Tariffs Affecting Pet Products | Weekly Pet Roundup

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We're talking about tariffs
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This is a big topic in my
opinion.

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I mean.
We're not going to get

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political.
Yeah, that's what you were

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hoping for.
No.

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That's not happening.
I like to keep my politics close

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to my heart, kind of like my
cocktails.

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Right here, cocktails.
I keep them right here, right

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here.
We're only I can enjoy them, OK?

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But it is a thing I mean.
Political thing, it is going to

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affect all of us.
It, it is, but I think I think

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you and I, at least I don't know
about people watching or people

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who may comment on this either
live or once it's posted, can

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try to remain unbiased, but I
think you and I are I, I think

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we do a pretty good job of that.
So hopefully that will come

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across because it really does
not matter what your political

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viewpoint is one way or the
other, this is what's happening.

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So we need to understand it and
be able to respond as best we

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can.
And I will say, I'm going to let

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you kind of start things off
today if you don't mind, Isabel,

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because I have, I have a hopeful
outlook on this that I am going

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to share closer to the end of of
the podcast today.

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So I don't know how hopeful I am
about this.

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Well, I mean, we all know what
tariffs are.

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Tariffs are taxes on goods that
are brought in from another

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country.
Initially, the tariff war was

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against pretty much every single
country that in any way ships

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goods to the United States.
Then those countries were like,

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well, if you're going to tear
off us, we're going to tear off

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you.
And then it just turned into

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this, unfortunately, even if
people are playing.

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Politics last year Oh, I lost
you on.

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Yeah, I see it.
I see it weird.

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I think we're coming back.
Are you?

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It's not me, OK?
We'll see.

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Sorry guys on Facebook and
YouTube.

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Yeah, so weird, but.
Yeah, well, hang on, I don't

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want to.
If I refresh my screen I might

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leave, I don't know.
It says that I don't have

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Internet, but I have Internet,
says my collect.

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My connection's unstable, but I
have a feeling that stream yard.

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So I hear like when we're doing
doing this, the way I listen to

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you is through Stream Yard.
And so OK, wait, you're going

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now you're gone everywhere.
Technical difficulties.

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How about this?
So weird.

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I'm here.
Can you see me?

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Do you see me?
OK, I see you on Instagram.

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I don't see you on stream Yard
at all.

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Yeah, we're going to have to do
that again.

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I think it's Stream Yard.
OK, you want to try to start

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that over or do you?
I'm I'm still to me, it still

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shows we're live on stream yard,
but I'm the only one in the

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stream.
How?

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I don't know.
I can get out.

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No, no, no, if you want me to
get out.

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Don't, don't, don't, OK?
There you are.

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OK, sorry.
Guys, I don't know what just

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happened.
That was so weird.

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My little like the Wi-Fi sign on
my phone and everything was

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fine, but then everything was
just crashing.

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So I don't know, maybe we have
people trying to shut us up

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about tariffs and pet products.
Maybe.

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So anyway, the problem with
playing politics, which is not

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just our administration, it's
like the whole world, is that

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all of a sudden people get
scared, right?

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So the manufacturer gets scared,
the retailer gets scared, the

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worker gets scared, the stock
market gets scared.

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So if you're retiring soon, I
apologize for you.

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I feel bad for you because I
know that that's affected a lot

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of portfolios because
everybody's playing politics.

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And, you know, the reality is
not we in the United States

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cannot make everything that we
get abroad, especially not this

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quickly, right?
Like, so like the problem with

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tariffs is in the short term,
they cause all sorts of

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craziness.
Whether or not they're good in

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the long term is for an
economist to speak on, not me.

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I did study economics.
I have a minor in economics, but

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I will not speak to that.
I will say though, that I have

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spoken to a couple of people in
the pet industry who are making

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their own products.
One of them is a poop bag

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manufacturer that is scared she
just won't be able to compete

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anymore.
And then I did speak to or hear

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from a a pet product
manufacturer that makes leashes,

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harnesses, clothing, things like
that, and as well is not able to

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really operate right now just
because of the uncertainty of

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the tariffs.
So I'll explain it from the

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perspective of the poo bags
manufacturing poo bags

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manufacturing pet products and
then we'll talk about just like

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packaging and stuff.
Initially with the person that I

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spoke to, it's they, she just
isn't, isn't placing orders

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right now because she doesn't
know what the cost of the order

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will be when it arrives here,
right?

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So she will have to pass that
expense on to the consumer.

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And if she raises her prices too
much, the consumer just won't

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buy.
So right now she's like, I have

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my inventory and that's what I'm
selling.

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I don't know what comes next for
my business if this happens

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because, you know, she's known
for her bio landfill,

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biodegradable poop bags.
And obviously she would have to

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take a big pivot.
She does sell other things.

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So she's and she's like such a
badass.

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So I'm, I'm not super worried
about her, but like, you know,

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she gave me the idea that
basically her bat, her bags

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right now, one of the packages
sells for $10.

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Based on what's projected, she
would have to sell that same

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package for $22.00.
And the market just can't

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withstand that, right?
Like people will use their

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grocery bags before they pay
$22.00 for a pack of poo bags.

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Landfill biodegradable or not.
Like it kind of doesn't, it's

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not really relevant anymore.
If it's that expensive, it's

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like, I can't.
So that's that.

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And then the second person is
also not ordering because the,

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the second person who
manufacturers pet products gets

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all of their fabrics.
The the pet products are made

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here.
The poop bag, the additive that

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goes in the poop bag is made in
the US, but it's sent to China.

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China makes the poop bag, sends
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For this pet product
manufacturer that I'm referring

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to, they get their fabric from
abroad and then make the

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products here in the US, which
is what a lot of people do.

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Made in the USA does not
exclusively mean, but all

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products within that line or
within that item, every piece of

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that item is not necessarily
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It's a lot of times assembled in
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from elsewhere.
So in her case, she can't get

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fabric at all here for like a
reasonable price like in the

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United States, fabric that, that
at her price point, what she

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gets in abroad, it does not
exist here in the United States.

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So she can't make any more
products.

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So again, she's got her products
that she has and she's kind of

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not importing fabric, not making
new inventory.

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And So what happens?
And I can't speak to either one

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of them because I didn't ask
them if they were going to raise

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their prices on what they have.
But the next logical step if you

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can't get inventory is to raise
your prices on the inventory

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that you do have.
So I would assume that not just

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them, but everybody who's kind
of taking the same stance of

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like, let's not make more
product, let's not order, let's

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wait and see.
They might wait and see by

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raising their prices on what
they already have.

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So in immediately as consumers,
we may see that price increase

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even if they haven't really paid
more for what they have.

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We may actually just see it go
up just preemptively because as

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a business who's been, you know,
who has overhead, they have to

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continue to pay their staff.
They need to continue to pay

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their, you know, packaging loan
that they may have taken out

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like all their, their, their,
their warehouses, all the things

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that they have to maintain, they
need to continue to maintain.

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So what they have now is going
to have to help cover some of

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it.
And they'll probably raise the

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price as much as the market can
stand, right?

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So it might be a few dollars.
It might not be, you know, $10

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to $22.00, but it might be $10
to 15, I don't know, 13 even.

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But it is an increase that we
all have to consider.

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And then even if you buy a
product that is sourced in the

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United States, the packaging
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So packaging starts to become a
problem too when we start

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talking about food and
supplements and things like

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that, because most people, even
if they're in reporting stuff

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from countries that are not
going to be tariffs like, you

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know, like it's evolved to where
now there's like a China thing

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specifically.
So like now we're not talking

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about like New Zealand
necessarily or like Europe where

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maybe you get some supplements
or some like meat.

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You're talking about
specifically China.

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And you know, the electronics
companies like Apple already

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made a call and they're not
going to be tariffs because we

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already know that we can't
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then our economy will be very
much affected by that.

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But we know that anything that
is anything that is packaged in

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any single way, whether it's a
jar of pills, a little bottle

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of, of CBD, any kind of
packaging that goes around your

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harness or your leash or the bag
of pet food that even, you know,

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vaccines and things like in the
medical industry are going to go

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up.
Because all of those plastic

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containers for syringes and for
blood work and the latex gloves

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and things like that, it's all
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So we're inevitably, even if
we're not necessarily buying the

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the expensive poo bags or in the
market for a leash or a harness,

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everything's going to go up
basically because any tariff,

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whether it goes into effect or
not, scarce manufacturers and it

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scares retailers.
And I mean, and then they pass

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it on to the consumer, right?
So you know, Walmart is not

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going to lose money.
So they're going to end up

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seeing where they're going to be
able to make their profit margin

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still, even if the prices go up,
very few companies.

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And I think that like Target, I
think for a while there after

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the pandemic, like said, like we
are not going to raise prices on

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like these 10 critical items.
But a lot of this stuff is like

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not necessarily critical.
It might be comfortable for us

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to use and it might be stuff
that like we use in our

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day-to-day without thinking, but
it might not be like milk and

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eggs, even though we that's a
whole other conversation because

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those are already untouchable
for most people anyway.

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So that is what's happening is
that it's not just the tariff,

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it's the thought of the threat
of the potential of a tariff

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that is going to affect us and
our bottom line as consumers.

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Everything's going to go up just
based on the threat of these

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tariffs.
So that as a pet parent on a

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budget, because I mean, we all
have a budget, some of us have

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really big budgets and some of
us have really tiny budgets for

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our pets.
And some of us have more pets

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and some of us have like 1 very
spoiled pet.

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So whatever your budget is and
wherever you are on that

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spectrum of like spending, not
so spending pet parent, all of

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us are going to see a rise.
And that's why we wanted to talk

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about this, not because it's
political, but because we all

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need a strategy, right?
We all need to know going into

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this how our pets are going to
be affected.

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And we're going to talk about
your budget for even veterinary

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care and how if you're saving
money right now for your vet

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bills, you may, I need to save
more just in case.

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So I think I've done the intro
here, but let's let's hand it

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over to you.
Yeah.

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Well, I think, I think you
touched on what most people are

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thinking about and that is
prices increasing.

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But we also have to realize that
a lot of companies, not all, but

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a lot of companies may also cut
corners.

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So it's kind of A2 fold thing
that we have to be looking out

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for.
So, you know, I personally

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believe there are some companies
that would rather raise prices

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than cut corners.
Those are the kinds of companies

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that I I would prefer to support
because I want to I want to be

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competent in the quality of what
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At the same time, I also believe
there are companies that will do

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both raise prices and cut
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I think it was, don't quote me
on this, but I want to say it

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was pure, it was either Purina
or Hills and I think we talked

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about this a little bit there.
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quarter 4 for 2024, they
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revenue and and decrease their
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So they did both and and we can
fully expect to see companies

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like that continue to do both.
I think that is probably the

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worst case scenario.
You're paying more for a lesser

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quality.
To me that is the worst case

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scenario.
So again, it kind of comes back

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to what kind of trust you have
in the brands that you're buying

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and what kind of transparency
that the brands you're

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purchasing from have.
How accessible are these brands

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to you?
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most people wouldn't have any
idea how to even contact a

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brand.
And I get that.

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Like that's just too much.
Our bandwidth is like this and

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what we need to be doing every
day is like this.

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I get it.
So I think I, I think it in the

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short term, yes, I think we are
going to have a lot of these

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issues.
And I personally, I'd like, I

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feel like we're already, as you
said, seeing this like pre

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emptive price increase, not pet
product related, but I was

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recently out of town and had to
same day buy a piece of luggage

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to come back home.
And I norm like normally if I'm

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buying a piece of luggage, I'm
like doing my research was a

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good brand.
What's going to be a quality,

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you know what I mean?
But I in this like, I need it

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today.
I'm getting on the plane

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tomorrow.
I ran into TJ Maxx and I'm

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looking at these suitcases and
I'm like, granted, it's probably

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been 3:00-ish years since I had
something happen where again,

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the the last time the airline
completely destroyed my suitcase

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and I was getting on a cruise
ship and I had like an hour to

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get somewhere by a suitcase and
repack before getting on a

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cruise ship.
So it's been a few years since

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I've shopped for a suitcase at
like ATJ Maxx site situation.

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But I'm going, I'm walking in
looking at like a plain old

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like, first of all, we know the
same manufacturers making all of

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these and sticking different
labels on them, right?

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But I'm looking at these going,
how are you?

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How is TJ Maxx charging 150
dollars for a suitcase, right?

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I'm like, this isn't a quality
piece like how how are you

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expecting people to pay?
And to me I'm like, I don't know

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if this has anything to do with
these tariffs, but it just so

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happens to be like in this time
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So my mind went to it's the
tariffs, right, because

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obviously.
Everything's been going up since

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the pandemic.
Everything has been going up.

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Like I remember when we first
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here 8 years next month and like
everything was so affordable

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compared to the rest of the
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And now we're still more
affordable in like housing.

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I mean it's gone up at least
$150,000 for any house you want.

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Like back then you could have
gotten for 220, now you're

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getting it for 370 or whatever
or 350.

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But going out to dinner is now
like up, like on par with going

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out.
Especially if you have.

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Kids.
You have kids, how are you going

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out and.
Then everything's gone up.

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So that's the problem is we're
already without, I mean,

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literally the the Trump
administration ran on the

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economy because it was a huge
problem like that was, you know

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what I mean?
Like and they want because the

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economy was already a huge
problem.

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So this is not only due to the
tariffs.

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No, this is just other layer of
concern, instability in the

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market, blah, blah, blah.
And another thing that we need

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to consider as pet parents is
availability of things, right?

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Because inevitably when these
prices go up, go up, go up, go

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up, and like the market can't
sustain them even if you are

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willing to pay for something.
Even if I were willing to pay

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$20.00 for a pack of 10 poo
bags, poo bag rolls, yeah, it

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just is not going to exist for
me anymore whether I want it or

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not.
And what happens then is we're

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also seeing a business go under
and workers end up without jobs

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and, you know, somebody's dream
coming to an end.

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So obviously, like, it's all so
connected.

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But the reason I wanted to talk
about this more than anything is

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because of availability.
Not only based on your budget,

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but also even if you have, you
know you're making it rain at

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the Petco, you may not have that
object, that item, that thing

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that you want or that your pet
depends on.

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So if you know right now before
decisions are made, if things

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haven't risen as much as that,
it really makes it impossible

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for you to invest in it.
Right now might be a time to

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stock up on stuff that your pet
really depends on whether it's,

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you know, I don't know, like
some kind of CBD supplement

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where you know, it has improved
their quality of life and you

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want to make sure that they
still have it.

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Whether it's some kind of food
like that you use as a Topper,

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like a free, like I use a freeze
dried food as a Topper for my

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dogs and I and my cat and I want
to make sure that I potentially

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have something thought of.
Maybe not that quality, maybe

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like a step down, but something
still that I can still use.

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Because especially if you're
like a cat parent and you've

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been using fancy food, cats
don't transition all that well.

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So having a plan in place in
case there is unavailability,

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it's really quite important.
And if it's your pets quality of

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life depends on this, then I
think that it's an important

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thing to maybe potentially stock
up on if you can, if it doesn't

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break you financially, you know,
get a few jars or a few bottles

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of that CBD or get a few things.
Because again, I feel like we're

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at a moment right now where
people are still this close to

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making decisions about their
products.

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Maybe they haven't yet.
Maybe they're like in on May

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1st, we're going to figure
something out or on May or May

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15th, we have to make a
decision.

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Maybe people, especially small
brands, if you support small

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brands, they may kind of be like
kind of just like taking it all

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in and you may still be able to
get something at the price that

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you're used to.
And obviously that's a really

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great way to support these
businesses, especially if

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they're small, so that, you
know, maybe they can get past

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this tough time because this is,
I think this is very temporary.

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I think this is obviously like
as, as most things have been, I

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do think we need to kind of, if
you're in the middle class, you

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have to realize that our money
doesn't go as far as it once

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did.
So maybe we need to live a

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little more frugally.
And obviously, if you are

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struggling with your pet and
feeding your pet, it's only

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going to get harder.
So now is a good time to be

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looking at any programs near you
like food pantries, things like

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that for your pet.
Because if you're already

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struggling, chances are you may
have, you know, more struggles

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up ahead this summer.
People are already struggling.

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I saw that the airlines were
reducing flights because they

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think people are not travelling.
I don't know if that's true or

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not.
I everywhere I go, it's packed

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with people.
So like, I have no idea if

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that's the case.
But you know, every time that

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you see some kind of article
like that, it affects some

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businesses decision making.
Any fear mongering that's going

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on around the economy, around
tariffs, around anything like

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that is going to affect the
decisions that these businesses,

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especially small businesses
make, right?

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Like large, huge, multibillion
dollar companies have, you know,

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their own economists, their own
things, their own this, their

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own that.
They're going to do fine.

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They're going to be just fine.
The, it's the small businesses,

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the community based businesses
that are really going to be

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struggling and are going to be
making decisions and maybe even,

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you know, preemptively shutting
their doors because they can't

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make ends meet.
I mean, living in El Paso has

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really opened my eyes because I
lived in the DC area where like

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really the economy has always
been booming.

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Even in the recession in 2008,
the economy was booming, right?

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Because it was very, that that
area was really kind of

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safeguarded by the, the
government jobs, federal agents

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in the area.
There was a lot of contractor

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jobs that were, you know,
working with there's, there was

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conflict going on.
So all of the Boeing's and the,

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you know, Ingersoll Rands and
all those things were just like

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booming over there.
So all those government

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contractors were fine.
Most people work for some

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somehow related to the
government.

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So they were OK.
And then when I moved to El

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Paso, it's like a business opens
and within four months it's

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gone.
And like you try to support this

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business, but it was like they
can't, they just cannot survive.

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And like this environment that
we're in right now is only going

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to make that more difficult.
And we're only going to see more

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like big chain stores replace
the little guy as they, you

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know, flounder in these, in
these, in this environment, in

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this economy.
So if you have a sorry, just if

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you have a, a business that you
want to support locally, now's

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the time to do it if you can,
because it will affect them more

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than it will Walmart.
Oh, yeah, no, for sure.

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And I want to, I want to talk on
that topic a little bit more,

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but to go back a little bit to
the supplements and

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pharmaceuticals specifically.
So most pharmaceuticals are made

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overseas, mostly in China.
That is something that has been

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a big, so I know it was a big
part of the first Trump

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administration talk.
You know, there were a lot of

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talking points about bringing
pharmaceuticals back to the USI

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hope and I, I truly believe
again, politics aside, I my

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hope, especially with the whole
thing, you know, the changes in

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the Health and Human Services
department, is that there is

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going to be a big push to bring
pharmaceutical manufacturing as

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much as I'm again, I'm not a
huge, huge fan of the

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Pharmaceutical industry.
Like, let's no be clear on this.

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No, I don't.
Think anybody likes, If you like

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the Pharmaceutical industry, we
need to have a child.

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You're, I mean, they're like a.
They're a state.

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Right.
They're a necessary evil.

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Like that's what they are.
And.

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That's a masochist, right?
You're you're a masochist if you

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like.
Yeah.

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Well, I mean, I feel like, I
feel like if you, I mean, even

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if you're super like pro
medicine, moderate, you know,

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Western medicine and all that,
just, you know, knowing that

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you're sick and you need a pill
or a shot or something is

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already enough to like put us
off the Pharmaceutical industry,

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right.
So we all know that like they're

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not, they're a necessary evil.
I think even they recognize like

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they really, they really are a
necessary evil.

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They are.
We're saying we rely on them

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only when we're saying I'm.
Going to say I'm going to say a

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semi necessary evil, semi
necessary evil.

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I think there are cases then
when absolutely, you know, we,

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we, we want pharmaceuticals.
But the right, the United States

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uses pharmaceuticals is
insanity.

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We should not be doing what
we're doing.

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But at any rate, if you have an
animal that does rely on

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pharmaceuticals, your vet may
not have an answer for you, but

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maybe they can get around the,
you know, refill every 30 days

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to help you get a larger supply
on board just in case, right.

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They may not have an answer for.
I don't know if this is going to

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be available in 30 days.
Who the heck knows.

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But maybe they can help you with
getting more frequent, frequent

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refills right now so that you
can stock up a little bit if it

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is something that you your
veterinarian feels like your pet

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cannot do without.
But another thing to think

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about, as you were saying, stock
up on what you can stock up on,

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because again, going, but when
we were, we were talking about

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food and these companies
potentially providing it, it

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never, never like I'm, I feel
like they can't get any worse

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and then they figure out a way
to make it worse, right?

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Like the quality of of the food,
the quality of the supplements

447
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:57,000
potentially like, you know, the
market could be flooded with

448
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:03,200
really, really poor quality,
adulterated heavy metal filled

449
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,720
supplements that are just trying
to fill a void where people

450
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,120
can't afford the higher quality
ones anymore.

451
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,840
So that's something that I
really want to be like, think

452
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,200
about that.
Don't just because like if you

453
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,400
can't afford in in a month or
two months or three months or

454
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,480
however, again, I agree with
Isabel that I think this is

455
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,000
going to be a very temporary
thing.

456
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,360
But if you know a month or two
down the road you can't afford

457
00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:32,760
what you're you're used to
buying, don't just go and buy

458
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,640
some brand you've never heard of
because it's cheap, because it

459
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,560
likely is cheap for a very, very
good reason.

460
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,360
And you could be causing more
harm to your pet than then good

461
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,000
by doing that.
And, and of course, I will never

462
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,040
ever, ever say I don't know
anything going on with your

463
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,280
individual animal.
But I would almost go out on a

464
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,080
limb and say it would probably
be better to forego something

465
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,240
like a supplement then to give
them something that's highly

466
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,160
adulterated, potentially filled
with heavy metals and who the

467
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,200
heck knows what else.
So if you can stock up on things

468
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,480
like that now go ahead and do
that, especially if you are

469
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,320
supporting a small business,
especially if you are supporting

470
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,680
a local business, even if that.
So when we think about local, we

471
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,400
think we tend to think
hyperlocal.

472
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,120
But honestly, United States, in
this case, United States is

473
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:33,680
local for me, right?
Like it would be lovely to be

474
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,440
able to sit there and say, well,
I'm only going to buy from the

475
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,720
tri-state area or you know what,
like something like that.

476
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,200
But that that may not be in this
type of situation.

477
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,040
Exactly.
And I think the same is going to

478
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,760
be true for grooming products.
You talked about packaging also

479
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,000
the supply chain.
Yeah, just.

480
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,240
Think about the bottle of
shampoo, like that bottle of

481
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,880
shampoo might be, you know,
cents on the dollar right now.

482
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,800
It might end up being just the
bottles over a dollar at some

483
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,400
point, if not more.
We're talking about 25% tariffs.

484
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,600
And I will say this, I do think
it's temporary because I don't

485
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:14,040
genuinely believe that this
trade war, this tariff war will

486
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,720
actually actually like
materialize.

487
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,600
Like I don't believe we're
actually going to end up with

488
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,640
tariffs.
I believe, and I'm going to try

489
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,640
to say this without giving any
away anything away, but I

490
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,760
believe actually I'm not, I'm
not going to do that.

491
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,080
I believe this is a whole
pissing contest.

492
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,400
That's what I think this is.
This is a political pissing

493
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,160
contest.
And I think at some point

494
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,400
everybody's going to realize
that it's going to suck for

495
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,120
everybody if we move forward
with this.

496
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,560
So we're all going to like put
our tail between our legs and

497
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,760
shut up about it.
Move on.

498
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:53,480
That's what I foresee happening.
However, I have been surprised

499
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,600
before, so I don't know and I
don't have a crystal ball.

500
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:01,000
If I did, Jessica and I would be
like in a resort somewhere on an

501
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,200
island, having this conversation
with you because I would have

502
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,760
won the Lotto.
I'm going to get you a crystal

503
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,560
ball, but.
That is not the case.

504
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,840
So I don't know what's going to
happen, but I do believe that it

505
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,560
is a pissing contest that is not
going to actually materialize.

506
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,080
And we're going to all, like,
have like, freaked out for

507
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,840
nothing.
But inevitably, it is going to

508
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,640
affect our bottom line.
And unfortunately, the

509
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,360
consumer's always the one who
gets screwed because the big

510
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,240
guys are never going to lose a
dime, but we are certainly going

511
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,560
to lose a dime.
One thing I did want to talk

512
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,120
about is compounding pharmacies.
Don't forget that they exist.

513
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,520
Your veterinarian may not even
know about a compounding

514
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320
pharmacy.
Like I use the compounded form

515
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:46,240
of ivermectin for my skin.
Zulantra the the brand name is

516
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,520
like $250 like a little thing
for a month or something and my

517
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,560
insurance wouldn't cover it.
So my dermatologist initially

518
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,920
had me going to a compounding
pharmacy for my personal thing

519
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,800
in Dallas and now in El Paso.
It's been like 2 years, three

520
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,320
years maybe.
And now in El Paso, one of our

521
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,480
local pharmacies started
compounding.

522
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,480
So compounding is becoming way
more popular.

523
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,040
It is a great option when either
the brand name is too expensive

524
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,920
like there is no genetic genetic
generic of Zulantra.

525
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:26,160
So like my only option was
Zulantra or the compounded

526
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,800
version and it's just as
effective.

527
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:33,360
It just is like it was like $50
Now I get it $45 and it's

528
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,280
delivered to my house, which is
amazing.

529
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,680
So don't forget to look into
compounding.

530
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,680
What they do is basically they
make the medicine in house.

531
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,600
They've got the active
ingredient, they'll make the not

532
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,680
active ingredient mixes in
house.

533
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,680
And they'll it's usually for
like anything for cats,

534
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,360
especially like a lot of cats
get stuff compounded because

535
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,880
they can't take the pills.
So they'll make like an ear

536
00:32:55,880 --> 00:33:00,400
ointment or like some kind of
like, you know, hot out like

537
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,120
some kind of what do you say?
How do you say it?

538
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,480
Like some liquid, some liquid
version of the medication.

539
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,520
Yeah, yeah, we call it hot out
in Spanish.

540
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,360
If you're a Latino, you'll know
what I'm saying.

541
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,880
But yeah, so compounding
pharmacies might be a really

542
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,600
great option.
If you call your vet, if there's

543
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,600
an unavailability or if the
prices shoot up, ask your

544
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,480
veterinarian.
So when I went to see my

545
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,040
endocrinologist, she didn't even
know that this compounding

546
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,680
pharmacy here locally was now
compounding, you know what I

547
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,000
mean?
So like not all doctors are

548
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,760
aware.
Do your own research.

549
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,440
You know, I think our
veterinarians are having hard

550
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,880
enough time.
We've talked about this in the

551
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,280
past.
They're having a hard enough

552
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,760
time keeping their doors open
without being bought out by by,

553
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,760
you know, like corporations that
are getting into the veterinary

554
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,520
industry.
So like they may not know

555
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,720
exactly what's going on.
So do your own research if you

556
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,800
are in the in a situation where
you don't have the medicine that

557
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,600
your pet needs to live or to be
comfortable.

558
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,080
And then also remember that if
you are saving money every

559
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,040
month, like let's say that you
don't that you don't, you've

560
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,320
opted against pet insurance.
If you are saving money every

561
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,800
month, it might be smart to save
a little more until this is all

562
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,000
done.
Because like I said at the

563
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,000
beginning, everything that
veterinary offices use is going

564
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,360
to go up.
Like all of, I mean, I can't, I

565
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,360
can.
I'll just throw out a number.

566
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,480
I say with at least Jessica, you
tell me if I'm over or under.

567
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,600
At least 89% of everything
that's used in a veterinary

568
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,280
office probably comes from
China.

569
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,639
I would imagine.
Yeah.

570
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,639
So if that, if the tariffs
really do happen or if we

571
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,320
continue to do this pissing
contest long term, all of that

572
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,760
is going to cost them more.
So then it's going to cost us

573
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,880
more.
And then if you have pet

574
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,719
insurance, I would expect it to
go up.

575
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,280
Like I genuinely believe that
it's going to go up.

576
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,520
And the thing about these
moments and how about business

577
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,880
owner and like everything's gone
up for me as AI work business to

578
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,000
business B2 BI provide marketing
service, digital marketing

579
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,160
services to businesses.
And everything that I use my, my

580
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,520
Google suite has gone up.
My scheduling software, that

581
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,200
software that I use to schedule
posts for digital marketing has

582
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,040
gone up.
Domains have gone up in the past

583
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,720
couple months.
Everything has gone up because

584
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,680
everything is affected in some
way, shape or form by this.

585
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:31,000
So I am, I've no no doubt that
my pet insurance for Van Gogh's

586
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,440
going to go up.
I have no doubt that my food for

587
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,640
the other for the dogs just
going to go up.

588
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,720
I have no doubt that everything
all like everything is so

589
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,320
expensive right now.
We have 2 trips planned this

590
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,600
summer and I'm just like, OMG,
how are we going to you know

591
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,720
what I mean?
Like just the meals are going to

592
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,360
be so much more expensive than
we budgeted for.

593
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,400
And we have two big trips, so
you know, that were booked in

594
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,720
January before any of this
really.

595
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,480
So I, I know that we need to
like really be mindful of our

596
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,120
spending of our budgeting for
our pets so that they get the

597
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,080
care that they need.
But I also don't want people to

598
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,520
ignore the vet or not take the
pets to the vet because they're

599
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,320
scared.
There are programs out there.

600
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,360
I will say there's, you know,
the the vet only Facebook groups

601
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,560
are really great.
I think that they're such an

602
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,840
amazing resource.
If you have a pet with an acute

603
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,400
situation, you can go to
Facebook and they're literally,

604
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,640
I think they're called vet only,
veterinarian only, something

605
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,840
like that.
And it's basically a place where

606
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,840
you would put your pet symptoms,
a picture, if there's an acute

607
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,880
situation that you can
photograph and you ask like,

608
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,960
what should I do?
What do I need to do?

609
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,840
And I've seen in the case where
it's like an acute situation

610
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,480
that needs immediate attention,
where people are like, can

611
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,520
somebody find like, like a
financial resource for this

612
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,800
person?
So there are resources out there

613
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,440
if you find yourself, you know,
in a place where most of us have

614
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,680
found ourselves, where it's like
a huge veterinary bill and not

615
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,840
knowing how to pay for it.
Use your resources, but do not,

616
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,880
do not, not like avoid the vet
only because of a potential

617
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,680
price increase.
I mean, the price increase could

618
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,440
be $50.
You know, it may not be like

619
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,720
that big.
So I don't mean to scare people

620
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,320
away from the vet.
I just for those of you who are

621
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,440
planning and planners like I am,
you might need to just plan a

622
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,640
little bit, a little bit more
generously.

623
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,760
And I, you know, I had Jonathan
Weinberg on the podcast recently

624
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:46,880
who's the VP at care credit.
So that's right, a resource also

625
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,000
there.
Gosh, there's so, so many

626
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,320
things.
And one thing that I, I also, I

627
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,920
know this is probably like going
to throw people into overwhelm,

628
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:03,520
but just in the research I was
doing, I didn't think about it

629
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,480
and I was like, Oh yeah, like
rescues are really going to

630
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,640
rescues and shelters are going
to really be struggling as well.

631
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,120
So if you have.
Already struggling I mean.

632
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:16,200
This is happening at the worst
time.

633
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,840
So really quickly it's Pet Vet
Corner service Mark only

634
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,000
approved veterinarians.
That's what the name of the

635
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,200
group is that I'm in.
I'm sure there's other ones, but

636
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,960
Pet Vet Corner SM, but only
approve veterinarians comment.

637
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,360
So you we can all join, but the
only people and we can post, but

638
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,760
the only people who can give
advice and comment are

639
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,560
veterinarians and they have to
be approved in order to comment,

640
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,680
which is what makes it such a
valuable resource.

641
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,680
Yeah, so it is a really bad time
for this to happen for rescues

642
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,400
and shelters because at this
time of year they are always

643
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,960
overwhelmed with kitten and
puppy season.

644
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,800
And now we are at full capacity.
I just saw Nathan the cat lady

645
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,360
I'm talking to some haters about
he was he had posted about

646
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,120
finding a feral Mama and her
kittens and taking the kittens

647
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,600
from her and obviously returning
her TNR and her the mom and

648
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,960
somebody had been like, you know
how horrible it is that you like

649
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,640
play God or, you know, separate
these this family or whatever.

650
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,200
And it's like, if you have a
better solution, I mean, we're

651
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,400
all ears is basically what
Nathan said.

652
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,680
Like, are you helping?
Because there are so many, there

653
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,280
are so many more animals and
there are shelters, fosters,

654
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,160
rescues that can help.
And during kitten season, which

655
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,280
is basically now through fall,
because they like have like a

656
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,920
million pet million litters from
now until then.

657
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,400
It's really tough.
It's really tough.

658
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,280
And a lot of people surrender
pets before long trips.

659
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,760
We have a lot of owner
surrenders based on just

660
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,280
financials and economics.
And so it is just like this

661
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,520
really terrible time for rescues
and shelters.

662
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,600
So if you are blessed in any way
at this time and you do want to

663
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,840
support somebody, this is a
really good time to help your

664
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,720
neighbors in need, whether it's
a, you know, a rescue, a a, a

665
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,000
municipal shelter.
Anything that you're passionate

666
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,120
about helping, this is a really
good time to do it because yes,

667
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,680
people are going hungry, pets
are going hungry.

668
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,880
So whatever you know, speaks to
you, please be generous right

669
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,560
now if you have the ability to
do so.

670
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:33,200
Because again, it's just, it's,
it's a, it's a rough time.

671
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,200
A lot of, a lot of business
owners are scared.

672
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,440
A lot of workers are scared to
be laid off.

673
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:41,320
A lot of veterinarians can't,
you know, keep their doors open

674
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,960
without selling.
It's like, it's tough.

675
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,000
It's like all coming together.
So it's not just the tariffs.

676
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000
It's like it's already been a
rough time in the United States

677
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,320
and abroad.
I mean it in Spain they are, you

678
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:56,160
know, I was just in Spain for
for almost 3 weeks and like, you

679
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,480
know, they're so scared about
the economy and the collapse and

680
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:06,240
like, you know, politics and
world relations and diplomacy,

681
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,080
the kind of lacking right now.
And it's just a scary time.

682
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,520
So if you are blessed, then this
is a good time to pay it

683
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,960
forward.
Yeah, absolutely.

684
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:21,400
You know, as a, you know, you
talk about, of course you're a

685
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,360
small business owner.
I'm a small business owner.

686
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:30,040
I, I have, I mean, in the
process of having to shut down a

687
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:36,160
business for another reason.
And one of the things that I'm

688
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:41,080
actively doing is working out a
way to reopen this business

689
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:48,920
better, more aligned with what I
have learned in the past decade

690
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:55,440
and a half doing what I do.
And it's it's made me think a

691
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:01,160
lot about how quickly we forget
because we were in in this exact

692
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:08,600
same situation five years ago
for different reasons, somewhat

693
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,880
different reasons.
That's a whole other

694
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,920
conversation.
But that's a whole other

695
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,080
conversation.
But we were in this exact same

696
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,400
position five years ago where
nothing was coming, nothing was

697
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,840
being shipped, nothing was going
anywhere worldwide.

698
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,200
And I think, you know, we forget
so quickly.

699
00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:37,880
I, I, I'm sure some small
businesses pivoted and, and

700
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,520
maybe some of those pivots
lasted, maybe they didn't.

701
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,320
But I think this is another, I,
I'm going to choose to look at

702
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,800
this as another opportunity for
small businesses especially.

703
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,120
And granted, this may not be
across the board where people

704
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:58,680
can do these things, especially
if it's something really, really

705
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,960
super niche.
But what and and what I also

706
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:08,360
believe one of the kind of like
pillars of why this is happening

707
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:13,720
is to bring manufacturing back
into America, into the United

708
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,600
States.
And so I think for maybe not the

709
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:24,720
small, small small like micro
businesses, but the smaller mid

710
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:28,920
sized businesses especially,
where can you pivot?

711
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,160
Where can you say, OK, instead
of importing this, can we build

712
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,600
this, can manufacture?
Is there a company that is

713
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:43,080
already in manufacturing that
can add this to their portfolio

714
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:49,240
for you or can you somehow,
don't ask me, create

715
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,680
manufacturing jobs to get the
job done for what you need to

716
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,040
do?
And granted, will that end

717
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,800
product be a little bit more
expensive than what you sold six

718
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,320
months ago?
Maybe, but will it be as

719
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,320
expensive as what we're
expecting these tariffs to be?

720
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,040
Probably not.
So you know, I, I really would

721
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,560
like it does depend on the
product for sure.

722
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,720
And again, maybe not everybody
can do this, especially like

723
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,120
micro small businesses.
I get that, I get that.

724
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,680
But I think, you know, this is
especially for small business

725
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,640
owners, like people who are
small business owners are,

726
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,160
they're a rare breed, right?
Like you are problem solvers,

727
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,480
you are out here trying to solve
problems for other people all

728
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,280
day long.
That's what your products and

729
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,080
services are about.
And so you know, if you can

730
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,800
pivot a little bit to say, OK,
how do I solve this problem for

731
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:54,040
myself and maybe bring some sort
of manufacturing back into the

732
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,800
United States.
I think that's kind of one of

733
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:02,000
one of the ultimate goals of
what's happening now.

734
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,640
And I hope, I hope to see more
of that because again, when we

735
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,760
talk about supporting local
supporting American made like

736
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,280
this is this is what we're
looking for as consumers.

737
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:19,640
So that's my my little like
message of hope.

738
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:26,440
OK, I, I mean, I'm a little more
cynical on that because I grew

739
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,600
up in a developing country where
if you can't import it, you

740
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,520
still can't make it because you
don't have the skills, the

741
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,640
machinery, the this, the that.
So like, yes, there are cases

742
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,040
where you absolutely, especially
in the United States, it's not

743
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,200
Ecuador, right, Where I was born
in the United States, there is

744
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,240
money, there are investment,
there are there's capital,

745
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,320
right?
So like, yes, there absolutely

746
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,920
is a way to invest and create
something here.

747
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,880
But unfortunately, at the end of
the day, if it's too expensive,

748
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,240
it's like people aren't going to
buy it, then it's nobody's going

749
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:04,040
to do it.
And then it just kind of ends up

750
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,080
being like just the hope, even
though I do, I, I see it like I

751
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:13,280
see it, as we talked last week
about about Earth Day a little

752
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,560
bit and, you know, have it
relying on manufacturers that

753
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,440
are across the world is bad for
the environment.

754
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,840
So yes, like there would be a
lot of positive in bringing

755
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,760
manufacturing to the United
States.

756
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,320
I just, you know, it's one of
those things where it's like,

757
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,560
maybe I'm just cynical and jaded
and I'm like, I just don't like

758
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,640
I see the benefit of it.
I really do.

759
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,680
And I think it's a really good
intention.

760
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,960
I just don't know how realistic
it is.

761
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,400
So I mean, I just, I will say
that I would say that, you know,

762
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,320
one of the biggest things we can
do since we can't control

763
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,320
anything is just control our
consumerism.

764
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,840
And you know that we talked
about that over Earth Day.

765
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,120
We're going to talk about that
here.

766
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,680
We've talked about that a lot in
our conversations at the in the

767
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,920
weekly pet roundup that we do is
where, you know, is it really

768
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,440
something that I need?
Is it, you know, we're not,

769
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,600
we're not encouraging anybody to
hoard things.

770
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,600
You don't need 20 bottles of PET
shampoo right now.

771
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,600
You, you know, like you could
potentially stock up on three

772
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,320
bottles of CBD.
You'd be plenty fine with that.

773
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,200
If you'd like to buy in bulk, I
hear.

774
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,280
Yeah.
I'm tired of buying in bulk

775
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,960
actually, because I feel like I
have to store so many things

776
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,800
that I hate it.
So we're not encouraging you to,

777
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,160
like, go crazy.
We're not encouraging you to,

778
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,600
like, hoard things and leave
others without it.

779
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,080
We're just kind of making like
having the conversation so we

780
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,560
can think about where where our
priorities lie, where our

781
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,640
challenges may lie.
And maybe a reminder, if this

782
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,720
has been a reminder for me at
least, that maybe I don't need

783
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,480
all the things I thought I
needed.

784
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,080
And that maybe the world would
be a better place if we stopped

785
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,480
consuming so much where our
leaders would literally fight

786
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:03,760
over getting us stuff cheaper on
Teemu.

787
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:08,360
You know, that comes from like
factories where like the

788
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,760
conditions are horrible and like
children are being put to work,

789
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,600
you know what I mean?
So like, maybe it's a good wake

790
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,360
up call for us to be like, why
are we so dependent on things

791
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:23,920
and plastics and gross stuff?
And maybe we do need to return

792
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:30,120
to a lesser, I mean, like
opulent lifestyle.

793
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,720
Like we, I remember when I was
little and going to birthday

794
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:37,600
parties and just like having
thank you Tara Lee, I think

795
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,040
she's agreeing with me.
Tara Lee's on, on YouTube.

796
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,760
Thank you.
She says 100%.

797
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,640
But I remember going to birthday
parties when I was a kid and I

798
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,760
think I left with like a little
suite or something like that.

799
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,560
And now my kids leave with all
this like plastic junk and like

800
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,000
tons of candy.
And when you look at that bag,

801
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,480
you think of the money that the
family already spent on the

802
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:02,280
party and you think about the
amount of money they spent on

803
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,160
Amazon or the dollar store Timu
for all these things and how

804
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,920
they're all going to end up in a
landfill and how the candy is so

805
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,480
bad for the kids and how every
wrapper that the candy comes in

806
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,360
ends up in a landfill or like in
the oceans.

807
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,440
And we're and I just, I have to
be like, we need to stop this.

808
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,440
But then we just can't.
We got kind of get like roped

809
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:27,600
into this consumerism and these
moments are a really good wake

810
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,440
up call to be like, I don't need
it, we don't need it.

811
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,240
Does my pet really need it?
Like, yes, they need food and

812
00:49:33,240 --> 00:49:36,680
they need the best quality food
you can give them, but not at

813
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:41,640
the expense of your Peace of
Mind or your sanity or the roof

814
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,200
over your head.
So finding places where we can

815
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:50,320
cut back is a really great start
to, to mediating or, or just

816
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,600
kind of navigating this moment
in, in our history, which is not

817
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,280
going to be the first or the
last where we have, you know,

818
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,360
politicians playing politics and
costing us money in the process.

819
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,240
Absolutely.
I, I agree.

820
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:06,400
And I that's actually something
that I have.

821
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,920
I feel like I had started
working on it a little bit,

822
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,400
definitely in the last maybe
half of last year.

823
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,800
I really started going through
my house and like pairing things

824
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,680
down, donating everything I
could, you know, that was worth

825
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,120
donating that I knew I could
live without.

826
00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:27,960
I've stopped buying a lot of
things.

827
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:33,120
I still buy things, don't get me
wrong, but like I am much more

828
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,160
aware of what I'm purchasing and
I'm not just purchasing to

829
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,960
purchase like I used to.
And then with like recent events

830
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,200
in my life, I'm realizing how
much less I can actually live

831
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,440
with.
And it's, it's, it's a pretty

832
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,120
big like eye opener, even with
the things that like, I thought

833
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,880
it had pared down a lot of the
stuff I had bought for my pets.

834
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,480
And even still, I'm like, I have
all the stuff that I'm still not

835
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,240
using for my pets.
Granted, there are things that

836
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,760
you want to have on hand for
just in case, like absolutely,

837
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,920
you know, emergencies.
But it is, it's really

838
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,480
interesting once you start
really paring down the things

839
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,160
that that's in your house.
And again, you know, for me, I

840
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,000
would rather spend my money at
this point in my life.

841
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:27,200
I would rather spend my money on
really high quality food, really

842
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:31,160
high quality supplements that
are necessary and then

843
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,840
experiences rather than like
that cute vase at HomeGoods, you

844
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,360
know, or, or my 100th blanket
or, you know, you're not like

845
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,480
home.
Goods don't go there.

846
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,040
Sara Lee says buying less
actually feels very free.

847
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,960
Yes.
And one of the things that I've

848
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,480
done in 2025 is I stopped going
to home goods and like, just

849
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,800
like picking one thing up.
Like I'm not going in there

850
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,080
because I end up, and I'm, I
celebrate the moments where I,

851
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,080
let's say I actually had
purchased something for Van Gogh

852
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:06,680
the cat.
And it like started like it

853
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,480
literally.
It was like a really cute

854
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,720
scratcher that started like
disintegrating in the car on the

855
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:13,920
way home.
And I finally went and returned

856
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,960
it and thankfully they were very
good about returning.

857
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,280
It was like literally falling
apart.

858
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,600
Like like the little, the little
nails that held the the Wicker

859
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,400
together were like coming off it
was bad.

860
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,200
And I literally returned it and
walked out.

861
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,920
And what I did was celebrate the
fact that I returned it and

862
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,720
walked out.
And I was like, this is all and,

863
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,600
and it's hard when you are, when
you have little kids and it's

864
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,480
hard when you have, you know,
pets that maybe like are puppies

865
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,600
and you really, you know,
they're, they're anxious and

866
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,000
they're excitable and you want
to buy them things to keep them

867
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,360
or, you know, entertained or a
cat that is scratching.

868
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,440
And everybody says in Richmond
and Richmond, Richmond.

869
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:53,960
So you go and you buy a million
things.

870
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,880
If it doesn't work out, anything
that's washable can actually be

871
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,520
donated to your rescues and
shelters too.

872
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,960
So remember, keep that in mind.
You now that we have Instagram,

873
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,880
we can slide into each other's
DMS, just slide into your, you

874
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,600
know, local shelters DM and be
like, what do you need?

875
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,320
And maybe what you need is
something you can, what they

876
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,760
need is something you can easily
live without.

877
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,640
And I know that some of us have
a hard time saying goodbye to

878
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,640
items that belong to our pets.
But right now would be a good

879
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:29,720
time to, you know, maybe find an
old caller that maybe, you know,

880
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:32,280
you were hanging on to for
sentimental value that still has

881
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,920
a life left.
And this is a good time to

882
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,720
donate it, pass it on, pay it
forward, just so they don't have

883
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:41,880
to invest in these things.
I know that the the less money

884
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:47,600
the huge corporations make, the
less charity they're going to do

885
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,200
because let's be honest, they're
doing charity because they want

886
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,720
to pay fewer taxes.
So the amount of money, the

887
00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:58,280
amount of money they donate is
based on the amount of money

888
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,080
they bring in.
So if they're bringing in less,

889
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,040
they're going to donate less.
That's just the way it works.

890
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,040
So there are there are reasons
to like, you know, be generous.

891
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,440
Even if it doesn't, it means not
spending any of your own money,

892
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:10,280
just donating what you already
have.

893
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,680
So we hope that this was
helpful.

894
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:16,920
I mean, if you have any
questions, comments, please let

895
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,320
us know.
And I mean, let's hope that it

896
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,200
that let's hope that something
good comes out of this.

897
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,240
Let's hope that this was just a
conversation that that doesn't

898
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:27,840
even, you know, that like we're
laughing about like the scare of

899
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,320
the terrorists that never
happened.

900
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,240
I mean, it it definitely has
gone from like the whole world

901
00:54:33,240 --> 00:54:35,840
to China.
So yeah, we're already doing

902
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,360
better than we were a month ago.
Oh for sure, absolutely.

903
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,200
And I know like, I think, I
think people again, they're

904
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,920
feeling it with these like pre
emptive price increases.

905
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:52,000
They're feeling it because the
stock market is 100% emotional

906
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:56,480
and 0% rational.
I mean, that's just the reality

907
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,800
of of the world we live in.
And so people are feeling it

908
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:04,480
because of expectations at this
point.

909
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,960
And I think putting that in
perspective can be helpful

910
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,240
because it all is expectation at
this point.

911
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,640
And again, for me, like this is
just like the season of my life

912
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,880
that I'm in right now where I'm
like, what good can I find in

913
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,960
this?
And so like trying to be hopeful

914
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,680
about bringing manufacturing
back to America, Like I would

915
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:36,080
just love that so much for me.
Like I don't OK, it would be

916
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:41,400
wonderful for our economy.
Like the fact that we have, I

917
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,720
don't even know what the
percentage of jobs in the United

918
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:46,840
States or government jobs is
freaking laughable.

919
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:52,560
So moving those jobs back into,
you know, the private sector

920
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,840
and, and small businesses and
medium sized businesses.

921
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,440
I really think like, OK, there
are going to be growing pains,

922
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,320
but just because there are
growing pains doesn't mean that

923
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,320
we shouldn't do it.
And I, I just, if our hand has

924
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,400
to be forced to do it, then our
hand has to be forced to do it.

925
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,400
And I think in the long term, if
we do this right as a country,

926
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,920
not me and you, Isabel, but if
we do this right as a country,

927
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,240
we'll be so much better off in
the long run.

928
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,640
Yeah, I think, I think, I think
we can all take something

929
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,280
positive from this.
I really do.

930
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,880
I think we can all take a little
inventory of how we how our

931
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,240
lifestyles are kind of almost
playing into this, this trade

932
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:41,440
war and how we can better
control our behavior so that

933
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:46,480
whatever they do at the top
doesn't affect us so, so

934
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,240
immediately and so drastically.
Thank you, Tara for being here.

935
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,120
She's a great conversation.
Ladies, thank you.

936
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:53,840
Thank you so much for being
here.

937
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,560
Thank you all for being here.
If you have any comments,

938
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,120
concerns, any corrections for
us, any thoughts that you want

939
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,880
to share on politics or
otherwise, you're welcome to do

940
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,920
so in comments.
We may not play, we're not going

941
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,360
to play like like mom and, and
and mediate the conversation,

942
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,240
but you guys can go off if you
want to in comments.

943
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,800
That's fine.
But we we got through it

944
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,960
without, you know, without
giving too much away, let's just

945
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,280
pray for everybody in the world,
especially our military men and

946
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,000
women who are probably the ones
who have to deal with all the

947
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:31,840
repercussions of all the
behaviors.

948
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,440
So let's just focus on what we
can control, which is our

949
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,640
spending.
Absolutely.

950
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,440
That goes out to my husband,
who's a spender, and my kids,

951
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,120
who are spenders, and me, who is
a spender, and that's more for

952
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,640
me than it is for anybody who's
looking.

953
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:53,320
And I think after this,
Isabella's gonna pimp Chris out

954
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:58,640
for home improvements around the
neighborhood to bank some money

955
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:03,520
for your vacation this year.
Chris already donates plasma.

956
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,920
Chris donate plasma.
Yeah, he likes to do it.

957
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,880
He's a big guy so he gets to do
a lot and there's such a

958
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,080
shortage of plasma that he loves
to do that.

959
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,120
So it's something it's like he
likes it cuz he gets to do

960
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:17,800
something that doesn't really
affect him anyway.

961
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,640
I can't really donate plasma.
I'm too little and it gets, I

962
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,080
got no money and then it like
really affects me and I get

963
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,880
dizzy and stuff.
So he's like this big guy who

964
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,120
can and so that's, that's his
contribution.

965
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,200
And like I said, whatever we
make, they give you like a card

966
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,480
when you donate plasma, which is
like a debit.

967
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,400
And like, I've already used it
for like plants.

968
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,280
I used it for plants for our
front yard.

969
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,880
So good stuff.
Yeah, stuff that's good for

970
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,280
that, good for the world.
Yeah, awesome.

971
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,200
All right, guys, I think, I
think we're going to end this

972
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,240
right at an hour for maybe the
first time in the history of the

973
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,480
weekly pet roundup.
And if you guys have any

974
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,720
recommendations for next week,
let us know.

975
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,720
Otherwise, we will find
something to talk about.

976
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,120
Yeah.
All right, guys, have a fabulous

977
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,280
rest of your week and I'll talk
to you next Tuesday.

978
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:12,800
Bye.