RECAP: The More You Know Pet Wellness Summit 2025 | Weekly Pet Roundup

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It's it's been insane.
It's been insane, I think for

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both of us since the last time
we did a weekly cut roundup.

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But I'm so excited to be back
this week and we'll see what

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happens the rest of the summer.
But.

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Yeah, for sure.
Well, the rest of the summer, I

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can tell you this.
It depends on when you count

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summer.
True, true.

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Because my kids go back to
school next week but then we

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have super zoo.
Yeah, I was hearing.

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So I'm going to be out of town
the whole next two weeks going

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to AFCO and then going to Super
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So it is going to be, I don't
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Anyway, this week, however, on
the weekly pet roundup we are

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talking about, we're, we're
recapping the more you know, Pet

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Wellness Summit 2025, which was
held in Waynesburg back on July

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13th ish and super, super fun.
Isabel came into town for that

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and we had we had a blast.
There was so much going on and

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it was the 3rd annual Pet
Wellness Summit that Nautical

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dog hosted.
If you're new here, my name is

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Jessica.
I'm with the pet parenting

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reset.
This is Isabel.

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She hosts covered in pet hair
and we get together as often as

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we can weekly, hopefully usually
easier during this the school

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year to go come to you weekly to
host the weekly pet roundup,

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which we do live here on
Instagram, Facebook and YouTube.

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Thank you so much for being here
with us.

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So this was your first, the more
you know Pet Wellness Summit and

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how was it for you?
I really enjoyed it.

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I was really impressed with the
caliber.

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Obviously the speakers I assumed
would be amazing.

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I was impressed with the caliber
of the pet parents that

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attended.
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That was for me the highlight
because I knew while I've never

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seen any of the speakers speak,
so we can go over who was there.

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We can say that it was Amy Rentz
from Goodness Gracious Rita from

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the Herbal Dog.
She just what is her last name?

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I forget.
Why am I blank?

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Hogan, Hogan The.
Herbal Dog and she just

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published her first book, so
she's kind of on a book tour.

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That was kind of a stop on her
tour.

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Then there was Susan again.
I'm really.

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On the name.
Thixon, I'm like Gibson.

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No, it's not Gibson, Susan.
Susan Thixon, who I have

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followed for even though I
forgot her last name, I followed

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for over 2, like I guess for two
decades now since I started my

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pet sitting business in 2008.
Like I remember at that point,

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sometime in that area in that
time frame finding her.

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And I've never met her in
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I've never seen her speak.
So that was like a highlight for

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me.
And then there was Doctor.

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Call it What is it?
Connor Brady.

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Connor Brady.
Why am I blanking on everybody's

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names today?
Connor Brady, Who is just

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delightful and I really enjoyed
meeting him.

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And I mean, he made us laugh a
lot because he talked about poop

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the whole time, his favorite
topic and like one that we don't

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shy away from.
But when like he took it to

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another level that I've never
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Did I forget anybody?
Doctor Katie Kangas.

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Oh, Doctor Katie Kangas, whom I
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She's amazing.
She's so fun.

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She's so cute.
I really enjoyed her.

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So Amy Wrens I've met at Super
Zoo and I love that she's so

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knowledgeable.
She has, yes, she has like a pet

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food brand, but also she is just
really knowledgeable and shares

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so much of her knowledge not
just with those who purchase her

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bread, but with the industry.
So like I love that about her.

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Her talk was really in depth.
Like I thought that the average

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pet parent would have like a lot
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caliber of pet parent that was
there really got it because

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everybody you could see was
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transitioning to raw feeding or
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Like these people are very
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dogs.
There was a lot more dog people

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I think than cat people, which
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things, unfortunately for our
cats, because our cats deserve

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species appropriate food too,
but it's a little harder to feed

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that way.
So people get discouraged, I

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think with cats, you know, since
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people are like ready to like
kind of wrap, they're more

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easily wrap their heads around
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dogs than they do cats in my
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So it was really cool.
I loved getting to hear from

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Susan Thixon.
A lot of it I already knew, but

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her sharing her personal stories
of certain threats that she's

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received in trying to uncover
the kind of the dark side of the

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pet food industry was really eye
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Because I know that that happens
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right?
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naturopathic doctors in the
human health realm that get

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death, death threats from big
corporations.

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Obviously, they've never take
ownership of that threat, but

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like, they assume that that's
where it's coming from.

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And these conglomerates can can
be very, you know, cutthroat if

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they feel like they need to.
And so she shared a few things

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that I was like, I can't believe
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Like I applaud her for having
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she's getting threats on her
life and her loved ones lives,

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she continues to bring attention
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of the pet food industry and
just of agriculture in general.

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Because she did talk about like,
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when it like pigs and like the
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on the neighboring communities
that are usually poor, the

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impact that it has on our water
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Like she talks about a lot of
things that are really eye

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opening and a lot of consumers
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And that probably was my
favorite chat just because it

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reiterated how important it is
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I don't feed raw.
I don't cook for my pets.

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I used to, but I have two kids
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It's so much going on that I
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into it properly.
But as a consumer, I do have the

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ability and it just takes like a
second longer to like kind of

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research what I'm buying, where
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choices.
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of said like this one is what I
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directly into my life.
Whereas the other ones, you

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know, sure, like I took a lot of
information and a lot of stuff

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that I learned at these things I
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my like kids diet and stuff.
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but it just was, I've always
known about factory farming, the

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dangers, the gross stuff that
happens with the meat that we

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eat or we feed our pets.
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better because not only do I not
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industries, but I also don't
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give it to my loved ones,
whether they be animals or,

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well, they be pets or kids.
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Well, and I think one of the
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appreciate about Susan the most
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even with everything that is
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She is like when she's just with
like industry people with not,

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not industry, but when she's
with like her people, people

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that she knows and that supports
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side of the pets really in in
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She can let you know her real
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But like when she is writing her
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the FDA, when she is attending
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talking directly to pet food
industry, she is so professional

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and so level headed and she
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What has happened to her and the
anger and the sadness and the

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frustration like derail any of
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Yeah, she does.
She said that she had like, she

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had sent a complaint, which,
like, the FDA has like a way

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that you go through these
complaint processes and she's

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still waiting for a response
like 3-5 years later or

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something.
And she doesn't want to get

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like, you know, attorneys and
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they're not really giving her
much.

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And there are supposedly like
guidelines of timing, yeah, in

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which the FDA has to respond.
But because it's her, they kind

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of know.
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Just don't, yeah.
We're not we're not going down

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this route.
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Like she's brave because she
like, shows up to meetings and

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like inflammatory T-shirts.
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Don't think she does that
anymore after what happened to

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her, but like, she used to,
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Yeah, yeah, That she showed up
in a T-shirt that ruffled some

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feathers.
And like, after that, she

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received a threat, like a
physical violence, a threat of

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physical violence.
So, yeah, she's really brave.

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And that was, to me, really cool
that despite all that, she still

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continues to share her knowledge
and poke the bear, so to speak.

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I mean, you've got to be pretty
brave to do that.

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I think she is and, but also,
and I think it's that

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professionalism that came
through in her talk.

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I did hear a quite a few people
in attendance say that they had

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no idea.
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Typically to Susan's top.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Which honestly surprised me,
like as far as who was in

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attendance, like you said, like
you felt felt that they were

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like just a different caliber of
pet parent.

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And yet that's where I got like,
I was hearing the most like, Oh

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my gosh, I didn't know that.
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Was around Susan's talk and I'm
like, how did you not know but

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that?
But that's me.

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I'm like, isn't this why we're
feeding our pets the way we're

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feeding them in the first place?
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They I think pet parents
obviously feed a fresh diet

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because of illness a lot of the
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And they like, that's kind of

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like, I need to do something
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My pet has kidney disease, my
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or that or the other.
And I want to extend their life.

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So I'm going to feed them this
better food.

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But in feeding them the better
food, they're kind of leaving

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that disgusting factory farming
agricultural nightmare behind,

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which is obviously like a
positive side effect of this.

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They change.
But yeah, I think that people

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like, it's, I think a lot of
people go vegan or vegetarian

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when they start discovering
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So it's like effects them as in
like, I have a friend who's

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vegan and the reason she went
vegan is not because of the

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animals, it's because of the
mental health of this

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slaughterhouse workers.
And she just kind of went down

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this rabbit hole and was like, I
don't want to be like

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supporting.
Was it you and I that had this

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conversation before?
I don't know.

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I don't think so.
But she like she was a meat

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eater and like I remember like
we hadn't seen each other for a

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while and all of a sudden she's
like, I'm vegan and I was like,

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I was vegetarian forever.
And you guys were like always

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accommodating of us, but I had
no idea you had any interest.

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And she was like, well, it
wasn't about the animals for me,

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it's about the people, right?
So like, and then she like found

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out about the environmental
impact of these like pig farms

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or whatever where they like
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They just like throw them out.
And there's like mounds of

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carcasses just like seeming into
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And so those are the things that
motivated her.

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And just like, you know, people
going into groups with their dog

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having XYZ condition and finding
that there's a big consensus

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around diet.
So they switch, but they don't

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really know the horrors.
And so the, the more those

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people share, right, they were
shocked.

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So they went home and they were
like, dude, it's so gross, you

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know, because really that's what
everybody took away from it.

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It's like nobody should be
eating like weeks old carcasses.

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So, yeah, just like a quick
tangent, because I really

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thought we had had this
conversation because I used to

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be vegetarian for like many,
many, like over a decade.

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And I also thought that I would
like I was doing it for for the

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animals.
That's what I believed.

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But the more I started to
research it, in my opinion we're

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actually doing more harm than
good by becoming vegan or

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vegetarian.
We we actually will do better if

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we just switch to regeneratively
farmed crops and and.

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Well, a lot of people.
A lot of people.

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For the environment, like
animals, yeah, yeah.

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But some people do it for the
environment.

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So those people, yes, Like in
your case, yes, when I was

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vegetarian and and then vegan,
it was, I didn't want to hurt an

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animal.
I just did it like I didn't feel

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that that animal should die for
me to have a burger like that

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was.
And now I still, I still

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genuinely believe that, but I
also it's like not that black

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and white for me anymore.
It isn't.

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I'm insulin resistant so it's
very difficult for me to.

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Not eat?
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that like.
So yes, I absolutely agree with

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you 'cause I have a really hard
time processing my feelings

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around an animal having to die.
However, if we're not eating

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locally farmed, regeneratively
farmed agriculture, then we are

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still, we are still buying into
monocropping.

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We're still buying into soil
depletion.

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We're still buying into killing
literally like you're, you're

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killing thousands of animals.
They're just, they just happen

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to be in the soil.
A different animal.

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Versus killing a cow or a pig or
thousands of worms and beetles

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and all kinds of different bugs
and like any and everything that

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would live in the soil.
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I think if you don't stop, if
you stop researching, at that

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point, it should be a cycle.
It should be a cycle.

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Like if you just stop
researching and you're like, OK,

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I'm done.
I'm not eating meat anymore.

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Like you're actually doing more
harm to the planet and the

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environment and animals in
general just just because it's

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not one that has a beautiful
face sitting on your plate.

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Well, for me, it was mammals.
Like after I became a mom, it

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was very hard for me to imagine
that this mother who is

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literally breastfeeding her baby
in cows specifically, like the

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baby just gets taken from her.
And if it's a boy, it becomes

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veal.
And if it's a girl, it becomes,

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you know, another factory farm
worker.

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And so As for me, it was like
mammals were my thing.

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And then pork, you know, just
because I found out how

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disgusting a lot of the pork
production is.

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It just kind of went from there
and there and there.

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But like what?
Regardless of why we choose to

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not eat meat or eat meat, we
often stop at ourselves because

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we know, especially responsible
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should not be vegan or
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I mean, there was, yes, the
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living dogs was vegetarian.
But that dog was on a farm where

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he was getting like fresh eggs
and fresh goat's milk and all

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these things that and like fresh
vegetables that they grew there.

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I think he was Australian, that
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And so that's like a very unique
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It wasn't like a vegetarian
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That's like, that's not at all.
And that dog lived outside and

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then soil was healthy and like
totally so many.

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Apples and oranges for sure.
So like most responsible pet

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owners know that like having a
vegetarian pet is not really a

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great option, especially if
they're, if they're really

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educated in nutrition, right?
Like they know, like if they

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don't know anything about
nutrition and they are happy

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eating lentils themselves every
single day of the week, and then

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they're going to feed their dogs
lentils all the time.

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Like we can't, that's not our,
that's not our pet parent.

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Like that's not our client or
that's not our pet parent

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avatar, right?
Like we speak to pet parents who

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are a little more discerning for
themselves, their families and

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their pets.
So those people tend to kind of

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like, yes, improve the pet's
diet without knowing what they

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left behind.
And like, those pet parents in

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that room, you could see them
being like, thank God I, like,

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changed, right?
Like, thank goodness this is not

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my reality because, like, I
don't feed this, right.

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Yeah.
Unfortunately, you know, we have

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a client avatar and most of
these people are probably of a

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higher socioeconomic level
because they can afford to feed

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their pets better than they feed
themselves usually.

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I lived in Louisiana in the
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We didn't have any good
vegetables anywhere.

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Like we didn't we have to drive
to Lafayette or Beaumont, TX or

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something like that to get
anything at a farmers market

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because ours was awful.
We had Walmart that was our

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grocery store and our department
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So like those people right there
are not going to feed their pets

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better than they feed
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They don't have access to it.
But the people in Williamsburg

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do have options.
And these people are of a higher

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socio economic level where they
have not only the options, but

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the the ability to to get these
things and do these things.

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Like one of the people that we
spoke to was like just graduated

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law school and like was joining
a firm and like obviously that's

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a very highly educated person
who is also like single, no kids

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and has like this dog, maybe 1.
I think it was one dog where

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they can spoil that dog.
And maybe it was a small dog.

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So then it's not as expensive to
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It's like, it would be like an
80 LB dog, right?

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So everybody has different
socioeconomic levels and

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abilities and the location
really impacts you.

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But every little step we take,
and I think that that's really

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what I took away from the whole
summit, is like, there are ways

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to make little impacts, even if
it's not available to you, even

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if it's not every day even.
So like education being so

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important because then when
you're educated, you know what

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you can and cannot do or like
where you can focus your

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attention.
Because as a pet parent who just

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sits at home and listens to us
and listens to Kara and listens

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to, you know, Doctor Katie
Kangas or Doctor Katie Woodley

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or whatever, like they're just
following people.

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They're like overwhelmed by
like, where do I even start?

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And having the opportunity to be
in the same room with people,

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ask questions.
That's like a great way for

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people to start kind of honing
in on what they can do as

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opposed to feeling like I'm just
really feeling my pet right now,

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which I think a lot of people
feel when they start going down

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the rabbit hole.
Sure.

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Well, and I, I mean, I think
isn't that, I think that's true

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of anything you start to unlearn
and relearn anything in.

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Life no better.
Do better, right?

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And that's why it's called The
More You know.

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So, yeah.
So I loved Susan Thixon's

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conversation about that stuff
and like, how important it is to

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understand the problems that she
addresses with the FDA, right.

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So like, she basically broke it
down, like what it is that she

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goes to them with and what it is
that she takes issue with.

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And then Dr. Katie Kangas talked
about hi.

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What did she talk about?
Integrative Medicine.

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When to go to the vet, like when
to when you need like Western

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medicine versus when you can do
integrative medicine.

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And I think again, she went
pretty deep.

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Like it was like you and I have
done this on a very like new pet

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parent level.
She took it way further, which

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was good for that audience
because I even I learned stuff

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that I was like, oh, that's
really cool.

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And I remember taking a lot of
screenshots and things that she

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like shared about specific
ingredients and how those

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ingredients are those like herbs
or whatever can help in certain

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situations before you need to go
to like allopathic medicine.

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And you know, she was not at all
because she's a veterinarian

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against Western medicine.
It was just a matter of like,

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this is what you're going to get
at the vet, and that's probably

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not the best thing to start
with.

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So let's try this.
And she talked about allergies,

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she talked about kidney health.
She talked about a lot of

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different very common
conditions, which I thought was

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really good.
Yeah.

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Well, and, and I think that's
probably to your point just a

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minute ago, one of the most
important topics of the whole

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day for pet parents to, to take
away from the summit or to take

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away from anything they're
learning, you know, anything

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they're searching for online
because it is very like, it can

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be very polarizing.
And you can, when you Start

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learning to when you Start
learning that there's a

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different way, you can kind of
overcorrect and say, oh, I don't

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want any pharmaceuticals.
I don't want any, you know,

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veterinarian intervention.
And that's, that's an

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overcorrection.
And in my opinion and

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overcorrection.
No, in in most, I feel like most

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people would agree with you that
like there's a time and a place

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for everything.
And yeah, going completely, no,

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Western medicine is something
that people do because they

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become scared of the Western
medicine.

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But like, she was very good
about making it.

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So it's not scary, it's just
maybe not the best option.

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Yeah.
It's, it's again to me, it

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always comes back to informed
consent.

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So we can make the best
decisions for our pets when we

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actually know the all of the
options that we have available

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to us and the risk versus reward
for all of them.

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And that's something that we
don't get most of the time.

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I feel like we don't even get it
just because even our vets

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aren't that educated in the
option the other options.

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So like it's not like it's being
withheld from us.

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It's just like, well, the.
Options.

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Information, but the.
Options, yes.

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Yeah, the options, yes.
But also they're not.

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They're like, when was the last
time they told you what the side

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effects were of a medication
before they dispensed it to your

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animal?
I ask yes, because you're but I.

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Feel like that's also like on
the consumer, right?

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Like you do not take any
medication for your pet, your

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child.
This is like a APSA.

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You do not receive, you do not
take, ingest, or give to your

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pet or your child or your sick
parent or whomever it is any

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medication without first asking
about the side effects.

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Yes, for humans they're required
to give you the pamphlet when

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you fill it at the at the
pharmacy they give you the whole

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thing.
Most people just move and trash

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it.
No read it for pets but.

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You don't they're.
Not going to give you that.

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You don't get anything, you get
0.

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So that's where you as a pet
parent have to say, what side

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effects can this cause?
Not only because you want an

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informed consent, but because if
you do choose to give it, let's

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say that it's the only thing.
Like my dog is now on pro and

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because she's leaking, I'm cool
with pro and I can't have her

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pissing all over my house.
Excuse the expression.

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I know that's very vulgar, but
like that is the reality.

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Like I can't have her doing
that.

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So she's on pro and now I'm
going to give it to her, but I

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want to know what side effects
to look for because just because

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Proen works really well to
harden the walls of the bladder

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and prevent incontinence or
control incontinence doesn't

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mean that she is going to take
well to it.

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Like if it's a causing another
issue, I want to know what the

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issue is and I want to be able
to call it and be like, that's

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the new medication.
So you do not take yourself,

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your kids, your pets, any
medication without knowing what

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to look for.
And side effects are usually a

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sign that it's not compatible
with you.

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Like, you know, they say like,
oh, there's one in a million

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users may experience.
So like, if you're that one in a

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million, find something else.
Like you should not continue to

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take this.
And I love when like

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pharmaceutical companies on the
ads, they're like, don't take

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this medication if you're
allergic to it.

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Like obviously, but like, I
wouldn't know before taking it

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if I'm allergic to it.
But how do you know if you're

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allergic to it?
Anaphylaxis is not your only

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sign of allergy.
There are a lot of other signs.

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So as an informed consumer, you
need to ask the question.

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And as a pet parent, you do not
give medication without asking.

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My dog's socks was super.
She's the biggest dog I've ever

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had.
She was the most sensitive to

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any medication.
So I would tell the vet that

450
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,640
before even accepting
medication, before they dosed, I

451
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,440
would say she is super sensitive
and I would tell them examples.

452
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:57,680
We gave her like a some kind of
like a sedative for a road trip

453
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,640
one day and she was like walking
into walls for two days and we

454
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,320
gave her like half the dose.
She metabolized things

455
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,480
differently.
Antibiotics ruined her stomach.

456
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,040
So we had to support her stomach
even though she needed an

457
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,200
antibiotic.
Yes, she had E coli, she needed

458
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,520
the antibiotic, but it needed to
be the right antibiotic, the

459
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,160
right dosage and we needed to
support it.

460
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,440
So like those conversations with
your vet, like it happens with

461
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,920
so much like one of my loved
ones who I will not throw under

462
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,720
the bus.
It has been having some health

463
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,520
issues.
And I asked, did you tell the

464
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,360
doctor you're on XYZ?
And they say, Oh no, I forgot.

465
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:38,040
You can't forget you've got to
be uninformed and consumer and

466
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,200
advocate for yourself by simply
just giving the doctor the

467
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,120
information that they need to
have.

468
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,920
Like you need to remember what
other pet?

469
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,600
Like if your pet has an allergy
or reaction to something, write

470
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,400
it down.
Put it in your notes in your

471
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,680
iPhone, put it somewhere there's
AI note takers now.

472
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,640
Like write it down.
So the next time you're at the

473
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,400
vet, you pull it up and you're
like, Oh yeah, they can't take

474
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,320
that.
They had a reaction.

475
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,920
Like my nephew is allergic to
amoxicillin.

476
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,880
Like when he goes to the doctor
and he needs, he needs

477
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,240
antibiotics, the first thing
we're going to say is he can't

478
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,800
have amoxicillin.
But like if nobody says that,

479
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,080
the doctor's going to probably
prescribe amoxicillin.

480
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,080
So again, like a long winded
reminder that that's your

481
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,280
responsibility to ask your vet
because you are not going to get

482
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:23,960
it.
Because vets, as we've, as we've

483
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,200
discussed a million times, are
rushing because there's a vet

484
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,760
shortage.
They need to get to the next

485
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,440
patient.
They're trying their best to see

486
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,800
everybody and they may not give
you that information even though

487
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,520
they probably should because it,
you know, first do no harm,

488
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,400
right?
But like, let's just assume that

489
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,480
it's a team effort.
You need to ask to.

490
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Always, Yeah, absolutely,
absolutely.

491
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:55,480
But I think for me, like if I
were to try to put myself in the

492
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,760
shoes of just the average person
owning a pet, trying to get

493
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,080
through, trying to do the best I
can, I think Doctor Katie

494
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,600
Kangas's talk would be like at
the top of my list for for

495
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,080
things people need to know to
get started.

496
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,720
So that's why I appreciated it.
And I always love talking to

497
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,040
her.
She's so cute, she's so funny.

498
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,000
She's.
She's.

499
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,480
Very like natural.
She's not she's just very

500
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,000
herself.
I really I got, we got, we went

501
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,960
out to a brewery after and I got
I enjoyed talking to her because

502
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:38,000
she's like a really positive
person kind of 0 drama.

503
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,080
She gave me the vibes of like
she doesn't want drama like

504
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,720
she's like.
She's.

505
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,320
Like she's too big for the
drama, like she's too herself

506
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,360
and living her best life and
she's good.

507
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,760
And I thought she was really
cool to get to know.

508
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,600
I'm very approachable.
And then I loved Rita Hogan's

509
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,400
talk.
She's I've met Rita multiple

510
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,640
times at like super zoo.
I thought she was a super nice

511
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,720
person always.
But like we've never spoken at

512
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,920
length.
It was just mostly like chit

513
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,680
chatting at the 2 crazy cat
ladies party or like when we

514
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,040
went to dinner together in Vegas
and stuff.

515
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,280
But she killed it.
Like she killed her

516
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,960
presentation.
She made me laugh so much.

517
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,800
She had a lot of like tongue in
cheek humor and her presentation

518
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,840
was great.
Like if you go to my stories

519
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,080
actually covered in pet hair on
Instagram, I did create a

520
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,440
highlight from the more you know
pet Summit.

521
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,640
And I did take some screenshots
and I'll probably and you know,

522
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,640
I probably will refer back to
them.

523
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,800
But there was a lot of just like
really cool basic info.

524
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,760
And if you don't have her book,
like I don't have it yet, I'm

525
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,040
going to get it.
I want it.

526
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,520
I wanted it signed.
So I'm going to get it at in

527
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:54,360
Vegas at Super Zoo, but it's
just so cool what you can do

528
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,960
with herbs and how much respect
for and knowledge of she has of

529
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:04,880
like plant medicine.
And when you hear somebody that

530
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,240
knowledgeable speak, you see how
powerful these things are and

531
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,560
how underutilized they are.
And she talked not only about

532
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,400
pets, but also like just
medicinal, like the kidneys

533
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,640
function the same in dogs as
they do in humans.

534
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,560
So like, you know what I mean?
Like if you have kidneys, this

535
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,520
would be good for you.
If you have a liver, this would

536
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,360
be good for you.
Because there's so many overlaps

537
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,160
because again, we're all
mammals, right?

538
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,360
And we all have a lot of the
same organs and a lot of the

539
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,960
same exposure to toxins, whether
it be medications, environmental

540
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,000
or just like in our foods or
whatever.

541
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:47,160
So I, I loved that she made so
many really poignant jokes and

542
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,520
shared so much like, take it to
the bank.

543
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,720
Kind of like advice, like just
nitty gritty.

544
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,880
Yeah.
Yeah, and it wasn't like a

545
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,920
constant.
Refer to my book.

546
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,080
Right.
Oh God.

547
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,240
It was no, she would.
She gave so much value.

548
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,600
Yeah.
Yeah, in her, in her speech.

549
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,840
That just reminded me of Susan
Thixon going back when she was

550
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,720
like, I, I can't tell you what
brand this is.

551
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,800
Oh my gosh.
She was hilarious.

552
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,160
She was so funny.
So she's telling us a story

553
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:23,480
about like a brand, like a big
conglomerate that makes pet

554
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,640
food.
So one of the Nestle's Mars, you

555
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,360
know, like the big ones.
And I won't say who it is either

556
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,600
because like you have to go to
these things to get the nitty,

557
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,360
like to get the Goss right.
But she was like, I can't tell

558
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,000
you who it is.
And then she gets like a basket

559
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,800
of candy from this brand and
starts throwing it to the

560
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,360
audience.
She's like, I won't tell you the

561
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:47,760
secret's safe with me, but you
know, and she's just like

562
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,000
obviously telling us she's.
Such a clean who it is.

563
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,320
That cracked me up.
And I like, I died.

564
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,280
I was like, she's iconic.
Susan Dixon is an icon already

565
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,640
like in the industry, in the
natural pet space.

566
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Like she's been an icon forever.
And she's such like a sassy,

567
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,360
awesome lady that I just, I was
like, I've always fanned for

568
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,760
her.
Like I was fangirling when I saw

569
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,040
her there, but like that just
like solidified that she is just

570
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,360
such an icon.
She is.

571
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:27,720
She really, really is.
And so Wild Heart Pet Wellness

572
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,920
is saying, does the US not have
vet telehealth consults for

573
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,280
clients who don't have access to
holistic clinics?

574
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,520
We actually do.
We do.

575
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,600
They finally.
The problem is.

576
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,120
Yeah.
The problem is the money for

577
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,320
people in the US.
Well, yes, but also there just

578
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,000
aren't that many of them.
Yeah, well, I mean,

579
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,280
realistically speaking, most
people in the US like the in the

580
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,080
whole of the US, right.
Like forget big city versus

581
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,840
small, like suburb or rural
area.

582
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,200
Most people aren't even taking
their vet, the pet to the vet

583
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,320
once a year, not even 5 * a
year.

584
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:10,920
So like it's a very small
percentage of the US pet parent

585
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,080
that's going to invest in a
telehealth.

586
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:17,440
And even then, if they if they
do, it's like, where do you even

587
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,000
start?
Who do you go to?

588
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Like the, the lot of these
people who used to take consults

589
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,840
are now kind of like reaching
out to like the general

590
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,000
population because they reach
more people and they don't do

591
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,120
consults anymore.
And it's just a scary, I think

592
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,480
it's a scary place to, to be a
holistic vet.

593
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,080
Like it's not something you put
out there all the time.

594
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,360
So, well, and but to your point
about the financial aspect of

595
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,639
it, the reality of telehealth
for pets and humans are, is very

596
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,480
different.
So there are certainly going to

597
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,960
be things that as a human,
you're not going to be able to

598
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,239
get telehealth medicine for
because you're going to need lab

599
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,640
work, You're going to need
things that you need to go in

600
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,840
for.
The reality of any sort of

601
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:08,080
telemedicine with pets is that
because they can't tell you how

602
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,000
they're feeling, they can't tell
you what their symptoms are,

603
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,160
you're always going to have you
can.

604
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,680
You can have a consult with a
holistic or integrated

605
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:24,080
veterinarian, but you're always
also going to need another

606
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,400
veterinarian to actually
physically put their hands on

607
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,720
your animal, to palpate things,
to see what the range of motion

608
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:35,720
is in their limbs, to look in
their eyes and their ears and in

609
00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:39,200
their mouth.
And then, you know, do the blood

610
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,520
draws, do the diagnostics, do
the X-rays.

611
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,160
That I mean, I don't have any
doctors that won't that'll see

612
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,840
my kids over telehealth.
No, no, no doctor will see my

613
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,360
kids over telehealth only for an
acute thing like like there's an

614
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,320
ear infection and I, I literally
have to show images of the ear

615
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,720
in order for them to just refer
me to the doctor.

616
00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:59,600
So is that?
Because they're under 18.

617
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,080
I think it's just because of
liability.

618
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,520
I think for the humans it's
malpractice.

619
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,480
Like if I diagnose you some way,
Telehealth is not meant to be

620
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,840
for humans either.
Like diagnostic it's like a

621
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,800
follow up over telehealth's
fine.

622
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,160
But like your first consult with
that, an endocrinologist is

623
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,480
going to be in the office and
they're going to pull, you know

624
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,760
what I mean?
So like, I don't see, I don't

625
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,880
see it that different just
because again, it's everybody's

626
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,920
covering their ass.
But like you said, telehealth is

627
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,800
great as a follow up.
But also, if you're paying now

628
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:36,360
the telehealth vet and your
regular vet when you can't even

629
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,760
afford to spay and neuter, which
is literally where we are in the

630
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,480
United States right now, then
it's just not.

631
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,280
It's just not going to.
It's just not going to happen.

632
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,800
It's just not going to like
we're asking.

633
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,920
It's like asking a pet parent
more than they're already doing,

634
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,440
which is nothing.
Yeah, yeah.

635
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,680
Well, yeah, I mean, obviously
that's not true of every pet

636
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:05,160
parent, but it probably is for a
good percentage.

637
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,560
Remember we did a show on how
often pet parents are taking

638
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,920
their pets to the vet and it was
abysmal.

639
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,040
Yeah.
There's abysmal as a general

640
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,320
rule in the US cuz this question
is about the US as a whole.

641
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,560
So yeah, it's not good.
But yes, you see, you see that

642
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,240
more in like big cities where
the incomes are higher.

643
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:26,160
Like Chicago has amazing.
And the only reason I know is

644
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,880
cuz I have a client in Chicago
who she has 17 year old dogs who

645
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,440
are spry and happy, but they've
been a holistic vet their whole

646
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,000
life.
They eat the best foods.

647
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,400
My client, she owns Blue Fins
and company and she is like

648
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,600
herself so healthy.
She's the kind of person that

649
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,520
got rid of all of her spandex
stuff because of like chemical

650
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,520
exposure and all that.
Like she is the real deal.

651
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,440
So like she has access to
everything in Chicago.

652
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,400
I have another friend actually
Green Line Pet Supply, Jennifer,

653
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,120
they go to the same vet in
Chicago.

654
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,240
Like they're talking about how
amazing and saying they're

655
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:04,360
holistic, you know,
veterinarians and specialists

656
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,520
and all that.
Even in DC we had great

657
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:11,600
specialists, but the holistic
part of it was not really there

658
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,040
because in DC people tended to
be more medical.

659
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,240
They wanted the doctor.
They wanted the vaccine against

660
00:38:19,240 --> 00:38:22,760
everything.
They wanted the specialist with

661
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,080
the chemotherapy.
They didn't want to try herbs,

662
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,000
you know, So like, it's all,
it's very, the United States is

663
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,440
so big, it's so different in, in
different markets and

664
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:36,440
everybody's so different In El
Paso, we like are terrible pet

665
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,200
parents.
Like not myself, but like as a

666
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:43,360
general rule, where I live, the
education is lacking, the

667
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,080
resources are lacking, and we
don't even have enough regular

668
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,360
bets.
We have 0 holistic bets because

669
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,320
a holistic bet would not would
not make it here.

670
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Like, I don't think anybody paid
to see one.

671
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,160
That's crazy.
That's crazy to me.

672
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,320
But yeah, no.
There's we don't even have like

673
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,320
real.
We like let's talk about real

674
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,960
quick about the nautical dog,
how awesome their their like

675
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,200
products are like nobody.
Didn't you love her store?

676
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,120
I didn't go.
But.

677
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,080
I That's right, because you
were.

678
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:19,280
You were sick that night.
Yeah, but she put out like she

679
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,400
had vendors of stuff that she
sells.

680
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,280
And like our friend Lauren of
Girl Got Girls Gone Raw.

681
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,320
Yeah, Girls Gone Raw.
I love I was wearing her T-shirt

682
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,760
while I was in Baltimore, but
Girls Gone Raw, like sells

683
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,320
literal like body parts that are
freeze dried or dehydrated or

684
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,760
whatever it is that she does
with them.

685
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,480
And like here in El Paso, nobody
would buy that.

686
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,320
Like people would think you were
crazy, you know, because it's

687
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,280
like a totally different, like
here, people like the human

688
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,920
beings live off of like beans
and rice every more every day,

689
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,360
tortillas and beans and rice
like carbs, carbs, carbs all the

690
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,560
time, right?
That's just like the food we

691
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,320
eat.
So Millie Millie's were all

692
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,800
alive.
Bought the T-shirt too.

693
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,200
Yes, it's so cute.
We loved her T-shirt.

694
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,240
Hi, Millie's were all alive.
I'm like living in it lately.

695
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,800
I know it's so cute.
It's like a little crop top with

696
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,080
like a like a wolf looking
thing.

697
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,200
It's so cute.
Very rock'n'roll.

698
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,800
But yeah, like I just I saw so
much stuff and I did come.

699
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,160
They had what's really cool is
yes, they had like the store was

700
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,080
open.
So Nautical Dog was open, but

701
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,320
and this was like a like a block
and a half away from the actual

702
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,000
store, the event.
But she created like a little

703
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:38,680
shop in the back where Jessica
was put out her table and real

704
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,800
mushrooms was there.
Then it was Doctor Katie Kangas,

705
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,640
then it was the Green Juju, then
it was Lauren and Girls Gone

706
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,640
Raw, and then was On the Right
There.

707
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,080
There was some so Flo didn't
make it, but they still put out

708
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,640
the crude carnivore.
Crude carnivore, the book she

709
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:03,040
has and then.
Rita was selling her book or no

710
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,600
just signing it cuz everybody
who attended got a book thanks

711
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,280
to the.
Innovative, innovative pet lab

712
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,800
who was also there.
Yes, Innovative Pet Lab was

713
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,520
right next to us.
They sponsored a book for every

714
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,520
attendee.
So that was amazing cuz

715
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,680
everybody got to you guys should
have seen the swag bag.

716
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,120
I know we.
Didn't get one.

717
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,120
We didn't get one, but I was so
jealous because I was not an

718
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,880
attendee.
I mean, I went with Jessica.

719
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,200
Jessica was a paid sponsor, so
she was there and I was just

720
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,000
tagging along to help her and
just hand out bookmarks.

721
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,640
Did you got your bookmark?
Did you get your bookmark?

722
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,600
You did.
You were so amazing.

723
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,000
And we did not get the swag bag,
but would I tell you that that

724
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,680
swag bag was amazing.
There were.

725
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,600
There were body parts from Girls
Gone Raw.

726
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,280
There was.
The book was in there.

727
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,840
There was.
There was like full size, Yeah,

728
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,400
whole size Tinctures from Doctor
Katie King.

729
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,480
Yes.
That's.

730
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,160
Right.
I think Goodness Gracious had a

731
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,720
full size treat bag in there.
There was so much.

732
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,240
There was so much stuff like it
took us 2 hours to fill those

733
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:15,640
in.
Like we, we like volunteered to

734
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,880
like help fill them and it took
us two hours and then we got

735
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,320
worried that they were going to
like bottom out because they

736
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,920
were so heavy with so many
goodies in there.

737
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,800
So that was a really big treat
and I how much was it to get in?

738
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,440
I think it was like 15125,
something like that.

739
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,520
Like yeah, like 1.
I think it, well, I think it was

740
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:37,640
like 1, maybe 125.
And then if you were able to get

741
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,000
like a VIP ticket, that was a
little extra.

742
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,520
If you were, if you decided to
go to the coffee talk the next

743
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,200
morning, that was a little
extra.

744
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,760
And then let me see if I can
find my SO.

745
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:56,000
Yeah, the 125, give or take that
it was, was 100% reimbursed in

746
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,240
that bag.
It was more, I think it was more

747
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:01,920
than and then absolutely.
So Amanda did her magazine

748
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,680
again, which is so cute.
So if you're watching, you can

749
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,640
see the magazine, but it's like
it's one of the most beautiful

750
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,120
magazines I've seen.
Gorgeous.

751
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,920
And our friend Jessica here has
two articles in that magazine,

752
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,480
right?
I do, I do.

753
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,440
I did an article.
On your pic it's so cute.

754
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,160
Oh my goodness, I have an
article on Not everything is

755
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,320
yeast.
And we're actually, we should

756
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,080
have talked about yeast so much.
Doctor.

757
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,720
Connor Brady Doctor Connor Brady
talked about yeast.

758
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,400
He's like everything's yeast.
And I'm like, no, it's not

759
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,560
Connor.
But no, he was like, he really

760
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,720
if if you really broke it down,
he was like, Oh, my hardest

761
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,600
clients that I just can't figure
out wind up being yeast.

762
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,640
That's really what he and then I
have.

763
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,320
Connection of the and the
bacteria in the yeast.

764
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,320
That's really what it was about.
It was like when our dogs

765
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,720
bacteria is all like our pets or
our own bacteria Biome is out of

766
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:04,480
whack, then that's when we start
getting these issues with yeast

767
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,280
that, you know, it's it's like
we're treating one thing and

768
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,800
then the other thing gets
exacerbated and it's just like

769
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,360
this big mess.
And so that's what he was kind

770
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,400
of digging into.
Show me your picture.

771
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,120
Oh well, I was going to show you
a separate one.

772
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:18,640
My picture.
It's just the.

773
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,040
The Cocchio.
She's like half, half as the

774
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,160
person who works for magazines.
That's 1/2.

775
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,720
Page layout.
That's huge.

776
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:33,440
And then I did a step by step
guide to transitioning your cat

777
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,520
from kibble to a species
appropriate diet, which I was

778
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,280
really, really excited to put
that one in because I feel like

779
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,480
our kitties need need those.
Yeah, and that's the one that

780
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,680
people get turned off by the
most cuz there's like there's so

781
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,760
much information about dogs and
transitioning.

782
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,800
So there's this like such a
welcome thing.

783
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,840
Do you have this online that
other people can read?

784
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,840
Yeah, actually there are blogs
on my website, so you can go to

785
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,040
jessicalfisher.com and they're
there also.

786
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,960
And look at Lauren.
Look at how cute Lauren is.

787
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,560
Lauren's the cutest.
I only met Lauren Girls gone raw

788
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:11,520
at this event.
Like that was the first time I'd

789
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,760
ever met her.
Aww.

790
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,800
And she is just so much fun and
she's so sweet.

791
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,440
And Kara, we missed you.
Raw Pie Adventure says she's

792
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,040
busy as I pack my bags.
Is this like the pack to move?

793
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,160
Packing.
Yep, Yep.

794
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:30,320
Good luck with that, Kara.
She's moving states, so she's in

795
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,920
the middle of a big life change,
but we're gonna see her at Super

796
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,240
Zoo, God willing.
Connor got a huge one too.

797
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,880
Look at that, Connor Brady.
Okay, so that takes us.

798
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,400
We've talked about everybody
except.

799
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,600
For Connor Brady.
For Connor Brady, Yep.

800
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,720
So we didn't talk about Amy, Amy
Rens.

801
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,840
We talked about her a little
bit, but hers was you.

802
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,760
Did you?
Started.

803
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,360
With you, yeah, hers is, I mean,
I think you anything you can do

804
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,800
to catch Amy Wrens anywhere, you
should because you'll learn so

805
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,840
much from her.
She talked about nutrition like

806
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:06,600
and like, like I talked about I
I was impressed by the depth

807
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,280
that she went into because it
was literally like we're talking

808
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,040
macros and micros that we're
talking about in depth stuff.

809
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:19,720
This was not an elementary like
This is why you feed species

810
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:21,360
appropriate.
This was about like the

811
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,760
nutrients and what your pets
need.

812
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,440
It was really cool.
It was really in depth.

813
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,960
It's hard for us to just like
even just like start talking

814
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,720
about it because there's so much
depth to it.

815
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,640
While pet Wellness says OK.
I work in the holistic vet

816
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,480
industry.
Our clients use local vets for

817
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:37,000
diagnostics.
But yes, correct, it's

818
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,720
unaffordable for probably the
most most of the population.

819
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:42,640
Unfortunately, just veterinary
care is so expensive.

820
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,160
And it's not that our vets don't
deserve it and it's not that

821
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,880
it's just not in line with the
industry.

822
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,400
It's just that, you know, we
adopt this dog for $200 at the

823
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,040
shelter and then they you don't
need $1000 in medical stuff and

824
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,760
you're like.
I need, I need Millie's raw life

825
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,880
to like follow me around and
realize how not perfect my hair

826
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,400
is.
She's like, she says Jess's hair

827
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,040
is always perfect.
Shake my head.

828
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,680
She has the best hair.
I tell her all the time.

829
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,080
Millie, thank you so much
because I found her all the

830
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:17,120
time.
It's not fun to be the like the

831
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,800
the friend who like is always
like admiring her hair pet it.

832
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,560
Dogs are barking like crazy.
They're like, she has the best

833
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,320
hair, just the best hair, but
not as good as me.

834
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:35,080
That's Kim since like, she
wishes she had my hair, but it's

835
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,600
really good.
And do either of us have plans

836
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,720
on writing a book?
If we wrote a book, it would not

837
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,600
be about pets.
It would be about.

838
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,960
It would be about that's
hilarious and dating.

839
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,440
And it would that's it would
hilarious.

840
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,880
It would not.
It would not.

841
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:51,800
It would.
Yeah.

842
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:53,040
No, I don't think we should do
that.

843
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,480
We.
Don't think so.

844
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,560
No, I think we just talked
about.

845
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,760
Yeah, we're we we have a lot of
funny discussions about dating

846
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,480
and stuff now.
Single.

847
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,160
And I think if we wrote a book,
it would be pretty entertaining.

848
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,120
Single.
Sorry.

849
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,120
Yeah.
So that's Speaking of Matt

850
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,680
Connor Brady.
Connor Brady.

851
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,440
OK, mute yourself and I'll
start.

852
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,680
Mute yourself and I'll start.
OK?

853
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,440
So yeah, you're muted.
OK, so anyway, so Connor Brady

854
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,560
talked again, like a lot about
yeast and probiotics and

855
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,920
bacteria and that balance in the
gut and all that good stuff.

856
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,720
Poop constantly.
Like, just like poop this and

857
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,640
poop that and poop this and poop
that.

858
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,880
It was kind of hilarious.
He's Irish, for those that are

859
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,440
not aware.
And just like a super cool guy.

860
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,560
Lots of energy in his
presentation.

861
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,600
Lots of poop in his
presentation.

862
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,680
And I think that, you know, I
think that most of the audience

863
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:57,960
was women.
So just like this handsome, like

864
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,920
guy, tall, handsome guy with an
Irish accent.

865
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,680
I don't think many of the people
took anything other than like

866
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:11,120
everyone's like.
Oh my goodness.

867
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,240
I will say Connor cracked me up.
Like he's funny if I didn't

868
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:20,440
already like him as a person.
Just the jokes he made during

869
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,720
his speech, I was like, hell
yes, like.

870
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:27,440
Yeah, and he's very accessible
too.

871
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,440
Like I thought he was very
accessible.

872
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:35,480
He makes it very like elementary
and no judge.

873
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,640
None of the great thing about
all the speakers who were there

874
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,400
is that there was no judgement
on what other people do.

875
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,080
There was no like, these people
don't know and like, Oh my God,

876
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,160
they're doing a terrible job.
It's never that.

877
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,800
It's always like them being
really honest about how they

878
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,000
used to feed their pets, how
they used to care for their pets

879
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,840
and how that evolved and why.
And like he was very accessible

880
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:03,040
to bye.
Thank you for joining us, Wild

881
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,240
Heart Pet Wellness.
Thank you so much.

882
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:09,440
But yeah, I, I was really
impressed with how accessible it

883
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,200
was.
He is not a veterinarian, which

884
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,680
because he is Doctor Connor
Brady.

885
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,640
I thought he was.
And it was at the brewery that

886
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,400
we were talking about something
and he said something and I was

887
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,560
like, wait, you're not a vet.
And he is a doctorate in animal

888
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,040
behavior.
Behavior.

889
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:32,200
But he's not a veterinarian, but
he does do a lot of health, I

890
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:33,600
guess.
Does he still?

891
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,840
Work in there's so much journal,
there's so much overlap.

892
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,000
Yeah.
So at this point he researches

893
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,800
research like, if that makes
sense, like that's what he does.

894
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:51,920
He looks at and aggregates
research and brings it into his

895
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,760
practice with people, which is,
you know, I mean, he he does

896
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,360
some coaching.
I don't know that he does a ton

897
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,720
of coaching anymore, but
supplement.

898
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:04,640
Yeah.
And he has a supplement line.

899
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,440
And so he's used everything he's
learned through that research to

900
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,800
create this all natural
supplement line.

901
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:18,080
And then bringing education to
pet parents through raw pet

902
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:26,920
Medics with, Oh my gosh, I can't
think of the other, I can't tell

903
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,720
you Baylor 2's names at the
moment, but raw pet medics.

904
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,840
And yeah, so I mean, that's he,
he researches research is kind

905
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,160
of what he does.
And he did, he mentioned that he

906
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,360
was on the equivalent of Shark
Tank in Ireland.

907
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,960
So we got to look that up
because that must be really fun.

908
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,280
He said that it's on the
Internet if we want to find it.

909
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,920
So I don't know what it's
called, but he's trying to get

910
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,720
like funding for these
supplement lines.

911
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,600
And then before we forget,
Speaking of men, Billy from

912
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,560
Green Juju was the MC and I
thought he did a really great

913
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,440
job.
Again, really accessible, really

914
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,080
welcoming.
Nothing like he didn't like put

915
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,560
on airs and be like, welcome to
this super important fancy place

916
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,080
that we're all like, you know,
scholars on.

917
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,080
Pets.
Could you imagine Billy doing

918
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,680
that?
But like sometimes, you know,

919
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,240
you feel a lot of people don't
go to this type of event because

920
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:25,040
they feel like it's too in depth
or it's too like these like, you

921
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,360
know, like self-righteous raw
feeders are going to be like

922
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,120
judging me, you know what I
mean?

923
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,240
And I felt even me because like,
I'm aware of a lot of these

924
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:35,760
things, but I don't practice
them.

925
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,240
And I do like know a lot from
being a mom about holistic

926
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,560
options and stuff.
And you know, we all apply what

927
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,400
we can in our lives and in our
families.

928
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,920
But I went in being like, OK,
like, I'm just gonna lay low,

929
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,720
right?
Like, this is Jessica's show.

930
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:57,160
I'm just here for the ride.
But it didn't feel at all

931
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:03,160
stuffy.
Like it didn't feel at all self

932
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,040
we.
Were just we were just all there

933
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,280
having a good time talking like
that's how it.

934
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,680
Feels to me yeah it was very
chill, very low key, very

935
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:17,040
informative, very welcoming.
You know my client Kame, who

936
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,320
owns Hearts at Home Pet sitting
in.

937
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:25,720
They serve Yorktown and Pocosa
and mostly she drove over

938
00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:29,040
because it's like a 30 minute
drive to the event and she came

939
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,360
in, but she was like running
late in the morning.

940
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,200
So she missed Amy's
presentation.

941
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,520
I think Oh, she met, she missed
both Susan and Amy's

942
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,800
presentation, but she stayed for
all the afternoon and she was

943
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,880
going to only come in and like
stay for one.

944
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,040
And she ended up staying the
whole day and buying all sorts

945
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,120
of stuff.
And you know, she's the perfect

946
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,440
person who she's in the
industry, but she's a very full

947
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,320
life.
She has a grandchild, her

948
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:55,640
daughters and her husband is
travels a lot and she runs this

949
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,760
huge business and she's
constantly like trying to grow

950
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,080
herself professionally and
personally and all that.

951
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,800
So she may not be feeding like
homemade food for her pets, but

952
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,960
she knew that she could improve
little by little.

953
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,520
So she kind of went around and
she bought some green juju to

954
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,560
the food so she could use as
toppers.

955
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:18,000
She bought some of the tinctures
from doctor Katie Kangas.

956
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,120
She definitely bought some some
gross stuff from Girls Gone Raw,

957
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,240
as did I.
And you know, she was like, I

958
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,680
don't know if my pets will eat
this, but I'm willing to give it

959
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,360
a shot.
And so that that that was the

960
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,200
best thing for me is how it was.
It was not.

961
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,800
It was not like an expert level
thing.

962
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,360
Yeah.
It was accessible to everybody,

963
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,960
but those people who really do
have experience still took a lot

964
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,520
away.
The people who really are like,

965
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,560
you know, formulators like you
or whatever are still, they're

966
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:58,280
still information.
I mean, you design meat feeding

967
00:54:58,400 --> 00:54:59,480
plants, right?
So I.

968
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,000
Do I do I just don't call myself
a formulator cuz I feel like

969
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:07,200
that I can, yeah.
You could formulate if you had

970
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,560
to.
Yeah.

971
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,720
Well, and I think formulating
for an individual animal versus

972
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:13,920
formulating for.
Yeah, for the mass.

973
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,880
A population, yeah, is very
different also.

974
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,800
Not that I don't think I could
get there and do that, but like

975
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:24,440
it is a different, it is a
different thing and I just want

976
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,280
to acknowledge.
Well, any somebody who

977
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,160
formulates diets for pets or a
pet nutritionist, whatever you

978
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,920
want to call it.
But like, I think that somebody

979
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,200
at your level could take stuff
away still.

980
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:35,760
Absolutely, yeah.
Absolutely.

981
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,480
So it was really cool.
I really enjoyed it.

982
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,640
I thought it was exactly what we
needed.

983
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,600
It was a whole day.
Before we wrap up, tell us about

984
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,280
the coffee shop, the coffee
talk.

985
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,000
Because I left at super early on
Saturday, Sunday morning to go

986
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:55,080
to a concert in DC.
But I left you there and I

987
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,480
assume you checked out.
I did.

988
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,000
I did.
Check out.

989
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,400
I did.
Never asked.

990
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,800
I didn't tell us about the
coffee talk.

991
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,240
Yeah, so the coffee talk was
interesting because it was Billy

992
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,440
Hookman and Kelly Marion from
Green Juju.

993
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,200
And it's really, it really just
turned into a talk about their

994
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,640
probiotics, which was very
interesting because they're

995
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,600
probiotics are completely
different from anything on the

996
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,920
market for pets or humans.
And like, this is a totally new

997
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,520
product, even though it's a
probiotic, it's a totally new

998
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:33,000
type of probiotic.
And nobody else has done them,

999
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,040
has done anything like this.
And so the reality is that it

1000
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:42,680
kind of it, it turned into a lot
of Connor and Billy going back

1001
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,000
and forth and Connor asking a
lot of questions.

1002
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,320
And so like everybody was
listening to listening in on

1003
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,440
this conversation that was
mostly between Connor and Billy

1004
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,840
about the probiotics.
So it was really interesting

1005
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,960
because, you know, talking about
the aerobic bacteria versus

1006
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:05,480
anaerobic bacteria.
And you know, we learned more

1007
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,640
about how Green Juju's new
probiotic, like the, the, the

1008
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:13,160
research that they are putting
behind this product because they

1009
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,840
believe in it so much and what
they're already seeing in some

1010
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,360
of the research.
And it's very, very interesting.

1011
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:27,720
And honestly, why I have been so
excited about this probiotic

1012
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,400
line because, I mean, as I told
Billy, I'm probably gonna take

1013
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,720
it myself.
I was trying to ask that I

1014
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,160
literally can ask that.
Can we use that?

1015
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,360
We can so.
At our own risk of.

1016
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,080
Course, at our own risk.
So Green Juju will never ever,

1017
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,200
ever tell you that you can use
any of their products on humans

1018
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,160
because that is not what they
are designed for.

1019
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,640
However, I did have Billy on the
podcast to talk about the

1020
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,080
probiotics and that was like the
last thing we talked about.

1021
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,360
And he was like, out of any of
our products, these would be the

1022
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,480
ones that I would say are
probably the safest.

1023
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,440
The Chicken Empire wants to know
if we ever look at the live

1024
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:02,840
chat.
Yes, we're looking at the live

1025
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,040
chat right now.
I just don't.

1026
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,400
Hello to you.
Do not.

1027
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,000
Oh, here we go.
Yeah, I was not.

1028
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,600
I was on private chat for some
reason.

1029
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,760
Sorry about.
That, but I mean there's nothing

1030
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,480
coming in.
So yeah, that's the only thing

1031
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,680
we've gotten and then we are
looking at that's why we're

1032
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,040
talking Instagram well.
On Instagram, yeah.

1033
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:25,560
So yeah, I'm really excited for
them because they're there's

1034
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,560
nothing else like them on the
market.

1035
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:37,840
And so just to hear.
So just to hear, you know, the

1036
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,920
questions that Connor had and
Billy giving the answers to it,

1037
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,920
I think was like kind of a
master class and how people on

1038
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:53,040
their level thank people who are
creating supplements and why and

1039
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:55,120
what they're looking for and
why.

1040
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,960
It was kind of like it was.
It was very, very interesting.

1041
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,840
And the first beauty of these
get together, yes, I think

1042
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,600
that's where the magic happens,
like where you're like a fly on

1043
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,960
the wall for in these
conversations.

1044
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,680
That happens to me a lot when I
like tagging along with you at

1045
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,880
Super Zoo because my focus is
digital marketing.

1046
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,200
Not that help.
And I just kind of listen and I

1047
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,640
listen and I listen and I like
discover products and I'm like,

1048
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,960
and I actually end up using
those a lot because my clients

1049
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,160
might ask like, oh, like, like
what we just collaborated on you

1050
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,680
and I last week, like a like
natural flea and tick prevention

1051
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,200
and like I'll discover how these
things work.

1052
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,240
Just listening, just listening
to these conversations with Jess

1053
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,080
or like other people in the pet
space, in the healthy pet space.

1054
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,440
And super just coming up, it's
in two weeks and like they have

1055
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,800
a huge healthy pet space area.
You know, we walk around and say

1056
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,640
hi to people we know, but also
like we're just a lot of people

1057
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,120
launch products there.
So like there's a lot of like

1058
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,760
conversations about that and I
just listen and I discovered so

1059
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,560
much.
I'm listening from to you.

1060
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:04,960
Just ask the questions.
You know, just discovering like

1061
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:10,280
in individual ingredients that,
you know, you may be like last

1062
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,720
year I discovered Ahi flower as
like an omega-3.

1063
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,400
And that was not in the healthy
pet space that was like outside.

1064
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,880
And then so since then I've been
looking at, you know, kind of

1065
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,320
products for humans and stuff
that are ahi flower.

1066
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,880
I just got some Omega threes
that had ahi flower in them.

1067
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,880
My mom's like, what is that?
I'm like, it's a flower and, you

1068
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,480
know, it's, it's like a
botanical or whatever.

1069
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,600
And she was like, oh, and I
learned that at Super Zoo,

1070
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,520
right?
So yeah, it's really cool.

1071
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,320
That's when the magic happens,
when you start like, hearing

1072
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,680
people who know what questions
to ask because that's what most

1073
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,480
pet parents don't know.
Yeah, it's what questions to

1074
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,760
ask.
Exactly, Exactly.

1075
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,120
Yeah, that it is.
It is very interesting.

1076
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,400
And then of course, there was no
discussion really, because Billy

1077
01:00:55,400 --> 01:01:00,160
was like, has anyone like who
here has heard of C15?

1078
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,880
And I mean, of course, you know,
a handful of us had.

1079
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:08,440
But like, it's, it's these
things that are like just

1080
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,280
starting to be researched, just
starting to come out on the

1081
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,840
market, just start like we're
just starting to see the

1082
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:20,040
benefits of.
So it, it really does get you in

1083
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,720
a place where you're like, just
like you said, like it's like

1084
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:27,600
you're a family on the wall and
a mastermind, right?

1085
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,560
Like and it's just so cool.
It's and it lets you.

1086
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,880
It lets you discover stuff that
you can maybe add to your daily

1087
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:36,840
routine.
For example, my friend here,

1088
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:41,240
Jessica, bought me tremella from
Real Mushrooms and now I drink

1089
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,280
it in my coffee.
Yeah.

1090
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:47,080
And it is like the Botox of
mushrooms, yes.

1091
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:49,840
And I have.
Next time you see me, I'm going

1092
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,440
to look 10 years younger just
because I've been taking that.

1093
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,840
So yeah, it's like you
discovered these things that

1094
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,680
like, I didn't know there was a
Botox of mushrooms.

1095
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,720
I know you've said it before in
other lives.

1096
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,360
So like, I know that, but it was
one of those things that like at

1097
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,160
the time I didn't yeah.
And what better than your friend

1098
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,760
to just purchase one for you and
hand it to you as a gift?

1099
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,160
So like obviously it got my
attention more so than in the

1100
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,080
past.
But those that's like so cool

1101
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,720
that we went to this.
We had an awesome weekend, girls

1102
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,560
week.
We did all these like self help

1103
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,920
things and like self-care things
together.

1104
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,400
And then, you know, I ended up
leaving with like this mushroom

1105
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,600
that's going to give me life.
Yeah, I haven't started taking

1106
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,360
mine yet, so you're way ahead of
me.

1107
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:33,680
I have, I had it with a lavender
tea the other day.

1108
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,920
It's a little powdery.
So I think that it's better.

1109
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,760
Yeah.
I was like a lavender tea at

1110
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,680
night and I just.
It's a little powdery, but it

1111
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,400
almost like if you put it in
like an English breakfast, it

1112
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:48,120
might almost give it the vibe of
like milk or, or like Creamer.

1113
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:48,640
Yeah.
Because.

1114
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:55,240
It's like a little well, it, it
will thicken and you like if

1115
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:59,280
you're making a dressing or a
yes or whatever, like it will

1116
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,480
it's, it is like.
A did I get a real tox?

1117
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,200
The Chicken Empire is asking a
lot of questions.

1118
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,600
Yeah.
So this live is about a recap of

1119
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,840
of an event, but we're about to
wrap up that.

1120
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,280
You're welcome to watch the
replay as soon as we end the

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01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:17,760
stream.
This event was about pet health

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01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,920
and it took place two weeks ago.
So thank you for joining us, the

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01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,720
Chicken Empire, and whether or
not I get real Botox is for you

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01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:32,040
to decide.
My face.

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01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,320
Gracious.
OK, so that's it.

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01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,120
I think that was a really good
recap.

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01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,040
I think if there's any takeaways
is go follow all the people we

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01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:43,640
talked about.
That's like the biggest thing.

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01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:48,000
And if you want us to tag them,
just let us know and we'll tag

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01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,600
them all in comments so you can
go follow them from there.

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01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,920
That's easier.
But yeah, thank you guys for

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01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,880
joining us and we will see you
from Super Zoo.

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,000
In two weeks.
In two weeks, are we doing this

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01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,440
on Tuesday then and then or we
or is the Thursday going to be

1135
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,560
this?
That's a really good question.

1136
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:11,200
I don't know.
I mean, we're, I think we'll

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01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,840
have time Tuesday if we want to
do like a pregame.

1138
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:20,080
We can do this one here and then
or we can do covered in Pet Hair

1139
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,040
Thursday.
I can do that one like instead

1140
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,360
of my show.
I don't know.

1141
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,520
I was going to do a live podcast
from there and I've asked a

1142
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,400
couple people but they haven't
confirmed.

1143
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,360
So if not, we'll just have you
be the guest.

1144
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,680
OK, Will you do that?
Sounds good to me.

1145
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:41,000
So whatever you guys want to
know about Super Zoom, let us

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01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,320
know.
We've covered Super Zoom in the

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01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,240
past.
There is a live from super zoo

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,480
in this feed in the pet
parenting reset and in covered

1149
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,680
in pet hair on Facebook and
YouTube.

1150
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:57,400
And I, I encourage you to kind
of send us any products you want

1151
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,280
us to check out.
Hi, Billy.

1152
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,000
We were just talking about you.
I.

1153
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,240
Can't tell you how often we talk
about green juju in these lives.

1154
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,600
Period.
I mean, that's what I feed my

1155
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,040
thoughts.
I've got my dogs a combination

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01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,960
of green juju and kibble because
that's where I live right now.

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01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:17,360
That's where I am right now.
That's as high as the standard

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01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,720
gets right now.
And I love green juju.

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01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:22,720
And Billy, we were just saying
you did a great job as MC.

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01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:26,720
You made it very accessible.
You were very welcoming, kind of

1161
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:32,280
punny, and we really enjoyed you
as the MC of the More You Know

1162
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,560
Pet Wellness Summit.
I like how you said we.

1163
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,280
It was really Isabel who said
all of that, but.

1164
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,000
No, it's OK.
I feel like it was a consensus

1165
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,320
it.
Was it was a consensus?

1166
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:46,400
I'm just messing.
With them.

1167
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,440
Dang, tough critics around here.
I am tough.

1168
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,320
You are tough, critic.
You are too.

1169
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,160
I know she's.
Not she is she is very kind,

1170
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,960
but.
Yeah, it was a really good

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01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,040
event.
And those of you who are in

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01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:05,960
Williamsburg or driving distance
from it like you, you definitely

1173
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:07,800
should go next year.
Like check it out.

1174
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,160
What if you're I think there
were there were people from

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01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,920
Northern Virginia who went.
I met a number of people from

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01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:17,160
Northern Virginia there.
One lady owned a pet store,

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01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:22,600
supply store in Manassas.
There was AI feel like she was a

1178
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,920
dog trainer from Northern
Virginia as well.

1179
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:30,520
There were people from all over
that area from from Virginia and

1180
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,560
from like North Carolina, I
think.

1181
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:36,200
So it was really well attended
and not just people locally.

1182
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,040
And honestly, just the just the
goodie bag, just the swag bag

1183
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,280
was worth the drive.
It was and if you're here

1184
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:46,120
anywhere near Williamsburg at
all, like ever, just stop into

1185
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,040
the Nautical Dog.
It's an amazing, amazing store.

1186
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,680
Amanda's staff is so well
trained, they're so

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01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,040
knowledgeable.
They sell some of the best

1188
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,160
products that you can get for
your pets so.

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01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:01,280
Yeah, and actually, Amanda
Bravo, because this is the third

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01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,680
time she's put this together.
It was completely so well done.

1191
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,880
It was professional, it was
organized.

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01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,480
It went off without a hitch.
They had food and coffee and all

1193
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,920
these things.
And it was just like really a

1194
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,200
plus on the planning and
execution.

1195
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,640
And the speakers and all the
attendees were great people.

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01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,360
It was just a overwhelming
success, I think from from, you

1197
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,000
know, an outsider looking in and
I've been to many conferences in

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01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:31,000
our industry, IMC myself and I
speak and stuff and like, you

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01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,280
know, like not all conferences
are created equal.

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01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:34,280
She did a really good.
Job.

1201
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,120
No, they're not.
Yeah, no.

1202
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,560
Amanda's amazing.
She's a marketer who happens to

1203
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,760
own a pet store, so she really
sets the bar high.

1204
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,840
Yeah, and the venue was forced,
so that doesn't hurt either.

1205
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,680
Yeah, yeah.
Well, thank you guys so much for

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01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,600
joining us.
Thank you for jumping in, Billy.

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01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,640
That was that was a fun treat.
And yeah, we'll see you guys in

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01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,720
two weeks live from Super Zoo
either.

1209
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,080
Tuesday or Thursday, stay tuned.
Or both.

1210
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:02,480
Or both.
We'll see how we feel.

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01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:04,000
Bye.