventative and stay healthy.
That's awesome.

1012
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,240
Well, I appreciate both of you,
Sean and Doctor Katie.

1013
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,440
And guys, if you have any other
questions about the body, feel

1014
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,440
free to reach out.
And you can just check the show

1015
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,200
notes for the link to anything
we talked about today.

1016
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,040
So you can just click and go
there.

1017
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,720
And with that, I want to say
again, thank you guys for being

1018
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:10,800
here.
Give your pets some extra love

1019
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,600
from me, from Sean and from
Doctor Katie this week and I

1020
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,120
will talk to you next week.
Thank you.

1021
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:16,600
Thank you.