239. Do Animals Mirror Our Emotions? Animal Communication with Lisa Tully

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Today we are diving into the woo
woo again because it's one of my

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favorite places to be and I have
a very special guest all the way

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from Ireland.
And one of the things that I

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find like the coolest.
I don't know why this just like

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hit me this morning when I was
going over her website, right

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there on the homepage, it says
sacred animal medicine.

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And that that hit me this
morning like really hard.

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I don't know what it was about
it like they're just three

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simple words.
But I am just so excited to have

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this conversation today with
Lisa Tully.

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How are you doing?
Lisa?

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Thank you so much for being
here.

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Yeah, I'm doing good.
And thank you so much for having

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me.
I'm really looking forward to

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this conversation.
Yeah.

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Yeah, Well, I love talking all
things woo woo because I see

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especially with what I do, which
is not what you do.

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I don't you do a whole different
thing.

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But I work a lot with bio
resonance technology and people

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consider that to be very woo
woo, even though it's quantum

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physics.
So I see like a huge correlation

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between what we actually like
call woo woo and call like

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spiritual and science and like
like real physical.

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We could actually like quantify
a lot of this.

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But you do something that is in
the realm because it is very

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spiritual.
But I've, you know, I've talked

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to a number of animal
communicators in the past on the

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podcast and I'm just so
fascinated by what you do,

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especially because I've been
told by so many people that I

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have the ability.
I just haven't tapped into it

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yet.
So haven't gotten there, but I'm

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fascinated by it.
So I would love to learn, just

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start out a little bit about you
and kind of how you got into

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what you're doing today.
Sure.

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I started out, as I think most
people do who love animals as a

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kid, just gathering all the
animals that are all around you,

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the sick animals, trying to heal
them.

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It was just in me from from the
gecko.

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And yeah, I always wanted to be
a vet.

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And then you grow up.
So what happened was I when I

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was in school, I didn't get the
points to get into veterinary

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medicine, although I worked in a
veterinary practice for two

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years as a nurse's aide.
And I really got to see what

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that, what that world is like
for, for both the people working

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there and, and the animals and
their their guardians.

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And when I kind of came out of
that, I, I, I didn't get into

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the veterinary medicine, but I
end up doing science instead.

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Umm, And so that's very left
brain, right?

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So I'm really curious that
you're already speaking about

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quantum physics and all the
stuff that you do is backed up

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by science because I, I,
although I am quite right brain

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in the animal communication
stuff, I do come from that

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scientific background.
So I'm very much about

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integrative work.
And so that's why at the moment

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I, you know, I collaborate with
holistic bets a lot and I really

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enjoy that.
Umm, but what happened was when

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I, when I graduated in my
science degree, umm, I then

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worked in pharma for seven years
and that gave me a real

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understanding of drugs,
biochemistry, chemistry, you

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know, the interactions and you
know, and also I lost all fear

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of the white coats.
So I, I can converse with vets

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now no problem.
I speak the language because I

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had to teach doctors how to use
my products through clinical

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trials.
So it gave me such a foundation

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and it's the opposite of where I
am at now.

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Oh really?
And what happened was I was, I

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was in London, which is such an
amazing city.

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That's where I was working and
there's just incredible

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opportunities to learn anything
you want there.

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And that's where I started to
meditate.

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And when I'm more I meditated,
the more I realized that pharma

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wasn't for me.
And, and I then ended up giving

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up my job and I went to India
and I ended up running tours in

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India, taking people to learn
meditation and immerse

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themselves in the Tibetan
community over there.

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So that meant I spent a
significant amount of time over

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there over about a three-year
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And it really awoke something in
me.

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And because the more I
meditated, the more time I spend

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in the temples and in the
teachings and on retreat, my

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intuition got louder and louder
and louder.

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And I think I always had a good
instinct about animals, but when

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I managed to calm the mind to
that point, I really could feel

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and intuit what it is that the
animals need.

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And then what I decided to do
was to make this more

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professional so I could get
insured and things like that.

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I then did a 1 to 1 mentorship
with Madeline Walker in the UK

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for animal communication over
about a year and a half to two

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years, which is very rare.
Most people do an animal

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communication course for not
that long, right?

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And it was just her and me.
So she recognized my, my, my

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natural gifts in certain areas
of animal communication.

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And she kind of threw the book
out and said, OK, Lee, let's

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just really go for it.
You know, you, you can go deep

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into this.
And, and that was the beginning.

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And yeah, it was, it was just
quite profound.

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So what I started to do was
really test it out and I would

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get people to write down
questions.

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They want their, the questions
for me to ask their animal

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family that they knew the
answers to.

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And then I would go off and do
my little thing.

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And it was just accurate,
accurate, accurate, accurate.

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And I was just like, OK, so
really built my confidence up.

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And now I've been doing it for
so many years and that I just, I

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just love it.
Absolutely love it, Jessica.

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So what?
How do you actually use your

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gifts?
What do you do?

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How do you work with pets and
pet parents?

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And what?
What is it that you provide to

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them?
Sure.

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So I one thing that Ioffer is
ioffer standalone animal

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communication sessions and where
we can ask the animal what it is

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that they want to share.
So I do that without asking the,

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uh, the people any questions.
I don't want to know anything.

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I just want to have a pure
download from the animal.

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Umm, and then that's a very,
that's a liberation, OK.

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Animals will relax once their,
their voices have been heard,

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especially if there is something
really wrong, you know, they're

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acting out or they're not
physically well or they're,

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they're unwell and we don't even
realize it because animals are

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so good at hiding their, their
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So that's one way that I help
people is to just open up the

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channels of communication back
and forth and the animals give

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insights for their person as
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I always say, like, what is it
you want them to know?

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And they seem to really ever
since the get go, Jessica, like

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I'm not the type of animal
communicator that will go, well,

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what's your favorite toy?
OK, they want to be petted this

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way and, you know, make sure you
leave the door open.

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Like it's not that's not what
none of that has ever come true

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for me.
I respect that.

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But I've just always been a
little bit different.

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And what happens is it's a soul
to soul communication.

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So you usually within the 1st 15
minutes at the most, people are

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crying in my animal
communication sessions because

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what the animals have said for
their person resonates so deeply

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in their heart and so deeply in
their soul.

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It's like they're like, I can't
believe they know that about me.

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And it's all done with
gentleness and reverence and

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love.
And, you know, it's all very

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yeah.
We, I look after people because

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it is big, because the animals
have a superhighway to our

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heart, umm, so they'll share
like personal growth areas,

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things like that.
And that's just like quite very

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profound for people.
And I always encourage them to

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really listen to it.
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animal then will share if
they've anything going on

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physically, mentally,
emotionally or spiritually.

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So that's one side of it.
But sometimes, umm, when I'm

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working with people, we realize
and we recognize together that

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the animal needs deeper support.
Like they really need internal

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healing.
So in my animal communication

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journey, umm, I was getting
frustrated in the sense that I

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could see there was something
wrong with the animals, but I

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didn't have the tools then to
follow it up like this.

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You can say things, but how can
I actually heal them?

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So I, I trained in, uh, Chinese
medicine for animals, 5

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elements, Chinese medicine,
acupressure, herbs, essential

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oils, flour, essences, energy
healing and it's, I'm

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continually evolving.
So now I I can incorporate what

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the animals are asking us for
help with and then actually take

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action on it and do Chinese
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So I've got longer 6 month
courses where we can go deeper

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and then heal the animal and
actually heal the person as well

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because they always choose
flower essences for their people

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also.
So it becomes like a family

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healing.
It's very, very profound.

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Well, I will say that I was like
tearing up when you were talking

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about this like highway that our
animals have to our hearts, that

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it reminded me of a couple of
animal communication sessions

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that I've had for some of my
pets in the past.

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And I just, I don't know, it hit
it hit me.

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I was like tearing up going Oh
no, I can't do this because then

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I won't be able to have this
conversation.

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Bless you.
Yeah.

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But that is very interesting to
me how how our animals have so

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much insight into US.
Like that fascinates me because

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I feel like it's for most of us,
it's not the other way around.

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Like we are like as humans,
especially today where we are

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just inundated with news and
social media and just constantly

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being connected to a device
versus connected to nature.

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Like I just I feel like so many
of us don't have insights into

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our pets, but the fact that they
still do for us.

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Just I don't know that that
touches touches my heart.

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But how can you explain how you
feel that that like is like how

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our pets have such an
understanding that we don't or

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that we don't tap into maybe?
Yeah, it's a good question.

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I feel that animals are
naturally able to be more in the

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present moment.
So if you think about it, the

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dog or the cat or the horse
aren't going to worry about

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paying the mortgage, right?
What's going to happen when the

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mortgage comes in?
Now, I would say like in my

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experience, I do think that they
can, when they have a trauma,

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they can worry about the past
repeating itself and they can

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over respond to certain stimuli
because there's an imbalance

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there for them.
But in the most part, like

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they're, they're much more in
the moment.

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And therefore I feel if you are
in the present moment, you are

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more able to read the room,
you're more able to read what's

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going on.
So there's that side of it.

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But also what I think most
people don't realize is animals,

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how I see them.
Umm, can are telepathic, right?

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So like when babies are born,
all of us as babies, we're

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highly telepathic.
OK, mind to mind communication

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and animals are and when they're
born, I believe are highly

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telepathic.
Then us humans grow up and we

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learn to speak, you know, the
languages that we speak.

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So that part for the most part
goes asleep.

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You can't wake it up again.
And then with the animals, of

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course, they, they stay
telepathic because that's how

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they can communicate with each
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So therefore they're reading our
thoughts all the time, reading

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our heart energy all the time.
And also like going back to

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science, like if you think about
the amount of animals that are

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now therapeutic animals, they're
able to, to let people know if

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they're right to have a seizure,
you know, because they can read

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what's going on in the body so
much and all the other magical

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things they could do, all the
equine therapy horses, these

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gifts to all of us.
So they have this immense

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ability to track US.
And also what I would say to

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people is, is that animals
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So they're sitting there
listening to everything.

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So they have like a multifaceted
way of dialing into us.

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And then the other kind of, I
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cake is that if we think about
how we are as humans around our

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animals, we are mostly, we're
going to be ourselves.

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We're not going to hide stuff,
right?

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If we're having a bad day, we're
not going to hide it.

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We're just going to be in a bad
day.

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And then they'll cuddle up and
make us feel better.

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But yeah, usually if they're
that kind of an animal, not all

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are.
And what what happens then is

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because we are 100% ourselves
around them, they get to see our

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authentic selves even more.
So they're using all those tools

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to tap in and we're completely
revealing ourselves to them.

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Then it's just like, how could
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How could they not see our blind
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How could they not know us
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Do you think that animals are
brought into our lives or vice

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versa for a reason?
Do you like?

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I hear a lot about soul
contracts.

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Is that something that you work
with or that you believe in?

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100%, I believe in it.
I think there's no accident that

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an animal comes into our lives.
And the way I approach it in my

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work is as I say, well, how is
this animal mirroring you?

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OK, So often the animals will
mirror us in terms of their

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imbalances.
So if you're a bit anxious,

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chances are your animal friend
is a bit anxious.

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If you've got digestive issues,
chances are they do.

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Or maybe they do and you have
the start of it and you don't

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actually realize.
So there's those kind of

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physical mirroring and then
there's the emotional mirroring

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as well.
Like if you are grieving, for

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example, right, and an animal
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when you're in a grief state,
chances are that animal has some

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grief going on from their life
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Like, and you'd be surprised
guys, like, you know, I was

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working with a little dog there
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And I could see the dog was sad
from the get go just looking at

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the photos.
And when we asked the dog, you

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know, well, what is it like?
And he, he, the dog just put

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the, the, the feeling straight
away of unresolved grief into my

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heart.
And I said, there's grief here.

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And the dog was saying that that
she felt that when the way she

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was taken away from her mom as a
pup was too sudden and she never

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really got over that separation.
And then it turns out that the

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person who took her on at that
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So, so even though they came at
different ages, like the dog was

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a bit older and whatnot, they're
still at some point that that

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point on the road where you meet
each other, there's going to be

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some kind of a soul contract,
some kind of a mirror, even if

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your stories have been separate
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And then there's the mirroring
that goes on as you get to know

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each other.
So sometimes you'll have a dog,

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for example, that's fine when
the person first gets them and

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then over six month period to
start to arise as they start to

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be get reactive on the lead,
like that's a huge 1 or some

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other imbalance that goes on.
And then you find, lo and

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behold, when you dig a little
bit deeper, the guardian at the

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other end of the lead is
reactive like they've they're

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afraid and there's something
going on.

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So, so they've literally sent it
down the lead and then the

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animal absorbs it, mirrors it
back and says, you need to look

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at this.
Umm, and if we have the ability

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to look at that and we have the,
you know, the openness of our

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minds and the, and the
willingness to grow and listen

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to the animals, we can turn
things around for them so much

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quicker.
And we can, you know, repair

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their, their level of Wellness,
start to enjoy our walks again.

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Like, I mean, there's, there's,
there's so many things that I

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have worked with, with animals
where you, when you use this

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mirroring to heal mental,
emotional, physical or spiritual

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imbalances that does come from a
soul contract, I believe, you

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know, you can get results where
the vets are like, how did you

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do that, Lisa?
And I'm like, well, you heal

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everybody, you know?
Yeah.

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Well, I actually would love to
talk a little bit more about

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that leash reactivity, but
before we do that, I just want

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to kind of close blows out a
thought that I was having as you

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were talking because it's been a
while since I've had a new pet

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come into my life this.
Well, I say this year, 2025 was

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a huge for a lot of people.
It was, you know, a nine year.

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It was the year of the snake.
Everybody was shedding.

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I personally went through a huge
transformation and in part of

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that transformation, kind of
almost as some of the things

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were coming to a close, I sold
my house in one state and was

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like, we were driving back from
one state to another state with

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a huge U-Haul.
And my, my, my boyfriend was

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with me and a little kitten
decided to find us when we were

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walking around on one of the pit
stops we took.

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And as much as I would love to
say like I was in a huge

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transition state, this kitten
found me when I need.

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Like, I don't actually believe
that's true.

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I truly believe that this kitten
found my boyfriend that he

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needed this kitten.
And I just see like a bond that

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they have that I don't like, I'm
not jealous of it or anything

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like that, but I see it.
And this kitten pushes my

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boyfriend's buttons like like
nothing else.

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Like literally he will like
almost have a nervous breakdown

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over this kitten.
And I'm like, I just keep

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telling him like his name, the
kitten, his name is Camden.

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And I'm like, we, I keep telling
him Camden chose you.

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And even though this is like
really, really tough for you, I

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feel like he is pushing your
buttons for a reason.

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And there there's something that
you're supposed to be getting

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from this relationship.
And I know that if like for my

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boyfriend, he's like, that's,
that's like way about, you know,

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that not to say that that men
don't have this connection with

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animals, but I feel like women
find that connection with

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animals easier.
So a lot of men, at least in my

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life, are, are not, they're
like, they just say no, They're

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like, no, that's crazy.
You're crazy.

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I don't have any but, and, and
he is very open to what I'm

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saying, but he still is like,
yeah, right, yeah, right.

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And I'm like, no, this kitten is
pushing your buttons for a

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reason.
And you know, like, let's just,

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let's just work, work through,
work through it, work through.

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I've actually spoken to another
animal communicator because he

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has gotten to the point where
he's like, I don't know what to

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do with this kitten anymore.
And I'm like, all right, let's

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talk to a friend of mine who is
an animal communicator and just

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to try to.
Like I don't know me, I was kind

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of hoping that it would make him
realize that like it's not just

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him that the kitten has
frustrations to the kitten is

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going through all of these
changes to like, I don't even

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know, but that's kind of my my
story about.

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Yeah, and it's great that you
recognize that the cat was for

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him, right?
And like, that's.

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Yeah, cats are incredible.
Like because they will go to all

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sorts of lengths and to get your
attention, like they'll pee on

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your pillow and.
I've had that, I have had that.

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I have.
I had a cat one time.

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He actually, it's only been a
couple of years since he passed

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away, but I literally like he
was great for a number of years

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and then all of a sudden, which
you know, me being me, like

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I've, I've finally figured out
there was another animal coming

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in the yard.
And that kind of like started

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him spraying.
Even though he was neutered and

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had been for a while.
He started spraying and it got

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to the point where I had to keep
him in a separate area of the

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house and that area of the house
was covered in puppy pads

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because all he did all day and
all night was spray.

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And I would like, I would
literally on multiple occasions

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I would just be on the floor in
a ball crying because I'm like,

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I can't handle this anymore.
I don't know how to help you.

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And I get it.
I get that cat saw.

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Yeah, they will push every
button you have.

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Totally, like, totally.
And they're quite incredible

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because they're so they're also
very agile.

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So it's like, you know, the dog,
you kind of just put the dog

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downstairs or in the cat, the
cattle find a way, you come up

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the window, start meowing.
Actually, yeah.

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You know, they're, they're
mighty, mighty healers in that

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way.
Mighty healers.

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But they are, you know, I
tangent again, you know, I have

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been.
So my boyfriend has only ever

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had one pet in his life, which
is another cat that he does

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still currently have.
She's 8 years old and it's the

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only pet he's ever had in his
life.

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And he's 50 years old.
And so he's learning a lot.

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And so I've been trying to tell
him a lot of the things about

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cats, like, and it was
interesting just the other night

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I was like, you realize, like
they can change the hurts of

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their purr and actually heal
bone.

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And he was like, what?
Yeah.

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It's really amazing what they
can do.

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Yeah.
And he lost with their power,

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right?
Yes.

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Yeah, yes.
Oh, my goodness.

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But yeah, I do think that as
much as the kitten follows me

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around and does all the things
with me too, I truly believe

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that that the he, he, he's my
boyfriend's guy.

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Yeah.
Truly believe that?

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Yeah, I would like, I have, I
still have so many questions

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about what you do, but I would
love just because you brought up

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the leash reactivity with dogs.
That is a huge issue.

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And I was a dog trainer for a
while.

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I don't really do it anymore.
I just, I didn't love it the way

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I thought I was going to love it
because it's people training,

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not dog training, right?
Like that.

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That's the truth of it.
And people are a lot harder to

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train than dogs.
But the leash reactivity, it is

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it, it almost always is the
other end of the leash, the

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person that's holding the leash.
So how I'm just curious like how

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you communicate that to your
clients.

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And obviously every case is
different, but what are some of

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the things, because you have a
lot of training and like, you

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know, Chinese medicine, the
flower essences, I would imagine

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can be very helpful for people.
How do you, how do you tend to

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address that with people?
Yeah, so.

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What I do is like, I'm very
upfront in all my materials and

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everything that this is about,
you know, if you're going to

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work with me on a deeper level,
it's about looking at yourself

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and looking at, at the animal as
well.

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So I don't put, I don't like
dance around that issue.

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I'm just like, if you're, if
you're riding a horse, it's

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going to be you and the horse,
you know, and it's so, so I just

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don't, I just, I'm very honest.
So because of that, I think I

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attract in people that are
probably ready to hear it.

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But at this, you know, but at
the same time, I am gentle with

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it, right, Because it's like
what I do is I, I'm also teach

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meditation, right?
So I've got just so many

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meditations and I, I create that
I've created and recorded and

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I've got meditations.
I've got one particular

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meditation that I would use and
this would be on my deeper

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program.
It's a mirroring meditation

445
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where it's, it's the type of
meditation, it's called insight,

446
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:25,080
where, umm, you ask a question
and then you give the person

447
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,600
listening obviously time to
think the answer in their head

448
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,240
and you take them down a, a
journey, a rabbit hole as it

449
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,200
was, and to really understand
who they were when this animal

450
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,800
came into their life.
Umm, and in that exact moment,

451
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:41,360
what was going on for you?
And is there any mirroring that

452
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:43,640
you can see there?
And, and, and, and now it goes

453
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,040
much, much deeper.
And usually by the time they

454
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,080
come out of that, that
meditation, it's almost like

455
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,440
they've, they've taught
themselves that this is coming

456
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,280
from me.
I can see now I will have talked

457
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,400
them around it, I will have
supported them.

458
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,720
And then when I give them the
meditation, it's usually about

459
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,040
month 3 when we're working
together, they are ready for it.

460
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,560
And I would say 99% of my
clients just really run with it.

461
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,440
It's, it's just this light bulb
moment.

462
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,160
And so then what I do is I say,
OK, so now you see, I said it's

463
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,480
like, you know, and they the
animal as well, what they do is

464
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,000
they'll say self select
botanicals for themself.

465
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,080
And then they'll, they'll create
a booth bespoke essence mix for

466
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,000
their person.
And the way I give that essence

467
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,560
mix to the people is it's a
specific type of, of selection

468
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,640
of essences that tells a
specific type of story.

469
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,280
I learned it from Tony Pinkhurst
from Ainsworth homeopathy in

470
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,560
London and just giving him a
shout out because he's an

471
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,840
amazing man.
And, and it tells an emotional

472
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,120
story.
So when, when they read that

473
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:49,800
story, they're like, how does
the dog know that that's where

474
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,840
I'm at right now?
And I'm like, so, so they'll,

475
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,560
they'll have been taking those
essences each month, right?

476
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,160
So that's opening them up as
well.

477
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,240
So by the time they come to the
mirroring meditation, they're,

478
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:02,920
they're ripe for it.
They're ready.

479
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,760
And then when I have that, that
they have that genuine

480
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,920
understanding, then it's like,
you know, when you're on the

481
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,440
walks, who are you?
Where are you?

482
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,200
Like I have one, one lady, for
example, very big dog that would

483
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,840
would literally pull her over,
you know, a very strong dogs,

484
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,000
like they'll just drag you.
And it's, it's like, you know,

485
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,720
we got her to the point where
the dog as well was saying she's

486
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,880
not paying attention.
So I'm, I'm pulling her into the

487
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,560
moment and I'm like, wow.
And and I say, do you feel more

488
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,600
connected to the dog when you're
more present to the dog?

489
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,680
And she said, yeah.
And I said, OK, you got to

490
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,800
start.
You know, I'll give them a

491
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,000
little exercise to do in the
garden and just to kind of

492
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,920
continue that communication.
So you, Jessica, it's really

493
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,560
about you.
You, you hit the nail on the

494
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,080
head.
Like dog training is about

495
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,520
training the person.
I've never heard it say it that

496
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:53,800
way, but I'm going to steal
that.

497
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,760
It's so good.
Like it's so good.

498
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,400
And and so it's really about
helping the person take

499
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,480
responsibility for what's going
down the lead.

500
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,240
And once they can do that, of
course the animals are going to

501
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,640
be out of balance as well.
They still have their story.

502
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,480
So, but it, it lifts a huge
amount of responsibility off the

503
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,760
animal in terms of them having
to constantly mirror back stuff

504
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,080
because they feel heard, seen,
recognized, and they know action

505
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,120
is happening.
And then it's like, it's like a

506
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,720
break in the clouds.
The sun starts to shine in

507
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,720
moments and the person starts to
see calm moments on the walk.

508
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,000
And then they recognize God,
they were calm when I was calm.

509
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,680
Or all of a sudden the dog will
just pass another dog and not

510
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,280
react.
And then they'll react and then

511
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,000
they'll kind of go, oh God, it
really is me like, and the dogs

512
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,160
will just look at them like,
it's amazing.

513
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,200
You just literally let the
animals as well play their role

514
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,360
in it.
And so it's not a quick fix and

515
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,720
it's really tricky.
It can be a very tricky fix

516
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,520
because it depends on the, the
depth of the trauma in the

517
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,680
person, you know, and it really
does and, and how how much

518
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,080
they're able to cope with on the
healing process and how long.

519
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,280
So even though I work with
clients for six months, I've got

520
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,360
clients that will be 1 to one me
for a year and a half to two

521
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,800
years because there's there's
that level of, of imbalance that

522
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,600
we have to bring down.
And this is the reactive dogs

523
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,520
I'm talking about that you have
to bring it down, down, down.

524
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,760
And then the dog will come up
and meet them.

525
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,360
But that's, yeah, that's how I
do it.

526
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:34,440
Like it's, it's a process.
Yeah, that's incredible.

527
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:40,840
So how do you said you also
trained in PCBM but like 5

528
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:47,040
elements and so how do you
utilize that as part of your

529
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,560
practice?
Yeah, it's, it's just, it's just

530
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,800
incredible this.
And like, I feel from my

531
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,480
experience of all the stuff that
I've learned over the years and

532
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,000
being exposed to hand in my
heart, I think Chinese medicine

533
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,000
is the most powerful diagnostic
tool available to us.

534
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,040
It's thousands and thousands and
thousands of years older than

535
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,520
modern medicine.
And because it has that really

536
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,840
powerful diagnostic way of
seeing basically, I mean, the

537
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,240
patterns.
OK, So you can recognize by

538
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,240
what's going on in the body and
in the mind which of the organs

539
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,000
is driving that imbalance.
And when you know which of the

540
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,520
organs is driving the imbalance,
you can then figure out, well,

541
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,840
what is the subtle pattern?
Is the liver involved?

542
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,520
Is it the spleen, pancreas, or
is it just the kidneys and the

543
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,920
spleen?
And, and when you can see that

544
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,040
kind of where, where the
imbalance is coming from, then

545
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:40,400
you can be much more tailored in
what botanicals you use, what

546
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,480
herbs you use, what Chinese
medicine, food therapy that you

547
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,400
use.
And you'll find that like if I

548
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,480
get the people to make up a, a
doggy Stew and that is one that

549
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,840
the animal has selected for
themselves and that is going to

550
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,880
work on, say their kidneys, they
will, if that animal has been

551
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,960
having a picky appetite and you
put that food down in front of

552
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,560
them, they recognize that that
is their healing meal.

553
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,600
It's like a herb and a bowl, but
it's actually a Stew of organs

554
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,960
and veg and things like that.
And they will wolf it up.

555
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,680
And what happens then is they
will eat that food until they no

556
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,560
longer need it.
And then they'll go off it just

557
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,720
like they do the herbs,
essential oils.

558
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,160
When they're self selecting and
self medicating.

559
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,400
They know what they need and for
how long.

560
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,040
And when they stop having that
food, then I'll go back in and

561
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,240
I'll look at their pattern and
the China and I'll go and think,

562
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,120
well, what other meal might they
need now?

563
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,440
And then I'll ask the yams, you
want this one, this one, I'll

564
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,680
have that one.
And then so then they go on this

565
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,160
really deep healing process.
So, so, so I would say for me,

566
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,520
like the also what the Chinese
medicine enables me to do is

567
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,440
track how the animal is doing.
So the first time I do one of

568
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,200
the deeper readings, I will ask
the animal to show me.

569
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,160
This is all, all my work is done
remotely by the way, all I've

570
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,960
got, most of my clients are
American and Irish, umm, I'm

571
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,200
based in Ireland.
And what, what happens is at the

572
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,440
start of the reading, they'll
show me which of their meridians

573
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,080
are out of balance and that's
the energy flow into the organs.

574
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,680
You've got the left side of the
body meridians and the right

575
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,360
one.
And they'll show me where, what

576
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,160
their pictures last like a
snapshot of their Wellness, but

577
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,080
a very detailed 1.
And I kind of go, OK, see what's

578
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,160
going on here.
And then I say, well, what is

579
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,960
the Meridian, the priority
Meridian you want us to go in

580
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,080
through?
And then we'll work with that

581
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,960
one.
It'll help balance the other

582
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,440
ones and it'll show me what
botanicals it is you need this

583
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,840
month and then you repeat that
process each month.

584
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,800
So by the time at the end of the
say the six month period, you've

585
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,920
tracked how they're doing.
And as long as I can see that

586
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,600
the meridians are becoming more
and more into balance each

587
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,640
month, no matter what else is
going on, I know that deeper

588
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,200
healing is happening.
And it might take a while to

589
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,480
show on the surface whether it's
a physical or emotional or

590
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,160
mental imbalance, but I know
we're headed in the right

591
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,960
direction.
And so it's like, I even read

592
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,000
blood tests, like, you know,
because of my science

593
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,640
background, I read blood tests,
umm, for animals using Chinese

594
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,440
medicine, uh, principles.
Umm, So my vet friends have a

595
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,520
lot of vet friends that are my
besties.

596
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,320
They get me to read their animal
bloods for their fluffs.

597
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,880
And they're like, how did you
see that in the bloods?

598
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,040
And I, well, of course, see the
liver, see the speed because

599
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,080
they look at bloods and kind of
go, yeah, all above parameters,

600
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,680
all normal.
And I'd be like, now hang on a

601
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,640
second.
I said like, well, if you think

602
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,840
about, because, because in,
that's again, it comes back to

603
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,800
way Chinese medicine is able to
see patterns.

604
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,600
It's a pattern.
And when you can see the pattern

605
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,960
and and you start to recognize
in the blood what different

606
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,440
patterns look like or you might
have a suspicion, you go, you

607
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,840
know, I might think could be the
liver.

608
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,120
And I actually think the liver
is a bit Yang deficient.

609
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,600
And then you look at the bloods.
You see the liver parameters are

610
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,160
on the floor and you kind of go
bang.

611
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,800
And then you've got real
confidence.

612
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,200
You kind of go, yeah, look,
we're going to go this way.

613
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,520
I can work without bloods as
well because some animals do not

614
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,880
like the vets, but most pretty
sick animals usually have had

615
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,440
bloods done even within some
kind of a decent time frame.

616
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,600
And it's, yeah, it's so I use it
in so many ways.

617
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,440
Like it's incredible.
It is.

618
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,440
I find Chinese medicine just
fascinating.

619
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,360
And I was so wrapped up in your
story that I'm like, what do I

620
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,360
say next?
I've got I've got something else

621
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,080
that I can share.
Then I've got something else.

622
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,400
Yeah, yeah.
And so the other, the other side

623
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,440
of, of the Chinese medicine that
I use is the five elements.

624
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,520
OK.
So the five elements are like

625
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,760
the personalities and the
constitutional personalities.

626
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,440
So you've got you've got fire,
earth, metal, water and wood.

627
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,159
And again, this is very, very
profound, right.

628
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,639
So I'm going to give you an
example.

629
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,280
A lot of the time animals may
have certain characteristics

630
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,760
that people misread as almost
like the animal doesn't like

631
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,480
them.
So some animals, if they're a

632
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,480
fire or an Earth, there could be
quite cuddly animals.

633
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,160
They love to snuggle up, you
know, they're just all over it.

634
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,560
Probably a little bit too much
sometimes if it's a little bit

635
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,600
out of balance.
But then you've got animals, say

636
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,560
for example, like the metals and
the waters, and they can be

637
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,440
quite aloof and they can be
quite boundary.

638
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,400
They want their own space, you
know, and they can get, and some

639
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,080
of them can get a bit insulted
and the, the waters can get

640
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,680
quite fearful.
And you just find like, what

641
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,240
does this animal not like me?
And if you think about like the

642
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:21,800
water elements, for example,
they really need their own

643
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,600
space.
Water is the kidneys and the

644
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,360
bladder.
OK, so water elements, their

645
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,440
overriding emotion is fear
because fear lives in the

646
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,280
kidneys and and the bladder.
So if you have an out of balance

647
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,680
water element animal that's
very, very nervous and fearful,

648
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,920
the worst thing you can do is
try and get them through their

649
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,800
fear by give exposing them to
their triggers.

650
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,440
This is when I get animals that
have just been messed up by

651
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,920
training, you know, messed up
because it doesn't not the same

652
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,240
path works for every animal.
And these animals are the most

653
00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,080
unpredictable.
They're definitely the ones that

654
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,920
can bite you or plant you to the
wall if it's a horse.

655
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,360
And what happens is if you think
about the element of water,

656
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,520
water like the ocean, the ocean
goes out, the tide goes out and

657
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,640
there's nothing we can do.
We have to wait for that tide to

658
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,160
come back in again.
So if you think about a water

659
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,240
element, those animals will
just, they'll literally

660
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,320
disappear.
You're like, where is the cat?

661
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,720
I just can't find them because
they found some hidey hole that

662
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:23,840
they're just gone.
The tide has gone out.

663
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,760
Umm, or the dog just wants to
sit in the spare room.

664
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,120
Umm and you're watching telly
and they just want to be in the

665
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,920
spare room because the tide is
out.

666
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,240
They need their space, they need
to process whatever it is and if

667
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,040
at some point the title come
back in and the animal will

668
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,920
start to come back again and
you'll suddenly the cattle

669
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,320
appear.
So, so these, these, these five

670
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:49,440
elements characteristics really
help us decode who an animal is,

671
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,400
umm, and also what their genuine
triggers are because there's

672
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,920
like the kidneys rule, for
example, rule the health of the

673
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,560
ears because their job is to
bathe the ears with the fluids.

674
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,920
OK, so to keep the ears in
balance.

675
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,640
And what can happen is when the
kidneys are off, uh, our kidneys

676
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,760
all get tired as we get older,
we start to go a bit deaf if

677
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,320
we've got tinnitus, tinnitus can
be from a kidney imbalance and a

678
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:17,040
lot of water element animals
even at a young age will show a

679
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:21,120
phobia to noise, fireworks, umm,
you know, all, whatever it is

680
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,960
that triggers them noise wise.
And then as senior animals get

681
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,880
older, they can get, umm, noise
sensitivities to things like

682
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,880
knives and forks on the table or
the dishwasher, all this kind.

683
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,720
And that's the tinnitus there.
It's literally, it's literally,

684
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:38,200
it hurts them to hear and they
might start shake and things

685
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560
like that.
So, so you can have a water

686
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,200
element constitution, uh,
personality, but you can also

687
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,440
have a water element imbalance
that starts to, uh, show up as

688
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,480
they get older because water
element is the winter stage of

689
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,400
life.
And I just focused on that

690
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,120
element.
You could do that with all the

691
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,640
other ones.
You could talk about all of

692
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,200
them, but I, I think the reason
I picked the waters is because

693
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,080
they're the most understood and
they're the easiest animals for

694
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,520
us humans to mess up.
And if an animal is deeply,

695
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,080
deeply fearful of something, you
got to listen to that and not

696
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,000
try and make them brave enough
to get through it.

697
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,160
Like just, you know, it's, it's
just and it becomes dangerous

698
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,720
then because because of water
element, if they feel corners,

699
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:22,240
they will bite and then they're
in trouble.

700
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,720
You're in trouble and things can
escalate, you know?

701
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:29,200
Yeah, yeah, that is so true.
So I have, I have a cat who is

702
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:35,720
very much a water cat.
And he, he, he has been tricky

703
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:41,400
his whole life, his whole life.
And what's interesting, I was, I

704
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:48,200
was, as you were saying that he
he's 17 and about a year, a year

705
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,440
and a half ago, I started
noticing his hearing was

706
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,680
diminishing.
He was starting to lose his

707
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,400
hearing.
And of course, I mean, and this

708
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,040
happens with cats anyway as they
age, like they almost all are

709
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,520
going to get kidney disease.
But it was right on that same

710
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,160
track with him losing his
hearing is when his kidney

711
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,960
values started to to increase.
And so, yeah, but he has been a

712
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,920
very like that typical scaredy
cat that that people think of

713
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:16,760
like that has been him his whole
life.

714
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,800
But I also, I find it
fascinating even for us humans

715
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:27,120
because I know I don't I'm, I'm
still learning a lot in in

716
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,520
Chinese medicine, but I like
just my personality.

717
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,240
I struggle with other I, I
struggle with people who have a

718
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:40,880
wood personality.
I am, I, I get frustrated by

719
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:49,360
them very easily, very easily.
And I find myself like quicker

720
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,800
to anger with people who have a
wood personality.

721
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,520
And what's your constitution?
I don't know that's I have a

722
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,920
really hard time figuring out my
own constitution because I feel

723
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,960
like I feel like I waffle all
the time.

724
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,880
Between things.
But I do know that about myself,

725
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,560
about with wood personalities, I
struggle with wood

726
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,800
personalities.
I have I have somebody in my

727
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,520
life who I work with who is a
wood personality and I didn't, I

728
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:27,560
didn't realize why I had so much
of A struggle with her until a

729
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,160
couple of years ago.
I talked to Doctor Judy Morgan,

730
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,520
who is a wood personality, and I
was like, I get it.

731
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:42,600
I just clicked with me.
I was like, I get it now I get

732
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:43,440
it.
I get it.

733
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,600
They're very, very strong.
Yeah.

734
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,080
Personalities.
For me, I would imagine every

735
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,200
element interacts with the other
elements a little differently,

736
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,920
but for me I have a very hard
time with personality people.

737
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,480
Yeah, it is.
It's really, it's really cool.

738
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,840
Like my, my friend is I, I'm
wood fire.

739
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,000
OK, so I'm probably more, some
come across much more fiery.

740
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,640
Yeah, but there's.
Yeah, but there's a wood there.

741
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:17,600
And my friend.
My friend is metal and I melt

742
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,240
her head.
Yeah.

743
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,720
When I'm all firing, excited,
she has to limit how much time

744
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,040
she spends around me.
She's like, I can only do you in

745
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,120
two hours slots, she said.
Then you just melt my head like

746
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,280
I'm like, well, we understand
each other, you know?

747
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,440
That's funny, Yeah.
But I do find Chinese medicine

748
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,120
just so fascinating because as
much as, you know, modern

749
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:47,880
medicine kind of well, and we
have been, we've been

750
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:54,080
indoctrinated to kind of brush
off all of the, the old ways,

751
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,240
right?
The homeopathy and, and

752
00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:01,480
anything, anything spiritual
really, like energetic.

753
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:05,400
We've been taught that, you
know, it doesn't work, it's

754
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,000
fake, blah, blah, blah.
So it's hard, it can be hard to

755
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,720
get people to kind of open up
and just give it a chance.

756
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,760
And Chinese medicine, I feel
like falls in that that

757
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:23,480
category, but it's so right.
It's so like dead on.

758
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:30,440
Even like if you compare it to
Western medicine, if in the ways

759
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:37,160
you're able to, even though like
Western medicine is very like it

760
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,480
compartmentalized and, but, but
I do think like there's,

761
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,040
there's, there's a lot of
overlap that we can say see.

762
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,320
No, they've, they've had it
right this whole side.

763
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,000
Like, even though they didn't
know the the the body and in a

764
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,240
way that we know it now with,
you know, the way they really

765
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:59,760
had it right, I think.
Oh, they did.

766
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,040
And a lot of the knowledge came
from from meditations and

767
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,440
downloads and things like that.
You know, they, it was this,

768
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,680
this, this knowledge of Chinese
medicine isn't really of this

769
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,240
Earth, you know, it's, that's
how profound it is and how ahead

770
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:17,240
of if it's time it is like, and,
and I, you know, I would say

771
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:21,120
that like also, I just want to
make a note that when we talk

772
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,960
about Chinese medicine,
sometimes people think we mean

773
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:30,080
that we're going to be using
herbs that include animal parts

774
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,360
of these exotic animals and
things like that.

775
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,120
Like there's very much, I follow
very much a vegan path and

776
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,280
within Chinese medicine and I,
you know, use vegan herbs and

777
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,160
things like that.
So as animal lovers listening to

778
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,200
this, you know, for everybody
listening like there is a way to

779
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,360
dive into this world and not
cause harm, you know, Yeah, I.

780
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:52,440
Think.
It's hard to say that.

781
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,880
No, that's I hadn't really
thought of that, but that makes

782
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,360
sense that people might they.
Do.

783
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,120
Yeah, some people are.
Yeah, yeah.

784
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,600
Yeah, no, because there
definitely are some practices

785
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,320
that I I, I know I can't get
behind, especially with, you

786
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,040
know, harming animals and and
especially like endangered

787
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,800
animals.
And yeah, so, yeah, thank you

788
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,760
for that.
Well, goodness, like this is

789
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,920
just so fascinating and I love
that you work one-on-one with

790
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,360
people so that they can like, I
feel like that provides the most

791
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,960
benefit, even though it's, it's
hard.

792
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Like I get it because I work
one-on-one with people and it's

793
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,280
hard.
It's time consuming.

794
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,760
You almost can't charge enough
to actually make a return on the

795
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,400
time that you're putting into
it.

796
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:50,120
As a practitioner, it's hard to
scale because it's you, like

797
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,520
you're the commodity, right?
Absolutely.

798
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,360
So I get how it's very, very
difficult, but so needed because

799
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,560
like, people and pets need it.
They need the one-on-one

800
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,720
support.
I think especially because we're

801
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:11,720
just so disconnected from
nature, from how we're supposed

802
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:15,720
to be living in the world, how
we were designed to be living in

803
00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,920
the world.
And the fact that, you know, our

804
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,120
pets, our dogs and our cats, it
is so unnatural the way we ask

805
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,480
them to live.
Yeah, that it is so needed.

806
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,840
So how?
Well, first of all, is there

807
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,640
anything else about your
practice that you would like to

808
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,120
discuss?
Or do you have other offerings?

809
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,880
Do you have like, community or
do you teach anything or.

810
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,080
I don't know, I'm just.
Yeah, at the moment I'm just

811
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,040
taking a little bit of a
sabbatical from teaching.

812
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,120
I was teaching over the last
three years, I had like a

813
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,680
membership program, but I've
just had to take a little step

814
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,520
back, a little rest.
And, but what I have on my, my

815
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,960
website is I have little short
online courses and that if

816
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,960
people want to just kind of drop
in just where I've given a

817
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,240
little master class, say on flea
and tick, uh, treatments that

818
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:06,000
are, you know, holistic ones
versus chemical ones.

819
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,520
And there's one talks there on
how to support an animal at the

820
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,480
end of life and through grief,
how to really understand dog

821
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,960
food and cat food.
And so I've got these real

822
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,360
simple, but actually really
needed kind of courses that

823
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,600
people who just dip in and out
of if they want to, that are

824
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,360
super affordable and, you know,
have huge resources around them

825
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,400
as well to empower people.
So yeah, at the moment I'm in a

826
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,680
bit of a, a rest period around
the teaching, but I, I think so

827
00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:37,040
something is cooking in me, but
I'm just in hibernation mode at

828
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,480
the moment and I love that.
Yeah.

829
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,360
So how can people find you?
Where?

830
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:43,880
Where can they find you?
Sure.

831
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,440
And my website is animal healing
dot IE for Ireland and that's

832
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,120
the best place to find me
because there's so many free

833
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,360
resources on there.
I give free meditations, free

834
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,840
master classes and just lots of
stuff that's tons of blogs, so

835
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,880
many podcasts, so people can
really, really deep dive and

836
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,760
get, get a lot of resources from
there as well as actually

837
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,480
learning about my stuff.
So I always prefer because I'm

838
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,760
not, I am on social media and
things like that.

839
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,120
Absolutely.
But I, I, I don't know, I'm kind

840
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,360
of at loggerheads with at the
moment because here I am trying

841
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,400
to heal people from their
anxiety so as that it heals the

842
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,080
animals, right and heal people
from their imbalances.

843
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,760
And if I'm feeding and driving
that by getting them to

844
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,960
constantly scroll, it's just,
it's just, it's just

845
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,080
counterintuitive to what I'm on
this earth to do so.

846
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,440
And so the best way to get me is
get onto my website, get onto my

847
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,440
mailing list, and let's let's
connect and actually have

848
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,280
conversations with each other
properly.

849
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,960
Yeah, awesome.
Well, Lisa, thank you so much

850
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,200
for being here.
Thank you for what you do and

851
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,760
for helping us understand a
little bit better what you do.

852
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,880
And yeah, that was, that was
awesome.

853
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,400
I appreciate you guys.
Make sure to tune in next week

854
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,880
for another great episode.
Until then, please give your

855
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,400
pets some extra love from me and
from Lisa this week and I will

856
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,400
talk to you next week.