Path to Pet Wellness: Dr Jeff Feinman on Holistic Vet Care, BEAM & the Happiness Protocol

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There is something fundamentally
missing from the way we are

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raising pets today.
And this is something that I

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have been exploring with various
guests over the past few months.

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And it's been a very long time
since I had Doctor Jeff Feinman

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on the Pet Parenting Reset
podcast and he recently came

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back on to do an episode for Pet
Health Junkies.

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And I promise you, I do not put
every Pet Health Junkies episode

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up on the Pet Parenting Reset.
I don't do it.

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I really truly take the ones
that are like, wow, once we got

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done recording, I was like, you
know what?

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This is something that I want
more people to hear.

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And this episode with Jeff
Feinman is one of those episodes

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because we are, we have lost
sight of the fundamentals.

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And so many times people think
diet, diet, diet, diet, diet.

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And yes, that is very true.
But there are things alongside

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diet that we aren't thinking
about that we're missing.

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We've touched on some of them
when I had City and on talking

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about clean water, when I had
Jackie, on talking about light

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therapy, and we're going to
continue exploring this topic.

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But Doctor Jeff Feinman just put
out a new book, which he will be

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talking about in this episode.
And I bought the book because I

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am so excited to actually dig
into these fundamentals that I

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truly think we're missing.
It's really easy to get on here

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and talk about this food or that
food and this supplement or that

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supplement, but what about the
things that are actually

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bringing us back to nature now?
Yeah, sometimes our situations

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and circumstances are not
allowing us to do that to the

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degree we wish we could.
Somebody living in a high rise,

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for example.
But there are other ways.

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Sometimes we might have to spend
money to to get back those

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things in our lives when when
our lives are not including

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them.
For many of us, those things are

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free.
For many of us, they are not

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like clean water.
For most of us, clean water is

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not free, which is a shame, but
it is something that we have to

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think about.
And so I think cutting through a

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lot of the noise with this
supplement and that food and

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this and that and blah, blah,
blah, and let me buy this and

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let me buy that.
How about we really take it back

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to basics.
And that's kind of what this

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episode is with Doctor Jeff
Feinman, which is why I decided

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to pull it over onto the pet
Parenting Reset.

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So I'm just going to go ahead
and let you listen because I

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really think this is a
conversation that we need to be

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having more often.
Welcome to the Pet Parenting

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Reset podcast.
If you're new here, my name is

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Jess and this is a space where
we talk about all things health,

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span, and quality of life for
your pets and you too.

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I'm so excited that you're here.
Let's dive in.

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Welcome back, pet Health
junkies.

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First of all, let me welcome Pam
and Janet with us today.

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Thank you for taking your time
to come on and record this

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podcast today, which is going to
be a really, really good one.

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I actually had the pleasure of
interviewing Doctor Jeff Fineman

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on the Pet Parenting Reset a
while back and we have him back

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today to talk about all things
holistic pet health and a new

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book that he has coming out.
And welcome to Pet Health

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Junkies.
Dr. Feinman, how are you doing

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today?
I'm doing the best I can do

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today right now.
So I'm I'm doing great.

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Yeah, no, I understand that.
So I'm we have a ton of

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questions that we could get to
today.

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I know we're not going to get to
all of them today.

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And I want to make sure that Pam
and Janet have plenty of time to

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ask any of the questions that
they have set aside for you.

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I would just like to start out
by saying thank you for all of

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the education, all of the
teaching that you have been

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doing over the last, I don't
even know how many years.

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It is so very well appreciated
and of anyone that I have had

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the pleasure of meeting.
If if if anyone actually

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deserves the title holistic, it
would be you.

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Thank you.
So let's just start out really

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quickly, if you don't mind
catching people up.

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You have a book.
Yeah, that's.

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Nice.
Path to Pet Wellness.

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And that is something I was
actually just speaking to

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somebody right before this
recording and talking about how

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we have somehow gotten into this
place where we have a lot of

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people finding the alternative
side of allopathic veterinary

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medicine, but that paradigm
shift isn't happening.

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So they're still looking at
symptoms and asking instead of

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what pharmaceutical can I give
my pet for the symptom?

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They're saying, what can I, what
holistic supplement can I give

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my pet for this symptom?
And that's where the I needed

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that paradigm shift isn't
happening.

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Like, yes, we're very grateful
that you're here, that you're

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looking at alternatives to
allopathic medicine, but we

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still need to to be educating
people on that paradigm shift.

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And that, I think that's one of
the things that you were really,

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really trying to do.
That is thank you so much just

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for noticing, because we've
actually redesigned holistic

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actions and all the year doing
what you just said.

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We spent almost a decade now
giving lots of information,

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webinars, all those unlimited
resources that we have that that

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are all framed based on lens of
path to path Wellness.

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But there's more.
And what's more is what you just

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said is helping make that part
on shift and that, you know,

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part on shift.
I mean there's a reason why the

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book is divided into 3 sections
and one of them is making a wise

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decision and the 1st 2 of what
you need to know to make that

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wise decision.
There, what do you need to know

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to make that shift?
That's it.

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It's, I think one of the
questions that we had provided

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was about the invitation for pet
parents to to look at symptoms

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and diseases differently.
And I see that in our retail

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store here, I see the shift
happening more and more, which

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is so encouraging.
And I, I call it an awakening.

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I had a beautiful conversation
yesterday with a woman, a woman

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who only one in her family, she
was coming in for help with her

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three grand dogs who are itching
out of control.

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And here in Texas and Central
Texas, we have oak pollen

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everywhere and mold as well.
And I was proud of her.

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And I actually just gave her,
you know, praise and gratitude

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for coming in instead of running
to, you know, her veterinarian,

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which around here finding a
holistic vet is almost

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impossible.
There are many online.

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We do have some integrative and
some very skilled veterinarians

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in traditional medicine.
And we have some that are open

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minded.
And so I think kind of where it

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parallel, the parallel that I'm
leading to is information is

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it's powerful.
And if you, you know, books like

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yours, you get it into the right
hands.

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And then they can take that
knowledge, they can take the

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courage to talk with their
veterinarian.

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And we encourage ours here to
seek out certain veterinarians

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that are more open minded to the
research that the pet parent

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actually brings to the
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So if they end up going into the
vet clinic, in this case, we

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were able to talk to her about
very serious things and she left

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a happy woman not having to go
the route of antibiotics and

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medicated topicals and things
that we know are going to

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destroy, you know, the largest,
you know, Biome that the pet has

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their skin in addition their gut
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And then we have a whole other
opportunity for a whole other

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host of things to come in some.
And I think that again, going

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back to the question, you're
inviting pet parents to change

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how they look at symptoms, how
they look at diseases and what,

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how would you explain the course
shift that you're wanting them

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to start making and how how
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that?
Well, first of all, you've said

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about a bazillion things we
could dive deeper into and I

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would love to start with what
you told you or your customer

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because it is an awakening.
And I mean, I'm going to let you

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guys in on a little secret and
that is that was the intent

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behind the book.
And in fact, I have a wiki,

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observatory wiki article about
how this approach bringing this

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awakening part.
I will be happy to share that

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link.
But you can also just read the

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book, and that's even better.
First thing I say in the book is

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that our pets are giving us an
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The first step is recognizing
that there's an SOS coming from

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your animals.
What did I mean by an SOS of

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symptoms?
So what?

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You know, I'm a molecule
biologist by traitor, spent a

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decade for more actually just
doing research and conventional

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vet Med and what can biology and
whatnot.

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So it all still comes back to
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What's what are the souls doing?
What are they saying?

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How is the body responding?
What do symptoms really mean?

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Now?
What is the physiologic trigger

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for the symptom?
But why wasn't even a

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physiologic trigger there in the
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And the answer is the
mitochondria.

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I said mitochondria, and this is
the mitochondria theory goes

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along with the polyphagal theory
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compliments.
Basically, mitochondria are the

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powerhouses in the body.
They generate the energy that

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allows this is level by the way,
that that veterinarians can

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understand because it's bigger
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Life force is bigger than
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But at the mitochondrial level,
you know, Janet, you can

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basically explain that they're
itching because of mitochondria

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are not happy.
And how do you make them happy

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with all the things that we're
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those symptoms are a result of
the mitochondrial and happiness.

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You have no energy in the car
theft, no gas in the car.

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You're not going to go anywhere.
You're not going to function at

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you have, you know, diluted gas.
You're going to knock if you're

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yeah.
So basically, and that's why it

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all comes back to food and
lifestyle and all that because

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built up our energy and a
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So I would say the answer to how
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people day-to-day is just by
bringing them back into the now

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of what that symptom really
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energy and or mitochondrial
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That energy portion is.
So I think I misunderstood is

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the first word that comes to
mind.

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I think mainly because kind of
something that you started to

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say before I hit the record
button was that we have known

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for thousands of years what to
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But somewhere along the way, the
idea of energy, the idea of

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frequency, the idea of even the
connection that we should have

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with nature has been kind of
made to feel other and woo woo

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and mystical and even demonic at
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Like if you go through the
history of it.

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And I think it's just so
misunderstood.

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It's probably the best word that
I that I have for it.

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Pam is very familiar with the
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I don't know if you have any
questions for Doctor Feynman

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about that part of it.
I know that, you know, the main

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difference between a holistic
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that is finding addressing the
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And I know Doctor Feynman is
very passionate about that part

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of symptoms because we can, we
can look at symptoms like you

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said.
But the question I always ask

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is, but why do they have the
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And what's the cause behind the
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Why is the mitochondria not, why
is the immune system, you know,

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overacting and reacting in a, in
a, it's out of balance.

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Something is out of balance.
So we have to peel the layers

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back and go why?
And it's not as hard as people

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think when you can start to
identify like the most common

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triggers or root causes of
things that make things go off

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the rails.
It's not that hard.

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You don't have to be a rocket
scientist to go figure out that

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certain things are just not good
for the body and they will

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disrupt the vital force.
They will disrupt balance and

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the way the body operates.
Maybe you could speak to that a

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little bit more.
Just that you use the word

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trigger and cause pretty much
interchangeably.

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And you're right, you were
saying it, but it it sounds like

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they're the same, but are not
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The root cause of mitochondrial
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Notice that, you know, wait a
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is not really the root cause.
The root cause is the energetic

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fluctuations that we don't
recognize, you know, in the

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little Prince support that
what's essential is invisible to

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the that we're talking about.
As far as the root cause.

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The root cause is what is
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in every air molecule all around
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And you know, you know, as an
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we know from thousands of years
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we're trying to align with the
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What has happened, Pam, is that
the more we get into the weeds,

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the molecular weeds about this
mechanism and you know, this

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drug will interfere with this
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The more we do that, the more we
get misaligned and real learning

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is the way of what what you
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Indigenous people.
All the indigenous people around

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the world, they all are better
aligned because they were kind

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of the connection, spirit, full
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That life force is a real thing
and it has real and we can

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employ it so easily with our
animals feel the the energy of

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love is that love that we share
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I'm 3 some it's a few minutes
late today as I was outside

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playing with Maya, just running
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And that connection is so good
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So you know, when we talk about
energy, it's really simple.

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Really like you said, it's one
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root cause.
That energy imbalance, that lack

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of alignment we can call
alignment with the universe,

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alignment with the workings of
Mother Nature.

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The greatest doctor there ever
was.

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Doctor Mother Nature's galpoo
culture.

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Yeah.
So what we're really all about

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here, I think is how do we fix
what we've gotten that the

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method we've gotten ourselves
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Yeah, yeah.
Is this a good time to talk

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about the Happiness Protocol and
BEAM?

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And actually is the perfect time
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They'll do.
Realign beam is a biomarker.

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It's actually something we're
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veterinary curriculum.
But behavior, energy, appetite,

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and mood just happened to be the
four observable things that will

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tell you that your pet is out of
balance.

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And you will know by observing
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You'll know before the vet can
see anything on or X-rays or we

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just know when they're off.
And the way we know is through

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the beam, the behavior or maybe
their eyes are a little glazed

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over.
Maybe like my cat did.

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The reason I rushed to doctor
with my cat, she did something.

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She hid.
She had never hid before in her

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life.
I knew that was that, you know,

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her body was telling me it was
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won't stop.
So, yeah, so that beam is a

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biomarker.
But beam, let's talk about I

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just spoke with Debbie in
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scuppers beam dropped to A7
whereas it had been a nine out

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of 10.
Sorry, it's one to 10 where 1 is

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really not so good in 10 minutes
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The dog lives in Bermuda.
Whims runs around happy all the

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time, has a great lifestyle, but
he developed the disease and

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it's on a bunch of drugs which
he started giving a Theo

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energetic homeopathic medicine.
The being started rising.

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The blood count started
stabilizing, then she stopped it

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and his beam of nine dropped
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So our conversation today is how
do we get that beam of seven

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back up and then begin to wean
the drugs a little bit mindfully

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wean the drugs.
So the happiness protocol is 3

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steps one.
And again, it's all about

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awakening and consciousness
staying alert and knowing what

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what's around you.
But number one, what does your

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pet love the most?
Did they love the most

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throughout life?
Might be a food that might be

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playing, might be just petting
and purring #2 do more of that.

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What if you're doing because
we're all, you know, petting and

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playing and why?
But double it if if your pet is

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really sick, double the amount
of time should go outside, even

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if it's three to five minute
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That's sorry my body is choking
right now.

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Are you OK?
I'm fine.

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I'm fine thank you.
My my brain doesn't communicate

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well with my muscles of
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So I just took on my now anyway,
so double it and if it's

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playing, if it's going outside,
if it's a Kitty that really

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wants to go out, but you're not
able to let them out.

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He got sick because they're not
going out.

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Try to let them out play with
them and #3 is evaluate just

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within two weeks of value with
the effect because I virtually

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no say 99% of the time and see
the symptom, the energetic

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symptom result.
So when you practice the

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happiness protocol help to
increase beam and breathe get

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rid of symptoms.
What do I mean by getting rid of

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symptoms?
We'll go into that, except

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better be quiet now.
Sorry, don't don't even know if

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I answered your question, Janet,
I opened it.

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Yeah, well, I think that one, I
want to say since the last time

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we spoke, the theme questions
have been something that I have

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used with my pets especially.
And I have, I will admit, I

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haven't always been good at it,
but it, I always remember it

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when it's that time where at the
end of their life where I'm

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making these decisions and I'm
questioning myself.

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I'm like, this is a way that I
can get out of my head and

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actually look at my pet.
But so I so I appreciate that

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you have that out there for
people to, to utilize as a

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framework to really get them
kind of back into like what is

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actually going on with your pet.
I know like, side note, when I

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talk to people, a lot of times I
have people come to me looking

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for answers for help with their
pets.

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And they bring me all of this
data, all of these, you know,

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blood tests and all of these,
all of this information.

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And they're like, I need to get
their ranges back, you know,

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where they're supposed to be.
And I'm like, my first question

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is always, OK, but how is your
dog, right?

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Like it's really easy to get
caught up in their liver values

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are higher than they should be
or their kidney values or

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whatever is going on.
I'm like, OK, but actually how

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is your dog?
And I think that's it.

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Seems so simple but we forget
about it.

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We sure do.
And that is the one fundamental

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shift perhaps that we need to
make is away from focusing on

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symptoms versus quality of life
symptoms or external and

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internal.
So those liver value elevations

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or symptoms, they're just
internal symptoms team.

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It's just an external symptom
that happens to reflect, you

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know, quality of life.
It's actually 4 separate

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symptoms that you can all grade
separately.

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But so yeah, thank you judge for
for thinking about that,

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remembering about that.
And now my own doctor actually

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asked me when I first go back
for recheck how should be.

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That's awesome.
One of the things that I have

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been really trying to focus on
lately, especially, I mean, I'm

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forever a student, right?
Like there is never a point in

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time where I'm going to say, oh,
I know that.

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Like, no, I don't.
I know what I know, but I know

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that there's other things I
don't know.

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And one of the things I've
really been trying to focus on a

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lot lately is the like really,
really fundamental things that

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we all take for granted.
Light air quality, water

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quality, just, you know,
circadian rhythms, connection to

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the earth, ground.
They like these things that yes,

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we most of us do not think about
on a day-to-day basis, but have

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huge impacts on our health.
And what I have been thinking is

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I'm listening to you talk, is
that if we were to actually get

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out of our own way and let our
dog be a dog and let our cat be

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a cat and let them show us what
they want to do, how they want

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to interact, how they, how much
time they want to be outside.

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Like all the things that we
could really learn a lot not

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just on how to better care for
them, but honestly how to better

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care for ourselves.
And I, I think that might be

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some of the like foundational
principles of what I'm expecting

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to hear and, and a lot of your
work.

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And that is and you're right and
that brings back to the

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awakening because our animals
are as a cartoly says, they are

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the perfect gateway for our
awakening.

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And the way to do that is just
facing that you dog, be a dog,

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get into the dog space, cat, be
a cat and get into the cat.

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Because they're not worried
about the future that I'm

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worried about the past now,
they're in the now.

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And like you said, not getting
out of the head is a heart's

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problem is getting us out of our
heads.

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You know what?
When this approach began, we

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called it embodied veterinary
spirituality because being in

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the body is is certainly one way
of of getting out of your head.

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A cart says we all need to come
to our senses and in a way that

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that's exact right.
I mean, we just need to be aware

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of what's going on around us.
And that's why you'll see that

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the path talks to talks about
the C3 movement.

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We can blow things up with C4
and ignite things and blow them

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up, but we can blow up the world
with C3.

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And C3 is conscious,
compassionate communication.

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I.
Like that that's.

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We are all now officially part
of that C3 movement and we're

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going to blow up the world with
that.

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In a positive way.
I like that.

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That's yeah love, which is the
highest energy, right Pam?

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Yeah.
Yeah, You know, you brought up

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the Jessica, what you were
talking about I equate to being

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in nature.
And you know, you, you have the

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natural sunlight, which has been
demonized.

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And we were told to put
sunscreen on, which is cancer

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causing.
I'm sorry.

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I'm just going to say it.
Yeah.

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And my husband and I were
outside with the five dogs this

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Sunday.
And I was just, I love being

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outside in the backyard, as much
sun as I can get.

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And I'll tell you, since I've
started doing that again and

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going out barefooted and feeling
the grass and connecting with

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the earth, standing against a
tree, just lying in the grass,

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lying in a hammock, letting my
dogs come and go.

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It's always interesting to see
how they'll gravitate to me.

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The more grounded.
I'm not going to say calmer, but

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grounding creates a sense of
peace and calm, which I'm not a

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molecular scientist or a
biologist or anything like that.

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However, I know that's got to
have a positive benefit at a

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mitochondrial cellular level.
And so I think it's interesting

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because his comment was I need
sunscreen.

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And I said, you absolutely do
not.

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And we do not have any in the
house.

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So just soak up the sunshine.
But and then Dr. Feynman, you

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talk about the five senses and
it just keeps coming.

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The word that keeps coming to my
spirit is nature.

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And like you said, let a dog be
a dog, let a cat be a cat.

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And we've been taught and
conditioned to almost live in

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this bubble with all these
manufactured everything, sprays,

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perfumes, deodorizers.
You know, your laundry's not

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clean unless it smells like, you
know, a field of sunflowers.

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But it's contrived.
And I think contrived is the

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word and that just has created
this sick model and all the

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sickness and disease and getting
back to nature 5 senses

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simplicity and exactly where
where your studies have taken

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your life has taken you.
Doctor Fineman.

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I think that it's an exciting
time.

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I like your C3.
I think that our listeners would

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couldn't grasp on to the C3 and
that I see that as an explosion

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of health and positivity and
love and balance and calm and

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just whole.
And so I'm excited to read your

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book and I just wanted to
connect that for everybody.

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That's how it connected with me.
But I would love to hear a story

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about one of your cases, if you
will, where you applied the

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principles that you're teaching
and you're writing about.

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If you're here, it's because
your pet isn't just a pet, your

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family and you can feel when
something's off, even if the

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labs look normal.
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449
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,160
and the Apothecary and take the
next loving, protective,

450
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,640
proactive step for your pets
healing journey.

451
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,760
I would love to hear a story
about one of your cases, if you

452
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:40,400
will, where you applied the
principles that you're teaching

453
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,400
and you're writing about.
I'm talking like because I

454
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,320
literally just submitted an
article about that and you will

455
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:53,320
see it come out soon on my use
That example, would that be all

456
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,440
right?
Because it's Maya.

457
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:02,240
It's like last week, we spend
all day on them.

458
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,200
I'll show you right now, but
she's been right there that we

459
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,480
spend all day really in the
office and so we're pretty

460
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,680
close.
She started squinting last week

461
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:23,680
and then by by midday of sexual
before lunch tries her help so

462
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,960
tightly closed.
And then she started pointing

463
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,240
out with my son.
Oh, you know, it's a bad acute

464
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,120
account.
She was in daycare two days

465
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,120
before that that that that all
related.

466
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,440
So what was my first?
Well, all right, my first

467
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,800
response was panic.
You know, it's like, oh, no,

468
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,920
just come scratch her eye or,
you know, and make it worse.

469
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,320
The first response was just what
he said.

470
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,800
Jenna was to go outside outside
for 35 minutes.

471
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,640
Her eyes were totally better.
All gone came inside, it came

472
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,480
back.
That was a clue that her body

473
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,840
was giving me that.
No going outside was great.

474
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,600
But you know, and and Bob's
upstairs.

475
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:12,360
A very, very specific clue in
the homeopathic part ones it's

476
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,960
called that modality and
modality is what modifies you

477
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,280
know, our environment what what
causes symptom or trigger a

478
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,080
symptom to come on or get better
or get worse.

479
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,680
In this case, it was coming
inside with making rods work.

480
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,000
She got a remedy, a homeopathic
remedy.

481
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,680
That was the intervention also
from the book and she got well

482
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,440
better.
Then later in the day her eyes

483
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,200
turned beet red.
Even when she was quinting and

484
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,360
pointing at them they weren't
beet red.

485
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,880
It actually looked like she was
bleeding at her odds.

486
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:50,920
Like if you I I let it open it
look like those just blood

487
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:55,280
buckets that was her body tell
me that there was something

488
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,600
different going on.
Meaning that it was the same

489
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,920
thing, but I approached it the
wrong way.

490
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,560
So I used a different remedy.
The readiness was gone by the

491
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,639
time we woke up in the morning
because she went to sleep right

492
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,440
after that.
By the morning, she was fine.

493
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:16,440
So that was happiness.
Sure, modality, homeopathy are

494
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,400
all come on in one and save
myself around $1000 going to the

495
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,199
ER.
Yeah.

496
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,239
But I will say that if that's
quinting and continued, if, you

497
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,239
know, I didn't like the way she
looked, I would have gone right

498
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,960
away and Einstein and you know,
all the conventional years and

499
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,080
that that really is how I think
you get the best wealth world to

500
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,520
get empowered with the
information that there's another

501
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:47,239
way to look at it.
Then what they did at Cornell.

502
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,719
You know, when when I first had
this theory, I about vitality

503
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,239
imbalance, which is really what
we're talking about, building a

504
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,280
vitality and balancing it said
up there, I went to Cornell,

505
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,520
which is right here in Stanford,
Cornell University fed

506
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:09,880
specialist and talked to their,
their head internist said the

507
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,720
the framework is great.
You know, it's wonderful, but

508
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,200
what do you do with it?
So those words, what do you do

509
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,280
with it inspired me to figure
out what you do with it and what

510
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,560
you do with this, what we're
talking about right now.

511
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,720
So awesome.
OK, awesome.

512
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,120
Do either of you have a
question, girls?

513
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,880
I can always talk, that's why
I'm trying to give you guys a

514
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,240
chance to talk.
Feel like I'm asking all the

515
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,680
questions.
I have two more but.

516
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,280
Yeah, yeah.
I was going through some of

517
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:50,280
these kind of changing, changing
channels a little bit since

518
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,120
changing the pet parents mindset
is really part of this whole

519
00:35:54,120 --> 00:36:01,240
transition into a different
paradigm thinking when, how did

520
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:05,280
you, how would you coach pet
parents or what would you tell

521
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,200
them that they can ask their vet
if they're if like a lot of

522
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,160
times, you know, they go to a
vet's office and they are just,

523
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,680
they have 5 minutes to meet with
you or whatever.

524
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,920
It's a very short period of time
and there's not a whole lot of

525
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,800
talk time to talk into deeper
issues or conversations.

526
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,600
Then a lot of pet parents just
feel overwhelmed and they feel

527
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,680
pressured and rushed.
But I think a lot of them would

528
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,920
really like to know how to ask
questions to slow things down

529
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,520
and and make it make it like,
talk to me like a layperson

530
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,440
instead of a doctor with your
lingo and terminology and all

531
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,600
this.
What kind of guidance would you

532
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:52,640
give pet parents to help them
make those appointments the most

533
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,760
effective and helpful for them?
I'm so glad you asked that

534
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,040
question, Pam, because I have a
whole handout on that and it's

535
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:07,760
based on C3 based on using
conscious class communication

536
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:13,440
with your with your vet.
And the reason I'm doing this

537
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,320
right now is a lot of people are
missing this at the end of the

538
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:24,840
preface is that QR code scan.
The QR code gets you all of the

539
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,440
extra resources that go along
with book, one of which is they

540
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,200
hand out about how to get these
answers from you.

541
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:38,960
But think then it comes down to
the individual pet parent and

542
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,400
are they empowered because a lot
of us can go to the vet and vet

543
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,680
use all the stuff at us and we
say thank you and leave and

544
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,440
then.
We don't ask questions.

545
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,600
Yeah, but if you have a vet
where you have to do what they

546
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,840
say right away and act right
away, then it may be time to

547
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,600
find a new vet.
If you need a vet that's

548
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,720
respectful, that's not, you
know, can be based on it's my

549
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:10,120
way or the highways.
Having an open mind is the basis

550
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,160
of science.
And a veterinarian is supposed

551
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,760
to be a scientist.
Scientist non molecular biology

552
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:22,520
off veterinary medicine.
Scientist writing rules for

553
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,320
things that are reproducible and
teachable.

554
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,960
Ask your fad.
No, tell me exactly.

555
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,320
Don't, don't, don't.
Sometimes I just say OK, good,

556
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,600
now we need to get that
antibiotic.

557
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,880
Then I go home and decide what
to do.

558
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,160
I think this topic is has become
even more difficult for pet

559
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,840
parents to tackle since so much
of veterinary medicine has

560
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,200
become corporatized and most
people today, I would be willing

561
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,640
to bet, don't see the same
doctor for their pet each time

562
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,400
they go in.
And so there aren't

563
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,840
relationships being built and
that just makes things so much

564
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,320
more difficult.
For sure.

565
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,680
Yeah.
And those are those

566
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,520
relationships.
That connection is exactly what

567
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,320
the different fact that you see
every time.

568
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,200
They don't know your animal.
You know your animal better than

569
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,520
any any veterinarian.
And why do implore people, even

570
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,800
if they're in a huge corporate
practice, request the same

571
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,920
veterinarian each time?
You can ask.

572
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,600
They're not going to give it to
you if you don't ask.

573
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,640
I'm so glad you said that that
you brought that up, Jessica and

574
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,720
Doctor Feynman, your answer is
ask.

575
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:48,400
And it is about empowerment.
And you know, we we try to

576
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:52,760
convey to our community that you
are your pets advocate.

577
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,680
You're their voice.
They don't have one now they

578
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,480
present with quote UN quote
problems, but you are doing the

579
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,200
speaking for them.
And you know, they're so

580
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:08,800
susceptible just as we are, as
you know, humans.

581
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,040
And I think again, the
awakening.

582
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,920
I think we're seeing more and
more people questioning things,

583
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,520
which questioning is always
good.

584
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:25,080
Questioning is how we discover.
And would you say, Pam, learn,

585
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,280
learn.
Yes, we discover, we learn and

586
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:37,440
we improve hopefully because it
goes back to the old, you know,

587
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,360
saying about if you always do
what you've always done, you're

588
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,080
always going to get what you
always got.

589
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,680
And if it were working, no
matter if you're in a corporate

590
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,800
veterinary environment, I think
now statistically speaking, it's

591
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,960
75% of all veterinary clinics
are corporate owned because, you

592
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,520
know, private equity money has
discovered that, oh, we can

593
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:10,000
create a funnel and a script and
a process for everything and we

594
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,120
can monetize it.
It's disgusting.

595
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,840
It's.
But that's the way the world

596
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,200
and.
It is the way of the world, but

597
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,680
we're talking to the disruptors.
Well, that's where I was going

598
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,400
with that.
It's the way of the world.

599
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,800
But we know there's a lot better
in different way.

600
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,800
But what we're talking about
fundamentally is the corporate

601
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,960
mindset and point of view, the
money, money, money or the

602
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,560
kinship worldview.
What is the kinship worldview?

603
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,160
The kinship worldview is same
worldview that the Native

604
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,480
Americans First Nation upward,
they all share.

605
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,280
It's all that we're all kin,
we're all related.

606
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,400
We're all connected by that
energy of love.

607
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,720
And there's a a fantastic book
called Restoring the kinship

608
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,760
worldview.
It's a bunch of scientists from

609
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,320
all around the world just
putting it all together in the

610
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:16,200
way that that we could restore
that and maybe still have

611
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,080
corporate America, just not the
divide getting bigger and bigger

612
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,760
and bigger the way it is right
now.

613
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,000
And you're right.
I mean, you're 100% right.

614
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,080
It's going to come from the pet
parents, not can come from the

615
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,000
veterinary model works.
It's working.

616
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,480
That's getting rid of symptoms.
I'm making money, So what more

617
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,320
can you ask?
Yeah, it's when it comes back.

618
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,120
You know, if that were working
well, it would the things would

619
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,000
not keep coming back.
And I think on putting, going

620
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,920
back to what can pet parents do
differently in order to get a

621
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,400
different result and hopefully a
better result.

622
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,120
I like the three CS.
And so they can help guide that

623
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,360
conversation when by taking the
tools that you know, you're

624
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,080
teaching them and you're
providing in your book, they can

625
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,480
take that and apply it to their
appointments.

626
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,320
And I'm I, I would be willing to
bet they'd get a completely

627
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,000
different experience and
outcome.

628
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,320
And I I would agree.
And even they're thinking about

629
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,800
this before the visit is going
to change the outcome because

630
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,680
the energetic vibration is going
to be different on their end.

631
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,440
However, and you know this
better than than I am sure you

632
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,320
know, most vets are overwhelmed.
They've got information.

633
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,960
We graduate, their heads are
full and we're just going to do

634
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,160
we have to do to pay back our
student loans.

635
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,800
And yeah, more and more clinics
you're now becoming

636
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,080
corporatized, but you still can
find, you know, break down the

637
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,280
road for me as a mom and pop
actually just pop.

638
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,840
But you know what services, you
know, the whole the whole area.

639
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,600
And he's just a non corporate
veterinarian.

640
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,320
So yeah, we have a great article
on holistic actions on choosing

641
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,640
your veterinarian.
Fuck your veterinarian.

642
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,120
I think it's a
holisticactions.com just forward

643
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:20,960
slash us select have select a
holistic veterinarian and that's

644
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,200
holistic bringing us back to the
conversation that we started

645
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,840
with.
That's what holistic with an H

646
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,360
doesn't necessarily mean.
There are holistic veterinarian

647
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,200
with the West.
That's so true.

648
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,040
That is so true.
Because Jess or whoever said

649
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,200
that we're fixing, we're getting
rid of symptoms with stop and

650
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,040
foods in lieu of drugs.
That's the holistic way.

651
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,720
But the holistic way is we've
adopted this, this other

652
00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:55,760
energetic paradigm that we're
talking.

653
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,360
I want to ask something totally
different if you don't mind.

654
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,160
This is not a question we sent
to you, but since it kind of it

655
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:08,320
came up, I'm curious.
I'm genuinely curious your your

656
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,160
thought on this because you said
the current veterinary model is

657
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,840
working and as far as as
privatized investment and

658
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,680
corporations are concerned, it
is working.

659
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:22,360
Like you said, they're
suppressing the symptoms and

660
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,440
they're making money and the
dogs and the cats coming right

661
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,920
back in because we're just
suppressing the symptoms and

662
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:32,320
they just keep making money.
But where my mind went with this

663
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,640
and it is working right now.
I totally agree with you.

664
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,440
My mind went with this.
Just since the introduction of

665
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,320
kibble, we have seen in some
breeds, their lifespan is half

666
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,600
of what it used to be before the
introduction of kibble.

667
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,320
And let's, and I'm just calling
out Kibble, even though there's

668
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,200
so many other factors, vaccines
and toxins in the environment,

669
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,120
like all the things are so many
factors, but that is a statistic

670
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,720
that we can actually look at
like cancer rates are

671
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,440
astronomical and lifespan is
drastically shortened.

672
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,040
And if it continues this way,
then I think it's no longer

673
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:16,160
going to be a profitable model
because the the model is to keep

674
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,480
them sick because then they keep
coming back.

675
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,560
But if we're killing them,
that's not a profitable model.

676
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,040
When it gets shorter and
shorter.

677
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,600
Yeah.
I'm just curious your thought on

678
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:27,600
that.
Oh, you're muted?

679
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,600
No.
Audio I had went to something

680
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,440
where totally different when you
just brought that up Jessica and

681
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,240
I'm just going to hold that for
an off camera conversation.

682
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,920
Oh, no, I want to hear it.
But when you give what I said

683
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,280
was when you use the wrong
metric, you get the wrong

684
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,440
answer.
And if we're using the metric of

685
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,840
getting rid of symptoms and
yeah, we I can get we already

686
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,800
have lifespans producing chronic
disease rise.

687
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:04,280
I mean, it's so freaking clear.
I mean, I give a talk at a big

688
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,240
training center about a decade
ago and owner of the center

689
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,720
worked for new feed breeder,
Newfoundland dog, you know,

690
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:19,440
breeder back in the 50s big dogs
that left now what, 8910?

691
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:26,160
They were 1718 routinely and
they this is the argument they

692
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:33,720
ate that same kibble but they
also had mixture of fresh foods.

693
00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:40,040
I think that's key right there
is for building up the vitamin

694
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:45,520
V, vitamin V, vitamin vitality,
you know, the vitality and that

695
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,200
we need to survive.
That's in fresh food, but not in

696
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,200
processed food.
That's really Kimmel happens to

697
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,280
be at the lowest level.
Well, now it used to be what

698
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,720
they called the lowest level.
Now I call hydrolyzed foods

699
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,600
lowest level.
That's a.

700
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,560
Good point of devitalized foods.
Yeah, they're not readily

701
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,320
available, but they're there,
and they're more and more

702
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,240
Debian.
Bermina was feeding a hydrolyzed

703
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,120
food because I think you may
have IBD.

704
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:19,280
But anyway, yeah, processed
food, Kimble, hydrolyzed food,

705
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,720
fresh food.
We know there's a direct

706
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,000
correlation between the more
processed food you eat as a

707
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,560
person or an animal, the sicker
you get, the more recurrent

708
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,440
issues you get.
And no, I don't think Jess,

709
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:42,880
we're going to get to the point
in in our lifetimes where we're

710
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,440
going to reach the point of
dementia returns where the Corp

711
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,680
model is going to realize that
maybe there's another model out

712
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,240
there.
So what is happening are places

713
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:59,400
like Mars seeing that pet
parents are really starting to

714
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,080
feed fresh food.
So what was their first step by

715
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,560
up of fresh food manufacturer?
Yes, great.

716
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,240
I mean, if we can get the if we
can get them behind this, that's

717
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:18,120
all we need really is 11
billionaire to fund a, you know,

718
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:22,600
a project like this.
We could we could change, you

719
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,480
know, fat Med.
This is all really comes down to

720
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:33,200
to funding, and we don't get
funding to do the studies to

721
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,240
prove that what we're talking
about is real companies that

722
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:43,800
give us the funding have started
that there's some other model

723
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,000
that's better and that is the
model of drugs, you know?

724
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:50,280
Yeah.
Well, I know on that topic.

725
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,040
And Pam, remind me to talk to
you about this later, because

726
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:59,400
Ryan Yamka and Farmer's Dog
recently published a paper, Yes,

727
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:05,640
on fresh food versus extruded,
showing the benefit that's very,

728
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:09,240
very recent that just happened.
So that's a win, even though I

729
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:15,280
may not be the hugest fan of
Fireworks Dog, but it's it's a

730
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,960
win.
It's a step in the right

731
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:22,200
direction towards.
Exactly, exactly.

732
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,760
I mean, a decade ago, if you
want to use that and you talked

733
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,080
about French fruit feeding, you
might have been kicked out of

734
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:35,360
practice because it was so far
from, you know, the prescription

735
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,280
dyes.
But now it's very, very, very

736
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:44,320
common and growing whether it's
cooked or raw.

737
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,440
Nope.
There's just so many ways to do

738
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,600
and that's, I'm sorry, but that
nutritional stuff is all great

739
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,080
info.
But that complexity is bringing

740
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,600
this further and further from
simplicity of 1.

741
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,760
It is, it is.
And, and you know, for me, any

742
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:12,160
path a pet parent finds to come
to what are, are the original

743
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,720
modalities that are considered
now alternative modalities.

744
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:21,440
You know, I, I would hope there
are enough of us to like welcome

745
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,880
those people into whatever lane
they are coming over in, whether

746
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,480
it's nutrition or supplements
or, you know, no sods instead of

747
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:33,080
vaccine or whatever.
It may be that there are enough

748
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,720
of us to be able to talk about
any of these different

749
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:40,880
modalities to to help their pets
and continue to convert them

750
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,800
over onto.
I don't want to say our side,

751
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:51,360
but it seems like it's our side.
Sometime reality bring them back

752
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,440
into the Now bring them back
into the because the answer

753
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,840
janitor.
How do you get that person

754
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:02,480
change when they see the change
in their animals, when they see

755
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,360
the reality of what happens when
they practice that in this

756
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,920
protocol for two weeks?
Wait a minute, stop ditching.

757
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,120
I don't get it.
But you can explain that there

758
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,840
is a science back framework
behind this.

759
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,720
But doesn't matter, just do it.
I guess that's my advice.

760
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:30,240
Just do it just.
Pam, Janet Dyer there if you

761
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,120
have any other questions that
you want to ask Doctor Feynman.

762
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,600
I have one last question, but
Pam, do you want to go first?

763
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,080
Mine is geared toward the
veterinary community.

764
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,440
Yeah, go for it.
We might have the same one.

765
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,880
OK.
It's just regarding, you know,

766
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,240
those that have chosen the what
I consider a noble path, you

767
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:53,320
know, caring for pets.
So practitioners, veterinarians

768
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,040
as well, if they're listening
and they're feeling that pull in

769
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,640
the tug towards going towards a
more integrative or even

770
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:10,880
holistic path, what 1 courageous
first step would you recommend

771
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,800
that they take?
What's your advice?

772
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,640
The answer is going to be very
unsatisfying to you because the

773
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:22,360
answer is it depends hands on
what is that individual willing

774
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:26,960
to read a book willing to read a
book, then I would say read you

775
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:31,320
know what Don Hamilton about
homeopathy or any anything that

776
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:36,640
expands their their current
knowledge base that a read.

777
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,280
It's a new book by the
neurosurgeon.

778
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:45,240
It's not even that new anymore,
but he had a one week coma where

779
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:48,360
he was brain dead, but he
remembered the whole thing.

780
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,360
And you know, then goes into
explaining why it's all related

781
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:57,840
to alignment and that the more
we align with the reality of

782
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,040
life and the afterlife where we
can, the better we can make

783
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:04,200
decisions.
So the one thing I would say

784
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,280
will depend on the individual.
Most people, let's say, read a

785
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:13,080
book.
There's, there are books like

786
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:19,800
Kent's lectures on homeopathic
philosophy, very, very easy to

787
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:27,200
read and it gives you a whole
new perspective on health and

788
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,200
life.
Or go way down.

789
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,920
You know, if they're not able to
do anything, then all we ask is

790
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,920
to open their minds a little
bit.

791
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,640
Do what you said at the
beginning and ask, ask, ask that

792
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,400
question.
Kindle that natural curiosity

793
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:49,000
that drove many of us to be
veterinarians in the 1st place.

794
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,960
We were naturally curious about
why our analysts did what they

795
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,760
did, or why life was the way it
was.

796
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,000
Thank you.
That's probably a really great

797
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,840
thought to end on and.
I agree.

798
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,960
Yeah, I was.
Being open minded, Yeah, see

799
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,200
open minded.
Dr. Feynman, can you show us

800
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,600
your book one more time?
Sure.

801
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,680
And I.
Tell us where it's available.

802
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,800
Anywhere you buy.
Books, okay.

803
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:23,360
If you put a
holisticactions.com/book gives

804
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:29,600
you a bunch of different options
and then scan that QR code, we

805
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:34,400
have 10 hours of video diving
deeper into the book.

806
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:40,640
People from around the world,
there is guide to what you can

807
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,000
do with your vet, a ton of other
things.

808
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,200
But Jenna, I also wanted to read
quote that begins.

809
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,920
There's a bunch of quotes in the
book.

810
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,960
Quote that begins the book.
We cannot solve our problems

811
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,560
with the same thinking we used
when we created them.

812
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,280
Yes.
And you said that.

813
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,040
Yes, that was it.
Einstein said that.

814
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:05,760
Awesome.
That's perfect.

815
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,200
Perfect.
Yes, Doctor Feynman, we

816
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,560
appreciate you so very much.
I'm so looking forward to

817
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:16,320
reading this book.
My TBR pile is, is large, I'm

818
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,400
not going to lie, but I, I
definitely it's, it's going

819
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,360
closer to the top because.
Yes, it it it's.

820
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,480
It's definitely for me
triggering something that has

821
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,760
been kind of swirling around in
my brain for the past couple of

822
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:35,280
months anyway.
And that is that reconnection

823
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:44,520
with nature And it, it's
certainly been adjusting the

824
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,920
people I bring on the podcast
and the things that I talked

825
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,920
about.
And I've, I've been in this like

826
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,720
phase of, of kind of remolding
the education that I'm even

827
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:56,360
putting out.
And that's kind of where I've

828
00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,440
been going.
So I appreciate you so very

829
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,760
much.
Thank you for being here with us

830
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,120
today.
And holisticactions.com where

831
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,040
you can find
everythingholisticactions.com/book

832
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,600
if you want to go directly to
how you can find the book.

833
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,280
So thank you so much.
Thank you.

834
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:15,440
Thank.
You.

835
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,080
Thank you, Doctor Feynman.
Great.

836
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,000
See.
Y'all all right guys, give your

837
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,440
pets some extra love from all of
us this week and we will talk to

838
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,160
you next time.
Sounds good.

839
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:30,120
Have a blessed.
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840
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:33,040
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841
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