233. Can Mushrooms Help Senior Dogs Think Better? CCD Study Results w/ CBD Dog

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Hey there, it's Jess.
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Welcome back, pet parent.

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As you know, because I talk
about it all the time, Kimberly,

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my dog is, she just turned 12.
We just celebrated her 12th

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birthday and I have had her
since she was about 2 1/2 years

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old.
I decided based on all of the

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information that I had that she
was probably born sometime in

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October.
So Halloween is like my favorite

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holiday.
So I decided her birthday is

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Halloween.
That's when we celebrate.

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So she just turned 12.
And The thing is that anybody

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that looks at her, anybody that
interacts with her for years and

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years and years, nobody believes
me about how old she is.

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They're like, no way.
She's still a puppy because she

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has puppy energy and she's
blonde, so it hides the white

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fur really, really well.
But I notice because she's my

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dog and I'm with her all day
every day that they're

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definitely, I mean, granted,
we've talked about this, it's

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been a real 2025 has been a very
tough year for a lot of people.

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I was not excluded from this.
I in fact, I feel like I was

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like the maid of honor.
It's somebody who's I don't know

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what was happening, our moment
this year, but it's been

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stressful.
And I've definitely noticed that

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Kim, like I'm, I'm seeing that
she's aging a little bit and

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just various things that she's
doing.

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And so I've been changing up a
few things in her routine.

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One of the things that I
recently started her on is

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Mycodogs clarity, the mushroom
blend that they have

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specifically because she's
aging.

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And so my guest today is Carter
Easler.

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He is the director of research
and education with CBD Dog

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Health and Myco Dog.
And we are going to talk about

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something really.
And I, when I say this is cool,

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this is like the coolest thing
that I know that anybody in our

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space has done in a very, very
long time.

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They have actually put together
a study showing the benefits of

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specifically their Clarity Blend
from Mycodog.

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So, Carter, welcome first of all
to the pet parents.

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Jessica, happy to be here.
We like we were saying before we

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started here, this has been a
long time coming.

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I get to see you like a few
times a year.

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It's always a delight at these
different, you know, learning

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conventions and industry events.
And I feel like you are always

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like right in there at the
source of information that is so

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helpful for pet parents.
So I'm, I'm grateful that your

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show exists.
I'm grateful that you exist.

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So happy to be here.
Thank you.

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Well, I'm thrilled that you're
here because yes, I feel like we

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have been trying to do this for
a very long time and it's just

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been so much of been going on
and you were actually a very big

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participant in getting this
study done like this was your

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baby.
This is my baby.

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I want to talk all about this
study, but before we talk about

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this study, we have to talk
about the history of CBD dog

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health and Myco dog.
So you know, Angie has been on

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the podcast before.
We talked about it a little bit,

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but it's been a while.
So I'd like to give people just

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kind of a refresher of how CBD
dog have started and then

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branching into Myco dog and you
know the reason behind all of

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it.
Yeah.

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So it, it is like, it's been
like a really vital part of my

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life for the last seven years.
My, my work with, with Angie

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and, and learning and teaching
about adaptogens and hemp and

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fungi.
And it, for me, it all started

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when I first met Angela at her
rescue farm for senior dogs and

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farm animals, Fireflake Farm in
Florida.

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And she'd already been operating
this rescue for over 10 years at

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that point.
And so I came into this kind of

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like magical paradise, like
tucked into the woods in, in

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Florida where she had all these
old dogs that were thriving and

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all of these, these, all these,
this kind of menagerie.

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And so I got to live and work
there and kind of watch what she

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did.
And you know how people would

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come and they would drop an old
dog off on the door and they'd

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be like, listen for, for a
variety of reasons.

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But so often, like, you know,
my, my mother, whose dog died,

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my mother died and this is her
dog.

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Or I've spent so much money and
I'd literally just can't afford

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it anymore.
I've the vet told me that

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there's nothing I could do.
And they would leave these dogs

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with us and with Angela on the
farm and, and depending on the

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dogs or the animals, one time
she got 15 chickens were just

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left.
They were these fluffy little

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chickens.
They were so cute.

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And I would watch her adapt her
strategy and use the different

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holistic modalities at her
fingertips to really care for

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these animals in a very
individualized way, using the

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things that I have always been
passionate about.

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You know, the using nutrition
and medicinal cannabis mushrooms

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that I have always been a huge
passion of mine.

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And we just kind of like fell
right in step with one another.

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And our passion for, for
learning and for the, the why

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behind the use of these things
just kind of meshed.

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So I've been, I've been working
with, with these herbs and

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mushrooms and with Angela for,
for a while now.

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And this has been one of my
favorite things that I've gotten

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to do, making having this
research to, to be something

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that I could focus on and, and
work with our veterinary team on

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as a principal investigator is
so exciting.

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Well, I think first of all, just
anyone, anyone who has the the

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the opportunity to speak with
Angela ever is like, you just

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get drawn into this like, yes,
Utopia, like actually exists and

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like, oh.
Yeah, her passion is electric.

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Yeah, it's kind of amazing.
But the reality of the products

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and obviously, you know, nobody
comes on here to be like buy my

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product, right?
But the reality of the products

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that CBD dog Celtic microdog are
putting out on the market, they

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are beneficial, I feel like for
every mammal in so many

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different ways.
Absolutely.

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I mean we have evolved alongside
these, the reishi and the Hemps

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and the lavenders for millennia,
for millions of years.

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And so they are a vital part
that we must integrate into our

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health systems because it the
this kind of area of it being

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removed from us is new.
That is as in the last 100 years

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as we've moved into this
structure of society that we're

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now in, which is really
different from how it used to

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be.
So like, this is not, it can

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seem like, whoa, mushrooms are
so big right now.

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This is just a return to normal.
And with that comes a lot of

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learning.
There's a lot of learning.

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There's a lot of unlearning
about, you know, what is

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medicine?
What, what is the difference

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between the mushrooms that I'm
getting at the grocery store,

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which love them, cooking them
every day for myself and my dog?

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What's the difference between
that and a practitioner grade

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therapeutic extract of different
functional mushrooms that have

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different therapeutic profiles,
different purposes?

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And how do we make them in such
a way that they are going to be

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the the most potent, the most
effective, the safest?

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And there are both, you know,
again, thousands of years of

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traditional use that we can look
back to for guidance.

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And now more, more and more
frequently.

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We have really great evidence.
We've good science that is

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confirmatory of what we've
always known.

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You know what is, as Angela
says, the original medicines.

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Yes.
Well, and I want to talk about

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that science.
But before we talk about that

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science, how does micro dog look
at what you just said?

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What is the difference in a
mushroom that you're getting at

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the grocery store or even maybe
at your farmers market?

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What is the difference in the
mushrooms that you're getting in

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say a micro dog tincture?
And how does that you get it

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from a mushroom into this liquid
form that we're giving to our

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pets?
OK, well, I before I just ramble

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on forever, I will catch myself.
I also I've got like a a handout

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that I can give you.
That's just my hit list on if

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whether you are looking for a
mushroom extract for yourself,

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for your pet, for your your dad
who forgets his keys everyday.

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This is a hit list that I'll
I'll send to Jessica that is

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like just the top factors in
something that's going to be

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really high quality, safe and
hopefully effective.

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The first thing, the first kind
of main difference between what

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you're going to find in your
Bella mushrooms at the stop and

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shop and something like a dual
extracted reishi mushroom from

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the fruiting body is, you know,
the first thing what what was it

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grown on?
Was it grown for the purpose of

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growing fast and full?
You know, think, think like our,

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our mutant chickens, are they,
are we growing this thing to

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just like produce as much as it
can as fast as we can so we can

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get it to market and make money
on it or sell it?

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Not saying that our grocery
store mushrooms are bad, not

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saying that they're, you know,
that it's just a different

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purpose.
Like is it, is it for just kind

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of a food stuff?
I would argue that our food

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should be as organic and, and
well sourced as possible.

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But regardless, there's a
delineation between that and

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something that is for
therapeutic use.

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You know, you, you, it's just
like a different scale of focus.

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And so as I was saying, what
it's grown on is kind of #1 for

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me, different mushrooms natively
grow from different substrates.

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Substrates are like whether it's
hardwood or leaf litter or dung,

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they grow on different
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And it's important to recognize
what they're getting from those

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different substrates.
Is there the, the, the

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bitulantic acid that's in Birch
trees, you know, the, the

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different nutritional compounds
of, of these different

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substrates.
And so when we're growing these

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mushrooms fast and fierce, most
of the time they're being grown

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on oats, rice grain, industrial
byproducts like wood pulp and

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those things.
While you can grow chaga on wood

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pulp or, or oats, it's not going
to have the same chemical

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constituents and molecular,
molecular makeup, forgive my

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science overload, but without it
growing on kind of the right

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stuff, that's, that's kind of #1
And that is if you can find out

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that at the beginning, that will
cut away a lot of the fat of

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what you're looking for in a
medicinal mushroom product.

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That's, that's really key.
And it makes sense, right?

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Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And I think I want to talk about

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some of the things that we are
looking for to say, OK, you

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know, you have a few different
blends.

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You also have some like
individual, you can just buy the

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individual mushroom tincture.
But the blends for me is like

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where it's at, like these were
put together for a reason, for a

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purpose.
They work really well together.

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They kind of that's.
That's one of the points on my

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hit list is you want to be using
a blend of mushrooms, you want

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to rely and take advantage of
the synergistic properties with

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combination of different
mushrooms because as as we

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talked about there, there's
different specialization between

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them.
There's also a lot of overlap in

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the therapeutic properties.
Many of the different mushrooms

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are immunoregulatory, They
balance inflammation, they're

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good for, they've been shown in
research to be beneficial for a

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whole host of different types of
cancer.

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So there's a lot of overlap and
then there's specialization.

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When you use them together, the,
the whole is greater than the

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sum of its parts basically.
So the reason that we have those

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single extracts is just for, for
the most part for like kind of a

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fine tuning of the focus, you
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know, my dog has respiratory
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I've got them on breathe, but
she's getting a little older,

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getting a little little slower.
Let's add a little bit of lion's

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mane to that and, and have that
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individual dog's set of needs.
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recommendation.
So I just want to switch gears a

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touch sure before we get too far
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mushrooms because that's.
Yeah, you just cut me off

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because I I get into like
science mode and I just start

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ranting.
You're I well, because we're

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going to talk about the senior
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That's kind of the, the point
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what I am so excited about.
But I want, I don't want to

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ignore that a full spectrum hemp
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beneficial for our dogs.
Still, so many people are scared

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of it.
And I say this like I forget

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sometimes.
I have certain people in my life

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that will remind me very often
that they're like, not everybody

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knows what you know.
I, I have to be reminded of this

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so often because I'm just like,
this is this feels like common

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sense to me.
And it's.

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Not necessarily.
For most people, in fact, like I

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was literally talking to my mom
earlier this year about one of

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her animals and herself, and I
was like, well, I know you

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bought that bottle from CPU dog
health because I sent you the

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link, blah, blah.
I know you got, I know you have

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that at your house.
Use it.

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And she's like terrified even
for her dog because where she

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she's, she works for a
government contractor and they

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have just like, scared the crap
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About yeah, the testing and the.
Yes, about weed, like she

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doesn't understand the
differences and so if you can

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kind of explain that a little.
Bit Oh my God, we could have a

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whole conversation on, on this
topic, but it has to do with

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the, the unlearning.
It's, you know, we, we are

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really coming out of 80 years of
prohibition and coordinated

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concentrated attacks on not only
hemp and and CBD, but pretty

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much anything that was
competitive against industry,

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especially the Pharmaceutical
industry throughout the last

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century.
So like that's, that is not me

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just like griping that is
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We all know there's all the
guests on your, your podcast,

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they get this, but you know,
there is a fear of this stuff.

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natural modality, just as with

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pharmaceuticals, there is a safe
and effective way to use them.

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And it's about being
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as a therapeutic tool.
So really like while there is a

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way greater safety profile among
these things, it is super

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important that you are getting
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Cause 1 hemp extract is not the
same as the next.

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And even at a high quality, even
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of quality, some strains of hemp
are going to have very different

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effects from other strains
because it's CBD is not CBD is

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not like that.
CBD is 1 molecule.

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We are talking about the full
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plant with thousands of
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So that's why with CBD Dog
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strains of hemp for different
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support as like kind of a
companion to a mushroom, you

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know, we're going to have
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which has been studied for its
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memory in both humans and dogs.
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there's that big difference can
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your strategy.
So when you say there's for

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example, you just said if
there's like a higher

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concentration of CBG, for
example, you're still talking

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about this is still a full
spectrum hemp product.

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Can you tell me why people want
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think that can be confusing too.
If you're like, well, we have a

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higher concentration of CBG in
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Right, right.
That can just sound like we're

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sprinkling more of that in that.
Or is it not full?

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Like I think people get
confused, Is it not?

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Is it full spectrum?
Is it not full spectrum?

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Where are you?
I think people get really

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confused about that.
Totally.

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OK, well, think of like, let's
let's go apples to oranges.

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Are you having a Honey Crisp?
Are you having a Macintosh?

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Are you having a navel or are
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These are genetic variations on
a plant that produce different

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fragrances.
Flavors have different just

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overall chemical makeup.
At the same thing is true of

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hemp plants.
You got you got different

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flavors out there and so they
they have different compounds.

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CBG is one of over 141 unique
cannabinoids, CBDCBGTHCV, you

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know CBN, they are all
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CBD and THC are the most
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So in any full spectrum extract
you're going to see high content

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of CBD.
But then if it is a true full

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spectrum, you should have a
breakdown of a bunch of other

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what we call minor cannabinoids
like CBGCBN that have their own

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therapeutic benefits.
And so in any extract, you do

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want it to be in its most raw
and unprocessed form because

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then you're going to get that
incredible diversity of not only

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cannabinoids, but terpenes like
beta charyophylline, fantastic

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for inflammation, studied for
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flavonoids like quercetin, you
may have heard of great

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immunoregulator, really good for
itchy dogs.

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So we want all those different
compounds and when we start to

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isolate them, when we, you know,
have somebody who is rightfully

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scared like your mom because of
the the onus that's been put on

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her, like if we detect.
A Micron of THC in your blood,

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you lose your job.
People are scared of it.

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We're totally reasonably, but we
start isolating it.

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We get it down to a broad
spectrum where we've taken THC

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out, not just THCTHC comes out
of that thing with a bunch of

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other stuff.
And then we get down to isolates

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where it's we basically tried to
make a pharmaceutical drug out

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of a plant and we're we've we've
lost the plot.

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You know, it's like it's, it's a
totally different thing at that

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point.
So, yeah, I mean, and, and just

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as like a final thing on it,
it's like the safety profile of

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this plant in its unadulterated
form is incredibly high broad

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therapeutic window, meaning you
don't have to land on a specific

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dosage really, you can be in
this range and high safety

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profile.
It's really amazing.

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So just kind of knowing what the
properties are, having a little

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bit more knowledge about like
what's going to be what, what is

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my pet need again, And I'm
sorry, I'm I'm to go on, but the

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same principles apply to how
we're extracting our mushrooms.

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We want the broadest spectrum of
those naturally occurring bio

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active molecules that work
synergistically as possible.

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So different set of kind of
practices because each plants

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are very different from fungi
and certain fungi have ways that

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they need to be extracted.
Certain plants do better in

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different extraction methods,
but we want to rely on

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traditional use and science to
to hone that in on what is going

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to give you the best outcome.
And sometimes that sometimes

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that's more expensive.
You know, sometimes you can go

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like, OK, well, why is this one
this much?

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And why is that one that much?
And it's like, well, did they

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grow it in like a a dank
basement in a plastic bag?

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Or was this grown in an old
growth forest in the Pacific

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Northwest on its native
substrate, you know, harvesting

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the, the fruiting body, the,
the, the, the place where

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there's the most, the greatest
concentration of all those

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beneficial molecules or the, the
just the buds, the flowering

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buds of the hemp plant.
Again, where there's all the

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good stuff is are we, are there
any like fillers?

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How how look at the look at the
ingredients, how many like

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fillers and flow agents and
other stuff that's in there for

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the basically for the ease of
manufacturing shipping, storage

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like that.
It's a lot of it is superfluous

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and and unnecessary, but there
are parts that are like is that

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we don't want to compromise on.
Well, and I think today,

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especially our dogs and cats are
the sickest they have ever been.

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And you know, a lot of I, I do
hear a lot of people like they

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want to cut corners, they want
to save money.

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The economy sucks right now.
I get.

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It it's rough.
But at the same time, we live in

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the most toxic time ever that we
know of on our planet.

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And so to be more discerning
about when you are going to go

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out of your way to buy certain
types of supplements for your

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pet, as an example, like, why
not take the extra step and yes,

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probably a little extra money up
front to say, OK, I know my dog

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or my cat is sick.
And I know that dogs and cats

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are sicker than they have ever
been in the history of us having

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domesticated these animals or in
the process of domesticating

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these animals, as I like to say
with our cats.

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And say, like, OK, I want to
actually pick a product that is

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the safest, it has the best
efficacy.

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I know it's the cleanest.
And that's one of the things

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that I have loved about CBD Dog
Health and Mycodog in my years

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in the healthy pet space is that
I feel like out of pretty much

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any company that's out there, I
have learned more from you guys

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than anybody.
We're doing our job then, 'cause

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they like, I, I feel you like
it's, it's rough out there and

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there's a lot of information
that we're getting.

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We're overloaded with
information about, you know, it

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really, it can just be easy to
kind of be like, damn, things

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are bad.
But at the same time, we have,

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we do have greater access to
information than we've ever had.

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And there is a huge renewed
interest in how we can use these

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things.
And I, so I believe that if you,

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if, if you just train yourself,
I, I, I work on myself every day

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when I'm like, Oh my God,
there's another thing I don't

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know that, you know, that is
not, but that doesn't have to be

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like, damn, I don't know enough.
That is, hey, this is something

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else I can add to my tool belt.
And with each thing that you add

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your tool belt, you get, you get
better at incorporating it and,

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and you are able to better spot
the gaps in your strategy.

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So like it's, it's progressive,
you know, it's not like you're,

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you're not starting at square 1.
And so I believe that if you

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just take it step by step, learn
as you go, you may need to hear

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something repeated a number of
times.

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And someday you might, it just
might click on something that

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you'd forgotten you had kind of
in, in the back of your mind.

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Yeah.
We just got to be gentle with

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ourselves, 'cause I 'cause I
find the same thing.

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I meet people like, I had this
vet come up to me recently at a

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show and we were talking.
She's like, well, I just don't

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recommend CBD because you know,
it's, it's it's toxic.

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And I was like, OK, and like,
just like, hold myself back.

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This is we can greet this in a
gentle way.

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I'm like, I would love to hear
you.

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Yes, I'm I'm like, I'm so
curious what, why?

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Why that?
Why you think that?

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Right.
Yeah, good.

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Because like I always like I,
I'm really careful with myself

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to, not, to not overreach and to
make sure that I fully

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understand it to, to be a
discerning eye and look at the

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science, like figure out where
people are bullshitting.

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Basically, like where is the,
where is the bullshit?

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Let's let's put our bullshit hat
on, be like, OK, does this make

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sense?
What is the information that

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they're providing to justify me
spending 50 to $100 on something

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like that's not nothing.
I, I, I'm, I'm relying on this

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and, and like my best friend is
sitting there not feeling their

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best.
And I'm that like that's, it's

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personal.
It's, it's deeply personal.

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And so I get why people are kind
of like.

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Yeah, yeah.
Well, and I want to say before

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we jump into the senior dog
study, I, my sister has goldens

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and we know most goldens are
going to, if they live long

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enough, they're going to have
cancer.

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And this was actually a golden
that her husband came to her

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with, but she bonded with
really, really deeply.

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And he did get cancer for I will
say the first time I think in my

445
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,760
life, even though people in my
family come to me all the time

446
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,320
and ask me advice all the time,
it never gets taken.

447
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,160
Well, this time she came to me
and she asked my advice because

448
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,600
she was just devastated that her
dog was just diagnosed with

449
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,240
cancer.
And literally the vet was like

450
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,840
maybe a couple of weeks, like
maybe you got a couple of weeks,

451
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,680
right.
And so I was like, all right,

452
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,240
here we go.
Had her put him on a ketogenic

453
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,560
diet.
I incorporated CBD.

454
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,880
I incorporated much I like CBD
dog health and micro dog and a

455
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,280
few other things.
And she got almost 8 more months

456
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:52,200
with this dog and I'm like, I'm
just so I was so thankful one

457
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,840
that she decided to take my
advice, not because it was my

458
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,280
advice, but because she got so
much more time with this dog.

459
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,760
And it was very little.
Like literally I just was like,

460
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,760
here you go.
Here are some recipes, some, you

461
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,560
know, ketogenic recipes here.
These are the supplements I'm

462
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,360
recommending you give him.
And she said I'm doing 100% of

463
00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,560
it.
I don't care because I love this

464
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,800
dog so much.
Right, sometimes it like it

465
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:22,720
takes that shock event to spur
the kind of drive to be

466
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,760
consistent, to make those
changes that seem really big.

467
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,640
And then once you've done that,
it's, there's no going back.

468
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:34,360
So I'm, I'm excited that she has
taken the dive and, and, and so

469
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,680
heartened to hear all the all
the success that they've been

470
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,920
having because it's, you know,
it, it there is.

471
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:49,920
Sorry, just waiting for siren to
pass so loud.

472
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:57,320
It's OK.
Yeah, there is real change that

473
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,120
we can affect.
You know, these, these natural

474
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,480
elements are, are no nonsense.
It can really make a difference,

475
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,440
and quickly.
Yeah, yeah.

476
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,400
Oh my gosh, yes.
Very quickly, Yeah.

477
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,760
Talking about making a real
change in your pet's life, I

478
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,040
said at the very beginning of
this podcast, Kim just turned 12

479
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,760
years old.
And so there are a few things

480
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,640
that I'm changing because I
finally like now that we're

481
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,360
getting to the end of the year,
I finally feel like I have a

482
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,360
little bit of bandwidth back in
my own life and in my space to

483
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,080
actually do the things that I
have been doing for so many

484
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,800
years with her.
But then this year was just

485
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,840
crazy and and a lot of things
kind of fell by the wayside.

486
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,640
And then I started, like I said,
I started noticing that like,

487
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,440
OK, there were signs of aging
that I had not seen in her

488
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,480
before.
So one of the things was that I

489
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,920
started adding my godogs clarity
and to I just give it to her

490
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,640
with her food, which I know
there are lots of different ways

491
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,640
we can do it, putting it
directly on their gums, like all

492
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,080
the things.
But this is where I am at life

493
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,880
right now.
I'm putting things in her food.

494
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,560
It's actually totally fine for
you to put the mushrooms in in

495
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,560
the food that's recommended in.
Fact and clarity is what you did

496
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,720
the senior doc study on correct?
Yes, that's correct.

497
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,560
So it's a it's a blend of lion's
mane, Cordyceps, reishi and then

498
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,960
two other adaptogenic herbs,
Ashwaganda and Bacopa monieri.

499
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,480
So OK, you have said the word
adaptogen a couple of times.

500
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,840
Can you tell me what it is?
Yeah.

501
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,080
So I like to frame it kind of in
a this or that kind of way where

502
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,000
a let's think of like a, a
common pharmaceutical like an N

503
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:50,000
said like Remedil or carprofen,
A molecule that is a specific

504
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,360
molecule with a unidirectional
effect in the body.

505
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:59,800
It, it affects kind of one thing
and it and it's often a really

506
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,400
kind of like either it is
disrupting it and completely

507
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,000
turning it off or, or it is up
regulating it to quite a

508
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,680
significant degree.
When we talk about herbs,

509
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:17,680
plants, fungi with adaptogenic
properties, what that basically

510
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:23,040
means is they are communicating
more on a systemic level with

511
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,160
the body's various functional
elements.

512
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,640
And so that's almost kind of
like a filter often to the

513
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,960
downstream effect.
And what they are doing is they

514
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,600
are adapting to the specific
needs of the body.

515
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,280
The it's, it's relying on these
networks and, and frameworks of

516
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,600
function in the body, whether it
be the immune system, the

517
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,560
neurological system, it's just
bringing them back to balance

518
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,880
basically.
So whether that needs that is a

519
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,120
stimulating effect or a
depressive effect, it will adapt

520
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,840
to what the body needs in that
moment.

521
00:31:54,880 --> 00:32:01,160
So herbs like Ashwagandha
adoption, Reishi adaptogen, hemp

522
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,960
adaptogen, but they're really
cool and, and you'll find a lot

523
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,480
of herbs and plants that have
adaptogenic properties and there

524
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,160
are, and there are also many
that don't.

525
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,640
There are many that are much
more unidirectional, albeit less

526
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,160
kind of narrowly focused, than
something that is more isolated

527
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,760
and refined or synthetic.
Or synthetic, which is a whole

528
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,440
other topic.
Whole other thing.

529
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,000
Whole other thing.
So what are so if, if somebody

530
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,360
is looking at their dog and
they're going, I wonder, I'm

531
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,040
just wondering like I've, I've
noticed some of them changes,

532
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,480
they're getting older.
What are some of the things that

533
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,240
you would be looking forward to
say?

534
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,360
You know what clarity would be
great for this dog.

535
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,920
Yeah, it's.
It's so fascinating because the

536
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:52,600
process of aging can be so
different for every animal,

537
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,600
every person.
And so the scoring criteria that

538
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:02,840
we used in the senior dog study
was a really broad look at kind

539
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:09,560
of the main components that
classify CCD, canine cognitive

540
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,760
dysfunction.
And so the behaviors that we're

541
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:18,360
looking at are things like sleep
quality, energy and activity

542
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:23,480
during the day, eye contact,
appetite.

543
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:31,600
Are they able to perform the
commands that you have taught

544
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,600
them and that you've been used
to doing so for instance, one of

545
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,880
the dogs in our study, she is a
13 year old scent hound.

546
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:46,200
Her name's Jesse and she, her
her pet parent was a like long

547
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,800
time breeder and trainer of
these scent dogs.

548
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,240
This Jesse was kind of like the
matriarch of this of this brood

549
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,040
and and she was amazing scent
dog like like top in the class

550
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,840
awards.
And as the last year or so

551
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:06,360
progressed with her, she started
losing the trail and not being

552
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:11,480
able to perform her same tracks
and and new ones that were very

553
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,600
much at her level.
And this is the dog that was

554
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,800
kind of the model that that they
would use with the other dogs to

555
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,159
train with.
So, you know, it was very like

556
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,760
personally for them really hard.
They love, you know, they love

557
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,639
this dog so much.
And to see her kind of losing

558
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:33,440
her way is really scary.
But she, she, she was able to

559
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,760
sleep better through the night,
which we know is so important

560
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,920
for recovery in the brain and
immune system all over the

561
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,560
place.
She was able to kind of be more

562
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,199
present, more playful with the
younger dogs that were starting

563
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,560
to occur a little bit.
And she started doing her

564
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,800
courses again and being able to
complete them little by little

565
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,480
over the course of our sixty day
study.

566
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:59,000
And so she's she's doing well.
She's still on it now.

567
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,840
We check in every once in a
while.

568
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,560
But yeah, that is so, yeah.
Your your question was what can

569
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,960
it look like?
A lot of different things.

570
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,960
And you know your dog best when
there are little changes

571
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,200
happening.
Pay pay attention to that.

572
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,960
And another thing that I learned
from the study too, is like,

573
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:21,680
wow, the benefits of having data
to to like not have to rely on

574
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,120
my little caveman brain to
remember every little thing that

575
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:30,200
happens in my dog's life and
then contextualize it in weeks

576
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,840
and months.
Like you said, we are all so

577
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,520
busy.
And it's in these down times

578
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:40,520
that I'm like, Archie does look
a little fat in the back.

579
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,120
But but you know, the having in
the study, the ability to track

580
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,640
their sleep, their rest
interruptions, their daily

581
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,800
rhythms, pacing activity levels
through the day using this 24

582
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,760
hour monitoring device that we
had on all the dogs in our

583
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,840
cohort that gave us and these
pet parents real grounded

584
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,040
information of like, Oh yeah,
she, she is having less sleep

585
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,920
interruptions.
She is more active during the

586
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:13,360
day that it's not, but that
being then coordinated to the

587
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,800
weekly reports that everybody
was doing, asking this long list

588
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,080
64 questions that are really
specific that we're doing once a

589
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,800
week.
To be able to correlate that

590
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,960
with the hard data is very
confirmatory and kind of like

591
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:32,040
not only paints the human
experience of it, but the actual

592
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:39,280
quantification of those changes.
I was, I'm so glad that like you

593
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,360
kind of drew that out a little
bit because I was literally

594
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,520
tearing up when you were talking
about Jesse.

595
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,240
Because what was going through
my mind was that so many of us

596
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,240
just accept a lot of these
symptoms and kind of brush them

597
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,360
off as it's just part of old
age.

598
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,040
It's just part of growing older.
And we don't have to accept

599
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:05,920
that.
It's not like just because it's

600
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,320
common doesn't mean it's normal.
And I know there's a lot of a

601
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,760
lot of people.
I actually have been in a debate

602
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,160
with people online.
Like I don't really debate

603
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,840
people online.
I think it's such a waste of

604
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,920
time and energy.
Yeah, like.

605
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,560
I, I have done this before
because people are like, that's

606
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,160
common and normal mean the same
thing.

607
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:30,840
I'm like, no, like this is this
is the part of of like where we

608
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,280
are now in society that is
wrong, that is falling apart,

609
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,200
that like we do not have to
accept that this is just a part

610
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,600
of aging for our dogs.
Right.

611
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,920
Yeah, I I completely agree.
It's it's so funny you bring

612
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,880
that up.
I was, I was talking to somebody

613
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,240
else about this last week.
It's the the idea that we have

614
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:53,000
to become old and decrepit is
just in a response to a

615
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,560
degenerative lifestyle piece of
information that came from our

616
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,640
researches.
The dogs who had the greatest

617
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,400
improvement, who had the most
success, most return to

618
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,680
stabilization, where this middle
chunk on our, our kind of scale

619
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,320
of severity, the dogs in the
middle cohort really saw the

620
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,920
greatest improvements, which is
kind of what we know

621
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,600
intrinsically.
You know, if we can catch this

622
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:25,040
stuff earlier, we can do a lot
more in terms of expanding their

623
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,320
longevity.
And so I, I really think that

624
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,400
that is kind of the, the other
side of the scale of this kind

625
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,440
of mindset where degeneration
is, is just how it goes.

626
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:41,160
What if we shift the lens to
look at what is generative

627
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,840
health?
What, what are the practices

628
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,680
that we were doing that
literally in our bodies are

629
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:54,840
encouraging Genesis create new
pathways, creating new cellular

630
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,480
energy, new, you know, more
muscle more more like

631
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,600
neurogenesis in the brain,
literally creating those

632
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,080
specialized nerve cells that
communicate through electrical

633
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,120
energy throughout the body.
And that's what some of these

634
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,120
mushrooms have been studied to
do.

635
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,720
Lion's mane is it's so cool.
One of the one of the coolest

636
00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:20,200
things about lion's mane, you
like RIP it in half and it looks

637
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,440
like a brain.
It's so cool.

638
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,240
It look like there's a stem at
the bottom and then these like

639
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:29,920
soft tendrils that go out into
this like fanned Dome.

640
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,560
It's looks like a brain.
It's great for the brain.

641
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,280
So it's both neuroprotective
protects those neuronal

642
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,400
connections and stimulates the
genesis of new ones.

643
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,880
You can study these different
biomarkers in the body.

644
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,680
In the body has previously been
heavily researched for NGF nerve

645
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,920
growth factor.
In our study, we looked at

646
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,360
another more novel biomarker of
neurogenesis called BDNF which

647
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,080
is brain derived neurotrophic
factor and we're able to measure

648
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,000
increases in neurogenesis
basically.

649
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,880
That's incredible though, I I
feel like everyday you could

650
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,000
learn something new about a
mushroom and spend the rest of

651
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,840
your life.
Learning Oh yeah, Oh yeah,

652
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,360
they're so cool yeah I love my
other favorite one is Cordyceps.

653
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,240
Cordyceps is like the yellow
stringy ones They're like,

654
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,760
they're often called like the
zombie mushroom 'cause there's

655
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,080
there's what's that show The
Last of Us.

656
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,040
It's like an alternate horror
universe involving fungi.

657
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,520
But Cordyceps are amazing for
basically their ability to

658
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,440
number one, increase blood
oxygenation, just fantastic for

659
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,880
the brain, more, more oxygen in
the brain.

660
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,480
Sign me up.
And then the other thing is

661
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,080
helping with just creating
energy on, on like the

662
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,800
mitochondria level of our cells.
So allowing these mitochondria

663
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,840
to create more of those building
blocks of energy that are then

664
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:05,600
used in the cellular level to
the tissue, to organs and, and

665
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,400
also Cordyceps is often used.
It really is like a vitality

666
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,000
stimulant.
Basically athletes in human

667
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,000
studies often use it.
It's been shown to increase

668
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,360
respiratory capacity in, in
athletes by up to 10% with

669
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,960
regular use.
So there's, there's so many

670
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,680
benefits to it.
And especially for an old dog, I

671
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,240
love this combination of
mushrooms that kind of target

672
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,560
different, different parts of
the experience of aging.

673
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,560
You know, are they slowing down?
Are they, are they in more pain?

674
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,040
Are they just like not as
bright?

675
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:44,280
Well, reishi can help you sleep.
It's got a great calming effect.

676
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,760
It's great for for stress and
inflammation.

677
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,440
Cordyceps, that vitality,
bringer oxygen energy, lion's

678
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,000
mane, just like open up the
pathways and protecting the

679
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,520
nerves.
It's such a cool relationship

680
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,680
between them and one more
ashwagandha.

681
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,080
I love ashwagandha.
The studies have shown that

682
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:09,480
ashwagandha can reduce cortisol
up to 30% cortisol, the stress

683
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,120
hormone.
So a lot of this focused on

684
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,640
sleep and sleep was one of the
main changes that we really

685
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,000
measured throughout this study.
So essential.

686
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:23,360
So, OK, tell me more about the
study because I, I think I just

687
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:29,240
saw a clip where Angela was
talking to the veterinarian that

688
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:35,320
y'all worked with and like he
has a long history in doing

689
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,720
studies and in pharmaceutical
studies as well.

690
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,200
So it's not just like, oh, we
found somebody who already

691
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,360
speaks our language.
Like you went out and you were

692
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,560
like, let me show you.
Absolutely.

693
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,640
Yeah.
So we were, we were looking for

694
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,680
the right group, the right vet
to work with to guide the

695
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,320
clinical side.
I mean, this is a full clinical

696
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,480
study and we needed somebody who
knew how to do this, who could

697
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,200
do good science that would be,
that would stand up to peer

698
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,160
review.
And Doctor Joel Ernstweig at the

699
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,360
Veterinary Health Research
Centers, he has, he's been a vet

700
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:15,320
for over 30 years.
He's been working in clinical

701
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,280
research specifically for about
15 years.

702
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,000
And most of the most of the
products that he was working

703
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,000
with, most of the the novel
ingredients were pharmaceutical,

704
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,400
nutraceutical as things have
progressed in the last, you

705
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,440
know, decade for him.
And then we were truly his first

706
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,160
fully natural.
I, I mean that word is has lost

707
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,920
so much value.
But you know, whole whole plant,

708
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:58,860
whole fungi extractions.
I'm actually I'm probably moving

709
00:43:58,860 --> 00:44:01,540
soon and I'm going to be facing
the same issue and I'm like what

710
00:44:01,540 --> 00:44:04,340
am I going to do?
I don't mind it until I'm on

711
00:44:04,700 --> 00:44:06,380
somebody's show and I have to do
that right.

712
00:44:06,980 --> 00:44:09,660
Yeah.
If it's live and I'm like, well,

713
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:11,980
you talk for a bit.
Right.

714
00:44:12,460 --> 00:44:14,540
Yeah, exactly.
OK, where were we?

715
00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:15,340
Yeah.
So he.

716
00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:18,760
Yeah.
So this was this was new for him

717
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,200
and also a great challenge.
You know, like, I don't want

718
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,960
somebody who is just going to
agree with everything that we

719
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,120
say as we're designing it.
I want to have somebody who will

720
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,240
stand their ground and and know
their stuff.

721
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,960
And you know, like I'm not the
authority.

722
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,880
I'm, I, we are hiring somebody
to have a really grounded

723
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,760
experience of studying these
things and bring to that our

724
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,440
knowledge and information and
practical experience and, and,

725
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,440
and research.
You know, I was, I, he wanted to

726
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,400
do certain things and I was
like, OK, but let's add, let's

727
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,560
add this.
You know, we should also be

728
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,560
testing blood biomarkers.
And even if they're more new,

729
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,120
why don't we be the first ones
to really quantify this?

730
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,760
We are the first clinical study
to look into the use of

731
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,600
mushrooms and adaptogens for
CCD.

732
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,000
The first one, I mean like,
that's so cool.

733
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,200
I'm so proud of that.
And you took kind of touched on

734
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,280
it earlier and this is a kind of
a sidebar, but you know, it is

735
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,240
it's not about like buy our
product, do this, everyone's

736
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,440
going to find what they need to
find.

737
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:33,360
I deeply believe in, in the
products that we produce, but my

738
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:38,360
hope for this project is that
the next time somebody goes into

739
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,760
their vet and says, Hey, I'm
dealing with this with my dog,

740
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,000
the vet doesn't say, well,
there's nothing that we can do.

741
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,240
There is there really aren't any
drugs out there for that.

742
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,680
So good luck.
Because that's what most of the

743
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,720
clients that we worked with said
about their, their experience.

744
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:58,000
Or I would hope that maybe
you're sitting in the waiting

745
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,680
room and somebody goes, Oh my.
I just, I actually have my dog

746
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:05,000
on some mushrooms that are
really helping them try this.

747
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,880
You know, I want more people to
know about this stuff that like

748
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,800
I am out here screaming it from
the mountaintop.

749
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,600
Like this stuff is amazing.
I use it every day for myself.

750
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,880
I've got my family on it.
My dog is on it.

751
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,520
He's only a year and a half old.
But no, I'm going for the long

752
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,280
run.
I'm going for the long run.

753
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,960
OK, let me, let me stop you
there.

754
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,880
Yeah, because I think this is so
important, I'm going to, I'm

755
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,880
going to relate this back to
something a little different.

756
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,800
But I, as I have found
controversial, I actually

757
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:42,840
anytime I try to talk on social
media about getting blood work

758
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,880
done for your pets early on in
their life, people are like, oh,

759
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,400
but my vet says I don't need to
do that.

760
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,000
Why would I listen to you?
And I'm like, OK, but when

761
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,080
something happens when they're
6810 years old and this is the

762
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,080
first time you're getting blood
work done for your dog, you

763
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,040
don't have anything to compare
it to, right?

764
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,240
So that's what I'm thinking in
my mind when you just brought up

765
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,760
you have a young dog, which by
the way, congratulations on your

766
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:12,080
new family and you already have
him started on a product that we

767
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:15,200
are in the realm of products
that we are talking about using

768
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,880
for older dogs or dogs that are
having some sort of deficit that

769
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,880
we're noticing.
So it is just as important to

770
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,120
set them up for success.
Can you tell me a little bit

771
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,240
about that and how you see
mushrooms and full spectrum hemp

772
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:33,760
as setting our pets up for
success?

773
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:40,440
Yeah, I mean, I, I don't want to
diminish the use case of these

774
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,960
later stage these animals that
are in need right now of help.

775
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,480
There are a lot of properties of
these mushrooms and and

776
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:52,760
adaptations and hemp that will
give you immediate changes, you

777
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:57,000
know, changes in their, their,
their sensation of discomfort

778
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,400
and pain that you can
immediately see them just like

779
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,720
relax.
So important for old dogs, if

780
00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:07,240
you're in pain, if you're
stressed, you're not healing.

781
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,000
We need to help the body move
into that more kind of

782
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,360
sympathetic nervous state.
And that's just kind of one of

783
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,200
the things that you could see
pretty immediately.

784
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:21,080
But then when we talk about more
of these systemic modulations,

785
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,320
just making sure that the immune
system stays on its track.

786
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,200
It's so much better to be
working with these like small

787
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:34,720
corrections rather than like,
OK, left turn, you know, it's we

788
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,480
got a we got a problem.
Let's got to go over there now

789
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,800
and that's really how I look at
Archie's longevity is like,

790
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,560
let's make these little
corrections here and there.

791
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,240
Try as much as we can to
anticipate, you know, major

792
00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:54,080
shifts with things like blood
work, with activity monitors and

793
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,960
just with kind of a keen eye,
making sure to check in with

794
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,800
them and kind of see how they're
doing on a regular basis.

795
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,640
Because it if, if we can just
work strategically from the

796
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,280
moment that we have the
opportunity.

797
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,480
Whether you got a dog that's be
rescued that's five years old or

798
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,320
you get a, a dog from puppyhood,
start, start when you're ready,

799
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,560
start when, start when it is
your time.

800
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,240
And don't judge yourself for
being too late 'cause it's too

801
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,800
late.
Just just just go from where you

802
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,480
are and, and recognize, I think
if we're going in a proactive

803
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:30,040
mode, just for instance, the
example of your, your sister's

804
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,160
golden retrievers, recognize
what are the genetic

805
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,560
predispositions of this kind of
dog.

806
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,200
Maybe that's something, you
know, if I've got a golden

807
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,200
retriever, I've got another
large breed dog that

808
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,520
statistically is more likely to
get these sort of neoplasias and

809
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,320
cancers and cellular just
regulations.

810
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,960
Let's put them on these things
that have been shown to help the

811
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,440
body regulate those things.
Turkey tail, it's incredible for

812
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,680
encouraging these T cells and B
cells, these cells that are

813
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:06,840
these immune cells that are out
there to seek out abnormal

814
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,680
cells, mutated cells and
basically take out the trash

815
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,600
like that's that's something
that we want the body the body

816
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,760
does it every day every day, all
day right now the body is doing

817
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,400
that and we just want to like we
want to keep that chugging along

818
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:24,320
in an optimal way.
So it's so beneficial both long

819
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:29,120
term and acutely, you just kind
of again, keep adapting the

820
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,240
strategy.
I totally derailed you, but

821
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,680
we'll spend the rest of the time
talking about.

822
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:41,200
Oh my God, I'm like, I'm so like
I'm going way off on all this

823
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,560
and I'm giving you like a 10
minute answer to everything you

824
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,840
ask.
I love it though, because I

825
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,240
mean, this is just real.
This is what we are thinking and

826
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,040
trying to get out into the
world.

827
00:50:53,480 --> 00:51:00,120
So, OK, you hired a veterinarian
with extensive experience in

828
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:04,200
conducting studies because you
wanted this to be like with

829
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:08,640
stand peer review to to be able
to say we're not just out here

830
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:14,040
telling you that this works,
we're showing you with data that

831
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,320
this works.
So you've talked about having

832
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:21,160
extensive questionnaires.
You gave us an example of Jesse,

833
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,200
the scent hound or I don't know
if it was a hound, but it was a

834
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:31,920
scent dog.
And so, OK, how did you pick the

835
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,200
dogs for the study?
You talked about like that the

836
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:42,640
like median group of dogs having
the best responses to the

837
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:43,720
mushrooms.
What?

838
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,720
OK, who, who were you bringing
into the study?

839
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,760
How are you selecting those dogs
and what did that median group

840
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:58,320
kind of look like?
So we screened over 500 dogs.

841
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,520
So we had a lot of different
backgrounds.

842
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,080
They're they're from all over
the country.

843
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,560
They're at different household
income levels, eating different

844
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:13,520
foods, you know, climatically
different regions and within a

845
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:18,360
range of, you know, I think our
youngest dog was 7 and our

846
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,400
oldest dog was 16.
So, you know, some earlier onset

847
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,520
and some that are really trying
to figure out what they can do

848
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,840
for these basic often kind of
palliative care for these these

849
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:35,800
dogs.
We enrolled 30 in in the end of

850
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:42,160
our study both in an in person
in clinic setting as well as

851
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:47,800
digitally across the country.
And yeah, what I'm sorry, what

852
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,760
was here?
Can you?

853
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,360
So that, that I know that median
group, you talked about the

854
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,520
median group having the best
like success with the mushrooms.

855
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,280
What, what were you seeing
between like, like you just

856
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,120
said, like you got this like
early onset, you've got this

857
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,280
like really later palliative
care.

858
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,680
What are you, what does that
median group look like?

859
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,680
How can we, like, equate that to
what people are going to see in

860
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:18,040
their homes with their pets?
Yeah, so I, I, it might look

861
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,920
like if you've ever heard of
sundowning, if you've that's,

862
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:26,040
that's kind of a really common
parallel when we look at CCD

863
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,960
rest interruptions through the
night, pacing, having trouble

864
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,400
kind of setting into sleep,
getting settled, less consistent

865
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,960
sleep, being kind of lost in the
house, going to pee, but then

866
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,720
getting outside and being like,
what am I doing out here?

867
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:48,600
Or, or forgetting to pee at all
House soiling the, the, you

868
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,640
know, the messes that they're
making in the house, aggression,

869
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,160
discomfort, just like less
interaction.

870
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,720
So this median group, they're,
they're not at a degenerative

871
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:03,560
phase where they are kind of off
the deep end that we've, we've

872
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,600
really lost their personality.
They're still connecting, but

873
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,320
there's just some like faltering
happening in what pet parents

874
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,520
have kind of seen as their
normal.

875
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:19,720
And so this the median group we
see kind of the best responses

876
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,080
really one of the focuses is
sleep.

877
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:29,000
We had a 42% reduction in sleep
interruptions in this group at

878
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,040
12% increase in sleep
efficiency.

879
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:37,560
So really quantifiable levels of
a change in their rest phase,

880
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,040
which is essential for
neurogenesis.

881
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,240
So, you know, more sleep,
especially for our old dogs, is

882
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,080
really important for their
ability to continue to

883
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:59,320
stabilize, grow, balance, heal.
So that's not to say that the

884
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,760
animals kind of on the other end
where they were maybe more in

885
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,400
that palliative care phase
didn't see results.

886
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,640
They just.
Oh, absolutely not.

887
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:14,440
No, there are the, there's a
case of a dog that I met in

888
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:19,520
March and this, this guy, he
wanted to submit his dog for the

889
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:24,200
study and he, you know, this dog
was in terrible shape.

890
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,760
It had a, it had a lot going on.
They had a euthanasia

891
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:31,880
appointment set in, in 10 days
when I met him.

892
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,840
And I was like, damn it, I, I
wish that we had met two months

893
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:40,800
ago, but so it didn't make sense
for him to be part of our study,

894
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:45,760
but we like, I overnighted him a
bottle of clarity and I was

895
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,920
like, just try this, see how it
goes.

896
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,960
I, I, I hope that it helps and
thanks for your interest.

897
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,160
And he started using it and he
called me three days later and

898
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:01,800
he was like, she's sleeping and
she up and about during the day

899
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,520
for the first time in months.
We went for, we went for a 30

900
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,480
minute walk today.
It's the first time that I've

901
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,720
been able to walk with her in
two months like that.

902
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:12,760
And he cancelled his euthanasia
appointment.

903
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:19,760
He got, he got quality time
where this dog was less in pain,

904
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,400
less stressed, just less kind of
weary and was able to, to, to

905
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,880
come back to him.
And so it, this is, I mean, it

906
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,240
happened to, it happened to
Jenny, who's on our team with

907
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:32,440
her Great Dane, as Angela was
launching the products.

908
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,600
Like we didn't even have them in
bottles yet.

909
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:39,040
And Angie sent her a jar of
Clarity and same thing, same

910
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,000
thing happened where she was
like, I think it's the end.

911
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,920
And it ended up being a real
lifeline, Yeah.

912
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:55,440
Honestly, like dog dog tears
flow out of me so easily.

913
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,000
I'm like if I I can scroll by
something and I'm like, oh,

914
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,280
can't watch that right now.
I mean, I know like I, I am that

915
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,640
person that if, like if I hear
that Sarah McLachlan song, I'm

916
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,960
waking up like it's not, you
know what I mean?

917
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:12,800
Sarah's back also, by the way,
not another sidebar.

918
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,000
She's she's back and she sounds
great.

919
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,920
I.
Bet she does.

920
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,360
I bet she does.
So, OK, what what do you feel

921
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,040
this the veterinarian that you
worked with to create this

922
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:29,040
study, who this was as you said
first again, as you said, I hate

923
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:33,160
using all natural because it is
just so bastardized to use that

924
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,800
word right now, but truly like.
Organic.

925
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,800
Functional.
Yes, like this was the first

926
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,040
time he had studied a product
like this.

927
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,680
How do you feel he came or had
he shared with you?

928
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,840
Oh, man, like as soon as, as
soon as the data started coming

929
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,120
in, he would like, he'd call me
and be like, I just got this

930
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:56,200
back.
You're not going to believe it.

931
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,440
And I'm like, no, I'm like, you
don't think so.

932
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,480
I was like Joel.
I, he, he tried, you tried to

933
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:08,360
temper my, my expectations early
on, say that the best that we

934
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:12,480
could hope for was no change.
And when, when we had reports

935
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,920
starting to come back that these
dogs were interacting again,

936
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,120
that they were eat it, that they
were hungry again, that they

937
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:22,800
were going out even just pre
data compilation, it really the

938
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,440
results started showing up
quickly and he was, he changed

939
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:27,920
his tune.
He was surprised.

940
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:33,120
He was so excited to see his to
see his like genuine excitement

941
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,200
at something like this changing
his mind.

942
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:40,440
I mean, this is a guy who's in
his 70s, like he's, he's seen a

943
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,520
lot of change, a lot of he's,
he's been through a lot of

944
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:48,200
clinical trials and, and working
in an old style that model that

945
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,960
he was dissatisfied, but
probably at that time didn't

946
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,480
have the tools and the access to
what we do now.

947
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,600
And so, you know, I, I respect
him a lot for, for learning and

948
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,760
changing.
So what I'm hearing is that you

949
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:11,400
hired a vet, a vet to conduct a
study who has insane amounts of

950
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,840
experience conducting studies,
who you said I'm going to give

951
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,200
you some money to come and help
us with this study.

952
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,880
And he said the best you're
going to get is no change.

953
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,520
And you're like, I'm still
paying you.

954
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,640
He's like.
Oh well, you know what?

955
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,720
He didn't say that until after
we'd paid him.

956
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:35,840
But but we knew, we knew what
the mushrooms do and like, and I

957
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:40,720
saw his, I saw his papers on
Java and AVMA and I was like,

958
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,520
OK, this guy's legit.
And, and talking to him, he, he

959
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:49,920
had clearly had integrity and,
and you know, was, was working

960
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,000
to looking to partner with us in
a way to do good science.

961
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,040
And it was the planning phase of
it was extensive and we had a

962
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,160
lot to figure out about.
The making sure that the

963
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,680
profiles of the dogs that we
were bringing into the study

964
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,440
were aligned with veterinary
standard of measuring this

965
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,080
condition.
You know, the different, the

966
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,400
behaviors that we were studying
in the, in the biomarkers that

967
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,760
we are looking at what like what
is the precedent and where are

968
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,080
we pushing it?
Where, where are we, where are

969
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,320
we extending the science?
Because that really is always

970
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,040
kind of the goal.
It's like, let's build on what

971
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,160
we know.
Well, I mean, I know I kind of

972
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,320
made a joke of it, but the
reason that I say that and the

973
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:31,800
reason that I bring it up is
that oftentimes when we are

974
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,200
looking at the science, when
we're looking at studies, we're

975
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,480
like honestly going in to pick
it apart because we're we're

976
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:42,200
like, OK, who funded this study
and who conducted the study and

977
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,600
what happened in the study?
And did they, you know, did they

978
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,440
exclude participants?
Why did they exclude

979
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,120
participants?
Like all of these things we're

980
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:53,320
looking at because, you know, we
understand there's so much of a

981
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,960
bias in science.
So that's kind of the reason

982
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,640
that I bring this up, that it's
like we could eat probably

983
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,760
easily do the same thing and be
as biased, but you're not.

984
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,280
Totally, I mean, there is always
going to be bias or you know,

985
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,760
some places where you don't get
everything that you want.

986
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,480
You know, I would have loved to
do this study with 1000 dogs.

987
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:21,120
You know, a cohort of 30 is, is
what we could do right now.

988
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,280
You know, we're just like a
little, we're a little baby

989
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:27,960
company that is committed to
kind of forwarding this 'cause I

990
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,160
mean, that's one thing, but but
then also like you look at how

991
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,240
many dogs were in the cohort
that got remedil approved.

992
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,000
It was 8, the the kind of like
pivotal study that looked at

993
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,680
full spectrum hemp extract for
epilepsy in dogs from CSU.

994
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:47,480
That was only 18 dogs, I think.
So, you know, we, as usual, we

995
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:51,600
hold our our organic
therapeutics to a much higher

996
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,920
standard and, and not to
discourage anyone from being

997
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,560
discerning and asking hard
questions of scientists and

998
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,960
researchers and especially
companies that are selling a

999
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,520
product.
We must, we must be diligent

1000
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,880
and, and make sure that they are
ethically aligned and not just

1001
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,800
trying to make money.
But yeah, I mean, there there's,

1002
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,920
I think that good science should
invite scrutiny.

1003
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,680
And, you know, I, I, we could
talk about the details of this

1004
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,000
research all day and I'd be
like, yeah.

1005
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,480
And this, you know, this thing
was something that we need to

1006
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,800
look into more.
We need, we need more

1007
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,080
information about this.
But yeah, I think that if if

1008
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,560
we're coming from the right
place, it it shouldn't be about

1009
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,280
like APR move.
It should be about uncovering

1010
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:42,280
more that we don't know.
Well, I know you could probably

1011
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,240
go on and on and on and on and
on, and I could listen forever

1012
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:49,080
as well, but I just appreciate
you so much for coming on and

1013
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:53,520
and talking to us and explaining
the study and answering even the

1014
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,720
silliest of questions that I
have.

1015
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,160
No, it's my pleasure, Jessica.
And I love to.

1016
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,160
I love to nerd out on this stuff
and share it.

1017
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,440
Yeah, yeah.
So where can people, if they

1018
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:07,640
don't already, which I'm sure
most people listening do, but

1019
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:11,480
where can people find
information on the study?

1020
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,160
Where can people find the
products?

1021
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,960
So you can, if if you have been
hearing this discussion and

1022
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:22,920
you're like, hey, my dog might
be kind of a candidate for this

1023
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,440
or might be needing a little bit
of intervention.

1024
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:30,240
We are still collecting oaks for
our next virtual cohort of the

1025
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,040
senior dog study.
So you can go to

1026
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:36,160
seniordogstudy.com and at the
bottom you'll see a quick survey

1027
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,640
that will kind of see if you're
potentially eligible.

1028
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:40,960
And then we'll we'll follow up
with you.

1029
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,120
Also, you can find
us@mycodog.com,

1030
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,000
cbddoghealth.com.
We are on Instagram, TikTok,

1031
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:52,120
YouTube, tons of educational
content on all those platforms.

1032
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,800
If you want to learn more about
other subjects, we, we really

1033
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,200
have so much that you can kind
of dive into and and learn more.

1034
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,000
Yeah, my name is Carter.
You can, you can follow my

1035
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,640
Instagram at at functional pet.
And yeah, we're we're

1036
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,040
everywhere.
Yes, thankfully, because you

1037
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:14,440
really do put out such amazing
educational information that I I

1038
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,240
love to consume and share.
Again, thank you so much for

1039
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,760
joining us, Carter.
If you guys have any other

1040
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:23,160
questions, again, you can always
reach out to me.

1041
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:26,800
I'll help you the best I can or
direct you to the right place.

1042
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:31,800
And with that, I am going to say
have a great rest of your week.

1043
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,320
Please give your pet some extra
love from me and from Carter

1044
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:38,400
this week and I will talk to you
next week.

1045
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:40,320
Thanks, Jessica.
Bye.

1046
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,080
Thanks, Carter.