Choosing the Right Dog for Your Life: Lessons from a Regenerative Farmer with Seth Thompson of New Plymouth Farm

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Welcome to the Pet Parenting
Reset podcast.

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If you're new here, my name is
Jess and this is a space where

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we talk about all things health,
span, and quality of life for

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your pets and you too.
I'm so excited that you're here.

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Let's dive in.
Welcome back, pet parent I There

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has been a question that has
been etched in my brain for so

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many years, and it's a pretty
confronting question.

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And that is that should we all
have dogs?

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And one of the things that I
remember seeing way, way back, I

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don't want to date myself too
much, but when I was doing

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rescue work was that every dog
deserves a home, but not every

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home deserves a dog.
And I think people kind of can

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take that differently depending
on how that might hit you when

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you hear it.
For me, it means just being able

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to give the dog quality of life.
Even though we talk a lot about

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food and nutrition and holistic
health and all of the things on

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this podcast, to me, ultimately
a fed dog is better than a

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starving dog.
But being able to provide your

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dog just the the things they
need to thrive in life, to have

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a quality of life.
That's all I think of when I

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when I hear that question, but
it can be very confronting to a

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lot of people.
And so when I got an e-mail from

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today's guest asking to come on
the show, at first I was like, I

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have no idea how we're going to
make this work.

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But I think it's an important
topic to talk about how to

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choose a dog for your family or
for you if if you're alone and

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there are lots of different
homes, there are lots of

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different situations and
circumstances.

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And do you, do you have kids?
Do you have pets?

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You know, what do you have time
for?

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There's there's so many
questions.

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So before we get started into
that conversation, I'd like to

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welcome Seth on to the podcast.
Thank you so much for being

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here.
I wish, I wish there was a way

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to just like include dogs in the
podcast, but.

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They no wouldn't that.
Be Fun doesn't come across on a

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podcast very well.
Yeah, yeah.

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Thanks for having me.
I appreciate you letting me.

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Come on.
Yeah.

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So you reached out because of
your dog, Dutch.

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Yeah.
And you are a farmer in

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Wisconsin.
And before we get into the topic

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of today's conversation, one of
the things that you put in your

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profile that you sent to me was
that you are working on your

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farm to restore, restore the
health of the land.

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And that's also something that I
talk about on this podcast.

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It's harder to to find guests to
come on to talk about that.

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I think it's, it's kind of sad
that we have to label it

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regenerative farming, like we
have to label organic apples or

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you know what it like that
should just be an apple and the

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other thing should have to have
the labels on.

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But I'd love to just start off
by because I think you were you,

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you probably started your farm
before you got Dutch.

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So before we get into Dutch and
how that came about, can you

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just break down for me like
what, what is your overall goal?

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What are you trying to do with
the farm?

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Yeah, well, we, we wanted to, I
wanted to be a grazer, you know,

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somebody who brings the animals
out and has them out on pasture

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because a lot of people do
what's called setstock grazing,

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which is harmful for the soil,
which makes it harder for the

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the soil or for grass to
infiltrate into the ground.

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And I think we, we treat the
ground very poorly and not like

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a, like something that we can
extract versus something that

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we, that we should have a
relationship with to, to pour

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into.
We extract rather than pour

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into.
And I thought, this is nobody's

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doing this.
And, and I, I want to be

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somebody that's helping the
soil.

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And so I got goats and we, and
we said, OK, I'm going to, I'm

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going to make soap.
I'm going to make goat milk

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soap.
And what I realized as I had

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more goats is that there are,
they have to go in and out every

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day to pasture or else it's,
it's just not great.

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And moving them from this place
to that place is difficult.

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It's it's it's not.
Turns out there are herders for

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a reason.
And what does the herder do?

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The herder has a dog.
I, I learned this.

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I tried with a bell and it
worked OK, but I thought, Oh my

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goodness, as we have more
animals, the bell is just not

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going to work.
And so, so he is my dog Dutch.

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He helps us actually do what we
need to do to get the goats from

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the barn out to the pasture.
And I mean, as far as

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regenerating the soil goes, you
know, we couldn't, we couldn't

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do it with our goats without
him.

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So he he plays a huge role and
I'm very thankful for him.

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Yeah, I just in case anybody
listening is like, what the heck

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are you talking about?
What what kind of farming are

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you referring to?
I had, I was very fortunate to

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have Ian Somerhalder on the
podcast a while back when the

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second documentary came out.
The first one was called Kiss

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the Ground and the second one is
called Comic.

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I think I got that right one.
Yeah, one of them is called Kiss

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the Ground.
One of them is called Common

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Ground.
And it really outlines exactly

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how we are killing our like, if
our topsoil is dead, the planet

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is dead, and how so much of the
topsoil around the globe is

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dead.
And regenerative farmers are

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bringing that back to life
through working with, just like

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you said, like there's a
symbiotic relationship between

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US and the Earth, and that
includes the soil and all of the

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organisms living in the soil.
And so if, if you are interested

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in that, I would, I would
suggest checking out those two

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documentaries because for me,
and I, I don't say this lightly,

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because I watch, you know, I, I
have to consume a lot to be able

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to produce a lot so that I know
what I'm talking about or at

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least start to know what I'm
talking about.

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And those two documentaries
changed the way I look at

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everything else because
something as simple as dirt,

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which I don't know about you, I
mean, hopefully you didn't.

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I grew up in the city thinking,
Oh my gosh, dirt.

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Like I don't want to be dirty,
which is actually really,

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really, really bad for us to
think that way anyway.

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So switching topics a little
bit, you got Dutch and Dutch is

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a herding dog and he works for
you.

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But it's when we talked, it kind
of sounds like he is part of

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your family as well.
So can you talk to to us a

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little bit about Dutch and what
he does and then we'll kind of

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get into selecting and providing
for?

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Yeah, so he is an English
shepherd, which means he is, if

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you're thinking of a border
collie, he's actually kind of

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the opposite.
So border collies, when they

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want to move an animal, they
will stare at them and look

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fierce.
And then the stock decides, OK,

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I don't want to be near this
dog.

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So they that's what's called a
strong eyed you look at them

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that the dog looks at them and
is, you know, scary and

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intimidating.
Dutch is what's called a loose

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eyed dog, which means he it has,
which means he gets closer to

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the stock.
And so he pushes the goats more

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with his physical presence,
which I think is helpful for

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goats because they tend to be
more stubborn.

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And so if you're if you're, if
your animal was, for instance,

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they might look at look at the
border collie.

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And I've never tried moving
stock with the border or my

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goats with the border collie.
But in theory they might just

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say, OK, you're looking at me.
So what?

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But so they they needed they
needed somebody to kind of get

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them going.
And that's why I thought though,

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that the herd or that the excuse
me, the Lucide dog would be

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perfect because they would
respond to the physical dog

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being right there.
And we did.

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We did a lot of training, you
know, come by away to me, all

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that stuff.
And he's incredibly smart.

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And it's one of those things
where the, these dogs, they just

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have something in them to where
that just a natural gifting of,

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of knowing what to do with the
stock.

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And so even if I'm he, he senses
also, OK, we're trying to

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accomplish this goal.
We're trying to get the, the,

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the, the goats in this location.
And, and he does a really good

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job of assisting me.
So for instance, he'll, he'll

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even pick up on my, my hands, my
hand cues of pointing this way

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or that way, even if I don't
speak, he'll be able to, you

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know, go each different way.
So yeah, when we, when we're out

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on pasture, we're having a lot
of fun.

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It's, it never goes exactly the
way you plan it to, but that's

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OK because they're, they're
eating grass.

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So we don't, we don't have to
stress too much about, you know,

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how we got there just then once
we're where we're at, we just

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get to kind of relax and and
have fun and yeah, and be there.

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I think that's one of the things
that that a lot of people don't

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quite understand with their
dogs.

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And this isn't necessarily true
every single breed, but probably

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most breeds of dogs that they
were bred to do something.

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And it really is our
responsibility to engage them

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for whatever they were bred to
do.

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And that doesn't necessarily
mean we have to go buy a farm.

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I'm sure that that would be
amazing for every dog because

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when we look at the oldest live
dogs, the one thing they have in

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common is that they do spend the
majority of their time outdoors.

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And that's kind of a whole,
whole other topic, but being

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able to provide what your dog
needs doesn't just mean food and

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shelter.
It also means being able to

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engage their brain, being able
to provide them whatever

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physical exercise they need.
So, you know, there are so many

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rescue dogs out there.
And I have a heart.

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I have a big, big heart for
rescue dogs.

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A lot of rescue dogs, not all of
them, but a lot of them are

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mixed breed.
And I do think it's important to

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know to to use the DNA test out
there to find out what mix of

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breeds your dog is so that you
can understand them better.

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For example, one of the breeds
that my dog is her two main

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breeds.
She has a lot of breeds, but her

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two main breeds are Chihuahua
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Those are two very different
dogs.

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Yeah.
Very different dogs and she has

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a lot more characteristics of
Chihuahua when I look at her

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personality then poodle.
But I, I need to understand what

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both of those are and what she
needs.

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And I, I just think that can be
so, so important.

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So how when you went through
this process of figuring out

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what kind of dog you need, like
you knew what you needed or what

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you were looking for, what or do
you have any tips for people

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when trying to to choose what
kind of dog is going to work in

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their home?
Yeah, I think, yeah.

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I mean, sort of like what you
were saying is it's more of a

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responsibility.
You don't and of course you're

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going to develop an attachment
to the dog and you know, our,

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our our animals, they're they're
it's important to like we treat

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the soil with dignity and honor
all an animal.

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We need to do that as well.
Well, and I'm reading right now

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a book about a Joel Salatin book
called The Marvelous Pigness of

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Pigs.
He's just the best.

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He's awesome.
I really appreciate Joel

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Salatin.
And I think maybe that that gets

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to the dogness of dogs and, and
even the poodleness of poodles,

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right.
And, and the considerations,

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yeah, of OK, well, for instance,
if you're going to get a dog,

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think about am I living in an
apartment where it's the, the

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barking is going to be a
problem?

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Well, OK, maybe I want to
rescue, but and that's well and

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good.
But if you live in an apartment

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where dogs, maybe they're OK,
but the barking is going to be a

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problem for all your neighbors.
Are you actually helping, you

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know, because who knows, 3-4
months from you down the down

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the line, maybe maybe you're
going to have second thoughts

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about the doubt that dog and and
then maybe maybe the dog misses

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you, right.
And now they're back where they

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were before.
And now they just have one more

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person that that kind of, you
know, brought them back to the

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shelter, which is, you know,
unfortunate.

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So I think, yeah, I think
temperament is really important.

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And then kind of being in a good
position to where you can

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provide that area to thrive
where that dog can be the the

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dogness of the dog, so to speak.
And I think it's important to

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know that there are there are
resources available to us.

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So if we do live in an apartment
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live in the city versus the
country, there are facilities

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where we can still train
agility.

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There are barn hunt facilities
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There are places we can go.
There are things we can do with

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our dogs outside of, you know,
scent work classes.

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There are things that we can do
for our dogs to get them out of

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the house and and provide for
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But would you, would you think
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happy living in like a suburban
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How do you see something like
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You know, I, I do, I do.
If I if I had Dutch in a

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suburban place, I would try to,
I would try to have him around

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to people because as much as he
likes hurting and he likes it a

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lot, he really, really loves
people and playing like so fetch

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And there are there are
1,000,000 places where you can

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play fetch, I think if so, I
think that he would be totally

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fine not on a farm.
I think he really enjoys it

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here.
But kind of like you were saying

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with the the options for I've
never heard of scent training,

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but it sounds pretty cool.
But I was fortunate enough to

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get to go to a kind of a hurting
coaching situation in

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Minneapolis one time.
And this wanted, OK, what does a

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dog look like when they're
hurting, when they're doing

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their job?
And what I found was a, a bunch

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of people who have herding dogs
that don't have a farm.

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And I mean it, it was not a
small group.

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It was, I mean, 10, 10, maybe a
few more people who all had dogs

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and no farm and it was just
really cool to see them to see

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all their dogs in action.
So I think it's definitely

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doable and, and training a dog
and then getting to go do that

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and put them and really put them
on display and allow them to, to

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be themselves.
It's it was really cool.

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And if we could do that more,
that'd be fun.

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But but, you know, so yeah, I
think, I think you could

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definitely have a dog in a
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or at least a herding dog too.
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So I'm wondering what the
process was for you to get to

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the point that you selected
Dutch.

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You obviously had a role in your
family on your farm that you

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were looking to fill.
I'm wondering what that process

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was like for you and how we can
adapt that to any individual's

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situation because unfortunately
we just don't have that many

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farmer.
So people want dogs, but they

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may not like.
I think a lot of people, like we

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said at the beginning, don't
realize that dogs have jobs and

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need jobs to, to feel fulfilled,
just like we need to feel

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fulfilled and have things to do
in our lives.

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So I'm, I'm curious how like
what did that whole process look

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like of you deciding on Dutch
and then again, how we can adapt

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that?
Yeah, it was quite involved

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once.
I so I, you know, you look at,

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OK, there's this breed and
there's that breed and they're

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all really cool and they're just
amazing and, and eventually I

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decided, OK, I want to go for
the English Shepherd for the

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reasons I said before the
especially the loose eyed for

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reason.
But then I had to find a

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breeder.
And so I went on to, I forget,

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there's an English Shepherd
website somewhere.

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And I, I just went through the
list and I just, you know,

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called, called this person,
called that person, this isn't

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going to work out.
And then this one.

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And eventually I had somebody
say, oh, you should talk to so

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and so.
OK, well, so I called and sure

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enough, she was, she had puppies
and we were, and she did

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something called she, she
allowed him to be around the

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stock to kind of get an idea of
if he was going to be scared

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around them or if he was going
to be brave, which is extremely

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important.
And he was, he was brave around

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them even as a little puppy.
So that meant that he was good

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enough to be, to be, to take a
chance on him because now they

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don't always work out.
And so and so we brought him

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here and.
He and one of the things is that

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you don't put one when they're
really young, you don't want to

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risk getting them scared around
the stock because even if they

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have that instinct, they might,
they might get scared and then

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they might see the stock as
scary and just grow up and, and

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just not work out.
So you have to wait until the

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dog is fast and big in order to
bring them and actually start

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training them with the stock.
And so I think thinking about

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your to answer your question, I
think the thing to consider is

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like, how would how would a
person replicate what I did?

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I think it would be being very
intentional about where am I

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getting this dog and are they
going to fit in my particular

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situation.
So I think knowing yourself and

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knowing what you're looking for
is that's what I would say.

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So if I were to be in a suburban
area and I would think, OK, do I

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like playing fetch?
If I like being playing fetch,

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OK, that helps me figure it out.
OK.

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Or do I want a dog that will sit
with me and watch television?

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OK, well then, you know, that
effects also what I'm looking

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for.
Am I looking for a hobby?

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You know, if I'm looking for a
hobby, maybe I do want to get

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that herding dog, you know,
something to do on the weekends,

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something like that.
And, and then finding and then,

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well, you know, once you figure
out, OK, kind of what you're

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looking for.
I've only done, I've only done

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the, I've only done it once
where you find a dog.

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And so I'm sure you probably
have more experience than I do,

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but finding the right person and
the right situation I think is

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important as well.
If, for instance, I, I found a

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breeder that said I typically my
dogs are more for pets and it,

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but he was right down the road
and I so that would have been

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really convenient, but I had, I
had to say no to that breeder

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because I just thought I am
putting way too much.

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I need this to go right.
And so if I try to get a pet and

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I try to make him into a herding
dog and I'm just kind of setting

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myself up for failure.
So I did the hard thing and I

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said I need to find a breeder
that fits to my needs.

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And so I feel like, you know
what, if you're going to have a

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dog, you're going to spend a lot
of time with them.

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Do what?
Do the extra work to really find

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a an animal that will really fit
into your situation.

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If you're here, it's because
your pet isn't just a pet, their

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something's off, even if the

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That's why I created Wild

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Yeah, and I think, I mean,
there's no one right way to go

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about it.
I know it, it can be easy to sit

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back and say, oh, because again,
I come from the rescue world.

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So it can be really easy to sit
back and say, oh, we don't want

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to buy from breeders.
We only want to rescue because

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there are so many animals that,
that need a home.

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However, you know, and then this
is a whole other conversation

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that we don't need to have
today.

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But choosing A breeder that
you're comfortable with that is

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reputable, that isn't like a
backyard breeder that is, it is

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actually caring for their
animals in a way that you're

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comfortable with asking to see
the mother and doing all those

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things.
Those are, that's again, a

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separate conversation.
I don't think necessarily that

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wanting or needing a certain
breed of dog is bad, especially

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if you have specific
circumstances that you sorry,

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hang on just one second.
Sorry, my dog was getting in the

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cat food.
So you know, if, if, if you have

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something very specific that you
are needing and looking for or

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knowing that one of the things
that I'm I'm have been very,

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very intentional with lately is
not just knowing what you don't

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want, but actually knowing what
you do want.

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And that's a lot harder to
that's a lot harder for people

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to pinpoint.
It's really, it can be very easy

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to say, I don't want this, but
OK, what do you want?

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And so when you are very
particular, you know, looking at

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certain breeds can be very
important.

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The other thing I would say is
that, you know, this is where a

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lot of rescues shine, not all of
them, but a lot of rescues

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shine.
And some shelters can as well

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because they spend time with the
dogs.

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Some of them, not necessarily
shelters, but rescues will DNA

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test their dogs so they know
what breeds they're working with

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and so they know the temperament
of the dogs.

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And so if you are a person who
is looking for a pet or looking

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for a family pet, I know that
people that have children tend

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to have different wish lists for
dogs and people who do not have

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children, right?
I mean, obviously nobody wants a

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dog that bites, but finding a
dog that has the right

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temperament for especially young
children is, is definitely going

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to be huge on somebody's
checklist if they have young

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children.
And some breeds are going to be

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better at that than others.
Some breeds are more nippy than

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others.
Again, going back to what were

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they bred to do in the 1st
place?

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And I'll just give a little
example.

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My, my mom has had she, her
current dog is not a specific

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breed, but in the past she
chose, she did the research when

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I was younger, when I was
growing up and she decided she

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wanted Lakeland terriers and she
had a couple of Lakeland

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terriers.
And it's was a little bit

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confronting to my stepfather who
takes so much pride in a

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meticulous lawn that these
terriers were digging up the

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yard.
Well, what are these dogs bred

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to do, right?
They pull animals out of their

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holes.
So of course, they're digging up

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the yard, especially when there
are like moles and bulls in the

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yard that they're trying to get
to.

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So knowing these things about
your animal can really make a

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huge, huge difference in not
just selecting an animal, but

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knowing what you want and what
you don't want it in an animal.

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And I think that is just
something that we don't think

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enough about because
compatibility is important.

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Again, like I said at the very
beginning of this, I believe

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every dog deserves a home.
And and maybe instead of saying

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not every home deserves a dog,
it would be a little nicer to

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say that it's our responsibility
as humans to do the research for

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what we actually want so that we
are not setting our dogs up to

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fail.
Oh yeah, absolutely.

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I agree with that.
Well, then I mean similar,

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similar to like the pigness of
the pig.

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But what's OK?
Well, what's the soilness of the

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soil, right.
OK, that it's the point of

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purpose of the soil is to grow
grass or, or to produce a crop.

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And, and we respect, we respect
those various things by bringing

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out their, their nature.
And, and so with, with a dog,

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what do we pay?
Well, we want to respect them.

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We want to bring out their
nature.

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So then we think, OK, well,
what's, you know, in a suburban,

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in a pet situation, what, what
are we wanting them to do?

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What are what, how can we help
that animal to, to perform their

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duty best and in a respectful
way?

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How do we be respectful to that
animal?

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And I mean, I think, you know,
play is, is, is important.

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And it's also if you're, if you
have a family, you know, OK,

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let's, let's probably find a dog
that likes to be around people.

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And I mean, even even beyond the
breeds, you know, each dog has

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their own character.
And so I know somebody, a gal

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and she has a really big dog
with, you know, a big

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personality and, and it's, it's
fun to see them together.

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She, she also kind of lives in
the suburban area.

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And I think the two of them
together, they've really grown

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over the years in that they,
they're, because he's such a big

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dog, she's had to kind of grow
into a, how do I, how do I bring

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00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:51,240
him places?
How do I, how do I allow this

443
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:57,320
big dog to do big dog things
that kind of put put her outside

444
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,320
of her comfort zone in a good
way in like in a way of, OK, I'm

445
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:07,600
going to grow into I'm going to
grow by learning something new

446
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:14,440
about how do I allow this dog to
be the dogness of himself?

447
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,720
So obviously that doesn't it,
not everybody is able to do

448
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,000
that.
But I feel like even with me,

449
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,840
like when I'm training Dutch, I
have to think about, OK, what,

450
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,680
what are his capabilities?
He's not going to learn a

451
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,680
command just by telling him
once, right?

452
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920
I could just, I could say, oh,
it's not working.

453
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,040
I told him to go left and he
didn't go left the first time.

454
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:49,920
Well, or, or if he's barking at
the chickens, I can't say that's

455
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,480
annoying.
I don't like that.

456
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:56,000
Well, you know what?
He's a dog and he is bred to

457
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,640
bark at things.
So it's something that I've had

458
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,480
to to learn is OK, the barking
might be annoying, but this is

459
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,440
what you chose.
So this is what you so.

460
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,040
And I'm not going to change him.
So I have to change myself.

461
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,920
I have to change my frame of
reference and grow as a person

462
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,520
to say I'm going to let the
dogness of Dutch shine out and

463
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,760
I'm going to change my behavior
because it asking him to not

464
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,040
bark would would not, it would
be disrespectful.

465
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,840
So I think those are definitely
things to consider.

466
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,920
That's an excellent point, Very,
very excellent point to let our

467
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:45,520
dog be a dog.
I would love to just hear what a

468
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,120
typical day is like for Dutch,
from the exercise, the

469
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,880
enrichment, the training, what
he eats like.

470
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,800
I would just love to hear how he
interacts with your family.

471
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,880
What does a typical day look
like for Dutch?

472
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:08,240
Sure.
So typical day is we kind of

473
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:14,440
started the day with breakfast.
He loves food.

474
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,080
He is not picky.
So I'm blessed with that.

475
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,320
I just, you know, standard,
pretty standard dog food.

476
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:33,000
I, I am, I know, go crazy, but,
but thankfully he is, is a very

477
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,360
healthy eater.
And you know what?

478
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,320
He also, he loves scraps.
You know, he, he enjoys, you

479
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:45,320
know, things.
You know, just when we, when we

480
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:51,360
make soap, we, we have, we, we
get cracklins, which is just a

481
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,440
byproduct of, of making soap and
it's a, it's a meat, meat

482
00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:02,520
product and he just goes crazy.
So we end so Dutch is is very

483
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,200
blessed in in the dog world to
be able to eat cracklins from

484
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,199
time to time.
He just he goes crazy for those

485
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,159
things.
But yeah, so there.

486
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:17,120
So, you know, starting the day
like that, we typically wait

487
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,880
until the sun is is high in the
sky.

488
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,560
So it's kind of a waiting game
in the morning.

489
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:25,560
Then we open up.
And so.

490
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,840
OK, Dutch, all right, let's go.
So I open an up the door.

491
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:35,280
He now you know, and this is
this is where where he this is a

492
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,520
very important part for him is
he goes into the pen where the

493
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:43,639
goats are and because the door
is open now and so he has to

494
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:49,679
bring them out towards me.
And so I'm walking backwards and

495
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:56,360
if, if there's one where he is,
where if he, if he doesn't get

496
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,000
them all, maybe there's one back
in the pen and that's kind of

497
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,720
inconvenient.
So I have to help him and make

498
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:07,920
sure that we've gotten all the
goats.

499
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:15,120
Once they're all there, we will,
we will walk together and I use

500
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:20,440
a command like steady because
that helps him to, to keep his

501
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,960
distance, an appropriate
distance so that they don't

502
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,040
scatter.
And so we will, we will back up

503
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:33,240
and back up and back up.
And then we get to our so we

504
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:37,880
will get to the pasture and I
will have set it up the day

505
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,040
previous.
And so once we get to a certain

506
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,480
spot, I allow Dutch to kind of
just take over.

507
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:53,080
And so he walks with them and
they know where they know where

508
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,000
they were the day before.
Sorry about that.

509
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,480
Yeah, no problem.
OK, so where is I?

510
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,440
Oh, yeah.
So this is kind of where Dutch

511
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:07,640
really gets to shine.
Is he, he is in the back of him

512
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,680
and he's just, you know, walking
side to side and forward and

513
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,640
making sure that the goats go
forward into their paddock.

514
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:20,560
And once they're in there, we
kind of shut, you know, shut

515
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,280
the, the fence in such a way.
And it's this really awesome

516
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:29,880
moment where we get to kind of,
you know, I get to tell him,

517
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,560
good job, you know, well done.
Not every dog gets to do a cool

518
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,760
job like that.
And he definitely knows, he

519
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,520
knows that he's done something
good.

520
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,720
And so it's really cool to be a
part of that with him.

521
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,800
Once that's done, we typically
let them out onto the pasture

522
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,120
for a while.
And then on really special days,

523
00:36:53,120 --> 00:37:00,080
we will do, we will do extra
herding, which we'll kind of go

524
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,400
out in.
It's not necessarily an UN

525
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,040
fenced area, but a less fenced
area.

526
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,400
And this is where things kind of
get a little bit more intense

527
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,800
because they could get, they
could get out and I really don't

528
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:20,200
want them to.
And so this is where, you know,

529
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,720
Dutch and I have to really work,
work together to kind of

530
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,920
sometimes the goats will start
to run, which is not good.

531
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,480
We want them grazing heads down,
calm.

532
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,880
And I usually if I'm, if we're
doing that, I try to have it be

533
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,320
3 hours doesn't always work that
way.

534
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,880
Sometimes it's, you know, it's
about to rain or something.

535
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:49,360
But so we're out doing that and
then we bring the goats back to

536
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,920
their original paddock.
Dutch helps me.

537
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,600
Well, once they're back in their
paddock, Dutch and I walk

538
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,840
together to go see the chickens,
you know, grab the eggs and I'll

539
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,800
go inside, take care of my
stuff.

540
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,600
And then in the evening, so I,
you know, probably about 5-10

541
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,080
minutes before sundown, we do
that.

542
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:17,040
We do the same thing again.
And I open up the gate and I

543
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,360
make sure that Dutch goes to the
back.

544
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,840
Once he's behind all the goats,
then I tell him to, to come to

545
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:30,600
walk up and he brings the goats
and we slowly, gently walk back

546
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:36,120
to the barn and, and everybody's
happy and you know, he's done

547
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:41,160
his job and the goats bellies
are full and it's, it's really

548
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,520
fun.
And, you know, another day of

549
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,200
just grazing.
So he is still part of the

550
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,520
family.
Does he come in in the evening

551
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,360
with you or how does that?
Mean he likes to stay out with

552
00:38:54,360 --> 00:39:02,360
the stock yeah, he he like, but
he enjoys being with he really

553
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,920
loves the kids Like a lot like a
lot.

554
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:16,520
And so that's another example of
knowing what you're getting with

555
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,920
the dog.
So with my kids, I've explained

556
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,640
to them that, OK, yes, he he is
going to want to be right by

557
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,640
you, you know, and they're
small.

558
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,480
So he's so even though he's not
mean, he's very friendly.

559
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,600
It's kind of scary for them.
So but it's not, it's not fair

560
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,240
to Dutch to say, hey, you quit
getting so close.

561
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,320
Don't do that.
You know what I mean?

562
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,560
It's OK.
I want to help him under

563
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:45,680
understand boundaries, but at
the same time, I have to

564
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,440
understand what he, what he's
bred to do.

565
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,520
And so now I have to have a
conversation with my kids

566
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,000
saying, Hey, Dutch is going to
get in your face.

567
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,840
He he's, he's just being nice.
We, we know we have to

568
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,040
understand where Dutch is and
meet him where he's at.

569
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:10,600
But so I've, so I've taught my
children.

570
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,440
So when it's time to feed Dutch,
you know.

571
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,400
I'll have him stay where he's
at, right?

572
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,840
And then I'll then I'll give the
command go.

573
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,160
And then, you know, then he'll,
he'll go into his bowl.

574
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,320
He runs, he books that he just
loves his food.

575
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,200
But in order to include my
family in it, I've taught both

576
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:40,960
of my children how to, how to
give Dutch the command to, to,

577
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,560
to go to get his food.
They, they love it.

578
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,880
And it helps him because now
he's getting command from

579
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:57,320
somebody that's not me.
And they're, they're a part of

580
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,560
it.
And I think especially as as the

581
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:06,960
kids get older and, and grow,
they'll get more time even

582
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,000
training with him or, or, and,
and working with him out on

583
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:11,600
pasture.
So.

584
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:19,800
One of my favorite things to
give a dog or a cat is goat's

585
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,920
milk.
And I know we talked on like

586
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,080
previously that your farm does
not sell goat's milk, publicly

587
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,840
at least, and you are making
soaps.

588
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,720
What is the benefit of a goat's
milk soap?

589
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:41,800
Oh, it's, it's huge.
Well, so like our goat milk

590
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,960
soap, we, we don't have the
phthalates which are big

591
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,800
nowadays.
Everybody's not everybody's

592
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,160
trying to avoid the phthalates.
So our soap does not have that.

593
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,320
And I'm outside a lot and
especially in the cold weather,

594
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,240
your hands, we're washing our
hands a lot nowadays.

595
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:06,240
There's just a lot of reasons
why to do it.

596
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,560
If you chintz out on the soaps,
right?

597
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,520
If you're low, I want, I want
that really cheap blah, blah

598
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,960
soap.
I'm going to go to the Dollar

599
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,720
Tree.
Well, you're going to, you're

600
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,480
going to pay for it another way.
You're going to pay for it

601
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,440
because your hands are going to
be dry and cracked and it's not

602
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:29,120
going to be super duper fun.
And, and the one of the cool

603
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:34,760
things about our soap is it's
made using lard, which is

604
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:42,880
actually closest to human skin.
Well, well, so pig pigs skin in

605
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,280
our skin are very are the
closest in the animal world.

606
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:55,480
So our soap combined with with
the goats is very unique in its

607
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:04,160
smoothness.
And also just a lot of soap

608
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:12,880
companies are like the what they
will do is they will they will

609
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:19,760
take out in the soap making
process all of the regenerating

610
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:25,320
portions of it of that process.
So they can then stick it in, in

611
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:33,360
the, the like the hand, like the
conditioners or stuff.

612
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,280
So, so they get their soap
product and then they want you

613
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:44,080
to buy this other thing.
But with us, we keep it

614
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,840
together.
And so it's really good for your

615
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:54,160
hands.
And I mean, it's, it's goat milk

616
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,240
soap.
So it's, it's extra fun in that

617
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,120
way too.
It's not just, it's not just

618
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:04,280
soap soap, it's it's goat milk
soap, which makes it, I think

619
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,880
extra nourishing for your hands.
And it has a story too, you

620
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:12,720
know, instead of, you know, you
people that have our soap are a

621
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:17,800
part of our story versus just
being a part of the, I don't

622
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,680
know, Dollar Tree soap story.
Not interested in that.

623
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,760
Yeah, so where, where could
people find the goat's milk

624
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,400
soap?
And then where can people see

625
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:34,080
Dutch in action?
So where they can find our soap

626
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,920
is New Plymouth farm.com.
We have a website and we have a

627
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,920
lot of really cool soaps on
there, lots of different

628
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:46,280
varieties and sense.
We, we buy the best sense

629
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,880
around.
So we we want to make sure that

630
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,760
if you're going to buy goat milk
soap, it's important that you

631
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,440
get really cool sense, really,
really awesome sense.

632
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,440
So we we make sure to do that
and they can see Dutch.

633
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,520
We actually have a YouTube
channel.

634
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:09,680
I'm getting more videos on there
right now.

635
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,720
So I'm working on some videos
and stuff.

636
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,680
But if they want to see Dutch in
action, this is really cool.

637
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:22,600
So I've I have a drone and I'm
all certified.

638
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,360
Turns out there's turns out if
you want to use a drone for a

639
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,240
commercial purpose, you need a
license to do that.

640
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,560
So and I have it.
I have it now.

641
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:36,560
So this in 2026, if people want.
If so, if you're a person and

642
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,840
you want to see a herding dog in
action, you can go to our

643
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,200
website or excuse me, our
YouTube channel.

644
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:48,560
It's just New Plymouth Farm this
this grazing season, there's

645
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,880
going to be videos and videos
and videos of me and Dutch out

646
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,320
on pasture and our goats and I
think it's going to be a hoot.

647
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,360
And so, yeah, people can see
that.

648
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,800
I don't think there there's
very, I don't even think I've

649
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,480
heard of anybody else doing this
type of thing.

650
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,640
So if, if you ever if a listener
has ever wanted to see a herding

651
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,760
dog in action or even enjoy
grazing just the just what that

652
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,880
looks like, they should check
out her, her YouTube channel,

653
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,120
New Plymouth Farm.
Yeah.

654
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,880
Well, we are so disconnected
from everything.

655
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,360
I think it would probably be
very relaxing just to watch him

656
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,640
her.
Yeah, agreed.

657
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,520
Well, I appreciate that and
thank you for coming on to talk

658
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:41,160
about this Seth, and for
introducing us to your soaps and

659
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,120
how you selected Dutch to be
your herding dog.

660
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,920
We appreciate it and thank you
so much for being here.

661
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,000
Guys, please have a fabulous
rest of your week.

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I give your pets some extra love
from me and from Seth this week,

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and I will talk to you next week
before here you go.

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If today's episode got you
thinking about what's really

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going on beneath the surface for
your pet, don't forget to check

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out Wild Wellness pet.com.
You'll find the Wild Wellness

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Bioenergetic test to help
uncover hidden stressors, plus a

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curated apothecary of holistic
remedies to support true root

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cause healing.
Visit wildwellnesspet.com to

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start building a calmer, more
vibrant pet from the inside out.