The PURR Act | Weekly Pet Roundup

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Well, hello Instagram, hopefully
we let's see if I can invite

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you.
OK, How's everyone doing today?

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Happy Monday.
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Hello Facebook and YouTube.
Hi.

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Hi.
Welcome to the weekly pet

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roundup.
I know it's Monday, which is it

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can go a lot of different ways.
I'm falling asleep on this

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Monday.
Is everybody else feeling a

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little sleepy or is it just me?
Like, I had my coffee.

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I only have like one a day.
And I don't like to, like, over

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caffeinate because then I feel
jittery.

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But I feel like, yeah, I feel
just sleepy.

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I feel like I could have just
taken a nap today.

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But there is time for that.
Yeah.

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Links the cat.
Same.

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I hope you get some rest
tonight.

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Links the cat, 23.
I know I'm going to go to bed

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early.
I'm going to call it early

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tonight.
Good.

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For you, I wish I could.
So I wish I could ever do that

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this week.
I've actually been wanting to

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talk about this for like months.
So I was like really excited

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last week when you're like,
let's talk about the per act and

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I'm like, oh, you want to talk
about that?

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OK, cool.
It's actually a really, really

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big deal.
And I just think there's so much

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noise right now that people
aren't hearing about it.

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People aren't seeing about it.
It's certainly not in the media.

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And so I'm curious as to where
you first saw or where you heard

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about it from.
The first thing I heard about it

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from was from one of the mailing
like emails from the true crazy

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cat ladies.
That's where I first found out

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about it last week.
I hadn't heard anything about

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it.
Yeah, so basically what's

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happening and I want to let
everybody know because I'm

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trying to I'm trying to do
better if a social media thing.

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If you comment per PURR my my AI
chat bot should message you

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details with a link to learn
more about the per act as well.

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But we're going to talk talk
about it a little bit to kind of

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get you prepped for what you're
going to see when you go to this

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link.
So basically, and I, you know,

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we have talked about pet food
regulation in the past, but like

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a broad overview is that, and,
and even people in the pet

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industry, like I was literally
just talking to somebody who

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manufacturers pet food the other
day and it's like people just

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slip all the time and say that
AFCO regulates pet food.

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That's not true.
AFCO was set up as like an

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independent contractor, I guess
is like the best way to describe

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how this relationship works
between AFCO and the FDA.

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And so basically the FDA set up
an MOU or Memorandum of

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Understanding 100 years ago,
more than 100 years ago with

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AFCO and said, you tell us what
things with what definite with

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the definitions of different
things are label requirements,

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all of that.
Like what do, what do pet Food

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Standards actually need to be?
So AFCO went to the NRC and said

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we're going to basically adopt
NRC standards, which are are

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widely used in other countries.
And then for the past 100 or so

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years, they have been tasked
with all of this, providing this

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information to the FDA, to all
50 individual states.

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And then the states get to say,
yes, we're going to adopt that

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or no, we are not going to adopt
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And over the past 100 years or
so, the goal in the FDA's eyes

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was for AFCO to kind of bring
all of this together and get all

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50 states on board so that
everything was uniform across

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the US and every state.
So a bag that you buy in New

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York is the same as the a bag
you buy in California or

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whatever, you know, for, for
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And they have not been able to
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There are states still that are
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adopt that.
So at this point the FDA is

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like, thank you so much for all
of the hard work you have done.

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We still want to work with you.
We want to, we want to work with

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you in some way, shape or form.
Don't exactly know what that's

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going to be yet.
But the proposal right now is to

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end that memorandum of
understanding.

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And the FDA is going to take all
of that information, all of the

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pet food regulation and say the
center of veterinary medicine.

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You're going to have 100%
control over this.

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And we want to make it uniform
across all 50 states, period,

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end of sentence.
On the surface, that sounds

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really amazing.
However, if you actually read

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through the PER Act, which I did
after I went to the AFCO meeting

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in August, it is so vague.
It is so vague that it doesn't

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even say where they're going to
get the funding to do all of

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these things.
So when you look at like how

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they're doing things now, state
agricultural, each state has

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their own like agricultural
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They have a lot of
responsibility with regulating

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pet food in their states.
I should say pet feed, because

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that's really mostly what we're
talking about, though food falls

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under that because of how
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So they're not even saying how
they're going to fund doing all

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of this.
And it's a huge responsibility

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placed back on the FDA.
What's going to happen to all of

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these people that work in every
state to make sure that, that,

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that have been working with AF
Co for the past, I don't know

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how many, you know, 100 years,
obviously different people, but

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in the same position.
And some of the things that are

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of the of biggest concern is
that there are, there are some

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positives for pet food
manufacturers because right now

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a pet food manufacturer has to
literally get their pet food

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approved in all 50 states
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They have to submit to every
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It has to meet those guidelines.
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manufacturers, they're trying to
get it all in one label, in one

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product.
And it's, it's mostly having to

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do with like label guidelines.
And So what what works for a

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label in one state may be
exactly the opposite of what

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works for a label in another
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So for small pet food
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positives in that it's going to
be uniform.

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All 50 states are going to do
the same thing.

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However, it's just so much.
That's a huge hassle off of pet

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food manufacturers.
But I think it's going to bring

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a lot of additional hassle.
And the biggest concern is with

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the consumer.
So the there's going to be so

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much less transparency for the
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In fact, and I'm kind of pulling
up what Susan Thixon says,

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because I was telling you before
we started, I feel like she's

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one of the best people that kind
of takes this government mumbo

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jumbo jargon and kind of breaks
it down to where like the

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average pet, pet food consumer
can actually understand what's

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going on.
And she's saying that, OK, the

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per act is going to allow pet
food manufacturers to list

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ingredients on the label that
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allowing ingredients to
sometimes be present and

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sometimes not be present.
They're also going to allow

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quality claims to be made on pet
food labels that are not

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validated, such as human grade
or like this is for urinary

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tract health for your pet.
So they're going to be able to

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get a like big pet.
I think small manufacturers

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probably won't like companies
that you and I know and trust

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are not going to be partaking in
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marketing.
But big pet food for sure, like

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this is a giant, like, take all
the chains off, let let big pet

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food kind of do whatever the
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how I see it.
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detrimental.
Like we're already at a point

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with, you know, being a pet
health coach and working with

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clients one-on-one.
I see so many dogs and cats that

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are, for a lack, lack of a
better term, pet food injured,

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and it's going to make it that
much harder for pet parents to

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actually know what they're
buying and putting into their

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pets bowls.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Well, I kind.
Of took over.

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Sorry.
No, you're fine.

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You're fine.
So I'll just read the so did.

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Did you read from her?
The PER Act establishes the FDA

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Center for Veterinary Medicine
as the sole regulatory authority

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over pet food for dogs and cats.
What do you, Jessica, know about

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the FDA Center for Veterinary
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I know that the Center for
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tradition, very, how do I want
to say this Western, like

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they're, they have a Western
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So they're not interested in
holistic modalities.

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They are very anti raw food.
So I, I, I really am concerned

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for the future of commercial raw
food because of the, you know,

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if, if this does and it looks
like it is going to pass, they

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are.
So we we were talking before we

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started recording pet food PFI
pet food industry.com Yeah, my

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brain was blinking on on the
eye.

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Also, they so PFI is an
organization where a lot of the

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big pet food manufacturers sit
on the board.

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So Purina Hills Royal Cane like
they sit on the board and make

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decisions basically for PFI and
they are very, very intertwined

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for the Center for veterinary
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So it makes sense that
everything in the per act really

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is designed to make things
easier for big pet food to make

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to kind of loosen regulation,
kind of let them do what they

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want to do, let them label how
they want to label, let them put

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food in or not put food in.
And if that ingredient didn't

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make it into this batch, Oh
well, you know, the stable

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requirements are so much looser
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So it's definitely going to be
beneficial for big pet food,

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which means it is not beneficial
for consumers in my opinion.

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I urge people to please go read
the per act.

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It is available on Congress.
The Congress, yeah.

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So this is.
The way I will, I will read it.

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For those who are listening,
I'll read it.

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It's as.
This is the summary that

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congress.gov gives.
This bill establishes the Food

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and Drug Administration's Center
for Veterinary Medicine, CVM, as

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the sole regulatory authority
over pet food for dogs and cats.

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Take a quick break here.
There has until this moment

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never been a through Regulatory
agency, correct?

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So technically the FDA has and
always has been the Regulatory

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agency.
They've just.

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They're moving it from the FDA
to this part of the FDA.

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Correct.
Yeah, yes.

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Perfect.
OK.

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It also provides certain
flexibilities for pet food

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manufacturers with respect to
the types of ingredients they

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may use and the associated
labeling and marketing

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requirements.
This is not from Susan to Susan

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Fixon.
This is from congress.gov.

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It provides certain
flexibilities.

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That does not give me the warm
and fuzzies at all.

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It continues, the bill specifies
that no state or local

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government may establish,
implement, or enforce any

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authority or requirement related
to pet food marketing or

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labeling, and instead provides
for oversight solely by the CVM.

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Additionally, the bill provides
a presumption that pet food

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ingredients are generally
recognized as safe.

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There is a an acronym for that
GRAS generally recognized as

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safe if they are recognized as
acceptable per the Association

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of American Feed Control
Officials, and the CVM does not

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find otherwise.
Manufacturers may voluntarily

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notify the CVM of ingredients
that are considered generally

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recognized as safe, but that
have not yet been specifically

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recognized as such.
Somebody please make that make

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sense to me.
I'm going to read that again.

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I'm going to read that again.
Manufacturers may voluntarily

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notify the CVM of ingredients
that are generally recognized as

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safe but that have not yet been
specifically recognized as such.

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That they used recognized twice
to basically cancel each other

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out.
Again, it's giving a huge amount

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of leeway to big pet food,
basically like right now, if we

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think about if we take our pet
food brains.

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Off.
And we put our human living in

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America brains on and we think
about the FDA and we think about

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what we know to be true for
drugs or pharmaceuticals, right?

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Because that's the FDA Food and
Drug, right?

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Why they're in the same branch,
I don't know.

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Well, I think we do know.
But anyway, a pharmaceutical

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manufacturer can run their own
studies, pick and choose the

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data, pick and choose the
studies and say, here you go

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FDA, this is, this is safe.
Let us put our product through.

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We just paid off all these
people, blah, blah, blah, put

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our put our pharmaceutical
through and it goes through in

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our food system here in the
United States.

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It is a it's an innocent until
proven guilty let right system

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with the FDA.
So food manufacturers can put

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all kinds of chemicals and
toxins in our food and they do.

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And there are hundreds that are
banned in other countries

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because they are known to be
carcinogens.

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They are known to be toxic.
But our our food manufacturers

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still put them in our foods
because no one has taken the

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money or the time to prove to
the FDA that they are not safe.

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So basically they're going to,
they apply the same system to

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pet food.
Here you go, put it in there.

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Pet food manufacturers saying,
look, this is I promise you,

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this is generally recognized as
safe.

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We're going to use it and there
you go.

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Ingredients that are considered
generally safe, generally

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recognized as safe, but have not
yet been specifically recognized

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as safe.
That's literally what the

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sentence says.
The last thing is the bill also

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allows manufacturers to state
without prior approval that

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their products one sometimes,
but not always have certain

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ingredients.
Like you said though, dispatch

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doesn't have this.
The example they give us

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flavors.
So you're buying like a bacon

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flavored kibble, but it may or
may not taste like bacon.

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I mean, are you really going to
verify that No2 have certain

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health benefits?
Example they give is tartar

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control.
The other what Susan Fixon was

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actually talking more about like
urinary tract health, etcetera,

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etcetera.
And then the last one is, are

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human grade or natural?
If certain conditions are met,

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they can write that it's human
grade, even though it's not,

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because nobody's really
verifying that.

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Yeah.
Is that am I understanding that

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properly?
Absolutely, Absolutely.

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We all know, I think everybody
who like follows us and knows us

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knows that the word natural
means absolutely nothing.

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So like as a consumer, you just
look the other way.

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But human grade should mean
something.

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Yeah.
Because the the agriculture, the

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Department of Agriculture has
established, right.

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Like these.
Yes.

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Criteria so that for me as a
consumer is a huge problem

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because I understand what human
grade means and now that

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definition that I've had forever
does not apply anymore.

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Like we just got rid of it.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Well, and the Center for
Veterinary Medicine, in my

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opinion, I, I don't think in our
world at least doesn't have a

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whole lot of trust, like we
don't have a whole lot of trust

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in them to begin with.
From everything we talked about

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earlier this year, the literal
over fat over 1000, well over

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1000 that we know of reports of
pets being sick and very, very

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sick and many that died.
And basically the FDA coming out

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and saying sorry, we can't, we
can't prove that that, you know,

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these pet parents are actually
coming out with with media

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stories saying pet parents are
maybe not telling the truth.

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You know, like meanwhile, one
dot and granted every single

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every single instance that an
animal is injured matters, but

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in comparison, one dog gets sick
off of a raw food and they

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freaking every media outlet all
at the same time.

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Don't feed this food, don't feed
raw.

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You know what I mean?
Like it's it's very, very

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biased, very, very obviously
biased.

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And so there's not a whole lot
of consumer trust in them to

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begin with.
I think generally speaking out

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even out like.
Outside of pet food, there's not

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a whole lot of consumer trust in
the FDA.

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No, no.
Anybody who's gosh, anybody

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who's has any understanding of
the F the way the FDA works.

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And honestly, like, I don't
trust any.

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I don't trust our government
just because lobbying is

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allowed, right?
Like that's really what it comes

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down to to me.
It's like if there's money

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involved, you know, money talks
and SHIT walks always.

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That is the case for every
government agency, I believe,

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not just the FDA.
The FDA unfortunately affects us

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more, right?
Like.

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When the FDA.
When like big chem, for example,

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like big chemical is like
getting stuff through that is in

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our clothing, that is in our
laundry detergent, that's in the

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thing that we clean up our
babies messes with, then it like

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it's affecting us like right
then and like right immediately,

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right.
So food, drug and all the

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agriculture, all of those, they
affect our every single day

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life.
And as a consumer, they also

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affect our finances, right?
Because here we are buying

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something that says human grade,
urinary tract health, tartar

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control, thinking that we are
doing the best for our pets, but

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we're paying more for something
that is not necessarily better

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or is not going to have the
results that we're hoping for.

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So what?
How as consumers before, it was

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already hard to navigate.
When people ask me, and I get

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asked this a lot, like what's
the best food?

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I'm not doing raw, I'm not
homemade.

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Like I didn't have an answer.
And I've been doing this for

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almost 20 years, and I'm like, I
don't know what to tell you

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because I can't recommend
anything.

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There's no transparency.
You really don't know, Like

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kibbles, just like the
equivalent of Doritos.

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At the end of the day, it's just
like we're feeding our pets

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Doritos every twice a day for
their whole lives.

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And now I feel like it's going
to be even less clear, right?

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Like if we were already unclear,
if we were already a hodgepodge

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of nonsense in the pet food
industry, now we are giving

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carte blanche.
Two pet food manufacturers and

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the only ones who get screwed
are the consumers and our pets.

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Yes.
And I think one of the bigger

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concerns for me specifically,
and I think, you know, Susan

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Thixton for one, probably
probably sees it this way as

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well, is that by removing AFCO,
which is not great, is not a

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great system in admittedly it's
not wonderful, don't love it.

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But by removing AFCO, we're also
removing the ability of

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consumers to have a word to show
up at a meeting and say I'm not

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to get in front of these people
and say I'm not OK with this.

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And I have this, you know,
whatever.

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I have this petition with 10,000
signatures telling you like,

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they're not OK with it, You
know, to have that ability to

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get in front of people who are
creating the guidelines for pet

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food like, well.
Yeah.

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Now we have had that for our
representatives, yes.

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And we all know how that how,
how easy and how effective that

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tends to be.
Yeah.

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That's really who's going to be
in charge now.

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Yes, and going back to like not
trusting, I actually just saw

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this today and it made me think
when you were talking about the

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FDA and and how it affects our
everyday lives.

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You know, they, they said, they
told Roundup, they told Monsanto

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who makes Roundup and they said
or bear who makes Roundup.

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And they said, OK, you can't put
glyphosate in Roundup anymore,

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right?
Like that was such a huge win we

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thought.
And now today we know that the

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new Roundup, somehow they have
managed to find a combination of

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four chemicals that they're
saying is 45%, I'm sorry, 45

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times more toxic than
glyphosate.

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Yeah, it's the same thing as BPA
free, right?

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BPA free.
But now they have BS as or

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whatever, BPA, s s or whatever
that are just as bad, if not

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worse.
So yeah, they get around all

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these things and I don't feel
like.

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So AFCO is, whether you like
them or not, specialized, right?

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They're they're aware, right?
ARP representatives cannot be

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expected to understand the
insurance and outs of everything

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that we throw to the federal
government like it can't pass,

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it can't be.
Done.

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Yeah, no.
So I and.

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So Susan Thixon gives us, you
know, send send an e-mail.

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She sends that she if you go to
her website,

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truthaboutpetfood.com and just
use the little search feature to

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find the per act.
And again, the per act is just

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just because it's.
Comment comment per and I'll

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send you that link.
OK, so the per ACT, even though

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it sounds like cats, it's for
dogs and cats specifically, but

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that is actually just the
acronym.

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But she has a sample letter, She
has the list of your House of

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Representatives.
She has a list of the House

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Committee on Energy and
Commerce.

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Yeah, the list she has are the
representatives who are members

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of the subcommittee who are, who
write the ACT together.

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But then she she says to she has
a link that you can find your

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representatives so that you can
get them involved.

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But again, like how how many of
them are really going to put

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this at the top of their list?
Yeah, how many of them have the

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ability to understand the
implications of this?

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Because, you know, they're just
they're they're not experts in

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the pet industry.
Like they're they're, you know,

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they they may have may come from
backgrounds where they're

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experts in aviation, right?
Like you never, you never know

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what your representative comes
from.

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But like, I guarantee you,
they're not experts.

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They're not Susan fixing.
So they don't.

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They're not implications.
Well, and I think the point is

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that if a a representative
receives enough feedback on the

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same issue they're going to, the
idea is that they would have to

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pay attention, right?
They don't.

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So when I emailed my
representative specifically, I

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said, look, you know, I kind of
copied Susan's example and then

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I customized it and I said, you
know, could for me being in

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Texas, I said there are two, two
other Texas representatives who

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are on this subcommittee and
this is not OK by me as a, you

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know, I mean, someone like
customize it and let them know

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that like this isn't just a copy
and paste, like you were

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actually paying attention that
you are actually, Yeah.

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Well, right now the per ACT has
simply been introduced.

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It next next would have to go to
the House.

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That's why she's saying get get
in touch with your house, your

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your congressman or woman
congressperson and then it'll go

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to the Senate.
So then you're going to have to

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we're going to have to involve
the senators.

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Yeah.
And then it goes to the

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president and then it becomes a
law.

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So like if there's a process
that it has to go through, but

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the further it gets, I feel like
the less chances of it being

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even just like redefined, right?
Like if people don't say

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anything, it'll go because
nobody will stand between.

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It in my opinion, it's not
ready, right?

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Like I'm not 100% against it
because obviously we're not big

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fans of AFCO either, but it's
not already the the way it is

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written currently.
It needs a lot of work if they

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were to pass this.
I mean, it's just basically

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giving big pet food kind of
carte blanche to do whatever the

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heck they want in my opinion.
And again, it, it specifies

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nothing about where the funding
is coming from about, you know,

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what's going to like, how do
state agriculture agencies play

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a role?
Or do they not anymore?

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Like they're, there's a, there's
a lot missing.

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It's not like we're going to get
it, we're going to do this or

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we're not going to do this.
It's literally missing a lot.

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And if you're not in the
industry, you wouldn't

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necessarily know that by reading
the ACT, which is why, like, I

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personally rely on people like
Susan Fixton.

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And I've fortunately for me, I
happen to have direct access to

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Doctor Kathy Alanovi, who has
been, she has, you know, a pet

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food trade association and sits
on AFCO boards and does all the

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things.
So like, there's a lot

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surrounding this that most
people don't understand or, you

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know, wouldn't wouldn't know
just from reading the ACT

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itself.
Though I do think they should

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read the app.
So the there's an attorney's

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office, cove.com Covington is
the name and they describe it in

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great detail.
And one of the things they say

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is the per act would require FDA
to issue guidance within 18

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months based on the AFCO
guidance in the 2024 AFCO

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official publication regarding
substantiating nutritional

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adequacy claims, metabolizable
energy protocols, affidavits for

454
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,720
fed pet food testing protocols,
data to support a calorie

455
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,640
content claim analytics Bah Bah
Bah Bah Bah Bah Bah.

456
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:49,640
But that's within 18 months and
there's no oversight on that,

457
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,400
right?
So like this gets passed and

458
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,760
then the FDA gets to call those
shots, Am I wrong?

459
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,840
Correct.
And I think specifically what

460
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,320
they're talking about there is
that they did, AFCO did

461
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,400
recommend and I think they were
giving pet food manufacturers a

462
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,720
number of years.
I don't remember it was two or

463
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,480
five years to change the labels
to.

464
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,800
So right now it lists protein,
fat, moisture.

465
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,080
They want they're they are going
to be required to list

466
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,800
carbohydrates moving forward.
And they were giving pet food

467
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,280
manufacturers like a number of
years.

468
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,320
And so this is going to say
Nope, it's got to be done in 18

469
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,560
months.
So I think that's kind of.

470
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,640
Where?
And then there's the FDA must

471
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,080
issue proposed regulations after
that within one year of

472
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,960
enactment.
So it's 18 months to get the

473
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:48,280
guidance and a year to of an
enactment and final regulations

474
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,200
within two years.
The initial regulations must

475
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,800
include the AFCO model pet food
rules.

476
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,240
But that's just the initial
regulation, right?

477
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,560
Like at the end of the day, does
it have to stay?

478
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:04,960
So, well, that's kind of one of
the questions that I had when I

479
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:11,360
originally read it.
So I'll just read you one of the

480
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,400
things that I I emailed to
Doctor Kathy.

481
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,320
I said it's also interesting how
the ACT refers to replacing the

482
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,840
patchwork of regulation while
simultaneously implementing the

483
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,960
AFCO 2024 publication.
So they're saying this is

484
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,320
horrible and it's patchwork, but
this is exactly what we're

485
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,440
implementing.
Yeah.

486
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,280
And so I wonder if they plan to
overhaul it.

487
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,200
Obviously that would take a
whole lot of time.

488
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,200
And in my opinion, anything that
we have seen in the past with

489
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,640
regulation is that they don't
ever fix anything.

490
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,440
They just add more regulation to
it.

491
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,680
So I think it would be overly
optimistic to think that they do

492
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,640
anything more than add to the
existing quote patchwork.

493
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,520
It does mean an overhaul.
And so in that regard, I'm like,

494
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:01,920
OK, cool, something shiny and
new.

495
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,400
Maybe they're going to fix it
all.

496
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,640
But the reality is, if history
has told us anything, the FDA

497
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,600
doesn't fix anything.
So.

498
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,520
AFCO came out in February when
this was first proposed and said

499
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,320
that AFCO was not consulted or
invited to be involved in the

500
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,880
drafting.
But AFCO told Pet Food Industry

501
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,560
News that it has given the draft
of the bill shortly before the

502
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,240
IT was given the bill before it
was introduced.

503
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,200
The executive director of AFCO
says as a result of Afco's

504
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,040
limited input, we do have many
concerns related to the proposed

505
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,520
legislation at this time, which
was February when this was

506
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,040
published.
AFCO is collaborating with

507
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,280
numerous trade organizations
with insight into the FEED

508
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,320
industry to review our concerns
and determine the next best

509
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,960
steps.
Yeah.

510
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:54,320
And I think what they have said
since then, because the FDA did

511
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,720
have somebody attend the AFCO
meeting in August that I was at

512
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,280
and he spoke the FDA
representative and said that

513
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,120
they are committed to continuing
their partnership with AFCO.

514
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,520
They basically just don't know
how yet.

515
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,760
And since then, they, there has
been some talks of like, so the

516
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,000
Center for Veterinary Medicine,
who is proposed to take over all

517
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:30,400
of the pet food regulation.
I want to say it's Kansas State,

518
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,639
the the veterinary Kansas State
University's veterinary

519
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,600
department that they're going to
be working with to do that.

520
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,000
And I think the idea being
floated is that ATCO can work

521
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:51,120
with Kansas State to work with
Center for Veterinary Medicine.

522
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,440
So it's, it's still very like
disjointed.

523
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:01,880
Yeah, but bottom line, it's like
everywhere I turn and every

524
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,560
little nook and cranny is like
it's going to be very

525
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:11,000
detrimental to consumers. 1
where the in every facet as far

526
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,080
as I can tell.
Yeah, Yeah.

527
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,080
There hasn't been any statements
from AFCO on this that I can see

528
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,320
on their from their Executive
Director, Austin Thorell.

529
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,760
I've been looking and like there
was nothing.

530
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,400
The only things that I see are
from like March and April.

531
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,040
So I don't know are they like
working under, you know what I

532
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,520
mean?
Like are they working on it?

533
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,880
Are they saying nothing yet?
Do you?

534
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,520
Have so OK, yeah, no, I haven't.
I have an e-mail from AFCO that

535
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,960
was sent October 1st and it does
it was it is Kansas State.

536
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,960
It says AFCO is considering a
proposal from Kansas State

537
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,160
University to establish new
regulatory pathways for animal

538
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,720
food ingredients.
So that, and I think that's the

539
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:59,200
last I've heard from AFCO about
it.

540
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,960
So it's considering a proposal
from Kansas State University to

541
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,880
provide the scientific review
for its new animal food

542
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,400
ingredients submission pathway,
of course, but that's just for

543
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,720
food and that's just for
ingredients, right?

544
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,040
So there's a lot of other things
that AFCO marketing it's.

545
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,400
Yeah.
Yeah.

546
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,680
So question, AFCO obviously is
not in a position where this is

547
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,520
good for them because they
probably got paid for being part

548
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,840
of this, right?
So like up on the other side of

549
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,880
the coin, AFO is going to be
like, no, I don't want this just

550
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,440
because like now I lose my third
party status in this.

551
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,360
Whole.
Scenario.

552
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:46,520
So they're not like, you know, I
like to I like to think of it as

553
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,120
like the most reliable witness,
you know, and there's no

554
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,360
reliable witness here because
Afco's not going to be like the

555
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:57,680
Super most reliable, the pet
food industry not the most

556
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,240
reliable.
The only person that really

557
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:03,120
makes no money off of this has
nothing to lose or gain is Susan

558
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,760
Thixon.
Am I right in this whole thing?

559
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,600
Yeah, because even any trade
associations, they they have,

560
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,880
right, they have interest.
Yeah.

561
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,520
So yeah, Susan doesn't doesn't
have.

562
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,720
An interest Hi, Brooke.
Hi, Brooke on Facebook.

563
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,080
How are you?
Today's topic is like it's kind

564
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,880
of boring, but also like
concerning, you know, it's it's

565
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,960
like, oh, nobody wants.
It's not at all boring to me,

566
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,840
but I understand.
Well, no, I mean like like

567
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,400
there's.
Yeah, to the average person it

568
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:39,720
would be very boring.
I get that.

569
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,840
I feel like it's boring because
there's not a lot to there's not

570
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,760
a lot.
It's kind of at a standstill.

571
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:45,840
So like I feel.
Like, there's a lot.

572
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,160
To like report.
Yeah, and I think AFCO will

573
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:55,680
probably take anything that CVM
throws at them because they

574
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,400
don't want to.
I mean, right now as it stands

575
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,560
like if if they completely lose
the memorandum of understanding

576
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,800
with the FDA and there is no
pathway for them to continue to

577
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,400
be involved, then yes, everybody
there loses their job basically.

578
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:20,240
And again, don't don't have any
idea what would happen to those

579
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:27,320
people in the state departments
of agriculture who work under,

580
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,560
you know, in the pet food
regulation departments like

581
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,080
there, there was nothing in the
act that said what would become

582
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,040
of them.
Yeah, so it's just a whole lot

583
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,880
of standing still right now.
But do they have any like the

584
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,320
I've looked for a timeline.
There's no timeline anywhere

585
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,200
that I can see.
So it's just like a whole lot of

586
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,080
nothing, I guess.
Is that that's the point of the

587
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,280
Yeah, boring.
It's a boring topic because it's

588
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,520
not like we have any dead like
we don't have.

589
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,520
No.
Yes, if you want to send a

590
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,520
letter, an e-mail, please do
ASAP because we don't know when

591
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,200
you know this passes this, this
is presented to.

592
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,760
I don't know.
Does it even say let me just

593
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:09,880
check the Congress dot?
I imagine that it is.

594
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:14,320
It was introduced in February.
February 16th.

595
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,160
Let's see.
All yes.

596
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:24,600
And the only the last action is
introduced to the House February

597
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,680
15th.
Refer to the House Committee on

598
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,200
Energy and Commerce on the same
day and then refer to the

599
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,920
Subcommittee on Health on the
16th of February.

600
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,520
That's it.
Like that's all that's happened

601
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,360
so far.
Yeah, and I'm sure it's really

602
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,920
difficult to get anything done
right now with, you know, we're

603
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,680
so.
Close to an election looming,

604
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,640
yes.
Yeah, it's either.

605
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,080
They're going to want to try to
push anything through they can

606
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,960
last minute between now and the
end of the year or, or not the

607
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,440
even the end of the year
between.

608
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,880
But I, I just don't think
they're going to get anything

609
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:02,720
through in the next week.
So it will probably go to the

610
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,960
next Congress administration.
Yeah, the next administration,

611
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:15,160
which I honestly, I, I I'm of
two minds on that too, because

612
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,040
obviously not knowing who's
getting in, who's going to win

613
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,680
and not to get political, but
there is definitely.

614
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,160
Yeah, Doctor Kozier is saying
regulation and law is not

615
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,680
interesting to most people until
it's either costing them money

616
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,440
or impacting their needs.
And that's the thing that I

617
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,640
think this is going to impact
consumers greatly.

618
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,480
But they're not going to know.
They're not going to understand

619
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,160
how correct.
Yes, exactly.

620
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,040
That's then.
And what I mean is boring

621
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,520
because there's no updates.
I don't mean that it's not

622
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,800
important to discuss, otherwise
I wouldn't have recommended the

623
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,720
topic.
But what I'm saying is, yeah,

624
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,120
like it, of course it affects
us, but nothing is happening.

625
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,880
So when, when will this affect
us?

626
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,160
What's the next step?
We have no information on that.

627
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:06,560
So if you are concerned with
what we've shared with you and

628
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,480
what is available for us to read
right now, then I would say

629
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,680
don't wait.
And then after the election, if

630
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,280
there is going to be a change in
your representatives because of

631
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,920
this election, contact them as
well.

632
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:27,960
So keep on this, keep, you know,
keep checking in with Jessica.

633
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,840
I'm sure she'll share with you.
But it's something that you

634
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,520
probably need to do now.
And then you may have to do

635
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,080
again once there is a changeover
in your district or in your

636
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,920
state.
So just remember that the timing

637
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,680
is one that means that you might
have to send a few letters, a

638
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,000
few emails, And like Jessica
said, customize it, share why

639
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,880
you care.
When I write to my

640
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,920
representatives, I make it
personal.

641
00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,560
And I, of course, you know, I
do.

642
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,680
I know kind of like, if you're a
Republican, what your values

643
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,240
are.
And I know if you're a Democrat,

644
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:09,080
what your values are, they may
be different in your mind.

645
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,000
So appeal to those values,
Right.

646
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:16,600
Like, yeah, you, you, you should
know enough by being involved in

647
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:20,120
politics because as a voter you
are involved in politics whether

648
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,840
you like it or not, but has no
knowing that, no, like, oh, this

649
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,120
is somebody who's not doesn't
share my values, but we can come

650
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,800
together on this one thing.
Right.

651
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,840
Like yes, because.
I like are not the same, but

652
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,400
this is important.
This is why.

653
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:40,160
Food, our food supply and our
pets food supply is not a

654
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,920
partisan issue.
So no, it's not a partisan

655
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,800
issue.
So I don't care if your

656
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,680
representative, if your
representative is somebody that

657
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,560
you did not vote for, it is
still important that you.

658
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,680
Yeah.
They're still your

659
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,760
representative.
They are, even though you did

660
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,880
not wish for them to be.
They are your representative,

661
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:07,120
and as one of their
constituents, they have to hear

662
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,720
you out.
Whether they.

663
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,720
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of,
there's a lot of automation

664
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,000
these days, a lot of thank you
for your e-mail.

665
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,720
Like I get it, but like I was.
Saying they're campaigning,

666
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,920
especially if they're trying,
it's trying for re election.

667
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,320
They're all campaigning.
They're not in the office.

668
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,000
We all know that.
Yeah, some healthy dog workshop.

669
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,080
Yeah, it's still in the it's
been in the subcommittee since

670
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,440
since February 16th, the day
after it was introduced.

671
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,120
Nothing has happened since.
That's on congress.gov.

672
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,240
So, yeah, I mean, there's not
much to discuss, but it is

673
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:41,720
something that you need to be
put on your radar.

674
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:44,840
One of the things I like to do
about things like that is I like

675
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,920
to create a Google alert, and I
really like it to be like a news

676
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,920
source, not like some Amazon
something, yeah.

677
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,920
Or like that, I don't know, you
know, make sure that it's the

678
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,480
per act.
And if you go on congress.gov,

679
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,000
it has, you know, HR7380, a
118th Congress.

680
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:11,040
You could put maybe that where
you can better, you know, narrow

681
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,000
down the results.
You're not getting a million of

682
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,600
nonsense.
But yeah, I think it's really

683
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,840
important for us to stay
informed.

684
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,000
This is just one of the things
that like why everybody cares

685
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,480
about the election, right?
As consumers, these elections

686
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,720
affect us.
And I think not to, again, not

687
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,000
to get political in any way,
shape or form because who I vote

688
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,720
for is only for me to know.
But when you are locked out of

689
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,320
voting, this stuff happens to
you.

690
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,560
So if there's anything we can
say, Jessica, and I agree on

691
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:48,200
this 100%, is figure out who
best represents you best,

692
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,560
represents your interests and go
vote for them.

693
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,760
And it's a presidential
election, so that takes all

694
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,560
sorts of attention from
everybody.

695
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,600
But your local representatives
are impacting every single thing

696
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,400
that happens to you, your
family, your pets, in your

697
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,800
backyard.
So it's not just about the

698
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,400
representatives.
It's not about the

699
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:16,760
representatives who best
represent you 100%, because if I

700
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:21,600
had to vote for anybody right
now that is 100% my equal, my

701
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:25,280
like carbon copy in my values, I
wouldn't be able to vote right?

702
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,000
Because like nobody represents
me 100%.

703
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:33,360
That's not the point is.
The point is, if you know

704
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,680
somebody is you know.
Is going to What policies are

705
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,360
going to make your life better?
No.

706
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:47,680
And somebody who you'd feel
could have a discussion about

707
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,320
something like this, right, like
where you feel like you can take

708
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,400
something to this representative
and you would be taken

709
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,160
seriously.
If that's not the other guy or

710
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,800
the other girl, then go to
whomever you think is going,

711
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:06,200
would be willing to hear you
out, would be willing to, you

712
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,840
know, at least read your, you
know, at least read your letter,

713
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,440
at least have one of their staff
members reach out to you because

714
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,640
there's a lot of people who make
a lot of promises.

715
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,400
And then when it comes down to
it, they're not going to do

716
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,880
anything for you.
They're just in it for

717
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,720
themselves.
And that's politics.

718
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:24,040
That's the United States
specifically because of all the

719
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,760
lobbying we allow.
And until that changes, I'm

720
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,560
going to be a cynic.
That's just who I am and who I

721
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,720
am.
But like, get out there and

722
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,960
vote.
Get out there and vote.

723
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,600
Like, there's no way you can
complain about anything that is

724
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,200
happening in Congress if you did
not vote, vote for your

725
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,520
representatives.
Sorry.

726
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:50,440
There's there's a reason why,
you know, whether it's Congress

727
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,760
or sent, why a representative is
paid like, I don't know, a

728
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,760
hundred, $150,000 a year, but
they come out millionaires.

729
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,560
There's a reason and it, it's
the lobbyists.

730
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:05,400
So it is, it is not a great
system, but it's what we have to

731
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,880
work with.
Exactly and.

732
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,640
So whomever you feel like will
be less about the lobby and more

733
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,080
about the people, if that's
important to you, then go get

734
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,480
out there and vote for them
because otherwise they're, you

735
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,840
know, and we're still
everybody's campaigning,

736
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,080
everybody's spending the
millions of dollars a day on

737
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,760
ads.
And at the end of the day, like

738
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,800
we need to get out there and
vote for who we think best

739
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,720
represents us and our families
and our, and our values and the

740
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,480
issues that are going to affect
us every day.

741
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,200
And honestly, as pet parents,
this issue has a really big, big

742
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,520
impact on us.
Like to feel like you're buying

743
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,880
something, thinking you're
buying something.

744
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,880
And then it's just crap.
Like think about you going to a

745
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,640
Louis Vuitton store, purchasing
a Louis Vuitton, and then it

746
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,720
turns out it was made in China
because nobody's regulating

747
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,560
that.
Like, can you like, that's the

748
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,880
equivalent to me.
It's like you go somewhere and

749
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,840
you get a GE appliance, but it's
actually not a GE.

750
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,880
They just put a sticker on it.
Like that's really what this is

751
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,920
equivalent to.
So if you're a hard worker and

752
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,920
you want to protect your, you
know, your, your money, your

753
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,880
finances and your pets, because
this is food, this is literally

754
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,600
their lifeline.
This is what they eat every day,

755
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,760
then this is a big deal.
And and if you're not angry

756
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,920
already, like.
Yeah, and.

757
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,160
Get out there and get angry.
Yes, and comment the word purr,

758
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:36,600
PURR and I'll send you a link to
Susan Thixton's blog that tells

759
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:42,480
you and everything about the per
act and how and and it has links

760
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,160
to contact your representative
in Congress.

761
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,720
Because that is what we can do
at this point is to contact

762
00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:56,520
because hopefully, hopefully
your representative, my

763
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,120
representative, they get enough
of these emails that they're

764
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,000
like, OK, this is actually a
concern to the people that I'm

765
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,720
representing.
You know, I'm, I'm, I'm making a

766
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:14,000
face because I feel like pet
parents are not outspoken

767
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,400
enough.
I feel like they feel defeated a

768
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,680
lot of the time and they're
like, it's not worth my time.

769
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,520
So I don't have faith in us as a
general group.

770
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,760
The pet parents, I see it with
kids too, right?

771
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,480
Like I see it with, it's not
just pets.

772
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,760
I see it with parents too.
Like we're so overwhelmed that

773
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,920
it's just like that thing that
never gets done.

774
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,760
And like, like you said, most
people don't even know this is

775
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,360
happening.
I'm in the pet industry.

776
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,960
I'm, I, I have not heard about
it until now because I'm not in

777
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,120
the food space specifically.
I'm hearing all sorts of news

778
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,760
and this news, did I see it
somewhere and like not pay

779
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:50,880
attention to it?
Maybe.

780
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,040
But like, that was the the only
time that I paid true attention

781
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,720
to it was in an e-mail from the
two crazy cat ladies that said,

782
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,560
and I think it was kind of, I
don't, I'm not saying that

783
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,240
they're inflammatory in any way,
but like their e-mail was kind

784
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:07,720
of like a little kind of an
urge.

785
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,400
This is a big deal, right?
Like it said something that

786
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,840
caught my attention.
But if they hadn't even framed

787
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,360
it that way, I still may not
know.

788
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,760
Yeah, well, and Doctor, Kosher
is right, She says it's called

789
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,000
fraud in the pet food industry
commits that everyday.

790
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,240
You're 100% accurate, which is
why I, for the most part I do

791
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:34,320
still my cats eat some canned
food and that is from companies

792
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,880
that I don't know personally.
But everything else that goes

793
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:41,360
into my pet's mouth is only from
a company that I talk to, the

794
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,920
people that make the food.
Like I don't, you know, like

795
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,600
that's just where I am in my
journey.

796
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,640
And I know most people aren't
there, which is why I have to

797
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,960
use my voice to let people know
what the heck is going on and

798
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,960
advocate for them to get
involved because it's not right.

799
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,840
And it's not like we, I, I get
it.

800
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,080
But not everybody can do what,
you know, what Isabel and I do

801
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,560
everyday.
And you know, you have your own

802
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,680
life to live and kids to take
care of and bills that need to

803
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,040
be paid.
And it's tough.

804
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:22,000
But if you want to see change,
you do have to get involved.

805
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,360
And so when people like us are
making noise and saying, no,

806
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,040
seriously, this is important.
Please, if all you do is send

807
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,800
this e-mail, please go send the
e-mail.

808
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:35,240
So comment per PURR.
And on Instagram, I'll send you

809
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:38,200
the link to Susan Thixon's blog
so you can go send that e-mail.

810
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,600
And I will please say.
This I'll finish off with saying

811
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:46,520
my I, I, my, my pets do eat
commercial dog and cat food.

812
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:51,800
And I do believe that there's a
range, there's like a tier of

813
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:56,080
companies and the ones that are
going to do the most harm are

814
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,160
not the little ones.
They're not the ones that went

815
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,600
into this for the right reasons.
And like, I will say that I do

816
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,200
have faith in some pet food
manufacturers.

817
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,280
My concern is always with the
ones that have the most power.

818
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,240
Those are the ones that I'm
always like a little concerned

819
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,000
by because when you have that
much power, that much influence

820
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,360
and that much to lose, right?
Because you're looking at your,

821
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,240
your, your, it's an it's, it's,
it's a business before it is

822
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:28,840
anything else, right?
Like for a small pet food

823
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,000
manufacturer that went into it
because their pet, you know,

824
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,520
passed away of a potentially
preventable disease.

825
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,080
It's very personal to them.
But when you get to these huge

826
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,840
conglomerates, it's very
impersonal and there tends to be

827
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,840
like a disconnect between the
consumer and the product because

828
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,760
all we want is the bottom line,
right?

829
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,520
So I do want to say that for me,
the biggest concern is those

830
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,360
conglomerates and why?
Because they reach the the vast

831
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:00,240
majority of the pet loving
population.

832
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,400
And if you think that those
companies whose names I will not

833
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,920
share, but we've already
discussed a few of them here.

834
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:12,480
If you think they only reach the
United States, they're global

835
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:17,600
and a lot of countries will look
at the United States as a

836
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,000
standard.
Latin America specifically, they

837
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:28,000
don't have the resources to have
an FDA, the CA, whatever it is,

838
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,320
Committee on Pet Food, They're
just like, if it's safe

839
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,200
according to the American FDA,
we'll sell it here.

840
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:36,600
Like that's kind of what happens
a lot of the time.

841
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,600
We're a standard for the rest of
the world.

842
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:43,000
So when we tell you that these
things impact, they have a big

843
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,880
impact, they have a humongous
impact, they have a worldwide

844
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,920
impact.
And for me, that's why I choose

845
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,480
the smaller companies for my
pets because I feel like there's

846
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:01,160
still that personal connection,
there's still that goal of

847
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,600
keeping pets healthy while make
turning a profit.

848
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,000
And the profit doesn't come
first for those companies.

849
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,240
So that's how I recommend people
go when they choose their pet

850
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:14,880
food.
It's how big is it?

851
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,280
Like what you know, like who
owns it?

852
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,840
Like what, what are they about?
What are their values?

853
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,680
Because like if, if just
pleasing investors is their

854
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,720
value, then that come out.
Yeah.

855
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,760
And that is the truth for those
what what we call big pet food,

856
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,960
right?
Just like big food is just

857
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,920
about.
Yeah, Big military, big Yeah,

858
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,440
all of it, All of it.
And, and when you're, and it, it

859
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,600
affects our kids too.
Like it's the same reason why, I

860
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,400
mean, literally the same people
who own the big pet food, own

861
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,960
the big snack food and we're all
sick, right?

862
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,080
So like, at the end of the day,
it really is those big companies

863
00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:01,760
that get to have their, you
know, oversight waived and we

864
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,560
pay the consequences.
Yeah, we do.

865
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:11,040
We have to pay in taxes to oh, I
give a little thumbs up.

866
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,400
We have to pay.
Is that what happens so if I do

867
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,400
this?
It'll give me, I don't know.

868
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:21,520
Well, it didn't do it for you.
We have to pay in taxes for the

869
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:26,800
regulation, for the Regulatory
agency to allow them to do

870
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:29,640
whatever the heck they want.
And then we pay for it with our

871
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,560
pets.
And I'm just, I'm just, I'm just

872
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,440
going to say it from now on.
I don't.

873
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:36,880
It just came out of my mouth
earlier.

874
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:44,640
Our pets are pet food injured.
And that's my from here on out,

875
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,600
that's what I'm going to call
it, their pet food injured

876
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,280
because it is preventable.
Just like with us, it is

877
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:55,760
preventable.
It is lifestyle choices that are

878
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,560
contributing to the insane
amounts of disease that we're

879
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:05,360
seeing in humans and pets.
It's it's a mirror between US

880
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,760
and our dogs and our cats aren't
far behind.

881
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:12,920
It's, it's so sad, but I think
more and more people are waking

882
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,360
up to it one way or the other,
whether that's with human health

883
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,560
or with pet health.
And hopefully, you know,

884
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,640
eventually they see all of the
overlap because it is.

885
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,440
And that's one of my biggest
concerns, honestly, with even

886
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:35,920
doing better in regulating the
human food industry is that if

887
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:40,560
we don't do better in regulating
the pet food industry at the

888
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,680
same time, then we're just going
to see more and more of the junk

889
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,400
that they can't put in human
food anymore.

890
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,680
So let's just give it to the
pets.

891
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,760
Yeah.
Because that's what people.

892
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,480
Are Doritos, they're both the
same.

893
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,720
Exactly.
That's the I just.

894
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,680
Yeah, I completely agree with
you.

895
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:04,000
I, I feel like at the end of the
day, we are always going to be

896
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,920
OK if we're educated, but then
it's always the pet parents who

897
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,800
aren't educated.
And then you start talking about

898
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,600
socioeconomic levels and how
those groups are more affected

899
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,280
by these things because they
have less education, less

900
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,800
understanding.
So this is also an

901
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,520
accessibility, an equality.
Yeah.

902
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,280
An equity issue.
Right, because you and I and

903
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,240
everybody watching, it's our
responsibility to act and to

904
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,640
make sure our voices are heard.
For those people who don't have

905
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,800
any idea this is even going on,
we're not just protecting our

906
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,440
pets, we're trying to protect
their pets too.

907
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:45,880
Just like as a parent, Isabel,
I'm not, but I know you are.

908
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,080
Any and everything you do to get
involved to make your child's

909
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,960
life better is going to trickle
down to other people's children.

910
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,960
And that's community, right?
Like that.

911
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:55,960
And that's what it takes,
correct?

912
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:57,600
Correct.
Absolutely.

913
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,320
And yeah.
And it's speaking out for those

914
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:00,800
who can't.
Like I'm thinking just in El

915
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:06,120
Paso, like the level of
education in the in, in just pet

916
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:10,400
rearing is so much lower than
when I was in Northern Virginia

917
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,640
or when I grew up in Miami.
And like, you know, it's so

918
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:18,000
unfair that these are the people
who are working two jobs because

919
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,440
in El Paso, the socioeconomic
level of the city in general is

920
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,280
lower than Northern Virginia,
one of the wealthiest counties

921
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,320
in the country, right?
And so these people are working

922
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,160
two jobs.
They're struggling to make ends

923
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,080
meet.
They're spending their money on

924
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,680
this dog food for a dog that,
you know, that they're hoping to

925
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,920
hang on to because they add so
much to their life.

926
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,640
And now the pet is getting sick.
It's not getting the benefits of

927
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,800
this urine health dog food that
they invested in and they're

928
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,600
spending more money at the vet.
And it's just like this vicious

929
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,640
cycle.
And it's so frustrating because

930
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,800
they didn't know.
They didn't they didn't have the

931
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:58,160
time to do the research.
They don't have, you know, you

932
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,800
don't know what you don't know,
right?

933
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,680
So they don't even know what
questions to ask.

934
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:09,320
Girl, I was at Pathology this
weekend and in the back with

935
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,160
Janet because then Pam was
helping her.

936
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:19,240
Don't know Popology is a really
wonderful boutique pet boutique

937
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,360
in Boston that's owned by our
friend Janet.

938
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:30,080
Yes and these 40 LB bags of
kibble 100 a $110.

939
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:36,760
I'm like what the what?
Like if you were literally out

940
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:41,880
there spending $100 today
because everything is crazy for

941
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:49,240
a 40 LB bag of kibble, let me
help you move over to that

942
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,040
freezer section because your
$100 is going to go way further

943
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,520
for a lot better food like.
I mean chewy, when you go on

944
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:01,040
chewy it's shocking.
Like I when I go on chewy it is

945
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,920
shy.
I just bought some food for a

946
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,840
friend and I was like that's
what this costs.

947
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:13,080
I know I'm like this is.
Really junky food stuff I like

948
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:19,040
would never feed is not much
cheaper than the the better

949
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,520
stuff that I would feed.
And it's like, you don't know,

950
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:28,440
$888 for 28 lbs of a low fat GI
diet.

951
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,440
Absolutely.
The the prescription diets, we

952
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,520
could talk about that blue in
the face.

953
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:35,280
Gosh, they're the biggest racket
that has ever existed.

954
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,240
They are and that's one of the
things.

955
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:41,840
But it, it's a, it is a big
concern and the pet food and

956
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,000
it's something that that AFCO
has been working on.

957
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:49,800
And I'm very curious to see if
the FDA ever does anything about

958
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:53,800
it because they market it.
You have to have a prescription

959
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,160
like it's medicine and there's
no medicine in it.

960
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,600
Like it's the biggest it's.
Making it difficult for pet

961
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:04,960
parents.
My my dog's socks was on the UTI

962
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,600
stuff, the crystals Bah Bah Bah
Bah Bah.

963
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,000
The second I put her on homemade
food, she'd never had a crystal

964
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,200
again.
But of course, every vet I

965
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,320
talked to was like, how dare you
even think that she'll she could

966
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,600
have an obstruction.
It could be terrible and it

967
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:19,480
wasn't.
So.

968
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,760
I mean, I know that not
everybody is in the position

969
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,880
that I did that when I was like
recently married, we had both

970
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,280
full time jobs.
Like we didn't have any kids.

971
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,280
We had the ability, the time,
the, the, it was convenient for

972
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:34,920
us.
We had the space in our home to

973
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:37,120
do it.
I know not everybody can do

974
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,680
that.
So I'm not suggesting that, but

975
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,920
this is what I say.
It's like so important for us to

976
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,280
stay on top of these things and
to like share it with friends

977
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,840
because like really, if this
does come up in a conversation

978
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:50,840
with your girlfriends, like, oh,
what are you feeding?

979
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,120
Remember this and tell them to
look into it.

980
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,200
Please.
Yeah, yeah.

981
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:01,560
Well, so OK, read the per act.
It's available at what

982
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:07,840
congress.gov.
Go to Susan Thixton's blog, read

983
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:13,920
how she writes it all out in
words that we can all understand

984
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,160
from somebody who is very
experienced having been to many,

985
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,800
many, many, many AFCO.
That honestly, that is one of my

986
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:28,120
biggest concerns overall is that
we're potentially going to lose

987
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,760
the consumer advocacy port like
because where are consumers

988
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:34,920
going to go?
Where are consumers going to go

989
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:40,160
to say, right, to say, to get in
front of these regulators to say

990
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,760
this isn't OK, right?
Like at least we have that with

991
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,360
AFCO for what it's worth, at
least we have that right now.

992
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:52,040
But anyway, and while we're
still live, you can comment per

993
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:57,760
and I'll send you that link.
And yeah, I mean, just as

994
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,920
always, like don't listen to me
if you don't want to listen to

995
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,960
me.
Go do your own research, please.

996
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:05,240
Yeah.
Please, please.

997
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,240
So for those who are on Facebook
and YouTube, I did share the

998
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:15,960
truth about petfood.com, the
link about about the per act,

999
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,280
which I think is what you're
going to send them.

1000
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:23,240
So for Instagram comment per and
for Facebook and YouTube, just

1001
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,640
check the comments.
I put it there for you.

1002
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,560
And don't forget to vote, guys,
don't forget to vote.

1003
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:36,760
Please vote yes.
It's our responsibility.

1004
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,320
We we need to do it.
I voted Friday, actually, after

1005
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:41,200
you voted.
Do you know that?

1006
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,800
I was like, you know what?
I'm just going to go vote.

1007
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,840
You did.
I was like, cuz I I yeah, I

1008
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,520
travel next week.
Wait, Miami?

1009
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,520
For your mom moving OK.
So no, no, live with me next

1010
01:03:56,520 --> 01:04:00,240
week.
I'm so sorry, but that gives you

1011
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,160
more time to go vote.
Please do.

1012
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:07,000
So I went to vote Friday and
there was a lady who was 101

1013
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:13,640
years old voting and I just
think that it was so wonderful.

1014
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:18,040
Just a reminder, guys, in most
states, you cannot speak about

1015
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,080
your candidate.
It's illegal.

1016
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,320
You cannot.
Oh, at the polling station?

1017
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,000
Yeah, you can't.
Whomever because.

1018
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,880
Yeah.
Somebody walked out and screamed

1019
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,960
whatever candidate 2024 And I
was like, you can't wear

1020
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,440
T-shirts, you can't wear
anything.

1021
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:41,760
Just go demure and mindful and
place your vote.

1022
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:46,200
And you can celebrate outside
however many feet, but just get

1023
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,000
there.
Because I mean, if this older

1024
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:53,640
woman, 101 years old, if she was
able to vote, I think we can all

1025
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,240
vote her.
I guess it was her daughter who

1026
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,640
took her and she was still
mobile, which is really amazing

1027
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,840
for 101.
Yeah, she needed help walking

1028
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:05,880
and voting, but if she can do
it, so can we.

1029
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,800
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm glad I got it done.

1030
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,360
I wanted to do it like there was
a line.

1031
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:14,160
I waited.
Really.

1032
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:15,200
Good.
It was like an.

1033
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,680
Hour evening.
It was Friday evening and I

1034
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,440
think I only waited like 25
minutes.

1035
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:25,520
But in Texas November 1st is the
last day for early voting.

1036
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:29,360
So mark your calendars, get out
there, and if you have a YWCA

1037
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:32,960
close, that's where I vote.
They usually have polling

1038
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,360
stations there.
Yeah, well, you can check.

1039
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:40,160
I don't know, just Google your
state and early polling and go,

1040
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,880
yeah, early voting, yeah.
And I think actually Google has

1041
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:47,600
them on the on maps, probably.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1042
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,320
Polling station or polling?
Yeah, yeah.

1043
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:56,160
All right, guys, please, please,
please do all the things, do all

1044
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:01,360
the things, get involved.
We will see you, I guess, on two

1045
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:02,640
weeks.
Do we want to do something on

1046
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:05,880
Veteran's Day?
Oh, through the veteran's day.

1047
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:09,880
I don't know what day it is.
Veteran's day is November 11th.

1048
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,560
I feel like it would be fun to
go live and and like talk about

1049
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:19,440
how to support veteran dogs
because that is a really big and

1050
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,800
important topic.
It is.

1051
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,120
It's a very sad one too.
Well, the it's happy in that

1052
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,640
there are organizations that are
doing all the right things for

1053
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,200
them, but like a lot of people
don't know why you need to

1054
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,440
support these dogs like they
don't know I interviewed.

1055
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,040
An organization that does this,
but there are many.

1056
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,880
And like what I learned was like
how much rehab a lot of these

1057
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,800
dogs need.
Like it's not just they don't

1058
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:55,120
kept homes or it's not just they
get left in combat zones.

1059
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,680
It's that even when everything
works out like they bring them

1060
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,600
back, they have a, you know,
they, their handler from, you

1061
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,840
know, their military handler
wants to bring them.

1062
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,560
They have so much work to do
that it's like prohibitive for

1063
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,880
the members of the military.
And, and there's no like real

1064
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,200
protection for them, even though
they fight just as much and just

1065
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,040
as hard and they put themselves
in just as much danger as our

1066
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:24,360
human military.
So that's a really important

1067
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,520
topic that I feel like, like we
said, like not everybody

1068
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:28,200
understands these insurance and
outs.

1069
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,280
And like, if you're game, I
will, I would love to like

1070
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,600
discuss that and just give
people some knowledge as to why

1071
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,600
it's important to support these
causes.

1072
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:42,600
Sure sounds good to me sounds
good all righty well y'all have

1073
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,120
a great week.
Please do go vote.

1074
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,080
Do it, do it, do it, do it, do
it and and.

1075
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,280
We don't care who you vote for,
just go.

1076
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:51,640
Vote, Ellen, you one way or the
other.

1077
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:55,960
Just do it like, yes, please.
All right.

1078
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:58,320
Well, have a great week.
Thanks so much for hanging out

1079
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,440
with us, and we'll talk to you
in two weeks.

1080
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:02,000
Bye.
Bye.