Spring Allergies | Weekly Pet Roundup

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Hello everybody on Facebook and
YouTube.

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Welcome to the weekly pet
roundup.

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We've taken a little hiatus
because I've been traveling

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non-stop but we're back and
hopefully the Tuesday schedule

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works well because it did help
me on Monday to just work and

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not have any interruptions.
So I'm hoping that Tuesday works

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for our friends who join us
because it definitely works

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better for me.
I had so much work to do at the

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beginning of the month, so I
have all my social media

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management to do for my clients.
And because I've been traveling

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so much, I haven't worked ahead
like I like to do.

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So I'm still getting stuff done,
but it'll get done because I

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always get it done.
That's, that's what I've been

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telling myself too.
I'm like, there's this one thing

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that I need to get done by
Thursday and I haven't.

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And I'm like, I, I don't like
not, it's weird because like I

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can't, I, I need that like
crunch time to get things done,

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but at the same time, like I
don't love that I wait until the

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last.
Minute to do.

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Well, yeah, I just got a last
minute assignment for a magazine

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which I had stopped writing for
the magazines, but this one,

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this one was kind of like a
fever.

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So I I said yes when I should
have probably said no.

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So after I hang up here, I'm
going to reach out to some

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contacts so that I can write
this article for this magazine.

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We shall see if it gets done in
time.

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The due date is Monday, so we'll
see.

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Oh boy.
Well, yeah.

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And then I'm sure I also agreed
to sub a yoga class on Monday

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morning.
So all of it, it's just like at

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the same time, which is, you
know, I say yes too much.

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And I my New Year's resolution
for myself personally was

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supposed to be to say no more.
And as you can see, it is not

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working all that well.
I have been saying no more but

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just not enough.
Yeah, I've been saying no more

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too, but.
Not enough.

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I I still like, yeah, it still
feels like not enough sometimes.

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I get it because it's just, I
mean, people will just pounce

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especially like if they're used
to you saying yes and then they

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have this like issue, like like
they're offended if you say no.

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You know what I mean?
It's like, how dare you?

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Yeah, that's more personal.
That's more in my personal life

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than in my professional life,
thankfully.

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But yes, I hear that.
It's like more, it's not like

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upset, it's just like a surprise
that I'm not going to be as

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available to other people as I
have been.

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And I'm only doing it because I
obviously need to prioritize my

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family, my little immediate
family, my kids, my husband, my

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pets, myself.
Those are the priority.

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And so if I I say yes to
everybody else, I inevitably

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have to say no to them, which is
not ideal.

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So while Speaking of our pets
and prioritizing them, it is end

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of dust storms, it is
springtime, which means seasonal

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allergies.
And that is what we're talking

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about today.
We're talking about seasonal

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allergies.
If you have a pet that has

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seasonal allergies,
environmental allergies even, we

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can talk about, you know, food
allergies if you want to, but

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that's probably for another time
just because it's springtime.

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And we're trying to make this
really relevant to those that

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are kind of starting to notice
that their dogs are like hacking

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a little bit or sneezing a
little bit or itching a little

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bit.
And like those, if they just

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popped up now, probably indicate
some kind of a seasonal

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allergies.
So, Jess, do you want to get us

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started?
Well, I have to say that here in

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Virginia, everything is covered
in yellow at the moment.

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I didn't quite notice it until
this morning.

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I woke up.
I've been having like windows

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open because it it's nice
outside and I woke up this

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morning and I looked over and
I'm like that is covered in.

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Yeah.
And then going outside, it's

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like, there's just because it
also rained overnight last

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night.
There's just like, you know,

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lines of yellow everywhere from
where, you know, the rain dried.

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So I know that people and pets
alike are definitely in the

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thick of it at this point.
And I mean, we, we can talk

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about a lot of different things,
but one of the biggest things, I

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know one thing well, you brought
up before we went live, I'll let

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you bring that one up for me.
And it is incredibly important,

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incredibly important.
But for me, one thing that is

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often overlooked when we think
about our especially seasonal

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allergies is liver support and
the health of our liver.

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Because our liver is what
processes the histamines and our

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body.
And so if it is not functioning

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properly and if we are not
taking care of it, if we are not

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doing even and we can talk more
about detoxing a little bit

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later on because it is kind of
kind of complex, we can

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definitely get bogged down with
an abundance of histamines in

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our system and our liver not
being able to process them out.

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So that's kind of one of the
things that I really wanted to

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focus on today.
But I know you had brought one

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thing up too that is also just
as important.

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So I'll let you bring that one
up.

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Yeah.
So for me it's, you know, gut

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health, gut health and the
immune system and how over

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stimulated our immune systems
are just because of

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environmental toxins and
vaccines.

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And like no anti vax
conversation here.

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Just it is a fact that, you
know, when we get a vaccine,

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when we give our pets of the
vaccine, it really ramps up our

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immune system.
That's what it's supposed to do.

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But then your immune system is
focused on that.

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Then also at some point it might
be weakened a little bit and

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then now we have seasonal
allergies coming at us and our

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immune system can't handle all
of it.

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So the gut is where the immune
system kind of starts and lives.

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And so when our immune system is
taxed, our gut is taxed.

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It's just not.
It's a recipe for really severe

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symptoms.
Whereas, you know, if your gut

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flora were healthier, if it was
more balanced, it would probably

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not be as severe.
So as a mom to a kid who has

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allergies, one of the things
that I do the most is support

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his gut.
I feel like it's harder for

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pets, I mean for kids than it is
for pets because for kids, like

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all of these tests that we have
are not available to kids

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because like, I don't know if
you've seen these allergy tests.

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I can't remember what it's, I
think it's Evermore or something

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like that.
There's like a few brands that

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you send in, like you prick
your, your finger, you send in a

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blood sample, but it's only
available for people 18 and over

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because what the FDA has done is
basically say like a kid can't

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consent to this.
So unless it's done in a medical

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office, like we can't really
allow that to happen for

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whatever reason, right or wrong,
it's just not possible.

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But for our pets, thankfully, we
do have more access to gut

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testing, and those are actually
quite reliable and they do give

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us a lot of information.
And so for me, I think I

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sometimes wish I could just get
like a fecal sample from my kid

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and send it to like one of these
pet things.

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But they'll know the difference.
They will know.

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I mean, if they're good enough
at what they do, they'll know

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the difference.
This is not like this is not a

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cat sample or this is not a dog
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They will know and they will be
like what is happening here.

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So I'm not trying to call myself
out like that, but I feel like I

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wish that we had tools like
that, the human space for kids

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that we have for pets.
And that's what's really, I

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think, encouraging during this
conversation is that there are

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tools we can use to help our
pets with allergies that don't

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just rely on like, suppressing
the symptoms because that's

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basically with my kid.
All I can do is either suppress

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symptoms with like,
antihistamines and things like

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that or elimination diets, which
are really quite difficult at

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this age.
He's 7 because, you know, he

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eats at school, he has parties,
he has best, he has that.

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And like, an elimination diet is
so limiting and we're so social

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that it's like, hard.
What's that?

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Did you hear something?
Yeah, it's a muffler, I think

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outside.
It sounded like an airplane

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taking off.
I was like, am I and NASA?

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What happened?
Oh, it just went by again.

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OK, Oh my gosh, it sounds it
sounded like an airplane, but

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yeah.
So let's start with liver

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support, then we'll go into gut
support and then.

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We'll answer.
The questions if anybody has any

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and just so you know Jess, I
cannot see any questions on if

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there are any or feedback if
there is any, I don't know why

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my.
I don't see my so far but.

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I can't see anything, so if you
if you see anything, just let me

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know and then we don't have any
questions or comments yet on on

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Facebook and YouTube.
So let's get started with liver

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support.
Yeah, and I'm sure.

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I mean, this is the first time
in our new day, so I'm sure

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people need to get used to us
being on Tuesdays instead of

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Mondays.
But yeah, so like I said

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earlier, the liver is
responsible for processing

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pretty much everything that goes
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histamines.
And histamines are not only

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produced in response to
environmental allergens.

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These are things that like our
body produces them.

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They are in foods that we eat.
It's not just like, oh, we only

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have histamines in the body when
there's pollen in the air,

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right?
Like, so this is something that

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our liver is doing constantly
all the time, especially with,

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with different foods that we're
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The more processed food is the
more histamines that are in that

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food.
So, and, and that doesn't

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necessarily mean, you know,
everything highly processed as

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bad because I'm talking about
any processing whatsoever,

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including fermentation, which is
incredible for our gut health

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and our immune system.
But it does still increase the

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histamines in that food when we
ferment it because that's a

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process, a long process that
happens in that food.

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So we are always, our bodies are
always dealing with managing,

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ingesting and producing
histamines on a daily basis

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regardless of the season.
So it's not like again, Oh my

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gosh, the pollen is out because
it's spring.

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And now all of a sudden here are
all the histamines.

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Here are more histamines than
what what we're already used to.

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And our our liver has to
compensate for that.

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So if our liver is already not
doing great, if it's already

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overloaded, if we're already not
supporting it in the ways that

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we could possibly be supporting
it, then it really is going to

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take that much more of a toll on
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Regardless of how sensitive you
are to whatever environmental

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allergens that may be around
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Because there are people that
will move right across the

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country to another another
country and realize that, oh, I

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don't have the same horrible
symptoms.

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Because, you know, the, the, the
plants are different, the, the

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pollens are different, but
everything in the environment is

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different.
And that's wonderful If you can

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do that.
Not everybody can do that.

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But taking care of our liver,
and I think this also goes back

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to taking care of, you know, our
immune system, which most mostly

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resides in our gut.
But taking care of our liver is

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something that we should not
just be doing in the spring or

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just in the fall.
We should be doing this every

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single day kind of a low level
like just a low level detox by

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being intentional with the foods
that we eat.

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And then we can also use herbs
to do heavier detoxes.

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There are of course, you know,
humic and fulvic acids,

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clinoptolite.
There are lots of different

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things out there that we can use
for heavier detoxes, binding and

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detoxing.
Because if our liver is

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overloaded, a lot of times we
will need to use binders to kind

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of bind up toxins in the body so
that they are not having to be

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processed by the liver.
If if, if our bodies are really,

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really maxed out.
I definitely have dogs like this

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where I need to use binders with
them because even the slightest

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detox is just too much.
They can't handle it because

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their body is already so
overloaded.

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So that's something to consider,
something to think about if

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you're like, oh, well, I started
adding milk Thistle and my dog

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was like sick as a dog, right?
Well, maybe that's because their

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body is so overloaded.
We need to bind up some of these

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things.
When we use binders, they're

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actually going to bind up
whatever is in the body that it

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can bind to.
We often times we need to to use

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most of them away from foods so
that we're not binding up the

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nutrients in the foods because
they literally will bind up to

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any and everything that it can
find in the body.

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And instead of having it pass
through the liver, we'll just

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either urinate it out or
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That's kind of the job of these
binders, but that's for more

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severe cases.
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because I feel like so many of
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severe case area because this is
not something we have done

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before.
This is, you know, we're coming

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from a very allopathic mindset
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We are a pill for every I'll
we're eating ultra processed

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foods all the time.
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a more holistic, integrative,
functional approach to health,

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whether that's for us, our
children or our pets, we often

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times need a little bit of
support to kind of help us

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through what we're doing.
But when we think about what we

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can do on like an everyday
basis, this is where plants

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really play a huge role in our
diet.

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For all of the phytonutrient,
the, the, what's the word I'm

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looking for?
I don't know all of it, all of

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the polyphenols that are in the
the rainbow of vegetation,

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plants, plants, all of the
vegetables, all of the fruits

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that we're eating, they all the
different colors of foods have

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different polyphenols in them
and they are going to help

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support us any like antioxidant
wise as well as kind of pulsing

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and cleansing through the GI
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So when I think of liver support
specifically, I am more thinking

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of like leafy green vegetables.
So like that kale, spinach,

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Chard, but also parsley and
cilantro and beets.

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And so like in that kind of
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purple, but they, these are the
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thinking that of that are going
to really support the liver.

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Also, something that most people
are unaware of, but we're

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starting to learn about is this
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ergothianine, which is found in
pretty much every mushroom, but

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in some mushrooms more than
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So if I remember correctly,
oyster mushrooms actually have

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the most herbotheanine.
And while it is an incredible

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supplement for pretty much every
organ system in our body, it

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also supports the liver really,
really well.

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So much so that when we think of
traditional Chinese medicine, we

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think of the liver as being the
the window to the eyes.

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So dogs that have a lot of like
gunk and tear stains, when we

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add something like oyster
mushrooms, whether that's in a

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mushroom probiotic or we just
feed these mushrooms or use

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supplementation for mushroom
extracts, we see a lot of that

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clear up in the eyes because it
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heavily and also pretty gently.
So those are some of the things

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that I think about when I think
of liver support and again that

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histamine removing histamines
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And I will add that some people
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better than others.
That's actually genetic in some

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cases.
That's why you see a lot of

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people with like genetic
allergies, right?

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Like all the men in my family
for some reason have been the

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allergy kid all even my son.
My daughter has very minimal

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allergies if any.
My son, allergic to cats,

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probably dogs, dust, grasses,
trees, you name it.

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And all of the men in my family,
we joke on my mom's side are

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like bubble boy.
So like a lot of it's genetic.

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A lot of it is that we have an
intolerance to histamine that

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other people might not have
because we're not producing

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certain enzymes and things like
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So like they're your pet may
already be predisposed do some

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kind of an intolerance to
histamine.

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And I do see that we do see that
genetically in like a lot of

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breeds that somehow all of a
sudden all these pit bulls are

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allergic to grass and you're
like interesting or all these

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and it's a lot of it is poor
breeding, obviously.

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due to poor breeding.
They're, you know, breeding like

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with like siblings are being
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So what happens is that whatever
ailment they have, it duplicates

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in their offspring.
So those kinds of things are

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something to consider.
So I mean, if you you don't know

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when you get a pet, if they're
going to have high histamine,

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you do know that you can control
their food, like Jessica said.

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So that's kind of one of those
things where you accept what you

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get and then you work with what
you can.

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And just so that you are aware,
whomever is joining us is, you

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know, some of the the good thing
for pets, which is harder for us

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humans, is that a lot of the
foods that they're supposed to

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eat are low histamine foods like
fresh meats, high quality meats,

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eggs.
For us, there are a lot of

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things we enjoy that are high
histamine foods like alcohol,

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like cheese, like you said,
processed foods.

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So like if you enjoy your, you
know, Turkey sandwiches or your,

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you know, your processed Turkey
sandwich, not like a roast

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Turkey, but if you enjoy, you
know, a chorizo or pepperoni on

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your pizza, pizza, wheat
products, the bread, those are

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all tend to be high histamines.
So the the good thing, the good

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news is that, for example, our
cats really should be just

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eating foods that are species
appropriate, which is like very

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meat heavy that shouldn't be
contributing to their allergies

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unless you are feeding like a
really crappy food, which again,

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you can control.
I know it's expensive.

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Sometimes it's hard, but the
reality is when you consider the

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importance of a diet versus what
you're going to spend at the

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vet, I always say spend the
money up front for the diet and

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save yourself the money at the
vet.

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Pet going back because your pet
is like scratching themselves

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silly.
They have hot spots, they have

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diarrhea that they can't
resolve.

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You know, they're they're just
miserable.

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They have, like you said, the
gunk in their eyes.

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There's so many symptoms that
you know you're not going to

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just ignore because they get to
the point where they're so

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severe you have to go to the vet
when you could have potentially

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at least controlled those
symptoms with a proper diet.

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So as humans, it's harder
because like I always say,

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they're not opening the fridge
and making themselves peanut

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butter and bacon sandwiches.
We are opening the fridge and

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feeding ourselves like
prepackaged foods and things.

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So we have to be more careful
and we can make really good

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choices on their behalf.
And, and to that point, you

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know, our dogs and our cats
don't have any control over what

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they're eating.
We have full control over what

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they're eating and every single
kibble on the market, I don't

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care what the quality of
ingredients that they start out

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with is high heat processed and
extruded.

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And those two processes, I mean,
you could you could have started

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out with the most beautiful duck
or rabbit or whitefish or

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whatever.
This really, you know, a

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beautiful cooling food is high
heat process.

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It's extruded, it has high
histamines, period, end of

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story.
Like there's nothing that we can

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do about that other than not
feed it.

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Exactly, exactly right.
And what's the alternative is

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allergy meds that cause all
sorts of other problems and

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affect the liver health, right.
So we're already the liver's

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taxed, We're seeing symptoms
from the fact that the liver and

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the gut flora are just not
optimal.

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And now we're giving them
medicine that's processed

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through the liver that has tons
of side effects.

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And I'm thinking like Apoquel
and all these things, right?

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Like that.
They give you usually you go

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into the vet.
I had a dog radar.

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We talk about a lot.
He's he was little, he was a

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Pomeranian mix and he was a
retired military working dog.

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And he just would lick his paws
all the time.

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Not to the point where they
bled, not to the point where

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they were in any way
uncomfortable for him, I don't

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think.
But it was definitely there.

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And so a dog that is at ease
isn't going to lick his paws

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like that.
It wasn't like a grooming.

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It was more than that.
And whenever he got groomed, he

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would lick and lick and lick and
lick and lick to the point where

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it did become a hotspot, even if
his fur wasn't that short.

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It was like the, the, the two
things couldn't, he couldn't

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tolerate the two things he
couldn't tolerate his high

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histamine and a haircut.
It was like it would just make

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the symptoms so much worse.
And every time we went to the

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vet and talked about it, it was
here's the Apoquel.

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And it was never, I mean, this
was he's, he's been gone for a

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couple years.
And I know that I could, I am

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armed with more information and
there are more products on the

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market that I could request or
do more research.

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But this was maybe let's say,
5-10 years ago when I could have

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asked for allergy testing.
And in Louisiana and El Paso,

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they would have been like, we
don't do that, right?

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Like we don't do that.
Big cities did it back then.

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But like where I lived, it
wasn't happening or in the DC

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area, it would have been a
specialist, tons of money.

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And you know, you get scared.
You say I'm not, you know, I

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mean, he's, he's fine.
I mean, it's just licking a

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little bit.
But I can't afford $1000 visit

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to a specialty, you know, a
specialist just for them to tell

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me that now I need to go on some
like homemade diet that I don't

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have time to make.
So it's like we all think of

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like the worst case scenario.
And I'm glad that the industry

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has moved forward in the sense
of like these at home kits and

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at home things that we can test
to kind of get like a baseline

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for our pets and improve from
there.

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And people like you, Jessica,
and like our friend Cara, who

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can help pet parents who don't
have any clue on this through

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that process.
Because like I would, I would

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love to have somebody help me
with my kid in the same way,

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right?
Like where we could do like

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heavy metal testing from his
hair and all that stuff.

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But like I haven't found
anybody, not locally, not

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anywhere near me that's willing
to do that on a kid.

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And if they do, it's so
expensive, it's untouchable.

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So it's like one of those things
for a year, Damned if you do,

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damned if you don't.
Parsley cut.

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You can do humans through
parsley cut.

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Really.
Yeah.

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Or am I supposed to pretend that
it's not human?

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Am I supposed to say it's Kira
and send my kids hair?

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No, it's HTMA and I think they
I'm almost positive that they

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also do.
Maybe they would do yours

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because they know you, but I
don't know that they're just

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going to do sure.
Oh, look, what's really funny is

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I just looked up Parsley Pet and
the dog that they have there is

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a Pomeranian that looks just
like radar.

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What is hair tissue mineral
analysis?

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Here we go, it's right in the
middle.

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Nutritional blueprint test for
humans or now?

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But is it for kids?
That's the thing.

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That's where they get.
I don't.

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Think she's going to you?
Just go to a check out form.

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It's not asking you any of that.
It's 270.

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Well, they ask you a birthday
and I feel really uncomfortable

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lines.
So they usually what they do,

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and I don't know if about this
particular test, but for a lot

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of tests, they ask you for the
patient's birthday.

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And so I'd have to be like, OK,
yeah, this is, you know, And so

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one thing I do want to talk
about real quick is tests when

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it comes to testing in humans.
And I don't know the answer,

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that's why I'm asking this for
Jessica, is in humans, there's

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like this big debate on what's
better for allergy testing,

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whether it's the skin prick
tests or the blood tests.

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And depending on the medical
provider that you ask, they have

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different answers for you.
And so some people say that the

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blood test is the best, but then
some people say the blood test

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is too sensitive.
So like it's just going to flag

447
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,600
everything.
And then I did get, I'm actually

448
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,600
doing immunotherapy,
immunotherapy allergy shots.

449
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,520
I'm, I've been doing it for a
year now and I do feel like it's

450
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,760
helped a ton.
And I did the skin prick test,

451
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,600
you know, on your back where
they, and I'm, I've always been

452
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,840
super allergic.
I, you know, again, like

453
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:30,920
genetically I, I was from birth
and then living in Ecuador, I'm

454
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,600
sure that didn't help growing up
in Ecuador with like very being

455
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,720
like worm dewormed like
constantly and being given

456
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,560
antibiotics constantly.
That probably didn't help.

457
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,280
I mean, when you are born in a,
in a developing nation, you

458
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,400
know, medicine is kind of thrown
at you just in case because you

459
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,360
know, it's somewhat dangerous to
live there, to exist there.

460
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,920
But I, I feel like it has
helped.

461
00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,840
But like when I did the blood
test, it was one of those mail

462
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,160
in blood tests for myself versus
the skin prick test.

463
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,040
Like the, the answers were
different.

464
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,480
Granted it was over the course
of a few different years, right?

465
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,800
So like it was like I did the
blood work first.

466
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,000
I think that was maybe 2020 ish.
And then I did the skin prick

467
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,720
test last year, like early
spring this time last year.

468
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,280
So tell us how what's the best
way or what is the way that pet

469
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,440
parents can have their pets
tested if they were to go

470
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:40,640
through like a veterinarian?
So going through a veterinarian,

471
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,160
I think I have seen
veterinarians do that, that

472
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,400
patch of skin thing.
I, I have seen that.

473
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,000
I don't think it's.
It's not very common.

474
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:58,200
I don't think you're going to
find that very widely used,

475
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,360
probably for a number of
reasons.

476
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,720
One, it just takes so much time
for the veterinarian to do that.

477
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,360
And we have talked about this so
much, veterinarians do that they

478
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,920
don't have time to ask you all
the questions they need to be

479
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:17,480
asking you to, to even properly
diagnose things.

480
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,440
Generally speaking, your vet may
not fall in that category.

481
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,920
I'm, I'm, you know, I'm being
very general here.

482
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,680
So what you're mostly going to
find is the blood testing.

483
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:35,400
And I think it is probably a
little bit more sensitive to

484
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:43,320
where because it, it, it's, it's
about like calibrations in, in

485
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,400
these machines, right?
So it can be a little bit more

486
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:53,040
sensitive and that may and may
not be a bad thing if you have a

487
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:58,600
dog that has so much going like
their symptoms are crazy and

488
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,200
they really have a lot that they
are truly allergic to.

489
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,640
That may not be a bad thing to
be like overly cautious.

490
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:13,960
But I do think it's it's a
disservice to not have the time

491
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,920
to do the skin prick ones
because that's you can't, you're

492
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,600
not going to mess that up,
right?

493
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:26,480
You're, you're seeing first hand
how that animal is responding in

494
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,160
real time, You know, over
however, however long they

495
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,480
they'll wait to see if there's a
reaction.

496
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,200
You're seeing that on the animal
in real time like that.

497
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,680
I don't think you can get any
better results than that.

498
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,240
I think the blood testing is
more for efficiency, yeah.

499
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,680
And I so I'm not saying that
it's, it's bad, it's what we

500
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,160
have.
But yeah, I think it can be a

501
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,040
little, a little.
Oversensitive, Well, I mean, if

502
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:02,320
your pet is so miserable, I
mean, it's a good start.

503
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,240
I, I do that.
I do that and pair it with a gut

504
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,000
testing kit of some sort.
Where where, who?

505
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,320
I know there are a couple that
you recommend, which let's start

506
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:20,920
with those.
So innovative pet Labs is one of

507
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,400
my favorites and they are
constantly rolling out new

508
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,800
stuff.
So they recently they have

509
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,200
comprehensive gut check, which
is what I always start with.

510
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,520
And then depending on what's
going on, if we find there's

511
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,600
something that we need to work
on, then we can kind of target

512
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,240
what we're retesting.
So we're not spending as much

513
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,480
money on the retesting.
We don't necessarily have to do

514
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,520
that.
That can tell us a lot from

515
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:55,160
leaky gut to just all sorts of
different like inflammatory

516
00:31:55,160 --> 00:32:01,480
points in in the system as well
as some pancreatic enzyme.

517
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:07,120
So we can kind of gauge how well
the pancreas is working in in

518
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,560
food digestion as well.
So the comprehensive does a lot

519
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:20,480
and then depending on what we
find, animal Biome also has

520
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:27,200
testing that is going to let us
know in comparison to what we

521
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:33,520
currently believe a healthy gut
microbiome is, which there are

522
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,920
definitely skeptics and critics
of that, but it's what we have,

523
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,880
right?
Like this is what we have to

524
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,840
see, like where your animal
compares to what we believe a

525
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,880
healthy microbiome, gut
microbiome looks like as far as

526
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:57,560
the bacteria that are present.
Because sometimes we can, you

527
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:04,560
know, a lot of a lot of symptoms
can be like descriptors for so

528
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,120
many different things going on
in the body.

529
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,760
For instance, one of the things
that we recently in the past

530
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,520
handful of years found out
through the data analysis that

531
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,920
Animal Biome has conducted is
that the what they find in

532
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:33,400
almost every dog that has acid
reflux is increased levels of E

533
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,760
coli.
So we can target better instead

534
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,000
of saying, Oh well, we need
antacids, right?

535
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Which is what you're going to
get from.

536
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,400
And that's what Kira was given.
Yes, that's exactly what Kira

537
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,680
was given when she had.
Right.

538
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,880
We can address the imbalance and
then got microbiome to bring

539
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,680
those E coli levels down because
you know, and this hopefully

540
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:05,020
isn't news to anybody listening,
but we all live with quote, UN

541
00:34:05,020 --> 00:34:10,880
quote pathogenic bacteria in our
bodies, such as E coli.

542
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,320
We have that in our bodies and
on our skin.

543
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,520
Like it's not it's in our it's
in our gut, it's on our skin,

544
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,719
our dogs, our cats the same.
It's just a matter of keeping

545
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:28,760
those levels in check from non
pathogenic to the non pathogenic

546
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,239
bacteria.
So or what we call.

547
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,040
Good bacteria and bad bacteria
versus.

548
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,600
Bad, I really try hard would I
learn something like that to

549
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,719
like stop using that kind of
terminology good versus bad

550
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,920
because they're not bad in the
sense that we want to eradicate

551
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,800
them because this is a really
delicate ecosystem that we're

552
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,639
working with we.
Just need to balance them.

553
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,199
Yes.
And that's something that I

554
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:59,440
really, I, I really want people
to understand a little bit

555
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,000
better and and maybe hopefully I
can kind of work this into my

556
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,920
content once I get back to my
content a little bit better is

557
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,120
that this is a delicate
ecosystem that we are working

558
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:15,560
with.
And so it might be like we have

559
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,800
this mindset of like, again, a
pill for every ill and like,

560
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,400
this is going wrong with my pet
and I want to stop it.

561
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,600
And we do this with behavior a
lot too.

562
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,240
And it's like, no, it's not
about stopping the behavior.

563
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,800
It's about what we want our dog
to do instead.

564
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,480
What what we want that gut
microbiome to look like instead

565
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,800
versus trying to kill off all
the E coli.

566
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,520
That's not that's not a real
world like scenario.

567
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:45,920
That's not going to happen,
right?

568
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,600
We're not going to be healthy
and kill off all the E coli.

569
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,120
No.
And it's it's one of those

570
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,800
things where it's like getting
to the root of the problem has

571
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,200
stopped being important.
And like, I will never

572
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,680
understand that because if my
kid is acting out or my friend

573
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,280
or my husband is having a bad
day, I'm not just going to slip.

574
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,520
I'm a Prozac.
I'm going to ask them what's

575
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,440
going on.
Yeah, right.

576
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,680
Like that is, to me, like the
most basic thing.

577
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,280
And when it comes to the gut,
because I science, I'm giving.

578
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,120
You, I'm giving you permission
when you see me to see if you

579
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,800
have Prozac.
Give you a Prozac.

580
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,480
Noted.
Noted.

581
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,080
I will give you a Prozac.
I don't.

582
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,400
I'd have to steal them from my
husband and my child, but yeah,

583
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,640
we are.
We're a Prozac family over here.

584
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,160
Nothing wrong with slipping a
little something to manage your

585
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,480
anxiety.
But the reality is like, I feel

586
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,160
like like that makes perfect
sense to us, right?

587
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,960
Like that we would not just slip
somebody like a tranquilizer

588
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,160
when they're having a bad day.
But when we go to the doctor and

589
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,760
we're saying we're itching,
they're just slipping us a

590
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,440
tranquilizer for the itchiness.
And it's like we're not getting

591
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,120
to the why is it itching?
And it's so frustrating because

592
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,160
it's just become the most common
thing to do.

593
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,880
And like as consumers, most
consumers are just fine with it.

594
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,000
Like my family and I couldn't be
more different when it comes to

595
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:12,400
that.
Like I'm the type to ask

596
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,600
questions to figure out what the
cause is come.

597
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,760
I want to find out how we can
fix it from the root, not like

598
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,720
just make it go away for a
second and then it just comes

599
00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:24,360
back rearing its ugly head
again.

600
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,440
But my family is like super cool
with being like, Oh yeah, the

601
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,680
pill fix it.
Yeah, it doesn't fix it.

602
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,160
Though it doesn't exactly, it
just depresses the symptoms.

603
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:41,200
So finding out what where your
pet lie like stands in their in

604
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:47,400
their gut health and in their
liver health is really so basic

605
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,080
not just for allergies, but for
like longevity for energy

606
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,360
levels, especially as your dog
is older and taxed.

607
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,360
I mean, all of our dogs are
exposed to our dogs and cats,

608
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,520
dogs more.
If you have an indoor cat, you

609
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,600
can kind of control the toxins
better.

610
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,920
Not to say that our homes are
perfectly toxin free.

611
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,560
I know they're not.
Anytime you bring anything home

612
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,200
from the mall, from Amazon,
you're something's off gassing

613
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,000
and your cats probably taking it
all in.

614
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,040
But like, your pets are coming
outside to where it was just

615
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,320
sprayed for mosquitoes.
Your dogs are walking and

616
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,000
licking and swimming in water
that maybe, you know, not

617
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,120
optimal, even though it's
considered safe to swim in, in a

618
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,960
lake or something.
So all these things they're

619
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,400
taking in so much.
And so when they're now exposed

620
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,120
to something that causes high
histamine and now their bodies

621
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,200
just can't handle it.
And so I, I know one thing I

622
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:45,160
always do is I try to support my
pets liver before and after

623
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,560
vaccines.
Can you speak to kind of like if

624
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,640
that was something that somebody
is facing right now, what they

625
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,200
could do just because vaccines
right now, high histamine, kind

626
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,880
of a recipe for disaster?
It is I, yeah.

627
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,720
And and I will answer that.
But kind of to go back to what

628
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:06,960
you were saying, This is why it
is so important that we are

629
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,400
doing these kind of like really
low level daily detoxing with

630
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,040
like intentionality of the foods
that we're eating and the foods

631
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,080
that we're feeding our dogs.
Which is why.

632
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,400
And again, we we have learned
through a lot of the data that

633
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,640
Animal Biome has has gathered
over the past handful of years

634
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,320
that raw fed dogs, generally
speaking, are not getting enough

635
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:38,120
plant matter in their diets.
And this is one of the reasons

636
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,320
why this is that is so important
for us to address as pet parents

637
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:49,360
who are especially raw feeders
like myself, because these like

638
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:55,160
low level daily detoxes that
we're doing with plant matter

639
00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:00,040
is, is what is going to kind of
keep our dogs and our cats and

640
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,560
ourselves.
Able to handle all of it, all of

641
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,400
what is thrown at us on a daily
basis.

642
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,280
All of those things you were
talking about where we can't we

643
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,960
can't manage the fact that the
park down the street is being

644
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,720
sprayed with glyphosate.
We can't necessarily manage

645
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:18,440
that.
Yeah, we.

646
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,760
We have to buy a new couch,
right.

647
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,680
And it doesn't matter where
we're getting that couch from,

648
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,560
it's going to off gas.
Like those are the things that

649
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:31,000
it's easy to be become really
overwhelmed with because it's

650
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,200
everywhere around us.
But if we're doing this these,

651
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,520
these, like really simple things
daily that our bodies are much

652
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:45,680
better equipped to handle these
like, not regular, but, you

653
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,600
know, every so often influxes
that we're getting.

654
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,800
But yeah, if we are having to do
a vaccine, which is not my

655
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,160
favorite thing in the world,
but, you know, everybody's in a

656
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:03,040
different position.
And you as as a pet parent, have

657
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,840
to decide what's going to be
best for your pet and your

658
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,800
family.
I believe the protocol.

659
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,920
I actually have Rita Hogan's new
book right here on my desk right

660
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,520
now that I'm reading.
I believe her protocol.

661
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,520
And everybody has different
protocols, but I believe Rita's

662
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,320
protocol is 2 weeks before and
eight weeks after of Milk

663
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:29,200
Thistle.
This is something that I do with

664
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,800
dogs regularly anyway.
I do it with myself.

665
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:36,600
I'm currently finishing up an 8
week cycle of milk Thistle for,

666
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,920
for me.
And I, you know, I think it's

667
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:45,520
important, you know, this is a
really gentle herb that we can

668
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,000
use that can really do wonders
for our liver.

669
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,920
I also, and this is not in
anybody's protocol but mine, I

670
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:02,520
use a full spectrum hemp extract
with my dog and with myself and

671
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:08,560
while yes, I really enjoy the
calming benefits, especially if

672
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,480
I give myself way too much of
it.

673
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:21,000
Super Suit 2024 or 2023?
It might have been 4 because I

674
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,600
was in a bad way last year.
I think it was 20.

675
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,080
No, no, it might have been 23.
It might have been 23.

676
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:32,400
I should have.
I should have.

677
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,920
She wanted to do it last year.
She.

678
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:41,880
She was so relaxed, so relaxed.
I had to be like, do you want to

679
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,560
go somewhere?
Do you want to just sit here?

680
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,880
What are we doing?
Because she did she and it was

681
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,480
it was the CBD dog health right?
Yeah, well, I so I put it, I put

682
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,120
the horse tincture in the dog
bottle for traveling and I

683
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,200
forgot.
That's what I did.

684
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,360
And I was like, I took my
regular dose in the morning,

685
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,160
which is just my regular, no,
nothing's going to happen to me

686
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,640
dose.
And then some stuff happened

687
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,880
during the day where I was like,
I can't handle this, I need to

688
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,320
do something.
And somebody was like, I don't

689
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,600
remember.
It might have even been you.

690
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,000
You're like, don't have your CBD
And like, I took a whole dropper

691
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,400
full, forgetting that it was the
horse tincture.

692
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,080
So I wound up with like, I don't
know, over 100 milligrams that

693
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,560
day.
But I will say that you

694
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,800
obviously took too much, but
it's not like you were sick.

695
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,680
You weren't, you weren't like
fool.

696
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,960
You were just so relaxed.
Yeah, which obviously I don't

697
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,560
know I'll, I'll never reach that
level of relax, I don't think.

698
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,400
But maybe I'll try it at super
soon this year, I'll get myself

699
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,680
some horse CBD.
And so for those who are not

700
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,480
familiar with Rita Hogan, Rita
is a canine herbalist and she

701
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,720
just came out with a book
actually speaking about Super

702
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,080
Zoo.
She's going to be doing, she's

703
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,000
doing a book tour, but she's
going to be at Super Zoo doing a

704
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,160
book tour or two or signing
there.

705
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,080
And her book is called the
herbal dog holistic Canine

706
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,200
herbalism.
So it's very much anticipated.

707
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,240
She is the leader in canine
herbalism in the industry.

708
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,320
And so we've all been looking
forward to her book.

709
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,240
So if you're looking to do some
kind of things with your pets

710
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:30,200
that start with DIY remedy stuff
at home, this is a great book

711
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,240
for you.
I'm going to get mine signed.

712
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,760
Yeah, yes, I am too.
But I think in July she's

713
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,120
because she's going to be here
in July too.

714
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,920
When you come for the summit,
The nautical dog.

715
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,040
Yes, I'm going to Yorktown or
not Yorktown.

716
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,560
Well, I'm going to be in
Yorktown too, but I'm going to

717
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,680
be in Williamsburg with Jessica.
Jessica, tell us about that

718
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:58,280
event real quick.
So it is the third annual The

719
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,360
More You Know Pet Wellness
Summit hosted by the Nautical

720
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,840
dog, my beautiful, beautiful
friend Amanda, who I was lucky

721
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,480
enough to have lunch with her on
Friday.

722
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:15,320
Actually, she has had this indie
pet store for 19 years.

723
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:20,680
So she's kind of OG and the
healthy pet space and she, this

724
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,280
is her third year putting on the
event and it is like the event

725
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,440
on the East Coast, which is
pretty incredible.

726
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,320
She kind of shot it out of the
park the very first year and has

727
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,680
been trying to figure out how to
one up it every year since.

728
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:41,240
And so this year we have trying
to remember the speakers off the

729
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:46,160
top of my head, we have Connor
Brady is the headliner, Amy Rens

730
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,600
is speaking, Susan Thixton is
speaking, Rita Hogan is

731
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,360
speaking, and I believe Doctor
Katie Kangas is speaking as

732
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,000
well.
So it's going to be super fun,

733
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:03,800
very informative.
And I just, I mean, I, I say

734
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,880
this is the season coming up in
the summer that I look forward

735
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,480
to every year because I feel
like these are my people.

736
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,040
Yeah, right.
And like, we don't get to see

737
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,800
each other except when events
like these are going on.

738
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,440
So yeah.
And then of course, Super Zoo,

739
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,680
because then we get J and Adrian
and you know.

740
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:28,360
Well, so anybody who's in that
area, Williamsburg, Yorktown,

741
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:33,400
Newport News, the Hampton Roads
area of Virginia, Amy Runs is

742
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,440
actually going to be at the
Nautical Dog on April 12th.

743
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,360
So that's coming up here soon.
She's going to be talking about

744
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,000
Whole Foods versus synthetics
for dogs and cats.

745
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,840
And that is a free event at the
Nautical Dog.

746
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,880
So you can reserve a spot still
again, that's the Nautical Dog.

747
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:57,040
And for the for the more You
know Summit 2025, it is sold

748
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,080
out.
So.

749
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,480
I do believe no, there are some.
No it's not.

750
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:02,640
Oh there are some tickets.
Oh cool.

751
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,240
So let me know if I need a
ticket, but I wanted to invite

752
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:11,000
my my client to.
She will need a ticket if she

753
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,520
goes.
But I will need it right?

754
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,560
Because you're coming with me.
Perfect.

755
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,200
Yay, I'm going to be at your
booth, aren't I?

756
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,480
Yes, you're going to be at my
booth because I am a sponsor for

757
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,600
a day.
Amazing.

758
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,160
So yeah.
So anyway, back to the

759
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,720
conversation at hand.
The nautical dog.

760
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,600
The gosh.
Why can't I never?

761
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,800
I think I know her name, but I
know she doesn't like her name

762
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,800
being said.
Maple.

763
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,840
Sailor's mom, yes.
No, yes, says Rodney.

764
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,960
And Karen will be speaking at
Super Zoo this year, which I

765
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,800
actually did not know, so that's
interesting.

766
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,000
That's cool.
I'm surprised they're coming

767
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:56,640
back the second year in a row.
Yeah, that's so cool.

768
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,680
I'm glad I I thought they had
fun.

769
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,120
Well, I thought they had fun, of
course, but I mean, they're also

770
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,920
like, you know, they have a PRR
team and they're in demand.

771
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,480
They're busy.
Well, I mean, Super Zoo knows

772
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,440
what they're doing.
So a little step back for those

773
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,280
who are interested in Innovative
Pet Lab.

774
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,640
Are you an affiliate with them?
You can actually get their

775
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:21,400
products on my website at
jessicalfisher.com.

776
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,440
Perfect.
So yeah.

777
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,880
And the cost for the cat
comprehensive gut check is 249

778
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,320
and the cost for the dog
comprehensive gut check is 99.

779
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,520
And I mean, I know it sounds
like a lot of money, but just

780
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,840
think about all the steps that
it saves you at the vet, all the

781
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,440
meds that it saves, like all the
trips back and forth, all the

782
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,320
topicals that you're going to
put on the skin and all that.

783
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,840
So just think about that.
And then Animal Biome, are you

784
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,480
an affiliate with them as well
or do they have one?

785
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,920
Yeah, I have.
Well, no, I, I think I have a

786
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,240
wholesale account with them, but
I don't have their stuff on my

787
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:03,840
website yet.
But I also wanted to mention

788
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,320
that Innovative Pet lab, because
I said earlier like they're,

789
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,440
they're coming out.
They they've been coming out

790
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,160
with stuff.
They recently came out with a

791
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,040
stress test for our pets as
well, which I think is really

792
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,040
darn cool.
Cortisol.

793
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,240
Levels, yes, yes.
So that's something that we can

794
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:27,120
add on to any of the the
comprehensive if we if we need

795
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:32,200
to for a little bit of a fee.
But she so dog Todd is saying

796
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,080
super zoom has invited them to
come as speakers this year,

797
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,240
which is pretty cool.
We'll have to look at school

798
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:40,560
the.
Schedule.

799
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,360
Yeah, because we have our own
schedule this.

800
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,560
Year we're trying to, not trying
to not overdo it like we do

801
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,920
every year.
Like last year I came home with

802
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,400
COVID, I came home with COVID
like I had never had COVID

803
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,080
before.
I've been to super Zoo, I've

804
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,840
traveled all over.
I never had COVID before and I

805
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:07,000
was I feel like I was so rundown
that I ended up sick.

806
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:12,240
I think almost everybody, like
almost everybody I talked to,

807
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:13,960
left with COVID.
Yeah, yeah.

808
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,920
And I know I've been exposed a
million times.

809
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,640
My husband had it, my kids had
it.

810
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,880
I didn't have it.
So I know I've been exposed.

811
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,000
It was just like my immune
system was not working.

812
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,960
I was so tired.
I was so taxed.

813
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,000
And I didn't even drink or party
that much.

814
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,760
We were like in bed like normal
times.

815
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,720
We were. 2023 was way more fun.
Yeah, I'll be.

816
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,160
I'll be honest, it was way more
fun.

817
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:40,240
It was and she's bringing Maple
cider this year, by the way, to

818
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,960
meet her.
Yes, I, I just, we need to have

819
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,960
fun again this year and we are
going to have fun again this

820
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,560
year while getting our work
done.

821
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:53,480
We will get our.
Course and we will book, we will

822
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,280
book so we can do this live
there.

823
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,280
We'll book the podcast capsule
if they have it again, so we can

824
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,040
do this weekly pet roundup.
It'll probably be on a Thursday,

825
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,320
I think Wednesday or Thursday
depending on what day we decide

826
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,720
to hit the show floor.
But I did want to finish up.

827
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:13,520
I is there anything that's
missing from our conversation on

828
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,040
your end?
Because I do want to ask you a

829
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,960
question that I already know the
answer to, but I want to give

830
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,320
you the opportunity to wrap
anything up that's serious

831
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:20,880
first.
I don't.

832
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:28,120
Know, I mean I think.
Use your tools.

833
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,280
Use your tools.
Yeah, there's so many podcasts.

834
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,920
Have you done any podcast
interviews specifically about

835
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,560
allergies that people might want
to refer to?

836
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,400
Not specifically about
allergies, no, but there are

837
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:45,200
definitely podcasts on, you
know, the polyphenol benefits

838
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:52,600
of, of plants.
There's a crap ton on gut

839
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,920
health.
Yeah, I think.

840
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,840
And that's going to get to you
where you need to be really at

841
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,640
the end of the day.
Yes, exactly.

842
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,960
Don't give up.
Don't, don't put, you know, a

843
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,800
Band-Aid on the symptoms by just
giving allergy meds.

844
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,800
It's not something you'd want
for yourself.

845
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,720
So your pet probably won't want
it for themselves either.

846
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,000
And I just want to finish up
Jessica asking you how you feel

847
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,200
about veterinary diets for
allergies.

848
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,760
Wait, they have veterinary diets
for allergies?

849
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,920
They do they do they?
Have them for like food food

850
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:37,120
allergies but like Oh my gosh.
I am in general not a fan of

851
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,360
veterinary diets.
Most.

852
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,480
OK, so Derm Complete
environmental food sensitivity

853
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:53,800
dry food from Hills Adult
Sensitive stomach and skin

854
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,600
chicken dry dog food, chicken
based, chicken based.

855
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,000
No, thank you.
Which is the most common

856
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,000
allergen, I think for both cats
and dogs, right?

857
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,280
Yeah, it absolutely just dogs.
Yes.

858
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:18,720
So here I no 99% of the theory
behind those foods, whether they

859
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,040
call them prescription or
veterinary or whatever they're

860
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:28,200
calling them, the theory is oh
crap, the food that we told you

861
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,480
to buy and feed your dog caused
a problem.

862
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,040
So here's another food that we
make to to fix it and it that

863
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:41,960
that's what these are and with.
Sounds familiar?

864
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,760
Sounds like the opioid crisis.
Right with with a handful of

865
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:53,440
them, the nutrients are so
inappropriate for the species

866
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:58,840
they are feeding that they have
to be sold to you through a

867
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,880
veterinarian because they are
supposed to be modern monitoring

868
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,080
their nutrient levels because I.
Did not know that.

869
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:12,160
That's why you can't just go and
buy a kidney diet without a

870
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,920
prescription from your
veterinarian because the protein

871
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:22,280
levels are so low that literally
that species cannot live with

872
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,160
that low of a protein because
they are carnivores.

873
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,480
They start muscle wasting.
They start pulling amino acids

874
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,120
from their own muscle because
they're not getting it from

875
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:37,120
their diet.
So in my opinion, while there

876
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:43,680
are some things that if they are
advanced enough we would want to

877
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:50,120
make adjustments to the
nutrients, most of the time we

878
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:54,200
really just need to get these
dogs or cats on a species

879
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,680
appropriate diet and we're going
to see a lot of resolution with

880
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,400
just that.
Yes.

881
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,960
And one thing I'll add before we
conclude is I know that it's

882
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,840
really, I had a friend and I'm
thinking of one person, but I

883
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,520
know people reach out to me
about pet stuff all the time.

884
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,840
I had one friend whose dog was
miserable, miserable, miserable,

885
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,640
miserable, you know, skin
allergies.

886
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,200
It's a, it's a Frenchie, I
believe.

887
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,400
So, you know, I don't know about
the breeding and where they got

888
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,200
the dog.
And you know, Frenchies are

889
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:31,440
probably the most misbred,
poorly bred dog right now breed

890
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,120
right now.
So it is really tough when I see

891
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:38,400
somebody is like getting one,
maybe not informed and then they

892
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,760
have all these issues with them.
And that's why puppy mills are

893
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,400
so dangerous because you not
only spend a ton of money on a

894
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,880
dog that's not up to par, but
you also have to deal with the

895
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,280
consequences of that for the
remainder of their life, which

896
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:49,840
could be short, could be long,
we don't know.

897
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,040
So they, she reached out to me
and she, you know, asked me and

898
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,000
I referred her to you and Kara,
you know, I think first and

899
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,360
foremost, we need to look at the
diet first and foremost.

900
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,160
We need to look at the gut first
and foremost.

901
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,680
We need to look at like just
organ function and things like

902
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,120
that.
And I get so frustrated because

903
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,840
I don't, from what I know, I
don't believe that they reached

904
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,600
out to either one of you guys.
And I know that these people are

905
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:19,440
really great pet parents, but I
think something stops us from

906
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,560
pulling the trigger on doing
something that's not what our

907
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,720
vet has historically said.
And I do believe that it takes

908
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:31,280
some gumption and it takes some
courage to kind of go against

909
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,720
the grain.
I recognize that.

910
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:39,160
But I assure you that you will
one, not be hurting your pet by

911
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,360
looking at these things.
You're not going to hurt them

912
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:48,000
because a fecal test or you
know, swab of some sort is not

913
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,320
going to hurt them in any way.
And then it's going to arm you

914
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,560
with information.
So what if it doesn't get

915
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,760
resolved?
You're out $300.00, which you

916
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,560
would have been out $300.00 at
the vet.

917
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:58,400
So now you're breaking even
basically.

918
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,280
Because I mean, with you when
you go just to see the vet and

919
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,160
just to get the Apoquel, you're
out $300.00 minimum.

920
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:10,360
So you're breaking even at at
best, worst breaking even, I

921
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,000
guess.
And at best you're getting an

922
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,200
answer.
So I, I challenge those who are

923
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:20,920
really struggling to just like
contact somebody like Jessica or

924
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,360
contact somebody like Cara or
contact, you know, anybody.

925
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,080
It's not because I know Jessica
and I love her and she's one of

926
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:31,440
my best friends, but like I know
something stopping you from

927
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,480
doing that.
But like, these people are not

928
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,160
out to get you.
These people are not out to

929
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,920
steal your money.
I'm sure you offer a

930
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,760
consultation where you can
discuss things without a huge

931
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,480
investment.
I encourage you to think outside

932
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:47,800
the box because you have to be
the advocate for your pet.

933
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,320
And if you see your pet is
miserable, you see your pet is

934
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,720
licking, you see your pet has
open sores on their skin, their

935
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,400
eyes are gooey and disgusting
and like all these things,

936
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,000
that's just what you see.
You're not getting what they're

937
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000
feeling because they can't tell
you.

938
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,800
So advocate for them.
Challenge the preconceived

939
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,240
notions of what it's like to
potentially feed something

940
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:14,640
you're not used to feeding.
Really do what's best for your

941
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,600
pet, even if it is a little more
expensive.

942
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:20,200
Just because I promise you, I
promise you that most of the

943
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,760
people who are on this side have
been where you are.

944
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,440
And the reason we're so
passionate about these other

945
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,160
modalities and these others
approaches is because we have

946
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,640
seen the difference that they
can make.

947
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,360
And like, I'm just one of
millions of people who will tell

948
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,040
you if you go to like any of
these natural groups, you know,

949
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:45,280
natural pet groups on Facebook
or if you follow Jessica or Kim

950
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,800
Gautier or any of these people
or Oh my gosh, what's his name?

951
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,720
Roth eating one O 1.
Why is his name escaping me?

952
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,320
Right now, Well, he sold it to
somebody.

953
00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,000
I don't know that person.
Well, he he, he is the reason

954
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,840
I'm using his name.
Why can't I remember his name?

955
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:03,360
He's a great guy.
Scott.

956
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,080
Scott.
Scott.

957
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,360
Something Scott J Marshall
Marshall Marshall.

958
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,840
So Scott, the reason everybody
gets into these things is

959
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,680
because they're where you are.
Like it's because their pet

960
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,840
showed up with something really,
really rough and really hard to

961
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,080
deal with and something that the
vet couldn't address.

962
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,400
So the vet kept giving meds for
and they knew that there was a

963
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,000
better way.
So like, use your resources,

964
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,920
don't be scared and don't just
assume that it's going to cost

965
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,800
you a fortune.
Like I promise you what these

966
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,000
people are charging is not
enough for what they should be

967
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,520
charging.
That's the first thing.

968
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,040
Like it's not enough.
They've they're paying for all

969
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,480
these certifications to learn
what they're teaching you or

970
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,040
sharing with you and they're not
charging enough.

971
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,400
I guarantee you, you'd go more.
You're probably more likely to

972
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,320
go broke at the vet than you are
working with somebody like

973
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,240
Jessica or Kara or buying these
kits that we're talking about.

974
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,240
Just think outside the box.
I can't say it enough.

975
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:03,000
Like if you know, the definition
of insanity is doing the same

976
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,000
thing over and over again and
expecting different results.

977
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,840
And like I see so many pet
parents falling in that trap and

978
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,760
it just breaks my heart for the
pet mostly.

979
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,040
Yeah.
Well, what I, what I have

980
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:17,080
realized is that when we just
blindly listen to whatever our

981
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,600
veterinarian says to do, and
nothing is getting better, but

982
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:26,760
we just keep listening to them,
It's, it's a very disempowering

983
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:31,480
place to be.
And my goal whenever I'm working

984
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:37,520
with somebody is to empower them
to be their pets advocate and to

985
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:42,680
actually help their pet thrive.
And, and, and the truth is that

986
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:50,000
that leap is scary to go from, I
have this professional that I

987
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:54,480
trust implicitly to, Oh my gosh,
this is my responsibility now.

988
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,360
Like that's a, this is scary
leap, but it's totally possible.

989
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,440
And I think that's why it's also
important to utilize.

990
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,720
And again, not just myself,
somebody like Cara or another,

991
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:14,280
you know, nutritionist and pet
health coach it it, it is very

992
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:19,480
like they're going to help you
feel empowered.

993
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,560
They're going to help you
understand the why to what we're

994
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,880
doing to what?
Because I'm never sitting here,

995
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,760
I will never talk to somebody
like a veterinarian will talk to

996
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,120
me saying this is what you need
to do or you're going to kill

997
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,240
your dog, right?
Like they're veterinarians have

998
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,720
not just to me, I don't, I
countless number of people have

999
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,160
posted that that's happened to
them, right?

1000
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,240
It's happened to me.
We're a veterinarian.

1001
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,200
In fact, recently I had a
veterinarian try to tell me that

1002
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,440
everything I was doing with my
dog is wrong.

1003
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:56,920
And I will never talk to
somebody like that because that

1004
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:01,920
doesn't help you learn anything.
And that's my goal is for you to

1005
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,440
understand like the why behind
what we're doing so that you

1006
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:10,040
really do feel empowered and you
can actually take that on, take

1007
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,760
that information and like work
with every dog you have.

1008
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,080
Go down the line forward
exactly, exactly.

1009
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,960
Well, and this applies to all
medical the whole medical

1010
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,960
community.
I think it's, you know, it is,

1011
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,440
it is.
There's a right way to do

1012
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:25,840
things, right?
There's a standard in the

1013
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:27,960
medical community, and that's
totally cool.

1014
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:33,320
That's totally like, obviously
your doctor, they shouldn't be

1015
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,800
giving you your dog.
Your veterinarian is not going

1016
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,400
to go rogue either and be like,
yeah, you know, F vaccines, like

1017
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,320
they'd lose their license if
they did something like that,

1018
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,560
right.
So knowing understanding where

1019
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,280
they're coming from and their
training and their licensing and

1020
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,560
what they're the standards
they're held to are not the only

1021
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:58,560
option is always a really great
place to be Like for me, for my

1022
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,000
kids.
My kids go to their annual

1023
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:05,440
checkup every year.
We decline certain things every

1024
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:10,600
year.
We will accept medication for

1025
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,440
things.
A lot of other parents in

1026
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:17,000
general would never accept you.
My son has ADHD.

1027
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,520
We've tried a bunch of stuff
and, you know, to help him.

1028
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:24,640
I will do anything, whether it's
medical establishment or, you

1029
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,520
know, alternative medicine,
whatever I will try.

1030
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,640
I will do things based on my gut
and my knowledge of him.

1031
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,160
So I am all about it.
But I recognize that, you know,

1032
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,880
this person is going to come at
me with this versus this

1033
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,280
person's going to come at me
with this.

1034
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,480
And I think one last resource I
want to share is Doctor Katie

1035
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,440
Woodley.
I think she's really fantastic.

1036
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,720
I know she's put up a lot of
things about allergies.

1037
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:50,360
Doctor Katie Woodley is a
veterinarian, but she is an

1038
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,840
alternative modality.
She's comfortable with an

1039
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,000
alternative.
She does a lot of testing, too.

1040
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,960
She and I spoke about my son and
she gave me some ideas a few

1041
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,720
years ago at Super Zoo.
So that's another really great

1042
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,880
resource if you're looking for
something more medical like,

1043
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:08,840
right, like you want to go to a
veterinarian.

1044
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,520
So there you go.
You have that option and there

1045
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,000
are other options.
I mean, there are plenty of

1046
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,560
holistic veterinarians that
actually are probably on your

1047
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:20,480
show.
Yeah, no, I love, I love how

1048
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,880
doctor, doctor Katie Woodley is
really like honed in on like

1049
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,480
everything she does is about the
gut.

1050
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:32,160
It's all about the gut.
So yeah, yeah, I think that

1051
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:36,920
pretty much covers it and I hope
it this can help people maybe

1052
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:40,640
survive allergy season this year
and every year moving.

1053
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:45,040
Forward.
Yeah, the the tree outside my

1054
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:48,000
house is waving around like
crazy.

1055
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:54,080
Like so, so crazy.
And the other tree next to it is

1056
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,440
just now blooming.
And we have a sandstorm.

1057
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,480
So you like, literally it's so
windy here that the sand from

1058
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,800
the desert gets picked up and
thrown all over the place.

1059
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,520
And my son has a cough.
And I'm like, well, it could be

1060
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:07,800
a virus.
It just could be the

1061
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,360
environment.
Like, it could just be how

1062
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,240
miserable it is here.
We have a little enclosed patio

1063
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,520
and you can't be out there.
Like everything is covered in

1064
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,320
dust.
Everything is covered in dirt

1065
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:21,240
and sand.
And it is so dry.

1066
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,640
And it's so like my skin was
itching yesterday.

1067
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:25,560
And I think a lot of it has to
do with the environment.

1068
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:29,800
So before you start medicating
on that random things, also take

1069
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,680
a look at what might be coming
around because it is still,

1070
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:36,680
we're still kind of in like flu,
COVID season and allergy season

1071
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,560
all at the same time, depending
on where you are.

1072
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,000
What's the temperature like in
Hampton Roads area?

1073
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,960
Yesterday it was like 80 and it
rained.

1074
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:51,440
It thunderstormed overnight so I
think it was like 60 ish.

1075
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,760
So you guys similar?
Yeah, temperatures to us right

1076
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,320
now.
We're we're about there right

1077
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,320
now.
We were 55 this morning when we

1078
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,120
woke up and my daughter wanted
to put on hot shorts like she

1079
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,520
likes to wear, like her Daisy
Dukes, which, you know, is a

1080
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,400
whole other conversation.
And I had to be like, no, we're

1081
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,880
wearing pants because it's still
55��.

1082
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,280
She's ready for summer.
She's a gymnast.

1083
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,160
She thinks she's a gymnast.
So that's the hot pants.

1084
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,280
But yeah, so just make sure that
you're taking care of both your

1085
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,960
immune system, your allergies,
supporting yourself, rinsing off

1086
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,080
all that yuck and getting your
dogs bait.

1087
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,520
If your dogs bathed, if you're
in a situation where it's really

1088
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,080
nasty out, that might be that
might something to help.

1089
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,520
Yeah, wait there, Pause when
they come in.

1090
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:35,200
Yeah.
I mean, I think that's something

1091
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,160
we should be doing anyway, but
certainly anyway.

1092
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,360
Especially if they get in your
bed.

1093
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,880
Now that's another conversation.
But that you really want them to

1094
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,720
get a bath every, you know,
regularly.

1095
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,840
A lot of us let it go too far.
Too far.

1096
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:51,680
My dog gets a bath.
Mobile vet comes every month,

1097
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,280
once a month, no exceptions.
And she probably could use a

1098
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,040
bath every two weeks because she
gets so nasty outside.

1099
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,840
She rolls around in the dirt and
then she's bringing all of that

1100
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,760
in.
So you know, it is what it is.

1101
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:07,200
It's part of pet ownership, pet
parenting, sharing our lives

1102
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,640
with our pets.
We hope you have a great week.

1103
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,280
Thank you guys for joining us.
This will be on the feed on the

1104
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:17,160
Pet Parenting Reset and this
week I am interviewing on

1105
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:20,800
Thursday, 3:00 PM Mountain
Standard Time, so 5:00 PM

1106
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,720
Eastern.
I have a guest, Erin, who's

1107
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,640
promoting a really fun pet
contest.

1108
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,920
So join me for some drinks, a
happy hour, some conversation.

1109
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,320
I think I will share the
information about that so you

1110
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,440
can get started and follow her
on Thursday morning because I

1111
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:42,080
have so much to do to catch up
still from my trip to Spain and

1112
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,800
my cruise with the Texas
Packers.

1113
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,560
Yes.
I know I want I wanted to ask

1114
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,440
you about that.
We're we're so overtime right

1115
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,120
now we're.
So overtime, but it was so good.

1116
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:53,840
It was.
The cruise was amazing.

1117
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:57,920
I I love that I.
Love that the cruise was so much

1118
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,720
fun.
Like, I feel like, think about

1119
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,560
all of us getting all of our
Super Zoo people, Yeah, and

1120
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,520
going on a cruise together.
I mean, what could be better?

1121
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:09,160
Exactly like that's it was like
the it's the same thing.

1122
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:11,080
It's like this great group of
people.

1123
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,240
I adore the Texas Pet Sitters
Conference people.

1124
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:20,479
They've invited me next year,
2025 or 2026 to MC again.

1125
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,279
I spoke twice and then SEED this
year, which is a lot.

1126
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:27,920
And it was really fun and it was
just really cool to get away.

1127
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,680
My mom came with me and she met
everybody and she was like,

1128
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,200
you're such a good group.
And I'm like, you got to come to

1129
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,880
Super Zoo one day to meet all
those people too.

1130
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,000
I don't think, I don't think she
can hang, you know?

1131
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,399
Well, I'm glad that she went
with you and you had a blast.

1132
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:49,439
And I, you know, I know it's not
a, it's not a cruise next year,

1133
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:53,600
but hopefully, hopefully I'll
get to hang out with you guys

1134
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,479
next year.
Yes, exactly.

1135
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,080
And my goal is to get well, my
hope is that we all end up

1136
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,560
there.
And next year's Texas Pet

1137
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,439
Sitters Conference, for those
that are in the pet sitting

1138
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:09,000
industry, is in Austin and it is
open to pet sitters from all

1139
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,200
over the world.
You do not have to be from Texas

1140
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,720
to attend.
A lot of our members that attend

1141
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,040
every year from Virginia,
Connecticut, lots of

1142
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:19,800
Californians.
We've had people from Canada in

1143
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,840
the past.
We even had a speaker from

1144
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,479
Ireland last year.
I think it was.

1145
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,359
Yeah, it'll be really fun.
And yeah.

1146
01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:30,960
And then Spain was crazy, too.
Spain is fun.

1147
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,560
I can't wait to go back.
But the tickets are too

1148
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:39,600
expensive.
I was looking at flights today

1149
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,600
and I was like, shocked.
I was like what?

1150
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:45,680
OK.
Well, I spent 500 and some

1151
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:49,600
dollars to get to Williamsburg,
but I am flying into Norfolk.

1152
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,120
Yeah.
Yeah, it's usually cheaper there

1153
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,680
than Newport News.
That's yeah.

1154
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,000
I mean, I do Southwest.
So I was like, Southwest doesn't

1155
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,880
even fly into Newport News, I
don't think.

1156
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:00,480
So I just went with that.
Yeah.

1157
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:02,960
But yeah, it's getting
expensive, guys.

1158
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:04,400
It is.
Hang in there.

1159
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,400
All right.
Hope to see you next week.

1160
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:12,480
We're doing it Tuesdays again.
It's 3:00 PM Mountain Standard

1161
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:14,800
Time, 4:00 PM.
Central, 5:00 PM.

1162
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,840
Now that you're in five, you're
5:00 PM Eastern.

1163
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:19,600
Eastern.
Yes.

1164
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,200
So we will see you then guys.
Thanks.

1165
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,240
Again, for joining us, bye bye.