Positive Reinforcement Dog Training: Why It’s the Gold Standard with Teoti Anderson

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Welcome back pet parent.
Today's episode is, I can

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already tell, going to be one of
my favorites.

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So you already know that I have
been very intentional.

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I have not had very many dog
trainers on and honestly, that's

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just because I don't know who to
trust.

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There are so many dog trainers
out there.

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Most of them aren't accredited
even.

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And that's not to say that they
can't still be good dog

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trainers, but I am very, very
particular about the methods

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that are used in dog training.
And I don't want to accidentally

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promote somebody whose methods
that I'm not going to be

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comfortable with if you go off
and try to learn from this

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person.
So recently I had the

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opportunity to speak at the
Texas Pet Sitters Conference and

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a fellow speaker, Tod Anderson,
who is here with us today

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presented.
And I got to learn a little bit

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from her and learn a little bit
about her.

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And I was like, you know what?
I actually think I can trust you

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to bring you on your podcast.
So welcome, Tione, How are you

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doing today?
I'm good and I'm honored.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

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It was wonderful meeting you at
the Texas Pet Centers

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Association.
That was a great group, a great

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crowd.
Everybody wanted to learn and it

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was lovely meeting you as well.
Thank you.

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It was a great group and I
think, you know, I brought your

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slides up in my talk so much
just because I felt like there

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was so much like connection and
overlap and I really wanted to,

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I mean one I think that's good
anyway.

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I think like for speakers to be
paying attention to other

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speakers and, and, and to be
kind of bringing it all together

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for the attendees, but to for
the attendees, like I wanted

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them to understand how
interconnected this all is.

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And so I was really, really
excited that you were not like,

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leave me out of it.
Welcome to the Pet Parenting

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Reset podcast.
If you're new here, my name is

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Jess and this is a space where
we talk about all things health,

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span and quality of life for
your pets and you too.

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I'm so excited that you're here.
Let's dive in.

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Let me just do my thing.
I think.

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But it yeah, there was there was
so much that you talked about

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that was just right on the nose.
I really appreciated everything

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you said.
One of the things we will get to

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today, I'm going to ask you to
talk about it.

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But before we get there, I what
I really want to know from you

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to start out is not just like
how you got into dog training,

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but how you have stayed in dog
training for as long as you

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have.
Because bless your heart.

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That's a great question.
No one's ever asked me that

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before my industry and I'm going
to go ahead and apologize right

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off the bat to your pet parents
for my industry.

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My industry is not regulated and
so anyone can call themselves a

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dog trainer and it is very
frustrating for pet parents

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because they will hire a dog
trainer and get some advice and

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maybe the dog gets worse and
then they have to hire another

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dog trainer who tells them the
first dog trainer was full of

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malarkey and we have to do
things differently.

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It's kind of going to like
multiple dentists or multiple

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healthcare practitioners that
tell you 50 different things and

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it can be frustrating.
So it's really important to do

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your research when you choose,
you know someone to to help you

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train your dogs.
But one of the reasons that

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that's also difficult is that
because we have a lot of

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turnover, people get into this
industry because they love dogs

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and they want to save dogs and
they want to work with dogs and

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then they just cycle out.
You know, sometimes it's a

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matter of life.
You know, people get married and

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have kids and don't have time,
that kind of thing.

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Or sometimes it's just burnout.
I think one of the main reasons

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why I have been at this oh so
long, for over 30 years, is that

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I like people and I enjoy
working with people.

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I enjoy working with families,
both human and canine, and

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watching them connect and
watching them communicate with

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each other and learn to live
Better Together.

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And I think some people go into
this profession, as with other

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dog professions, because they
love the dogs, but the people

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drive them nuts.
And the people are the harder

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part of the equation, don't get
me wrong, but I really enjoy

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working with people and, and I
think that that's probably

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what's lasted for so long.
I have a passion for what I do.

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I love what I do and I still
love it.

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And I have always said that the
day I don't love what I do and

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the day that I stop learning,
the day I think I know it all,

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someone who's very close to me
needs to slap me and tell me to

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get out of the business.
It hasn't happened yet, so it

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was still here.
I love so much that you said

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that because that is so
incredibly true that most people

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get into any pet industry,
including like veterinarians,

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because they love pets so much.
And that burnout happens so much

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quicker when you realize you
have to deal with people to get

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to the pets.
Yes, exactly.

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Exactly.
And that's probably why I do

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this, because I'm, I'm not going
to lie, like I, I, I dipped my

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toes in dog training and I very
quickly realized that I couldn't

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deal with the people.
Not because I don't like people,

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but because these particular
people don't want to do what

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you're telling them to do.
And then they complain that

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they're not getting the results
they want.

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And that is just makes me want
to pull my hair out.

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I had that happen today,
younger.

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I think I was offended more
like, why aren't they listening

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to me?
We should do what I do, what I

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tell you to do.
That's hubris and you know,

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arrogance when you're younger,
the arrogance of youth.

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Today.
I basically tell people the

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consequences.
So I had a lovely couple with a

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little puppy and they haven't
had a puppy in 12 years.

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So I do believe there is a
chemical that is released into

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your body that makes you forget
what puppyhood was like.

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When you have the benefit and
the blessings of an old dog, old

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dogs are the best.
But I gave them the lecture on

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this, that house training and
things like that.

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And I show up today for a follow
up and they hadn't done half of

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what I said.
And in fact, they were very

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well.
The husband was very opposed to,

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for example, crate training.
And I said, OK, you can be

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opposed to it, but you're not
going to get the same results.

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So I'm going to give you
instructions.

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And if you don't follow the
instructions, you can't cherry

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pick those instructions and only
the ones that you you choose to

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do because the results will
vary.

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So let's say you wanted
directions to a restaurant.

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We're going to meet at a
restaurant and I give you

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specific directions on how to
get to that restaurant and you

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choose to follow half of them.
You'll end up somewhere, but it

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won't end up at that restaurant.
So you can do whatever you like.

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I'm not going to lose any sleep
over it.

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I, I can't, That's how burnout
happens.

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But if you complain about the
lack of results, I'm going to

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point this back out to you.
You know, I'm just going to say,

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well, you know, I told you to do
this and this and you didn't.

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There's, there's not a magic
wand here.

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And I found that that approach
is a lot healthier for everybody

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involved because it gives them
the autonomy to make those

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choices for their dogs, but it
also teaches consequences

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because life is full of them.
Oh my gosh, that's so true.

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So tell me a little bit about.
I mean, I already have like 5

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questions from what you just
said, but before I like dive

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into any one of those, tell me a
little bit about how you work as

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a dog trainer.
And let me just preface that by

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saying I have been pretty vocal
in the past about not liking

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like board and train programs
or, and, and I, I think that you

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do something similar, but not
what I don't like.

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I don't like when people take
like adult dogs and just slip

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them off for weeks at a time,
have no idea what's going on and

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they get them back.
And I will tell you I the reason

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that I don't like this so much
is because I was bit by a dog

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who went to a board and trained
program, who was trained on a

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shock collar and then became so
aggressive, the owner couldn't

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handle them.
The owner didn't tell me this

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dog was food aggressive, gave me
a treat to give the dog and we

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both got bit.
And it wasn't, it was, it was,

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it was so bad.
And anyway, it was the third

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time this dog had bitten
somebody and it was just, it

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was, it was the most horrible
experience I think I've ever had

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with a dog in my life.
Because she ended up having to

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let him go because it was his
third bite and blah, blah, blah,

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all the things.
But I have really really like

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bad emotional attachments to
board and training.

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I will try to be respectful of
your trouble.

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But I want to know like, because
what what I kind of garnered

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from some of the things you do
is you do have similar type

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programs, but I don't think
you're doing that.

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I don't think you're doing this
like I'm the AA roll, like shot

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caught, like you're not doing
any of that stuff.

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No, when I first started
training again, ancient times I

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should have more Gray than I do
is that I learned with choke

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chains and prong collars because
that's what our great

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grandparents did.
And you know, you just did what

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you did.
And the more I got involved in

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training on a day-to-day basis
and the more I started working

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with a different variety of
dogs, I realized that I wasn't

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getting the results that I
wanted and that there had to be

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something missing.
And I didn't even know what it

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was.
But I knew something wasn't

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working and I started attending
the Association of Professional

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Dog Trainers conferences,
national conferences, to learn

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more.
And I learned that there was a

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lot more information available
to me outside my little

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community and I got more and
more involved.

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I soaked it all up like a
sponge.

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I started studying under a bunch
of different people and it all

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snowballed into the the the
happy mess that I am today.

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But I left those tools behind
ages ago because I have greater

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success using positive
reinforcement and across a wider

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spectrum of dogs.
If you have an aggressive dog

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and you use aggression to train
it, you make more aggression.

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99% of the aggression cases that
I work, and I do work aggression

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cases, some very dangerous dogs,
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Have I met a few dogs who were
just jerks?

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Yes, yes I have.
But for the most part, most

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aggression is based in fear, and
if a dog is afraid and you're

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punishing it, you're convincing
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It was right all along to be
afraid because you're just

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making things worse.
That's whether you're doing in

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homes or a board and train.
Aggression is not best dealt

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with in a board and train
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So to backtrack and answer your
question, I do in home lessons,

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I go to people's homes, I do
Zoom lessons.

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I have clients all over the
country and out of the country

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of Canadian clients and
different clients everywhere and

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we do board and train.
Our board and train program is

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different.
There are tons of board and

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train programs out there and I
share your opinion of them.

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I've written articles about
this.

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The main problem is they're used
for dogs that are not

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appropriate.
We don't accept every dog into

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our program.
We just don't.

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Also, they don't involve the
people, so I will have someone

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who says I got, We have a super
puppy university and we take the

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puppy between 8:00 and 9:00
weeks and we raise it for the

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first month as if it's on our
own.

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It sleeps in our bedroom in the
crate.

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I train it in the house with the
blender going and the dishes and

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all that stuff and you get a
fully trained puppy.

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We get people who want that
program because it sounds very

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convenient, very fast food drive
through and we tell them their

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responsibilities.
They have to come once a week

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for lessons because it doesn't
do them any good if the puppy

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only listens to me.
And the people who don't want

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that, we don't take into the
program.

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And we're very lucky.
We're South Florida's oldest

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positive dog training company, a
dog's best friend, and we can

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cherry pick our customers.
You know, we're not young and

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struggling and starting out, but
if you're not going to

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participate, you're not going to
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And unfortunately I get called a
lot of times after they've been

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through a program where they got
a little video at the end that

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showed them the dog trained, but
they were never taught how to

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get the dog to do what the
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And what good is that?
The dog dog's good for like 3

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days and then just completely
devolves into a little happy

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mess.
And so it it's not, it's not

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useful, but there are a lot of
programs out there that will

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sell themselves quite a lot of
money as well on that.

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And that's not how we choose to
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very successful.
It you're right, because that

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was what I found is that dog
training is so much more about

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people training than anything
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Because if, if the person who is
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who is responsible for that dog
doesn't know how to interact,

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doesn't know how to read the
dog's body language, doesn't

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know how to ask for what they
want, not just tell it what they

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don't want, then you're not
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And that brings me to one of the
things that you said in at the

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conference was that it doesn't
matter, doesn't matter.

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You can tell your dog no, as
much as you want, but like what,

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what do you want your dog to do?
Because that's what that's the

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kind of instruction they need.
And I think that's true for

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humans as well.
But, you know, just trying to

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get that across to people
because I did I, that was 100%

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of the people that contacted me
were like, I don't want my dog

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to X great.
What do you want them to do?

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Right.
And they're like.

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Oh, I never.
Thought of that.

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Well, we can't leave it to them
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So we take an animal that pees
and poops and digs and chews on

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things and destroys things and
and barks and move around and

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then we bring it into our homes
and say we don't want you to do

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any of those things, those
things that are natural to your

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species.
We're not.

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That's that's really
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We want you to be different.
Well, the dog's natural

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inclination is to do those
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So if you just tell it, don't,
it's going to come up with

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another idea and it's never
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especially with the puppy.
Puppy Miss Puppies make terrible

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decisions, terrible decisions.
They're horrible decision

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makers.
They put everything in their

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mouth, whether it's delicious or
poison, they don't care.

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So we can't leave it up to them
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It's like putting a bunch of
toddlers in charge of, you know,

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something, you know, let's put
on a show or let's let's, you

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know, go down to the DMV and
there's a bunch of new toddlers.

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You can't do that.
So instead of just yelling at

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your dog and getting frustrated
for it, doing all these natural

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dog like things, we can give
them alternate behaviors.

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They don't automatically know
what they are and just because

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you say the words come sit, they
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Those have to be taught.
And once you give those dogs

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alternate, alternate behaviors,
they become a lot easier to live

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with.
And they probably think it's a

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lot easier to live with us
because we're better

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communicators.
I also think it's important that

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we still give them outlets to do
all those things that they still

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have to be.
Dogs.

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Yes, and that's something I
remember telling multiple

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people, like if you want your
dog to be a robot, I'm not a

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person.
Don't.

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I'm I'm not helping you.
That's not dogs are not robots.

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No, they're not.
Like get a stuffed animal, get a

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fish.
I don't know, just do something

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that isn't a dog.
And because they do, they do

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have so many needs that even
the, the best of us don't.

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One of the things I'm learning
in this like because I'm just

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like you, where if I'm not
learning something every single

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day, and then that was a wasted
day in my opinion.

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But even, like even with all of
the things I have learned about

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health and, and holistic health
and trying to care for my pets

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more naturally, I'm still
constantly learning.

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And I'm, I'm finding myself in
this place right now where it's

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like the simplest of things.
Like how are we not thinking

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about the fact that we have a
circadian rhythm?

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They have a circadian rhythm.
Like they should be out in the

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sunlight, just like we should be
out in the sunlight.

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The air needs to be clean, the
water needs to be clean.

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Like frequencies matter.
And just kind of getting back to

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like a more natural life, but
obviously they, they still have

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to live in a home with us, but
having these outlets for them

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where they get to be a dog,
having, you know, sniff walks

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and having not every walk has to
be regimented and, and right.

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Can you talk to me a little bit
more about how people can buy

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these enrichment like activities
while still maintaining like the

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boundaries that we need to
actually have them live in the

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homes with us, right I.
Think that it's, it's a great

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topic because people want a well
behaved dog, but they, they are

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dogs.
And also depending on the breed

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of dog you get, these breeds are
predisposed, predisposed,

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predisposed by people by the way
we put them together.

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We created breeds.
You know, it started out as a

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wolf, although there's some
debate about that, too.

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And then we made them into pugs
and Shih Tzus and, you know,

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golden doodles, That's what we
did.

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But breeds are predisposed to do
certain things.

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So it's very frustrating when
pet parents get angry at the

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breed for doing what it's bred
to do.

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If you bring home a Basset
Hound, expect some noise.

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They're going to Bay.
They're, they're going to, you

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know, whether or not they ever
see a rabbit, they're going to

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search for something and they're
going to Bay.

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My Labradors, I had Labradors
put everything in the mouth.

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They're bred to retreat, but I,
that doesn't mean I want them to

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retrieve everything.
But what I could do was teach

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them and give them an outlet.
They brought in my groceries,

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they would bring me the remote
control, they would fetch the

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keys.
I teach labs to bring all sorts

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of things.
If you want them to open the

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fridge and get you a beer, I can
do that for you.

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I can teach them how to do that
thing and it gives them

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something that makes your life
easier.

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Think of service dogs, right?
But it's still within the realm

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of of who that dog is.
But they have to have fun time.

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They have to have sniff time.
I have the client.

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It's a perfect example.
When you were talking, she's got

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a little Yorkie.
This Yorkie weighs 3 lbs, but

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she is a Yorkshire terrier.
And she was going after her

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mom's slippers and going after
her pants legs when she would

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put her pants on and she was
attacking things and not to be

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vicious.
She was playing.

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And I explained, I said, well,
she has to stop that.

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She's going to trip you up.
You're going to get hurt.

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She's going to rip your pants.
We can't have that.

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But she's a terrier.
She is bred to hunt and kill

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vermin.
You live in a beautiful home in

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Boca Raton where there are no
vermin, thank goodness.

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But she has to have an outlet.
So we got her a flirt pole.

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And I don't know if you've used
those.

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It's a A.
Tole with a cord and a little

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toy on the end and you flick it.
It's like a cat toy.

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And she chases the heck out of
that thing.

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She kills it and she shakes it
and it does a death.

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She does a death shake where she
shakes it and it squeaks and she

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kills it again.
And then we're not chasing the

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feet anymore.
We're not going after the pants

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anymore.
She has a healthy outlet that's

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perfectly acceptable and very
good for her.

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She gets nice and tired from
that, but you still can't go

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after these things.
You can go after this, you can't

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go after that.
It's giving her a choice that's

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suitable for her.
I love, I love that so much.

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So one of the things that I you
talked a little bit about some

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of the ways things have changed
since you started dog training,

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some of the good ways.
I think it you talked about that

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dog training has changed
especially for you specifically.

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Do you still have, are there
anything, any things that come

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up that you still have concerns
over?

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Yes, you asked great questions,
Jess 1 is that there's still a

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prevalence in punishment based
training when it there doesn't

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need to be.
And when I first started, I was

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one of the few in my community
that was positive based and it

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was a struggle.
People thought I was nuts like

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why do you want all so many
treats?

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What is that about?
Why are you?

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And then they saw the results I
was getting and then then

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business got better.
But also, there is a prevalence,

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and this is a personal soapbox,
that outdated information just

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hasn't been replaced at a rate
that is good for dogs.

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And I know that is in your field
as well, but for example, you

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should never take a puppy out of
the house before it's had all

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its shots.
Well, finishing vaccination

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schedules are usually at the age
of 16 weeks, but the critical

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socialization period for puppies
where they're making opinions

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about the world, ends at 12
weeks.

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And so I get called when the
puppy's 4 1/2 five months old,

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and I go in and the puppy is
afraid of everything.

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It's never seen a guy with a
leaf blower and it's never hurt

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a car before or a motorcycle or
a kid on a skateboard before.

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And now I'm behind because you
really can't reclaim that.

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And I have written about it,
I've lectured about it, I share

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this all the time.
And it's still out there from

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all sorts of professionals.
And there are ways to do it that

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are safe for the puppy without,
you know, you don't take them to

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a dog park, for heaven's sakes,
don't do that.

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Don't don't, you know, send them
into into a pet supply store,

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Don't do things like that.
But they have to be exposed at

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earlier rates.
So some of that information is

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still very frustrating because
it's still out there.

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And I find myself, wow, aren't
we past this yet?

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But we're not.
So I keep at it.

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Yeah.
Well, and I think too, I mean,

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if you ask me that it's way, way
more than 16 weeks because I, I

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tend to recommend if you spread
them in.

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Absolutely yes.
Yes, I tend to.

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Recommend a, a, a different
vaccination schedule if if we do

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that at all, because there are
actually other ways like no

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sodes and things like this that
we can, we can use with puppies

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to create immune responses in a
healthier way.

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But anyway, that's neither here
nor there.

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So it sounds like what my next
question was going to be.

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When somebody brings home a new
dog, what are the first couple

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of things you want them to be
focusing on before anything

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else?
If it's a puppy, of course you

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just said this socialization
period is much earlier in life

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than what most people realize,
but what are some other things?

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The the two I get most common
are house training and puppy

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mouthing.
Those are my top two of all the

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years of doing this, that those
are the ones that cause the most

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concern.
I always know I'm walking into a

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house with a new puppy because
they're either wearing long

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sleeves or they have bandages
all over their hearts from those

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little needle teeth.
So I think that those are the 2

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that are most easily addressed.
One thing that is often

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overlooked because it's not
sexy.

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It's not, you know, it's not a
dog making a mess on the floor

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that you're tired of cleaning up
or putting puncture holes in

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you.
It's husbandry behavior.

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It's being able to handle your
puppy and have the puppy enjoy

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the handling so that you can
take care of your puppy forever.

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I walked into a house once.
I may have told the story at

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Texas, I don't remember.
But the IT was a poodle and she

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called me in for loose leash
walking.

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The dog was pulling on leash and
I came in and the dog had this

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green goopy eye.
It looked awful.

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And I said look, I'm not a vet,
but your dog has a problem with

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their eye.
This is not normal.

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And she said, oh, I know he's
got a eye infection and I have

447
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to take him to the vet three
times a day to put in eye drops.

448
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,560
I said well why?
She was oh, he won't let me,

449
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,680
he'll bite me.
And I said, let's work on that

450
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,800
for forget the leash walking,
let's work on that.

451
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,440
And so many people don't know
that they actually have a

452
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,720
problem with handling their dog
until there's a problem.

453
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,400
And maybe that dog is 10, if
you're lucky, maybe that dog is

454
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,640
five, maybe that dog is older.
And so by then it's more

455
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,360
cemented.
So I always do handling

456
00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:01,280
exercises, fun, happy handling
exercises with puppies because I

457
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,240
want to be able to, you know,
open up their eyeballs and look

458
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,200
in their ears and go between
their their feet for ticks and

459
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,840
things like that.
And I want to be able to handle

460
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,080
them without them getting snarky
about it and with them enjoying

461
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,640
the experience.
That is definitely something

462
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,520
that is very overlooked with
with a lot of dogs.

463
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,520
You brought up before the fact
that aggression is fear and I

464
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,400
think that is something that
people really don't.

465
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,040
Most people really don't
understand.

466
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,600
How do you, how do you go about
explaining that?

467
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,000
How do you how do you teach that
to people so that they can

468
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,560
understand their dog better?
Well, I teach them that that

469
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,960
dogs have several ways to
communicate.

470
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,000
They're afraid.
Some are runners.

471
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,520
They're going to see something
that's scary and they're gone.

472
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,320
They're just they're just, you
know, good luck to you.

473
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,040
I'm going to leave you behind
and I'm just going to run home.

474
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,080
And you survived this encounter.
Some dogs will shut down.

475
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,720
It's like la, la, la, la.
Please let this nightmare be

476
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,440
over.
It's it's they will.

477
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,440
You know, the vet can do
anything to them.

478
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,760
The groomer can do anything to
them, but they're miserable the

479
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,600
entire time.
And then there are the best

480
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,600
defense is a good offense dogs,
and they're the ones that make

481
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:23,600
themselves loud and scary to
scare off what is coming at

482
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,080
them.
So if I scare you away first,

483
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,760
you can't hurt me.
And when a dog acts like that,

484
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,240
people don't understand that
it's fear.

485
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,040
But I can tell because of the
dog's body language.

486
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,440
And I'll start pointing it out.
I said I walked in here and your

487
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,840
dog barked at me and came at me,
but then backed up and then

488
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,560
barked and then backed up and
then hid behind you and then

489
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,400
came out and barked some more.
I said this is a dog that's

490
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,480
afraid.
If it was truly aggressive, it

491
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,120
would just be in my face coming
at me.

492
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:54,240
Nothing.
We wouldn't be conflicted like

493
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,760
that.
And I teach people a lot about

494
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,320
body language and how the fear
started so much earlier than

495
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,200
what they thought, so much
earlier than what they thought.

496
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:12,280
A dog that is tolerating guests
but doesn't engage with guests

497
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,320
is a dog that's already upset
about them being there.

498
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,120
And usually this builds and
builds and builds, especially

499
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,200
with puppies.
And then when the puppy hits

500
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,320
about 7 to 9 months old TV, they
start doing something about

501
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,920
they're like, all right, I've
been putting up with this crap

502
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,120
for seven months and these
people keep inviting people

503
00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:31,440
over.
I don't know why they keep doing

504
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,960
that, but I'm finally going to
lunge at somebody or I'm going

505
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,560
to nip somebody because I don't
like it.

506
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,800
Or a toddler's going to come at
them and get bit because the dog

507
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,880
was telling them all along they
were afraid, but people just

508
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:48,400
don't know what the dog is
saying so.

509
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,320
I have a couple of more
questions, but before I get to

510
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,840
them, I want to take advantage
of the fact that I have you and

511
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,480
talk to you a little bit about
my dog.

512
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:06,160
So my dog is 12 years old.
She is a mixed breed.

513
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,880
I did the Embark.
I don't know what you think

514
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,960
about those DNA tests, but I
think it's important to know

515
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,240
what breeds you're working with,
especially when you have no idea

516
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000
what they are.
And she has a ton of breeds in

517
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,320
her.
She looks like a terrier, but

518
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,960
Embark says she has no terrier
in her whatsoever.

519
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,040
Her two primary breeds are
poodle and Chihuahua.

520
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,400
OK.
Which is apparently very common

521
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,320
in Mexico, which is where she
came from.

522
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:36,000
I got her in San Diego and
because there are a lot of dogs

523
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,760
in San Diego that look like her
and we all come out of Mexico.

524
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,720
But anyway, she has never I I
adopted her around 2 1/2 years

525
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,080
old.
She, she was found out after we

526
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,880
adopted her from the rescue that
she was living in a house with

527
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,520
probably 10 or 12 other foster
dogs in Mexico and Tijuana.

528
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:05,360
And the person the foster was
bringing in, because it's, I

529
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,160
don't know if you don't know
much about it, at least what was

530
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,120
going on in Mexico, but getting
pet food from the US and New

531
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,560
Mexico was very difficult.
They have to take small amounts

532
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,960
at a time.
I don't know.

533
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,640
I don't know a whole lot about
it other than what the rescue

534
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,040
told me.
But he was only feeding these

535
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,440
dogs like the bare minimum and
selling the rest of the food

536
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,680
because it was profitable for
him to do so.

537
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,640
But I knew that she was already
like, we had a lot of work to

538
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,680
do.
Well, we had another dog at the

539
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,920
time.
She never got along with this

540
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,960
dog.
She tolerated this dog kind of

541
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,120
like you were just talking
about.

542
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,160
She tolerated this dog.
And when the other dog passed

543
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,240
away, she, I had her there
because I'm, I'm a firm believer

544
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,880
in, you know, animals
understanding these transitions

545
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,360
and needing to know what's
happening.

546
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,120
And so she was there when we had
to let the other dog go.

547
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,200
She, to be honest, acted like
she could care less, and I know

548
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,560
that's horrible to say that she
did.

549
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,680
She wanted.
Yeah, she wanted.

550
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,280
Nothing to do with it.
And I just let her do whatever

551
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:15,040
she wanted.
You know, she is very attached

552
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,120
to me and I will say I'm, I'm, I
am, I am part of the problem.

553
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,920
I know I'm part of the problem.
At any rate, she was very

554
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,680
attached to me when I, when I
got her, I did try to take her

555
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,120
out a lot.
We would go to, you know,

556
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,800
Michael's and Home Depot and do
all the things.

557
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,400
I would let her walk around in
the park.

558
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,120
But she has always been, she
doesn't like other dogs.

559
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,680
And I have tried to respect that
because I think there are some

560
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,480
dogs that don't like other dogs
and like there are people that

561
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,200
don't like other people.
So I don't try to, I don't try

562
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:53,840
to force her into situations.
A year ago, our situation

563
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,840
changed drastically and we have
had a lot of changes.

564
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,840
We moved from Texas to Virginia
staying with family and my

565
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:11,280
brother has a dog and this dog
is very sweet but does not

566
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,840
understand social constructs
whatsoever.

567
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,480
So this dog is just, he's in the
middle of everything and he gets

568
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,600
barked at constantly and he just
hasn't.

569
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:25,240
He's just like don't you don't.
You don't OK, so anyway, her

570
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,840
stress levels have been through
the roof and I know they've been

571
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,080
through the roof, but she has
gotten quite reactive lately to

572
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,880
the point where I am at a point
where I just I know I need to

573
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,920
change my behavior with her to
get her in a better place

574
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,040
because she is not happy.
And that's the that's the

575
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,400
ultimate like she's not happy.
And this is this is her

576
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,360
behaviors are acting out because
she's not happy.

577
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,280
So you might have more questions
but help me.

578
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,120
Well, I can't, I can't go into a
full diagnostic unless that's

579
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:06,520
what we do, of course.
But what you have is what's her

580
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,480
name?
Kimberly.

581
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:16,160
Kimberly.
So Kimberly, whatever happened

582
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,960
to Kimberly?
The 1st 12 weeks of her life

583
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,000
stamped her heart, her soul, and
her brain.

584
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,000
We have no idea.
But it doesn't sound like it was

585
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,360
good.
OK, doesn't sound like it was

586
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,000
good.
You also have one breed,

587
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,960
Chihuahua that has.
And I love chives.

588
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,440
I love them so don't.
People don't uprise me about

589
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:40,040
chives because I love them.
But Chihuahuas, very similar to

590
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,640
my Asian breeds, my Chows, my
Shiba Inus, my Kitas have a

591
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,640
limited circle of friends.
And the thing about Chihuahuas

592
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,960
especially is that when they
love you, they love you.

593
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,520
And everybody who has a Chai in
their heart sees that sweet,

594
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,120
funny, quirky, kissy, just
little smoosh bug.

595
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,720
And everybody outside of that
circle thinks that person's

596
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,760
crazy because they never see
that side of that dog.

597
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,320
And that's the Bree.
They're they're, they're,

598
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:14,400
they're not Labradors, you know,
they're not like high, complete

599
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,080
stranger.
You're my new bestie.

600
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,239
That's a Labrador.
That's what Labradors are

601
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,679
supposed to be like.
Chihuahuas are more like, if I

602
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,440
have an opening, I'll take your
resume.

603
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,199
Until then, I'm not, I'm not
interviewing anybody.

604
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:27,600
I'm good.
I'm good.

605
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,719
I've got Jess, I'm good.
I don't need anybody else.

606
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,120
It's also probably based in
insecurity and fear with the

607
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,040
other dog coming at her.
And there are lots of things

608
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,800
that you can do with the
knowledge that she's already 12.

609
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,520
Is it easier to fix at six
months?

610
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,560
Yes.
But for now, giving her her

611
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,719
space, not forcing her to be in
proximity to that other dog who

612
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,400
apparently has not learned how
to speak dog and just doesn't

613
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,760
accept that.
Well, here's the thing.

614
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,920
The other dog is optimistic.
Can we be friends now?

615
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,360
How about now?
I could do now.

616
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Is now better I could do now and
she's staying.

617
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,960
No, I'm not interested.
So giving you know, baby gates

618
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,920
are wonderful.
Having shifts where this dog is

619
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,280
out and it's not going to solve
your problem, but you need to

620
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,960
manage it anyway.
And giving her a safe space with

621
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,720
other dogs in the meantime would
be helpful.

622
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,840
But if I were to come and work
with you, what I would say is

623
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,840
we're going to start counter
conditioning and desensitization

624
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,440
all based in science to help her
get better.

625
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,720
I completely use that phrase all
the time.

626
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,680
We don't love everybody we need
either, right?

627
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,040
Some family doesn't tolerate
family well, right?

628
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,880
But my goal for these dogs is
that they learn to put, to

629
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,280
tolerate.
I don't need her to be besties

630
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,560
with that dog.
I don't need her to be besties

631
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,600
with everybody who she passes on
the street.

632
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,920
But could we not have a heart
attack about it?

633
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,640
And could we not be vocal about
it?

634
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,160
And can you look to me for help?
Because when a dog is going

635
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,800
outward, they're going get out
of my face, get out of my face.

636
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,440
They're taking matters into
their own paws.

637
00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:15,440
What I want to do is help train
them.

638
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,000
That mom, that dog's bothering
me.

639
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,840
Can you help me?
And you're like, I got this.

640
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,120
Because we're the ones supposed
to be helpful here.

641
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,920
I do believe it's never too late
to start.

642
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,560
I mean, we learn new things
every day, right?

643
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,280
But management in the meantime,
just don't try to as best as you

644
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,440
were able, just avoid those
possibilities.

645
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,760
And there are ways to give her
enrichment in a room or

646
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,200
somewhere that's separate with,
you know, stuffed toys,

647
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,400
interactive toys, things like
that, where she doesn't feel

648
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,960
like she's being banished or
punished in that regard.

649
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,800
Yeah.
Oh, she loves to play,

650
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,160
especially first thing in the
morning.

651
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,240
That's like, that's always been
our routine.

652
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:57,160
We get up in the morning, she
goes out to potty and then we

653
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,440
come in and she wants to play.
And I love that about her.

654
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,680
But I appreciate that.
Thank you.

655
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,640
And you brought up the word
desensitization.

656
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,160
And I would love for you to
explain to people, especially

657
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,200
any men listening.
And I say that with all the love

658
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,560
in my heart because I I have
just encountered more men who

659
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:22,960
have a hard time with this than
women.

660
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,960
But can you explain the
difference in desensitization

661
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,680
and flooding?
Oh my gosh, yes.

662
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,600
So, and I think I used this in
Texas too.

663
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:39,800
If you were terrified of spiders
or snakes or something and I

664
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,800
strapped you to a chair and
poured spiders, tarantulas all

665
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,680
over your snakes, that's called
flooding.

666
00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:51,480
It's too much at once.
And some people think, well,

667
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,720
that'll that you'll just get
used to it, won't you?

668
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,520
I can guarantee you if you did
that to me, I would never get

669
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,160
used to it and I would hate you.
So, So you you end up creating a

670
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,560
relationship rift with the
person who did it to you and it

671
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,000
doesn't make you love them
anymore.

672
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,280
It is a science, you know, it's
a psychology term flooding.

673
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,560
It's, it's being flooded with
something that you're terrified

674
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,720
of.
It's like being afraid of

675
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,920
heights and walking halfway
across a suspension bridge and

676
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,040
then you come to the fact that
you are, you can't you, you

677
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,760
can't go back and you can't go
forward because you're having a

678
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,720
panic mug.
It's it's too much.

679
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,400
Desensitization is better.
Desensitization is working under

680
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,000
threshold and getting used to
it, tolerant of something, and

681
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,800
then gradually increasing the
distance, shortening the

682
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,800
distance between you and the
monster until it's not a monster

683
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,320
anymore.
But desensitization is always

684
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,240
under threshold by threshold.
Threshold is the distance where

685
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,080
you notice the monster, but
you're not in fight or flight

686
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,520
yet.
And yes, with all love in our

687
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,800
hearts, men like to push it
more.

688
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,720
So I'll have a situation where
I'm working with a dog that is a

689
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,240
resource guarder, guarding food
or guarding the dog bowl or

690
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,760
guarding something.
And I'll give people specific

691
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,480
exercises.
And it's always going to be the

692
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,760
guy that just takes one step
closer or two steps closer.

693
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,520
And I think it's their nature.
It's their nature, but it

694
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,960
doesn't serve the dog.
It makes the dog realize they

695
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:27,440
were right all along.
And so, for example, I have a

696
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,880
dog that is scared of kids on
bikes, and I'll have a kid

697
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,080
riding a bike.
Recruit a kid to ride a bike

698
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,240
back and forth.
And I may have to work two

699
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,880
blocks away.
I may have to work across the

700
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,200
street.
Every dog gets to decide their

701
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,600
own threshold, and every time.
This is where counter

702
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,080
conditioning and desensitization
work together.

703
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Counter conditioning is changing
an emotional response to a

704
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,400
stimuli.
So here I get technical with

705
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:54,880
you.
Sorry.

706
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:04,520
If every time I eat a piece of
broccoli I get a Hershey's kiss,

707
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,360
I'm going to like broccoli
better because I'm not broccoli.

708
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,080
I'm just not.
But if every time I took a bite

709
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,640
I got to bite a piece of
chocolate, I'm going to start

710
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,160
looking forward to the broccoli
because that's when I get my

711
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,840
chocolate.
Right.

712
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,480
So if every time a dog looks at
whatever scares it and they get

713
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,600
a treat, it changes that
emotional response.

714
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:32,320
It says, I wish that kid on the
the bike would hang around more

715
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,600
because that's when I get cheese
puffs and that's when I get

716
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,680
freeze dried chicken and that's
when I get freeze dried liver

717
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,640
or, you know, a little piece of,
you know, something amazing.

718
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,240
Deli Turkey, Not too much deli
Turkey, too much salt, but you

719
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,440
know what I'm talking about
something amazing.

720
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,520
They start looking forward to
it, and then we gradually get

721
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,520
closer and closer until the dog
doesn't have that reaction

722
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,840
anymore.
And unfortunately, the dog gets

723
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,680
to decide, which can be very
frustrating.

724
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:03,000
I think, and, and I've found
it's also difficult initially

725
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,280
unless they have somebody like
you helping them decode where,

726
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:13,000
how to, how to spot when a dog
has hit their threshold because

727
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,560
it's not the lunge.
It's usually, and I, I found

728
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,320
this with so many dogs, not all
dogs, but so many dogs like

729
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,960
actually pause, even if it's for
a split second, they like, they

730
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,280
pause because they're trying to
make a decision And, but not all

731
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,760
dogs do that, but a lot of them
do.

732
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:35,720
And I'm that part of it.
Teaching the pet parent how to

733
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:42,320
decode with where that threshold
is is one of the more difficult

734
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,800
parts of that.
Yes, because sometimes it is

735
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,320
subtle.
Sometimes the dog is barking and

736
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,920
lunching.
And I told them, you know, dogs

737
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,880
have hundreds of ways to avoid
conflict.

738
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,480
And by the time they're biting
people, they've passed 99 of the

739
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,520
ways that they tried.
And it's our job to learn to

740
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,160
read them.
So I'll work.

741
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,640
Let's say I have a dog reactive
dog.

742
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,360
I'll go to a dog park and never
go in the park, but the problem

743
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,600
is that there's a law somewhere
that says if I have a dog

744
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,680
reactive dog and I have a one
hour lesson, we will never see

745
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,360
another dog during that lesson.
No matter where I am.

746
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,160
I have to go find the dogs.
So what I've learned is that

747
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,600
we'll go to a dog park and all
the dogs are contained within

748
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,440
the park and we work the parking
lot.

749
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,520
So we may start at the very edge
of the parking lot and we're

750
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,600
going to gradually work on our
desensitization and counter

751
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,480
conditioning.
Look at the dogs, get a treat.

752
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,600
Look at the dogs, get a treat
and move closer and closer.

753
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,320
OK, at one point the dog will
not be barking, the dog will not

754
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,040
be lunching, the dog will not be
growling or whining.

755
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,240
But they stopped taking treats
and the pet parent will and they

756
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,520
were able to say, well, he must
be full, Like, no, he's not.

757
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,080
I'd back up 10 feet, start it
again.

758
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,440
The dog eats like a pig.
It's because when you're

759
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,400
frightened, your body is not
hungry.

760
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,760
You know, when you're really
scared, you're not thinking,

761
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,960
gosh, I want pizza.
You don't do that.

762
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,120
Your, your, your stomach stops
working.

763
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,120
And so the dog is at that pause
like you're talking about, they

764
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,000
may freeze, they're pausing
going, this is a little much,

765
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,000
this is a little much.
And they, you know, they'll take

766
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,440
the treat and just spit it right
out or they'll just turn their

767
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,520
head away like, and I don't,
don't, I want that right now.

768
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,760
I'm really worried about that
dog behind the fence.

769
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,040
And as soon as I back up and the
dog starts eating, the donor's

770
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,840
like, oh, oh, she was just, we
were too close.

771
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,400
So now we have to back up.
She told me she was too close.

772
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,200
So now we're going to back up
and work from here some more and

773
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,840
then we can move far forward.
But if you keep trying and the

774
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,280
dog's not eating, then it's not.
It's not productive and also the

775
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,240
dog's too afraid.
But it's subtle.

776
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,040
It is subtle.
Yeah.

777
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:59,120
I know a lot of people like me
end up feeling pretty guilty

778
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,360
because life is busy.
Life is chaotic.

779
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,440
You're, you feel like you're
doing the best you can.

780
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,280
There's always room for
improvement.

781
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,440
But you know, especially the the
society we live in today is

782
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,080
intentionally set up.
To where we have.

783
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:26,760
Very limited bandwidth.
How for an A normal average

784
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,040
everyday household that probably
2 parents working kids in

785
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,560
school, extracurriculars, like
what does this actually look

786
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,040
like on a daily basis to be able
to provide these things for a

787
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:39,680
dog?
What?

788
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,960
How do you talk to people about
that?

789
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,360
For a a non problematic, I mean
looking problems house training

790
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:54,480
Now for a regular dog that just
needs manners, honestly, 15

791
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,960
minutes a day and they don't
have to be 15 in a row.

792
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:05,240
I tell people train during your
life because that's how you want

793
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:07,480
your dog to behave.
So for example, we teach dogs

794
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,280
the puppies that we have here to
wait at doors before they can go

795
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,400
outside.
And this is for safety, not just

796
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,400
banners.
So I can open my front door and

797
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,120
whatever dogs are behind me,
I'll go wait.

798
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:22,200
And I can get my packages and I
can bring them in and the doors

799
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,920
wide open and I'm fumbling with
packages and no one runs out the

800
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,480
front door.
No one ends up being a door

801
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,520
dasher, which is insane.
If you're in a high rise and

802
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,080
it's an elevator, just because
the elevator door opens doesn't

803
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,080
mean you want your dog running
right in there, right?

804
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,720
What if there's a nasty dog on
the other side or some guy who

805
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,400
hates dogs or whatever?
We wait.

806
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:49,480
So when I practice this, I take
puppies in and out all day to go

807
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,000
to the bathroom and they're
always allowed to go out to pee

808
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,280
because I don't want to hesitate
there.

809
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Please don't hesitate for that.
But on the way in, we practice

810
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,960
our weights at the door because
I got to go in the house anyway.

811
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,760
So this is when I used to
practice and I may do 3 reps, I

812
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,720
may do 10, I may do 3-4 or five,
and then we go in.

813
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,120
We practice not jumping on
people.

814
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,000
I have to give them something to
do.

815
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,480
So you have to sit.
If you sit, I will love on you

816
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,280
all day long.
But if you stand up, I'm going

817
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,320
to stop.
And this teaches them to

818
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,040
approach people and sit rather
than launching at them.

819
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:27,040
Well, I have to interact with
this puppy all day long as I'm

820
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,600
training it.
So we're going to work on

821
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,160
sitting and I'm not going to pet
you unless you sit.

822
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,640
And these puppies end up going
up to strangers and sitting all

823
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,320
the time expecting to be petted.
But it's part of it's part of my

824
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,880
routine.
And if you make that like, OK, a

825
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,240
lot of people like to do this
where they make the dog sit

826
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,400
before they feed the dog and
then they put the bowl down and

827
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,120
then release the dog.
That's fine.

828
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,480
You're practicing a sit and
you're going to feed the dog how

829
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:54,800
many times a day anyway?
So sprinkle life lessons in and

830
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,080
then the you'll find that the
dog starts automatically waiting

831
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,920
at the door and automatically
sitting because you've just

832
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:05,440
incorporated it, as opposed to
having this 30 minute designated

833
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,560
training time where it's very
rehearsed and very practiced and

834
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,280
the dog doesn't listen to you
outside of those 30 minutes.

835
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,720
That, that's an interesting
thing too, yeah.

836
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,160
Being more intentional
throughout the day, yes, that

837
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,600
sounds, yeah, like a better way
to approach it anyway, because,

838
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:26,880
I mean, that's how you would
with your kids too, right?

839
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:29,720
I assume.
I don't know.

840
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:31,440
I don't have human children.
I don't.

841
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,320
Have human children either.
So that was my shrug.

842
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,000
What do we know?
Auntie took too many.

843
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,240
But no, it can't just be that
slot like people say.

844
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:46,920
Well, when we're practicing,
he's perfect, but in the real

845
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,520
world, he doesn't do it.
And I always ask, are you doing

846
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:52,000
it differently in the real
world?

847
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,760
Do you have your treat pouch?
Do you have or are you just

848
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,880
assuming that he's going to, you
know, do these things.

849
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,160
So you have to do, you have to
be consistent.

850
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,640
Everybody working with the dog
has to be consistent, but also

851
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:10,040
set yourself up to succeed.
And it's really easy to feel

852
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,440
like you're not giving enough,
especially if you have a problem

853
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,920
dog.
If you have an aggressive dog,

854
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,840
it is work.
And you know, people bring home

855
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,400
a pet and not expect a project,
but sometimes they get a project

856
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,720
and those dogs do need extra
help.

857
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:29,360
And it can be very frustrating
for them to have those dogs.

858
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,880
It's hard to live with an
aggressive dog.

859
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,200
It really is because you can't
get a pet sitter.

860
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,520
You can't board it anywhere.
You know, the vet can't handle

861
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,040
them.
The groomer can't handle them.

862
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,000
It's it's, it's hard.
It's really hard on those folks.

863
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:49,280
It causes a lot of stress.
So I know you write a lot do and

864
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,600
you said you do Zoom calls with
people.

865
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,640
Do you have any sort of like
online training that people can

866
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,520
go through or how do you feel
about that?

867
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,680
I love online training, but I
have not developed them yet.

868
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:07,440
They hopefully they're they're
in here Jess, but I have not

869
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,280
yet.
I would love to that I do.

870
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,960
I do webinars and I speak at
conferences, but I do webinars

871
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,280
and several of my webinars are
available through through

872
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,360
Raising Canine is the company,
but some of those are geared

873
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,440
towards trainers, but some of
them are also geared towards

874
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,240
towards pet parents.
But I have not launched any of

875
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,080
my own.
I should, I really need to, but

876
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,800
I have books and I have, you
know, articles in, in magazines

877
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,960
and things like that.
But yeah, there's some people

878
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,240
that don't have a reward based
trainer in their hometown that

879
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:40,160
they feel that they feel they
can trust.

880
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:45,040
And so they find me and I Zoom
can be very, very productive,

881
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,800
especially for aggression
because the dog isn't going to

882
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,640
react to me.
I'm just a face on a computer,

883
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,080
you know, as opposed to with
some aggressive dogs.

884
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,040
I'll have like 3 or 4 lessons
for the dog will even let me

885
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,840
interact with it, you know,
depending on the level.

886
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,440
But via computer I can coax the
person into getting the results

887
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:07,920
a lot faster sometimes.
I I want you to talk about your

888
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,800
books, but really quickly that
because it just reminded me when

889
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,600
you were talking about that for
whatever reason, this one dog

890
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:20,360
that I would I trained a while
back popped in my head and I

891
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,920
realized we hadn't talked about
this particular thing.

892
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:29,480
This was a dog that resource
guarded, but environmental

893
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,680
management was not happening in
this home.

894
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,360
Like literally there were bones
everywhere all over the house.

895
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,360
And I'm like, of course, let's
not do this, but I would love

896
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,320
for you to to speak a little bit
on environmental management.

897
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,200
Environmental management, it's
like I talked about with you

898
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,840
with with little Kimberly, we're
going to have to manage the

899
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:54,440
environment with her while Mr.
Goofus, let's be friends forever

900
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,240
is invading her space, right?
Environmental management is just

901
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,400
as important as the training,
sometimes even more so.

902
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,240
So if you have a dog that is
going to resource guard and you

903
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:08,040
have little tasty morsels all
over the house, you're just

904
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,320
setting yourself up to fail.
You're setting the dog up to

905
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,920
fail.
So management is very, very

906
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:18,080
important.
If you have, you know, a new

907
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,600
puppy, you can't let it have the
one of an entire house

908
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,560
unsupervised.
It's going to be chaos.

909
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,800
You have to manage that
environment until the puppy has

910
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,000
been trained to live in that
environment.

911
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,320
But it is critical.
It is critical.

912
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,080
Sometimes people will stop
there.

913
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,280
You know, they manage the
situation and that's OK if

914
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,920
that's all they have the
bandwidth for is I'm just going

915
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,800
to keep these dogs separate for
the rest of their lives.

916
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,240
These dogs are attacking each
other.

917
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,680
I love them both.
I'm not rehoming them.

918
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,400
I'm committed.
This one now lives in the East

919
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:54,600
Wing.
You know, I don't judge that.

920
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,320
If that is what is going to make
your heart happy, then that's

921
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,080
fine.
But in addition to behavior

922
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,960
modification and training and
people training, you know, it's

923
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,600
kind of a holistic approach.
There's a lot of aspects to it

924
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,040
that you need to do.
And working with the vet, you

925
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,520
know, sometimes, you know, what
is the diet of the dog?

926
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,920
What is, what are the meds?
It's on, You know, let's, let's,

927
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,680
let's all work together to help
this dog.

928
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,840
Yeah.
Is the dog in pain?

929
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,560
Is the dog in?
Pain.

930
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,240
Oh my gosh is the dog in pain?
There's a lot of things that

931
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:30,800
mask as behavior problems. 4
month old golden retriever puppy

932
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,600
was putting the brakes on walks
and he's so stubborn.

933
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,200
He's so stubborn.
I'm like, no, he's not stubborn.

934
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,520
People are stubborn.
Golden retrievers not so much.

935
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,440
I said.
So first let's look.

936
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,880
Is it a fear problem?
Because that's me.

937
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,640
That's the behavior person,
right?

938
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,840
Because if a puppy is afraid on
a walk, he will stop and

939
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,400
sometimes it's something he
hears or it's a physical

940
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,800
problem.
Sure enough, the four month old

941
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:04,520
puppy had advanced hip dysplasia
of both hips and so he was in

942
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,440
pain and so he'd get, you know,
he was a golden retriever.

943
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,720
So again, talk about endlessly
optimistic.

944
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,960
He's like this first block is
great.

945
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:18,080
This second block it third
block, no, I can't, I can't.

946
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,760
And it was it was pain and he
had surgery and he ended up

947
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,520
doing very well after his
surgeries, but so young to have

948
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,440
hip dysplasia.
So if the dog is in pain, the

949
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:33,840
behavior is affected.
Yeah, yeah, I just, I mean, I

950
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,400
think about so many things like
that.

951
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:42,800
Like I I have had people like
the dog is chewing on the shoes.

952
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:44,200
OK.
Where are you leaving your shoes

953
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:50,840
out for your dog to chew?
Or I, I went into one lady's

954
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,960
house one time and she was
complaining about her dog

955
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,680
constantly barking at the door
and anybody walking by barking

956
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:01,120
at the door and literally the
bed that this dog slept in all

957
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,560
day was right at the door.
I'm like, how about we move the

958
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,400
bed, do another work?
And I mean, obviously that's not

959
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:13,240
going to fix the route of of any
of this, but like it's going to

960
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:15,040
help us get.
Where where we want to go,

961
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:17,360
right?
Well, plus, you don't want the

962
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,760
dog practicing bad behavior,
practicing behavior, because

963
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,080
practice makes perfect.
So if I have a dog that's

964
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,240
reactive towards things that it
sees out the window, we have to

965
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,840
block the window because we're
going to work on it.

966
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,640
But you're not working 24/7.
That's not possible.

967
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,840
So the dog is barking at male
people and FedEx and all this

968
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:42,920
other stuff and, and kids and
people walking by for the 24 1/2

969
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,520
hours it has access to this.
But your half hour train and

970
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,240
you're going to work on it.
You'll never see an end result

971
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,840
of this that's happened.
Yeah, yeah.

972
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,800
So I won.
I can't believe we're already

973
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,720
almost at an hour.
Thank you so much.

974
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,360
I would love for you to talk a
little bit about the and you

975
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:06,400
have multiple books out if you
could just kind of quickly go

976
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,960
through them.
But then maybe tell me, tell us

977
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,520
where you would love love for
somebody to start with one of

978
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,640
your books or one of your
articles or where, where should

979
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,080
they start with all of the
information you have?

980
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,240
Sure, if you have a problem dog,
if you have a dog that is

981
00:55:23,240 --> 00:55:27,480
barking or not house trained or
reactive or digging.

982
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,760
The best one is my latest book,
which is announced in its second

983
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:32,640
edition.
That's the dog behavior problem

984
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,200
solved and it's available
wherever books are sold,

985
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,400
including electronic versions.
So that's the dog behavior

986
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,320
problem solver is is the most
recent.

987
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:45,080
If you have you adopted a dog or
you have a new puppy and you

988
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,680
just want to train it, you want
to train it to come when called

989
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,440
and walk nicely on the leash and
all the wonderful manners things

990
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,000
that you need.
I recommend Ultimate Guide to

991
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,400
Dog Training and it is called
the Ultimate Guide to Dog

992
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,760
Training and it's going to be a
really comprehensive, just good

993
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,520
training background.
There are a bunch of others too.

994
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,280
I've written 7, Some of them are
old.

995
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,880
I didn't know that my original,
my first one was your Out of

996
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,480
Control Puppy and I don't even
know if it's in print anymore.

997
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,600
You could probably find it on
eBay.

998
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,600
It's a really nice little short
read if you want that.

999
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,720
That was my very first one, but
those are the two most recent

1000
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:19,960
ones and that's where I would
start.

1001
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,040
And you can always go to my
website todanderson.com, that's

1002
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:28,200
TEOTI, because I do have an
unusual name of so people will

1003
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,240
mangle the spelling, but I'm the
only one.

1004
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:32,240
So you'll find me on the
Internet.

1005
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,120
You can Google me and 800 things
will come up about, you know,

1006
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,320
speaking engagements and things.
So you can find me there.

1007
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,960
That's awesome.
Well, I appreciate you so much.

1008
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,800
Thank you for all of the
knowledge that you brought to us

1009
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,280
today.
And guys, please check out TO DS

1010
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,520
website.
Of course, all of that will be

1011
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,200
LinkedIn the show notes for you
as well to just click and go.

1012
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,360
And yeah, thank you again so
much for being here.

1013
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,600
Delight.
You ask wonderful questions.

1014
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,480
Thank you.
Thank you.

1015
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,080
I appreciate that.
And guys, please give your pets

1016
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:09,520
some extra love from me and from
Tod this week, and I will talk

1017
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:17,240
to you next week.
Before you go, if today's

1018
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,200
episode got you thinking about
what's really going on beneath

1019
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,120
the surface for your pet, don't
forget to check out Wild

1020
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,800
Wellness pet.com.
You'll find the Wild Wellness

1021
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,520
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1022
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1023
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,800
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Visit wildwellnesspet.com to

1024
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:40,360
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