235. The 6 Steps to Transforming Health—for Pets (and You) with Dr. Marlene Siegel

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Hey there, it's Jess.
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holistic pet health coach, the

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founder of Wild Wellness Pet,
and the host of the Pet

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something better, a better way
to raise healthier pets, welcome

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to the Pet Parenting Reset.
Welcome back pet parent.

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Today's episode is actually a
Pet Health Junkies episode.

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So I know not everybody who
listens to the pet parenting

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Reset also listens to Pet Health
Junkies, and that's OK.

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I absolutely love Pet Health
Junkies, but it doesn't come out

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nearly as often, obviously, as
the Pet parenting reset.

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And so I think it kind of gets
sometimes a little forgotten

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about, which I'm not mad about
when we have an episode with a

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guest and it turns out to be
like, oh, this is really, really

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amazing stuff.
I don't want you to miss it.

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And so I am giving you that
content today.

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It is an episode with Doctor
Marlene Siegel.

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And actually we are going going
to be doing a follow up episode

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with her.
So I will be posting that on

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this channel as well.
Doctor Marlene Siegel has been

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on the pet parenting reset
before, but this particular

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episode that we did with her is
all about detoxing because we

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talk a lot about detoxing, but
what does that actually mean and

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how do we actually do it?
And I feel like sometimes that

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gets locked.
I don't even like, are we

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talking about this?
I don't know.

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I know we talked about detox.
Are we talking about how to do

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it?
But are we talking about how to

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do it the right way?
But are we talking about what

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needs to be in place in the body
to be able to detox?

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Because if we just try to detox
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Our.
Detox pathways are not open.

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That can actually cause more
problems than where we were at

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to begin with.
So again, there's there's

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there's so many things we talked
about in this podcast episode

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with Doctor Marlene Siegel.
I don't want to belabor it

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because you're going to hear all
about it.

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So here you go.
This is the Pet Health Junkies

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episode that we just released
with Doctor Marlene Siegel on

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detoxing for your pets.
I know you're going to love

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this.
Come back to me wherever you

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are.
Instagram is my favorite place

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to be and let me know what you
think and I will talk to you

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next week.
Originally, Doctor Siegel, we

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wanted to have you come on and
talk about your stick 6 steps.

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I think that's what we had
talked about.

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So I don't know.
I can do it in 15 minutes.

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OK, do you want to do that?
I do.

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I do get this light away from my
head.

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I look like I have a You're
good.

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I got a globe here.
You look amazing and as always.

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Thank you.
I've been doing like one thing

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after another.
OK so 6 steps.

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I, I want to set the stage for
this because there is so much

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noise and so much confusion and
so many opinions and you know,

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everybody goes on social media
and they get the answers right.

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So it's like butt holes.
Everybody has one, some stink

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worse than others.
And, and so we have to figure

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out a plan that when, when you
build a house, you don't just

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throw the roof on you.
You start with the foundation

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and then that from that
foundation you put in the core

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functional pieces.
You know, the infrastructure has

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to go in and then after you have
the core foundation and the

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infrastructure is there and then
you build your walls and your

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roof, now you can start to
decorate.

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So I say it that way because I
think for a lot of people,

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they're on social media and they
hear a curcumin, it's

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anti-inflammatory, it's anti
cancer.

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Oh, we're going to feed our dog
curcumin.

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That is the painting and the the
add-ons that you can do in the

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house, but it's not contributing
to the foundation and the

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structure.
So here is the foundation and

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structure that we all can
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So step number one, stop doing
the things that are causing the

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problem and we look at food.
So we just talked very heavily

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on food.
Quit feeding processed foods

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here.
We yed there's other ways to get

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around it #2 is water.
It has to be structured and

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filtered water.
I think we, we had a water

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discussion once before #3 your
air quality extremely important

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because our homes have worse air
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world.
Outside is even cleaner because

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at least it rains and the wind
blows away toxins.

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But inside we don't have
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So we have to have better air
scrubbers in the house.

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And then the amount of cleaning
materials and things that touch

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our skin.
So our laundry soap, our

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cleaning supplies, we need to go
back to DIY, get rid of those

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xenoestrogens in our laundry
soap, go back to natural systems

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and then number whatever is the
electromagnetic frequency.

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This is really important because
right now we used to talk about

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dirty electricity and it and it
was an issue, but it's worse now

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because since COVID, these
electric companies have started

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to use the ground wire that
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I don't even know how to explain
all that, but anyhow, they're

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loading that with frequency and
that's creating way more dirty

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electricity coming into the
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So there are devices now that
can be put on your, the

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electricity as it's coming out
of the panel and coming into the

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house to actually get rid of all
of that dirty electricity

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because it is wicked bad.
And then smart appliances, all

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the things that we're doing,
like I'm hardwired right now.

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And so I'm mitigating the amount
of EMF that I'm having to deal

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with.
Don't keep phones near your head

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and all that.
And then the last we had food,

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we have water, we have air
quality, we have the everything

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that touches our skin, the EMF.
And then the last one, which I

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think is equally important to
all of the rest, are the ants in

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our brain.
And those are the automatic

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negative thoughts.
And why that's important is

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because when we have a thought
or an emotion attached with that

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thought, we create
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We're literally signaling the
inside of our body, our cells,

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our mitochondria are
communicating to the microbiome

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and they're telling our genome
what to do so in order to

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survive.
So when we have a lot of

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negativity, we're in high
sympathetic tone, we're angry,

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frustrated, we're blame, we're
shame, we're bitter, we we don't

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forgive.
Those set off an entirely

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different neurochemistry to our
body, communicating that all the

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way down to our DNA.
And so our DNA is being changed

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thinking that we have a very
dangerous inhospitable world out

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there.
It doesn't know why, it just

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knows.
It's getting that neurochemical

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that's telling it that when you
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gratitude and joy and happiness,
I try to go there at least 90%

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of my day.
And it's probably higher because

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I really don't let a lot of
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And so now you're creating a
whole different set of

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neurochemicals that are then
going out and communicating to

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your cells.
Why that's important to our pets

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is because they entrain to our
frequency.

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So as we send off that signal,
they look to us and they go, I

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don't know where the Saber
toothed tiger is, but I can tell

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based on your frequency that I
have to stay on high alert

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because it's out there versus I
have a safe world.

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I can rest, I can digest, I can
repair, and I can detoxify.

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OK, so that's step number one.
Step number 2 is we have to have

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those essential nutrients that
the body has to have in order to

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run its metabolic functions.
So I know we look like some

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fancy thing here, but we have
all these chemical pathways that

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are happening under the skin and
they require these cofactors in

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order to make sure that they're
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As an example, vitamin D,
vitamin D and magnesium are

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required to run our innate
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That is the immune system that
does not operate under our

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conscious control.
So thank goodness that we don't,

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they don't have to send the
signal to the brain to say, hey,

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there is a dangerous thing
entering your body, you need to

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do something about it.
And we missed the memo, right?

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So the innate system works
without our conscious control

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and it just takes care of it.
Imagine if you're deficient in

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vitamin D or magnesium, that
system is off.

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Like literally offline.
Well, 85%, this is a university

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study. 85% of dogs that were
eating a kibble diet were tested

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and they were vitamin D
insufficient. 5% eating kibble

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were vitamin D deficient because
the diet's insufficient because

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that meat, if there was even
meat in it, was never out in the

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sun.
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So yeah, am I tying it together
so you see how important this

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is?
So for me, I can't.

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And I live in a food forest,
guys, so I don't even know the

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quality of the nutrients in my
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Hey.
I have a lot of gratitude for

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the food.
And I enjoy eating it, but I

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still take my essential
vitamins, minerals, fatty acids

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and amino acids.
Those are the four things that

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you have to have for your body
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And the same goes for the pets.
So in my opinion, I think that

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we need to feed that species
appropriate diet and we need to

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supplement with these essential
nutrients that we don't care

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terror if they're not in the
food because you're not

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overdosing it.
The worst that can happen is you

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pee out some extra nutrients, no
problem, but at least you know

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that they're there.
Number 3 is to heal the leaky

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gut.
And I would stick my neck out

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and tell you that 95% of the
animals that we're dealing with,

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if not higher, have leaky gut.
What does that look like?

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It looks like the picky eater.
It looks like the animal with

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skin problems, ear infections,
GI issues, autoimmune diseases,

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cancer ain't doing right.
All of those are examples of

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animals that have bad digestion.
They have leaky gut.

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So we have protocols to fix
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But of course, you can't fix the
gut till you stop damaging it.

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Let's use some common sense #4
is my area of passion, which is

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detoxification of all six organs
of elimination.

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We have a kidney, colon, lungs,
liver, skin and lymphatics slash

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fascia.
Fascia really deserves its own,

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but I'm going to stick them
together for now because the

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lymph runs through the fascia.
The fascia is all that space

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that we thought was empty.
None of it's empty.

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So when we are unable to support
those organs of elimination and

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people get sicker and sicker,
then it's because they can't get

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rid of the toxins.
So that's why they end up

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getting sicker is you've got all
this toxicity coming in and your

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organs of elimination, which
were designed to get rid of all

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of that, aren't functioning.
So we have to support those

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organs of elimination.
I've got tons and tons of

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information how to do that.
Number 5 is the mitochondria.

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So we have these little
organisms that live in and our

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cells, trillions of them, and
they make energy for our body.

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How cool is that?
If they are not healthy, if they

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are not happy, if there's not
enough of them, then not only do

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we not have enough energy to
function, run all of our

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biological pathways and still
enjoy life, but they also

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communicate with the microbiome,
all those microorganisms in and

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on us, and they communicate
what's happening from what we're

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feeding them information.
So we're the our eyes and ears

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and our thoughts are the lunar
modules sending information back

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that then goes to the
mitochondria, to the microbiome

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and it tells our genome what to
do.

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And I want to mention one other
thing, because right now we're

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in a world where it's anti
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antifungal.
Well, that's actually anti life

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is what we're talking about
because we use more functional

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genes from the microbiome by
something like 100 to 1.

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Then we do our own functional
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In other words, if we didn't
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lived in symbiotic relationship
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genetic information, their
functional genes, we could not

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survive.
And the more we kill them off,

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the more functionality we lose.
So what we really want to focus

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on is the terrain of the body.
How do we make home for all of

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us?
We're we're like for the ship.

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And that ship has to stay
healthy in order for all the

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microbes and organisms to
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It's when the terrain becomes
bad that they go, Oh my gosh, my

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ship is going down.
I need to do something.

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So they become, they produce
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weeds in the garden.
The weeds are not the enemy, The

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pathogens are not the enemy.
They're simply telling us that

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the terrain is bad.
So we need to focus on how do we

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make a happier terrain and then
not try to kill all the

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pathogens because we're in
killing the pathogens, we're

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also killing the good guys.
And then last but not least, I

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did this another 10 minutes.
Last but not least is the

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trapped emotion.
So all dis ease, there is no

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disease.
There is dis ease, meaning the

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body is not in homeostasis.
We're not in balance and all dis

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ease has trapped emotions
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So when we can decipher what
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are associated with that
particular challenge, then we

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can transmute those emotions
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release them and then go on to
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How is that?
It was amazing.

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I do want one point of
clarification, which I think

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think hopefully anybody
listening would be like Jessica,

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but just for clarification, when
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the essential nutrients and that
you supplement those, you are

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referring to not synthetics
because we just established

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earlier with food that we're not
looking for synthetics, right?

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Yes, but in like the B vitamin
classification, some of them may

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be bioavailable because they
they, you can't get therapeutic

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levels of B vitamins in just
your food.

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So these are like bioidentical,
they're not technically

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synthetic, but they're not
technically the natural like at

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out of the plant because it has
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So it boosted in a normal way.
But these and it's not all of

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them.
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the B vitamins because they are
so critical to our overall

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well-being.
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them, it affects everything.
So we have to be able to have

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therapeutic levels and that's
the difference between eating

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your salad every day and taking
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Men, the goal is to have
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So think about vitamin C and we
don't make vitamin C in our

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body, but our dogs do.
I was involved in clinical

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trials and we were able to prove
that dogs that are dealing with

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cancer aren't able to produce as
much vitamin C as they did when

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they were in a healthy state.
So we need to supplement them.

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We need to provide more support
and for me, taking the essential

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vitamins, minerals, fatty acids
and immunity, amino acids are

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that support, right?
It's like an analogy.

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If there's something not working
in your car and you're really

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not sure what it is, then do you
by process of elimination start

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figuring out where the problem
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What if you could just provide
the body with the essentials

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that it needs there in a
bioavailable form?

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Same thing with amino acids.
And like amino acids come from

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our protein, when we digest our
protein properly, we release the

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individual unit of that protein,
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Now it's able to be picked up by
the intestinal tract, carried to

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the liver.
The liver either uses it for

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building or it stores it.
But when it's deficient in our

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food, so we're going to get a
little technical here, but

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glyphosate, that terrible
product that is raining down on

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us and spread worldwide.
Now glyphosate blocks a pathway

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in the bacteria called the
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This shikimate pathway is
responsible for producing the

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three amino acids that make up
our ability to produce dopamine,

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serotonin are feel good
hormones.

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So if the plant can't produce it
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where are you getting it from
because your body doesn't

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produce those?
So again, it comes back to, I'm

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just going to make sure that all
those essential nutrients are in

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the body in a bioavailable form.
Now I don't have to worry about

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it.
That makes sense, yes.

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Yes.
And I'm, I'm not only thinking

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like, OK, we're not getting it
necessarily.

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We may or may not be from our
food because like you said, our

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soils are depleted and you know,
so many, most of the food that

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we have in our human food
supply, certainly it's just not

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raised properly to actually have
viable nutrients in it.

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But Step 3 was healing leaky
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And I feel like, you know, there
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certainly in more severe cases
of leaky gut, they may not even

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be able to get those nutrients,
whatever is there in their food.

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Yeah, very absolute correct
statement.

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The worst the gut is the and
your digestion overall.

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Like if your bacteria are off
because you've had multiple

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rounds of antibiotics, I'm
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Now if they've been spayed and
neutered, they've been on

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antibiotics.
Their home arms are screwed up.

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Now, you know, all these layers
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So now we have poor digestion.
They eat protein, but they they

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may not have enough enzymes to
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Where when you're eating living
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enzymes already in it to break
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That's why food rots.
So when you have an apple and

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you bruise it, you're bruising
some of the cells, which is

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releasing the enzymes that are
used to digest apple.

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Now, when you bite into it and
you chew it, you're releasing

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those enzymes as well.
But if you ever watch things,

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when it rots in the
refrigerator, it starts in one

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spot and then it spreads because
as those enzymes are moving out,

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they're going into the next
layer of cell.

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They break that down, they
release their enzyme, they go

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into the next layer.
So when we're eating living

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food, we are using those enzymes
to aid in our digestion.

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Our pancreas was never designed
to do all the work by itself.

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It was designed to be the backup
organ.

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So if you need a little bit more
enzyme to breakdown protein or

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sugars or fats or whatever, then
it gives you that extra little

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push.
We're feeding our animals such

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highly processed foods that the
only thing they're digesting

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with is their pancreas.
So is it a surprise that they

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get?
Pancreatic diseases, and they

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get insulin resistance and they
get pancreatic cancer and

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pancreatitis.
Not a shock.

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You know it.
When you understand what's

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happening at the biological
level, it makes a lot of sense.

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It does.
I want to give Pam and Janet

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some time to talk to you too.
Now, this has been fabulous and

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thank you for running through
that so quickly, but it's you.

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Hit on a lot of really great
points that people tend to.

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Overlook.
Because they zero in on, you

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know, one or two things, but
they forget the other things

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that are just as important.
And I think when you look at a,

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you know, from a synergistic
perspective, they're all

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contributing to stress and
disease in the body.

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So we have to address all those
areas or you will not have true

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health and healing.
Absolutely.

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And it's balance, you know,
we've lost because there's so

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much confusion, there's so much
noise, there's so many dangly

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objects.
We forgot how to build the

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foundation and how to put the
infrastructure in place and then

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create the final product.
So everything that I do is very

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pinpoint.
It's a methodical process of

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being able to fix some
biological process.

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And it doesn't mean that there
would.

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Maybe there's other products
that you could use.

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I've just curated the things
that have become really good

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under my hands.
Again, maybe a lot of other

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things that are out there, but
the thought process is the same.

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You want to fix from the ground
up, you want to build the

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terrain, you want to support the
body so that it can actually do

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its job.
We don't heal anything, ladies.

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We are simply either getting in
the way or we're supporting the

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system, but the system knows
what to do.

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We've screwed it up.
Yeah, I think from my

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perspective, being a retail
store, it is so challenging with

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every person that walks through
the door because the mass

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majority of pet parents going
back to even saying what you

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said about foundation, the
information that has been handed

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down to us for decades is not,
is just not truthful.

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That's a that's a pleasant way
of saying it.

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And and you know what?
It may be at the very top of the

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pyramid.
Maybe that was an evil intention

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that started it.
I don't know.

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But those of us who were trained
use veterinarians as an example.

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We all went into our profession
to do good, right?

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But we were taught a belief
system.

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And what is a belief system?
It's a thought we keep

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repeating.
So we have our mental body.

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Can I go over the five bodies?
Might have done this before.

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You have your spiritual body,
your connection to higher

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consciousness.
Then you have your mental body,

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which is where our thoughts come
in.

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Then the emotional body, where
our emotions come from, and we

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have them on the full spectrum.
We go from the lowest frequency,

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which is the lowest frequency,
which is shame, all the way to

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the highest frequency, which is
actually gratitude.

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How cool is that?
And so, and it's that spectrum.

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And I think part of the game is
to be able to identify those low

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frequencies and move them to the
physical body so that they

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manifest into our physical
experience.

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So.
So a belief is simply a thought

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married to an emotion that you
feel strongly about.

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Doesn't make it right, doesn't
make it wrong.

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So when we went to veterinary
school, we were taught to think

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that nutrition came in a bag and
that Hills and Yuka Nuba and

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these Purina were the end all be
all of nutrition and they knew

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what they were doing.
Right.

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Look at human nutrition, it's
not a whole lot different,

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right?
So we have been ton taught

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critical thinking skills.
We have been in kind of

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suppressed to the point where we
don't ask questions, but yet

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we're shown the truth and then
we don't connect to it.

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Like the dots are still
separated.

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But if you think about when we
watched Mutual of Omaha Wild

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Kingdom, who's old enough to
remember that?

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Raise your hand.
All right, Only two of us.

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Well, in Perkins, right?
I don't know if they still have

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replays, but it was amazing.
We we learned every week.

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We learned about wild animals
and how they lived in the wild

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and how they killed another
animal and they ate it and blah,

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blah, blah.
National Geographics is our

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modern version of that.
We watch what nature does, and

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yet we don't look at nature for
our answers.

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I do because that is literally
my teacher.

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If I have a question about
anything, I will turn to nature

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and I will go find me that model
in nature.

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And then I'm going to model
after that because, you know,

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nature is sustainable.
So we just have to take back our

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critical thinking.
We have to take back our power.

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Our power to heal is in US.
We have given our power away.

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We have said, country, you take
care of US, government, you take

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care of us.
I'm going to trust agencies to

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make sure that my stuff is safe.
And I can't tell you in the

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beginning of my practice, when I
started understanding nutrition

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and people would say, but why
would why would they serve this

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in a restaurant or in a grocery
store if it wasn't healthy?

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Healthy, Yes, they can.
And they made money off of it.

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But now, you know, shame on us
once, but shame on us twice.

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No, no, no.
So now it's that time where we

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start becoming more discerning.
We start using our critical

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thinking skills.
We vote with our dollars.

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OK, Mike, everybody get that
vote with your dollars.

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When you pay for a meal at a
restaurant and you did not ask

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for seed oil free and gluten
free, then you are promoting

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00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,480
that business to continue to
poison people.

453
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,880
I can't make that any nicer.
So if I have to go out to eat

454
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,640
and I am apia to go pain in the
to go out to eat with because I

455
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,200
will call ahead now.
I will talk to the chef.

456
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,840
I will tell them I have an
allergy against canola and soy

457
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,600
and vegetable oil because they
know all three names.

458
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,640
And then I and I am 100% gluten
free.

459
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,800
I'll get very, very ill right
there at the table and so there

460
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,800
and most restaurants are really
good at taking care of that now.

461
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:33,160
So you have to stand up for
yourself because nobody that

462
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,280
chef, his job is to make good
food for you to eat for you to

463
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,680
enjoy it.
And you enjoy it in the moment,

464
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,400
but you don't enjoy it the next
day or the next year when it's

465
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:48,280
creating dis ease in the body.
So we have to stand up and be

466
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,920
our own advocate.
And when it comes to our pets,

467
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,960
we are their guardian.
We are the steward of the earth

468
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,360
and we are the guardian for our
pets.

469
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,240
And it's up to us to learn the
truth and then act upon it.

470
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,560
And it's not hard.
It just means evaluating your

471
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,680
belief system and going, maybe I
need to learn a little bit more.

472
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,440
And then once you learn more,
you can't unknown, you can't

473
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,200
Unsee, and you can't unhear.
So it's truly our responsibility

474
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:24,520
at as humans having an earthly
experience to learn and do

475
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,000
better.
Yes, How are you doing on time,

476
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,680
Pam?
I'm going to have to go all.

477
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:32,640
This has been great.
I can stay girls if you want

478
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,880
because I came on late.
I am so so sorry.

479
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,160
Apology, you're good.
I'm going to have to get rolling

480
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,840
too.
I do want to say though the back

481
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,680
to the foundation, the I think
the all of that about food is so

482
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,800
true.
And being in a retail

483
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:56,320
environment, we have these
choices and we make those best

484
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:00,840
choices, you know, that are
available to us to bring into

485
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:07,040
the market to offer to pet
parents and one of the like.

486
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,800
You have the different steps.
Well, when we're talking with

487
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:14,520
pet parents, we have to assess
where they are in the process.

488
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,720
And most of us are at the bottom
rung of the ladder just becoming

489
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:24,480
awake and kind of peeking behind
the veil, if you will, or behind

490
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,120
the Wizard of Oz curtain to say
what's really going on here.

491
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:32,760
Because we are in that time
period where people are being

492
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:38,680
not woke, awakened.
And you know, the ones who are

493
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:43,440
further along in that journey
are always more receptive

494
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,040
because as you mentioned, they
have to be ready to receive.

495
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,440
But we do have to keep it like
we have to water it down.

496
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,120
When you going back again to
foundation, I'm always gut

497
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,320
first.
Gut first because that's the

498
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,320
part of the receiving mechanism,
if you will.

499
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:05,520
And I think it's safe to assume
that 100% of the pets that walk

500
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:11,080
through the door anywhere have
leaky gut because we've just

501
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,320
started to learn in, in recent
years about leaky gut for

502
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,120
humans.
And again, like you said, it

503
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,520
translates from what we know for
ourselves.

504
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,680
We start to on that journey
think, OK, well, if it's true

505
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,080
for me, then it is.
How true is that for my pet?

506
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,880
And you know, it is, it's always
a good day when you have a, a

507
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,960
pet and all of them are well
meaning.

508
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,480
They're just a long different
points on the path or the

509
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,840
journey.
And it's up to us to question

510
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,200
them and to find out where they
are.

511
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,560
And then in that discussion
where we're talking, not just

512
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,680
food, we're talking about gut
health.

513
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,080
It's always a great day when
they are receptive to learning

514
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:03,880
about how critical the habitat
of the gut Biome is to, you

515
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,880
know, you can go buy the best
raw food, but if the gut is

516
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,880
unhealthy, it can only do so
much.

517
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,920
Yes.
Just when I think about you,

518
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,920
Doctor Siegel, I mean, you are,
you have eclipsed the ladder and

519
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,120
you are walking on that
tightrope.

520
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,000
And it would be, I mean, that's
just a, a dream to have

521
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,280
everybody, you know, myself
included, to be able to walk

522
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,800
where, how you walk and to, to
know what you know and to do the

523
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,720
things that you do.
And so I think on a practical

524
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,320
standpoint, as I see like all
three of us addressing our

525
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,760
relationships with our customers
and clients and it's OK, where

526
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,440
are they and where is that
jumping off point?

527
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,200
And I mean, for us in the retail
space, it is always gut health.

528
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:58,080
And it's the ones that aren't
ready to hear that or to wrap

529
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,520
their head around what we're
telling them.

530
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,360
And I'm just going to stick with
what I'm doing.

531
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,800
It's crushing.
Yeah.

532
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,640
Because when you know better,
you want to do better.

533
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,520
Yeah.
But, you know, imparting your

534
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,120
knowledge and then having it
received, I mean, maybe you.

535
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,040
Again, we're just at the very
tip of learning that learning

536
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,480
curve and it's just going to
open up, right?

537
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,960
That's what we can hope for.
And we were talking prior to you

538
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,720
joining us about trends in the
pet food industry and now we're

539
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,680
seeing the veterinary community
and and they're going to have to

540
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,360
adjust.
We foreshadowing and tell us

541
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,000
they're going to have to adjust
on this human food, real food.

542
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:54,000
You know, previously we're we're
going to die on that hill by

543
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,560
saying no, they need kibble it,
you know, it's that's the only

544
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,320
diet for them.
It gets the tartar off the

545
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,360
teeth, which I just love.
I'm like, actually, it does the

546
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,680
complete opposite.
But you know we're seeing all

547
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,440
the big pet food companies now
going to fresh food and that in

548
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,480
itself we were talking about
it's an opportunity to educate

549
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,400
because they have the dollars to
reach the market.

550
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,680
Hopefully the market will come
back and talk to us so we can

551
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:29,000
then talk about sourcing,
manufacturing and again in gut

552
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,520
so.
Yeah, some of these big box

553
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,720
companies are actually buying
some of the small raw boutiques.

554
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,680
So they don't know where the
trends are going.

555
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,800
You know, that's their job is to
do capitalism, which I'm a

556
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,920
capitalist.
I I love it, but not at

557
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,800
somebody's expense or, or to
harm others.

558
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,440
So yes, so we do see that trend
going and, and now the movement

559
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,040
is so big, even though I, I'll
call and get a consultation,

560
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,000
maybe at the lab and I'll ask
the question about, well,

561
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,040
couldn't we use diet to do XY or
Z?

562
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,600
And you can just see the doctor
roll their eyes.

563
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,440
But once in a while I'll get one
of these specialists and they'll

564
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,560
go, oh, tell me more about that.
And I've actually had a couple

565
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,760
of them take my veterinary
training course.

566
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,200
So yes, we are making headway.
And I think your point about

567
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,520
meeting people where they're at
is 1000% the right thing to do,

568
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,640
but we don't want to leave them
there.

569
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:26,720
We want to give them a little
bit of a loving embrace to take

570
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,360
one step forward.
So, you know, I think I've told

571
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,560
you this guys before.
I think I've shared that I tell

572
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,800
people to create a piece of
paper, fold it in half and make

573
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:42,000
column A column B and column A
are all the things that they're

574
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,080
learning about this podcast.
Anything, all the things that

575
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,280
they're learning about that
they're not doing yet, and that

576
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:53,040
becomes all of column A and then
column B are all the things we

577
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,960
shouldn't be doing.
We've been taught, but we're

578
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,560
still doing it because we
haven't learned the substitution

579
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,200
for it.
Now instead of being analysis

580
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,160
paralysis, and I did so
overwhelming, I won't do

581
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,560
anything now.
You just pick one thing from

582
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,440
column A to start and one thing
from column B to stop, and it

583
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,679
may be the same thing.
Maybe it's feeding 50% raw and

584
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,560
less kibble.
It makes enough to be 100%.

585
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,719
So do what you can, but do
something.

586
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,679
Don't stay in the same spot.
Einstein said Insanity is doing

587
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:28,000
the same thing over and over and
expecting a different result.

588
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:33,000
Well, we cannot ignore the
health or lack thereof of our

589
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,560
fur babies, so people will do
things for their pets that they

590
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,920
won't do for themselves.
So you guys are truly in the

591
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,199
groundbreaking position to be
able to help educate people how

592
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,199
to make that transition, even if
it's a little bit at a time.

593
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,000
It's OK.
I do not have the lifestyle I

594
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,920
have overnight.
Now when people hang out with

595
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,840
me, they go, this is freaking
amazing.

596
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,880
I don't think I could do it, but
it's amazing.

597
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:05,040
So, but you know, I've had over
40 years to implement and I

598
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,240
think almost every week
something new comes across my

599
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,760
wheelhouse and I integrate that
into it.

600
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,840
It's a little bit by a little
bit, but it was literally one

601
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,480
step at a time.
Sure.

602
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,480
So I think we need to do a
podcast where you guys come down

603
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,640
to my house and we do it in the
food forest.

604
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,800
Wouldn't that be cool?
Or we can do it from in my

605
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,200
office.
We'll do another one for my

606
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,920
office.
You know, I won't be late.

607
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,520
And so I'll be like, did that to
you guys twice, I think.

608
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,200
Anyway, my apologies.
And that would be cool.

609
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,240
Yeah, we could actually do a
live out of my office and just

610
00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:36,080
show all the different things
that I do.

611
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,000
That would be for everybody, but
everybody can find where they're

612
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,560
comfortable starting.
And I think that's a good place

613
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:50,040
to wrap it up is just everybody
has a jumping off point that

614
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,320
everyone can make small changes,
even if it's just one thing at a

615
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,480
time.
And it really is.

616
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:01,080
I was listening to you a couple
of wins, small wins have come

617
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:05,720
across, you know, this week and
it's we're on Wednesday.

618
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:09,920
So I think that's awesome.
But you know, when you're trying

619
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,280
to help a pet parent who may be
a little resistant to the new

620
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,160
knowledge that you have, you
know, planted there and you see

621
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:23,280
them come back and it's a
positive change that you've

622
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,200
helped them to make that that is
a celebration.

623
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,000
Because.
And one, one woman who literally

624
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,000
told me, don't tell me I don't
want to know.

625
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,120
And so for me, that was OK.
I'm overwhelming her back up.

626
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,360
You know, I don't you don't take
it personally.

627
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,040
And I was and I appreciated her
honesty and I said, OK, great.

628
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,480
Thank you.
I mean, I, I understand that

629
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,680
because I have been right where
you are standing where it was

630
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,520
like, OK, I've I've heard
enough.

631
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,640
I need to digest what I've
heard.

632
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:03,400
But we actually got her from I
don't know how to say this one

633
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,760
of the the unsavory big pet
foods and quote UN quote, you

634
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:12,960
know, air quote prescription
foods to the freezer one I got 1

635
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,480
Patty at a time.
Yeah, so.

636
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:23,560
And we, we now have like gotten
a 3 LB package of the fresh and

637
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,080
we've left the other stuff
behind.

638
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,000
So we're getting there.
We're getting there.

639
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:32,040
So we all started somewhere, you
know, and it doesn't matter

640
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,400
where you start, it's just the
fact that you're moving forward.

641
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,240
Yeah, I laugh because when the
first time that an independent

642
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:43,960
pet store owner talked to me
about raw food, I said what we

643
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,800
hear just thousands of people
say.

644
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,440
It's like raw food.
You want me to kill my dog

645
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,400
because I knew raw food from the
grocery store.

646
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,800
And it says intended for, you
know, to be cooked before being

647
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,280
consumed.
And that tells you how I knew

648
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,960
absolutely nothing.
I mean, I had been feeding, you

649
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,600
know, probably a Petco or
PetSmart, you know, kibble or

650
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,040
Tractor Supply kibble.
I don't even remember back then.

651
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,560
Yeah, and but I knew my dogs had
problems and I needed help.

652
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,160
And for whatever reason, what
the veterinarian had told me

653
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,840
that day, I said let me go and
research what you're telling me

654
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,600
before I make a decision.
And I went across the street to

655
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,280
an independent pet store that
was woman owned.

656
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,840
And she was my first
introduction to raw food.

657
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,840
And when she heard about the
description of Hank's ailments,

658
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:46,280
which were he was overweight, he
had oily fur and he had

659
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:50,040
allergies and yeast, you know,
just paw licking and scratching.

660
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,520
And she, she went for it.
She went for the jugular.

661
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:55,600
She goes, you need to switch him
to raw food.

662
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,080
I was my, my brain exploded.
And now my store is about to get

663
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,960
its 24th freezer.
I love it.

664
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,320
So I was speaking with a
specialist last week and it was

665
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,640
a dog that had a metabolic
problem.

666
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,600
And so she had her prescription
food that she had recommended.

667
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,160
And they said, well, I, I use a
raw diet and she goes, well,

668
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,720
that's very dangerous because it
it grows E coli and it's not

669
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:23,760
nutritionally balanced.
And she had all this

670
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,760
misinformation.
So I just took a loving deep

671
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,400
breath and they said, well, this
is actually a product that I

672
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,520
produce.
It comes out of AUSDA facility.

673
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:39,440
Everything is inspected for E
coli, listeria and salmonella by

674
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:45,120
the USDA and it's handled safer
than most human products are.

675
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,200
And it comes from a grass fed
grass finish source.

676
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,920
And I separate my micronutrients
from my macro nutrients.

677
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,800
And she got so defensive.
Well, you just do whatever you

678
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,000
think, and I'm OK.
But you know what?

679
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,800
I planted a seed and I am
sending love and compassion

680
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,480
because she's still a colleague
of mine.

681
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,520
She is another veterinarian.
And I know she's not saying

682
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,440
things because she's mean or
hateful.

683
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,040
She doesn't know better.
Now that I kind of like Siri,

684
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,560
you know when you say something
out loud and Siri start sending

685
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,560
you ads?
So now I planted that seed into

686
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,160
her mind and she's going to
start investigating.

687
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,520
She's going to start being
curious.

688
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,640
That's good, yeah.
That is excellent.

689
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,200
And like you said, you don't
take it personal.

690
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,600
She simply has a belief system
that is very strong and she

691
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,600
doesn't know better.
Yeah, I had a encounter with a

692
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,320
veterinarian in my store very,
very recently who was

693
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,360
eavesdropping on my conversation
with a couple.

694
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,360
And I am very honest in my
store.

695
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,800
I have I too have a belief
system and my belief system has

696
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,200
changed over the years.
And so we discussions of topic

697
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,160
were vaccinations, flea, tick
and heartworm, pesticides

698
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,800
because let's call them what
they are, kibble diet versus a

699
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,560
raw diet.
So we discussed tighter testing.

700
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:12,480
We discussed the lack of
holistic veterinarians in our

701
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,000
community and the distance that
you have to go if you if unless

702
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,120
you go online, you have to drive
a distance to get a holistic

703
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,640
veterinarian in our area.
She was visiting from out of

704
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:28,200
town.
Her mom shops with us and at the

705
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:34,120
when I realized that what had
been going on, I asked her if

706
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,200
she was a holistic or a
traditional veterinarian and she

707
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,960
has her own clinic and she is a
traditional veterinarian and I

708
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,720
asked her, would you become a
holistic veterinarian?

709
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,200
Because we.
We.

710
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,760
We need more and belief systems.
And her reaction?

711
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,240
Her reaction?
I did say.

712
00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:59,600
I hope I did not offend you with
my candid conversation because I

713
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,600
was very candid, as was she and,
and she tolerated it.

714
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,840
But she did say, she said, you
know, I was trained a certain

715
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,520
way.
And this is going back to belief

716
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,120
systems.
I was trained a certain way and

717
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:19,520
I'm so invested and I have my
own clinic and in order to learn

718
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,960
that, it would take so much time
and I don't have that time.

719
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,760
Yeah, wrong belief.
Though yeah, that's a misbelief.

720
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,200
She chooses to continue down
that path.

721
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:33,520
And that's where my heart
breaks.

722
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,320
My heart breaks not even a
little, a lot.

723
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,360
Because going back to if you
know better, do better.

724
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,160
And when you know better and you
choose to continue to do what

725
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,640
you've done, there's a lot.
Yeah.

726
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,200
I don't know that I have the
right word to say it right now,

727
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,120
but that is a little.
It's disconcerting to hear.

728
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,200
It makes me sad to hear.
Yeah, and you know, the truth of

729
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,440
the matter is she she wants to
do good.

730
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,840
Yes.
To look at your client and say

731
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,720
I'm sorry, there's nothing more
I can offer except euthanasia.

732
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,040
They that that is takes part of
our heart out like you really

733
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,960
suffer with that person in their
pet.

734
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,320
So she just doesn't know that
there's other options.

735
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,280
She doesn't know that there is a
bigger tool kit.

736
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,880
Right.
You know, maybe dropping a link

737
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:29,280
to one of my talks or one of my
slideshow presentations or my

738
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,320
course for veterinarians,
sharing something like that.

739
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,400
And just saying, I know you're
not happy when you have to look

740
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,720
at a client and say there's
nothing more that you can do.

741
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,920
But here are some other
veterinarians who have found

742
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,440
another path.
They've found a bigger toolkit

743
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,560
and even just even talking about
ozone, because ozone is becoming

744
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:54,920
such a prominent conversation.
So even if all she did

745
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,400
differently was include ozone in
her conversation and she can

746
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,520
include that into her practice
for a nominal investment and a

747
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,600
very short learning curve, and
you're not doing any harm.

748
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,400
So even great like that would be
amazing.

749
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,640
That's a very good point because
there are things you don't have

750
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,560
to go for it.
You can just start taking

751
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,240
courses and learn something like
you said, the pick something

752
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:22,960
from column A and start
incorporating that.

753
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:25,760
And I don't know if that point
when you could drop something

754
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,920
from column B in her situation,
but hopefully, hopefully I

755
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,320
planted a seed and it would make
her maybe look into it.

756
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,760
Yeah, I'm.
Going to get in touch with her,

757
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,760
but maybe she'll listen to this,
you know, or come across you.

758
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,440
Maybe she'll go look.
Yeah.

759
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,920
And and I think that's where we
do find a lot of veterinarians.

760
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,400
They finally get so discouraged
and they're, you know,

761
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,320
compassion fatigue is that we
have in the veterinary industry

762
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:57,600
the largest suicide rate of any
industry because veterinarians

763
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,600
really do care.
We care with all of our heart

764
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,440
and we spend so much of our time
and our energy and we it's not a

765
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,760
high paying industry.
So you know, these people out

766
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,480
there really doing it for the
right reasons and to know that

767
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,240
you've not been able to be
successful or that animal still

768
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:20,240
died or you didn't have another
option to offer it can really.

769
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:23,480
And then the worst part is
clients who want to turn around

770
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,120
and blame and shame their
veterinarian.

771
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,440
And that is devastating.
If you guys listening out there,

772
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:35,640
don't ever, ever, ever think
that your words aren't

773
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,480
meaningful and painful.
I mean, it could crush somebody.

774
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,200
I know too many of my colleagues
that literally euthanize

775
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,480
themselves in their offices.
They committed suicide because

776
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,240
the pain and the shame that
people were doing to them.

777
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:55,040
Especially now we got social
media and people can do reviews

778
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,440
and oh, it's a biased review.
Yes.

779
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:04,280
I have so much confidence in who
I am as a human being that if

780
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,000
somebody says things about me
that aren't true, I just behave

781
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,760
so that they don't believe that.
You.

782
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,320
Know because you can't do
anything else about it, but just

783
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,640
keep your head up and be the
person that you know you are.

784
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:23,040
And that's that's easy to say,
but for those who are, they have

785
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,640
other things going on in their
life.

786
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,760
They have, you know, that the
pressures, the depression, the

787
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,840
whatever, you know, it just
turns into a really sad

788
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,920
situation.
So let's all just be more kind

789
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,800
and compassionate.
Remember the old we grew up

790
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,000
saying, if you don't have
anything nice to say, don't say

791
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,640
anything at all.
Like what if we went back to

792
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,920
that?
Like you don't have to hurt

793
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,720
somebody to make you feel
better.

794
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,920
What if you just acknowledge the
fact that you have a difference

795
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,720
of an opinion.
You're coming from different

796
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:57,200
places and everybody has the
right to be in their own belief

797
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,080
system.
I don't have to change you.

798
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,840
You don't have to change me.
We can agree to disagree.

799
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,600
These are old adages like me to
learn this growing up, at least

800
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,320
at my age.
I learned it growing up and I've

801
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,280
lived that principle my whole
entire life.

802
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,040
Even when I was married, I did
not say things in anger.

803
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,040
I because I knew you can't take
them back.

804
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,360
Right.
Well, in the, in, the fortunate

805
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,160
thing is, is we do have choices
and options.

806
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,320
And so if one's belief system
does not align with the

807
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,280
practitioner that they're going
to, whether it be for themselves

808
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,240
or their pets, family member,
whatever it may be, you have

809
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,400
choices.
And so just like you call around

810
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,880
to restaurants to see, you know,
if they're serving up, you know,

811
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,480
healthy food options that align
with your belief system, you can

812
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,440
do that with your your health
practitioners, your

813
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,200
veterinarians, where you shop
for groceries, you know, just

814
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,280
anything.
Yeah, absolutely.

815
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,080
Spend your dollars on businesses
that are going to help support

816
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,680
you, your pet and Mother Earth,
period.

817
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,680
I mean, it's not hard.
You definitely can choose where

818
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,720
you're putting your dollar
because they are a vote yes.

819
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:17,320
And if enough people during, I
mean during COVID, if there were

820
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,280
enough people that would have
stood up and said no, the whole

821
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,560
thing would have collapsed in on
the whole system.

822
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,120
But they didn't.
And so many people got so

823
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,880
harmed, the IT was sad.
It was really sad.

824
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,600
So I just try to live by that
principle.

825
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,760
Make a choice, make a decision,
learn, and then make that

826
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,000
decision based on some form of,
I don't want to say scientific

827
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,920
evidence because science has
been so bastardized and so

828
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,760
misused.
But it still has to make common

829
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,480
sense.
It has to follow know nature's

830
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,320
principles that and then we have
to use our critical thinking

831
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,000
skills and say, is somebody
making money off of this or are

832
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,560
they really looking at for my
highest and best good?

833
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,520
And nobody is going to protect
you but you.

834
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:11,280
The power to heal is within us.
Period, end of story.

835
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,880
Don't be blaming your
government.

836
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,800
Don't be blaming the grocery
store or your vet or your doctor

837
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,920
or your pet store.
Take responsibility and support

838
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,560
those that are supporting you in
a healthy, sustainable way.

839
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,880
Very good.
Thank you so much.

840
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,040
I know.
I think that's like a perfect

841
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,480
place to end, too.
That was a very powerful

842
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,280
statement, a perfect place to
end.

843
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,520
Well, thank you ladies and thank
you for letting me barge in at

844
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:43,080
the 11th hour and.
We appreciate you so much.

845
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,640
Thank.
You well, I I want to come back

846
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:48,280
on.
I want to do more work with you

847
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,800
guys.
I love what you're doing.

848
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,760
I really love the idea of doing
1 from my office and one from

849
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,320
the food forest.
I think that would be cool.

850
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,400
Me too, definitely.
All right, well, I got a big

851
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,480
house and lots of bedrooms, so
you let me know when you're

852
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,240
coming.
I love it.

853
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,320
Thank you so much, Doctor
Siegel.

854
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,080
You're welcome, guys.
Bye.

855
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:10,880
Bye bye, have a great rest of
your week.

856
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,360
Bye.
Bye.