99% Of Dogs in the U.S. Have Behavioral Problems | Weekly Pet Roundup

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And.
Welcome to the weekly Pet

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roundup.
Hi, guys.

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Hi, we are talking about.
I know I feel like it's been

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forever.
It's only been a week, but I

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feel like it's been forever.
Yeah, well we got to take

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advantage now before the summer
gets crazy.

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So we have a great topic today,
mostly dog related.

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I'm sure a lot of the advice we
will give is definitely going to

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apply to cats and probably your
rabbit and your what else, your

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bird acting out and stuff.
But welcome to the weekly pet

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roundup.
I'm Isabel Alvarez Arana of

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Covered in Pet Hair.
And joining me today is Jessica

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Fisher of the Pet Parenting
Reset.

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Yes, ma'am.
So we are talking about dog

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behavior problems and so Texas
A&M.

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And we have a barking dog in the
background for fact.

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For fact, totally planned Texas
A&M posted More than 99% of US

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dogs have behavior problems,
Texas A&M researcher finds.

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This was also posted like a full
length article in the Journal of

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Veterinary Behavior in the
December, November, December

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2024 issue, and that the study
posted in the journal is called

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The Prevalence of Behavior
Problems in Dogs in the United

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States, posted by Bonnie Beaver.
I didn't make up that name.

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And she is obviously a
researcher with Texas A&M and

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she obviously knows what she's
doing because she's publishing

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articles.
So, yeah, this is, to me, really

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interesting.
So we kind of alluded to it at

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the end of last week's episode.
The study pulled data from over

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43,000 dogs enrolled in the dog
aging project, which is nothing.

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I mean, we're fairly familiar.
I think Isabel and I, because

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with the dog aging project,
because I think a lot of the

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information that Ronnie Habib
and Dr. Karen Becker talk about

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or is also pulled from the dog.
This is probably one of the

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biggest, like most expansive
pieces of like data profiles

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ever on dogs worldwide, I think.
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And it's it's, I believe it is
worldwide, but they just pulled

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from the United States for this
particular piece.

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And you can actually go to
dogagingproject.org if you want

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to learn more about the dog
aging project.

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You can donate to it.
You can actually enroll your dog

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potentially.
If you said, I don't know how

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all of that works, but it says
they are discovering the keys to

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a healthy lifespan.
Obviously that's what Karen and

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Rodney talk about all the time,
not just quantity of life, but

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quality of life.
And that is so important and

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behavior.
There's actually one part of

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this research that I found to be
the most interesting.

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I'm going to save it for later
on in our talk.

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But I mean, as a professional
pet sitter, like you having been

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a professional pet sitter for so
long, I'm sure you know, we

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talked about behavioral,
behavioral issues all the time.

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It's, it's something that like
you have seen day in and day

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out, like regardless of the
situation, regardless of the

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number of dogs, regardless of
where they live, regardless of

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if there's kids in the homes,
they're not kids in the homes,

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what they're eating with their
walk schedule, like it doesn't

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matter.
Across the board, there are

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behavior problems.
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And actually I will say that my
clientele was like highly

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educated, very responsible.
They were doing the best they

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possibly could for their dogs.
They were in a financial place

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where they could afford dog
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We had, you know, very
successful professionals and

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families with disposable income,
dual income families who really

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could do anything they really
wanted to to a point for their

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dogs.
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behavior issues.
So it is definitely something

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that you can't really throw
money at.

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That's the first thing I will
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Behavior issues are not going to
go away with a pill.

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They are not always, you can't
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going to happen.
When you're choosing a dog, a

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breeder, a rescue, you can't.
There are no guarantees with the

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pet no matter how you acquire
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I know that some people like to
say that you know, if you get

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the perfect dog from the perfect
breeder, you will have a perfect

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dog as far as behavior and that
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I mean, nature versus nurture as
much as they can.

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You know, a really good breeder
does use genetics and genetic

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testing to support the lineages
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There's no way to know what
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Genetics is is it does its own
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So you might be, you know,
breeding the best temperament,

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but you may not know what the
history is there or be able to

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control the history of
separation anxiety.

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And you can't also control that
that perfect dog with perfect

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lineage and no separation
anxiety can't, won't develop it

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for whatever reason.
So there's no, there are no

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guarantees.
And that's a huge thing to think

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about when we talk about all
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just dogs.
Anybody who tells you that you

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have to get a specific dog, a
specific breed, a specific long

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hair versus short hair versus
wire hair to get a great dog is,

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is, is blowing smoke up your
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And it is really important to
recognize that there's no

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preventing bad behaviors.
In some cases, like separation

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anxiety can be made worse.
But if your dog is genetically

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predisposed to separation
anxiety and you just may not

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know that until they start
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And not a lot of people really
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diligence.
Maybe you could see a little

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sign here and there during the
adoption process.

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Maybe you didn't ask about that
stuff, but once your dog is

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showing these symptoms, they're
your dog, they're staying with

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you, and now you have to
respond.

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So feeling like you can throw a
pill at it, it doesn't exist,

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throw money at it, that's not
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Really, when it comes to these
behavior problems, the solution

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usually starts with you as the
pet parent.

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Well, and you have no way of
knowing, you have no way of

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knowing how any individual dog
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stressor that comes about in
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We do know that the gut
microbiome is very much like

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the, the gut brain axis is real.
The gut microbiome absolutely

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can determine how an animal
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stressors to anything going on
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So just like a, a dog that was
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behaved at a breeder's home,
right?

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With when they were with their
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their mother, and then they're
taken away from everything they

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knew.
I saw a name one day or they're

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real or something.
It was like, like, we literally

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just kidnapped these animals
from the only family they've

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ever known.
And we're like, we're your

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family now, all right?
We're your family now and pee

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outside, don't go.
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You're doing it.
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all the time too, like all the
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People, people who have like an
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dog.
It doesn't really matter what

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breed of dog it is.
They just are like so steadfast

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in their belief that you have to
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And that is going to be like the
solution to every problem

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everybody ever has with a dog.
That is so not the case.

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Just like you said, it is
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And yeah, maybe they have had
fewer stressors in their life

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being bright.
You don't know, especially if

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like you're not doing your due
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from like a backyard breeder or
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But maybe, you know, a really
wonderful, incredible breeder

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out there and you're getting
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You still like, you have no way
of there's no way to decide that

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that dog isn't going to react to
even though it's maybe fewer

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stressors in their life versus a
dog who was born on the street

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and wound up in a shelter and
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Like some of those dogs have
incredible temperaments.

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It's not like it's not 100%
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There's a lot of, you know,
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health and behavior.
And we just don't just like with

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humans, you know, you can have a
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you know, they do twin studies
to show these things that grew

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up exactly the same.
Their their DNA is identical and

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yet they have two very different
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It's the same with dogs.
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experience as a pet sitter, I
remember having this client who

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had a yellow lab, like the
sweetest yellow lab who like

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lived to 16.
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gone, she had to have another
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I don't believe that the breeder
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couldn't go back to that
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She found a great breeder, blah,
blah, blah.

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The dogs could not have been any
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different, like they were
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And she was actually really
disappointed by the second dog

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because she was expecting to get
the exact same dog that had

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passed.
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people are like my my soul dog
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And now I can only have Doberman
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And I'm going to be so
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next dog is not the same
temperament, even if you get it

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from the same breeder in lineage
as yours, Your your soul dog who

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who you know, changed your life.
And I get it.

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Like it's hard to to recognize
that that was a one, one being

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that you had probably some
sacred contract with that really

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made an impression.
And you're not going to be able

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to duplicate that, not with
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not with anything.
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when you think about how things
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let's say in the case of my
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difference between when her
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second dog.
Dog food has changed, the

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environment has changed,
stressors in the environment has

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changed, have changed.
She has changed.

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Her energy has changed, her
socialization approach may have

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changed.
So much has changed.

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So even if you were to clone
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her 16 years into the future,
you don't know you're going to

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get that same result, right?
Because everything around that

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dog has changed.
So one of the things that I

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think is so important when we
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the recognition that those first
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so important for socialization.
And people hear socialization

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and they think like doggy play
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And that is not at all.
You know what it is, whether or

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not you're dog is predisposed to
separation anxiety, barking,

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hurting because of their genetic
makeup when you expose them to

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stimuli, whether it's noise,
storms, touch, other dogs, other

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humans, other pets like cats.
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beginning of their life or not,
whether you travel with them

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during that time, taking them to
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And even if you pass that
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depending on who you ask,
there's different lengths for

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different things.
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initial week like let's say 1215
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they're going to be a lot more
adaptable than they are

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potentially the first five years
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And so everything that we do to
kind of prevent these behavior

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issues that we're going to talk
about is really only in our

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control if we have the dog from
day one and everything goes

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perfectly.
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socializing a dog just at the
right period, we might over

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simulate them.
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them with a noise like the trash
truck comes by and that dog will

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forever be scared of the trash
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You might get a dog who's two
years old from a rescue and

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they're happy, go lucky and then
something traumatic happens and

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now they're scared of whatever
it is that, you know, they

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relate of that traumatic
experience.

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So there is really no guarantee
to how we can prevent these

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behavior issues.
We can set them up for success

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with socialization during those
key periods.

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Yes.
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you need to be aware of those
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And if you have a dog under, you
know, 5, you can still really

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like usually socialize and
recondition and things like

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that.
When you have an older dog like

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Mike Kira, who's 14, I'm not
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I'm going to manage now, right?
I'm going to make sure that I

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make it so that she's not more
afraid of things she already has

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a fear of.
So recognizing your dog's age,

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their developmental periods,
yes, their genetics, which we

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have no control over, and all
the unknowns, right?

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We don't know before we get them
from a breeder what that

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experience was like, especially
if you're not doing your due

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diligence and you don't know
what questions to ask.

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You don't know how they were.
Well do you don't know what they

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were like, what training they
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Cuz there's some really great
breeders who start potty

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training from day one, right?
Like you know, they're starting

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to do socialization from day
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you know, fiddling with their
toenails, all those things on

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purpose initially still in the
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Then there are other people who
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they're completely, completely
ignored until you buy them.

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And now that dog at 8 weeks
hasn't done anything, hasn't

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seen anything but their, you
know, initial experience with

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the, the litter mates.
Yeah, they're, they're lucky if

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they even spent time with their
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So we don't have a lot of
control over the things that

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happen before we get our dogs.
We do have control based on, you

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know, their age, their
willingness, their personality,

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their temperament and our time
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Because a lot of, like I said,
there's no, there's no throwing

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money at this.
There's no magic pill.

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Behavior issues are solved with
consistency and compassion and

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understanding and a heck of a
whole lot of patience.

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My gosh, yes.
And interestingly, in the actual

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study that was posted in the the
Journal of Veterinary Behavior,

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they said they also reference a
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232 dogs entering a veterinary
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surgical services not related to
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And it was estimated that 92% of
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behavioral problem as well.
Also, an Iranian study of 401

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dogs showed 86% showed at least
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problems.
Danish survey, Danish survey of

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502 dog owners reported 34% of
the dogs should at least one

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behavioral problem.
So it's not necessarily like

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worldwide like Spanish was
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Even the Iranian was similar,
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Is really low.
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Well, and I also think that
these surveys, we have to

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recognize that some people and
some cultures are going to see

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things differently.
So like we might be like, we're

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so busy and we're so like easily
irritated by little things that

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are out of our control that
maybe we think that 99% of our

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dogs have behavior issues where
a Spaniard might look at that or

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a Dane might look at that and be
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depending on the expectations

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and the standards.
So, you know, separation anxiety

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is something that is a spectrum,
right?

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So somebody who says, yes, for
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Maybe a Spaniard says, Oh yeah,
they whined when I got get home,

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but that's not separation
anxiety, right?

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So like, but here in the United
States, according to this

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result, it is 99% of dogs in the
United States show behaviors

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that are potentially problematic
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aggression 55.6%, separation
anxiety, and separation and

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attachment behaviors.
They don't use the word anxiety,

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separation and attachment
behaviors 85.9% and fear and

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anxiety behaviors 49.9%.
OK, so they're separating

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separation and attachment
behaviors from fear and anxiety

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behaviors, which often are roped
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Like I know Kira has both.
Kira has separation anxiety

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because when we get home, she's
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Even if I just went down the
street for 5 minutes, she's so

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excited that we're home.
That's a key sign that you know,

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they were anxious while you were
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They're not exactly happy to see
you as we mostly interpret it.

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It's often times that's like, Oh
my God, you're back.

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What was I going to do without
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anxiety behaviors and that she's

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scared of noise.
She's noise phobic.

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She's scared of any kind of like
when we talk loud, she gets

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very, very scared.
She is scared of wind.

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Any changes in barometric
pressure send her into like

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shakes.
So she is obviously she displays

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both of those things.
Thankfully she does not display

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aggression, but I found the
result for aggression high 55.6%

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and that is more than half of
the dogs in the United States.

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And I will say that I from the
sample of at the Wag pack, I

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would say that that doesn't seem
in line with my clients.

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And maybe that's because they
were so educated and they did

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maybe do a lot of like the early
socialization and we lived in an

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urban environment.
So the dogs were inevitably, you

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know, socialize to noises and to
other dogs and to other humans.

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And a lot of people lived in
condos and townhomes right next

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to others.
So maybe just automatically they

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just got used to those things.
But it did seem high 4555.6% for

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aggression.
Well, and yeah, and that sample

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that you're pulling from, these
are people who are aware enough

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as you, as you just stated, they
are aware enough to know that

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their pet needs socialization
outside of them, especially when

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say, if they work long hours.
And that is not the case for the

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majority of pets in the United
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world.
Yeah, but go and I and I think

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we should touch on the
aggression a little bit more and

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the separation and the anxiety.
But I did want to kind of go

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back to what you were saying
about like, how do we know, like

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how these people are actually, I
feel so washed out today.

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I'm just like, looking at myself
going, what is wrong anyway?

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Like, we don't know, like how
people are really responding to

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these questionnaires.
And I think they tried to touch

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on that as much as possible by
giving people time.

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They talked about how like, if
you're just talking to like your

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veterinarian is asking you
questions, which is something I

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want to talk about a little bit
later on the whole veterinarian

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part of this, because that's a
whole other topic in my opinion.

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Like you're just answering
questions, spitballing off the

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top of your head.
You're probably not going to

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come up with a lot of the
answers that are relevant to a

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study like this.
But what they're saying is that

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they gave people a questionnaire
and they gave them time to think

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about it.
And I think they also followed

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up because it says, as an
example, I once saw a miniature

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poodle that came in for a
problem with barking.

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This is a quote from a
veterinarian.

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I'm sorry, the the lady who, who
did the research in the

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patient's history, I found out
that the dog would routinely

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urinate on a Persian rug, but
that behavior didn't bother the

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owner as much as the barking.
So she was actually like going

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through the the researcher was
going through veterinary records

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to say, like, does this match up
with the reports that that the

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the pet parents are giving to us
because they're finding other

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things?
Because obviously you know,

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what's the problem to one
person, it may not be a problem

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to another person for it.
Example, my dog is on my couch

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right now and she sleeps in bed
with me.

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Whereas another person may be
like, that is absolutely

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asinine.
Dogs do not belong in the bed

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sleeping with you.
You know what I mean?

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So like.
My dogs don't get on the couch

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or sleep in the bed like it's.
Yeah, it's just something I

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don't enjoy.
My cat does whatever he wants.

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Yeah, that's all.
Yeah.

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So Dulce, Dulce's legacy says
are we allowed to call it

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neurotic?
Yes.

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So anxiety.
Yeah.

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I think neurosis is probably
something we are pets exhibit.

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Absolutely.
I know I've talked.

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I've referred to Kira, my
apologies, Kira as neurotic.

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Nucky being a Singleton, he's
high anxiety.

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Ellen is just off the charts
because someone breathes.

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Yeah.
And those we, you know, every

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dog has its own, its own kind of
triggers and every pet parent

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has different levels of being
able to recognize that.

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So like Dolce's legacy, Bronwyn,
obviously highly educated in pet

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dog behavior, dog body language,
whatever.

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A general pet parent who maybe
has their first dog is not going

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to know that just people
breathing sets their dog off.

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But the idea is that when this
research is done, obviously they

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guide them as best they can.
And we there's surveys, right?

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So like, it's not really like
being observed by the

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researchers.
So it's hard to really say like,

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yeah, I mean, I mean, I've even
seen it with my pets where

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they're like, people are like,
oh, you know, he's fine.

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He's friendly.
And I'm like, he'll bite you.

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Really.
Yeah.

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Just because you've seen it for
30 minutes doesn't mean that he

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is friendly.
He hasn't been you this 30

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minutes, but give him, you know,
on another day he might.

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So, yeah, it's it's it's
something that we can take from

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the survey what we take.
But obviously in every one of

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these surveys that they do, they
want to make sure they get the

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most accurate answers in order
for it to be like, why do it if

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you're going to get crappy
answers, right.

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And what they they did describe,
like the behaviors and

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aggression, for example, they
asked about growling, snapping

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and biting.
The cause was not known why, but

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at least they could recognize.
Like yes, my dog has displayed

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that behavior.
Well, and to go back to what you

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we were talking about earlier in
genetics it this study does show

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that it says the the prevalence
of breed related behaviors and

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the prevalence of problems are
not globally consistent.

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So in a pretty large sample size
over 47,000 dogs, they're saying

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there is no consistency with
behavior problems and breed.

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So that whole like get this
breed a dog and they're perfect.

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It's just out the window.
No, I remember that I, I

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interviewed Melena De Martini,
the the foremost expert on, on

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dogs, separation anxiety in dogs
in like 2021 or 2022.

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And then I had her back on the
show last year and the, the

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findings had changed.
Like at first she was like maybe

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there's a genetic link.
And then when she spoke to me

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last year, she was like, yeah,
we're not that convinced anymore

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just because there isn't enough
research.

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And when there is research, it's
a small sample.

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So it's like hard to well, and I
mean, nobody really wants to

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think about how hard it would be
to like really do a test

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separation anxiety research on
every single breed out there and

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in every single situation, like
it'd be really hard to do.

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So we kind of just take what we
can based on, we don't have all

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the answers, but this is kind of
that's why we have things like

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the recommendations where
socialization should start early

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and you know, aggression is
going to and we have we talked

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about dog bites last week.
That's why we have the scale so

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that you know how serious this
is.

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So you can address it because if
we rely solely on research, I

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just don't know when we'll when
we'll get all that done and

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who's going to pay.
For it.

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And Speaking of, so we talked
about dog bites last week and

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you sent me, I don't remember
how many states it was.

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It was like a good handful of
states have the like first bite

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rule.
Yes, the first bite rule, so

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this we didn't discuss last
week, but the first bite rule is

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basically the dog cannot like be
euthanized or held severely

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responsible for the first bite
that causes like that breaks

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skin I think is what it is.
So that is something that we

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didn't discuss.
But I mean, I guess that many

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dogs are biting, right?
That we needed to legally state

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that like the first bite, we'll
let it go because dogs are dogs

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and dogs can bite and we know
that.

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But after that, you know.
Yeah, you.

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Know your dogs can get in
trouble, so you better do

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something about it.
And that brings up a really,

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really, really important part of
this conversation is that dogs

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are dogs and that too many of
us, in my opinion, and I know I

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don't know if he's still here,
but one of Brian, I'm going to

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say his name wrong.
I'm going to say his last name

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wrong.
It's like ban banned fast or

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something like that.
Anyway, anyway, he's very, very

450
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,680
knowledgeable, very educated
person who spends a lot of time

451
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,800
helping educate people on social
media.

452
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,160
So props to him for everything
he does.

453
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,200
Seriously.
Like really a really great

454
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,080
person.
And he was kind of chiming in on

455
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,960
the fact that so many of us are
treating or anthropomorphizing

456
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:20,120
our animals and it is causing
serious problems for them where

457
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,920
they wind up with these serious
issues and then they wind up on,

458
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,320
you know, really serious
medications because of things

459
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:33,440
that we've ultimately probably
caused in their lives and.

460
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,240
Perpetual.
Or yeah, or made worse because

461
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,040
we never know what what causes
what starts something like

462
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,920
separation anxiety, right?
Like that's hard, especially

463
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,360
when we don't know a dog's
history.

464
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,640
It's like hard to know.
We know.

465
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,080
How to if we wanted to, if we
wanted to 'cause if we wanted

466
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,240
to.
You want to cause sure

467
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,480
separation anxiety, you leave
your dog created for way too

468
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,840
long, leave them alone for way
too long.

469
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,600
You're going to cause separation
anxiety.

470
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,600
And it doesn't take more than
maybe 1 bad experience for them

471
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,600
to be like, Oh no, it's going to
happen again.

472
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,120
I'm created, I can't pee,
nobody's here, I'm going to die.

473
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,120
So we know how to give it to
them, but we definitely don't

474
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,480
know how subtle these things can
be.

475
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,480
We don't know how long into that
experience they developed

476
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,760
separation anxiety.
So yeah, we don't really know,

477
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,400
but.
And, and it's one of the things

478
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,800
that like we talk about so much,
I know me for sure, I talk about

479
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,280
food and feeding them like the
species they are so much.

480
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,560
And I don't talk enough about
treating them like the species

481
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,000
they are like, you know, making
sure they're getting enough

482
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,160
enrichment and outdoor time,
making sure that they are being

483
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,600
like, yes, they live in our
homes with us, but they are, we

484
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:59,200
are asking them often demanding
of them that they act in ways

485
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,720
that we want them to act living
in our home.

486
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,680
And they have no idea how to do
that.

487
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,800
Like we're not giving them the
road map for how to live in a

488
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,400
home with people.
We're just saying you live here

489
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,760
now and you should know how to
do all this.

490
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,240
And they don't.
They're, they're a totally

491
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,640
different species.
They are not adapt to live the

492
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,920
way we live.
They don't want to be trapped

493
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:26,440
inside with, you know, air that
isn't circulating with, with

494
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,120
these chemicals that you're
putting on the floor to clean,

495
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:35,560
to clean your home, that the the
off gassing from couches and

496
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,120
rugs and carpet.
Like these are things that they

497
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,920
would never choose for
themselves.

498
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,280
And yet we're at and, and Can
you imagine, like I recently

499
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,920
went somewhere and the like, it
was, it was pretty normal.

500
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,480
Like the home was pretty normal.
I think an average American home

501
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,040
that they use for breeze and
they have candles burning in the

502
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,200
house.
And it wasn't like overly crazy.

503
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,120
It wasn't like walking into a
bath and body works.

504
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,920
But like 2 days in and I feel
like I'm getting sick.

505
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,720
Can you imagine what this tiny
little 9 pound, 10 LB creature

506
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,440
may feel like when they are put
in that same environment?

507
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,520
And it's something we don't
often think of that like maybe

508
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,320
they are totally fine, maybe
they actually don't have any

509
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,560
behavioral problems, but they
feel like shit, you know what I

510
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,840
mean?
Well, I mean, we do a lot of

511
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,960
that.
We do a lot of that.

512
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,280
Think about just the aggression,
like putting a dog in an

513
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:39,240
elevator with other dogs.
Like, have we ever thought about

514
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,560
how uncomfortable that might be
for them coming face to face

515
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,200
with an unfamiliar dog in their
territory?

516
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,480
Because if they're going up and
down that elevator every day,

517
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,360
they're going to, you know,
expect that that's their

518
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,560
territory.
And unless they've been properly

519
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,880
introduced to other dogs, then
they've smelled them before.

520
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,360
This might proceed be perceived
as a threat.

521
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,880
And then now we are calling them
aggressive because they lunged

522
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,320
at that dog who, like looked at
them funny.

523
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,880
They were on edge because
they're on an elevator, which is

524
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,200
already an unnatural place for a
dog to be, especially if they

525
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,480
weren't, you know, socialized to
it early in life.

526
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,320
And now we're expecting them to
also be like, yo, what's up?

527
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,720
Like they weren't given that
like the manners course of you

528
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,960
go into an elevator, you don't
speak, you nod your head, you

529
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,960
put your button.
They didn't got to get that

530
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,960
training.
And like a lot of urban

531
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,400
environments, you see that with
like, you know, all these dogs

532
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,040
together crossing each other on
the sidewalk and like there's,

533
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,760
you know, the dogs that were
born and raised into that

534
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,040
situation may be super cool with
it.

535
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,640
You see that a lot in Europe
where most people live in urban

536
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,880
environments.
So the dogs are used to, you

537
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,840
know, being up and down stairs
and sidewalks together.

538
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,840
But you bring a dog from like,
West Virginia, which is

539
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,840
something that we did a lot in
Northern Virginia, bring a dog

540
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,040
from West Virginia was found,
you know, in on the road

541
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,440
somewhere rural, and you're
bringing them to an urban

542
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,560
environment and expecting them
to just adapt.

543
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,800
Yeah.
That's not going to happen.

544
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,560
You're not setting them up for
success.

545
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,360
And obviously that's where the
adopters are.

546
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,640
So we need to obviously bring
them there.

547
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,680
But how are we setting them up
for success if we're just

548
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,000
throwing them to the wolves and
we're unprepared?

549
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:23,160
Like the pet parent who's
adopting them is not prepared

550
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,480
for how to properly introduce
these experiences.

551
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,400
Yeah, it is.
It's it's, it's so much more

552
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,040
than I think most people think
about.

553
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:41,400
And also as an animal ages, just
like as a human ages, we are

554
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,880
less willing to deal with
bullshit.

555
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,960
We just and we have to
understand that our pets are the

556
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,760
same way.
We talk about, I talk about this

557
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,920
a lot with cats.
I talk about it less with dogs,

558
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,360
but the same thing is true.
Like they may be, they may act

559
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,280
as if totally as everything is
totally fine for most of their

560
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,040
lives.
And then as they get older,

561
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,520
they're just less willing to
deal with stuff that makes them

562
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,080
uncomfortable.
And then you see the snapping

563
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:14,120
and the, you know, parking their
floods on the ground, refusing

564
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,960
to move because they're just
done with it.

565
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,159
Like these things we, we, we
call behavior problems, but

566
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:25,239
they're really not.
They are just dogs saying I'm

567
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,880
sick of this.
I'm a dog.

568
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,679
I'm not a human.
You have not set me up for

569
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,320
success.
You have not given me the tools

570
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,400
that I need to be able to
navigate this world that you

571
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,639
live in, in a, in the way that
you want me to.

572
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,199
And I'm just done.
I'm just done with this.

573
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,320
Fight, flight or freeze, they're
going to choose one of those

574
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,239
things because they are often in
survival mode.

575
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,480
We've introduced them to things
and places they don't

576
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,880
understand.
They have no idea what the

577
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,320
appeal is of going to a resort
hotel for a week and like

578
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,360
exploring there.
Most of them are like, I don't

579
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,960
get it.
The one of the quotes that I

580
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,520
really like from the article
from that we're looking at is

581
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,120
animals think, but they probably
probably don't think like we do.

582
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:14,040
So what we see is this really
great opportunity to do spring.

583
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,720
I'm using spring break as an
example.

584
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:23,240
We took Kira, who was our only
dog at the time, and the cat Van

585
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:27,840
Gogh to to Phoenix and with the
kids.

586
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,160
And obviously we drove there and
the the cat's like in his

587
00:35:31,240 --> 00:35:32,960
carrier, like what are we doing?
Right?

588
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,920
Like why are we still in?
Why am I still in this carrier?

589
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,160
And we get there to this great
resort.

590
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,120
And now it's probably a pet
friendly hotel room.

591
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,120
So it smells like other pets and
they're both coming in like what

592
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,520
is this place?
And now we have to like, you

593
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,120
know, figure out where to put
their litter box and their water

594
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,640
bowls.
And they're this, then they're

595
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,160
that.
And they're like, what are we

596
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,920
doing?
And for us, it's like vacay.

597
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,360
So for from our perspectives,
it's so different.

598
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,640
Just like I'm going down to the
mailbox for 10 minutes and I

599
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,600
stop and I say hi to my friends
down the street.

600
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,200
Kira's in here being like, she's
gone forever.

601
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,960
What if she never comes back?
And it's the same situation,

602
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,080
just seen so differently.
And then what we see is these

603
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,720
behaviors that are usually
caused by something they can't

604
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,840
control, right?
Like the anxiety leads to

605
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,440
chewing, destructive scratching,
either from a dog or a cat.

606
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,720
You're talking about like, you
know, urinating inside.

607
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,560
A lot of dogs self soothe by
drinking too much water and then

608
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,000
they'll need to go quicker than
you thought.

609
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,520
So you're not home yet and
they're urinating on your floor.

610
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:49,160
They literally have like their
bowels and their, their bladder

611
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,320
can't be controlled because of
the anxiety they feel, right?

612
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,880
Like they become incontinent
from the fear, the panic that

613
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,320
they're experiencing.
And we're mad at them for the

614
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,080
urination or defecation in our
house.

615
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,840
And really they're just like, I
could not control that.

616
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,880
Like, I know I'm supposed to go
outside.

617
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,160
Like I would have done that if I
had been given the opportunity.

618
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,840
But you were gone for the whole
day and you were here all

619
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,280
weekend.
So I have to readjust every

620
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,640
Monday to you leaving, right?
There's always the people who

621
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:24,680
say my dog hates when I leave
and like they pee when I'm gone.

622
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,680
And it's like, but do they hate
when you leave because they're

623
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,240
like mad that you left or do
they just not understand that

624
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,120
you're coming back?
Did you not did they have a bad

625
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,360
experience that makes them fear
that you're not coming back?

626
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,480
Did they, you know, did they
have an uncomfortable experience

627
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,080
in their crate and now you're
crating them while you're gone?

628
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,600
Do they have a history of having
been left alone in a previous

629
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,560
life, a previous home, right,
like where you adopted them

630
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,880
later in life?
So all these things, it's not

631
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,400
your dog's not spiting you.
Yeah, well, and it's like, so my

632
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,760
dog Kim, she had separation
anxiety when we adopted her.

633
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,520
I don't know what happened to
her in her first 2 1/2 years of

634
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,240
life.
I know that she was in a foster

635
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,920
home with way too many dogs in
the rescue.

636
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,320
And I know that I worked with
her a lot.

637
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,920
She did get better.
Never.

638
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,720
It never went away.
Like I don't, I don't know a dog

639
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,920
that it has gone away.
And I mean, I know I followed

640
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,440
Milena De Martini's book like I
did everything.

641
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,720
It was my introduction into dog
training was her book on

642
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,840
separation anxiety.
And I did everything and it got

643
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,960
better.
And then when with my life

644
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,240
situation and everything that
has happened this year, she has

645
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:47,760
just spiraled.
It has gotten so much worse.

646
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:52,960
And I don't blame her for that.
Her life, I mean our life has

647
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,960
been turned upside down this
year and I can't blame her for

648
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,320
that.
But I can like people do.

649
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,000
Yeah, life changes.
Life changes.

650
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:08,400
A move, a move for for humans, a
move is just as traumatic as a

651
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,280
death.
A move like just like a physical

652
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,600
move from one house to another.
Granted, I feel like the

653
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,800
military, I feel like if you're
moving every two to three years,

654
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,320
you probably get used to it on
some level, even though I'm not

655
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,400
discrediting how stressful that
is.

656
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,000
But like, it's not like you have
a death every three years now

657
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,600
that you've been doing it for 20
years.

658
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,640
But for those people who say
like they have lived in one home

659
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,720
for, you know, however long and
now you're moving and it's just

660
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:40,040
as disruptive to like the
central nervous system as a loss

661
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,320
or a huge like trauma because
it's so, so much, it's so much

662
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,320
to handle so many things to
coordinate.

663
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,080
It's just the physical, mental,
spiritual changes that are

664
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,080
happening.
And so are and that's us

665
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,320
choosing it.
That's us calling the movers.

666
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,640
So think about when it's
completely out of the pets

667
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,960
control.
Right, they have no idea, they

668
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,080
just know your anxiety.
Yeah, like, this was done to me.

669
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,560
One day.
I'm in this house that I've been

670
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,360
in for five years, and then now
I'm in this other house.

671
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,920
It smells different.
It looks different.

672
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,880
It feels different.
When we moved from Louisiana to

673
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:21,280
El Paso, the whole the climate,
the landscape was completely

674
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,440
different.
Like, until we got to our house,

675
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,480
there was no grass anywhere.
Yeah.

676
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:33,000
So Kira's now learning how to
pee on rocks and gravel, which

677
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,160
she had never done because we
were in Louisiana or Northern

678
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,080
Virginia where grass was
everywhere, right.

679
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,400
So all of these things that were
just like, Nah, she didn't want

680
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,600
to walk on the rocks at first.
She was like, that hurts my

681
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:43,560
feet.
I don't like that.

682
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,520
And so it was like she didn't
pee for like 8 hours.

683
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,640
We would get her out every.
And then she finally got used to

684
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,160
it.
But it was those things that

685
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,400
were, yeah, like if she had peed
in the hotel room, would I have

686
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,920
gotten mad at her?
No, because I was.

687
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,800
I'm an educated enough to know
that she's having a hard time

688
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,640
figuring out what to do.
The next step was going to be

689
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,160
literally going to buy one of
those patches of grass and bring

690
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:08,320
it in inside or something.
But we, we, we put our pets into

691
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,840
these situations and then we
call them aggressive, we call

692
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,720
them anxious, we call them all
these things.

693
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,400
And like there are things that
obviously we can't control

694
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,480
either.
Like if there is an anxiety

695
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,040
related to noise and there's
fireworks or there are there's a

696
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,800
thunderstorm, like we can't
control that, but we can manage

697
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,600
that and we could try to
alleviate that through training.

698
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,520
But when it comes to like
aggression, we can control a lot

699
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,880
of those things.
Like when a dog bites a child,

700
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,840
why was the child even near the
dog?

701
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,960
Where was the management right?
When a dog who is who has shown

702
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:47,600
snapping or growling signs being
made uncomfortable by XYZ

703
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,920
situation is being repeatedly
put in those situations, Those

704
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,200
are the times when we can say
that was the human error.

705
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,400
That was not the dog, and we
need to listen more to the dogs

706
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,600
so that we can prevent these
behaviors.

707
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,280
And then there are times when
you really do need to get

708
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,360
professional help immediately,
like a dog with separation

709
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,360
anxiety, where they are tearing
apart your home.

710
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,560
They can't be crated because
they're a danger to themselves.

711
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,040
But then they can't be left in a
room because they'll eat the

712
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,080
comforter.
And you, you know, you're down

713
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,560
to like nothing in your room and
they're eating the drywall.

714
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,200
This is, you know, these things
happen.

715
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,600
So like at that point, this
needs to become like a super

716
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:31,120
important part of your life
where you like dedicate time,

717
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,080
patience, compassion,
understanding and a lot of

718
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:39,240
potentially money into fixing
this problem because your best

719
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:41,320
dog trainers are not going to do
this for free.

720
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:44,840
And there's a, you know, there's
a lot of liability involved in

721
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,200
these extreme behaviors, right?
Like I, you know, they're going

722
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,280
to your dog trainer should have
insurance in case, you know,

723
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,000
something that they tell you to
do, it results in something that

724
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,480
you didn't want as an outcome.
So those things, when it comes

725
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,440
to that point where it's
affecting your life and the

726
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,600
pet's life, that's when you need
to get this immediate attention

727
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,040
from a professional dog trainer
like now.

728
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,520
Yeah, absolutely.
So we only have like 15 minutes

729
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,520
left and I wanted to bring up
something that I felt was very

730
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:23,520
contradictory and very important
for us to talk about because of

731
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,880
course it brings me right back
around to what I'm most

732
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:31,520
comfortable talking about.
So it says for dog owners, it's

733
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,880
important to learn to read your
dog's body language and talk to

734
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,240
your local veterinarian.
If there is any type of behavior

735
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:39,720
happening that bothers you, they
can help you identify the cause

736
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:43,040
and find a solution.
However, it also says some

737
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,920
studies report that only 50% of
veterinarians ask questions

738
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,240
about behavior during
appointments and owners may not

739
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:52,320
think to ask the veterinarian
about something they don't like.

740
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:59,560
What this to me says is that pet
parents are aware and at least

741
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,120
to some degree, maybe not all of
them, maybe, and maybe some of

742
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,880
it is subconscious.
But to me, what this is saying

743
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,960
is that first of all, I know as
a professional that

744
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:15,480
veterinarians, generally
speaking, are not trained to

745
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,800
help people with behavior
problems.

746
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,400
Unless they're caused by unless
a physical ailment.

747
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,240
Exactly.
Yes.

748
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:27,080
If they're caused by something
painful in the body, if there's

749
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:32,200
some disease process causing an
issue, some sort of, you know,

750
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,320
pressure on the brain or, you
know, who knows?

751
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,160
Yes, they can.
I, yeah, they can identify.

752
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,520
Yes, they can identify things
that are physical in nature.

753
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,120
But what this is kind of saying
to me is like, people understand

754
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,160
even if it's subconsciously that
veterinarians are not equipped

755
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:57,200
to handle behavioral issues.
And generally speaking again.

756
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,600
Everything, especially now with
the rise of dog training online

757
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,920
on social media, like all we see
of, you know, this dog trainer

758
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,560
and that dog trainer.
And like, I mean, I hate to give

759
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,560
Cesar Milan any credit for
anything, but he did kind of

760
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,600
hear bring it to that trainer
that people recognized as a

761
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,640
career, as a profession.
So he did do that.

762
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,440
I didn't like his his approach,
but you know, he and Victoria

763
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:30,480
Stillwell and you know a few
others that were kind of like

764
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,400
the original dog trainers on TV.
They did make it so that we

765
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,000
recognize that there's a
difference between the medical

766
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,360
professional and the behavior
professional, even though one

767
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,440
does go to school.
And then there are obviously

768
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,520
behavior of veterinary
behaviorists, but most people

769
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,560
don't know about those unless
they're referred to 1.

770
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,840
Yeah, and they are hard, hard to
find.

771
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,120
My kind of hope in this is that
people, people also start

772
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:59,960
realizing that veterinarians are
not equipped for preventive care

773
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,120
and they're not equipped for
nutrition.

774
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,200
Like that's my big one.
They are not equipped for

775
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,720
nutrition unless again like a
veterinary behaviorist, they go

776
00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:12,200
out and seek additional
education outside of their

777
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,400
veterinary degree, their
veterinary license.

778
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,240
So that's kind of where like my
mind went as I was reading this.

779
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,200
It's like, oh, that's
interesting that we do, even if

780
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,560
it's subconsciously kind of
recognize that veterinarians

781
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,120
aren't equipped to handle
behavior, but like we are not

782
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,880
yet realizing that they're not
equipped to handle nutrition

783
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:37,240
questions and.
I've never been asked by vet

784
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,760
about my pets behavior to be
honest with you.

785
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:45,680
I've gone to them with socks had
like crystals in her urine when

786
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,560
she was a puppy and she was
peeing all over.

787
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,520
So I went with a behavior
concern.

788
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,720
I go with a behavior concern
like when radar had some kind of

789
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,920
neurological issue, I went
saying these this is the

790
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,000
behavior I'm seeing and I think
it's time to say goodbye.

791
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:09,320
We go to them with behavior
issues that we know are caused

792
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,400
by some kind of right, because
like because Socks knew to pee

793
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,880
outside, but she would pee every
30 minutes.

794
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:21,280
So it was like there was
obviously a medical issue,

795
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,400
right?
So if we're somewhat educated on

796
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,120
human health, we kind of go to
those conclusions.

797
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:32,320
But when I think about my like
talks with vets, the only vet

798
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,480
that's ever asked me what my
pets eat was one that was

799
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:41,720
prescribing prescription diets
for socks with the incontinence

800
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:48,080
or my veterinarian who came to
the house and we told her we do

801
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,560
a homemade raw.
And she asked so that she could

802
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,160
get more clarity on what we did
and how we handled it.

803
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,000
And she was at my house.
So we showed her the whole

804
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,680
process and how we kept things
clean.

805
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,200
But that's, I mean, I've been a
pet parent since 2008, like my

806
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,760
own adult as an adult almost 20
years.

807
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,480
And what else have I?
Nutrition.

808
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,120
No behavior.
Never.

809
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,080
I mean, never.
Like we've gone with Satchmo to

810
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,520
say he bites when people touch
him around this area, right?

811
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,720
Because that's that I know could
be physical.

812
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:27,800
But yeah, no, I've never, I've
never been asked about just like

813
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,040
a regular at any age, whether my
pets were four months when I got

814
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,120
Titan or, you know, Satchmo's
ten.

815
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:38,840
I've never been asked, like, how
does he walk on a leash?

816
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,320
And how does he respond to other
dogs?

817
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,960
And how does he, you know,
behave when strangers come over?

818
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,680
Like no, never.
And I, and I do think, I mean,

819
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,560
I, I definitely see it on social
media, people want to avoid the

820
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,800
veterinarian at all cost and
they don't attribute behavioral

821
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,360
issues with medical issues
nearly as often as they should.

822
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:07,880
Yeah, we always any, any new
behavior that your pet is

823
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:13,400
exhibiting is a reason to go to
your veterinarian so that they

824
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,640
can either say, yes, there is a
physical reason for this

825
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,520
happening or no, there isn't.
And then you can go down the

826
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,480
behavioral issue.
I mean the behavioral route.

827
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:27,560
That is something I do think
that pet parents are not really

828
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,080
great about.
They it's like they don't want

829
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,120
to quote, waste money.
It's not a waste of money to get

830
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,880
a diagnosis.
Would it be a waste of money to

831
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,040
just throw prescriptions at it?
Maybe.

832
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,720
Yeah, Yeah.
So be a discerning pet parent

833
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,920
and say I'm here for a diagnosis
and then I'm going, you know, if

834
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,720
it's not an emergency, take that
information back home with you.

835
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,640
Think about it, research it,
figure out what's going to be

836
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,320
best for you and your pet.
Is behavior modification the the

837
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,480
first thing you want to do
instead of throwing Prozac at

838
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,560
something?
Probably right?

839
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,840
Well, I mean, and it depends on
the age too, like at 14 years

840
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,680
old, maybe you do want to throw
Prozac at it for quality of

841
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,240
life.
I mean, for me, it's always like

842
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,720
when you start noticing a
change, if it's like a big

843
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:24,080
change, like your dog bit
somebody overnight and they're

844
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:28,120
maybe 1012, that is a really
good indication that they could

845
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,000
be in pain and defensive, right?
They've never bit before and all

846
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,440
of a sudden they're biting like,
whoa, that's so quick.

847
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,960
You need to go straight to the
vet.

848
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,120
You need to call and you need to
like kind of pressure them to

849
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,400
get you in soon because that
situation can escalate.

850
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,800
But let's say that your dog's
pacing a little bit right at

851
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,080
night, they get up, they pace a
little bit, they look a little

852
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,680
confused, maybe that's not
urgent, but maybe you can

853
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,280
observe them for a week, Call
the vet and say, hey, this is

854
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,840
what I'm observing.
If it becomes more frequent or

855
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,120
it becomes and it's, it's, it's
coupled with like vomiting or

856
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,280
releasing their bowels or
whatever, then now you're

857
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,440
calling and saying, hey, I need
to get in sooner.

858
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,240
But there's a lot that we can
kind of observe before we go to

859
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,880
the vet, but not immediately
just discard the vet.

860
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,680
Like knowing that behaviors
often are.

861
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:17,560
We talked, we've talked about
this so much, like even with the

862
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,040
dog bite conversation where like
dogs, they're going to bite if

863
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,080
they're in pain 100%, but
they're going to avoid the bite

864
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,120
as much as they can.
They don't want to start

865
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,440
arguments with humans or with
other dogs, so to speak.

866
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,400
So if you see that they've
gotten to that point where they

867
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,320
are urinating inside and that's
not something that they've done

868
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,680
before, there are they are
defecating inside.

869
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,040
Like last night, Satchmo woke me
up at 5:00 in the morning to go

870
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,480
out.
He needed to go to the bathroom.

871
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,800
He didn't go out after dinner.
We fed him kind of late.

872
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,400
We were at the movies.
So I know that that was just, he

873
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,920
didn't get to go at night and
then he meet like by the time

874
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,200
5:00 AM rolls around, he was
ready to go out.

875
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,600
But if he's waking me up every
single night needing to go out

876
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,080
and it's like soft stool, now
that there's a problem there,

877
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,840
there might be a problem.
So having that kind of like

878
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,600
moment to take a pause and think
about what's happening, you can

879
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,360
figure out whether it could be
physical, a veterinary thing or

880
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,720
a dog trainer thing.
But most dog trainers will refer

881
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:23,200
you to the vet first.
Most dog trainers will be like,

882
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,440
you're telling me he's doing
this and when is he doing it and

883
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,360
when was the last time he did it
and how old is he?

884
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,800
And when was his last, you know,
his last blood work or whatever.

885
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,880
And they'll be like, you know
what, before we work together,

886
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,040
you need to go to the vet
because they know that a lot of

887
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,200
this stuff can come from just
like, like you said at the

888
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,600
beginning, just feeling like
crap.

889
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:50,520
And one thing I have done is and
because you brought up the like

890
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,480
pacing at night, I mean,
fortunately we have so much more

891
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,920
knowledge now like not all
veterinarians will.

892
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,800
But generally speaking,
especially in like the healthy

893
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,880
pet space, we know like
mushrooms are excellent for

894
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,400
cognitive health and we can, we
can implement these things on

895
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,320
our own without seeking
veterinary assistance.

896
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,960
But one thing that I have done
if I'm like really unsure, but I

897
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,480
know it's not an emergency is I
will call the vet and I will say

898
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,600
this is what I'm seeing.
I know that like I'm not ready

899
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,840
to bring my animal in.
I don't feel like it's an

900
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,680
emergency.
I feel like this is something I

901
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,040
need to wait and see.
But can you tell me what what I

902
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:37,200
should be looking for?
Because if X happens, I know I

903
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,040
need to call and make an
appointment and they'll kind of

904
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:45,680
advise you in that way.
They may or may not be happy

905
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,320
about having to take the time
for that phone call, but

906
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,320
hopefully you have a really.
Bad.

907
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,960
Well, I.
Mean and The thing is you should

908
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,400
be going to the vet annually at
some point in their life.

909
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,200
You should be going semi
annually.

910
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,720
So twice a year you should be,
you know, kind of keeping up

911
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:09,120
with what like follow-ups like
if your dog had like high kidney

912
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,840
levels, you should be following
up within three months, maybe

913
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,800
with a phone call.
My vet's wonderful.

914
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,320
I mean, it's not her calling me,
but they do call after every

915
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,200
appointment being like, how are
the medicine?

916
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,800
How's the medicine working?
Is it working?

917
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,840
Is it not?
And if I, and most of the time

918
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,520
it's yes, it's fantastic, all's
cleared up, whatever.

919
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,840
But if it's not, then obviously
the vet will either ask me to

920
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,840
come back in or call me.
And I'd rather, you know, when

921
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,400
it comes to, like you said,
preventive, I'd rather be in

922
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,800
charge of that myself.
Where I force myself to take my

923
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,440
dogs every year.
Now it's more often because

924
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,720
they're older.
But like, Van Gogh's going to go

925
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:46,280
once a year.
He's like two or three.

926
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:47,360
I can't remember.
I can't do math.

927
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,680
The past few years have like all
they're all meshed together, but

928
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,800
he only goes once a year.
And if he doesn't go at the year

929
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,840
and he's doing great and there's
no changes, I don't worry about

930
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,360
like going at 14 months or
whatever just because we got

931
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,600
busy.
But when it comes to a dog with

932
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,920
a chronic disease or with a
who's aging, you know, cognitive

933
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,720
decline is something that I
think a lot of pet parents don't

934
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:13,320
know about, don't understand and
don't really can't really

935
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,440
recognize until it's kind of
really affected quality of life.

936
00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:19,960
And so that's why one of the
things that you and I always

937
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:24,480
talk about is making sure you're
staying on those six every six

938
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,640
month or every year
appointments, especially as your

939
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,320
dog gets old, because that is
maybe when your vet will ask you

940
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,360
like, is there any pacing at
night?

941
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,520
Are they still eating?
Are they still willing to go for

942
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,640
a walk?
Do they look kind of wobbly in

943
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,720
the morning?
What's what about arthritis or

944
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:44,760
whatever?
Because that's kind of dates on

945
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,680
their radar.
It's harder when it's the when

946
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,960
it's like an adult dog who may
be presenting with issues and

947
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,360
there's no physical reason for
it to happen.

948
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,680
But there could be trauma.
And I think that what we're both

949
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,640
saying is when it comes to like
behaviors caused by trauma,

950
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:05,480
which we all have, I don't think
veterinarians are going to all

951
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,760
have the most veterinarians are
going to have the expertise on

952
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,960
that because their focus is
behavior and health related

953
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,160
things.
And again, veterinarians have to

954
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,280
learn all animal species outside
of humans and they have to learn

955
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,720
all specialties basically.
So they're not going to know

956
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,080
about your dog's trauma and how
it's affecting them everyday.

957
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,280
So that's why we have, you know,
Melena di Martini, who

958
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,640
specializes in separation
anxiety, Michael Chicashio, who

959
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,840
specializes in aggression.
There's a lot of puppy experts

960
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,000
who are going to set your puppy
up for success to prevent a lot

961
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,840
of these.
Dale Ward is one of my favorites

962
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,320
to refer to.
And she actually wrote a book

963
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,640
called Raising the Worst Dog
Ever because she did it all

964
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,160
wrong.
Her book is her first dog that

965
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,920
she trained.
That dog is why she's a dog

966
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,200
trainer.
And that's why she, you know,

967
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,480
now works with puppies so much,
is setting them up for success,

968
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:06,120
for a life where they don't have
as many traumas because they are

969
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,400
better prepared to adapt to our
world.

970
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,400
But this, I mean, this, I think
this is so cool that we're

971
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,880
actually taking the time to talk
about this because I think the

972
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:21,040
more people recognize that we
need to stop, like just letting

973
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:26,600
our dogs live according to our
needs, the more we realize that

974
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:32,200
these behaviors are common and
treatable, the more we realize

975
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,520
that it falls on us to do the
right thing, the better, right?

976
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,720
So like when we see that 99% of
dogs show some kind of behavior

977
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,520
issue in the United States, at
least we can say like there's a

978
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:49,920
community of us who get it and
we can all do our part to help

979
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,240
these dogs do better, cope
better, adjust better.

980
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,800
And we have to recognize that
that's not going to happen

981
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,840
overnight.
And maybe it'll teach, you know,

982
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:03,200
people who are thinking about
getting dogs that it's a big

983
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,960
responsibility.
Like it's there's a very good

984
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,000
chance that your dog is going to
have an issue and you need to be

985
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,600
prepared to handle it and manage
it and address it.

986
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,640
Well, not only a very good
chance that your dog is going to

987
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,880
have an issue, but a very good
chance that you are causing an

988
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,000
issue for your dog.
And not like, I'm not saying

989
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,240
that in a like being mean to you
kind of way.

990
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,880
Like is it my fault that I moved
and my dog is now regressing?

991
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:37,440
I mean in a way, like in a way,
but also like, I don't have to

992
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,680
beat myself up over that.
Don't take that off.

993
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,640
Don't take that off.
Is it your fault That is it Is

994
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,960
it my fault that Kira is more
anxious than she would be if I

995
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,840
gave her more exercise for her
breed?

996
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,640
Yeah.
Like I know that her her breed

997
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,040
needs a lot of exercise and a
lot of outlets, right?

998
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,000
Am I giving her enough outlets?
Probably not.

999
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,400
So yes, that's my fault.
And like that is the fault of a

1000
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,360
lot of us.
That's a very common fault.

1001
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,720
That's one of the reasons that
I, I'm so passionate about dog

1002
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,280
walkers.
Dog walkers to me are such an

1003
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:17,080
underutilized resource for dog
parents because you, if you find

1004
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,240
the right dog Walker, not only
will there, they tailor their

1005
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,120
services to your dog's energy
levels and fitness needs and

1006
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,560
breed demands.
They're going to, you know, come

1007
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,120
over and make sure that your
puppy gets potty trained

1008
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,720
properly, efficiently, right?
That it doesn't take a year,

1009
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:35,920
it'll take three months because
there's, there's going to be

1010
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,040
consistency, There's going to
be, you know, you could work

1011
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:42,840
together to say, you know, I
want my dog jogged.

1012
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,840
I need my dog jogged while I'm
at work, not just walked around

1013
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,840
the block.
That's not enough for my like,

1014
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,760
you know, Siberian Husky.
So those are resources that are

1015
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,560
so underutilized.
And if you cannot afford a dog

1016
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,960
Walker, guess who's the dog
Walker You are or don't get that

1017
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:02,920
breed.
Yeah.

1018
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,360
Well, I guess my point is like
just realizing that we are part.

1019
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,000
Like we have to realize that
we're part of the problem to be

1020
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,520
able to address that we're part
of the problem, if that makes

1021
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,040
sense.
Instead of burying our head in

1022
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:21,120
the sand and saying, oh, this
dog, that this dog does this and

1023
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,720
that and I hate it and blah,
blah blah.

1024
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,560
We have to be able to look at
ourselves in the mirror and say

1025
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,280
what am I doing to contribute to
it and what can I do to change

1026
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,560
it instead of just blaming the
dog for everything.

1027
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,680
Yes, 100%.
And you know what the the reason

1028
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:41,640
I'm doing that is because that's
literally parenting of any sort.

1029
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,880
That's literally parenting of
any sort.

1030
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,360
Our kids, our dogs, they react
based on us, what we put out,

1031
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,920
the boundaries we set or don't
set the the needs we meet or

1032
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:57,840
don't meet, the examples we set
or don't set right.

1033
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:02,120
So like if I'm like, you know,
acting crazy and completely

1034
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,040
unregulated, my dog is going to
be and my kid is going to be

1035
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,080
completely crazy and
unregulated.

1036
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,080
I need to teach what I want for
my children.

1037
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,040
I need to teach my dog to
settle, right?

1038
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,680
Like so many dogs, puppies don't
know how to relax.

1039
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:18,880
And it's like they don't know
how to do that because that's

1040
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,240
not normal for them.
I'm like, you're going to, you

1041
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,960
know, you take them to the dog
park, you want them to be wild

1042
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,240
there.
You take them to your backyard.

1043
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,000
You want them to just relax
while you have a beer.

1044
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,920
Like it looks the same to them.
So you have to teach them these

1045
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:31,600
things.
And one of the conversations I

1046
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:33,840
have with my husband all the
time is he's kind of like

1047
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,880
military and like, this is right
and this is wrong.

1048
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,200
And I'm like, your job is to
teach them.

1049
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,080
They weren't born knowing that.
Like, I get that you understand

1050
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,080
that they shouldn't do that
because agreed, they shouldn't

1051
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,000
do that.
But when did they learn not to

1052
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,280
do that?
Like we taught them not to cross

1053
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,000
the street without looking
right?

1054
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,920
We taught them that, but we
didn't teach them to maybe, you

1055
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,560
know, I don't know, make their
back because it hasn't been

1056
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,280
something we're teaching them.
Where, where are they going to

1057
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,880
learn that if if they're not
learning it from us?

1058
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,080
So it's the same thing with our
dogs.

1059
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:11,920
Like if we're teaching them to,
you know, walk on a leash

1060
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,480
properly, they're not going to
naturally know that.

1061
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,080
If we teach them to, you know,
not steal the food from the

1062
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,440
other dog in the house, then
they might, there might not be a

1063
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,440
fight over the food, right?
But like, we've got to teach

1064
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:25,600
them.
We've got to manage it.

1065
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:28,520
And I think pet parents just
want things to be easy.

1066
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,200
I just like parents.
They just want to be easy.

1067
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,240
And like if anything, these
numbers show that it's not easy

1068
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,760
and that us not being proactive
is making it worse is leading to

1069
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,480
a place where then it becomes a
lot harder to manage.

1070
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:50,200
Girl OK.
Well, thank you guys for joining

1071
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,880
us.
It was awesome to talk

1072
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,880
passionately about another
topic.

1073
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:59,040
We will see you next week.
Next week is.

1074
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,720
We're we're going to be in June
next week.

1075
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,480
June 3rd.
OMG what?

1076
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:11,480
June 3rd, June 3rd.
I know I'm so slammed with work

1077
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:16,040
too.
So this week I do have the CEO

1078
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:20,000
of Care Credit on the show.
So TuneIn Thursday at 3:00.

1079
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,200
We've been talking a lot about,
you know, finances.

1080
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,600
I know you had him on the show.
So if you want to listen to

1081
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,720
something about Care Credit
today, go check out the

1082
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,520
parenting reset.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1083
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:36,640
And then I have him on my show
live on, on Thursday at 3:00 PM

1084
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,680
Mountain Standard Time.
And then we'll see you next

1085
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,240
week, Wednesday.
I'm sorry, Tuesday, the 3rd of

1086
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,040
June for a conversation.
We haven't decided what we're

1087
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:50,240
talking about.
Yet no, I need to figure, I

1088
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,920
don't know, I need to go in my
inbox.

1089
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,320
And that's how I that's what I
do.

1090
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:54,840
I go through my inbox and I'm
like, what?

1091
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:56,560
Looks good, let me send this to
her.

1092
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:01,280
I just, I, I listen to people
talking in the pet industry and

1093
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,160
I say everybody's talking about
money, let's talk tariffs,

1094
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,640
everybody's talking about this,
let's talk about it.

1095
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:09,840
Yeah.
I haven't seen anything like

1096
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:11,760
really trending to be honest
with you.

1097
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,920
Yeah, I think people are are
getting really, I think people

1098
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:17,800
are already getting worn out
this year.

1099
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,880
I.
Really do well, especially like

1100
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:25,280
for me as a parent now the
school year is kind of like,

1101
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,320
yeah, like that's, that's kind
of like I, I almost, I almost

1102
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,600
operate on like 6 month periods
now.

1103
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:36,520
So January to June is like one
period and then like August to

1104
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,320
December is another period and
like summer is like a break time

1105
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,040
for me.
Thank goodness I still work, but

1106
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,720
I still kind of like reduce my
workload.

1107
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,840
And I do think that anybody who
has like, you know, even even if

1108
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,320
you don't have kids, like kids
in your family, like graduations

1109
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,760
and end of school activities and
presentations and all the things

1110
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,880
that you highlight games and all
the stuff that is happening.

1111
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,840
So I think people are kind of
tired, but we've talked about

1112
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,040
pet sitting, we've talked about
what to do.

1113
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:11,000
You know, one thing I don't know
that we've talked about is like

1114
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:16,840
boarding facilities, maybe for
boarding for cats, maybe the,

1115
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:20,480
the, the pros and cons of
boarding for cats and like,

1116
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,600
because there are people who
travel for a long period of time

1117
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,840
and maybe can't leave their cat
alone.

1118
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,120
So maybe we can talk about
boarding and some, some degree

1119
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:32,440
because I, I'm a big believer in
in home pet care, but I

1120
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,400
recognize that it's not for
everybody.

1121
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:38,840
So finding the right boarding
facility is something I think

1122
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,080
pet parents really need to think
about.

1123
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:46,760
I think also boarding options
for your cat there there there

1124
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:50,960
are trends now where there are
really nice luxury boarding

1125
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:54,680
facilities for cats only popping
up all over the US.

1126
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,080
And that's a really good tool
for people who are traveling

1127
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,560
long term or have like a social
puppy that just wants more

1128
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:02,640
attention.
So if you're cool with that, we

1129
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,800
can talk about something like
that, since summer's coming and

1130
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:07,680
people are going to have to make
decisions, if you haven't

1131
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,400
already, about your pets, yeah.
You should have, you should have

1132
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,440
made decisions about those
months ago.

1133
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,880
But OK, I'll talk about.
It well, it depends on when

1134
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:20,160
you're leaving.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1135
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,080
That sounds good.
We'll talk about that and.

1136
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,600
Then cat boarding.
Let's talk about cat boarding.

1137
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:25,880
OK.
Yeah.

1138
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:29,320
All right, Awesome, guys.
Well, thanks for joining us

1139
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,880
again and we'll see you next
week to talk about cat boarding.

1140
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,240
We gotta get to give some love
to the cat people out there too.

1141
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,640
Yeah.
All right, guys.

1142
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:36,880
All right, have a good week.