Bird Flu: What We Know So Far (Weekly Pet Roundup LIVE)

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Yes, hello, welcome to 2025 and
we're going to be talking about

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Berkeley today.
Do you want to go live on the

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we'll jump into everything.

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Thank you guys so much for being
here.

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I'm so excited you're here
because I have so much to tell

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you.
Hi everybody on Facebook and

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YouTube and Instagram, Welcome
to the Week, the first weekly

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pet roundup of 2020. 5 yes, I
know we were going to do

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resolutions this week, but with,
yeah, with the whole bird flu

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thing, it just felt like we
really, really should be talking

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about this.
And I'm kind of glad we didn't

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like rush into talking about
this because it's just been.

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I feel like there's just so much
fear that people needed a minute

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to, like, settle down and kind
of like, get their heads back on

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their shoulders and be like, OK,
now I can listen to what people

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have to say about, like, what's
actually going on and what the

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facts actually are.
But really quickly, before we do

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that, in case this is the first
time you're joining us, my name

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is Jessica.
This is Isabelle.

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Hi, I have my podcast is the pet
parenting reset per podcast is

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covered in pet hair and I was
like I was sleeping up this

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morning and in my head I just
kept going.

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It was like over and over, like
you're going live in 2025

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because you're doing your your
podcast live now.

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You start.
Yes, I'm transitioning to a live

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podcast starting 2025 because
I'm having a really hard time

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editing and putting stuff out
because I am a digital marketer

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and I work with pet businesses.
So like that's where my focus

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really lies.
And then my podcast, I love to

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do, I do journalism, I love to
interview people, tell people's

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stories.
But live is going to be a lot

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easier to get out in time in a
timely manner.

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So that's why I'm going live.
But yeah, I'm usually in my

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office.
But it is the new year.

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I am not ready.
I am not ready at all.

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The holidays have been like task
after task, home, home project

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after home project.
So I'm in my family room slash

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kitchen here.
That's my dog Satchmo over here.

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I don't think you guys can see
him there.

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He is over there.
And then so I'm not usually

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here, but that's what you get
today.

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So welcome.
And hopefully by New Year's

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resolutions next week, I will be
in my office because right now I

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can't even walk in because we're
working on 2:00 rooms.

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So all the stuff from that room,
those rooms are in my office.

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Goodness.
But I need to get together by

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Thursday because I go live with
the Whisker.

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Whisker Report hosts Whisker
Media, Alexand and Mary Tan on

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Thursday.
So I got to get it.

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Together.
Yeah, that's quick.

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Quick too.
You got to get it together.

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Hopefully your kids do go back
to school on Wednesday so you

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can.
You know, I had to.

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I was telling Jessica I sent my
kids and my husband to a hotel

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locally with a heated pool for
the past 24 hours.

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And it has been magnificent to
be able to work on my home by

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myself.
And I also did some work work

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and I took some client calls.
And because they've been off

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since like the 20th of December,
I don't even know what it's like

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to have quiet anymore.
So this was nice.

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And I told old Chris I was like,
I go live at 3:00 on Monday with

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Jessica.
Do not come back until after 4.

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There you go.
I hope he no interruptions.

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Hopefully I.
Hope he remembers.

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Yeah.
So we're talking about bird flu

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or depending on where you're.
I mean, it's highly pathogenic

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avian influenza.
If I can get all of that out of

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my mouth, H5 N 1, which is a
subtype of influenza A.

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And what I find really, really
interesting about, well, a

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couple of things I find really
interesting about this

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particular virus is that
typically speaking, when we

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think of the flu virus or many
viruses that 'cause this type of

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the, the type of issues we think
of with flu like the, the, all

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the respiratory things we think
of it being transmitted through

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like respiratory means.
So droplets, air breathing the

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same air, that kind of thing.
But with this one, it has AGI

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component.
So it has been found in feces.

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It is being transmitted through
eating the raw meat of infected

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birds and also contamination
like environmental

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contamination, so like their
feathers, contaminated water

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sources, things like that, which
is is very interesting to me.

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And also the other really
interesting thing about this

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virus.
Again, most viruses when we

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think of like what is the goal
of a virus is to reproduce and

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continue to transmit, right?
So a virus is not doing itself

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any favors and killing its host,
but in cats it is highly fatal.

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So, and that's where the big
concern is right now when we

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think about like, raw food.
So hey, Kara, glad y'all are

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discussing it.
I I wrote, Kara wrote a blog.

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Yeah, that's awesome.
I've been reading so many things

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on this.
And I was actually, I haven't

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even finished the video that
Doctor Connor Brady put out I

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think yesterday on it, which is
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I have a post that I'm going to
put up after we get off of this

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live with that just kind of
summarizes everything.

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And then in the, the like
caption of that post, I, I'm

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going to link to Doctor Connor
Brady's video because it goes

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into detail about something that
I don't think we're going to

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have time to cover here today.
But the basically the zoonotic

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strains of H5 N 1 could have AGI
component like we were just

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talking about.
It can be ingested, it can be

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through food and water.
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in that way and that's why
people are so concerned with

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cats.
Just a little bit of background.

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It was first found this
particular strain, the H5 N one

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strain from what I could find,
it was first found in 1961 in

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South Africa.
It became quote highly

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pathogenic in 1996 in China.
The first human case was found

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in 1997 in Hong Kong.
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to spread worldwide.
So it's not new I guess is what

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I'm trying to, to tell people
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This isn't new.
We're just starting to see I, I

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hate to say it this way because
my heart goes out to any animal

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that is infected by even birds
that are infected by like, but

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especially our pets, our dogs
and our cats more so are cats

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right now and what we'll talk
about that in a little bit.

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But my heart goes out to any
animal that is infected by this,

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that suffers from this that dies
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And we know that a house cat in
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few weeks ago from this, which
prompted a recall from Northwest

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Naturals, and then the Internet
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So that kind of brings us up to
where we are now.

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Well.
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And this particular outbreak
started in January of 2022.

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Like this is this is just now in
the United States.

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So this is just now getting that
attention again because of the

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media coverage of that
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And you know, right now if you
go on the CDC website, they are

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tracking the locations of it and
it's in every state like, but

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some more than others, right?
So no matter where you are, yes,

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be aware of it, but just know
that like Texas doesn't have

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like the CDC doesn't really have
anything on the map for Texas.

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Whereas the Pacific Northwest in
California, you know, Idaho, oh,

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Nevada has some, like there's
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showing a lot of activity for
this particular outbreak.

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And then Florida too, and then
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So you're, you got to be really
aware of where you are and how

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it's affecting your area, your
particular area.

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Because you know, we don't want
to start everybody getting all

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worked up and afraid of
everything.

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Because honestly, I feel like
norovirus is more concerning for

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me.
I'm in my house right now

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because I'm in Texas.
We don't really have out.

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We don't have outdoor cats.
We don't feed raw poultry so

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like my risk factors are lower
and lower right and my dogs are

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walked only on leash.
They're not let off leash so

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they can find like some carcass.
So my and risk factors for bird

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flu right now are pretty low,
but my risk factors for

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norovirus for our house are
pretty high because I have a 7

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and a four year old and they're
gross.

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So, you know, just remember that
like there are millions of

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viruses out there.
There are millions of things

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that are potentially harmful for
all of us at this time.

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So getting scared of one thing
to the point where you like

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can't function is not really
like it doesn't make sense and

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it's also not good for you.
So let's let's talk about things

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that we can control and not what
we, you know, are going to make

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ourselves crazy trying to.
Control.

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Yeah.
So what I was, what I wanted to

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do is talk about the virus, talk
about the raw food and the

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recalls, and then talk about a
little bit, not a whole heck of

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a lot, but a little bit about
why we don't need to freak the

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heck out right now.
Like, please don't freak the

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heck out right now.
So OK, H5 N 1 HPAI, highly

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pathogenic avian influenza, bird
flu, whatever you're seeing it

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called, it's mostly like
seriously affected.

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The reason it's called bird flu
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is most easily transmitted
through birds.

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So wild birds, some farmed birds
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kept.
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least, that's that's kind of how
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It's definitely makes it easier.
For makes it makes it easier to

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spread They're definitely you
know, their immune systems

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aren't great because of how
they're cared for all the

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things.
So H5 N 1 infects cells by

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binding to A23 linked cialic
acid receptors say that five

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times fast.
They're abundant in the

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respiratory and intestinal tract
of birds and in some mammals,

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including cats.
So This is why it is so highly

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transmissible to cats is because
they share these A23 receptors

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and cats, their respiratory
systems have these receptors

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making them very susceptible to
the transmission.

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So dogs are nowhere they, I
don't want to say that there

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isn't a risk.
There's always a risk.

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I mean, we've seen it in many,
many animal species, including

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humans.
But the degree is so far less

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that because and and one of the
reasons is that dogs have A26

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receptors primarily.
So cats and very interestingly

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cats and birds are the ones that
have these A23 receptors that

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and that's what's making it so
highly transmissible to cats

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specifically symptoms, fever,
lethargy, the respiratory

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symptoms we would think of
coughing, sneezing, difficulty

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breathing.
It can also have some

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neurological symptoms.
And then if there is AGI

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component to be had, you, you
would likely see it in the in

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the cats and from the ingestion
of the raw poultry that was

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infected.
So Vomi and and diarrhea could

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also be present.
And this is it's often fatal in

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cats right now.
It's what they're what they're

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what we're seeing.
And that is, again, one of the

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really like really strange
things about this particular

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strain of this virus is because
that's not the goal of a virus.

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So my hope, my hope is that this
virus will adjust very quickly

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because it's realizing that it's
killing its host really quickly.

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It doesn't have the opportunity
to replicate and spread, which

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is the goal.
So hopefully that in my opinion,

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if we let it do its thing, it
will kind of adjust itself

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fairly quickly because that's
that's not what a virus wants to

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do.
That being said, right now it is

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very fatal in cats.
I also found one other thing

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that I I wanted to say before we
jump into like the actual food

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part of it.
When we think about raw poultry

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in general for human
consumption, they are testing

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birds.
So in the United States

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specifically, I didn't look
outside of the United States

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because there's so much
information just to cover here

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in the United States.
So I apologize if you are

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outside of the United States.
I mean, I think it's safe to

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say, I think it's safe to say
that Canada and Europe are

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probably doing their due
diligence as well.

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Outside of that, yeah, you'd
have to do your own research.

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And there are different ways of
testing.

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PCR tests are like the gold
standard when farmers are, I

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guess we call them, farmers are
testing their flocks, but they

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can do swabs of the throats
looking for the virus or

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antibodies to the virus, which
is a whole other thing that we

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could get into.
Like testing for the DNA doesn't

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necessarily mean that it's
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The virus could actually be
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still there.
So that's a whole other thing

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that we can kind of talk about a
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mitigation processes in raw
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talking about feeding our pets.
But swabbing the environment,

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doing blood samples, again, PCR
tests, detecting the RNA of the

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virus show to be 95% accurate.
There are other like blood

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tests, virus isolation, those
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accurate.
So if for some reason you did

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decide to contact somebody who
is making food, who, who is

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raising birds, excuse me,
ideally you want to be looking

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for them to do PCR testing.
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but it is rare and it's most
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contact with an infected bird
because, again, the receptors

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are different.
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United States at least, supposed
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slaughter inspections and
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Yeah.
So that kind of brings me to the

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food situation.
Are you ready for the food

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situation?
Yeah, well, like we'll, we'll

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this is this is really for those
that feed raw, but I, I have

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questions about commercial pet
foods too.

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So which one do you want to?
Start with the recalls are

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coming from right.
Well, commercial.

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Cooked commercial, cooked OK.
So because if we're not feeding

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human grade, how do we we know
that there's nothing painted in

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there?
Well, and that.

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And that's my.
Cat has to do that has to do

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with how do we inactivate this
virus because it's an

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encapsulated virus.
So if we, if we damaged the, the

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encapsulation, then it's no,
it's, it's an inactive virus

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technic unless, unless it
figures out how to repair

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itself.
And so there are mitigation

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factors that that we can talk
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But I want to, if it's OK with
you, talk about the recalls

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because there is.
So it prompted the Northwest

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Naturals recall.
Murash Meets of Portland is

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their Packer.
They issued a voluntary recall

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for their 2 LB Turkey feline
recipes due to the highly

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pathogenic avian influenza where
a house cat died.

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And I again just want to say I I
am so so so sorry that this

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house cat died.
I honestly wish nothing but like

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peace and love to this cat's
family.

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I hope that they I hope the cat
didn't suffer and I hope that

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they are at peace with with what
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That being said, Oregon
Department of Agriculture did

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not do what they were supposed
to do when testing this sample.

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So they tested the open package
that the client, the customer,

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the pet parent provided, which
did test positive for avian

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influenza for H5 N 1 and matched
the match that the cat they said

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died of this same strain.
Susan Thixon wrote her blog a

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while back, right right after
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mandatory for regulatory
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samples.
The protocol for USDAFDA and all

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state departments of agriculture
is to test an unopened sample.

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An unopened sample is not an I'm
sorry, an opened sample is not

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an acceptable sample to force
the company to recall.

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An open sample can be
contaminated from outside

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sources prior to analysis.
Laboratory analysis of an open

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sample should never be used to
issue a press release

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frightening a world of pet
owners.

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That's a quote from Susan
Thixton's blog.

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And the reason I bring that up
is not to shame anybody, not to

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make anybody think that, oh,
they shouldn't be worried about

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feeding raw poultry.
I do think that we should be

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concerned with our cats and
feeding raw poultry.

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I just think we need to be a
little bit more like not in our

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fear brain and, and thinking a
little bit more rationally.

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And so pet food industry PFI
issued a blog as well where Pets

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Plus contacted and spoke to the
owner of this cat.

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And I'm not going to say her
name.

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You can find her name if you
want to find her name.

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But the so the the cat's owner
said that the infected cat was

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not a strictly indoor cat, which
was contradictory to the Oregon

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Department of Agriculture
statement.

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And the cat frequently
accompanied her owner into pet

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stores and appeared often on
social media in outdoor

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excursions.
So it is possible that this

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opened package of food was
contaminated after the company

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packaged it.
And it got to.

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And again, I'm not saying that
that's what happened, but that

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possibility exists because the
Oregon Department of Agriculture

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did not go through the proper
testing protocols.

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And so we don't know, right?
All it takes is that cat coming

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in, infected somebody using a
spoon, and now we've

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contaminated the sample.
Yeah.

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Like it's it's not.
It's not hard to contaminate a

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sample.
I mean, so that's why they have

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these regulations where you have
to have a closed package.

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What I don't understand is why
wouldn't they look and by the

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time the pet is sick, passes
away and there's an

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investigation?
Also, how long was that package

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open?
Yeah, there are a lot of

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questions like that that we
don't know.

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So currently, to my knowledge,
nobody knows if any other

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unopened packages have been
tested yet.

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And I, I can see where look NW
Naturals already issued their

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recall.
They, you know, the FDA

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contacted them, they issued
their voluntary recall at this

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point to go back and test and
say, no, no, no, no, this was

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all wrong.
While US like in the healthy pet

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food space are like, yes, we
want you to do this because we

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want to prove that raw food is
quote UN quote safe.

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The reality is that this pet
parent lost her cat.

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And there's, there's a whole lot
of legal stuff in the background

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that of course we may never
know.

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We may never know if they do or
don't test any.

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And so there have been two other
recalls since then that I want

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to acknowledge because one of
them is not for avian influenza.

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And I think it's being wrapped
up.

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Like I think a lot of people
think that it's for H5 N 1 and

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it's not open Farm issued a huge
recall for a ton of lots of food

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for having plastic
contamination, not avian

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influenza.
But I think because it's in the

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timeline, everybody's like, Oh
my gosh.

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Another.
Another recall.

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Yeah.
It is not.

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It's for plastic contamination.
However, there was one other

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recall in California and LA
County for avian influenza in a

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raw food that was being sold
locally at.

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Farmers market?
Yep.

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Which to me has so much more
possibility of having

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contamination because they're
not necessarily being made

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there.
These foods may not be made in

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commercial kitchens using all of
the when when we think and I'm

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not saying that I don't love and
support and appreciate these mom

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and pops doing this kind of
thing, but I can see where

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contamination.
The risk might be higher.

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Yeah, risk might, might be
higher.

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So again, that started out with
one cat and then the other cats

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in the household.
I think it's a total of 6 cats

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all in one household.
So I again, I'm so, so, so sorry

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to the those cats and pet
parents who are dealing with

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this.
I, I, it's terrible.

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I hate it and I'm so sorry.
So, so sorry.

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The other thing that I want to
address is that raw milk is

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being thrown into the mix here.
And I hate that so much because

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I did so much.
I like, I researched and I

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researched and I researched and
the only reason I can find the

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raw milk would be thrown into
this mix is if it is cross

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contaminated.
So somebody on the farm handling

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an infected bird, not properly
washing up and then handling the

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raw dairy, that's kind of
situations.

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Because they did.
They tested positive for avian.

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That could be.
Influenza.

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But that could happen with
literally anything, correct?

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So why they're focusing on the
raw milk?

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And it's just, it's as of today,
raw farm on November 24th, 2024

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and raw milk.
So raw milk from raw farm and

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raw milk from Valley Milk simply
bottled.

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And that was on December 14th.
Yeah.

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And so again, it's usually on
farms that have both the dairy

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cattle and bird flocks that
there's this cross contamination

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potential happening.
So yeah.

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And then somebody said the issue
is that there are so many sub

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viruses that dogs can be
carries.

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That's absolutely true.
We talked about that at the

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beginning.
The risk to dogs is less with

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this particular.
Strain Fatality.

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Yes, because they because of the
difference in receptors.

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We don't, we don't want anybody
to get sick.

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But obviously if cats are at
more risk for more really,

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really serious illness, then we
want to make sure everybody

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knows.
And especially if you do like

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like the canine dietitian saying
like because dogs can be

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carriers.
If you have an indoor cat but

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your dog is outside, yes, being
exposed.

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Then they.
Exactly factor, right.

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So yes, absolutely.
Yes, because of the

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environmental contamination.
And it's in there, it's in it's

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in the birds droppings too,
right.

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So like, yes, all they have to
do is walk on an infected birds

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dropping and now it's in your
house, right?

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Like that really is like that's,
that's one of those things where

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where you live and how active
the cases are really does

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influence, you know, your kind
of your behavior choices and

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your and your lifestyle.
Yeah, or even walking through a

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puddle that an infected bird was
like bathed in, like, yeah,

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exactly.
Like, yeah.

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So it's it's again, that's why
they call it highly pathogenic,

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because it is very, very highly
contagious.

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OK, so mitigation, mitigation.
There are we know to be true

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that cooking it, cooking the
food is going to mitigate the

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risk of the virus.
That is true of so many things,

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so many viruses.
And right now that is the

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recommendation.
The, the biggest overarching

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recommendation is to cook the
food to cook the poultry

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specifically.
I I know there are some raw

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foods that can be gently cooked
and there are some that cannot

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because the bone fragments are
too large so.

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No it's not being did you see
the comment that made me laugh?

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Is the raw milk being
contaminated by dairy cows with

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bird flu?
Probably not.

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It's probably a cross
contamination of dairy cows.

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And chickens, yeah, there were
some cattle, I think it started

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in Texas, some cattle that did
become infected with this

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particular strain.
But that just doesn't seem to be

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a the biggest concern right now.
The biggest concern is with the

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from birds to cat, yeah, the
biggest concern is cross

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contamination and then cats
eating the raw poultry that

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that's the if it's infected, so.
The milk is probably being

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infected by somebody who handled
a sick bird because they have

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flocks.
This is affecting agricultural

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flocks a lot, right?
Because they're obviously held

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in close proximity.
Even if you have a backyard

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flock, you keep them all
together, right?

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So there is there is that
closeness that that's why birds

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can get so sick so quickly.
And so many viruses go through

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so many flocks because they are
kept in close proximity.

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So they're literally just
changing.

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And then if somebody who's
handling both or somebody who's

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literally walking from one part
of that farm to another bringing

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a contaminated like feces on
their on their shoes is going to

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be introducing it to either the
milk, either the final product

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or the cow, right.
Like it does.

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We don't really know, Yeah.
Well and although well we just

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said like Kara said as well
there yes, some cows have

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presented with or have been
tested and found positive with a

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string of this avian influenza
so. 200 different mammals.

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It's been counted the past.
Ten months.

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It's it.
It can infect all kinds of.

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Different.
Mammals, which is crazy.

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Which also is so OK Cooking is
what most recommendations are at

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this point.
I did find that HPP high

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pressure processing should be
able to kill the virus if the

454
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,200
pressure is high enough, so 500
MPA.

455
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,480
I'm not an HPP specialist but
whatever it I mean that's going

456
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,960
to be like.
The pressure is generally

457
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,160
required to ensure viral
inactivation and similar

458
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,320
viruses.
So HPP should because it's going

459
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,360
to again break that like
encapsulation that that the

460
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,960
virus is living.
Protected.

461
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,720
Protected, yes, thank you there.
There was one study that showed

462
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:11,400
that fermentation could also
inactivate the virus if it was,

463
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,720
if they dropped, if the pH was
between 3.5 and 4 for at least

464
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,000
24 to 48 hours.
So both with fermentation and

465
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,920
with HPP, it's not just like a
blanket do HPP or do

466
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:30,400
fermentation like there are.
There aren't really regulation

467
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:36,120
in the pet food industry on how
to do fermentation or how to do

468
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,240
HPP processing.
As far as so for like the

469
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,840
fermentation, the amount of
time, the pH, the temperature,

470
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,160
all of that isn't regulated so
the the environment has to be

471
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,640
right.
Same with HPPP, the amount of

472
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,240
pressure and for how long is not
regulated.

473
00:30:55,440 --> 00:31:01,400
So one company may do HPP very
differently from the next

474
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:08,000
company that does HPP.
So yes, both of these processes

475
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,320
can inactivate the virus, but
that doesn't necessarily mean

476
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,360
that the brand that you're
purchasing it has met the

477
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,640
requirements to inactivate.
This is what you that makes

478
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,960
sense, reach out to the brand.
This is when you reach out to

479
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,600
the brand and you ask them, is
your process going to kill this

480
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,800
virus?
And, and if so, can you tell me

481
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,480
more details?
Because you want to know the

482
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,480
details.
You want to know how they came

483
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,360
to the conclusion that it is
safe And based on what research?

484
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,280
Because I mean, I, I, I trust
brands, but at the same time, I

485
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,400
also know that, you know, it's a
very poor business decision to

486
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,160
tell people, no, it's not safe.
Don't feed it without recalling.

487
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,600
It.
So you know, they need to, they

488
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,800
need to back up whatever
statement they make.

489
00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:00,000
That's true.
And one of the things that I was

490
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,800
having a hard time finding is
testing specifically for this

491
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:10,240
specific strain of virus.
So what I was finding is that we

492
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,400
what we know to be true in
similar strains of viruses.

493
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:19,520
And I and I know quite a few raw
food brands that have posted

494
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,680
that, you know, they are working
to find out how do we how do we

495
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,440
get to the point where we can
test specifically for this

496
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,200
virus?
It's just, it's not even a new

497
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,320
virus, but it's a new problem
for the pet food world to have

498
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,720
to deal with is is kind of where
I think we're at with that.

499
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,680
So wow, that actually went a lot
quicker than I thought it was

500
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,360
going to going to go.
I have started started listening

501
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:59,800
to a video that Doctor Connor
Brady did and this is it.

502
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,640
In no way political at all.
If you listen to his video,

503
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,360
which I will post the link for
after we get off of this call,

504
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,120
it is not at all political.
It is 100% about the data, about

505
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,880
the studies that have come out
since 2020.

506
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,520
And he is making a huge
correlation between the pandemic

507
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,400
that we just went through and
what we're starting to see with

508
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,640
bird flu right now.
And what I will say is that in

509
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:38,040
July of 2024, Moderna was
awarded $176,000,000 to develop

510
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,040
a pre pandemic NRNA vaccine for
H5 N 1.

511
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,520
So again, I'm not getting
political at all here, but what

512
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:52,560
I am saying is that there is a
lot of money to be made in fear.

513
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,280
Oh, always, yeah.
And so I don't want people to

514
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,320
make decisions based in fear.
I want people to do the

515
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,760
research, go, I mean, don't even
listen to me, go behind me.

516
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,159
Do the research, find the study,
find what's actually going on,

517
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:16,480
contact your specific brands of
foods that you're feeding and

518
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:23,520
find out what they're doing.
Sourcing is, to me better than

519
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,320
any anything else we could be.
Like whether you're talking

520
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,080
about cooking the food, whether
you want to go down the

521
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,560
fermentation or the HPP rabbit
hole, whatever you want to do,

522
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,280
sourcing is the biggest
component in this whole thing.

523
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,560
So trusting the brand of food
that you're purchasing to be

524
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:46,480
sourcing from farms that are
clean, that are testing their

525
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:52,360
flocks, that are raising their
animals in a more natural way

526
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,600
that are, that is where I
really, really, really want you

527
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:01,960
to spend more, more of your time
than anything instead of in fear

528
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,280
in actually knowing what you're
feeding to your pet.

529
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,240
Because yes, any, any poultry
for human consumption in the

530
00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:14,280
United States right now is
supposed to be testing for this

531
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,840
virus.
But we also know that what you

532
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,720
buy at the grocery store has
allowable levels of all sorts of

533
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,640
things.
Raw pet food, by the way, pet

534
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,760
food in general has a 0
tolerance.

535
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,840
They are not supposed to have
any pathogenic bacteria

536
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,800
whatsoever.
What you buy at the grocery

537
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,120
store has allowable levels.
That doesn't necessarily mean

538
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,560
that on a normal day without a
pandemic going on, that within a

539
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,200
healthy dog or cat that they
wouldn't be able to handle that

540
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,120
pathogenic bacteria.
They should be able to.

541
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,600
So I'm not saying don't, don't
feed grocery store meat, but

542
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,160
what I am saying is that know
the difference, know the

543
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,640
difference in the quality of the
food that you're feeding to your

544
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,280
pet so that, you know, if you
need to be at a heightened level

545
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,720
of awareness of what you're
feeding.

546
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,160
Yeah, you.
Have a puppy, You have a senior,

547
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,120
you have a sick, compromised,
immunocompromised pet.

548
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,880
Do you have to be extra careful
than you would with you, your

549
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:25,080
adult happy, healthy pet, right?
And also, I feel like knowing

550
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,640
that you can kind of change
things, don't be stuck on

551
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,760
something like if you have been
doing something a certain way,

552
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,440
maybe now is a good opportunity
to try something different, try

553
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,520
something new, transition out of
something that could be risky

554
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,520
and just kind of play see it
play out instead of like taking

555
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,240
the risk of continuing to feed
something that is borderline a

556
00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:52,040
risk.
There are other options out

557
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,920
there.
And there right now the focus is

558
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:59,880
on raw milk and obviously
poultry where this is, you know,

559
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,840
it's spread so quickly in avian
species.

560
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,240
So just maybe start to feed
something different for a while

561
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,400
and keep an an eye out and an
ear out for any other

562
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,320
developments, right?
Because if we had told you that

563
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,400
there was going to be avian flu
in raw milk, you'd be like,

564
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,800
how'd that happen, right?
But like now we know that that's

565
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,280
there and we know that 200
different mammals have been

566
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,480
infected.
So it's not, you know, just

567
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,680
poultry.
So now, if you stay abreast of

568
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,680
the situation, then you know how
it progresses because it's only

569
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,720
going to progress, right?
It's only going to get more

570
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:36,000
rampant.
This is a highly contagious

571
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:43,440
virus that is in 50 states
already, mostly in birds.

572
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,520
Some places have confirmed cases
of mammals, right?

573
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,280
We've already lost at least one
cat, pet cat in the US.

574
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:59,080
This is only going to get more
rampant, especially if there is

575
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,640
some kind of vaccine in
development.

576
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,200
Then obviously they wouldn't be.
I'll play devil's advocate like

577
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,880
they're not going to invest in a
virus that's not real, right,

578
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,640
That doesn't exist because
nobody's going to get that.

579
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:16,760
But also the media is they're
going to pay to promote this

580
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,760
vaccine that is meant to keep
you safe from something that is

581
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,000
real, right?
So like, I'll do both sides.

582
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,760
Yeah, your Moderna is going to
develop the vaccine for

583
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,000
something that is real and
they're going to make you afraid

584
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000
of getting it so that you bought
get the vaccine.

585
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,840
And then also the they wouldn't
have gone into development of

586
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,160
this vaccine if this virus
wasn't actually highly

587
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,120
contagious, right?
There are 1,000,000 viruses they

588
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,800
could have focused on why this
one, right?

589
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,360
So like, clearly there is
something here, this is highly

590
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,400
contagious.
Clearly there is something here

591
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,800
where it's going to different
species, where it's going to

592
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,000
different mammals.
We are mammals where we can get

593
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:58,120
sick so far because we as humans
don't eat raw chicken.

594
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:04,440
Yeah, we're probably safer than
the outdoor cat that's hunting

595
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,960
birds outside, right?
Like, that's really where it

596
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,800
comes down to our risk factors
are lower.

597
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,240
But that doesn't mean that it
won't get to the point where we

598
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,920
are directly at risk.
It just we don't know that.

599
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,920
Right.
So knowing that this is starting

600
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,680
here and it's going to get
worse, not better, because I

601
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,600
think we can both agree it's not
going to get better.

602
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,400
I mean, nobody stands to make a
profit if it gets better on its

603
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,360
own.
Correct SO.

604
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,960
We need to start taking steps
now to prevent future problems.

605
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:40,000
But the reality is, and this is
completely my opinion, the

606
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,080
reality is that it might get
worse before it gets better, but

607
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,760
it will get better without.
Yes.

608
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:49,520
That's.
Really.

609
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,800
You just said yes without what
you just said yes.

610
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,280
Without medical intervention.
And the reason I believe that is

611
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:01,720
because of what we did see in
the last pandemic and the

612
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:05,360
numbers and the statistics there
as.

613
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,240
And just the way the way viruses
work, right?

614
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,720
Like that's literally how they.
Work.

615
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:17,560
Yeah, and a virus will very
quickly mutate and change to be

616
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,600
able to live because that is its
only goal.

617
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:29,400
And with cats dying so quickly
that they're they're not able to

618
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,040
do that.
They can't.

619
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,920
They can't replicate.
Yeah, I mean it.

620
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,840
Kills something so.
Quickly it's it's why we saw the

621
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:44,240
C word, the pandemic, whatever
hurt so many so quickly at the

622
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,120
beginning.
And then now it's just kind of

623
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,400
part of what we live in, right?
Because the viruses as they

624
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,800
mutate get less severe, less
impact.

625
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:59,480
We get more, I guess, survivors
of the virus, like you said,

626
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,000
right, because it wants to
survive, it wants to continue to

627
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,640
spread.
So yeah, I agree it will get

628
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,680
better.
We will see it kind of get under

629
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,200
out of control.
And I think media is going to

630
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,600
push that to like just because
if people are scared of

631
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:13,960
something, the media is going to
cover it.

632
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,160
Like that's right.
It's there's, I said this

633
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,880
before, it's like if it bleeds,
it leads in the media, right?

634
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,560
Like if people are really
talking about it, there's buzz,

635
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:25,360
there's news like it's going to
be covered more because that's

636
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,480
what the media wants to do.
They want to reach people who

637
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,280
want answers and if you are
asking the questions, they're

638
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,560
going to try to give you the
answers.

639
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,440
So it's going to get really
hyped up and you have to be

640
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,440
aware that it is something that
is not going to affect you

641
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,400
personally right now.
Potentially it could get worse.

642
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,760
It could get to the point where
we get really bad news about it.

643
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:49,680
But there are steps you can take
right now, like contacting the

644
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,600
brand manufacturer, changing the
protein that you feed, keeping,

645
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,000
maybe putting a little stop on
any raw, raw milks that you or

646
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,600
your family or your pets are
consuming.

647
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,600
For now, just keep it like kind
of like a little bit of a watch

648
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,920
as we go, but take some
precautions because I hate the

649
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,600
idea that like everywhere I look
now, it's avian flu, avian flu,

650
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,400
avian flu, avian flu.
And like, people are freaking

651
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,560
out.
Like people are free.

652
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,880
And what they're not doing is
worrying about the things that

653
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,640
really are in their environment
and really are concerns for them

654
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,000
and their family, like
norovirus, RSV, all these things

655
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,520
that like if you have a baby,
don't worry about avian flu,

656
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,080
worry about RSV, right?
Like that's speaking more

657
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,800
seriously about things.
Yes.

658
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,200
And and the other thing again
with and I'll post the link to

659
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:43,040
Doctor Connor Brady's video
because he is going through the

660
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:48,720
studies and the statistics so
much more in detail than I have

661
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:55,240
the capacity to.
Honestly, the trend we saw is

662
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,960
that medical intervention made
it worse.

663
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,320
And so that's what I really want
to like I don't again, I'm not

664
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,440
being political at all with
this, but we know, we know it

665
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,880
just happened.
It was only five years ago.

666
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,040
It wasn't that long ago.
We know it just happened and I

667
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,480
don't want to see that happen
again and I I in my opinion,

668
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,120
it's like two birds, one stone
right?

669
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,800
The FDA has had it out for raw
food forever.

670
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,440
The FDA has had it out for raw
milk forever.

671
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,200
And why not right?
Why not?

672
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,760
In my opinion, I'm.
Right.

673
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,600
No, I mean, it's, it's
definitely, it's definitely for

674
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,920
them, like I told you so, right?
Like I told you so, right.

675
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,520
It definitely is.
I think that the biggest thing

676
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,840
is I'm with you.
Medical intervention is one of

677
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,840
the things that I do last, like
when it really has to happen.

678
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,600
My first point of I mean I get.
Hit by a car?

679
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,200
I want medical intervention
first.

680
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:57,880
Well, no, I.
Mean.

681
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,600
Virus.
Yeah, I'm talking for a virus.

682
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,120
For a virus that can mutate so
quickly.

683
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,640
No, Right.
Like, we know, we we knew this.

684
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,480
We knew this prior to 2020.
But now it's in our faces.

685
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,800
Yeah.
That we it's like, please don't

686
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,160
forget again.
For me for for any virus, and I

687
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,200
have two little kids, We have
viruses in this house all the

688
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,160
time.
My poor sister has a baby who's

689
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,400
like been sick since
Thanksgiving because of all the

690
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,760
things that poor babies been
exposed to through my family.

691
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,280
But with viruses, the biggest
thing that I always do is

692
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,280
support the immune system before
you get a virus, right?

693
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,400
Like that's the biggest thing,
good food, feeding quality

694
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,160
foods, getting exercise, getting
sunlight, all those things that

695
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,520
support the immune system.
And that's something that all of

696
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,640
us as pet parents can do.
You know, it is a new year and

697
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,800
we did talk about resolutions.
Well, get out and walk your dog.

698
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,960
Don't be scared that there might
be bird droppings on the ground.

699
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,480
I mean, unless there is
literally an outbreak on your

700
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,000
street, you get that dog
walking, get that dog out in

701
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,440
nature, Make sure that you're
feeding that dog or cat the best

702
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,720
food you can afford.
Make sure that if it is a

703
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:12,560
potentially risky food, you're
talking about the sourcing of

704
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,120
that food with the manufacturer.
Contact them.

705
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,200
They are meant to answer your
questions.

706
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,880
But keep living your life and
keep prioritizing their immune

707
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,480
system and their overall health.
Get them to the veterinarian if

708
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,520
they're seniors to get some
panels done to make sure that

709
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,480
their bodies are functioning
properly.

710
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,520
You can.
Colloidal silver is something

711
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:36,200
that we use a lot in our house.
Those are, you know, remedies,

712
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,360
home remedies, natural remedies,
herbs and all sorts of things

713
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,280
exist that can help keep things
at Bay.

714
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,960
Like keep everything at Bay, not
just this particular virus.

715
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,160
Also making sure that you're
maintaining a clean home.

716
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:56,880
Wash your dog's bowls, wash your
kitchen and your sink after you

717
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,800
cook with even with poultry,
like for your family, like make

718
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,040
sure you're making good
decisions instead of panicking

719
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,320
and running out to get a vaccine
that may or may not protect you,

720
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,960
right?
Because like you said, they're

721
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,720
different strains.
So like just like the flu

722
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:13,480
vaccine, they do like the
strains they think are going to

723
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:18,000
be most active, but you might
get a different flu strain and

724
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,360
that vaccine did nothing for
you.

725
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,680
But instead, start by
maintaining your home,

726
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,280
maintaining your pets bowls,
cleaning your sink, disinfecting

727
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,360
your stuff, you know, keeping
your cat indoors.

728
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,120
Like that's a big one,
especially if you're in an area

729
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,040
in the Pacific Northwest.
If you go to the CDC, the

730
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,880
reported cases of bird flu are
so it's so much there.

731
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,120
So you an indoor outdoor cat?
Like bring them indoors?

732
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,960
And like, don't wear your shoes
in the house And like there's,

733
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:51,360
there are a lot of things I
happen to I use colloidal silver

734
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,040
as sparingly as I would any
other antibiotic.

735
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,560
I think it's amazing, but I
don't like there.

736
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,560
I, I'm very, there are a handful
of things that I'm very, very

737
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,200
cautious about talking to people
about crate training, colloidal

738
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:12,320
silver or like right there at
the top, because they can very,

739
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,720
very quickly and easily be
abused.

740
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,200
I think exactly less is.
More so, yeah, like, love it.

741
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:23,320
Have it on hand, but it's not
something that I want to be

742
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,760
using every day.
But and herbs too, like we talk

743
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,960
about herbs being super potent,
right?

744
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,520
So like you need to be dosing
them accordingly.

745
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,840
You need to be using the right
herb for the right thing.

746
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,160
Homeopathy as well.
I love homeopathy.

747
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,160
We use it a ton in my house.
But that little sugar pill is

748
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,920
potent.
So you have to make sure that

749
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,040
you're using it for the right
remedies for the right things.

750
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,440
So you know, yes, on every
remedy.

751
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,160
I'm all about it.
Garlic, yes, even for pets, yes,

752
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,040
but how much?
And you know what quality and

753
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,520
all that good stuff, you know,
so you don't want to overfeed

754
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,440
your pet anything.
And too much of anything is not

755
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,440
good.
Even the most.

756
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,000
We use colloidal silver as toned
for my son who has sleep apnea.

757
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,320
He's a mouth breather and we
spray because he gets tonsil

758
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,360
stones.
I'm only allowed to do 1 spray,

759
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,320
like the bottle says 20, but we
do it so often that we can do

760
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,080
one spray a day.
So, yeah, those kinds of things

761
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,280
you need to make sure you are
doing less is more, yeah.

762
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,400
And starting slow, ramping up,
making sure that you are keeping

763
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,720
an eye on any symptoms and any
symptoms that you think,

764
00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,760
especially if you're in an area
that has a lot of reported

765
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,920
cases.
If your pet gets sick, go to the

766
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,400
vet, right?
Like if your pet is showing

767
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,800
signs loss of appetite, you're
it's they're not eating, they're

768
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,640
not really active, they're
throwing up, they have diarrhea.

769
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,720
You can tell that there's upper
respiratory issues going on.

770
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,000
Do not wait, especially if you
are in an area where there are a

771
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,640
lot of confirmed cases,
especially if you have an indoor

772
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,480
outdoor cat, especially if you
go hiking a lot with your dog.

773
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,920
All of those things, you know,
we, we want to make sure that

774
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,160
we're remembering our personal
risk factors for all of these

775
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:05,840
things.
Yeah.

776
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:12,080
Because that to me, it makes me
crazy when I, I see coverage of

777
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,240
a situation and I'll use this,
this completely unrelated to

778
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,080
anything that we're talking
about today.

779
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,440
This was about tetanus, and this
was a family.

780
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,640
And on a farm, the kid gets, you
know, has a puncture wound.

781
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,360
The family stitches it up.
Oh wow.

782
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,360
Then the kid ends up in the
hospital for three months

783
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:44,440
because they got tetanus and now
they're using this as a sign

784
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,400
that techness is alive and well
and, and, and scary for

785
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,640
everybody. 1, I don't live on a
farm. 2, If my kid had a

786
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,240
puncture wound, I'd go to the
doctor.

787
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,360
Three, I would never stitch
anybody because I am not a

788
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,960
doctor, right?
So the risk factor that that

789
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,760
family had is a risk factor that
I would never have.

790
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:10,720
That child had that risk because
the family took that risk and

791
00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:13,840
lived in a risky area.
And that stick that he was

792
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,120
punctured with was in a risky
area that that doesn't exist for

793
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,640
me.
So when people use these, these

794
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,920
like one-size-fits-all risk
factors, like everybody is in

795
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,800
danger, everybody's going to
die, everybody's cat's going to

796
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,080
get sick.
That makes me think, no, because

797
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,880
we don't all live in the same
home, in the same area, in the

798
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,760
same house.
We don't have the same cat.

799
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,920
You know my cat is 2, the cat,
you know the cat down the street

800
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,480
who's 21.
Definitely different risk

801
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,600
factors, right?
So remember that you all can

802
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,840
only control your risk factor.
What you feed, how you feed it,

803
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,840
when you feed it, how you clean,
where you go out, where you hang

804
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,880
out, where your dog is, how long
it's been since their last

805
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,680
dental, how long it's been since
their last vet visit.

806
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,080
And you know, senior panel,
whatever it is that gives you

807
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,200
more information than anything
you're going to get on the

808
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,200
media.
Like Please remember that.

809
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,920
And you can control.
There's a lot you can control.

810
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:15,440
There is, and I, I mean, me
personally, my cats are 15 and

811
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:24,040
16 and they don't really eat raw
poultry anyway.

812
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:31,720
Most of what they eat raw is
like rabbit and duck and pork,

813
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:37,040
things like that, some beef.
So I don't anticipate making any

814
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,000
huge changes in, in my
household.

815
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:43,920
But if you are, because I know a
lot of cats do prefer, you know,

816
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,160
mine loves chicken, mine loves
chicken.

817
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:52,040
So I mean, if it, if my cats
were eating raw chicken, I think

818
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:57,760
out of an abundance of caution,
I, if, if I, if I were feeding a

819
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:03,840
brand that I didn't know, if I,
if I were on the fence of having

820
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:11,120
faith in their sourcing, I would
see if it's something that I can

821
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,320
cook.
If, if they're using eggshell

822
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,000
powder, you can cook it, gently
cook it.

823
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,760
If they, you know, double,
triple grind the bone, you can

824
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:25,720
gently cook it or like you said
earlier, switch to another

825
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:28,040
protein.
If they're only going to eat

826
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:32,800
meat, poultry, then I might
actually switch to cooking the

827
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:39,440
meat, meat and organ meat and
then using another animal for

828
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,520
bone or doing an egg shell or
something like that.

829
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:47,160
Like there are things we can do
to make adjustments if we feel

830
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,560
like we need to make
adjustments.

831
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:55,960
And obviously the easiest is
just to switch proteins or

832
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,800
switch to something that is
gently cooked for the time

833
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,160
being, if that's what you're
going to, you know, feel more

834
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:07,240
comfortable doing because there
are, there are commercially

835
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,720
available gently cooked foods
out there that are pretty,

836
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,560
pretty darn good quality.
I mean, a lot of them do have

837
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,920
higher carbohydrate content than
than what you're going to find

838
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,800
in a raw or freeze dried food.
Generally speaking, most freeze

839
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,480
dried foods that I know of are
HPP.

840
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,080
There may be some that aren't
here in the United States.

841
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:33,320
Again, what I'm talking about,
but I did see that Diane was

842
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,440
asking is the disease in the UKI
don't know the specifics about

843
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,960
the statistics in the UK, but I
do know that it is worldwide

844
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:47,680
that A5 in one has been found
all over the world.

845
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,880
Julie says.
I just lost my 23 year old

846
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,480
Kitty.
I saw that Julie, I'm so sorry.

847
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,320
I'm not on Facebook very much
anymore, and honestly, I think

848
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:02,800
I've decided in 2025 I'm done.
But anyway, she thrived on raw

849
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,040
and haunted in her younger days
until age 18.

850
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,360
No chemicals on our little farm.
She lived a great life.

851
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,160
I miss her. 23 years just wasn't
long enough.

852
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:15,480
That's so sweet.
And I'm sure she had such an

853
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,280
amazing, yeah, such an amazing
life.

854
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,560
Julie, I am sure you were so
excited for tomorrow.

855
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,120
By the way, we've got just a few
minutes left tomorrow.

856
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,520
Tickets go on sale for The More
You know Pet Wellness Summit in

857
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,240
Williamsburg, VA.
And Amanda is going to be on my

858
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,560
podcast tomorrow talking about
it.

859
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,280
I actually am publishing it
earlier in the day than I

860
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:42,240
normally do at like. 6:00 AM
Because people can go.

861
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,480
People can, yeah.
So people can listen because

862
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,880
tickets are going to go on sale
like first thing in the morning

863
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:54,320
East Coast time and don't forget
to get I'm sure, I'm sure Amanda

864
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,240
is like here's your ticket now
I'm just kidding cuz Julie is

865
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:02,080
such a good customer at a
nautical dog.

866
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,400
But yeah, I.
Really, she ate a lot of raw

867
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:07,600
chicken.
And you know what?

868
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,920
My cat loves chicken.
We don't do raw here.

869
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:16,240
If we do raw, it's it's freeze
dried raw from Green Juju or I

870
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,560
just bought some other I got
some other stuff.

871
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,360
I won it.
Remind me the name of it.

872
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,040
You got, did you get Steve's?
Steve's.

873
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,720
Yeah, you got Steve's.
Is that what Steve's so?

874
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,240
Yeah, Yeah, I think so.
So I just, I want a shopping

875
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:36,840
spree at at only Natural Pet and
it was great.

876
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:41,160
And so we don't do that because
I have two little kids and I

877
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:44,480
don't trust them not to touch
the pet bowls and nuts to get

878
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,880
into the things and stuff.
So like, we don't do raw

879
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,760
poultry, but I bet you my cat
would love it.

880
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:54,440
And I think it's, it's really
sad that like something that our

881
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,440
cats, you know, love is, is
dangerous.

882
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,320
But I personally am not as
concerned for raw feeders as I

883
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,560
am for indoor outdoor cat
owners.

884
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,080
Like that's really where my fear
goes to because I think, and I

885
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,040
know that there are, there are,
yeah, you're going to have to

886
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,720
fight for your ticket like
everybody else.

887
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:18,760
That's awesome.
So I, I will say that like most

888
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,800
raw feeders I know are so, so
incredibly responsible and so

889
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:30,320
educated and so aware of
sourcing and they're asking all

890
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,800
the right questions.
So when I see these recalls and

891
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,360
stuff, like, I worry more about
the people who are like, their

892
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,680
orders are on like, you know,
subscription and they just get

893
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,640
whatever.
And they didn't even know, you

894
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,040
know what I mean?
Like she's still feeding raw

895
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:46,240
chicken.
Savage cat.

896
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,560
Yeah.
Those are my concern is more so

897
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,000
for the people who are
completely unaware of what's

898
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,600
happening, how it's a because
they hear bird flu, they don't

899
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,480
think anything about the cat.
They don't think anything about

900
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,680
how it affects humans, right,
because they think just birds,

901
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:02,960
birds are dying.
That's what people are thinking.

902
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,040
So share this with people so
that people know talk to people

903
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,840
about that, you know who are pet
lovers, Let them know what's

904
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,280
happening.
Remind you know your pet.

905
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,040
If you have a pet sitter, dog
Walker, you know, ask them to

906
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,760
take their shoes off or ask them
to remind them to wash their

907
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,200
hands.
They should be doing that.

908
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,400
Like all of the pet sitters I
work with are super

909
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,120
professional.
They're taking care between

910
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,640
visits.
They're a lot of them will wear

911
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,240
shoe covers if you provide them.
If you're scared that's and, or

912
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,800
somewhere where bird flu is
really rampant, ask them to do

913
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,880
that.
You know, get creative about how

914
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,200
you protect your little home and
educate your friends.

915
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,040
Because that's really where I
feel like it's most dangerous is

916
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:46,000
like if you live somewhere where
it's really prevalent, you may

917
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,240
not even know that your cat's
being exposed, exposed.

918
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,640
And it's not through the food.
Like I'm not worried about food.

919
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:53,040
I'm worried more about
environment.

920
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,120
Yeah, I actually am too.
I just know that so many people

921
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,160
are concerned about the food
because that's where the media

922
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,800
is.
Exactly, and I do think it is so

923
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:09,160
much more the environment, but
also the environment of where

924
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,160
the food you're feeding is
coming from, which is why it is

925
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,720
so important to.
Yes, but even for us, this is

926
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,120
this is a really good reminder
for us as consumers, even for

927
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,720
human grade things, right?
Like when we go to stores, like

928
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:28,240
This is why we need to be
concerned about our food supply.

929
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,680
This is why we need to be
concerned about factory farming.

930
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:36,080
This is why we need to be
really, really careful with

931
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,880
where we spend our money and who
we support and how we source our

932
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,760
food for our families.
Because this is not, this is

933
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,760
this is all intermingled.
The agriculture is all

934
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:48,760
intermingled.
It's not just pets, it's not

935
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,720
just humans, it's all of it.
And for now we're hearing the

936
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,200
recalls in the pet foods.
I mean, who knows what's coming

937
00:58:56,200 --> 00:59:00,800
down the line.
Well, yeah, and I even got I

938
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,960
went down the rabbit hole of
like so much of our poultry in

939
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,760
the United States is shipped to
China for processing and then

940
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:15,480
shipped back here for sale
knowing that this.

941
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,520
Well, the first case that I
could find that it was highly

942
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,920
pathogenic was in China.
The first human case that I

943
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:29,120
could find was in Hong Kong.
So and they have they they can

944
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,080
don't, they don't always, but
certain areas in China they

945
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,280
actually require their birds are
vaccinated.

946
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,920
So that was my like, I went down
the rabbit hole of like, OK,

947
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:45,160
well, if an American farm is
shipping poultry to China to be

948
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,280
processed, are they going to
require vaccine?

949
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,320
Like I went down the radical.
Currently that's not the case.

950
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,160
They're not requiring.
Alexa.

951
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:59,520
Or poultry to be vaccinated.
But I mean, there's so much

952
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,000
about our food supply and our
food system that I don't even

953
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,400
know to be able to tell you.
About No, we don't.

954
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:06,960
These are things.
We don't want to know.

955
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,360
Like we don't want to know.
It's disgusting.

956
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,120
It's scary.
I mean, it makes you not want to

957
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,040
eat any kind of protein,
especially like that.

958
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:18,600
You haven't, you know, gotten
down the street at a ranch or

959
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,680
something that's nearby.
Nor and Flo Con is asking why is

960
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,160
it more dangerous for cats?
If you joined later in the

961
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,480
conversation, it's because cats
have a receptor that is similar

962
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,120
to birds and that it basically
allows the virus to do more

963
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,560
damage for lack of a better
explanation.

964
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:41,160
So if it transmits to them, but
it also it transmits to

965
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,560
everybody, but it hurts them
more like it's proves more fatal

966
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:49,600
in cats.
So yeah, this is dog

967
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,120
contracting.
I mean, I depending on where you

968
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,840
look, it's up to, I mean, some
places are saying it's 100%

969
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,040
fatality in cats.
I don't, I'm unclear on that.

970
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,720
And I think maybe we are unclear
on that because it's all

971
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:08,160
unfolding right now, right?
Yeah.

972
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,720
Yeah.
So basically dogs don't have

973
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,480
that receptor.
So it doesn't like kind of so it

974
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,360
doesn't fuel it the fire as
easily in a in a dog as it does

975
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,640
in a cat or even in a human
right like.

976
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:26,880
Yeah.
So in so birds have it infects

977
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,880
the H5 N one virus, infects
cells by binding to A23 links

978
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,680
salic acid receptors which are
abundant in the respiratory and

979
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:41,360
intestinal tracts of birds.
They are also present in some

980
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,720
mammals including cats.
The cat's respiratory system

981
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:51,320
have these A23 linked cialic
acid receptors making them

982
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:57,600
exceptionally susceptible.
Dogs on the other hand have more

983
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:04,560
A26 cialic acid receptors.
So they are still at risk, it's

984
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,880
just not as severe of a risk.
It's just like a fire.

985
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,240
It's like a little match that
kind of in a dog will dwindle a

986
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:15,320
little bit and then in a cat
will ignite.

987
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,320
And that's really what that's
why we need to be so aware of

988
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:21,640
what species we have.
They're individual risk factors

989
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,120
and we may not know, you know,
everything we like you said,

990
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,280
it's, it's unfolding.
We don't know everything we need

991
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:28,840
to know.
We don't.

992
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:34,760
And I feel like once once it
starts impacting our food supply

993
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:39,240
more, especially humans, then
it, that's when it gets more

994
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,640
attention, right?
Like that's when it becomes more

995
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,400
more of an issue and that's when
people get more interested.

996
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,440
But by then it's often too late,
right?

997
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:50,680
Like the damage is really spread
by.

998
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,800
That and so I said that I was
going to share something that

999
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,720
Doctor Judy Morgan posted and
I'm trying to find it here.

1000
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,800
And you were going to share the
the conversation from the

1001
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,800
doctor?
Doctor Colin.

1002
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,720
Doctor Connor Brady.
Yeah, he's Connor Brady.

1003
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:13,560
So he, I'm going to post that.
So I have a graph.

1004
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:18,400
Well, I have like a carousel of
graphics to post when we get

1005
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,960
off.
And when I share that to my

1006
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,240
stories, I'll also include the
link to to Doctor Connor Brady's

1007
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:32,080
video, which I'm still watching.
But he is breaking down what

1008
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:38,600
happened and in the last
pandemic and why we're already

1009
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:40,440
seeing correlation.
And we need to take the

1010
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,800
information that we learned
basically from the last pandemic

1011
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:50,960
and apply it now and again just
for anybody who is just joining.

1012
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:58,280
In July 2024, Moderna was
awarded $176,000,000 to develop

1013
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:03,080
a pre pandemic mRNA H5 avian flu
vaccine.

1014
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,640
So I say that again because this
is what Doctor Judy Morgan

1015
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,160
posted and she actually reposted
this from one of her friends.

1016
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:15,680
But it says in the upcoming
weeks and months, the media will

1017
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,520
create a narrative about the
dangers of bird flu.

1018
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:25,520
Here are the facts about Aldens
AUDENZ, the vaccine they've

1019
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:30,000
prepared for bird flu.
It is made using the kidney cell

1020
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,440
line of a dog, a Cocker spaniel
to be exact.

1021
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:39,760
This cell line is called Maiden
Darby Canine Kidney MDCK cells.

1022
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,600
The vaccine insert specifically
states that MDCK cell protein

1023
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:50,760
and MDCKDNA, which is dog kidney
DNA, is found inside of each

1024
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,720
vaccine.
This vaccine also contains

1025
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,560
thimerosal, a mercury derivative
and very toxic.

1026
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:03,640
It also contains polysorbate 80,
which is carcinogenic and is

1027
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:07,240
known to increase in the
incidence of Crohn's disease.

1028
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:12,560
It also contains beta propion
lactone.

1029
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:21,280
BPL is shown to be highly
tumorigenic, genotoxic and

1030
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,920
carcinogenic and experimental
animals.

1031
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:28,680
That's just the ingredients.
As for the trials, they, there

1032
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:34,880
were many serious adverse
effects or SA ES and fatalities.

1033
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,760
So, and the reason that again,
the reason I'm sharing that is

1034
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:47,000
because I truly believe that
while yes, we do need to be

1035
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,520
aware, we may even want to
change some of the things that

1036
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:55,160
we are doing for our pets
because it is very highly

1037
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,680
contagious and fatal in cats
specifically.

1038
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:04,520
Don't, don't, please, please,
please don't fall for the fear

1039
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:10,920
and rushed into getting or
accepting any animal species,

1040
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:15,520
including the chickens and other
poultry that we raise for food

1041
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:21,160
in the United States to get a
vaccine like this that could

1042
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:27,680
potentially cause more damage
than again, we'd go back to the

1043
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:33,200
whole virus that is mutate very
quickly.

1044
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:38,680
And when we introduce a vaccine
in the middle of a pandemic, it

1045
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,200
doesn't work out the way they
say it's going to work.

1046
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,880
Out Well, and here we are.
We have a couple comments.

1047
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,360
We'll wrap with these.
But so my friend keeps chickens

1048
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,040
and walks to my front door.
Should I be worried that he's

1049
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,560
carrying the virus on his shoes?
I mean, no, if there's a virus,

1050
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,760
it's going to be in your
vicinity anyway.

1051
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:00,400
Like that particular friend is
no more risk than, you know, the

1052
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,200
other neighbor because wild
birds are the ones who are

1053
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,840
spreading this in their, you
know, in their droppings too.

1054
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,640
So unless your friend has
chickens with confirmed avian

1055
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,880
flu, I wouldn't treat him any
differently than any other

1056
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,200
friend, to be honest with you.
But yes, you know, your friends

1057
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,600
with the chickens, anybody who
raises chickens, just, you know,

1058
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,680
make sure that there's no wild
bird droppings falling in their,

1059
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:25,560
you know, in their coop or
anything like that.

1060
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,520
Because that really is
especially again if you're

1061
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,680
somewhere and I think Diane, you
had asked about the UK and there

1062
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,200
are confirmation there are
confirmed cases mostly in

1063
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:43,440
agricultural, you know, chicken
processing, raising plants and

1064
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,760
farms.
So it's mostly agricultural.

1065
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,720
And then this is Noor.
And Flocon says This is why I

1066
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,360
don't believe this BS about the
disease.

1067
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,600
We have to stop being paranoic.
Absolutely.

1068
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,240
That's one of the things that's
so important for me is to not

1069
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,720
make anybody paranoid about
anything because stress is

1070
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,840
actually the worst thing we can
do for ourselves.

1071
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:07,080
Our pets feed off of that energy
and they don't want anything

1072
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:08,880
like that, you know, to be in
their home.

1073
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:12,240
They want, we want our homes to
be like this beautiful sanctuary

1074
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:17,359
where we can feel safe.
So if you just do the regular

1075
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,560
stuff that you know is right to
do, wash your bowls, you know,

1076
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,640
clean up properly after
processing or, you know, make

1077
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,600
cooking raw meat for yourself or
your family, you know, make good

1078
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,439
decisions about what food you're
feeding yourself, your family,

1079
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:33,240
your pets, you're going to be
just fine.

1080
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:34,960
The chances are you're going to
be just fine.

1081
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:39,319
And obviously, if you have, you
know, you should for food

1082
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:42,520
recalls and this should be
global is if you purchase

1083
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,200
something, they should e-mail
you, you know, especially if you

1084
01:08:46,439 --> 01:08:49,319
use something like chewy
sprouts.

1085
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:55,000
So I just got a recall for some
granola balls that I give my

1086
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,880
kids and I got from Whole food.
I got an e-mail from Sprouts,

1087
01:08:57,880 --> 01:08:59,200
from Whole Foods and from
Target.

1088
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,359
So in the past year I bought
them in all those places.

1089
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:04,359
So a lot of these places will
e-mail you.

1090
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:07,359
So keeping an eye on stuff,
making sure that you're on, you

1091
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:11,240
know, if you purchase always
from let's say Green Juju, get

1092
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,960
on their mailing list, you know,
they have an e-mail list, get on

1093
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,600
their e-mail list.
That way you got an e-mail if

1094
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,359
they have to communicate
anything with you, just be

1095
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:22,160
smart.
Don't, don't be paranoic.

1096
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:25,120
Absolutely not because it's not
worth it unless you live

1097
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:28,000
somewhere where your risk
factor, you have determined that

1098
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,319
your risk factor for this
particular virus or any virus is

1099
01:09:31,319 --> 01:09:34,520
high, then you know, you look at
other things that you can do.

1100
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,279
But like, we're both in Texas
where it's really not that

1101
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:40,880
prevalent.
So the Northwest a lot more.

1102
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,960
I I am continuing to drink raw
milk.

1103
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:48,439
I'm not concerned.
I mean, I understand if somebody

1104
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:52,760
else is right and that is
completely up to you, but I am

1105
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:56,280
continuing to drink raw milk.
Because you've assessed your

1106
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,600
risk factor and you don't feel
that it is necessary to make any

1107
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,160
changes.
And that's exactly what we want

1108
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,440
for like that's why we do this
is so that we can be like, this

1109
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:07,800
is what we know.
You do what works for you and

1110
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,040
your family.
Like never.

1111
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,480
You're going to hear Jessica
being like, you better stop

1112
01:10:11,480 --> 01:10:14,760
doing this.
And I'm, you know, Jessica and I

1113
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,640
don't raise our pets the same
way.

1114
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,360
We don't feed our pets the same
way, but we keep each other

1115
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,440
informed.
Like I have been feeding a

1116
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:24,560
particular brand that she saw on
a recall and she texted it to me

1117
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,760
being like, hey, like they're on
a recall list.

1118
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,840
I hadn't been feeding them for a
little bit, but she kept an eye

1119
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,120
on it for me just like I would
for her.

1120
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,880
Because at the end of the day,
you have to do it works for your

1121
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,400
family and living in fear is not
going to work for any family,

1122
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,520
like at all.
I mean, I remember when I became

1123
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:44,480
a first time mom and I was so
scared of every virus, every

1124
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:47,360
virus.
Like, yeah, I was like, spraying

1125
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,320
everybody's hands with hand
sanitizer, I think.

1126
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,840
I think my mom got like a flu
shot before coming, which I

1127
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,640
never asked her to do.
But she was also super paranoid

1128
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,320
about making my kids sick and
all this stuff.

1129
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:04,000
And now I'm like, they're seven
and four and it is impossible to

1130
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:09,720
protect them from every virus
when my friends are like, you

1131
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,560
know, you want to get together.
I don't know.

1132
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,040
One has boogers.
We're like, they all have

1133
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:15,640
boogers.
Like, I mean, let's just get

1134
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,000
together anyway, right?
Because the social aspect of

1135
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,640
getting together is so good for
them.

1136
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,160
And we're outside in the park,
they're playing, they're being

1137
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,920
active.
So the boogers not really on my

1138
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,200
radar anymore, right.
When they were little, of

1139
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,680
course, when they're tiny under
a year, you and they have a very

1140
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,600
immature immune system.
Yeah, you have to take more

1141
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,560
care.
And just like your puppies and

1142
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,480
your senior pets, you're going
or kittens, you're going to have

1143
01:11:37,480 --> 01:11:39,920
to take a little more care when
they're certain ages.

1144
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,480
But after a while, you just have
to be realistic that viruses

1145
01:11:43,480 --> 01:11:48,040
exist in our environment,
bacterias everywhere, and just

1146
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,600
do your best to keep your house
as clean as you can and keep

1147
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:54,560
your pets as healthy as you can,
and everything else will fall

1148
01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:57,000
into place.
Absolutely.

1149
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:01,040
And thank you all so much for
all of your kind, lovely words.

1150
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:02,560
Julie.
I'll see you in July.

1151
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:07,240
And if it's not, if you're not
going to be here during Super

1152
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:10,280
Zoo, then let me know.
Everybody loves.

1153
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,240
Everybody loves Jessica's new
hair.

1154
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:16,560
Thank you.
So let's all take a moment to

1155
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:21,360
admire Jessica's new do, new new
year, new me, Jessica.

1156
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:24,400
No, it really.
Isn't happened before.

1157
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,320
The bangs happened before the
new year.

1158
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,000
I I don't think everybody
noticed.

1159
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,680
Nobody noticed.
Yeah.

1160
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,200
They were more like curtain
bangs.

1161
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:37,400
And then I she, she decided when
I went to get a trim that she

1162
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,400
just kind of.
I love bangs.

1163
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,360
I love bangs.
Bangs look great on you.

1164
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:46,800
He's like, they're free Botox
and I'm like, wait, I need

1165
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,120
Botox, you mean?
Free Botox.

1166
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,520
Because they cover.
Your they make you look younger.

1167
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:54,080
They do they cover your
forehead.

1168
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,040
OK, I'm like, do they make you
look younger?

1169
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:57,480
Because then I'm like, I'm going
to go get bangs.

1170
01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:00,160
I don't do bangs well, So if you
see me with bangs, something

1171
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,320
terrible has happened in my life
and.

1172
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,280
Normally.
Yeah, normally probably I would

1173
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:13,360
say that, but I've been doing
bangs like once a year lately

1174
01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:16,520
and just kind of like I don't.
Know I'll do a side bang, which

1175
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,400
I need to do I do a side bang.
Real.

1176
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:19,680
You do.
Right, you do.

1177
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,360
Yeah, but no, the whole bang
thing, I don't know, man.

1178
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:24,880
I just.
I can't pull it off.

1179
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,440
I can't.
And I have tried.

1180
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,360
I have tried, Yeah.
So hopefully I'll get to meet

1181
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:35,200
you, Julie.
I'm hoping to go to the to what

1182
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,200
is it the?
The more you know Summit the.

1183
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,040
The More you know Summit.
Pet Wellness Summit.

1184
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,640
Yeah, so I'm hoping to do that.
And by the way, I will say

1185
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,520
please, please, please, if
you're in Florida, check out

1186
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,680
Space Cats.
It is a Florida specific cat

1187
01:13:51,680 --> 01:13:53,520
convention.
It's starting this year.

1188
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,840
It's on the 26th and the 27th of
January.

1189
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,800
If you know anybody in the Space
Coast or Orlando area, anywhere

1190
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:01,440
around there, share it with
them.

1191
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:05,040
Lisa Hernandez is so great.
She's with Lisa Works, She's

1192
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,200
putting it together.
She's such a great person.

1193
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,080
I did an interview with her
where we talked about all the

1194
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:12,840
visions that she has for that
conference.

1195
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:14,920
So if you know anybody in
Florida, help support it.

1196
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,200
It's the first year, so
obviously it's a little bit on

1197
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:20,240
the smaller side, but she wants
to grow it and get all the cat

1198
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:25,520
lovers together in Florida.
And then check out both of our

1199
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:30,560
podcasts, The Pet Parenting
Reset and Covered in Pet Hair.

1200
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:36,080
Today I dropped an interview
with Aaron Moore about pet loss

1201
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:40,880
and grief and bereavement and
pets and how lacking it is.

1202
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:42,480
So I think that's a really good
one.

1203
01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:46,200
If you are bereaved, if you feel
like you need somebody to

1204
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,640
understand where you are, how
hard it is to let go, Aaron is

1205
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,280
amazing at that.
Aaron, my guest, is just really

1206
01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:58,000
honest and really raw about how
affected she was when she lost

1207
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:03,640
her beloved dog, and that is
really great.

1208
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:09,360
And then Thursday will be my
first live of the year with the

1209
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,760
Whisker, with the ladies behind
Whisker Media.

1210
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:17,640
And we're going to talk about
we're going to talk about New

1211
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:24,400
Year's resolutions, New Year's
energy, New Year's same me,

1212
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:25,440
because there's nothing wrong
with you.

1213
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:28,720
You don't need to change, but
you know how to how to use that

1214
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:31,880
new year to motivate yourself.
So if you're interested in that,

1215
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,560
whether you're a pet parent, a
pet business owner, whatever you

1216
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,960
are, we're going to just talk
about pets and sharing our story

1217
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:43,200
and how important, you know,
connecting with like minded

1218
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,480
people is.
It is.

1219
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,600
It is very important.
I'm not into the whole new year

1220
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:54,440
thing because it's the middle of
winter, but that's a whole other

1221
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:55,320
topic.
A whole.

1222
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,320
It is in the middle of winter
and my kids are still home.

1223
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,440
So as far as I'm concerned, I
think that New Year, the New

1224
01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:03,760
Year's going to be like February
1st.

1225
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:06,200
You know what I mean?
Like when I figure out how to

1226
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:11,720
like put away everything and
kind of actually settle into the

1227
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:14,040
season, maybe that'll be my new
year.

1228
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:17,040
But after the holidays, it's too
crazy.

1229
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,320
It's too crazy.
Yeah.

1230
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,200
All right, y'all, thank you so
much for hanging out, asking

1231
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,480
questions, participating.
I know.

1232
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:31,360
I really appreciate it and.
Yeah, we'll see you next week

1233
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,520
and if you have any
recommendations, we'll talk

1234
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,640
about, we're going to talk about
the resolutions unless something

1235
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:40,120
really big comes up.
But we talked about resolutions

1236
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:44,280
last year and I failed at all of
them and I'm talking about my

1237
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,560
pet specific resolutions.
So I'm going to listen to that

1238
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:51,240
podcast again before next week
our.

1239
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:52,680
Podcast.
From last.

1240
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:53,560
Year.
Oh my goodness.

1241
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,160
And I'm going to see all the
things I said I was going to do

1242
01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:59,040
that I did not do, and I'm not
going to be mad at myself about

1243
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,240
it.
No, no, it's OK.

1244
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,240
Because you know what?
It's.

1245
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:05,240
Chaos.
Julie it's chaos.

1246
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:07,560
Life is chaos.
Everything's chaotic.

1247
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:11,480
We do the best we can.
New Year's, same me probably.

1248
01:17:11,480 --> 01:17:15,080
Same resolutions.
Same resolutions.

1249
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,200
Alright, John, we will see.
Bye, guys.

1250
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,560
Thank you.
Bye.