Should You Feed Vegetables to Dogs? Dr Conor Brady on the Real Plant Problem

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How many times have you been
told that you need to add this

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vegetable or that fruit and we
need to be feeding 20%

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vegetation in our dog's bowl?
How many times have you heard

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that?
I know in the last decade I have

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been hearing it more and more
and more and more and it doesn't

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sit right with me.
It hasn't sat right with me.

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I know that yes.
Are there benefits in the

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sulforaphane from the broccoli
for particular dogs?

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Yeah, probably.
Are there benefits in the

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antioxidants of a blueberry?
OK, We know this for sure in

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humans.
Do we know it for sure in dogs?

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Maybe with some dogs.
A lot of what we know is based

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on kibble fed dogs and there is
so much to be said for the need

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for learning different things
for kibble fed dogs versus fresh

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fed dogs.
And not just fresh fed dogs, but

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dogs that are fed high meat,
bone organ content diets of

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animals that are grown
appropriately, meaning they're

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getting the amount of sunlight
they're supposed to get.

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They are grazing on the grass,
are supposed to be grazing on.

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They're being fed whatever food
is actually species appropriate

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for them.
They're being raised in a

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regenerative way that is very
natural for them.

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That is the ultimate right.
That is what I think we're all

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looking to be doing with our
animals.

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And there are so many tangents
that we can go down with

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vegetable matter for our pets.
And I have today's guest talking

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to us about vegetable matter
with dogs specifically.

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And I'm so excited for this
because this is Doctor Connor

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Brady for our 250th episode of
the Pet Parenting Reset.

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I was so excited that he is
joining me today and not just

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joining me today, but to talk
about this matter in particular

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because boy, oh boy, does this
differentiate.

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This makes people go I am team
vegetable or I am team no

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vegetable.
Like this is a topic that really

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divides people and for good
reason because we don't actually

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know.
We don't actually know, but

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there are some things that we do
know and that's what Connor is

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here to talk about.
This is also, I'm going to just

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go ahead and say this because I
haven't known how to say it, but

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this is also why I'm moving away
from providing complete and

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balanced recipes to my
one-on-one clients.

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Can I still do it?
Yes, of course I can.

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Do I think it's the most
beneficial for animals?

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No, I do not.
And so it's not something that I

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am going to continue to provide
for my clients unless absolutely

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necessary.
And I'm not sure when it would

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be necessary, but you know, I
have the ability if and when I

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actually need to have that
happen.

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That being said, it's not my
intention to be doing that any

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longer.
I just don't think it's actually

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beneficial for our animals.
And Doctor Connor Brady explains

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a lot of the reasons why.
I think we are missing the boat

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when we do not feed whole prey.
I think we are missing the boat

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when we are not feeding the
skin, the fur, the feathers, the

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all the things of the animal
that if you watch a dog or a

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cat, any form of canid or feline
in the wild, that they eat it.

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And there's a lot of benefit to
it.

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So Doctor Connor Brady explains
why in today's episode.

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So please join me for I'm so
excited for the 250th episode

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with Doctor Connor Brady.
And when you are done listening

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to this episode, I would love
for you to reach out to me,

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whether it's on Spotify or
Instagram or YouTube or wherever

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else, and let me know if this
changes how you think about

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feeding your dog or your cat at
all.

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Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.
I don't know.

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I want to keep this conversation
going with you because it is one

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of the most important
conversations we can be having

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right now, especially with all
of the things I've been trying

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to bring into 2026 with how we
actually need to be treating our

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dogs and cats like dogs and
cats.

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The circadian rhythm, the
sunlight, the clean air, the

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frequencies, all of the things
that nature gives us that we

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completely overlook.
So without any further ado, here

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is Doctor Connor Brady.
Welcome to the Pet Parenting

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Reset podcast.
If you're new here, my name is

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Jess and this is a space where
we talk about all things health,

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span, and quality of life for
your pets and you too.

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I'm so excited that you're here.
Let's dive in right into it.

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Welcome, Connor Brady, how the
heck have you been?

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Tell me about that beautiful
little baby.

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Happy belated birthday, all the
things.

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As you say that, my wife just
sneaks that into the room, which

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is a little monitor, and I'm
like, where are you going,

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Elaine?
She goes, oh, I'm just heading

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out for whatever.
So if that, if the baby starts

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crying, I'm going to have to go.
So very topical.

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You ask me.
He's good.

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He's good.
Yeah.

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Lovely little baby.
Easy, easy going.

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I've had two girls at the start
and the boy seems to be very,

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very simple character.
So maybe that's reflective of

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the whole difference in the
sexes.

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Maybe.
Who knows?

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But going well so far.
I don't know.

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Well, I I was the first boy and
my mom had a boy next and she

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has always said my whole life
that boys are easier.

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So what that says about me, I
don't know.

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Yeah, yeah, that was a very nice
way of saying it to you.

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Yeah.
Anyway.

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We'll see.
I know that we are kind of short

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on time today, and I apologize
for all of the delays.

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Yeah, this is this is such a big
topic to me.

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I I just want to hear you talk
as much as you want about the

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plant problem because it is we,
we still have so much divide

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around plants for dogs.
Yeah, we sure do.

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Yeah, I did that talk last year.
I said the plant problem.

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And you know, in hindsight, I
probably should have given it a

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easier title because people hear
things for the first time, uh,

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particularly when you're at
conferences and you're kind of

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tired and you've got 4045
minutes to listen to this

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person.
And so, umm, it definitely kind

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of startles people.
We shouldn't feed plants.

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And so I really hope people
don't take that message away

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from it.
But as we, as I don't, you know,

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another thing that kind of
bothers me sometimes is that

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there's a need to be dramatic
these days.

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There's a need to have the thing
that's a problem.

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And if you don't listen to this
problem, it's a real hook.

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It's how Instagram reels are
done to your YouTube reels.

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It's like, here's a problem that
you don't know how to address,

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but I do.
And you're like, hmm, I do

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actually want to know the
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And so that bothers me too.
I kind of bounce off that

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information.
But I did see a great YouTube

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video by a fellow called Doctor
Paul Mason who does he's called

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low carb down under is his
YouTube title, YouTube name.

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And he had a great video, real
simple presentation, him stand

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on stage and he just said, look,
what do you know about plant

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fiber?
And you know, you think you know

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stuff about plant fiber, but I
never actually dug into it at

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all.
I never thought of it as a

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really, uh, uh, gritty kind of,
uh, topic for me to, to, to

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spend much time on.
And then he shows a few studies

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that I was very surprised at.
You know, he said, like, you

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probably think that fiber bulks
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And you would have thought that
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some sort of impact on that.
He said, no, no, no.

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The stools of humans are always
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matter what is going on in your
life, unless you're in some

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disease state where the body's
trying to flush something out or

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something dramatic is happening.
And I thought, hmm, I am

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surprised because I thought if
you ate a lot of fibre would do

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certain things.
And he said, no, the body will

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always keep your stool at that
because it's needed for the

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speed of how things move through
your body and how to get it out.

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So, but he moves on from that.
And he said there's a couple of

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other things we don't
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We didn't know about fiber.
What do you know about fiber and

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Constipation?
And he put up this fabulous

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slide set of four slides.
It was a famous study.

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There's been loads of them.
It's not the only one.

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So it's not like an outlier of a
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This is what the studies should
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And for like 20-30 years, we
knew that plant fiber, adding it

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to humans diets, human diets
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humans.
Now that's a big one because

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it's like what I, I mean, that
was the whole thing, you know,

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from in the 1950s, some dudes,
umm, what was his name?

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Burke Wits Burke.
It's umm he started L looking

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around and why, why did people
in Africa not get so much colon

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cancer and hemorrhoids as people
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And that was because they eat
more fibre, apparently.

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Now he didn't ever did any
studies on that.

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And that kind of theme worked
very well at the time because

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the food pyramid had just been
kind of created by the Kellogg

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Company and the, the 7th day
evangelists who are a vegetarian

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vegan, uh, group over in the US
for people not in the US that

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are listening to this.
And the food pyramid was heavy

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on carbohydrates at the bottom.
We all grew up with it in

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school, you know, lots of bread
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bottom and then veg and then
meat and then day.

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Today, if you flipped a thing
upside down, you'd probably be

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better off in life, although
that's hard for people to accept

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at the moment.
But at the time, the whole plant

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fiber, good fear guts idea was
great for the message being put

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out, which was eat more grain,
which was great for, uh, the

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American economy at the time,
which was growing a lot of

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wheat.
The, the corn belt was coming on

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side and they wanted to sell
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And so, uh, the idea that plant
fiber was good for Constipation

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was just one of the parts of
this thing, But nobody really

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thought to test this.
But a big review in the early

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2000 said plant fiber seems to
have little to no effect on

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Constipation.
And the main reason for that is

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because there's about 12
different causes of Constipation

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in your body.
There is many, many different

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reasons why you get constipated.
And a lack of fiber, be it plant

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or otherwise, is just one of the
12 reasons why you get

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Constipation.
The other 11 are nothing to do

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with plant fiber.
And so if you have Constipation,

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it might be, well, which type of
Constipation do you have?

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Most of us eat some plant
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Most of us are eating meat and
there's fiber in there as well.

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And we can talk about it later.
But for that to be a lack of

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fiber, it doesn't hold up with
the studies.

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But here was a study that he
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And it's one of those studies
that for me, when I see it, I

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go, oh, well, that's that out
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It's like saying all Swans are
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And then you see a Black Swan
and you go, that statement no

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longer holds.
And what he showed was they got

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60 or 70 of the worst
constipated humans on the

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planet.
I mean, this people don't poo

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for seven days.
They have a lot of bleeding, a

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lot of pain, a lot of bloat.
I mean, utterly miserable life,

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uh, with this issue, cannot
imagine how bad it can get for

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these particular patients.
So the isolated 70 of them when

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they said, OK, let's follow the
dietary advice from, uh, Lucas

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Direty about the CDC, perhaps in
the USI don't know the NHS,

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which is the, the health system
in the UKHSE here in Ireland, it

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doesn't matter.
They all say the exact same

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thing.
Lots of plant fibre for good,

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good health.
And when you're constipated,

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ramp up your plant fibre.
That's the advice.

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You can Google it.
It's everybody, it's still

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there.
So they took these 70 patients

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and they said, OK, let's follow
the advice from the authorities.

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They're hardly ever wrong about
nutrition and let's ramp up the

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plant fibre and see how we get
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And he had 5 or 6 different bars
for abdominal pain, rectal

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bleeding blows.
How often you're putting how all

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these different symptom bars and
they're all quite high in these

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70 people.
And he ramps up the plant fiber

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and they and they are not he
that somebody else did the study

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and what happens all the
symptoms, they increased every

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single one of them across the
board all went up from, you

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know, high to really high.
And he went bloody hell, this is

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not boss.
They told us on the pack.

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They said if we rampled plant
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You know, and that nice position
dog, we see you peekaboo just

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getting in on camera.
It's like somebody's kind of

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crashing yourself.
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plant fiber and the and the
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across the board.
All 70.

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There wasn't a there wasn't like
a group of 10 that didn't

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fantastic.
It was a completely, completely

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aggravated their, their
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So they said, OK, that didn't
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So the next thing that these
scientists did was OK, you know

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what, let's divide the advice by
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Let's divide the plant fibre
additions by 50% and just see

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what happens.
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plant fibre, what should happen
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So they cut up by 50% and you
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third slide is the symptoms fall
huge chunk, huge drop off, maybe

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say 50% is bad, but a big
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you drop the plant fibre.
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see what happens when we cut
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to meat and, and, and dairy and
all those sort of guys,

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borderline carnivore diet, which
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let's see what happens when we
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what happens?
All the symptoms.

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He presses the next slide and
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There's all the symptoms there
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And he goes, this isn't a
mistake.

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Every single symptom in every
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And I was like, how can that
possibly be with everything I

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thought I knew about plant
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How can that possibly be?
Plant fiber is essential for

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good health and Constipation and
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And he said, it's just not true.
There is no evidence whereby you

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take a random selection of
people with Constipation, 12

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different causes ramp up the
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He goes, here's the truth of us.
When you a stool mass, when you

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pick up a, a, a stool, a poo,
uh, about 30 to 50% of the

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weight of that stool is dead.
Microbial mass, dead bodies of

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bacteria.
It's incredible.

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It's actually how a Hummingbird
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Hummingbirds drink nectar, they
drink sugar, OK, They don't eat

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protein.
They don't eat, you know, meat.

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They don't eat peanuts, they
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They just eat sugar.
So how does a Hummingbird grow

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its protein?
E body.

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The whole thing you see in front
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Where do they get the protein
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They farmers, they feed the
bacteria in their guts and they

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absorb the bacterial bodies and
they get the protein they need

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from those bodies the same way a
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A cow eats grass.
There's not a lot of protein in

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grass, but they farmers and the
bacteria not only produce cool

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fats called butyrates, which
power the cow, but they also die

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off in huge amounts.
And when they die off, they now

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have proteins that they can
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are easy to digest.
So that's how cows, that's how

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hummingbirds do it.
But when we eat lots of plant

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fibre, what happens to, they say
that 30, we say 30 to 50% of a

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stool is dead microbial bodies.
Well, it turns out that if you

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have a high meat diet with not
so much plant matter, it's about

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30% plant body or, uh, microbial
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If you eat a high vegan diet, it
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What's the point?
Bacterial.

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Bacterial bodies love
carbohydrates and plant fiber.

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And if you eat lots of plant
fiber, you will grow more

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bacterial bodies in your system
because there's more food for

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them to eat, and when they grow,
they die off.

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So what happens is when you eat
more plant fiber, you produce

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more poo, more stool.
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producing more stool into the
colon is not what you want.

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I put up a picture of a dog's
nose peeking through the fence,

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you know, and there's a little
hole and that the dog's nose is

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just true.
And I was like, it's not more

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ass.
This dog needs to get through

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that little hole in the fence.
You know, it's just, it's, it's

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not more cars on the road.
And so it's completely

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counterproductive to give more
plant fibre to a person that is

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struggling to pass still, unless
you're absolutely positive they

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had a lack of plant fibre.
If they'd been living on pure

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white rice, pure starch, you
know, with no fibre in it and

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they weren't eating any meat
where you get fibre from too,

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then, you know, you maybe you
might think, OK, plant fiber

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might be handy, but in the
patients that they've tested,

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it's just not the case.
So when I see a study like that,

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I go, bloody hell, I have been
completely thinking the wrong

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way about plant fiber because I
deal with a lot of constipated

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dogs.
That's like, oh, this put in

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more plant fiber to help the
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Absolutely not.
The very next place I went, and

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I'll finish on this because I'm,
I'm going off on one here, but

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the very next place I went is
something that I was already

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familiar with and that was IBD
dogs and particularly humans

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with, with IBD.
And what the studies show across

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the board is you most cut out
plant fibre.

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And it's not just plant fibre,
but what we think of, which is

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like the fibre stuff in plants
that help them grow rigid and

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strong.
It's not just those, there's

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these other things that you
might or might not have heard of

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called Fodmaps.
And Fodmaps is a, is a, an

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anagrammist FODMAPS.
And so they go saccharides and

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polyols and whatever else it
stands for.

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And those Fodmaps or other types
of, uh, hard to digest, uh, umm,

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bits in plants, which are in the
kind of fiber category, but they

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also feed bacteria at a, at a
furious rate.

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And some people, they struggle
really badly.

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They'll grow a huge amount of
bacteria quickly.

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So what happens is you get this
bloom of bacteria in your small

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intestines, which results in a
lot of gas.

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So plant fiber Fodmaps, uh, have
to be reduced, uh, to virtually

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0 in patients with IBD, human
patients with IBD.

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And this is not even up for
debate.

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If you type in any IBD studies,
don't go to the government

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websites, You go to any study
and type it in.

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It's like, umm, in these
studies.

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And even the authors themselves
will say, well, we reduced plant

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fibre or Fodmaps and their
issues fall away.

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And then of course, as soon as
the patients recover, what we

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do, but we put plant fibre back
in again because plant fibre is

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so important for your health.
And so these IBD patients go up

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and then cut it out and move up
back up again and back, as we

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all see with IBD cannot get on
top of it if you're with

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conventional, conventional
doctors because they're so sure

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plant fiber is good for health.
Finally, the last nail in the

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coffin was the colon cancer
study that came out about half a

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year before I I did the talk.
I was driven to do a talk and

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that was plant fiber has no
effect on colon cancer.

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Plant fiber intake.
That's a review of hundreds of

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thousands of people.
It was utterly enormous.

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There are small studies that
disagree with that, but when you

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look at the large ones, they
don't.

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So and the things that I thought
were absolute concrete, I didn't

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need to look at, you know, like
water stops you being thirsty

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type facts.
I just assumed the things about

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plant forever and I thought,
wow, they really don't apply

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because I, I knew about plant
forever IBD, but not the

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Constipation, but not the colon
cancer.

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But, and I was like, wow, if I
don't know this about human

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nutrition and plant fiber and
human nutrition, what do we not

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know?
What do we know or is going on

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in dogs?
How, how could dogs possibly be

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better with plant fiber than us?
I mean, we are meat and plant

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eaters.
We have longer digestive

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systems.
We have, we have sequins, we

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have like a slow digestive
system full of bacteria like

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Lactobacillus and Biffle that
want to digest this fibre.

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Dogs are meat eaters, smooth,
like a pipe, foop, very fast.

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It's not a fermentation kind of
chamber, it's more of a

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digestion.
They focus much more heavily on

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digestion.
Acidic guts and bigger

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gallbladders, bigger pancreas,
enzymatic digestion of this easy

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to digest meal.
Yes, they ferment some bits and

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pieces.
Not so much plant fibre,

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although perhaps little bits and
pieces.

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Who knows.
And but it's not there for plant

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digestion.
Our body is more is better at

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that.
And then of course, a cow being

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even better because it's even
longer with more dead ends and

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whatever.
So how could a dog be better

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with plant fiber than us?
And it turns out they absolutely

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aren't.
Studies show when you feed plant

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fiber, the dogs, they struggle
to digest really key nutrients.

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The most important one.
They're hopped off the page very

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quickly.
God, you're right saying you

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just have to wind me up because
this topic really winds field.

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I'm sorry.
But this last bit, this last

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bit, if I could just say some of
the most important, uh, studies

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on kind of adding plant fiber to
dogs is yes, it slows down the

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passage of digester through
them.

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Is that necessary for a meat
eater?

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Is that beneficial for them?
Nobody thought to check, but

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when they, uh, because it's good
for humans, we thought, oh, it

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might be good for dogs, but
they've a different throughput.

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And, but what happens is plant
fiber binds bile acids.

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So carnivores work slightly
differently to us.

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They have taurine conjugated
bile, so the bile that they're

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little there beside them,
underneath the, the, the from

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the gallbladder, uh, releases
boil and it's taurine conjugated

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boil.
And when it gets into the body,

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it digests the, any spare bits
of taurine that are around from

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the fat and then they bring it
back in again.

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It's like a little cycle.
And taurine is the most

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important nutrient in meat
eaters, how their antioxidant

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system runs.
And when you give them plant

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fibre like beet pulp or all the
other leftovers of the human

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food industry that they pump
into dry pet food, and when you

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feed a lot of that to dogs,
their ability to reabsorb

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Taurian plummets.
And so if you're worried about

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DCM and dogs, which kills, you
know, huge amounts of dogs each

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year, I think a million dogs a
year of your 90 million in the

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US die of DCM.
It's from a Lacatorian.

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Now, is it a Lacatorian they put
in the pet food?

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It sure was in the 1970s.
They stopped putting me

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completely into pet food.
And then they realized all these

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10s of thousands of cats and
dogs died at the time, and they

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realized, hmm, bloody hell,
we're not there.

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Well, there's something's going
wrong.

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And then they realized there was
a lacatorian and they said, Oh

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no, we add Taurian to our food.
Well, it would have been great

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if you just gave them meat.
But instead they say Taurian.

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That's why I say cats need
taurians.

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Like what?
Cats need meat and that was the

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whole advent of AFCO and the
whole pet food thing.

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It was all about DCM.
But we know that all cables

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cause DCM, grain free pet food,
cereal based pet food.

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None of them are immune to it.
And was it a lack of meat going

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in possibly or is it that too
much plant fiber is being used

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which shows that it struggles?
So that was just what that was

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my very first dip into it.
But there was many, many other

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little factoids we could talk
about with the the effects of

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fiber, you know.
So that was that was the

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Stardust, if you can believe.
Well, that's fascinating.

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I when I first started trying to
figure out food for myself, it

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was because I had a kidney
stone, which is incredibly

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painful.
I don't know if you've ever had

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one.
I never wish anyone knew. 1 And

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so I went down the rabbit hole
of like what causes kidney

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stones, which is everything in
the world apparently.

446
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And but I, I really went down
the carnivore or animal based

447
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,480
diet like rabbit hole and I felt
better than I ever felt in my

448
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,400
whole life when I went on an
animal based diet, which was

449
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,120
strange to me because I'm like,
aren't we're omnivores, aren't

450
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:31,120
we?
Like, but it did.

451
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:35,320
It made me feel amazing and just
made me like double down what I

452
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,320
was doing for my pets, knowing
that they're carnivores.

453
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,560
But it does make me wonder,
like, well, two things.

454
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,400
One, when I had Doctor
Billinghurst on, one of the

455
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,200
things he said to me, you know,
we have so much information

456
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,080
today about the microbiome and
how diverse we need to have the

457
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,600
microbiome and all of these
things.

458
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,840
And he's like, really?
How do we know that?

459
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:06,400
Yeah, we're not God.
Yeah, yeah, totally agree with

460
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,840
that.
But we're never, I disagree with

461
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,800
hardly anything.
He never says he's, he's always

462
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,760
on point and I have totally
moved away from all that myself.

463
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,320
If you're here, it's because
your pet isn't just a pet, your

464
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,400
family and you can feel when
something's off, even if the

465
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,880
labs look normal.
That's why I created Wild

466
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:30,120
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467
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:33,280
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stressors your pets body is

468
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,760
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469
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,920
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470
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471
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healing journey.

472
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:59,040
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally agree
with that.

473
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,720
But we're never, I disagree with
hardly anything.

474
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,640
He never says he's he's always
on point.

475
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,520
And I have totally moved away
from all that myself to the

476
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,960
point that I don't recommend
over the counter probiotics and

477
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,760
all that kind of stuff.
I'm really questioning what we

478
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,800
know, particularly applying what
we know in humans to a dog, you

479
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,840
know, very different system,
very different setup.

480
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,360
And yeah, the whole, uh,
thinking that we understand

481
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:22,400
what's going on.
Thousands and thousands of

482
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,520
species, bacteria and viral
particles and yeast and all

483
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,160
competing.
It's like a highly complex

484
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,800
natural system.
And we just start lobbing in

485
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,840
more wildebeest, more
wildebeest, more wildebeest or

486
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,760
more lions, more lions.
And it can work for a little

487
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,560
while, but that, uh, as, as we,
we see in like a, you know, wild

488
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,680
parks and stuff, when you're
making, in these introductions

489
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,880
or introducing some invasive
species, you want to be very

490
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,720
careful.
And the studies are catching up

491
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,160
on probiotics too.
So I'm not sure about the

492
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,520
richness thing.
I'm not sure about it.

493
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,440
And dogs, there's no long term
studies showing that they're

494
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,920
healthier.
They just say this, the bacteria

495
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,560
flora was richer, therefore
they're going to be healthier.

496
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,640
And it's like, well, that
therefore bit is just marketing

497
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,640
nonsense in science terms.
Show me the Therefore show me

498
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,760
what happened to the dogs after
a year, 2 years.

499
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,720
You know, we now know that
taking probiotics with

500
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,840
antibiotics actually reduces,
actually increases.

501
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,520
It's harder for your body to
return to normal when you take

502
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,800
probiotics with antibiotics.
Who would have thought?

503
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,960
I've been telling people to take
probiotics or antibiotics for

504
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,000
years, but a study following
them for six months showed that

505
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,600
if you took probiotics with
antibiotics, it took your body.

506
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,360
Your body in fact, didn't return
to the normal floral state,

507
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,200
whereas if you took the
antibiotics, it was far more

508
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,920
likely to.
Like, these things are just new

509
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,360
to us and we, we don't
understand what we think we do

510
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,440
because we're, it's a real
humanist thing to look in there

511
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,200
and unders, Oh, we know what to
do.

512
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,640
But, uh, and dogs are, are
different again.

513
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,640
So, yeah, anytime people isolate
some weird bacteria from a wolf

514
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,960
turd or a caveman's book crack,
I always think, bloody hell, you

515
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,680
know, is this really what my
little pukum's needs here?

516
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,040
Umm, the fiber thing would be a
far more fiber.

517
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,320
Talking about fiber is at the
front end of the debate.

518
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,560
Probiotics is in the middle.
So probiotics are the actual

519
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,400
life themselves, you know, How
could you possibly understand

520
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,720
what's going on in that system?
It's right for you in that

521
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,960
moment.
Do you know that identical twins

522
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,000
living in the same house have
only shared 20 to 30% of their

523
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,200
Biome?
Only 20 to 30% living in the

524
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,560
same home.
So probably on a similar diet,

525
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,000
but because of the stressors and
everything else but the

526
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,120
identical genes, completely
different biomes, how could you

527
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,640
possibly think you could sell a
product that suits everybody?

528
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,760
It's just nonsense.
We all interact with the world

529
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,920
completely differently based on
a too many factors that we can

530
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,120
understand.
What's going on in the Biome is

531
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:38,760
just a response and it suits
that environment.

532
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,400
Piling in the more people into
the messed up city probably

533
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,480
isn't the best way to go about
of finding why the city went

534
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,560
wrong, you know, and then the
people will come.

535
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,800
So that's what the fiber
approach is, but it's like what

536
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,760
type of fiber you're going to
use to fix that.

537
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,280
We focus on Foss and we focus on
apple peels and we focus on

538
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,440
these things that we know can
help us when we're got sick and

539
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,120
we deploy them in dogs.
And if you've got a really bad

540
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,120
gut sick dog.
So the studies show, if you've

541
00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:09,800
got me first, you know, various
very small studies, 6 or 8

542
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,920
terribly good sick dogs and they
get probiotics, they they can

543
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,600
improve the speed of recovery.
But that's comparing dogs that

544
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,520
don't get anything.
You know, it's like, well, how

545
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,520
maybe if you gave them a pinch
of chamomile, they'd do even

546
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,960
better and they wouldn't have
any problems in in half a year,

547
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,160
a year.
Or they don't compare it to a

548
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,960
normal way of recovering the
dog, a spoon of bone broth, you

549
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,400
know, a few times a day.
Have you done any of those

550
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,640
things?
Colostrum, a number of things

551
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,640
can help, but you compared it to
nothing.

552
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,160
So we have a few studies shown
that Plan Forever can be used in

553
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,040
diarrhoea cases.
So I just leave that door open

554
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,360
going, yeah, if you want to
believe that, I'm sure it's

555
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,640
better than nothing.
Uh, but you try animal fiber

556
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,920
instead, you know, and they're
like, what's animal fiber right

557
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,160
now we're talking.
So fiber is the prebiotic, fiber

558
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,840
is the stuff that the bacteria
eat, you know, and fiber really,

559
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,480
at the end of the day, isn't
this mystical long filament that

560
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,080
only exists in plants.
Fiber is just indigestible

561
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,800
material.
It has a number of different

562
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,840
functions in the stool.
And plant fiber does operate

563
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,800
differently to meet fiber, which
is your collagen last, and

564
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,320
carrot.
And people know these words.

565
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,160
It's all your skin, your hair,
your nails, the hard to digest

566
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,840
bits of steak.
If you eat a steak, you only

567
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,640
digest 8090% of it.
The rest of that is fiber to

568
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,320
your Gulf floor.
It's undigested food that gets

569
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,880
your goal.
And there's bacteria going

570
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,400
yummy.
I'm having a bit of that.

571
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,400
That's how it works in cats.
Cats can actually ferment hair,

572
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,960
they can make fatty acids from
hair.

573
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,280
So when you say oh, you, you
must use plant fibre for fatty

574
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:29,920
acids and carnivores, that's not
true.

575
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,320
They ferment those fatty acids.
They're slightly different fatty

576
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,480
acids because we have focus on
short chain fatty acids, which

577
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,920
you hear a lot of and we love
them and they're great in

578
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,160
humans.
But carnivores, their system is

579
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,320
more geared towards branched
chain fatty acids, Bcfas, and

580
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,600
they get them from fermenting
animal fibre.

581
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,880
And so we've got big studies of
domestic cats, loads of studies

582
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,120
of cats in the zoo.
We've known for years that if

583
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,000
you just leave the hide on the
outside of the, ER, horse's leg

584
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,160
with horses over here a lot that
they feed the zoo animals,

585
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,800
they're the cleanest, uh, that
if you just leave the hide on

586
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,560
the outside of the meat, that
the cats suffer less uremic

587
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,360
toxins, which is one of the top
killers of cats, bad teeth and

588
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,400
kidney disease.
And so if you just leave the

589
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,760
gristle and the hair and the
more animal more complete.

590
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,720
So now they feed cheetahs with
the skin on feed cheetahs,

591
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,240
they're prey with their skin on.
Eh, this is important good

592
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,360
health things that we've known
about in zoos for 30-40 years.

593
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,840
And yes, that that outdoor
component of that meat fiber

594
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,480
component is completely stripped
away.

595
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,280
Even with pre made raw dog food.
Nobody wants to see a feather

596
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,480
hanging out of us.
Nobody wants to see a a a a

597
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,800
claw.
You know, my wife would see that

598
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,920
and go, oh, this stuff's crap.
But actually it could be that we

599
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,880
are actually taking away a
really important part of the

600
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,640
diet.
We talk about, you know, 3%

601
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,120
plant fiber going into some
products.

602
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,800
It's like, well, 3% fiber would
be good, but from where?

603
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,880
And so that was the push of my
talk.

604
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,520
I said there were some issues
with plant fiber.

605
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,520
It may not be a requirement,
cats and dogs at all.

606
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,160
It might be that the requirement
is actually the indigestible

607
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,520
parts of the animal that we're
still not really including in

608
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,280
pre made wild dog food.
That was my point in my talk was

609
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,000
by that time people are going
kind of really saying stop

610
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,440
eating blueberries.
I'm like, I didn't say that, you

611
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,760
know, just, I'm just trying to
stoke some debate here about

612
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,720
what are we feeding?
You know, we're not feeding

613
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,120
humans here.
And what we thought plant fire.

614
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,800
We didn't, humans didn't even do
that.

615
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,560
So why would it do that in dogs?
You know?

616
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,280
So it it, it got the, IT got the
debate going, which I love, but

617
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,480
it's not for everybody.
Yeah.

618
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,800
Well, that is where like the the
next thing I think of, it's

619
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,160
like, OK, well, now we have all
of these people talking about

620
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,440
the incredible benefits of this
vegetable or that fruit or, you

621
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,720
know, Thistle fluorophane in the
in the broccoli.

622
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,640
And so my mind goes there, but
then my mind also goes to the

623
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,760
the amount of vegetable matter
that a lot of companies are

624
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:55,760
putting in their food to balance
it after standards, right.

625
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:00,680
And you know, I mean pets
obviously different than dogs.

626
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,360
I, I have a kitten that has been
nothing but raw fed since I

627
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,920
found him at like 6 weeks old.
And I didn't have anything

628
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,960
thought.
And I was like, I'll just give

629
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,040
him some of the dogs food
tonight because my dog is she's,

630
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,400
she's at a stage in life where
she's wanting gently cooked

631
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,520
foods.
It has a lot of vegetable matter

632
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,920
in it.
And he, Oh my gosh, the litter

633
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,960
box for the next three days.
I was like, this is never

634
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,080
happening again.
Yeah, yeah, no, no, I, I, I'm

635
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,360
not surprised.
You know, I think with the plant

636
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,240
matter that goes into raw dog
foods or into cooked dog foods,

637
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,080
umm, from someone who formulates
diets, I can tell you that

638
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,560
there's nothing nutritionally
that I need from plant matter.

639
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,240
Umm, there is.
Blueberries look good in the

640
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,000
label, but there's no nutrient
in there that blueberries would

641
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,720
be higher in than any other
piece of meat.

642
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,040
But they're super foods, Connor.
They're super foods and so they

643
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,560
look super on a label, but like,
listen, are they super foods for

644
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,960
a dog?
And the whole point of

645
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,200
blueberries is polyphenols.
Polyphenols are actually toxic

646
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,640
to, to a lot of animals, but
we've learned to use them over

647
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,000
time and they, they, they're
actually now beneficial to us.

648
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,560
But that's not the case for all
animals, not the case for cats,

649
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,320
and it's might not be the case
for dogs.

650
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,000
Adding blueberries to a dry fed
dog might be beneficial, but do

651
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,480
adding blueberries to a raw fed
dog benefit in the same way they

652
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,600
have a different antioxidant
system based on.

653
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,360
So it's like what we even, I've
all talked coming out on

654
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,120
carnival antioxidants coming out
in September.

655
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,200
That's not going to it's going
to make me even less friends.

656
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,680
But umm, it's like, well, you
know, it's there's anyway.

657
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,560
Umm, yeah.
The, the only plant ingredients

658
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,720
that we put into let's say raw
dog food products were cooked to

659
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,800
be the same sort of principles.
The only ones we lean on because

660
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,280
we have to get these readings up
above to these AFCO standards,

661
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,440
which is dry pet food nonsense
world.

662
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,720
But we have to adhere to them
to, to so you can say complete

663
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,880
on the label because if we say
complimentary, people go Oh my

664
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,000
God, my dog would die.
So to to adhere to those

665
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,560
ridiculous standards, we have to
include some ingredients like

666
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,720
things like seaweed because it
comes with a little iodine.

667
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,760
People put in things like
Brewers yeast to get the B

668
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,240
vitamins up.
One that really eludes us as

669
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,440
vitamin E.
They want way too much vitamin E

670
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,000
and dry pet food because they
use crap mixed toco ferols,

671
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,679
which the dog doesn't use, as
well as natural vitamin E.

672
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:13,239
You only need a very small
amount of that from grass fed

673
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,320
animals.
That'll be the right amount, but

674
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,679
instead we have to get the
levels up here.

675
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,760
So we put in things like pumpkin
seeds and hemp seed powder and

676
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,560
stuff.
So those plant ingredients go in

677
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,080
for a reason because we're
targeting something.

678
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,840
We're trying to get a manganese
reading up.

679
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:29,840
Both the carrots and the squash
and the rice and the carbi

680
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,280
additions that go into a lot of
the cooked products aren't there

681
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:34,120
because there's a nutrient in
there that your dog needs.

682
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,440
There's nothing in there.
Carbohydrates are not required

683
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,840
by the dog, so that's why
they're not on the pet food

684
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,719
label.
There's no requirements set by

685
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,920
AFCO because they don't need
plant carbohydrates or fiber.

686
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,120
It's not an requirement in their
diet because nothing has ever

687
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,560
shown that they need a
carbohydrate.

688
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,679
Cats and dogs live on meat and
fat.

689
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,360
It's called ketosis.
So that's the way they're happy

690
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,679
to live.
So that's why you don't need to

691
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,880
feed carbohydrates to a dog.
So when they say, well, it might

692
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,200
be a source of energy, it's
like, yeah, Mars bars and

693
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,520
Coca-Cola are a source of energy
and which of them should I have?

694
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,360
So it's it's umm, the the whole
reason that those bigger, uh,

695
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,840
carbi ingredients go in is
purely cost.

696
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,720
It's a cheap, it's a cheap
filler and uh, makes a nice

697
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,840
sticky kind of paste as well as
opposed.

698
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,600
You don't want that.
You want that kind of Pate looks

699
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,400
some people like.
So those bigger ingredients,

700
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,800
that's all that is the smaller
ingredients we target for

701
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,640
reasons that I said, but the
bigger ingredients isn't because

702
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,120
there's a single you might tell,
oh, I feed spinach for iron.

703
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,000
Yeah.
You think you think there's more

704
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,680
iron spinach than there is in
red meat.

705
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,000
Heme iron blows plant iron out
of the water and it doesn't come

706
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,840
with all the oxalates and anti
nutrients and Fodmaps we just

707
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,640
talked about.
So that wouldn't be why you're

708
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,720
using spinach at all.
You know, it looks good and it's

709
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,240
green, although spinach comes
with a bit of B vitamins, I

710
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,200
suppose.
So, you know, if you had to get

711
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,760
that reading up, it might be a
way to do it.

712
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,760
But compared to Brewers, not
nowhere near.

713
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,600
So generally those ingredients
are because we eat those things.

714
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,160
And so when we buy the food, we
want to see it on the pack as

715
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:54,880
well.
That looks nice.

716
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,920
Potatoes, you know, we'll be
Irish people like potatoes.

717
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,520
And so we put some potatoes in
the products over here and it'll

718
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:04,000
be rice in China and it'll be
whatever in the US, you know, So

719
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,160
it's you, it's the local thing
that people want to see

720
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:07,680
generally make it into the food
product.

721
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,560
Those tail end ingredients
aren't there for the dogs.

722
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,360
They're there for you, you know,
to pick them up.

723
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,760
Yeah.
So I, I know I want to be

724
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:19,240
respectful of your time.
What I'm hearing is that a lot

725
00:36:19,240 --> 00:36:22,600
of the information that we're
getting about how beneficial

726
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:28,240
some of these plants can be are
more geared towards probably

727
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:31,920
kibble fed dogs.
Yeah, yeah, like, I mean, I, I

728
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,560
can see why do you need some
fiber in the diet?

729
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,200
So a little bit of plant fiber
is probably better than no plant

730
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,080
fiber.
Bloody fly.

731
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,800
Umm.
So I'm instantly thinking

732
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,960
there's so much fiber in a
family.

733
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,840
Uh, so a little bit of fiber is,
is better than no fiber at all.

734
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,240
And it, there's a big question
mark over that's called pika in

735
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,080
dogs when they eat strange
things where your dogs are

736
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,880
licking carpet or xylophagia
when they're eating grass and

737
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,080
sticks and copper aphasia.
And so they could be eating that

738
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,400
for a source of fiber to help
with their digestive system.

739
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,960
But I always say, yeah, but if
there was loads of hairy rabbit

740
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,960
ears and hides and all sort of
chews and gristles, raw meaty

741
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,680
bones, you know, all that sort
of hard to digest matter what

742
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,400
they need, all that stuff that
they've been needing.

743
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,640
No, probably not.
They're probably using that

744
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,040
because that's all they can get
access to.

745
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,200
But you let him off in
Yellowstone National Park.

746
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,160
I doubt he'd be going after the
the blueberry bushes.

747
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:20,760
You know, he'd be looking for
dead animals.

748
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,080
So the what we know of what dogs
need.

749
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,440
And there were, there was a few
tiny few studies.

750
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,760
We're adding in some colourful
plant matter into dogs, help

751
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,960
them, but they're dry fed dogs
on a high carbohydrate diet that

752
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,640
weren't getting antioxidants
from anywhere else.

753
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,200
And does that prove that they
need that plant matter?

754
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,760
It shows that dogs with that
disease in a cage eating high

755
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,280
carbohydrate diets benefited
from eating some colourful

756
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,200
squash and leafy greens.
That study exists and carrots

757
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,240
contain looselyn.
So yeah, OK.

758
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,160
But it doesn't say that it's
better than feeding those

759
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,920
compounds from a meat based
diet.

760
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,920
And so we don't have those
studies.

761
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,880
Or maybe there is some benefits
to some plant matter, because if

762
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,840
you think about a herbivore,
we'd eat those plants and

763
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,280
bioacumulate those, uh, the
compounds.

764
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,520
And so the carnival would then
eat that prey animal and benefit

765
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,320
from the compound.
So it happens that carnivores

766
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,280
are way more sensitive to those
sort of compounds like CBD.

767
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,680
Dogs and cats need tiny amounts
of CBD because they get it from

768
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,120
prey animals.
Prey animals generally take a

769
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,480
lot more because they eat the
plants contained in CBD, not

770
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,360
just temp.
So it might be that some of

771
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,720
these compounds are beneficial.
And when we stole rear cattle or

772
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,360
chicken and ducks and turkeys
that just get corn and never see

773
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,200
the outside of it, they're going
to have virtually zero of those

774
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,000
compounds because they're not
fed a rich diet.

775
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,320
And so, yes, your dog might come
around needing some of these

776
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,840
compounds that are largely found
in the plank Kingdom.

777
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,440
And so there's an argument
therefore.

778
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,400
Yeah, maybe, but to say that
dogs fed really well on good

779
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,600
quality outdoor meat and access
to whatever bits and pieces and

780
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,680
you know, that wouldn't be the
case.

781
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,400
I just that scientifically
doesn't hold at the moment at

782
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,360
all.
But there's just there's so much

783
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:56,880
room for debate and manoeuvre in
there.

784
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,320
I just find it fascinating, you
know.

785
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,240
But is it a reason to feed every
dog 2030% plant matter?

786
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,880
Because that's what you I mean,
no, not really.

787
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,880
There's no studies to support
that, but there is studies that

788
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,120
show that there's potential
downsides to it and nothing be

789
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,840
to a meat organ bone diet.
Be it yeah, you know, raw, if

790
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,360
you want to feed a cooked diet,
nothing beats that.

791
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,720
But I do think I'd be thinking
more about the extra outside

792
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,440
bits these days, whatever that
is, not just your rabbit ears

793
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,120
because they come from quite a
cruel industry in in France over

794
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:25,960
here.
It's not a great looking

795
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,200
industry, but anything out like,
you know, whole fish or a fish

796
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,040
head icing gristle and all that
kind of stuff, great food.

797
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,600
So there's a number of different
ways to, to, to do it, but we

798
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,080
are just lacking the evidence at
the moment, you know, So it's

799
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,160
what we thought was the case.
Not so fully sure anymore.

800
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,640
That's all.
That was my point.

801
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:51,520
So one last question, if someone
were to add in some sort of

802
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,920
vegetable matter, would
fermented yeah actually be more

803
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,360
beneficial?
Actually, yeah.

804
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,040
And answers pet food are
actually in the audience as

805
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,120
those kind of slating plants are
saying.

806
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,000
Listen guys, I'm not having a go
at the manufacturer because this

807
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,040
is the way I would have
formulated diets the same as you

808
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,280
up until now.
And so it turns out that

809
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,760
fermenting is a fabulous way of
reducing anti nutrients in

810
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,120
plants.
I never liked that word anti

811
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,480
nutrients, but it does actually
apply.

812
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,160
FOB maps, phytates, oxalates,
these are things that get in the

813
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,600
way of you absorbing nutrients.
The plants aren't stupid, they

814
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,200
have defences.
And we are evolving to get

815
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,200
around them, but we can only get
around a couple of them at the

816
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,880
moment.
We're not as good as a horse or

817
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,280
a cow or, you know, so, umm,
there is a number of anti

818
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,320
nutrients in there that you
don't want to eat too much of.

819
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,680
They can turn your tummy, make
you sick, particularly some

820
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,600
people more than others.
Uh, and so it turns out that

821
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,960
fermenting is better than
cooking on almost all them.

822
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,600
So it decreases plant fibre, it
decreases oxalates and purines,

823
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,400
it decreases Fodmaped really
well.

824
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,440
And so fermented food is a great
way to do it.

825
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,520
The only bit of that is that
it's not a totally natural food

826
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:54,680
for dogs.
I haven't a clue.

827
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,760
If Billy Hochman was here, he'd
be able to set me straight.

828
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,960
He always does because I always
say I don't know where I am or

829
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,960
fermented food.
The guys I work with, Nick and

830
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,760
Brown, absolutely love fermented
food.

831
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,080
I just don't see dogs going or
anything too much fermented

832
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,520
food.
There's also a huge amount of

833
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,200
microbials that come with that.
Is that totally natural for the

834
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,360
dog's digestive system?
Are you kind of giving them a

835
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,080
probiotic?
That isn't a totally normal way

836
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,400
of him getting it.
I think people try to say that

837
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,640
the fermented food is the same
as the fermented food and the

838
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,200
the hind goat of the rabbit.
I'm like, he's not eating a

839
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,840
whole lot of that.
You know, you goats are left on

840
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,440
the ground by dogs where they
can.

841
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,280
If the animal's any smaller than
a rabbit, he might eat the whole

842
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,840
thing because he's a whole prey
eater.

843
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,160
Only cats are a bit more
selective.

844
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,000
Dogs are pigs.
They'll just eat the most.

845
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,120
Eat the rat, they'll eat the
bird.

846
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,200
But if it gets bigger than that
up to rabbit size, maybe they'll

847
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,240
eat a bit, but they don't need
to force them up full of grass.

848
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,120
That's just a nonsense that
people said wolves eat the

849
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,680
stomachondents of grass
nonsense.

850
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,440
Show me the video.
You know, it doesn't I think

851
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,640
there's one or two videos going
around of the wolf doing that

852
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,960
now, but there's there's
thousands and thousands of

853
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,320
studies to say they don't touch
the still some of the contents.

854
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,440
It might happen here and there
for some reason, but wallowing

855
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,600
in the stomach on the grass,
half digested grass, Why would a

856
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,040
wolf be eating that?
So I think it's it's a good

857
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,880
debate.
I'm not sure if the stuff we

858
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,440
pickled in a jar as the same as
what's been fermented in adult

859
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,040
in the in the in the rabbits
goat.

860
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,840
But you know, if it works for
you and you need to put the veg

861
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,200
in for some reason and then
that's probably the better way

862
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,960
to do it.
Yeah, my brother's cat, he will

863
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,120
eat like yesterday he ate a
whole lizard.

864
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,200
But when he brings bunnies, when
he eats the bunnies, he always

865
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,640
leaves the the guts.
I'm not surprised.

866
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,080
Clean up.
Yeah, gross.

867
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,360
I'm not surprised.
I mean, that'll be the last

868
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:33,640
thing I'd eat out of.
I don't need.

869
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,120
I don't eat the guts of a fish,
you know, it's just that.

870
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,200
OK, well, we're different, you
know, dogs are different.

871
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,800
But I can't see my dog eating
the gut of a large fish.

872
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,360
And so there are two.
That's not the stuff they're

873
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,480
after.
They're after the meat, the

874
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,680
organ, the crystal, the bone.
That's the that's the cool

875
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,160
stuff.
I'm sorry I have to dash.

876
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,920
Just someone to do 4:00 is
always loving this.

877
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,000
And I don't get enough time to
talk about this.

878
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,040
I actually stopped talking about
it a bit because people are

879
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,040
getting their knickers in A
twist.

880
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,640
No plans.
Forget it.

881
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,720
Yeah, why not?
Listen, even if you don't agree,

882
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,800
who cares?
You know, that's like, it's it's

883
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,880
a it's a it's an interesting
debate, but haven't seen any

884
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,720
contrary points yet.
Haven't seen any contrary

885
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:11,120
studies that have been bandied
around.

886
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:11,840
Nothing.
None of that.

887
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,400
It's just, if anything, I see
people talking about digestive

888
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,440
enzymes to help you breakdown
plant fiber and it's like, yeah,

889
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,880
well, you know what he's feeding
the plant fiber to the dog for

890
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,840
in the 1st place and you're
giving a product to help him

891
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,680
digest us.
Do you ever think that that not

892
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,800
might be the food for his good
guard, you know?

893
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,120
So yeah, you know, people keep
on asking questions.

894
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,800
It's a bit of fun.
Wags my tail anyway.

895
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,440
Well, I love it.
Thank you so much for being here

896
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,600
and for sharing that with us and
have a have a good rest of.

897
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,760
Yeah, start of the week.
All right, Jess.

898
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:41,560
Thanks.
Pleasure.

899
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,200
Talk to you later.
OK, soon.

900
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:50,960
Bye before you go.
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901
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902
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your pet, don't forget to check
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907
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Yeah.