229. Behind the Label: Big Brands Go “Fresh,” Synthetics Already Causing Harm

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And this is with Girls Gone Raw
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much.
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Parenting Reset I get so many
DMS and messages about how much

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y'all love Lauren So.
That's good.

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I know, right.
OK, so we're kind of we've been

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talking about this for a little
while and I'm kind of glad we're

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doing almost like a year in wrap
up type type deal with this.

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I wanted to originally I was
like, OK, I love like your

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stance on Purina that you did.
You had like a little rant that

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you did yeah, a little while
back on Purina.

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And then I thought let's just
like kind of take it all the way

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around and talk about what the
big pet food brands are doing

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and what they have been doing in
2025 because I think we're

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starting to see a pretty big
shift.

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Yeah.
I don't, I don't know, I have

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lots of feelings about it.
But then there's also been some

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demonization of fresh food in
the news lately that I thought

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we could talk about.
So we'll just kind of like do

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like a year end wrap up on all
things big pet food.

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I'm like, how long you got?
That's the form.

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Like it's one of them, said
Jess.

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That rant was coming for like
years, but I try not to be

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controversial because like I
don't want attention because I

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said something controversial.
Yeah, but it like had to be

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said.
It's I just the there's

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something about Purina
specifically that is so culty.

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It is.
I want to know people just like

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we'll live, breathe and die for
Purina.

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And I'm like, they don't care
about you.

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I don't know.
Yeah, well, tell me.

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I mean, because I, I it's, it is
an interesting and different

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thought process because you're
right.

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And I, I feel like, you know,
we've said this about a lot of

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different things, like it's,
it's, I know this is going to

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sound silly to compare it to,
but it to me, it is so silly for

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somebody to like, I'll see
somebody wearing like, you know,

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a team jersey and they talk
about my team this and my team

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that.
And I'm like 1 like, you have no

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stake in this team.
These people have no idea who

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you are.
Like it's fine to be a fan, but.

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I don't understand that and
like, maybe that's why I don't

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understand the the like the
stand.

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You know, people are like, I
don't I don't do sports.

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I have for content so many
animals in my house.

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Yes, Lauren is fostering.
I'm currently, yes, I'm

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fostering this giant beast and
his brother who's chewing on a

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treat that apparently the other
one is not good enough.

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And then I have my Rottweiler
trapped behind the gate who is

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going to be singing Thank you
singing for us.

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So hey Scarlett, this is I feel
like this is like a moment in

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the life of like a crazy
overcommitted dog lady.

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Yeah, is she?
Amputation surgery too and she's

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in like a double cone cuz she or
a double donut.

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Scarlett, Joanne.
Is she?

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Feeling OK?
Yeah, she's fine.

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It's like, annoying because she
won't stop trying to run.

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Oh my gosh, I'm going to call
him.

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It's OK.
We, I think everybody here

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understands.
Dog like, OK, I think it's not

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one of those where I showed up
wearing like pajama bottoms and

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a tuxedo top or something and
I'd be getting up and down so

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often.
OK, so back on topic, I don't

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understand like this loyalty to
Hills and Purina and stuff like

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that, because not only does that
just create so much ignorant

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single mindedness, like I'm not
committed to any brand.

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I like the brands that have
earned my trust.

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You know, there's a couple of
them that I'm like, I fed it for

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a long time.
I've talked to your reps, I've

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talked to your owners, I've
looked at your formulas.

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There's nothing that you've ever
done to prove to me that you

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Obviously every business needs
to make their money.

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Everybody, like every business,
is profit driven.

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We can't just ignore the fact
that people need to live in a

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capitalistic society.
But the motivation behind what's

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choosing the ingredients and
what is driving your company

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forward is, I think what's
different because, oh, it's I

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get so heated about it.
I could be making so much more

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money if I had lower standards
and different intentions.

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You know what I mean?
Yeah, but I don't, I want to

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work with small farms.
I refuse to put in cheap

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ingredients.
I refuse to cut corners.

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You know what I mean?
I refuse to even get a Co Packer

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because I don't want somebody
else deciding the quality of my

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treats.
Purina to me is there's the

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people that love Purina pro
plan, right?

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Yeah, on the spectrum.
This is what my whole rant was

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about.
If people didn't see it on the

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spectrum, Purina pro plan could
be worse.

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Yeah, something else my dogs,
but it could be worse.

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It's it's a decent option for
people if you maybe have

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problems with accessibility,
even though we have chewy and we

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have deliveries now.
So it's a little bit less of a

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reason, but it could be worse.
OK, it's decently cost

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effective, but to me, eating
anything by Purina is like

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putting money into like, the
poison makers because you know

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what I'm saying?
I don't have words right now

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apparently, But yeah, I don't
know how you could go.

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Ahead, it's kind of like the the
opioid epidemic, right?

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Like these people knew they were
putting out a product that was

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detrimental, but they were
making money hand over fist.

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So they kept pushing it and
pushing it and pushing it and

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pushing it and, you know, they
got a slap on the wrist.

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Comparatively, yeah, right.
Like to go too deep into the

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conspiracy of like, are they
putting out a toxic product to

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get us more us or our dogs or
whatever, more dependent on the

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pharmaceutical system to get
more money into veterinarians

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because your dogs are sicker.
I don't like to play into that.

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I think that if that's the
reality, then we're just screwed

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as a society and as a species.
I'm sure there are people like

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that, and I think the
Pharmaceutical industry is

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certainly like that.
You, you know me, I like a good

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conspiracy, but I don't like to
play into that one.

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But what?
Even.

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Yeah, even if that's not the
case, even if it's just what we

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do know for a fact that they are
taking waste product and using

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it in pet food and they advocate
to continue to be able to do

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that and to can and to find new
ways in which to use waste

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products in pet food like that.
That's real like.

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Scarlett, she's such a beautiful
singer.

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Yeah.
And, and honestly, I understand

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that too, because even in my
industry, I'm essentially buying

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waste.
Now get in my waste is

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nutritious, but I'm essentially
finding a way to take waste and

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create a business from it.
And it benefits the farmers

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because that's product that
would normally be thrown away or

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just sold for cents to a
renderer.

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So I I get that and like I like
to devil's advocate on it.

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So I can understand really
what's driving these companies.

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But Scarlett Jolene, she's going
to kill me.

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My problem is I think it even
comes down to the veterinarians

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that are just die hard Purina,
right?

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Because whether you back the
research OK or whatever they're

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doing and they have some
beneficial products they have

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they're like veterinary diets
and things like that.

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You are also backing kit and
kaboodle moist and meaty.

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I mean some of the most toxic
things on the in the entire

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industry.
And like I pulled out the

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ingredients between them.
So for puring the overall, let's

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see their products they have
like their premium ones is your

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Purina pro plan.
Their whole thing is act like

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veterinary back performance
science driven, which is wild to

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me.
Higher protein than their budget

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lines still have 3.
They're like mid tier Purina

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one.
It's natural.

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It's got real meat first
whatever.

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And then you also have Purina
dog cow, Purina cat cow.

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Moist and meaty is like toxic
soup.

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And like Alpro Karina.
Hey, that's your brothers.

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Leave that alone.
Go, go get yours.

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They're driving me nuts.
Everyone's in belly band right

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now.
This is Leo.

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Leo.
It's just how can you blame that

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you are health and science
backed and then put out things

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like propylene glycol, red 40
for dogs, yellow, blue, I mean

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corn, corn syrup in a dye.
There is no way that anybody

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looked at that and said that's
nutritious.

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And then the the justification
as well.

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Low budget families need food
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Yeah, but they don't have to
have all of this crap.

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Just simplify it.
Sure, use meat and bone meal

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right?
Which is which is meat and bone

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meal is basically like the
baseline garbage rendered meal.

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It can be literally anything
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Expired meat roadkill I make.
She's so upset.

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She's in a doughnut, like the
size of a hallway though, right

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now go.
This is why I should have gotten

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the crate ahead of time, but you
know what I mean?

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I'm like, how can a veterinarian
rightfully back a brand that

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puts things in that we know are
toxic?

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How can you call it nutrition
driven when it has things that

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have no nutrition and are
negatively detrimental?

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You know, so I just.
I mean, sadly think that opens

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up a whole other can of worms
because like I, I finally found

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a veterinarian here because I, I
moved again this year back to

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Virginia.
And I like, after many trial and

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errors, I've found a
veterinarian that I can work

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with who is willing to just
check the box and say, no, we're

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not going to ask you to do
vaccines on your 16 year old

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cats again, right?
Like there.

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And I had a conversation on the
phone with her yesterday because

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I took my boyfriend's cats in to
have blood work done and the

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kitten needs to be neutered.
So we had to do like the well

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visit for that.
And she called me back with the

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blood work results and we were
talking about what the cat is

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eating.
And I'm like, I finally, you

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know, she ate kibble for the
first eight years of her life.

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I've only known her this many
months.

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I've transitioned her to a wet
food.

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She's, she's act, she's acts
like she's starving.

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So she's actually eating the
kitten's raw food as well

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because she acts like, you know,
nobody ever feeds her, which is

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why I took her in to get her
blood work done in the 1st

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place.
And she's like, well, I just

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would really recommend you still
feed her some dry food because

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it cleans her teeth.
And I'm like, oh.

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My God.
I'm like, I, what am I supposed

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to do with this?
And but I think that kind of

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again, like this is a whole
bigger thing that like, I don't

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think there's any one reason.
I think it's, you know, these

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are the people that are in front
of them the most.

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These are the people that are
probably bringing in a lot of

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possibly free or discounted
product.

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These are the people that are,
you know, bringing in the

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baskets of cookies and these are
the people that are.

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Hard to not blame somebody for
having, yeah, the ignorance

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enough to believe that.
Yeah.

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You're a medical doctor.
I know that you're a whatever

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veterinary medical doctor.
I know that your schooling was

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so hard.
You have to be so incredibly

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smart to get through that school
to even get through the prereqs.

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I barely I couldn't get through
O chem right?

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And that's why I ultimately it
pushed me to deciding not to go

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to vet school because I'm just
not a student.

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You have to be so driven and
intelligent and to just believe

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something like that because a
sales Rep says it to you or

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whatever reason you believe it
to me is just like peak silly

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ignorance.
Yeah, it's it's an excuse, but

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it's not a good reason.
It's not a good reason and and

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I'm like that to me is like the
easiest thing to discredit.

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They don't even Chuck.
Like this puppy just threw up an

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entire pile of entire kibbles.
Not a single one of them was

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chewed.
Yeah, yeah.

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Does eating a Snickers bar clean
your teeth?

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Yeah.
It's just wild to me that people

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use that as a selling tactic.
I'm like, say what you want

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about science driven nutrition
and whatever, if you want to use

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that as your reasons, those are
good reasons.

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If you believe science and
studies and things like that,

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you're a professional.
I get it.

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You might just not be
holistically minded.

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You might not have that
inclination to look past the

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surface level and that's not
everybody has that and it's hard

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to blame against that.
I grew up thinking holistically.

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So it's something that I have to
look at even with very small

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things, things in our house,
things in our cars, you know,

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emotional subjects.
It's my instinct to look down to

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the base.
What's causing this?

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How do we fix that?
And then a lot of people, just

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our surface level.
But yeah, it's it's the

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veterinarians that say ignorant
things like that I think

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disappoint me the most because
you are the ultimate source of

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information.
And so then you have people on

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the Internet, I'm assuming,
calling out you.

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I'm sure I get plenty.
And they're like, Oh yeah,

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'cause I'm going to take
nutrition advice from somebody

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who's not a vet.
And I'm like girlfriend, I have

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more if not the same nutrition
experience than your

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veterinarian.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Well, well, and it was, it was
super disappointing because

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there are things that she's very
like open minded about, you

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know, like I called because I
knew I was going to have to get

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my kitten a rabies vaccine to
get him an appointment for a

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neuter, right.
And I'm like, OK, well, I want

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to make sure I'm getting a
thimerosal free vaccine.

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And and they all the stock is
that adjuvant free, thimerosal

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free.
Like that's all they have, which

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is not easy to come by in a
veterinarian's office, right?

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Like, and yeah, it was just, it
was, it was like a gut punch

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when I heard her say that.
Exactly.

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It's like you're on a really,
really, really good date.

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Everything's going great and
then they say like something

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really ignorant and you're like,
gosh, you just ruined

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everything.
You're.

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Doing.
So good, I know even even my

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vet, we have a really good
relationship and so we're at a

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point where he's like, you know
what that is, right?

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You're good.
You you have that at home.

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And I'm like, yeah, but it's
hard even to see the I get

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reminders for like yearly
vaccines and I'm like, I know

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you don't believe in that.
Like, I know that you have to

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make money, but it's hard to see
that.

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It ruins it a little bit for me.
But I don't know.

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I know that clinics struggle to
make money.

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Not a single vet is out there.
Maybe the surgeons that have

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worked really hard to
specialize, but not a single vet

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is out there rolling in the
dough, you know, and I know it's

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a hard career.
Like I said, I'd never, ever,

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ever want to discredit vets, but
it's just so disappointing to

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see some of them just blindly
believe some of this stuff.

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And yeah, I mean, it's so I have
I have a ingredient panels here,

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Krill plan, whatever you have
chicken, poultry byproduct meal

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not great and fish meal like
that's their high quality one.

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And then you have so that's 123
meat products and then 12345678

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and that 3 split corn products
and then 3 split wheat products

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too.
So you know, it's even higher.

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Yeah.
And that's the high quality.

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Yeah, for anybody listening who
doesn't understand what that

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means, Ingredients are often
split into, say, corn.

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I don't know, corn meal.
And corn, whole brain corn, corn

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protein meal and corn germ meal
and then a whole grain wheat,

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wheat flour, wheat brand.
So when you Add all of that

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together, that might be 1/3 a
third and a third.

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But when you add that together,
that's going to end up being

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heavier than the meat products
that are in there, especially

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when your first ingredient is
chicken, which we know is mostly

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water.
So when they say real meat as a

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first ingredient you take out,
70% of that is water, you end up

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not actually having that much.
And I think like being able to

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read a label like that is such a
powerful tool.

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Even if you don't have the
knowledge or the skill set to

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look deeper into things like
that.

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Being able to flip over a bag
and kind of decode some of that

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bull crap on the ingredient
labels is the best.

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And the most disappointing thing
of that, I think is that a lot

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of these holistic brands, the
ones that look like something

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that we would like or approve
of, they're just as bad.

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I mean, I worked in, I worked
for Champion, so Origin and

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Akana before they sold, I worked
for them and I was a sales Rep

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and they were OK on the market.
It was a good one.

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They were like the only really
high protein one.

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Farmina was just kind of coming
in and they were doing a freeze

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dried at the time.
But I mean, you see, like all

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the marketing rules and
everything like that, it just,

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it just is so disappointing
because they're just praying on

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consumers being simple.
Yeah, liking cute pictures like

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that series you've been doing
with the treats.

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They're just praying on
people's.

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Yeah.
Reptilian brains, you see baby

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and you want to buy it.
You know what I mean?

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It's.
Yeah, it's how kittens get us.

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Well, it was, it was me.
Like I literally was just

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walking through Trader Joe's and
I'm like, this packaging is so

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cute.
Let me look and see what's in

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it, right?
And I was like, Oh my gosh, let

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me feed my dog sugar.
Why would I do that?

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I'm just wild.
I mean literally in one of their

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diets.
I'm trying to figure out which

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one 123 The 4th ingredient in
Moist and Meaty by Purina is

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high fructose corn syrup.
Corn syrup in a diet.

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People feed their dogs every
single day and they're like, why

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does my dog have diabetes?
Yeah, is arguably worse than

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even just sugar because of how
it hijacks your, you know,

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insulin response system.
But, you know, I think at the

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bottom line, kind of what you're
saying with Purina is just that

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there's no ethics there.
Yeah, I think I've just been

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angry ranting, but that is it.
I mean, it's, I don't know,

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they, they, I think that they're
just like predatory.

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I think it's a predatory
company.

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And I get it, you have
shareholders.

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Like I said, everybody needs to
make money, but it's just a

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really, really shitty thing to
gamble with.

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That's that's animals living
like dying sooner and getting

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horrible, terrible diseases
potentially because of

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malnutrition.
Because you wanted to make a

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quickbook.
And whether or not you like

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Purina Pro Plan or you like some
of their scientists or their

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flashy marketing, they are OK
with that.

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They're OK with an animal eating
moist and meaty, or kit and

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Kaboodle with its red dye,
yellow Dagna blue dye, green

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dye.
They are OK with your animal

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eating that and dying
prematurely and that to me you

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cannot trust the brand as a
whole.

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Yeah.
Well, and to kind of take things

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a step further, and I know this
is probably still pretty

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controversial with a lot of
people, I don't think we're ever

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going to know what happened.
And I don't, I wholeheartedly

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believe there would never be any
accountability for what happened

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at the beginning of 2024 with
Purina.

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You know, there were thousands
of animals reported very, very

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ill, many of them dying after
opening new bags of Purina food

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and all across the board like,
and, and it it did kind of

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trickle.
There were some reports into

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other brands as well, but it
started with Purina and they had

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the largest numbers.
And I just don't.

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I mean, the FDA was like,
there's nothing here.

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Meanwhile, literally thousands
of animals are dying, dead or

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seriously ill.
And some of them were euthanized

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because of how I'll they were.
Yeah.

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You know, and I don't think
there's sadly, I don't, I don't

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think we're ever going to know
and I don't think anyone's ever

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going to be held responsible for
it, which is.

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Yeah, like I said, I like to
play the game of devil's

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advocate with myself to try to
figure out like what other

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people are thinking because I
know as a fact that you and I

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are examples of a very like 1
sided niche, you know what I

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mean?
And I'm so lucky to be part of

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it where I'm just, my entire
feed for the most part is people

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that support at least on TikTok
is brutal, OK.

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But at least on Instagram and
Facebook, I'm surrounded by

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people that have the same
message.

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And I feel like whether or not
it's profit driven, I feel like

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the information is good.
The information is driving good

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habits and education.
There's people that just see

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their dogs as dogs or tools, and
there's people that just see

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animals as profit.
And yeah, I, I don't even know

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where I was going with that, but
I, you know, I acknowledge the

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fact that there's people that
just don't care as much.

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And I don't know, I lost, I
thought on that.

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You know, and I think, but I
think the majority of there are

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always outliers, but I think the
majority of people that do have

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pets genuinely think they're
doing right by their animals and

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if and when they do happen to
learn something new.

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Are.
Willing to implement it as best

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they can, it's just a matter of
getting the information to them.

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When this is the last party
break.

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Sorry everybody, you're getting
the process.

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No, my gosh, I will say I'm not
looking forward to getting

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Camden neutered because I know
I'm going to have to get a donut

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for him.
He is.

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Really lucky that with like
every surgery and every

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whatever, I haven't really had
to do that like neuters, even

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spades usually can put some
underwear on, but this one's

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hard because it's her foot.
Yeah.

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And he can lick it.
She can reach it through

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everything.
The cone, she like she can get

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out of it.
I don't know how she's getting

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out of the cone.
So we're doing a double

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doughnut.
She's got a big one and then a

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little one and she's but she
already like ripped A stitch and

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it's been, it's been a little
frustrating, but.

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Yeah, like she's going to walk
on it, so you can't.

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I know that sound like.
How do you even avoid that?

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She's got her.
She has to.

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She's going to trip, you know?
Yeah.

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Anyway, back to the topic.
Sorry, I'm chaos today.

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He.
I would agree.

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I think the bulk of people at
least want the best for their

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dogs.
It is disappointing because I

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work with people a lot.
I do a lot of markets and

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especially at my Expos and
stuff, you see a lot of

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different demographics, diapers
doing his job.

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OK, but you see a lot of
different demographics.

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And everybody I think thinks
that they're doing great.

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They're like, yeah, my dog is
doing so great on his on his

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food.
I'm like, Oh yeah, what do you

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do?
Dog chow?

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Yeah.
And then you have to come up

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with a polite way to explain
It's, it's almost like I, I, I

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think of it like a game.
I don't want to say it like make

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00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,400
it a trivial, like I'm in a
tricky kind of way, but it's

449
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,040
almost like a game to try to
figure out what talking points

450
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,920
are going to not offend them,
are going to hit what they care

451
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,880
about and are going to actually
encourage actionable change

452
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,400
because it's hard.
You could say something that

453
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,680
offends somebody very quickly.
I mean, people, if you're like,

454
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,400
Oh, that is a terrible food, you
need to change that right away.

455
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,520
They're going to be like, like,
screw you.

456
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,920
You think I haven't?
You think I'm killing my dog and

457
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,080
like, no, So you have to say
like, Oh, that's why did you

458
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,240
choose that one?
Because of like, is it your does

459
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,800
it just fit your budget really
well?

460
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,960
Is it easy to get?
And a lot of times it's just

461
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,960
they, that's what they came from
the breeder on, which makes me

462
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,280
want to punch a baby.
That's what they're, they've

463
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,920
always said, you know what I
mean?

464
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,680
And a lot of times, if you can
at least encourage them, like,

465
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,280
oh, you have free range
chickens, throw some chicken

466
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,160
eggs on there.
I would rather somebody do a

467
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,440
kibble that they can afford and
then add some fresh foods to it,

468
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,760
then go to a high end kibble
that is pressing the budget to

469
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,960
the limit.
Because in the end, kibble is

470
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,520
kibble.
You're still getting ages,

471
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:42,680
you're still getting carbs,
you're still getting synthetic

472
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,000
nutrients with the exception of
a lot like 2 kibbles out there.

473
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,240
In the end, kibble is kibble.
I'd rather somebody go on like

474
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,280
one of my favorites to recommend
for people that want to try

475
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,400
something fresh but like are
pretty budget restricted.

476
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,160
I like nutri source, nutri
source, grain free.

477
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,480
It could be so much worse.
Yeah, you know, it could be a

478
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,960
lot better, but it's a great
starting point.

479
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,200
And then maybe that allows them
to go buy Primal.

480
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,400
And I'd rather you have half
Nutri source and half Primal

481
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,680
because your protein, your
moisture, your fresh food

482
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,360
ingredients are going through
the roof.

483
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,960
And I people hate on Primal all
the time.

484
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:24,880
It's so accessible to people.
It is.

485
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,200
It's whole food balanced.
Is it perfect?

486
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,960
No, but it's a really, really
great option.

487
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,840
It's relatively budget friendly.
You can get it almost anywhere

488
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,960
now.
And there is a lot of I think

489
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,200
judgment and exclusivity in our
little aggressive niche of the

490
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,600
industry.
You know, and I'm like, listen,

491
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,440
I'm not rolling in money.
I'm lucky to have a lot of brand

492
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,320
partners that I get discounted
food or maybe free products.

493
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,080
Otherwise I probably would just
be stuck to buying whatever I

494
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,000
could afford, you know?
And it is important to remember

495
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,840
that.
And that sounds like I

496
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,320
understand why we need to have a
low quality kibble because I'd

497
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,800
rather a dog be eating something
than starving.

498
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,560
But there's so many people out
there that could afford better

499
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,920
that are feeding moist and meaty
because they think that it's.

500
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,320
Top notch.
Yeah, yeah.

501
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:21,320
Or.
Well.

502
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,160
And OK, so you brought up
synthetics, and that was another

503
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,880
point that I wanted to talk
about today because in the news

504
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,520
recently, of course, the
headlines are always just there

505
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,680
to scare you, right?
They're not actually giving you

506
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:44,520
the story.
The headlines were gently cooked

507
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,000
or fresh food is causing
bladders.

508
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,240
The what was it?
Bladder stones?

509
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,840
Yes, bladder stones, Yeah.
So the truth of the matter is

510
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,720
that it is not a fresh food
problem.

511
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:04,680
It's a problem with foods that
are using a particular synthetic

512
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:09,120
ingredient, which generally
speaking, like obviously you

513
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,800
just went through the whole
thing about feeding what you can

514
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,840
afford and doing the best you
can.

515
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Ideally, we do want all whole
food formulated diets, right?

516
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:27,080
So like in if if, you know, we
could just snap our fingers and

517
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,040
we lived in this utopia, like
everybody would be feeding all

518
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,720
Whole Foods all the time, right,
with no synthetics.

519
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,680
But it is.
So there are a handful of brands

520
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,480
like the Farmer's Dog, Just Food
for Dogs, Nom Nom Oli, like

521
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,680
they're out there and they have
a bunch of synthetics in them

522
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,920
and but they are like, I feel
like we've had this argument

523
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,440
before, or at least I know I
have that.

524
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,320
It's still not something I would
want to feed to my animal, but

525
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,040
at least they're out there
letting people know there's

526
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,360
another option other than that,
you know, kibble.

527
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,880
Even even sometimes I'm grateful
for fresh pet.

528
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,000
I say that very guardedly
because I think that it's hot

529
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,800
dog quality.
Yeah.

530
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,720
But it's better than it could
be.

531
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,720
It at least.
Yeah, it opens their mind.

532
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,080
Yeah, yeah.
And yeah.

533
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,960
Synthetics, that's a hard one.
There's so many raw food brands

534
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,200
that I will not feed because
they use those synthetics and

535
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,520
yeah, like this calcium mobs
like crystal.

536
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,640
It's easy to slap zinc collate
or whatever into the

537
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:39,120
ingredients.
It's but then next thing down

538
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,240
the line, you know that we have
this strange disease, these

539
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,200
strange crystals.
You don't know how things are

540
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,000
going to process for different
dogs.

541
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,240
Yeah.
It's also why I switch brands

542
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,800
all the time.
Yeah, so it's choline by

543
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:57,080
Tartrate.
And Dr. Judy said that, you

544
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,000
know, she still isn't super
concerned with it unless you

545
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,120
have a dog that is already prone
to making bladder stones.

546
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,320
And there are a lot of breeds
that kind of are.

547
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:11,080
So just knowing your breed of
dog, which if we have mutts,

548
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,200
first of all, I think generally
speaking, mutts tend to be

549
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,120
healthier anyway.
Like they're just hardier

550
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,760
animals.
But like knowing if your dog has

551
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,200
a predisposition to something,
regardless of what it is.

552
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,520
We're just happened to be
talking about about bladder

553
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,040
stones right now.
Like is, is something we we do

554
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,520
want to know.
Like I, Kim is a mutt and I had,

555
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,640
you know, embark tested a number
of years ago and say what you

556
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,280
want about all the tests out
there, but to me, something is

557
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,200
better than nothing.
And I know that she has a

558
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,400
predisposition for IVDD.
So, you know, I've got to do

559
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,520
what I need to do to make sure
that she stays lean.

560
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,480
And, you know, I'm, I'm making
sure that she's active and she's

561
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,160
not losing muscle mass and you
know, all the things.

562
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,120
I think that's the power of like
knowing your breeds in general.

563
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,400
And I, I like Embark for that
reason.

564
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,360
They're like, it's not just
always for fun to know what kind

565
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,240
of mix your dog is, especially
if you're getting from a puppy.

566
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,920
Like, OK, we know there's golden
retriever in there.

567
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Let's just support the heart.
That's why I have this monster.

568
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:22,760
They are puppy mill releases and
he has a serious heart murmur as

569
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,840
well as entropion.
So he has to go to a heart

570
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,560
consult.
And that's on like bone

571
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,200
retrievers and heart disease are
like one in the same.

572
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,760
And so if you know that you have
that dog, it doesn't hurt to

573
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,360
just support it from the
beginning.

574
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,920
Yeah.
So, yeah, I like that.

575
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,760
That point that's don't wait for
something to go wrong to support

576
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,160
it.
Know your breed.

577
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,720
Know your dog.
This goofball is cracking me up.

578
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:54,240
But also, why pay raw food
prices for synthetic nutrients,

579
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,920
right?
Like that's kind of a sticking

580
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,000
point for me, especially with my
clients.

581
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,720
I'm like, but you're paying the
same or roughly the same amount

582
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,920
as this other brand that I would
much rather you feed your dog.

583
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:14,280
So my, my point with fresh food,
that is I think a complicated

584
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:15,440
one.
What do you do?

585
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,880
Don't lick the microphone.
I'm cautious when recommending

586
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,600
things because like, I don't
want somebody to just jump in

587
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,560
and make their own food.
It's going to be cost effective,

588
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,440
but it'll either A, you'll do it
right and you'll burn out.

589
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,840
B, you could do it right and you
find a great groove with it

590
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,400
because you have good resources
and the time to do it.

591
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,239
For me, it burnt me out.
I was panicking.

592
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:40,760
I'm like, I'm doing the wrong
vitamin D.

593
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,199
I'm going to like give my dog
toxicity.

594
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,520
I was freaking out.
Or you're going to go on the

595
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,159
Internet, you're going to see
somebody like, Oh my God, this

596
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,719
Canadian Labrador breeder or
something that I was finding.

597
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,400
And he's like, hey, come with us
to make 100 lbs of dog food.

598
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,760
And you just ground like 100 lbs
of beef, cracked like 4 eggs in

599
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,360
there and like a bag of
blueberries.

600
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,360
And I was like, do you do any
sort of premix with that?

601
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,520
And he's like, no, no, we just,
yeah, this is I'm like, do any,

602
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,000
do you do any organ meats?
And I think I sent that in the

603
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,720
group because they just like
made me crazy.

604
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,320
People are going to look at
this, they're going to see a

605
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,480
sporting dog breeder, these
healthy muscular dogs.

606
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,840
And while I'm not saying that
that's unhealthy, I'm saying

607
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,800
that that is dangerous for the
long term.

608
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,040
So I made sure to put on there
like, yeah, these are all

609
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,600
really, really great
ingredients.

610
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Just be aware that there are
deficiencies that won't manifest

611
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,160
right away that could make your
dog live a lot shorter life or

612
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,040
get sicker down the road.
Like the DCM thing.

613
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,640
You can support the heart
naturally.

614
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,760
It's it's the deficiencies of
feeding something that's not

615
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,960
especially synthetics that's not
processing right all the time

616
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,200
for their whole life.
Eventually, Oh my gosh, this

617
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,760
goofus keeps falling off the
couch.

618
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,840
Eventually it's going to add up
and then you'll be, then you'll

619
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,800
be treating the symptoms, you
know what I mean?

620
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,120
Then it's too late often to go
down the line versus I don't

621
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,920
know, I just don't trust any
food to cover all the bases.

622
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,880
Even these foods that I love, I
rotate constantly.

623
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Maybe I'll get a bag of Primal
for my cats.

624
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,000
I do vital essentials, I do
Oma's pride, their whole prey

625
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,880
grinds.
I do small batch.

626
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,080
I'll be in the Christmas tree.
Swear to God you got my son's

627
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:25,000
like kindergarten ornament.
Not puppy proofed.

628
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,160
I don't know what I was
thinking.

629
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:32,000
Oh my goodness.
You know, and I, I am obviously

630
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200
over paranoid and and that's not
realistic for people to buy a

631
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,400
different brand every time, but
I'm like at least think it.

632
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,760
Is unrealistic.
I mean, I so there are with

633
00:36:43,760 --> 00:37:01,000
Camden and like I've already fed
him Savage cat roar roar OC raw

634
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,720
Otis, like he has had green
juju.

635
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:10,040
He has had a lot in the three
months that I've had him and

636
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:15,920
different proteins and I I mean,
I just, I don't if you have a,

637
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,440
you know, a local and indie pet
store that carries multiple

638
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,280
things or that can that we'll
order for you.

639
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:26,600
I don't think it's unreasonable
you.

640
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,120
Can get I mean you could get
doctor Harvey's on Amazon you

641
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,680
can get I don't know if you can
get these very often but they

642
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,000
they have their own website now
you can go with the link in my

643
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,680
bio.
They ship straight to your door.

644
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:42,200
They have like 14 different
proteins and it's the same thing

645
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,720
with intolerances.
To all these vets telling people

646
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,200
and like, oh, pick one food and
don't ever change it.

647
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,160
Go from the puppy lamb and rice
to the adult lamb and rice to

648
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,800
the senior lamb and rice.
That's the best way to go.

649
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,480
And I'm like, who?
Why?

650
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,560
Why did we get there?
Why did that conclusion?

651
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,240
Because a dog got diarrhea when
you change their food after

652
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,800
they've been eating the same
protein for like 75 years.

653
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,040
Right.
I know, I know.

654
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,200
It was actually I had a follow
up with a client the other day

655
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,240
whose dog ended up having to go
into surgery for a foreign

656
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:19,080
object obstruction.
And we had spent almost a year

657
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,240
going through rotation and
elimination and getting, you

658
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:25,280
know, figuring out the foods
that this dog does best on and

659
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,960
rotating foods and finding like
adding more and more and more so

660
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,000
that he was getting a good
rotation.

661
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,440
And the first thing the vet
tells her is like, Nope, I need

662
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,640
you to either either put him on
this single protein diet and

663
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,680
never change it or put him on
the hydrolyzed protein diet.

664
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,000
And I'm like no to either
please.

665
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,360
Hydrolyzed protein is like one
step above starvation.

666
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:55,600
Yeah, yeah, it drives me nuts.
I get it as a Band-Aid fix as a

667
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,480
person with an itchy dog, a
mystery itchy dog, which is

668
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,400
maybe not so mystery anymore,
but I get it.

669
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:09,280
But use it as a Band-Aid and
then or even like a vegetarian

670
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,000
food use it as a Band-Aid.
But honestly, I'd rather you

671
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,320
feed plain chicken or something
for a while.

672
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,200
Yeah, same, same.
We do that a lot.

673
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,560
Grape dried feather meal or
whatever it is in the hydrolyzed

674
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,560
protein.
Yeah, the people that are like

675
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,320
my dog's not hydrolyzed protein,
he does so good.

676
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,200
We've been feeding it his whole
life.

677
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:34,480
And I'm like, you're poor dog.
You're poor dog, I know.

678
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,280
Again, I I see veterinary diets
as a tool.

679
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,760
Well, and we also we have
multiple companies now that are

680
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,440
creating healthier versions of
what the veterinary diets are

681
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,040
trying to do.
So we have Medicus veterinary

682
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,800
diets.
Goodness gracious has their I

683
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,080
always get it wrong.
Like was it?

684
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,360
They're like, I don't know what
it starts with an R.

685
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,040
They have a line of products
that are designed to, you know,

686
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,640
use whole food nutrition to
mimic what they're trying to

687
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,720
accomplish and better.
I think Darwin's has some raised

688
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,320
right.
I think has some like there's.

689
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,160
How are raised rights like
pancreatic diets and stuff like

690
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,000
that?
Yes.

691
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,040
So there are options out there
now, thank goodness.

692
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,080
Yeah, I.
Don't know why it took people so

693
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,480
long to get there, but I know
it's it's hard, especially the

694
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,840
FDA like does not like it.
They'd rather you slap together

695
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,920
a bunch of synthetic nutrients
and call.

696
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,880
It I'm just going to chew on
your microphone.

697
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,840
Check 1-2 Check.
OK.

698
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,960
So that actually kind of leads
me into the final topic that I

699
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,480
had for today, which is just a
discussion on like where these

700
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,120
big pet foods are going.
They're showing us they're

701
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,200
they're transitioning, not
completely transitioning, but

702
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,680
that they are opening up into
the fresh food market.

703
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,760
And I think this is going to be,
I don't know, it's either going

704
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,280
to be very difficult for them to
go to veterinarians and say,

705
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:08,640
Spike, we were just kidding here
we have this fresh food now, or

706
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,360
they're going to take it to
veterinarians and they're just

707
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,760
going to be like, Yep, whatever
you say.

708
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,600
Their argument's going to be
that like, while we were losing

709
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,520
them, we had to be inclusive to
bring these people back into the

710
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,880
fold before we lost them to the
devil that is raw food.

711
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,360
Like shut up, thirsty Ball.
I don't.

712
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,280
I just like, it's so hard for
me, I think, to comprehend the

713
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,400
like fear of fresh food.
And I mean like, I know people

714
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,480
like that breeder putting that
like raw, raw diet recipe out

715
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:41,920
there.
Like it's fact.

716
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,400
Those are the people that ruin
it.

717
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,680
And the people that are like, Oh
yeah, I just crock pot chicken,

718
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,600
rice and peas and my dog loves
it.

719
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:56,280
Yeah, there's I'm sure they do.
But excuse me.

720
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Yeah, I'll bet they do.
And I'll bet it your dog will

721
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,160
probably be very healthy for a
very solidly long time until

722
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,920
something insidious starts
sneaking.

723
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,480
And because you're not doing any
kind of iron, you're not doing,

724
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,320
you know, as well meaning as
those are, you're kind of

725
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,520
ruining it for us, like those of
us that are fighting for respect

726
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,280
from professionals, you know,
and to have like Green Doo Doo

727
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,040
did a feeding trial, I believe.
And there's a couple other ones.

728
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:29,120
But to have legitimate companies
putting out honest to God whole

729
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,920
food products.
And say what you want about HP.

730
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,040
Yeah, I'm not mad at it.
I.

731
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,520
Think it allows Steve's did
research on the HPP to find what

732
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,440
settings and how they can do it
without causing nutritional

733
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,960
differences.
And I know that green juju

734
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,520
doesn't as well.
Some people do bacteria phages,

735
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:53,560
but OK, that immediately checks
off the well.

736
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,120
Your dog's going to get
salmonella.

737
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,200
First of all, this is so
rigorously tested.

738
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,800
You're going to get salmonella
from lettuce before your dog

739
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,160
sing it.
Going to get salmonella from

740
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,680
this, Plus you're handling it
like a maniac and you're leaving

741
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,960
it on the counter for a week
before you feed it to your dog.

742
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,600
Well, I don't.
Like I personally, I have a

743
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,120
healthy, relatively healthy dog
and so I do feed green juju, but

744
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,880
I don't feed it exclusively
right?

745
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,800
And I don't, I have fed Steves,
but I don't feed it exclusively.

746
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:27,240
I have found with client dogs
and even with Kim to some

747
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:33,680
degree, that the older they get
often times either if they have

748
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,840
like a disease state, especially
if it's something to do with

749
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,000
their GI tract, or as they age
some dogs tend to do a little

750
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,760
bit better on a gently cooked
food.

751
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,760
Yeah.
And I actually find that HPP has

752
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:55,200
been like a stepping stone, like
going from a raw diet to an HPPD

753
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,800
raw diet.
Like they can get a couple more

754
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,600
years on a raw diet with an HPPD
food.

755
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,600
Because I have no science to
back this up, but I feel like

756
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,520
I've noticed it with so many
dogs now that it's just easier

757
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,520
for them to digest.
Yeah, I mean, I know for my

758
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,760
seniors, I'm going off of kind
of what you would say, the woo

759
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,480
woo, you know, the energetics
and stuff.

760
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,880
But I think that my dogs have a
lot more energy and a lot more

761
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,320
vigor when they're eating warm
foods.

762
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,560
So that's why I really liked
doing the Doctor Harvey's.

763
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,360
I would rehydrate that with a
hot water.

764
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,760
They did amazing on that.
And then I'd give them like a

765
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,600
big hunk of pork loin and, you
know, rotate the fats and things

766
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,960
like that.
Even the Steves when we're doing

767
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,800
that, I have a kettle.
I just flipped that on and I

768
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,160
think I did a whole reel about
this.

769
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,320
It's not complicated.
It's just like add hot water, do

770
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,240
dog food.
But I always let it sit and at

771
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:55,200
least let it get up a little bit
because, you know, I used to be

772
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,880
a person that would Chuck a
frozen Patty at my dog and be

773
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,600
like, oh, enrichment.
And it can, I mean, think about

774
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,720
the the nerves that fire off
when you eat a big chunk of ice

775
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,600
cream and it slows your gut.
It can cause some inflammation.

776
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,320
And at the very least, you know,
we're trying to reduce the

777
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,600
amount of neurological stress on
senior dogs.

778
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,520
I have two somehow, by the grace
of God, extremely healthy minus

779
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,760
the stinky toe. 2 extremely
healthy, extremely vigorous 13

780
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:33,840
plus year old dogs.
And yeah, you have to shift a

781
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:34,880
bit.
You have to pivot.

782
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,720
I am so pro fresh food or like
gently cooked food.

783
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:41,640
My only downside is it like, why
does it always have carbs?

784
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:46,280
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Well, especially things like

785
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,760
that for people.
Why does it always just have so

786
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,360
many potatoes or rice or I'm
like, yeah, take that out and I

787
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,000
would love it so much more.
I know well and I think the

788
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,440
Fermenta, if you're able to get
a fermented food, that's going

789
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,400
to be a little bit easier to
digest as well.

790
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,200
But Kim won't eat it.
I wish she would.

791
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,840
She just the fermented food that
we all know and love on the

792
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,480
market right now.
She just won't eat it.

793
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,320
I wish she wanted.
She just won't.

794
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:19,320
But yeah, so I just had a like,
I haven't used 1/3 of the notes

795
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,520
that I, I put together for today
either.

796
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:27,320
But just in 2025 alone, The
Hills, which is Colgate

797
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:33,200
Palmolive, bought Prime 100,
which is an Australian raw food

798
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,280
brand.
Granted, from the research, from

799
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,800
what I remember the research I
did about this, it's like a chub

800
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,280
of meat with a bunch of
synthetic vitamins and minerals

801
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,680
in it.
So it's kind of right up their

802
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:45,920
alley.
Like they're not.

803
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,520
It's code compliant but right
wrapped at Chinese.

804
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,480
New Buffalo, which is General
Mills came out with in the

805
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,040
summer of this year, they are
expanding into fresh foods as

806
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,560
well as well with Love Made
Fresh.

807
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,680
And they actually tried to come
on the podcast and I was like,

808
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,440
thank you and I thank you.
Take your life for its bits and

809
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,800
get out of here, you crazy great
royal.

810
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:14,960
Canaan is launching Fresh Health
Nutrition, which is gently

811
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,640
cooked a new fresh line.
It looks like they're going to

812
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,240
start it in Chewy or they did
started in Chewy maybe in the

813
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:25,680
summer.
Chewy launched its own fresh

814
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,400
brand called Get Real in
September.

815
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,320
And then General Mills is
continuing trying to buy up some

816
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,640
of our brands that have been
maybe not amazing, but on the

817
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,480
better side like Tiki.
And then let's see.

818
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:48,440
Well, I obviously, I mean just
the fresh food brands, the treat

819
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:53,440
companies with products similar
to mine, raw foods, whatever.

820
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,120
I feel like they are just
popping up everywhere because

821
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,080
people know that there's a
market for it right now and

822
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,000
they're playing on the trends of
it, which I think is the

823
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,360
dodgiest reason to get into
making foods again.

824
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,360
You are playing around with an
animal's life by just getting

825
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,840
into nutrition because you want
the money.

826
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,840
That's not something to play
around with while they're

827
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,640
they're popping up everywhere.
And I'm it's hard to see some of

828
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,440
these that I'm like, Oh my like
you might as well be feeding a

829
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,520
kibble with with how synthetic
and and unhealthy this is.

830
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:36,800
However, devil's advocate, I'm
glad that we are mainstreaming

831
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,720
it.
Yeah, because we're you know

832
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:45,800
what I mean It it is shifting
the tide and I'm grateful for

833
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:50,800
that.
So I think that the was it hills

834
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,280
or somebody did that a fresh
food with a gently cooked coming

835
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,920
out similar to fresh pet.
So royal.

836
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,640
Canin is doing a gently cooked.
Shoei is doing a gently cooked.

837
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:08,720
While, while I think that it's
not going to be, yeah, good,

838
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:16,920
yeah, we are now going to
capture kibble feeders that have

839
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:24,520
been die hard hills or whatever,
feeders for their lives.

840
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,640
And we're going to kind of
influence them.

841
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,800
And then maybe they'll see a
raised right commercial or a

842
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,800
goodness gracious, and then
they'll find a brand like that.

843
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,160
I like anything that does open
people's minds.

844
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,080
Like for myself, I carry sweet
potato chips and chicken jerky

845
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,480
and they're not bad, but they're
not something I really want to

846
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,040
make.
They're time consuming.

847
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,240
They're not exactly super
profitable because I'm using

848
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,280
higher quality, but it's
familiar for people.

849
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,080
I bought your chicken jerky this
last time.

850
00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:59,440
I will say just because Kim is
so picky.

851
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:03,760
It's super great for cats too.
It's thin and I use like human

852
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,280
grade chicken, but like, it's
not that special, you know what

853
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,120
I mean?
I'd rather focus on my really

854
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,080
cool, nutritious things and
whole prey chunks of meat, you

855
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,440
know?
But I have to bring people in

856
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,160
and I do find that a lot of
people are like, wow.

857
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,600
But then they'll buy like the
pork and apple bites because

858
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,920
they're cutesy.
Mm hmm.

859
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:31,400
And that is a sales tactic.
But for me it's a ethics backed

860
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,000
sales tactic because then you
start you like the pork and

861
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,800
apple and then you start to
trust me.

862
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,520
And then maybe next time you try
a pork hide chew and then you

863
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,440
swap out your rawhide rolls for
pork hide rolls.

864
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,400
And then maybe after that you
try a beef scapula.

865
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,600
Or then after that, you know,
you go up, you go from chicken

866
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,480
jerky to a chicken foot and then
you're like, yeah, my dog likes

867
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,040
this.
And then and you know, you're,

868
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,120
you're in this weird little
rabbit hole that we live in, you

869
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,560
know, and that's why I love for
me the carnivore crates,

870
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,280
bringing in these brand partners
like micro dog, CBD, dog health,

871
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,920
Who else?
Today in Clover research, I

872
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:15,760
captured people with the treats
and then I'm introducing, I call

873
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,920
it like I'm putting tools in
their toolbox.

874
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:22,360
I'm influencing in a good way.
I think, you know, and these are

875
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,480
all really good brands that I'm
excited and I'm proud to show

876
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,200
them to these people that have
trusted me with their dogs

877
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,000
health, you know, by buying my
treats.

878
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,840
And I think of it of like
really, really cool peer

879
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,880
pressure.
Sometimes the drug is something

880
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,040
that's going to be really good
for your dog, you know, and I

881
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,280
just think that that's that's
like that whole rant video that

882
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,120
I did about influence.
Sometimes influence isn't a bad

883
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,160
thing.
Sometimes it's OK to be sold,

884
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,800
but then look about what is
what's driving that decision.

885
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,560
Yes, obviously I need money, I
need to pay my bills, but I'm

886
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,240
not going to do dirty money, you
know, and there's a lot of us

887
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:03,880
out there that are like that.
There's a lot of us.

888
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,080
And those are all brands that I
like to work with people like

889
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,400
yourself and all these other
amazing friends that we've made

890
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:16,000
throughout this whole process.
It's so cool to see people that

891
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,520
are successful for, cuz there's
a lot that aren't, as we've

892
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,640
discussed in this video, there's
a lot of them that aren't.

893
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,080
And the, you know, the food
industry, everybody now I'm

894
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,560
talking like investors and
they're like, yeah, well, you

895
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,920
know, it was suggested.
We, we saw that there's a lot of

896
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,080
money going into the pet food
industry and started to get

897
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,760
involved.
I'm like, leave if that's why

898
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,000
you're going to talk to me.
Yeah, yeah, I.

899
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,560
Don't want your money, dirty
money and you got bad, You're

900
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,240
going to push me to make bad
decisions for profit, you know?

901
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:48,760
Yep, Yep I know.
What was it I saw the other day?

902
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,280
I think it was.
I think it was a quote from RFK

903
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,920
Junior.
He was like there are 4 meat

904
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,320
Packers in this country and then
BlackRock owns all of them.

905
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,360
Another reason to just buy from
a farmer.

906
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:05,320
No, I would love to buy a whole
cow, but we are, you know, I'm

907
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,280
not exactly rolling in it.
We're basically a 1.5 income,

908
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,240
you know, family.
It's, it's hard for people to

909
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:17,000
dish out that sometimes all I
can afford is whatever I can get

910
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,520
at ALDI that week and maybe then
we could do grass fed.

911
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,120
And it's it's hard because I
just wish that the industry was

912
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,920
honest for people.
Yeah, I know it is.

913
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,160
It's really hard.
I don't know who I was talking.

914
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:36,080
I was talking to MNT yesterday
and I was like, I can't imagine

915
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,040
not knowing what I know.
But there are definitely days

916
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,680
where I'm like, man, I wish I
didn't know any of this because

917
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,240
it is.
It's heavy.

918
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:44,520
It's.
Heavy.

919
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,440
I was just thinking that I'm
like, God, everything is ruined

920
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,960
for me.
I can't go out and see a dog and

921
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,400
just be like, oh, look at that
dog.

922
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,280
I'm like, that's a fat dog.
That's really a bummer.

923
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,520
I hope that they address that
before that dog dies prematurely

924
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,240
or like blows an ACL because
it's so deficient.

925
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,960
Like it's it's I don't like
being like that.

926
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,080
But you know, it's like there's
so much that's ruined for me,

927
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,600
but it's it's good.
But yeah, what is that heavy is

928
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,760
the no that's a like a king
quote or something like.

929
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,520
It is, yeah.
But I mean, it's, it's real, I

930
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,200
know, but I'm the same way.
I see a dog and I'm like, and

931
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,640
the first thing I first thing I
see when I see a dog is what

932
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,240
kind of color they're wearing.
There's like a prong collar on a

933
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:33,240
dog.
I'm like, oh God, my poor baby,

934
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:34,920
my poor baby.
I'm so sorry.

935
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:40,480
If used correctly in certain
dogs as it can be a good tool.

936
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,080
People hate on head colors too
but if trained you know.

937
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,080
But yeah, it's like, I can
recognize a prematurely neutered

938
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:53,120
dog from a mile away.
Those like, stick straight legs.

939
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,120
Poor confirmation.
I know.

940
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,080
And it sucks because it's the
dog that suffers.

941
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,680
But yeah.
And then you have to find a nice

942
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:06,120
way to like, oh, are you having
some joint issues?

943
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:09,080
That's I've had great success.
I mean, like, I've straight up

944
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,120
lied to people to come up with a
relatable way to not come off

945
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,760
like preachy because it shuts
people down.

946
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:19,520
It does.
And then at a certain point you

947
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,200
also need to accept like, I'm
not going to win this one.

948
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:27,800
Like in the comments of some,
gosh, what was that one?

949
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,520
I also said in the group where
like the vets were like, see

950
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,920
this bone, this is going to kill
your dog, this leg bone.

951
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,480
And it was like a Turkey neck.
And then like, yeah, it was it

952
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,400
was that was the big show.
I had to at least hop in and

953
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,040
point out somebody's like, raw
food companies are so

954
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,400
unregulated.
And I'm like what?

955
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,920
I beg to.
Differ really which one to an

956
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,880
AAFCO meeting lately?
Yeah, I'm like, I think that

957
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:59,440
they are heavily regulated.
But yeah, yeah, it's it's hard

958
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,840
sometimes you have to just say
like, I'm not going to win this.

959
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,720
Here's my piece.
You're not going to win some.

960
00:56:05,720 --> 00:56:09,680
It's the same with like the I
won't say the magic word, but

961
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,960
the job debate.
You know, kindergartner, I'm

962
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,880
done.
Yeah.

963
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:21,240
Well, and, and I just saw, I
don't remember which, I, I have

964
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:27,760
so many emails that I get that
are like either veterinary

965
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,800
Medical Association related or
pet food industry related.

966
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,360
I, it had to have been one of
the like AVMA or something

967
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:39,400
emails.
And it was literally the, the

968
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,960
whole point of the e-mail was
talking about how influencers on

969
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:47,040
social media are lying about the
self replicating mRNA vaccines.

970
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,840
And it's like, you have no
longevity in your studies

971
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,800
whatsoever.
How do you know that anybody is

972
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,760
lying about anything?
But and then there is one

973
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,400
veterinarian that I saw do it, a
video about it, about there's

974
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,680
nothing wrong with them.
But she's also the same one that

975
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,360
I had to block because she was
just like literally trolling me.

976
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,960
And I'm like, do you have
nothing better to do?

977
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,440
Like how about you go take this
nutrition course instead of

978
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,840
trolling me if you have.
All this time, yeah.

979
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,640
I like to.
See vets on social media

980
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,040
sometimes and it's not even like
I like to see the ones that are

981
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,320
saying the things that I, you
know, it is education is never

982
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,640
bad.
Yeah, I think it doesn't always

983
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,040
go the way that I would like,
you know, but it's hard.

984
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,160
I think also like it's so easy
to discredit someone by saying

985
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,200
you're going to listen to
somebody on the Internet without

986
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:51,040
a degree when I know the fact
that like through experience and

987
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,400
talking to people and going to
these events and all of the

988
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:59,520
independent research and
education that I have, I know

989
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,800
that I'm speaking the truth.
I know that I'm speaking based

990
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,800
on fact.
But then you have certain

991
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:14,000
influencers out there that are
just louder and it's hard.

992
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,200
It's a hard one because it is.
It's easy to say.

993
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,320
I kind of agree.
Sometimes you listen to people

994
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,840
and you're like, oh, you have so
much power and you're promoting

995
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,920
chicken and rice or whatever.
It is bad.

996
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,760
A certain couple out there right
now.

997
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:38,960
Yeah, Yep, yeah, I know.
Yeah, I have AI have a whole

998
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,880
theory on that one.
But anyway.

999
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,960
Yeah, that drive me nuts.
Yeah, yeah, the reach they have

1000
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,440
though I, I'm sure it's not as
much as it was at one point,

1001
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,440
but.
I don't know.

1002
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,320
Really.
It's just so funny because I saw

1003
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:56,840
someone referencing their book
for raw feeding.

1004
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,960
I'm like, yeah, book tour and
now you.

1005
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,880
Are sure that publisher is
thrilled.

1006
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,120
Yeah.
All right, well.

1007
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,360
Yeah, is there anything else we
missed in the ranting?

1008
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:16,120
You know, I mean, probably
1,000,001 things, but I think I

1009
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,320
think we talked about what we
came here to talk about at

1010
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:21,680
least.
And yeah, I mean, I think I

1011
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,640
think next year is going to be
very interesting.

1012
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:27,280
You know, obviously these
companies, big companies are

1013
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,080
getting in fresh food.
And I I'm with you.

1014
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:37,120
I'm like if if it's going to get
somebody off of kibble and onto

1015
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:42,000
a gently cooked, even if it's
the same quality of ingredients

1016
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,200
mixed with synthetics, at least
that's a stepping stone.

1017
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,560
Yeah.
And like now they're now

1018
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:53,520
they're, they've probably seen
like just the difference in the

1019
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:57,400
moisture content, what that's
going to make in their pet, even

1020
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,640
though that's not they're not
going to realize that's pretty

1021
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,400
much all it's going to be.
But even that can make a huge

1022
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:08,120
difference for the pet.
And then you know, if we can

1023
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:13,760
then bring them over to.
The bright side, not so dark

1024
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,320
side.
Yeah, right.

1025
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,560
And you know, just, it is about
making incremental changes.

1026
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:25,800
I know when I first switched to
feeding raw food, I had already

1027
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:27,320
been feeding fresh food for a
while.

1028
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,360
But I was that person that was
like, I was just throwing stuff

1029
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,440
in her crock pot.
And I had, I was still feeding

1030
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,280
kibble because I knew that it
wasn't balanced.

1031
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,040
And I was like, I don't know
what I'm doing.

1032
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,720
I'm just wanting to feed you
real food and I don't know how

1033
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,560
to do it yet and that kind of
thing.

1034
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,200
So once I actually transitioned
to raw feeding, it was literally

1035
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,280
think, I think I went live on my
YouTube channel like every day

1036
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,560
for 30 days and like, this is
what I learned today for.

1037
01:00:55,560 --> 01:01:00,240
And so and every day I was just
learning something new to OK,

1038
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,120
how am I actually going to do
this right?

1039
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:06,000
Ultimately, I'm like, find the
commercial food is how I'm going

1040
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,480
to do it, right?
That was pretty much how I went.

1041
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,440
I was like, that's it.
We're making our own food.

1042
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,320
And I was doing great.
I was buying beef tongue and

1043
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,880
kidney and heart and you know.
It's a lot.

1044
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:25,440
It was so much and I still was
like, am I doing the right form

1045
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,960
of vitamin E?
It's a lot.

1046
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,080
And I'm grateful for calculators
and I'm grateful for people that

1047
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:36,760
can formulate A balanced diet.
And I work with a lot of people

1048
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:40,480
like that and, and it's great if
you can afford that.

1049
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,280
And then you have the ability
and the time and the money to

1050
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:48,920
complete a diet on your own.
And it's then there's people

1051
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:50,840
like it doesn't have to be
balanced every day.

1052
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,560
I agree.
My dogs sometimes eat treats

1053
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:59,280
like when we camp my dog's
treats I just bring a giant bag

1054
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,640
of body parts and then like.
Maybe some?

1055
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,760
Dried food or I'll bring, yeah,
maybe I'll bring like my Doctor

1056
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,600
Harvey's and then I'll just feed
them rabbit legs and meaty

1057
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,440
things all day.
And then whatever they're

1058
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,920
diagnosed, you know, serving of
the Doctor Harvey's just to give

1059
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,520
him a little bit.
But honestly, you don't have to

1060
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:22,200
eat balanced every single day.
Is it maybe ideal but like

1061
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,560
eating, I don't.
Even know that it's ideal, like

1062
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,280
I really I don't even know that
it's ideal.

1063
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,360
Like that's not how animals eat
in the wild.

1064
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:38,160
But I think it's just a slippery
slope with like OK, no, I also

1065
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:42,600
agree that AFCO is not the end
all be all and that we don't

1066
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,760
need to feed a balanced diet
every single day.

1067
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:50,520
But that slope comes down to,
OK, but you still have to be

1068
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,240
responsible enough to know what
you said yesterday and the week

1069
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,280
before and the month before so
that you're rotating and you are

1070
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,600
doing the things to make it
balance over time.

1071
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,520
And that's that in itself is
something that I think a lot of

1072
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,800
people just don't have the
bandwidth for, especially if

1073
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:10,960
you're, you know, working 60
hours a week and you've got

1074
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,920
three kids and you're doing all
that and you're like, I love my

1075
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,760
pets, but this is too much.
There are some days that I'm

1076
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,920
like, I wish that I could just
must be a kibble feeder.

1077
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,760
You know what I mean?
I wish I could know better even.

1078
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,040
Yeah.
Like Camden is like, God, what's

1079
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:28,360
there's so many supplements and
I'm like, don't worry about

1080
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:31,240
them.
Just like I'm not going to make

1081
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,560
my poor mother-in-law do the 800
supplements.

1082
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,440
I'm going to dose out the
important ones.

1083
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,920
But like, it's not that big of a
deal.

1084
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,600
Yeah.
I wish that I could just scoop a

1085
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,320
food, but I wouldn't do that for
myself.

1086
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,120
Yeah.
Why?

1087
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:50,560
How could I write?
I wouldn't.

1088
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,200
I definitely wouldn't do that
for my kid.

1089
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,520
I feel stressed out.
Just give him a granola bar, you

1090
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:58,000
know, How could I do that for my
pets?

1091
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,880
And so for me, the grind is
worth it.

1092
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:02,840
But at the same time, yeah, I'm
not made of money.

1093
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,160
Dinner time around here is
chaos.

1094
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:11,000
We have 4 cats and luckily
somehow I have trained Wilder to

1095
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,120
feed all the cats eating raw
food and everything.

1096
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:18,320
He's like, OK, so one scoop of
raw food for you, 2 scoops of

1097
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,160
raw food for you, and he's like,
mom, where's the spoon?

1098
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,120
I need the spoon.
Is this the right measurement?

1099
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,200
You know, he cracks me up.
He's like, are we doing broth

1100
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,080
today?
You know, cracks me up.

1101
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:31,160
And I'm like, thank God I was
the only one feeding everybody

1102
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,000
for so long because then like
the dogs now being seniors, they

1103
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:38,080
get their supplements and it's a
little bit more of an evolved

1104
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,680
process now.
Scarlet's on medicines and it's

1105
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,440
a lot to do that and to
remember.

1106
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,440
Do you know how often I forget
to thaw their frozen food?

1107
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:50,880
Like once a week minimum.
And I'm sitting there, it's on

1108
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:54,520
my mind pet platter, which makes
it thaw a little bit faster, but

1109
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,560
then the cats are on it so I
don't have to hide it in the

1110
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,600
oven.
And it is a lot.

1111
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,240
And I, when people are like, I
just like don't have the time

1112
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:03,840
for that.
I'm like, no, I get that.

1113
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,000
I get that.
You're going to have to adjust

1114
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,520
your schedule a little bit
though if it's worth it for you.

1115
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,320
To me it just is.
How important is your pets

1116
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:17,920
longevity and holistic health?
It is, I know even like my

1117
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,360
sister-in-law is like, yeah, I
don't think I can feed Kim the

1118
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,040
way you feed Kim right now.
Because after the year we have

1119
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,320
had like both of our health
suffered this year.

1120
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:33,440
And I did a bunch of testing on
her and I've kind of come to the

1121
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,600
conclusion that like there was
enough inflammation in her body

1122
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:42,960
that so she had a previous
Ehrlichia and ordeal, I don't

1123
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,760
know, at some point she was from
Mexico.

1124
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,040
So obviously she was bitten by a
ticket some point.

1125
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:50,320
And I've never had a problem
with it for the 10 years I've

1126
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,360
had her.
But all of a sudden I'm just

1127
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,800
seeing like little things
happening and I'm like, OK, I, I

1128
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,960
don't want to get to a point
where she becomes symptomatic

1129
01:05:59,960 --> 01:06:03,680
with this, you know, because
you, you can't ever get rid of

1130
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,160
my understanding or like, yeah,
it's just always there and

1131
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,680
hopefully doesn't, doesn't pop
up.

1132
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,800
Like the symptoms don't pop up.
But I'm like, I feel like we're

1133
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:16,040
getting close.
I felt like we were getting

1134
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,800
close.
And so I literally have like an

1135
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:25,880
entire like tick borne illness
prevention protocol with her,

1136
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,680
her food.
And we're doing something

1137
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:30,920
different literally every night
of the week just because I'm

1138
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,480
trying to get that rotation in
there.

1139
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:37,040
Like I'm feeding different
colors of vegetables every night

1140
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,560
and different like I'm doing all
of these things and it's

1141
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,880
temporary, right?
But it's I feel like it's

1142
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:46,720
important for me to do this for
her because I put her through

1143
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:50,640
this year and I don't want these
symptoms to start popping up.

1144
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:52,560
And she has had a couple of
things.

1145
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,840
So what?
If you have the capability to do

1146
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,480
that, hell yeah you hear 800
supplements.

1147
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,560
Do all of your protocols.
Rotate your foods daily, count

1148
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,320
your colors of vegetables.
Amazing.

1149
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:07,400
And then like, I think it's
important for people reading.

1150
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,480
I think the dangerous thing is
when people take that and they

1151
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,680
put that all over their
Instagram, like how you should

1152
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,720
be feeding your dog, that is not
realistic.

1153
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,080
So many people, you're going to
cut people off.

1154
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,400
But to say like, I have the
ability to do that and that's

1155
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,200
amazing.
Right now I'm at a point in my

1156
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:28,040
life where I keep some kibble
for when we need to send the

1157
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,280
dogs to whatever and she gets a
little bit of it.

1158
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:35,080
We have a big dog and you know,
to expect somebody to you have

1159
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:38,240
to soak this food.
Then the way out, you know, how

1160
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,280
many ounces of this with two
pumps of this and then this and

1161
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,920
this and this.
This powder is just not

1162
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,640
realistic.
And I think that being flexible

1163
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,080
with that is OK.
One of my favorites is like

1164
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,400
fresh broth for us for some
reason.

1165
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,880
Like I just, it goes in the
fridge and it's dead to me.

1166
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,960
And like, I was so sick of
throwing out good broth that I

1167
01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:01,520
paid money for.
Yep.

1168
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:06,680
So do I know that the dried
broth is not as good?

1169
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,880
Probably.
We don't know that.

1170
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:12,320
I've got some for it.
I'm going to try it.

1171
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,439
Yeah.
Like I, I'm assuming that

1172
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:20,640
anything that's processed is not
as good as the raw, right?

1173
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,439
Or even broth is not raw, but
not as good as the fresh.

1174
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,920
Having that powdered broth that
I can just like scoop, scoop,

1175
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,800
scoop, whatever, add some water.
It allows me to do that to where

1176
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:34,960
normally I would just say like
we, we just can't do broth.

1177
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,120
I just, I never finished it,
whatever.

1178
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,600
And I think that, yeah, being
flexible.

1179
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:41,960
Is that the, is that the theme
here?

1180
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,680
Just allow your thought be
flexible.

1181
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:49,359
Yeah, I have this like bin that
I put in my refrigerator that

1182
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:53,240
has everything in it for Kim
that it needs to be

1183
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,120
refrigerated.
I have a separate one for all

1184
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,120
the like, stuff that doesn't
need to be refrigerated, that

1185
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,359
stays out on the counter.
And so I just grabbed the bin

1186
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:03,479
out of the fridge and like, she,
it's her food and her broth and

1187
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,439
whatever.
And that way I'm not like

1188
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,880
forgetting things and they're
not getting stuck behind things.

1189
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,200
And I'm like this.
Is like 6 month old bottles of

1190
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:15,120
kefir in the back.
I'm like, it's a living food,

1191
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:16,439
right?
It's just, yeah.

1192
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,000
I mean, in theory, yeah.
And I think a.

1193
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:23,439
Lot of like you're saying, I
think a lot of it is setting

1194
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,760
yourself up for success with it.
Figure out a routine.

1195
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,520
Yeah.
If it's worth it to you, then

1196
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,600
you will find out a routine.
You'll find a way to make it

1197
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,319
work again.
Object permanence not great for

1198
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:35,040
me.
The cabinet was not a good place

1199
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,880
for supplements.
However, I bought little

1200
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,120
magnetic shelves in our feeding
nook.

1201
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:41,960
And then like having the kettle
where I can just flip it on as

1202
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,840
I'm passing by and if I end up
back there 30 minutes later,

1203
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,080
whatever, maybe I'll flip it
back on.

1204
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,880
Set yourself up.
So there's so many ways to not

1205
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,960
end up giving up and ending back
on the convenience food.

1206
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,040
It's going to take a little bit
of a tweak, but going straight

1207
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:02,960
to DIY raw is probably going to
ruin it for you.

1208
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,960
If you got through that and your
DIY amazing, good for you.

1209
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:10,400
I know I wasn't strong enough.
I know.

1210
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:14,240
Oh my gosh, me either.
Me either.

1211
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:17,680
And like, I'm not squeamish.
But what's funny is like I did a

1212
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,640
video one time where I was doing
a DIY meal prep and everybody

1213
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,280
was like, the way you're holding
the liver.

1214
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,520
And I'm like, the liver doesn't
bother me, but apparently the

1215
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,720
way I hold it makes people think
it bothers.

1216
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,720
Me liver's a weird one.
It's squishy.

1217
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,840
It is a weird texture for sure
it.

1218
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,000
Reminds me of like an oobleck
where it's like liquid when

1219
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,840
you're not pressing it, but then
it's like hard when you are

1220
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,320
working it.
Yeah, yeah.

1221
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:43,000
I don't know.
I don't do organs, if you've

1222
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:46,120
noticed.
Yeah, I know it's.

1223
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,400
All right, lady.
Yeah.

1224
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:53,160
I can go in forever but.
I know, yeah.

1225
01:10:53,440 --> 01:11:00,200
Well I think be flexible, try
fresh things, be open to change

1226
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,880
and just think about whether
your pets health I think is

1227
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,880
worth a slight amount of
inconvenience while you figure

1228
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,880
out your routine.
Yeah, Yeah, it is.

1229
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:13,000
By the way, it is worth it, I
think.

1230
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:13,880
Stop.
It is.

1231
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:16,400
I agree.
Stop consciously.

1232
01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:19,800
I that's I'm like, if I can push
people to do anything, I don't

1233
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,360
care what decision you come to
based on your research, at least

1234
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,640
research and come up with an
educated decision not driven by

1235
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:29,800
ads.
Yeah, I know that shiny object

1236
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,880
syndrome can really like before
you know it.

1237
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,440
Like if you look back over the
past year, if you have spent

1238
01:11:36,440 --> 01:11:39,360
hundreds, maybe thousands of
dollars on supplements that are

1239
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,200
sitting in your cabinet, what
could we have done with that

1240
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,040
dude before going to buy those
supplements?

1241
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,280
Man, that is such a huge.
That's a big one for me.

1242
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:53,560
Can't out supplement a bad diet?
No, cannot.

1243
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,720
Yeah, they're they're feeding a
kibble with 800 supplements.

1244
01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,880
Like girl, just go buy a case of
Steve's right?

1245
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,880
And like, feed the tiniest
amount.

1246
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,440
I don't care.
Crack an egg in there.

1247
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:07,920
Yeah, so.
Pop up.

1248
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,240
BC was here watching, he says.
Don't beat yourself.

1249
01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:12,480
Oh, you were just reading it.
Yeah.

1250
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:15,240
Don't beat yourself up if you
can't do the best every single

1251
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:16,920
day, I think.
You know what?

1252
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,840
If nobody died, you did pretty
good that day.

1253
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,160
But did you die?
Yeah.

1254
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,880
But did you die?
We're both Libras.

1255
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,120
But did you die?
I am.

1256
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:32,920
I'm such a shit show, honestly.
I'm like, there's I now pay

1257
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:36,480
somebody to be like, hey, did
you, did you get this done?

1258
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:42,280
And I'm like, no, no, I didn't
because I'm on my third virus of

1259
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,200
the week, you know?
Yeah.

1260
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,920
Well, a little one.
Yeah, yeah.

1261
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:52,160
And now apparently I needed more
bodies to add to the chaos of

1262
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,560
Christmas.
I'm already doing all the

1263
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:58,280
Christmas shopping.
All right.

1264
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,160
Well, thank you so much for
joining me, Warren.

1265
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,960
It is always a pleasure to talk
to you hopefully.

1266
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:07,920
Did your.
Oh wait, what day is it?

1267
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,920
Maybe not till Monday.
I was going to say I sent you a

1268
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,240
package but it might not get
there until Monday.

1269
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:14,600
Oh my God, I need to do the
Wellness test.

1270
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:16,200
I'm doing it.
No.

1271
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:21,760
I don't know if you saw my story
that I posted filing a complaint

1272
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,360
against.
I don't know if it's the mico

1273
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,680
dog or what, but that's the only
thing I can think of that I've

1274
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:28,880
like tweaked.
I went to like a higher dose of

1275
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,680
the, I think we're on vitality
now.

1276
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,720
Sunshine is such a menace.
I I'm like, are we having a

1277
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,040
Benjamin button?
She's so naughty all of a

1278
01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:40,280
sudden, Like it was always a
known fact that I can put her on

1279
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,080
the couch and she'll be on the
couch when you get back.

1280
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,040
I can put her on the bed.
She'll be there.

1281
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:47,520
All of a sudden she's jumping
down, ripping through bags of

1282
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,760
stuff, jumping up to grab bags
of groceries down, shredding

1283
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,120
through it, getting into the
trash, zooming around.

1284
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:56,560
Yeah.
Barking Barks.

1285
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,880
No.
I'm telling like I with Kim, I

1286
01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:04,200
did start adding the clarity,
but I also started Totonics and

1287
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,240
I really think that has made
such a huge difference for her.

1288
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:10,720
It's and it's not expensive.
Yeah, like.

1289
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:15,440
Such a huge difference.
Anyway, not an ad.

1290
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,440
Yeah, not an ad, I just.
Hashtag not an ad.

1291
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,040
I like ads, you know, personal
ad first things that actually

1292
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,360
work.
And that was my whole rant

1293
01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:28,800
about, yeah, influence too.
I'm like, it's OK to be

1294
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,760
influenced sometimes.
If they're actually good

1295
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,520
products, then how do you judge
it?

1296
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:36,280
It's hard.
It is hard.

1297
01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:40,760
All right, Well, thank you so
much, Lauren.

1298
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,760
Girls gone Wrong.
Ugly dog sweater and.

1299
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:49,400
It's so cute though, all right?
Three terrible weather.

1300
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:55,280
I appreciate you and thanks for
wrapping up 2025 with me.

1301
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:58,640
We'll talk again in 2026, I'm
sure.

1302
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,720
Hopefully we can get you
involved in the current war

1303
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:02,520
crate next year.
Oh.

1304
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,680
My gosh, yes, I've got to.
I've got to do that.

1305
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:07,840
January is going to be a really
good one.

1306
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,280
I'm just like we already started
planning for it, which I'm not

1307
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,720
usually this ahead of it, but we
started planning products.

1308
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,800
I'm really excited.
It's gonna be a good one.

1309
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,680
I think so.
That's amazing.

1310
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:17,600
I love it.
All right.

1311
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:18,520
Thank.
You.

1312
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,920
Thank you.
And yeah, I'm sure we'll talk

1313
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,360
again in 2020.
Six, I'll probably, yeah, talk

1314
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,920
to you in like 2 hours, but
importantly, talk, talk on the

1315
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,360
right, right.
All right, Thank you.

1316
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,720
Thanks for dealing by 85 breaks.
See you later.

1317
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:33,120
Bye bye.