234. The Water Episode: Why EPA Standards Fail Pets—and What To Do

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Hey there, it's Jess.
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Today's episode is, Oh my gosh,
it is going to be so

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interesting, but stick with me
because when I tell you we're

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talking about water, you're
probably going to be like, Oh my

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gosh, no, I'm not listening to
this.

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But seriously, it is vital for
us and our pets to have access

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to clean water.
And the number of us that

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probably actually have access to
clean water, well, we have

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access to it, but are we
actually getting it?

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Are we providing it to our pets?
That is a whole other thing.

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And I'm going to tell you.
So today's guest, I'm going to

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introduce him in just a second,
but I'm going to be learning

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right along with you guys
because I have I have so many

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different questions.
I've heard so many different

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things about what we actually
need for water.

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I know our water is
contaminated, period.

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I don't care where you are in
the US, probably around the

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world, like our water is
contaminated with so many

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things.
We're going to learn about all

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of that.
So I'm going to welcome today's

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guest city and Kaufman.
Thank you.

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So much for being with us today.
I'm so excited that you reached

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out because even though I've
talked about clean water so many

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times on the podcast, I've never
really had anybody to come on

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and be like, I actually know
about this.

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Let me tell you.
Thank you so much for having me

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on.
Actually, the reason I reached

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out to you is because of the
seemingly very boring subject

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about the math of water and how
the contaminants, the

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contaminants affect you based on
body weight has a really direct

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correlation on pet health.
And a lot of people don't know

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about that because it's not
really something the

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Environmental Protection Agency
talks about.

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They do all their studies based
on a 154 LB adult.

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Every single one of their
metrics is based on that.

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So if you've got a 15 LB dog and
all of their contaminants are

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based on milligrams per kilogram
of body weight, that literally

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means that that dog is 10 times
more susceptible to any

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contaminant.
Given the fact that dogs drink

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between two to four times as
much water, a dog may be as much

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as 40 to 50 a hundred times if
they're really teeny tiny dog

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more susceptible to the same
contaminant because the and I

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know I'm jumping in the deep end
of the pool and we can really

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expand on this.
But the kill shot here is

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because certain contaminants are
allowed above as long as they're

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below a legal level that it's
based on 154 LB adult.

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If you are a smaller human or if
you are an animal who can be up

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to, I don't know, 5 lbs.
Some animals you could be easily

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with the toxic with the
chemicals that are allowed in

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the water that are not likely to
affect a very big person could

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easily affect a dog and due to
their their metabolism it will

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affect them faster.
So some pets absolutely are

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dying from tap water.
Wow.

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Well, and I mean, I think of
course this is my brain.

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I'm thinking yes about the dogs,
some about the cats only because

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I mean, cats aren't great for
drinking water in the 1st place.

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They, they're really designed to
get their moisture intake from

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their food.
But so many cats aren't fed a

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moist diet.
So, you know, they, they kind of

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have to resort to water a lot of
times if they will.

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But even children even like me,
I'm, I'm 110 lbs.

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That means that I am close to
what, 50% more susceptible to

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whatever is happening in the tap
water.

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And then of course, my brain not
only goes to what we're

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drinking, but what we're bathing
in because our our skin is our

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biggest like organ system.
Like this is just like honestly

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I'm overwhelmed with it is where
I'm at.

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I know some people it is hard to
to work through it.

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It is easy to get overwhelmed
that what the science says about

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skin transferred.
So we can start there in humans

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at least.
And there's no data I have about

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this in animals, but in humans
at least it's about 1%.

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So what you're bathing in about
1% can transfer compared to

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drinking.
So in certain cases that is a

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lot because the amount of, for
example, forever chemicals P

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Foss, that type of stuff that
you want is in the parts per

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trillion, which to give an
example of what that means, it

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would be like a single drop in
Lake MI.

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It's a very, very minuscule
amount that you do not want in

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your body.
Forever chemicals go.

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So bathing in that can be a
potentially we don't really know

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a lot about the transfer of it,
but if we follow the same 1%

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rule, that can can be
significant arsenic, though the

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arsenic in your water, the and
arsenic is in most water in some

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way, shape or form about half
the municipalities in let's say

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Washington state, which I know
more about the nether areas,

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half the municipalities about
have arsenic in it that are

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below the legal level but above
the health level for humans.

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So if you're then taking that
tap water and feeding it to your

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dog, that can be really bad.
So yeah, bathing is that it's a

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concern, but drinking water is
much more of a concern.

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And then the list of
contaminants are so vast.

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I mean, in the meadows category,
we're talking about arsenic and

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lead and manganese.
And we can get into things like

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uranium has been found in
drinking in tap water.

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And then in the the other
category is the volatile granite

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compounds.
We're talking about chlorine

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byproducts a lot,
dibromochloromethane and

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halocetic acids and a bunch of
other very complex sounding

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words.
And then there's man made

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chemicals, there's
pharmaceuticals and and then

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there's some naturally occurring
nitrates and and other forms of

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byproducts from factories.
So all of that has been found in

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drinking water.
Some of it is tested for, but

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for pets it matters way more.
You cannot go into that.

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I can't.
I just, you know, whatever comes

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out of the tap.
I used to drink from a garden

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hose.
All those ideas kind of they go

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way out the window when it comes
to the body weight size of an

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animal.
So I definitely, I mean, I'm

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glad you started listing off
some of the contaminants because

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that was going to be one of my
questions.

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But it sounds like they're just
so many people I would imagine

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can, if they want like a
comprehensive list, they could

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find that where on the EPA's
website.

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Yeah, the EPA website will show
a very big list, but that is not

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the complete list.
The complete list is in the

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hundreds of thousands, and we
don't test for that many things.

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We have a strong idea that all
of the levels are pretty low and

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the human body is a homeostasis
engine.

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It's incredible at taking in
contaminants and getting rid of

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contaminants.
It doesn't always.

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A lot of it sits in your fat and
it just stays there, sits in

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your brain or sits around your
organs or just floats in your

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body and it is not released
always unless you sweat or go

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through some sort of detox, and
even then it may not be.

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Forever chemicals are called
forever chemicals because

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they're not going to be
metabolized or broken down at

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all in your body.
Cold plasma is currently the

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first idea anyone's had for how
to get rid of it.

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And if anyone here knows what
cold plasma is, we're talking

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about 10 to thousands of dollars
just to create it for a moment.

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So it's like, it's definitely
not viable currently to get rid

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of forever chemicals.
This is not to be doom and

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gloom.
Your body, your human body is

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incredible at dealing with this
stuff.

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So, and not to say that you
should highly recommend people

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clean their water for
themselves, but just know that

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all of the measures and all of
the balances are based on 154

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lbs adult human.
So each state, each county,

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municipality, I, I remember, I
don't know, not too long ago

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where I used to live, they the
water company actually like sent

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out a booklet of like, this is
what we found in the water.

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So you can be confident or
whatever.

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I don't know.
I guess that's what the

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promotion was for.
Can people, I, I would imagine

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you would recommend people
testing their water for

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themselves for probably a number
of reasons, but could they start

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by just looking on their county
or whoever they're getting their

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water from's website to see like
what testing they have done,

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what they're saying is in their
water?

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How do you recommend people
start figuring this out?

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That's a great question.
There are two free sources for

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identifying what's in your tap
water.

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The municipality will release
something.

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It is not always some are very
extensive and some are very

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small.
So that's one thing They're

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required to do testing and
they're required to prove that

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they're testing meets legal
levels.

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So, and then and they have to
release those.

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The other website is called the
Environmental working Group.

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A little warning when you go on
there, some of the levels they

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describe are pretty extreme.
They're going to they're saying

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multiples like you, I saw this
municipality recently that had

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arsenic at .8 and one is the
legal level.

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So they were really close to the
legal level, right?

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They were 80% there, but the
municipal, the environment

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working group said that was 2000
times the health guideline, the

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health guideline for arsenic 0.
So I have no idea how you have a

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multiplier from zero.
So the 2000 makes no sense to

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me.
But the number is there, the

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actual contaminant level is
there.

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That matters.
Determining that matters the the

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legal level is listed.
The percentage of it is

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therefore knowable based on
those results, and the

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Environmental Working Group will
probably have a pretty extensive

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list of contaminants for
whatever your municipality is.

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You just go to their tap water
database.

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That being said, everybody's
only testing for roughly 50,

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maybe 100 things and you are
probably not going to go test

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for 100,000 things because it
would cost $50,000 to do.

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It's maybe more, it would
potentially cost much more than

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that.
Actually the the like the most

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extensive test I know about is
$2500 and that test for about

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500 different things.
We're not.

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We're just not testing for
everything that can be in the

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water.
Instead, what you want to do is

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just do reverse osmosis.
And if you want it for your

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body, if you want to to get it,
get it so you're not bathing in

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it too, which is a good idea in
some cases, then you want a

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system that does that does kind
of weak DI and is a honestly,

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there's not a lot of companies
doing full treatment for your

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body.
They're doing mostly softeners.

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You'd have to reach out to just
a few companies from our company

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Pure Water, Northwest Water Tech
does something like that.

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Poseidon water system sells
products like that.

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So there's not a lot that do
significant treatment or you do

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whole house reverse osmosis.
That is usually overkill because

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the amount that does skin
transfer is not a lot.

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And if you really are interested
in that, reach out to myself or

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someone like me and get expert
advice.

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But for drinking water under
counter, reverse osmosis is

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going to be an extremely good
catch all.

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That's such a good point.
Well, at first I have so many

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questions, but it's such a good
point that I actually didn't ask

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you to tell people like who the
heck you are and why they're

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listening to you.
I, yeah, I'm, my name is City

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and Kaufman.
I I own Pure Water Northwest and

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I'm just kind of an avid study
of water.

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I have a significant amount of
water knowledge that I'm

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certainly not the smartest guy
when it comes to water.

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I just happen to know quite a
lot.

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Quite a lot.
Well, gosh, I mean, and it's so

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vital.
Like, you know, we still

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probably all know somebody who
has been around long enough that

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they're like, I'm why are we
paying for what?

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Like we didn't used to have to
pay for what are we paying for

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water?
Like it's abundant on the Earth.

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Obviously we can't drink all of
that water, but it is kind of

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interesting how far we've come
in such a short period of time

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relative to, you know, how long
the Earth has been around, how

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long humans have been around.
But so, OK, reverse osmosis, I

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mean, there are a lot of things
out there.

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There are a lot of water
filtration systems out there.

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I know like I'm in a situation
now where I'm in transition.

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So I'm between like I sold my
home, I'm going to be renting

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for a little while.
So I, you know, I was in a

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position where I could have done
a whole and I had different

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whole house filters.
They weren't for this

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necessarily.
I had to have a water softener.

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I had a whole house filter, but
it wasn't doing all the things I

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wanted to clean my water.
I was looking at getting

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something else and I was just
like, I don't know what else to

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get at this point because I'm
looking at so many different

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things.
I don't know, should I go this

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route?
Should I go that route?

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And, and you know, I have
veterinarians telling me we

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actually want structured water.
And then I have people like Gary

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Brecca telling me that we
actually want hydrogen water.

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And I'm like, what do we do?
What do we actually want?

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I don't know.
Veterinarians are telling you

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structured water.
Wow.

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All right, well, I'll jump into
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First of all, if you get another
house, Jessica, just give me a

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I'll help you out, give you some
free advice.

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No problem.
I don't even even know if I

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could sell you anything, but
I'll help you.

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The thing about water is it's
everywhere.

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It scares people.
It fascinates people.

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People have to drink it.
So if you bring up to them that

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your water might be bad or
dangerous, then they either get

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terrified enough to do their own
research or ask you questions,

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or they have the ostrich effect,
which is where they bury their

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head in the sand and keep
drinking the water because it

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can be terrifying.
You have to drink it.

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If you go for a few days without
it, you die.

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So you're going to drink the
water one way or the other.

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And if you can't afford it, or
if it seems too overwhelming,

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you just keep drinking the
water.

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So that makes it a perfect
environment for snake oil.

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It is the absolute perfect thing
for someone who's an influencer

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or someone who's charismatic to
come along and sell you

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something that is like the
perfect thing.

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And structured water is a
concept that was made by this.

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The original guy was from Japan
and he like sang to water and

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played music to water and froze
it and had this idea that there

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was some structure.
And then this guy from the

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University of Washington, kind
of down the street from me, and

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I can't remember his name, but
he went a step further and he

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looked at the molecular bonds
that are created when water

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rests against a hydrophilic
surface.

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And he postulated that if you
were able to drink that it would

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be healthy for you there.
There is no such thing as

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structured water that you can
drink.

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As soon as you drink, it lose
its structure because it's a

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fluid.
There is no possible way under

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any circumstances that water can
retain its structure in that

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form.
There is like some thought that

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structured water may exist in
fruit and that if you eat it, it

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can last in your body for a
little bit, which is great.

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I mean, fruits good for you.
And we're talking about

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miniscule things that really
matter so little that it is

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absolutely snake oil.
From that perspective, hydrogen

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water is valid.
However, hydrogen is a gas that

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will pour out of water at an
immense speed.

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If you create hydrogen water,
drink it immediately or it will

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have no effect.
It'll be gone within 5 minutes.

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So you can't create hydrogen
water and carry it around in

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your bottle the rest of the day.
It's not possible, but hydrogen

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water does have health benefits
if you can get it.

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That being said, it has nowhere
near the health benefits of

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having water that has no
volatile organic compounds,

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pharmaceuticals, forever
chemicals, metals, that kind of

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stuff in it.
That kind of water is much, much

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healthier.
So the the reason why reverse

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osmosis is not everywhere is
because reverse osmosis does

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such a good job of cleaning,
it's actually removing some of

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the minerals and people want
minerals in their water.

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So the reality is the minerals
you get from food, as long as

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you eat a balanced diet, exceed
water by about 100 times, you

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will get virtually no benefit
mineral wise from water compared

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to the food you eat.
But if you want minerals in your

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water, do the if you're going to
do all this extra work anyhow,

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just pour minerals into your
reverse osmosis water and you're

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good to go.
They sell packets and minerals

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that are really great.
Just do that.

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Reverse osmosis water is the
technology that right now is the

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kind of panacea the the silver
bullet that everyone is looking

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for.
It is actually just that good.

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Currently it is.
It was designed to turn seawater

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into drinking water.
It can turn any water you're

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getting out of your tap as long
as you have a good RO that has

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good prefiltration with carbon.
It will turn any tap water into

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good drinking water.
If you don't have tap water, if

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you're on a well, reverse
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because there can be biologics
that can create a a slime

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bacteria that can destroy a
river osmosis.

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So you would want to do a test
if you have a well.

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But that being said, our water
is the silver bullet people are

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looking for.
So if you want to to have just

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no confusion and just be like,
look, I just want good water.

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I don't know how to do all the
tests needed.

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Just get RO.
So, but it does need it's.

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It's dead at that point, and you
do need to add minerals back to

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it.
It's dead as in it has just

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hydrogen bound to oxygen, which
is the main thing you need from

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water.
OK.

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If you add minerals back to it
though, yeah, it's it's

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fantastic.
OK, that makes sense.

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It does so with our pets
specifically like what that's

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really where and, and The thing
is that like I deal with animals

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everyday, like my clients, these
animals are sick, right?

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Like, and I think to some degree
we're all kind of sick to in

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some shape form or fashion
because we are constantly

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exposed to toxins in our
environment.

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We're constantly exposed to
toxins in our foods unless we're

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being very.
Be very careful unless we're

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growing our own foods, unless we
know exactly where are the

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animals are being raised and
like all of the things like

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we're just exposed to so many
toxins.

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And it, like you said, is so, so
much worse for our pets because

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they are so much smaller that
they may not be able.

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I mean, so many of us, I feel
like are not able to, to handle

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the vast amount of toxins that
we are exposed to every single

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day.
So do you have, do you have

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anything that you tell people as
far as like their pets are

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concerned?
Is there anything that they're

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looking for that you're like,
oh, this could be like toxin

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overload and you really want to
look at your water?

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You're right, toxins are in your
environment, so that means that

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your water is just one of the
sources.

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Yeah.
It is absolutely a good analogy

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to think of it like a
battlefield, for lack of a

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better term, for lack of a
better analogy.

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And your body is doing a really,
really good job.

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And that's why, you know,
despite all these toxins, many

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people are alive and walking
around with energy and

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relatively healthy because your
body is fighting off like a wave

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of toxins in your food, in your
water, in your environment, in

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the air.
And then naturally created from

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exothermic reactions and
exercise creates toxins, you

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know, while simultaneously
getting rid of toxins.

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It's a funny thing.
That's what our body does.

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It's really good at dealing with
toxins.

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That being said, if you get rid
of sources of toxins, then your

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body has much more availability
to deal with other toxins.

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Does that make sense?
Yep.

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Identifying whether or not one
thing is the source of your,

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your, your pet being tired or
seeming to have low energy or

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dying early is really difficult
because it could be a number of

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things if you've got arsenic at
.8.

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I mean, the legal level for
arsenic is, is one part per

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million, because the EPA thinks
that that level shows is a

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statistically significant amount
of increased health risk for

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somebody having the effects of
arsenic organ failures or

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cancers or things like that.
So if you have a dog that is 10

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lbs, let's say 15 lbs, just so
the math is easier, and they

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drink two times the amount of
water that you do, a .8 is now

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is 8.
It's now 16, which would be

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roughly 16 times the legal
level.

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Effectively your dog is having
16 times more than the maximum

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level the EPA would say you
would want.

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That could absolutely have an
effect on their lifespan.

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So I would say that that would
be a far more important thing

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for vets to talk about than
structured water structure.

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I mean constructed water.
I know why they're saying that

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structured water has valid,
valid hypothetical benefit if it

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was able to remain structured.
So there's no, it's not like

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people are trying to trick
people.

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It's that the the they're
they're skipping a step from

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what the scientists that I still
can't remember the name of at

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the University of Washington
stated in his book the fourth

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Phase of water that the book he
wrote there cherry picking stuff

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from it rather than reading the
entire text.

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He says right in there that it
loses its structure when it goes

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mobile.
So it's, I don't know why vets

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would be saying that rather than
talking about metals because

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that for a 15 LB dog that he
drinks two times times the

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amount of of water, you would be
having roughly roughly 20 times

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the amount of contaminants.
So is there anything other than

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the only reason I'm asking this
is just to kind of give people

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an idea of like a spectrum You
go from tap water, which

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obviously is horrible, probably
regardless of where you live.

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And I would imagine could
testing your water, what you're

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getting into your home may
actually be different from what

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the municipality is, is saying
just because of the delivery and

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the pipes that it has to go
through.

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And like things that are, it
could be worse potentially, I

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would imagine.
It can be for sure.

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So the science there and I won't
spend a lot of time on this, is

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it has chlorine in it. 99% of
municipalities have chlorine.

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Chlorine is going to travel
through plumbing, kill bacteria,

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oxidize iron, oxidize, pick up
plastics and that is going to

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create chlorine byproducts.
So you'll have volatile organic

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compounds from that.
You'll have oxidized metals,

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you'll have other metals.
You'll have some biologics

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potentially, but probably
probably not that many.

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And then you'll have some
microplastics and then anything

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else that started in the factory
that was unknown about two or

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not fully ameliorated and there
you go.

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So yes, it will be different in
your home than at the

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municipality, but the amounts
we're talking about are tiny,

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tiny, tiny amounts, but they can
build up.

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So the answer is yes.
Should you worry about that

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significantly?
I don't know.

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Testing it in your home, if you
can afford it, is always the

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safer bet.
So is there like a spectrum that

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people between tap water and
getting a reverse osmosis

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system?
Is there like a spectrum of of

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what people can do in between
there?

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If, if somebody like maybe can't
afford a reverse osmosis system

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right now or because I wouldn't,
can you get like, I actually

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don't know because I haven't
looked into it.

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Like if you're, if you're
renting, can you get a reverse

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osmosis system that's like a
countertop system or like how

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you can, I don't know what's out
there.

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00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,160
Yeah, so R OS are not as
expensive as they used to be.

454
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,800
And there are there are
countertop models for 400, which

455
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,000
can be a lot for some people.
Of course, I'm not saying that's

456
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,880
low, but there are also
countertop versions for like

457
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,600
$4000 and those are way
overkill.

458
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:39,320
The $400.00 one is going to be
reverse osmosis still, which

459
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,080
means it's still going to do a
good job.

460
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,480
Hello doggy.
So I mean, that is better than

461
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,240
not doing anything for sure.
Middle steps carbon is pretty

462
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,440
magical and what's in your
fridge filter is carbon.

463
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,600
It is not going to get rid of
everything we're talking about,

464
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,600
but it's going to do an amazing
job.

465
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,040
Carbon is very special.
If you take this much carbon,

466
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,000
like a gram, right?
It has so many tunnels inside of

467
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,760
it that are so small.
If you take and this is this

468
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,080
blows my mind.
I said I've said this a lot

469
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,840
before and it blows my mind
every single time.

470
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,680
If you take the surface area
inside me, the surface area

471
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,680
inside all those thousands of
tiny little tunnels and spread

472
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,400
it out, it would cover 3 tennis
courts.

473
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,240
That is a tremendous amount of
surface area for catching

474
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,000
contaminants.
It doesn't catch everything, but

475
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,680
it is amazing.
Carbon is amazing.

476
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,880
That's why those those murky
systems that are like these

477
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,160
countertop things where you put
water in the top and pour it

478
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,960
through, that's they're
fantastic.

479
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,680
They're not getting rid of
everything.

480
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,280
I'm not getting rid of as much
as people think, but they're

481
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,840
great.
They're really good.

482
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,440
The fridge filter you have is
great.

483
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,440
It's definitely not getting rid
of everything at all.

484
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,880
It's just carbon.
It's not going to do super stuff

485
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,600
that like a reverse osmosis
would do, but it's getting rid

486
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,720
of a lot.
So though that's a middle

487
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,160
ground, bottled water is not a
good middle ground.

488
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,480
I know you didn't mention
bottled water and you probably

489
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,640
already know this, but bottled
water has about, I don't know,

490
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,360
100,000 particles of
microplastic per liter on

491
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:17,200
average.
The reason is, is that it it

492
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,480
sits in transport for so long,
getting shaken up, heating up,

493
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,800
cooling down.
It is absorbing stuff from the

494
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,520
bottle that it's in, even if
it's in a glass bottle.

495
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,120
The original source is not
always the best.

496
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,240
There are is one of the most
unregulated industries.

497
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,160
There are very few bottles that
are actually good for you.

498
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,640
When it comes to bottle, there
are a few very, very fancy ones

499
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,800
that actually come from a spring
and then are filtered well or

500
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960
come from a source where it's
put through reverse osmosis and

501
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,840
then put into a glass bottle.
And those are so expensive that

502
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,400
if you just get an RO, you'll
save money.

503
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,120
And does that make sense?
It does.

504
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,520
So can you tell me what reverse
osmosis?

505
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,240
Like what?
What does that system do?

506
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,440
Why does it work?
Yeah.

507
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,720
So a standard reverse osmosis
will have a pre filter of carbon

508
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,720
because carbon is going to get
rid of some of the stuff, but

509
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,240
mainly because it's going to get
rid of all your chlorine.

510
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,800
Chlorine will destroy a reverse
osmosis membrane.

511
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,640
When I say the word membrane,
that's the heart and soul of a

512
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,080
reverse osmosis.
When the water is pushed through

513
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,200
the membrane under pressure, the
membrane is like a filter that

514
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:40,160
goes down to such a small level
.00001 microns, meaning 10,000

515
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,840
times smaller than a human
hairs, roughly 40,000 very very

516
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,080
small, like 40,000 times smaller
than a human hair down to the

517
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,760
level of like where molecules
actually have to push through.

518
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,560
The water pushes through the
membrane so that the water goes

519
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,880
to one side, but it leaves
behind water that's still bound

520
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,080
to metals on the other side.
Now you have water that's on two

521
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,520
sides.
You have bad water and good

522
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,640
water.
The bad water gets pushed down

523
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,160
the drain and the good water
gets delivered to you.

524
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,880
Interesting.
OK.

525
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,680
So obviously if you own a home
and you have the means doing the

526
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,880
the whole home, well, you said
earlier that might be overkill,

527
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,800
but it also might just give you
Peace of Mind.

528
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,040
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
If you can afford it, I always

529
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,040
recommend whole home filtration.
That's what I have for sure.

530
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,400
I have it partly though because
my daughter gets eczema from

531
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:38,000
even a little bit of hardness
and so when I put in a softener

532
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,080
her her eczema went away.
I don't know if that would be.

533
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,640
I don't think that's true for
everyone with eczema, but it

534
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:44,920
definitely worked for my
daughter.

535
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,320
It made a huge difference.
So see a whole home filtration

536
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,720
is definitely recommended but
under counter reverse osmosis,

537
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,200
especially if you have pets,
highly recommend.

538
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,640
So if you do like an under the
counter system on your, I guess

539
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:03,000
your primary, your kitchen sink,
are you as concerned with like

540
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,000
the water you're brushing your
teeth with or in other sinks in

541
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:12,120
the house or like, or is it kind
of like you said earlier with

542
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,800
with the 1% in your skin like
it's kind of negligible?

543
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,960
Yeah, it's super small.
The amount of like water you get

544
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,800
in from teeth brushing or things
like that, washing your hair,

545
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,560
bathing, all that stuff.
It is pretty small.

546
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,080
And size really does matter
because the dose is really what

547
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,200
has the effect.
You can deal with things that

548
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,400
create inflammation all day long
and your body's like, this is

549
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,320
easy until you get too much
inflammation, then your body's

550
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,960
like, hold on a second here, I
can't handle this.

551
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,040
And that's all it is.
The amount really matters.

552
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,280
So you talked about about, I
mean, I think I understand, but

553
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,520
you talked a couple of times
about like a health level and a

554
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,200
legal level.
Both of those, the health level

555
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:02,640
and the legal level are both
created based on 154.

556
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,640
I think you said pound human.
Is that accurate?

557
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,280
And so the difference is going
to be like the health level in

558
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,800
my mind is like what an average
person person can live with and

559
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,280
be healthy.
And the legal level is then

560
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,360
what?
Right.

561
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,120
Lobbyists have gotten our
governments to say, no, you

562
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,480
can't do this.
You have to give us more leeway.

563
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,720
Like, is that what it is?
It's less sinister than that.

564
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,280
I'm going to be honest with you.
It's just about money.

565
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,160
The EPA is is trying or was.
I don't know what this EPA is

566
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,920
doing.
The EPA was trying to do a great

567
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,360
job.
They were trying to do the best

568
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,520
job they can.
But treating water is about

569
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,960
size, footprint size.
So if you've got a municipality

570
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,920
that's able to get arsenic down
to .05 SA, very low amount of

571
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,520
arsenic, right?
And that municipality needs a

572
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:04,200
lot a physical real estate lot
that is like 10,000 square feet.

573
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,440
That's the size they need.
If you want that arsenic to be

574
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,360
10 times lower, the size of
their footprint of the land they

575
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,360
own could be up to 10 times as
much.

576
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,720
It may not be fully that, but it
could be significantly higher.

577
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,240
If that happens, your water bill
is going to go up.

578
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,400
So the EPA says right on their
website that the health level,

579
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,640
that the legal level is set as
close to the health level as

580
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,120
possible taking cost and other
factors into consideration.

581
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,640
I believe that's a direct quote.
So they are, they're, they're

582
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,440
basically saying, well, here's
the health level, we can't

583
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,680
achieve that.
So we'll put the legal level

584
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,880
here because that's achievable.
That's it, which is scary, but

585
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,360
that's what we're dealing with.
That is scary.

586
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,560
I mean, like, it just, it makes
me sad and it makes me mad and

587
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:03,240
it makes me like, but that's, I
imagine because we allow so many

588
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,200
other industries to pollute so
much, right?

589
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,720
Like it's.
It's partly that.

590
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,679
Domino effect.
It's partly that.

591
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,679
But, and I know I'm, I know I'm
Mr. Mitigator here, that's.

592
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,719
OK.
I don't.

593
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:21,120
I don't want to say it's all
the, the IT is absolutely DuPont

594
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:25,520
and other giant companies who
are poisoning our environment

595
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,840
for sure.
Like we wouldn't have forever

596
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,920
chemicals probably with well, we
might, but I don't know there

597
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,920
would be less forever chemicals
without DuPont, but just by way

598
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,000
of example.
But yeah, there are many,

599
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,520
there's many, many contaminants
that are man made, absolutely.

600
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,080
But there is the periodic table
of elements.

601
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,239
Periodic table of elements has,
I don't know half, I don't know

602
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,360
exactly know how many of the
contaminants on there are bad

603
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,840
for you.
Arsenic is on the periodic table

604
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,280
of elements.
It's one of the, it's a

605
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,680
massively prolific metal.
If you look on the Department of

606
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,040
Agriculture website, they will
do a map for arsenic and you'll

607
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,480
see that it's just everywhere.
So it's going to be in your

608
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,040
water.
So it's not just man made, there

609
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,640
is there is a lot of this.
It's just natural that we're

610
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,840
just dealing with because we've
expanded into areas where we are

611
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,560
like, OK, let's put water here,
Let's dig for water here now.

612
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,320
And we find water that has
contaminants in it naturally,

613
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,360
but it is definitely also man
made.

614
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:33,240
They did a recent study on I
think 19 river knows 23 rivers.

615
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:36,000
My memory is failing me.
It's like 23 rivers in middle

616
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,960
America. 19 of them had forever
chemicals above the level that

617
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,320
you would want for health. 19
out of the 20 threes and that is

618
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,200
absolutely 100% man made.
Microplastics, 100% man made

619
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,320
factory.
Most of the VOC's, not all of

620
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,600
them.
All man made pesticides.

621
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,040
Almost all man made.
Well, I guess all technically,

622
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,520
but the pesticides have been
around at some form or another

623
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,120
by humans for a long time too,
so.

624
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,760
So that's absolutely true that
there's a lot of the blame has

625
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,640
to do with humans and it is
definitely worth being angry

626
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,680
over, but some of it is natural
too.

627
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,480
So if all we were dealing with
was natural, it would probably

628
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,200
be a lot easier.
That's true.

629
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,600
Much, much easier.
Yes, yes, you're right about

630
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,200
that.
OK, look, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm a

631
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,480
capitalist.
I'm not mad about capitalism.

632
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,480
I'm just like, I guess, angry
with greed.

633
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,600
Yeah.
Where I draw the line.

634
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:44,480
But yeah, anyway, I mean, OK, so
go ahead.

635
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,400
The thing about capitalism is
part of the way people get money

636
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,360
is by shunting their
externalities off onto others.

637
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,280
And by externalities I'm talking
about the benefit they get that

638
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,040
creates a cost that other people
have to bear.

639
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,800
So that is a contaminant that
is, that is an externality as in

640
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:11,160
like a carbon footprint or a a
volume of waste product that is

641
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,200
now in the supply that we just
discussed would be lower and

642
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,080
that would definitely lead to a
lower water bill.

643
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,080
If there were no human
contaminants in the water, it

644
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,000
would absolutely mean a lower
water bill.

645
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,200
So that externality that we're
paying for is a profit margin

646
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,920
for the companies that created
it.

647
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,160
So capitalism is definitely
valid to bring up here.

648
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,760
I'm also a capitalist.
But like it is, it is it is a

649
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,120
interesting thing that if you
were to capture all of the

650
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,920
externalities for these
businesses, would they be

651
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,600
profitable?
Yeah.

652
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,280
Well, and that is another thing
that I mean, I talk about a lot

653
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,360
just in terms of like pet food
formulation in general with like

654
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,960
synthetics and pet food.
Because each one of these where

655
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,440
pet food is concerned, each one
of these vitamins or minerals

656
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,360
are tested in a vacuum to where
like this is the, this is what

657
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,200
that the amount of manganese
that this pet needs is this, but

658
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,480
it's not tested in combination
with all of the others.

659
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,840
And I feel like that is the
exact same thing that it's

660
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,240
happening with each individual
product, each individual company

661
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,040
is making.
Like yes, this is an allowable

662
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,240
limit for what you are making in
this one product.

663
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:32,120
But then when we combine it with
all of the products that we are

664
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,480
using and consuming on a daily
basis, it far exceeds what we

665
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,920
should be doing.
And then again, to your point,

666
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,280
the downstream effect of how
they got there in the 1st place,

667
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,720
how they eliminated everything
out like it's just, it's, it's

668
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,840
overwhelming to start and end
this podcast with overwhelm.

669
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:57,480
And just to pile on, there is
absolutely no requirement for

670
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,920
them to follow a pet based
standard for maximum

671
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,880
contaminants in pet food either
or in the type of water they use

672
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,320
when they're creating the pet
food.

673
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,800
So those are.
All there aren't maximums on a

674
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,240
lot, even if they like copper,
for example, is a big one and

675
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,840
that we're dealing with a lot
lately in the past like decade

676
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,200
is, is that there isn't a
maximum on copper.

677
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,000
And I was actually just at AFCO
the past couple of years and

678
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,200
they, they, they basically were
like, yeah, no, we voted we're

679
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,880
not putting a maximum on copper.
Sorry, it's not happening.

680
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,760
So I get it.
It's, it's, it's frustrating

681
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,760
and, and it just applies to
literally everything.

682
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,640
And like you said, the water
they're using to to make it, we

683
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,360
have no control over that.
Bottled water bad.

684
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,440
Tap water, really bad.
I mean, all of it really bad.

685
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,920
Carbon, great, you're going to
get some things, but you're not

686
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,960
going to get everything.
Reverse osmosis, really good.

687
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,080
Reverse osmosis, adding minerals
back best.

688
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,680
OK.
That's a great summary.

689
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,800
Especially for pets.
Yeah, yeah, OK.

690
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,880
I mean, then that's my concern.
Like if it's good enough for my

691
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,800
pets, it's good enough for me.
It's kind of how I feel about

692
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,440
it.
If it's good enough for me, it's

693
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,360
still not necessarily good
enough for my pets.

694
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,960
That's exactly right.
And then I don't even want to

695
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,560
say this, but some also want to
be careful about the type of

696
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,640
bowl you're putting water in
because you definitely don't

697
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,480
want like a copper bowl.
You want stainless steel is OK,

698
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,560
but even stainless steel can
begin to corrode, especially if

699
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,240
you're having ultra pure water
in it.

700
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,640
But glass or ceramic, those are
great.

701
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,720
That's that type of stuff is
great.

702
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,800
Plastics.
Not the best, no.

703
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,320
Yeah, definitely don't recommend
plastics.

704
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,320
I know.
And stainless is is iffy to me

705
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,840
too, but also there are
different types of stainless and

706
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,000
then like knock off stainless
and like that confuses me and

707
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,120
I'm like, I'm just stick not
doing stainless.

708
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:02,120
I mostly do ceramics also
because like I love glass, but

709
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:07,040
I, I know that there are some
glass has a lot of lead in it

710
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,840
and I'm like, I don't want to
deal with that either.

711
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,360
Yeah, a lot of them.
Glass, made in the US at this

712
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,440
point, won't have lead now.
Yeah, yeah.

713
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,760
And I know if you're, if you're
a dog owner's got a really big

714
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,160
dog, there's no way you're
putting down a glass bowl.

715
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:26,280
Yeah, for a really big dog then.
Probably not even ceramic.

716
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,360
Yeah, probably not even ceramic,
but luckily they have a much

717
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,240
higher body weight, so yeah, a
little bit less of a problem.

718
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,920
Yeah.
And then ceramics I replace

719
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,560
pretty often because if it ever
gets a chip in it, it's done.

720
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,480
Yeah.
I know that I hate that so much.

721
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,160
If I go to a restaurant and I'm
served a plate that has a chip

722
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,200
in and I'm like, somebody call
the health inspector like right

723
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,120
now.
Anyway, yeah, if that glaze is

724
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,120
broken at all, then I'm not not
dealing with that.

725
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,240
I mean, there is just no perfect
solution.

726
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:02,120
But I appreciate your candor and
how difficult something has

727
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:08,720
simple that should be so simple
as water really, really is for I

728
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:11,400
think all of us.
It's just like the world, you

729
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,080
know, I was just talking to
somebody the other day and

730
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,360
they're like, well, you know, we
say that glyphosate is

731
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,280
ubiquitous, but what does that
actually mean?

732
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,360
That actually means that like,
how can we even guarantee an

733
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,560
organic fruit or vegetable
because of rain?

734
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,200
Like, you know, it's just, it's
just a really tough, tough place

735
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,520
we're in right now and we have
to vote with our dollars.

736
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,480
Yeah, absolutely.
I agree.

737
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,600
Yeah, well, city and thank you
so much for all of this

738
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,120
knowledge, all of this
information Can people if they

739
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,080
if they want to go get a PhD in
water.

740
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,080
You have a blog.
Do you have What can people do?

741
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,520
I'm on a lot.
I mean, I don't have a blog.

742
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,000
I should probably have a blog.
You should have a sub stack.

743
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,640
Okay, maybe you can tell me how
to do that.

744
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,800
Honestly, I don't know what
you're talking about, but I'm

745
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,320
happy to learn.
I'm on a lot of podcasts.

746
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,800
So, but I don't have my own
podcasts.

747
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,560
I don't know, I'm just if anyone
can find me though, my name is

748
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,200
so unique if they look me up
they'll find a phone number.

749
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,760
OK, yeah, I mean, I appreciate
that.

750
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,000
And a sub stack is kind of cool.
It's where a lot of people went

751
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,360
when they were censored on, you
know, the big Twitter when it

752
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,920
was Twitter and YouTube and all
of the places when when they

753
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:29,000
were censored, a lot of people
started sub stacks, which

754
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,720
basically are like, it's like
you just write, it's a blog and

755
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,600
and they're different like tiers
where you can put out like a

756
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,840
free blog and then you can have
like a subscriber or series

757
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,520
where like if you pay X number
of dollars a month, you know,

758
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,560
3-5 dollars, whatever, Then you
get even more information from

759
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,000
me.
It's interesting.

760
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,320
I only subscribe to a couple of
people there, but it's

761
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,040
definitely information that I
know I wouldn't be able to get

762
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,280
elsewhere.
Kind of that.

763
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,440
That's really cool.
Yeah, it is.

764
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,600
And I think you have a topic
that is niche enough that people

765
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,600
really would be looking for it
there.

766
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,880
OK.
I'll do it.

767
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,960
I'll figure out what you're
talking about and learn about it

768
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,400
next.
Great, So Next up is sitting in

769
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,600
on sub stuff.
No, really though, I appreciate

770
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,320
it because I'd still feel
slightly overwhelmed and I feel

771
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,080
less overwhelmed.
I feel like now and I think I

772
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,560
still feel overwhelmed because
I'm in a like renting situation

773
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,440
and I'm like, OK, how am I going
to do this to where like me and

774
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,720
my pets are still getting the
benefit.

775
00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,400
But then I'm not like, I don't
know, drilling holes in the

776
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,560
countertop or I don't and this
is where I'm at.

777
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,360
But you know, still, we'll
figure it out and.

778
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,280
You don't have to be happen to
be lucky have to have a soap

779
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,360
dispenser or anything in that.
No.

780
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,200
Well, there's a yeah, the hose
thingy.

781
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,560
That's it.
You could lose that and then

782
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,920
when you move out you could have
them swap it back.

783
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,840
That would be a way to do it.
Yeah, yeah.

784
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,120
OK, cool.
Because I definitely, you know,

785
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,280
there's so many things we need
to be doing and water is just a

786
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,320
fundamental one that it's like,
yeah, yeah.

787
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,040
Awesome.
Well, thank you so much for all

788
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,960
of that information, all of your
knowledge.

789
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,520
Yeah.
Look up Cydian if if you have

790
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,480
more questions.
Obviously, his profile is linked

791
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,120
on the website
thepetparentingreset.com if you

792
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,320
want to learn more about him.
And again, thank you so much for

793
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,880
all of this wonderful knowledge.
I appreciate you.

794
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,920
Thank you, Jessica.
I appreciate you having me up.

795
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,200
Of course guys, I will talk to
you again next week.

796
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,280
Until then, please give your
pets some extra love from me and

797
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,680
from city in this week and I
will talk to you later.