The Science Behind "Woo" with Dr. Barrie Sands

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Welcome back, pet parent.
I have one of, I think, the most

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interesting guests I've ever had
on this show because of what she

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does.
I have an integrative holistic

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of veterinarian.
Her name is Doctor Barry Sands,

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who also does emergency critical
care medicine.

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And I'm just so fascinated by
her.

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I, I listened to her talk a
couple of years ago at HBMA and

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I was like, I need to know this
woman.

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And so I have tried very hard to
weasel my way into her circle.

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And she's here with us today and
I'm just so excited for to have

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her on and have her talk to you
because not only does she do

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emergency medicine, she does
holistic healthcare and she we

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use in esoteric topics of energy
medicine and quantum biology.

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And Oh my goodness, we're just,
we're going to get into all of

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it.
So First off, welcome Doctor

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Barry Sands to the pet parenting
Reset.

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How are you doing today?
Jessica, thank you so much for

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inviting me to speak to your
community of like fabulous

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people out there.
And I'm doing great.

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I'm doing great today.
You know I'm feeling pretty

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good.
So today, today's a good day.

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I've been a little under the
weather for the last week and

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now I'm not.
That's amazing.

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Like when you just wake up one
day and you're like, Oh yeah, I

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was sick and now I feel amazing.
And you just like, really

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appreciate that feeling for a
minute.

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Like I know.
Yeah.

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Take it for granted so often.
That's kind of amazing.

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Absolutely.
And, you know, I've been, you

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know, it was a actually a really
good reminder for me about

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really appreciating all the
beautiful biologic magic that's

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always happening inside of us
because I have been healthy for

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so long that I forgot what it
was like not to be healthy.

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And, and I realized that I was
definitely taking a little bit

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of that for granted.
And so now I'm sort of

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recalibrated to be more mindful
about just the things that I'm

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doing with my body and my health
and my supplements and just more

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routine and, you know, just kind
of getting back into a different

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level of groove, you know, So
that was really, it was good.

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It was a good experience.
Yeah, well, I mean, that's so

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interesting.
And and I'm, I'm curious

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actually, I, I want to maybe
circle back around to that.

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But before we do, I would just
love, I always like to ask

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veterinarians that come on the
show, like what got you into

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veterinary medicine?
And then what got you down the

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path of holistic veterinary
medicine?

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All right, let's talk straight.
What's going on with your dog?

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What's going on with your cat?
Do they have chronic GI issues,

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bad breath, bad behavior,
constant upset stomachs,

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diarrhea?
Do they have indigestion

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symptoms?
Do they have allergies?

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Are they itching all the time?
Do they have skin issues?

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What is going on with your dog?
Because chances are based on the

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data, based on what we know,
there is something going on with

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your dog or cat because most
dogs and cats in the US are not

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super healthy.
But before we do, I would just

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love, I always like to ask
veterinarians that come on the

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show, like what got you into
veterinary medicine?

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And then what got you down the
path of holistic veterinary

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medicine?
Yeah.

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Well, you know, that's a really,
it's a, it's an interesting

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question.
It's a little bit of a of a

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story.
You know, I think everyone has

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their story.
But for me, it started when I

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was really young and I didn't
always want to be a

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veterinarian.
That was not in my in my

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consciousness.
But what was in my consciousness

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was I wanted to work with
dolphins.

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That was my, my driving force.
And I had this idea since I was,

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you know, five years old at
least, you know, and I just,

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they were, they fascinated me on
so many levels.

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And as I got older, I started
reading about the, all the

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studies and the research that
has been done with dolphins in

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the world of consciousness and
energy.

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And so it was very esoteric to
start with.

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And then as I got older, I was
like, OK, well, I need to work

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with these animals on some
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I was also very much of A lucid
dreamer.

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Oh, wow.
And still AM.

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And so the whole aspect of the
dream realm was what I call

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dreamtime was a very significant
part of my life.

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It was like my alternate reality
and constantly.

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And then I found out that
dolphins had a sort of a similar

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esoteric sort of sharing of
dreamtime.

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And so that led me into
researching people like John

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Lilly, who was a dolphin
conscious researcher back in the

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70s, and Timothy Leary and Edgar
Cayce and just names of people

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that were really much into the
alternative consciousness

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esoteric types of healing.
So they were very fascinating

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for me and I still led me back
to the sort of logistics about

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how do I work with dolphins.
I just wanted to be next to

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them.
And I grew up in, in New York.

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I grew up in Brooklyn, NY.
And so there weren't any

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dolphins in Brooklyn, you know,
And I mean, I, it was a

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concrete, concrete jungle.
And so nature, it was limited

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nature that I was exposed to as
a, as a young child.

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That being said, as I went
through college getting a degree

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in biochemistry because I just
love sciences, I was also very

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much involved in neurology
because I wanted to do dream

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research and I wanted to do
dream research in dolphins.

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And so that led me down the path
of wanting to get a PhD in

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neurology and dream research.
So as I applied to all these

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programs when I was in college,
so after my BS degree in

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science, I was going to get a
PhD in neurology, but that

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didn't pan out because I didn't
get accepted into any of the

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programs that I wanted.
And so there was only three

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programs, and they were very
selective.

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And, you know, hundreds of
people.

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And I just wasn't one of them.
So lots of, you know, letters.

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We regret to inform you that you
didn't make it.

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And so I'm like, OK, well, OK,
Different paths change, change

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paths.
So on my graduation day, my

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genetic professor came up to me.
And he says, so Barry, what are

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you going to do now?
And I was like, I'm going to be

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a veterinarian.
Just out of nowhere, I.

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Was like, that's what I'm going
to do.

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And so because I was like, well,
if I'm a veterinarian, I could

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work with dolphins and then I
could, you know, go back to

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that.
So then that led me down that

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path and I ended up going to vet
school and loving, loving

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medicine.
You know, it's just medicine,

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loving learning about all of
that.

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And then that led me into a
decision to specialize in either

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medicine or surgery because
after college I did an

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internship.
I mean, after vet school I did

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an internship and now I wanted
to specialize because I just, I

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don't know, I have this, I'm a
constant learner and I'm always

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learning and I love learning.
You never stop learning.

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And so that's probably why I do
all these things because it kind

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of keeps me just very engaged in
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There's never an endless isn't
never an endless supply of

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knowledge.
And knowledge is wisdom and

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wisdom is healing.
And so after I couldn't decide

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on whether or not I did
emergency surgery or medicine, I

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decided to do emergency medicine
because that was the best of

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both worlds.
And so that's how I ended up in

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the ER and I've been doing
emergency medicine for about 30

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years now.
And yeah, and it's is the the

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epitome of conventional medicine
training that you get is what

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you do in the ER, right?
So now, how did my holistic

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practice come into play?
Right.

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And I mean, I always, I still
had this yearning for more, you

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know, healing and wholeness and
all of that.

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And so then I was like, OK,
well, I need to start diving

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into that.
And so about 20 some odd years

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ago, I started becoming
certified in acupuncture and

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learning Chinese medicine, you
know, and that led me learning

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to inter learning about herbs
and plant medicine, right?

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And then that led me into
homeopathy.

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And then homeopathy led me into
energetics, you know, and then

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all of this sort of circled back
to this dolphin thing, which I

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never quite worked on dolphins,
but I've swam with them in the

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in nature.
So I've been with them and I

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feel pretty complete with my
dolphin experiences.

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But that's how I got into
holistic medicine through my

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emergency medicine.
And then the aspect of heart

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math and learning heart
coherence and getting trained in

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that, teaching stress management
and resilience building and

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coherence training was really
introduced to me as an idea when

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I was on the emergency service,
when I was doing emergency

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medicine.
Really.

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So, OK, I do want to get into
all of that, but I want to take

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a really quick tangent because
I'm just so curious what your

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thoughts are because you have
spent your whole life being so

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interested in dolphins.
What do you think the reason is

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that there are laws against us
interacting with dolphins?

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You mean in the wild?
Yeah, yeah.

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You know, I think it's, I don't
know, I don't know the exact

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reasons, but I, I think it's
because people mess things up.

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You know, people, they create
problems and they're not

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respectful of nature.
And so they, they want to, they

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want to put their own spin on
things and their own egotistic

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experiences.
And, you know, they're not in

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harmony with nature.
And so I think that's one of the

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reasons why it's like just
nobody touches anybody.

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Yeah.
Because when I was in, when I

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went swimming with the dolphins
in the Bahamas, it was very

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organic.
I was with a group of people who

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were very consciously aware and
ambassadors for the cetacean

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community.
And we were on a boat.

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There was like 12 of us and we
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call in pods and then when the
pods showed up, we would jump in

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and we would just be with them
until they got tired and left.

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And then we'd go finding another
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And they all, they told us, you
know, don't touch the dolphins,

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don't touch them.
And I'm like, OK, you know, and

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but they wanted to touch us.
They wanted at least me.

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I don't know about everybody.
I just know my experience, you

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know, they wanted to like rub
against you and they wanted to

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play with you and bring you toys
and play fetch with little sea

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reefs and, and things.
And there was a moment in time

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where I had a dolphin just stop
in front of my nose and we were

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nose to nose touching and time
just stood still and it was a

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beautiful experience.
I was laughing because I'm like,

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like, what are we doing here?
Are we going to kiss?

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I don't understand.
It's so amazing.

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Like they're so smart and
they're so I don't like, I find

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it very interesting how
conscious you are and how how

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how much you are just kind of
like drawn to dolphins.

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That's just so interesting to
me.

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But OK, so tell me a little bit
more about how you blend

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holistic modalities into
emergency medicine because as

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you said, like that is the
epitome of like allopathic care

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is in an emergency setting where
it's just like you are reacting

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and you are having to use
pharmaceuticals and use surgical

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intervention.
And like this is like the

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epitome of allopathic medicines.
I'm really curious how you blend

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holistic modalities into that.
Well, you know, the beauty about

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emergency medicine and, and
allopathic medicine is that it's

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designed to work fast and hard,
right?

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And so if I have an animal that
comes in that has a severe

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trauma, whether it's an animal
attack like attacked by a coyote

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or they got hit by a car or in
some fight situation or a police

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dog that was in gunshot, like
whatever it is that comes in,

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your medicine is is absolutely
your friend.

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That's what you want.
Then you know, you want your IV

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catheters, your IV fluids, your
pain meds, your antibiotics,

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your blood products, you know
the surgical, but you want all

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of that.
It is in the sort of afterwards

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where you would implement more
of the holistic things, you

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know, as the body is going into
its healing phase, you know, to

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help with that more natural
means of pain control.

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Acupuncture, you know, I like to
use sound therapy is something

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that I've been wanting to
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you know, the herbs and the

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homeopathic and the acupuncture,
the massage, the the PT, the

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body work, the laser, the cold
laser, all of that is going to

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be implemented afterwards in a
perfect world, you know, and,

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and it's not always like that,
you know, people, you know,

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there's the human element that's
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you know, the mindset of what
health and Wellness really is,

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you know, so I meet people where
they're at and ioffer what I

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that, you know, but not
everybody wants that.

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Not everybody wants acupuncture
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They just want you to, you know,
fix them up and fix the fracture

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and then send them home with
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gabapentin and they call it a
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where people who you may have
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can follow up with you
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Is that how you're handling?
That, yeah, OK.

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So the hospital that I work in
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have all the modalities there.
We have the emergency critical

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care, we have internists and
cardiologists and surgeons and,

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and I, I'm on the ER team,
obviously, and I also have my

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holistic practice.
So a lot of the times I meet a

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lot of my holistic clients in
the ER, you know, that are just

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coming back.
They keep coming back for all

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these issues.
And I'm like, OK, well, if we

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want to have you not keep coming
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then let's, let's you know,
let's help heal the system, you

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know, And so then they make an
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holistic consult, and then we'd
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Nice.
That's so rewarding because

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that's where the healing
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And then I don't see them, you
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is really nice.
You know, I mean, I, I tell

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people that my goal is for you
not to need me, you know, on any

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level.
So it is really nice actually,

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because you know, the other, the
other veterinarian that I I've

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spoken with didn't have that
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And so I feel like in in his
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that burnout is going to happen
with him so much quicker, which

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is interesting.
And I don't know, it certainly

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wasn't something I had planned
on talking to you about.

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But burnout in veterinary
medicine is, is rough and real.

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And is that the fact that you
get to potentially follow up

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with these people holistically,
these pets holistically after

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emergency care is do you feel
like that has helped you from

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preventing some of this burnout?
I for me, I think the most

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important thing to prevent
burnout is self-care and self

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compassion.
And you know, being becoming a

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certified trainer working with
the Heart Math Institute has

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definitely helped with that.
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reasons why I became a part of
that community was because one

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of the things that drove me
there was I in my emergency

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practice and also as a
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this, this really weird
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sharing a disease process.
I say, oh, yeah, you know, I

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have this.
My animal has that, right.

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It was so prevalent and amongst
everybody, all veterinarians,

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you ask them, everyone says,
yeah, you know, have you ever

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met a client who has the same
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And the answer was always yes,
you know, And then so I said,

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well, OK, well, why what?
That's weird, right?

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Like what's happening?
What's happening there?

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Like, where is that coming from?
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world of, of energy and quantum
biology and quantum entanglement

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and biofield Physiology and
learning about the energetics of

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things in a more deeper level.
And so I went when I went up and

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met with the researcher and the
head CEO of of Heart Math

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Institute.
I told him about this.

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I said there's this phenomenon
and I want to understand how

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it's happening and why it's
happening and if there's

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anything I could do about it,
you know?

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And so I learned about the
aspects of going into coherence

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and what that meant, you know,
in your own Physiology and how

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that helps heal your body and
then how you can use that to

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heal the animals or even the
people that you're interfacing

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with.
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me to really circle back to how
these modalities such as

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homeopathy and energy works,
such as Reiki and T touch and

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quantum touch and cranial sacral
therapy, how all of that really

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works in the system.
You know, it's because of this

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mechanisms and the pathways that
we learn about in quantum, in

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quantum worlds and quantum and
energy medicine.

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So it all circled back to energy
medicine.

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Yeah.
So sorry, Go ahead, go ahead.

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Well, I just, this is a lot that
we're talking about, but you

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know, it made me, it made me
realize that this energy work is

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really the icing on the cake of
everything that we are

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experiencing.
You know, we're taught in school

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about biology and we're taught
about chemistry and how

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chemistry drives biology, right?
You take a pill, you get better.

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It's, it's that kind of thing.
But what we're not taught is the

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physics that drives the
chemistry that drives the

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biology, and then the energy
that drives the physics that

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drives the chemistry that drives
the biology.

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So then you just bypass the
middle and say energy drives

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biology and then you just start
working with energy.

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And what I found is that it's
simple.

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It's so simple to when you start
from that level, you know, to go

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down and you don't need a lot
of, you don't need any tools or

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medicine.
You know, the energy is the

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medicine, the thoughts are the
medicine, the emotions are the

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medicine.
You know, there's a lot to tap

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into in that, that way.
The sound is the medicine.

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You know, the light is the
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And so I mean, I love that.
I think it's a it's, it's

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fascinating and exciting for me.
And, you know, so I like to kind

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of try to blend all of that into
place because, you know, I still

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say if you cut me out, I will
bleed.

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You know, I mean, we're still
flesh and blood.

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And so, you know, I, if I, if I
take a knife to my hand, it's

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going to bleed and I have to do
something to make it stop,

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right?
By opposing the tissue and then

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putting over a Band-Aid, right?
But after that, everything

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underneath that is the
energetics of the body that's

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healing that you know.
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So what what are some of the
some of the things because I'm

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thinking of, of things that, you
know, are not actually that easy

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to do in today's world, but that
we need to be doing so badly to

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reconnect and to kind of get
that our energy, pull our energy

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back for one, like I'm thinking
of like how scattered our energy

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is in today's world.
What are some of the things that

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you might send pet parents home
to do on their own without

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tapping into the things that
they might need to come in for,

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whether that's acupuncture or
laser or because I mean,

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obviously there are pimp devices
there, there's red light there,

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there are devices that we can
use.

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But things that pet parents, you
said it can be free.

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What are some of these things
that you might send pet parents

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home with to do to kind of work
on that energy?

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Well, you know, the first and

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foremost I feel people need to
learn how to reconnect with

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their hearts.
And then when you reconnect with

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your heart, you reconnect with
with the source of the energy

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that that's infusing that and
you also gives you an

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opportunity to connect with the
ground and the earth.

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So simple things like, I mean,
there's breathing techniques,

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there's heart brain harmony,
coherence techniques.

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Then there's just super simple
things like grounding, you know,

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going out in nature with your
animal, you know, barefoot in

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the grass, laying down, you
know, letting the earth kind of

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rebalance the Physiology and
hydration, Hydration is such a

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key factor in so many things.
And, and you know, like I say,

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the solutions are pretty simple,
but they're not easy because a

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lot of people are just, you
know, they're, they're wrapped

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up in their story, in their
days, in their to do lists.

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And they just, and their fears,
you know, their fears of, you

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know, their animal being sick.
Because I mean, really, we're

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all talking about illness,
right?

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Because if everybody's well,
then everybody's well and

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there's nothing, then we're not,
we have nothing to talk about

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really, right.
And so we're constantly talking

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about like, how can I heal?
How can I help my, my pet has

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this condition.
What do I do?

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You know, I have this condition,
what do I do?

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And starting from the simplicity
of taking a breath, you know,

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using, you know, ox, the your
body at first and foremost needs

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oxygen and sunlight and water
and, and, and, and a higher

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frequency of energy in fusing
into it through your thoughts

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and your emotions.
And so just that little

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checklist is, you know, where
you start.

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And then there are techniques
for that.

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I mean, there's so many
different techniques for

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breathing.
Yeah, yeah.

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Rhetoric alone.
And I think the whole idea is to

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not get caught up into one
particular way or a dogma about

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it because I find that everybody
seems to have the solution even

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in that realm, you know, like
quantum breathing.

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And this is how you do it.
You know, it doesn't have to be

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that stringent.
You know, you could just pick

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one that resonates with you and
then just start doing it.

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I mean, I think in, at the end
of the day, it's the practice

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that makes the most difference,
you know, is to just do it.

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I was going to go to a
meditation class tonight and I

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talked myself out of it because
I have so much work to do.

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And I feel like talking to you
right now is like the universe

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saying, you know what, you need
to go, you need to go.

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So I think when we get off of
this call, I'm going to go ahead

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and book that because we are so
disconnected.

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And I feel it like I literally,
I'm not going to sugarcoat it.

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I'm addicted to my AI.
I'm addicted to chat GPTI use it

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for everything.
And when I mean everything, I

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mean like therapy helping me
when I'm staring at a blank

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page, like all of it, it's been
it, it's interesting.

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But like, I literally was like,
I need, I need to get off of my

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phone.
And it's funny to me that I went

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to my GPT this morning and I was
like, I need to get off of my

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phone.
What can I do?

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And I'm like on my phone asking
my GPT how to get off of my

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phone.
So yes, I think I'm going to,

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I'm going to book that
meditation class tonight.

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But yeah, it is, it is kind of
interesting.

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And what I'm kind of going to
circle back a little bit because

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you, you know, growing up in
Brooklyn can really identify

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with people and pets who are
living in those types of

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environments where they're not
touching the grass.

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A dog may I like living in a
high rise, Like when are they

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going to unless their pet parent
is very intentional about

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getting them into a park
somewhere or like when are they

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even going to touch grass?
And one of the things is that a

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company that I think we both
know and love is really

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passionate about doing is
bringing that outside into the

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food bowl.
And I'm curious like if that's

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also something that you talk to
pet parents about because, you

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know, like you said, life is
busy.

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We have to do lists, we have
things to do.

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Like are there other ways in
which you might coach people

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into into bringing like a more
natural rhythm back into their

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pet pets lives?
I mean, depending on your

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environment, there's so many
things now that you can bring

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like indoors, right?
They have these gardens, these

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small little gardens, these
tower gardens that you can, that

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you can buy that have that grow
lettuces and herbs and all sorts

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of things.
Like you could put that on a

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patio, you could put it in your
house by a window.

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And they have these mats, these
grounding mats now, like little

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sheets that just give off this
electromagnetic, you know,

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pulses of, you know, to balance
out the energies.

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I mean, animals love to sit on
that stuff.

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You know, it brings the IT
brings the outside to the

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inside.
You know, I think that any way

446
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,760
that you could do it, you know,
you want to get some dirt from

447
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,960
outside, bring it in.
Have I mean, dogs need to smell

448
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:47,880
things.
Yeah.

449
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,280
And so there's there's nature
everywhere, like even in even in

450
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,640
New York City and and, you know,
Brooklyn, they have, they do

451
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,440
have parks.
They have, I mean, we had this

452
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,960
one tree in our, on our street
and it, you know, there's

453
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,880
concrete and then there's a tree
and then there's like a block of

454
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,520
concrete around it and then
there's like some dirt, right?

455
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,760
And then there's a tree.
And it was actually this one

456
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,120
tree.
It was a ginkgo tree that was

457
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,840
growing in on our street.
And I didn't know it at the

458
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,600
time, but it was like a very, we
had, we had oaks in, in this

459
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,840
ginkgo tree and it was just
very, it was a very cool and

460
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,800
very different tree in.
But it, what I just thought of

461
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,760
right now with the oak trees and
your, and your question was

462
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,040
that, I mean, in, in cities, we
have seasons, you know, we don't

463
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,760
have seasons in, in San Diego
too much, but we have fall in

464
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,640
that, you know, in the East
Coast, there's fall and then

465
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,640
leaves fall and there's piles of
leaves or dried out leaves.

466
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,200
And so, you know, throw your
puppy in a pile of leaves, you

467
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,480
know, or like bring just, you
have to be creative.

468
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,080
I feel like if you keep a
childlike mentality and, and

469
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,560
create and be creative, like how
can I bring the outside inside?

470
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,480
You know, there's always ways.
I mean, people are creative,

471
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,200
they'll figure it out.
Just don't be attached to not

472
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:19,880
making a mess.
So am I correct in that you use

473
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,680
bioenergetic scans?
I do not currently do that you.

474
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,840
Don't currently do that.
OK, Then I'll need to cut that

475
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,640
out.
OK.

476
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,080
So you have talked a little bit
though.

477
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,840
You've talked about acupuncture,
you talked about Chinese

478
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,600
medicine or you know, herbs,
homeopathy.

479
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,840
These are all things that, well,
homeopathy, I think it's

480
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,640
interesting because you know
earlier said like you do the

481
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,680
emergency medicine and then we
kind of follow up with a lot of

482
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,280
the more holistic modalities.
I know a lot of people and you

483
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,800
know, obviously most pet parents
probably don't know this, but a

484
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,600
lot of pet parents who are
really into homeopathy can use

485
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,200
that certain homeopathic
remedies in emergency situations

486
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,360
to get them like to while you're
in transport to like an

487
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,080
emergency agency room.
Is that something that you also

488
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,400
kind of educate people on so
that they maybe can have a

489
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,960
toolbox with them?
Yeah, I mean, I'm in in certain

490
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,400
lectures that I do and not
every, you know, obviously you

491
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,240
can see that there's a lot going
on here, right?

492
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,200
And I could tell you that most
people when you start

493
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,360
introducing, if they're not, if
they're not seasoned or I did

494
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,960
into holistic healthcare, it's
completely new to them.

495
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,360
And so it's kind of like putting
your toe in the water because if

496
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,280
you, if I start to tell them,
oh, you could do this, this,

497
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,440
this, this, this, this, this,
this, this, and then this,

498
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,400
they're completely overwhelmed
and they don't know where to

499
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,560
start.
And so there's this kind of

500
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,480
little nuance about like, so
where do you, what do you, how

501
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,120
do you start?
Because I could tell people

502
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,400
like, yeah, you could, you
should go out and get this

503
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,120
homeopathic remedy.
It's really good for seizures.

504
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,360
And this is good for bug bites,
you know, and, and you can have

505
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,160
that in your little toolbox and
they'll be like, OK, thanks.

506
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,880
And that's the end of that, you
know, it never happens, you

507
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,160
know, so but I try, you know, I
try.

508
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,040
It depends.
Usually these those kind of

509
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,360
introductions to different
modalities comes out in sort of

510
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,800
organic conversations as we
build a relationship.

511
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:37,320
You know, I mean, unless they,
unless they invite them to a

512
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,040
course that I'm taking, I'm
giving and say, OK, learn

513
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,440
everything you have to learn and
do that because there's a lot of

514
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,960
holistic veterinarians that are
doing that.

515
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,320
They offer courses, right, to
try to get pet parents to have a

516
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,560
more global thing.
But and I mean, the first and

517
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,960
foremost, we all talk about diet
because that seems to be the one

518
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,960
where everyone falls short on to
begin with.

519
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,440
You know, it was that diet
conversation and then the the

520
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,720
microbiome helping to
reestablish the health of that,

521
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,400
which which helps with the gut
brain access and it helps with

522
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,760
anxiety.
You know, can you kind of have

523
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:13,120
to do all of these things.
So it's like, where do you

524
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,280
start?
You know.

525
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,440
And and and you just start with.
People are more comfortable

526
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,480
starting, which is usually the
food.

527
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,120
Yeah.
I mean, it's definitely the

528
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,880
thing that I think we feel like
we have the most control over

529
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,600
day-to-day.
It's it's something that we can

530
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:37,360
like, you know, it's very
tactile.

531
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,400
It's very, it's something that
we, I think kind of innately

532
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,040
just as like, you know, being
human beings.

533
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,960
No, like we have this relation
to other human beings, but also

534
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,159
animals in that like we're
sharing.

535
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,120
Love.
When we share food, yeah.

536
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,600
Or at least that's how it should
be.

537
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,720
That's how it should be.
I agree with that.

538
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,200
I love, I, I love food.
I love to cook food.

539
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,640
I have a good relationship with
food and, you know, I like

540
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,800
fresh, organic things and, and
you know, that translates into

541
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,800
my family and my, my animals,
You know, right?

542
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,000
In the veterinary world, that's
not the norm, right?

543
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,920
Conversation with, with, with
pet parents, right?

544
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:29,200
They're told to, to eat
processed foods and prescription

545
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:34,040
processed foods, and they're
also told not to eat any other

546
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,040
food than that by a trusted
resource, which is their

547
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,400
veterinarian.
So that's where the problem

548
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,960
starts, you know, because we
need it's, that's not, that's

549
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:51,560
not a true narrative.
So you have to sort of untie the

550
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,200
knots, right?
And because I, I have met people

551
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,720
that are so afraid, afraid of
feeding real food to their

552
00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:01,600
animals that they won't do it.
They will watch their animals

553
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,920
starve.
And I, I don't understand that,

554
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,640
you know, just, and, and I, and
I blame, honestly, I blame the

555
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,960
vets.
I blame the veterinarians for

556
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,400
put instilling that sense of
fear in them, you know?

557
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,440
It is.
I know I've said this so many

558
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,120
times.
I have had on multiple occasions

559
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:24,440
that are either veterinarians or
a tech, a vet tech that that's

560
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,880
the one that gets me.
Like like I I can see clear as

561
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,520
day in my head a vet tech
walking up to me at an emergency

562
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,760
hospital telling me if I didn't
feed this prescription kennel to

563
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,760
my cat, I was going to kill my
cat.

564
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:46,160
And like, that just breaks my
heart because I know it's

565
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,160
happening to so many people and
they're like, well, I don't want

566
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,480
my cat to die or my dog to die,
right?

567
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,200
Like, and I don't want to be
responsible for them dying.

568
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,680
It's it breaks my heart so so
much.

569
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,880
I don't know what to say.
I mean, that's why I want to

570
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:07,040
empower people.
So kind of circles back to the

571
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,440
energy thing, right?
Because when you empower people

572
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:17,880
to get into their heart space,
you have a deep connection with

573
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,320
your inner knowing and your
intuition and you have this,

574
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:28,440
this level of trust that comes
from your own inner source,

575
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,520
right?
And so when that is established

576
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:37,640
inside of you, then you have
this, you're empowered to be in

577
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,600
front of people like that, you
know, and say, you know, that

578
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,840
doesn't sit right with me, you
know, can you give me more

579
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,080
information about that?
Or is there some research you

580
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,160
can show me?
Or, you know, you can either

581
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,680
call them out or make them prove
what they're saying.

582
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,800
Or you could just say, OK, thank
you for your information and

583
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,760
just walk away and just do
something else.

584
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,360
You know, you have the, you have
that choice to, to, to decide if

585
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,760
you want to engage in a
conversation or you just want to

586
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,400
ignore what they said and just
move on.

587
00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:15,640
But you don't come from a place
of like you're feeling uncertain

588
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:20,520
or attacked or fearful.
You know, and that that goes

589
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,160
across the board for everything,
not just food for every

590
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,720
conversation that you have.
Because you know, there's that

591
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,920
ancient saying.
The heart knows.

592
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,920
The heart always knows.
Except we've lost.

593
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,880
We've lost the way to our heart.
They say that the the longest

594
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,800
Rd. is between your heart and
your head.

595
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,840
Oh my gosh.
Right.

596
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,600
Yes.
We've lost our way and, and when

597
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,560
we find that way back,
everything becomes much more

598
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,400
clearer and then simple.
And you're not, you're not

599
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:53,120
afraid anymore, You know, with
the sense of knowing there is No

600
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,840
Fear.
And I say that because that

601
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:03,240
translates into everything like
say, even in the ER as, as a

602
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,640
seasoned ER doctor, knowing what
I know when something comes in,

603
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,360
whether it's one case, 2 cases,
3 cases, 4 cases all at once.

604
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:19,920
I, I maintain this sense of calm
usually, unless it's usually, I

605
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,840
mean, it's a lot going on, but
usually because I have this like

606
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,240
the bird's eye view of the
situation and I can triage it

607
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:31,360
and I can discern like who needs
my attention 1st and, and know

608
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,800
what I need to do and how to
implement what I, what I need,

609
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,840
how to delegate that into the
situation with the text that I

610
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,720
have.
So there's a level of control

611
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,320
that comes from a place of
knowing, right?

612
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,640
And I remember what I felt like
when I was very new to the

613
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,560
situation and how I was like, Oh
my God, what do I do?

614
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,240
You know, there was fear because
I didn't know.

615
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,640
So when you know, that fear goes
away because you're like, OK, I

616
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:01,320
got this.
So.

617
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,280
And even if you don't know what
to do, ultimately you know what

618
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,720
to do next.
I had to write that down because

619
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,080
that's just so powerful with a
sense of knowing there is No

620
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,800
Fear.
I love that so much.

621
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,880
So one other thing I'm curious
about with kind of the whole

622
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,880
like energy part of this, I know
blood work, for example, we're

623
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,840
just doing, you know, complete
blood panel or whatever we're

624
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:31,360
doing with with our animals.
It can take, it can take a while

625
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:35,040
for things to be breaking down
in the body before we see that

626
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,160
in the blood work.
Do you often get a sense of what

627
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,400
whatever you're doing, whatever
type of energy work you're

628
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,480
doing, do you often come up with
things that are like

629
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,880
contradictory two maybe blood
panels or labs that you're like

630
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,680
or or does it just help you
interpret them better?

631
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,400
Maybe?
I'm curious how like you're

632
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:03,800
blending all of this.
Well, I mean, lab work is a

633
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,560
piece of information, right?
It's just part of one piece of

634
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,040
the puzzle.
And it depends on the type of

635
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,120
lab work you're you're doing,
right?

636
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,480
Sure.
Different lab work.

637
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:21,040
So your basics, you know, CDC
chemistry profile is a very

638
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,880
superficial, you know, kind of
lab work.

639
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:28,880
It's not like your nutrient
profiles or your mitochondrial

640
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,280
function, right?
Or your your vitamin mineral

641
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,320
toxin.
It's not, it's not that, right?

642
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,840
Those have a little bit of a
deeper essence.

643
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,200
You know, what's cellular level?
This is more of an organ level

644
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,200
kind of thing.
And so for instance, people say,

645
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,320
can you diagnose cancer on blood
work?

646
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,080
And I was like, I'm like, yeah,
you know, if your dog is really,

647
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,800
really sick and his blood work
is completely normal, he has

648
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:01,240
cancer, which is so interesting
because, because I have seen

649
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:05,360
dogs whittled with masses inside
their abdomens inside that, you

650
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,560
know, with their liver tumors
and mesenteric tumors, whatever.

651
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,520
It's like just cancer on the
inside.

652
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,040
And their lab work is completely
normal.

653
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,920
And so it's a piece of a puzzle
and, and everything that you,

654
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,480
every piece of information, you
have to take it into context of

655
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,160
what's happening in the system.
You know, so I don't panic when

656
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:33,840
I have a cat that comes in and
the creatinine is 15, you know,

657
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,280
I mean, he's acting sick, but
that doesn't mean it's a death

658
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,440
sentence for this cat.
Because with proper care in the

659
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,920
ER, right, getting his, maybe
getting him on some IV fluids.

660
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,640
And, you know, I like to use
Chinese herbs for that to help

661
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,000
increase, you know, blood flow
to the kidneys, you know, when

662
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,720
when the inflammation is gone.
But in the acute phases of

663
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,920
kidney failure, it needs some,
it needs fluids and it needs

664
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,120
support and maybe some
antibiotics if you have an

665
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,880
infection and drugs to help you
feel less nauseous because

666
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,520
they're nauseous, right?
And so you, you help that.

667
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,520
And then you see the creatinine
levels come down.

668
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,960
You know, one day they're 15,
the next day they're 12, the

669
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,400
next day they're 8.
And then maybe this cap

670
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,760
baseline's at 8.
And that's his new norm.

671
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:23,400
But that's super high.
I mean, a high upper level of

672
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,480
creatinine, maybe 1.9 is, is
kind of acceptable.

673
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,680
And then if you have a
creatinine of eight, most

674
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,480
veterinarians might say, Oh my
God, your cat has, you know,

675
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:40,480
horrible kidney disease and you
should consider quality of life

676
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,560
and putting him to sleep.
And then so I look at the cat,

677
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,840
I'm like, OK, well, what's he
doing?

678
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,320
He's walking around, he's
eating.

679
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,720
He's seems like he doesn't know
he has a crack, you know, 8 no.

680
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,480
And so that's his new norm.
So let's support the system

681
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,320
where they're at.
And that's when you start doing

682
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,320
all the integrative things, you
know, like the acupuncture and

683
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,680
the Chinese herbs and the
homeopathy and the massage

684
00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:06,920
therapy and the food therapy,
you know, things like that.

685
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,960
And the icing on that is the
energetics where you have to

686
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:18,240
help the owners not be in a
place of fear and panic, right?

687
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,880
And anticipation that their
animals going to die at any

688
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:26,040
moment, because that always
seems to be that next level.

689
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:30,800
That it is something that I I
find that more difficult than

690
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:33,040
anything.
If I'm working with with a

691
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:40,040
client for their pet, trying to
get their anxiety, I'm trying to

692
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:46,600
get them like as the pet parent
to get them to, I mean for back

693
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,120
of a lack of a better word, like
just to chill the fuck out,

694
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,960
Chill, chill out.
You know, just like take a step

695
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:59,560
back and like watch your dog or
your cat playing and enjoying

696
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,000
life and like, you know, leaning
into that more.

697
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,920
That's what I find to be like
the most difficult part.

698
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,960
Right.
Well then that goes back to the

699
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,240
original conversation of our
disconnect.

700
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,280
With.
And the harmony in nature,

701
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,920
because if you have this
connection between that and this

702
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,200
understanding of the cycles of
life and then how nature unfolds

703
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:28,960
itself, then the concept of life
and death come into play.

704
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,520
And then the concept of living
comes into play, you know, and

705
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,760
how are you going to live
between those two moments?

706
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,760
You know?
And, you know, I think Albert

707
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,600
Einstein said, you know, you
could go through life is if

708
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,400
everything is a miracle or if
nothing was a miracle, you know,

709
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,520
and it's that it's just then you
seem like you're more, you're

710
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,440
OK.
You know, when we're more

711
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,760
present in the moment and
mindful of what's happening, we

712
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,160
become appreciative and, and
have more gratitude for what we

713
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,560
have in the moment, right?
It's always being present and in

714
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,200
the moment is the most helpful
for any of that because in the

715
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,560
moment, you have your cat that's
in front of you.

716
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,560
He's purring, he's eating, he's
loving on you, and that's it.

717
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,760
That's all that's happening.
You know, he's not festering

718
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,760
about a creatinine of eight, you
know, and he's not thinking

719
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,760
about the day you're not there
with him.

720
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,720
And so you, you shouldn't be
doing that either.

721
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,360
It doesn't benefit you.
It doesn't benefit the cat.

722
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,720
You know why?
Why keep thinking about the day

723
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:35,080
you're going to die and not
spend the time thinking about

724
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:39,960
how you're living?
So powerful so I feel like I

725
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,760
feel like I tell people all the
time like my podcast is my

726
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,640
favorite thing that I do and for
so many reasons because I get to

727
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,880
meet wonderful people like you
for the fact that like I'm

728
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,000
learning just like everybody
else is learning.

729
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:57,120
That's listening to this, but
also a lot of times I feel like

730
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,800
whatever messages are coming
that day, whoever I am talking

731
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,160
to that day, it's like I needed
to hear.

732
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,760
I don't know who is out there is
listening and who also feels

733
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,400
that way, but like I needed to
hear that.

734
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:13,200
And I definitely feel like I
needed to hear so much of what

735
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,360
you said today.
And I know, I know that you have

736
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:23,800
a recurring kind of like a, a
live podcasty type thing with a

737
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,880
dear friend of both of ours, Pam
Russell with perfectly holistic.

738
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,880
So that's definitely somewhere
where people can find you and

739
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,120
listen to a lot more of what you
have to say.

740
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,720
But I heard you say something
earlier about courses.

741
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,360
Yeah.
So I am in the process of

742
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:44,120
developing courses because I
think that they're a really good

743
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,400
way for people to get
information.

744
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,880
And so it's not currently out
yet, but it hopefully will be

745
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,320
soon.
One of the courses, it's called

746
00:47:54,360 --> 00:48:00,120
the Bio Epic protocol, which I
really, I really like it.

747
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,000
It's, it's, it's going to be a
wonderful course for a lot of

748
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,600
people.
And what it does, it unpacks all

749
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,240
the layers of healing through
the, the four layers, which I

750
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:14,320
call bio Epic EPIC.
So it's the bio, energetic,

751
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,560
biophysical, biointelligence and
biochemical.

752
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,880
And so when we learn about all
of these things with everything

753
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,920
is important in the picture, you
know, you, you still, you still

754
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,640
need to eat, you still need to
drink, you still need to, you

755
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,760
know, you need to detox, your
body sweats, your body

756
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,360
eliminates.
So we're human, we're

757
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:39,680
biological, ooey gooey systems
in, but we're fueled by energy.

758
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,920
And when you, when you can tap
into that energy on a, on a

759
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,800
daily basis, you can recharge
your batteries and give your

760
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,440
body what it needs.
I mean, I, I did a deep dive

761
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,200
into the mitochondria, the
little powerhouse of our cells,

762
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,400
right?
Without them, you're you, you

763
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,080
die, right?
And they are health.

764
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,240
Mitochondrial health is always a
big topic in regenerative

765
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,600
medicine and in just holistic
healthcare to begin with, you

766
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,160
know, support your mitochondria,
right?

767
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,240
At all costs, support your
mitochondria.

768
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:16,880
And OK, so how do you do that?
The two simplest ways for you to

769
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:24,080
support your mitochondria is to
give it oxygen and light, right?

770
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:29,800
Electrons and oxygen molecules.
And so that means going out in

771
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,360
the sun and taking deep breaths.
And that's kind of if you, if

772
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,080
you go out in the morning or
find a a time where it's

773
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,560
beautifully sunny, usually dawn
and dusk are these sweet spots

774
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,320
for meditations and
mitochondrial health.

775
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,840
The body really resonates with
those frequencies as they're

776
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:52,320
coming in and have this mindful
intention to support your

777
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,360
mitochondria.
When you're doing that, you're

778
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,000
going to start to feel that you
are feeling better.

779
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,040
So little daily practices like
that.

780
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,600
And because everything is like,
it's all one thing in a circle

781
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,880
of life.
And you know, I always ask

782
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,320
yourself if everything is a
circle, where's the starting

783
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:16,240
point in a circle?
And literally it's just pick a

784
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:20,760
point and go start there.
You can start anywhere in a

785
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,840
circle.
I love that so much because I

786
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,200
think that's one thing that like
inevitably we always ask,

787
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,120
whoever's talking is always
asking like where do we start?

788
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,680
And everybody has a different
place, right?

789
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,760
So I love that explanation so
much.

790
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,360
Like just pick up, just pick a
place.

791
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:38,440
It does.
It doesn't matter.

792
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,280
Just pick a place.
I love that.

793
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,840
Yeah, because it will lead you.
I call you following the bread

794
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,360
crumbs.
You know, it'll lead you one

795
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,600
place will lead you to another
place, will lead you to another

796
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,360
place, and then you'll go, Oh, I
remember that I'm going to add

797
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,800
some, some greens to my food or
oh, I remember that I'm going to

798
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,880
go out for a walk.
And you know, it's, it's just

799
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,640
that we all have a toolbox and
then we don't always use all the

800
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,800
tools in our toolbox.
Oh, for sure, you.

801
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,000
Know we just we, but we know
they're there and I think

802
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,640
sometimes just knowing that
they're there is enough.

803
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,080
Honestly, sometimes just knowing
that it's right there, that the

804
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,320
possibility that it can, it can
have an effect, which is an

805
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,120
interesting concept in and of
itself.

806
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,920
You know, it's like the brain is
it our bodies and our brains and

807
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,400
our, our neuroendocrine systems
are so in tune with our thoughts

808
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:36,480
and our emotions that the body
doesn't discern the difference

809
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:42,240
between an experience that
you've had and thought that

810
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:46,560
you've had.
So, and that's why Dreamtime is

811
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,080
so powerful.
That's why people have, will

812
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,800
have a dream and feel like they,
they, you know, they, they died,

813
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,440
right?
Or they have dreams and they

814
00:51:55,440 --> 00:52:00,840
feel amazing, you know, and it's
like, wow, I feel like that just

815
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,960
happened.
You know, I mean, I, I've had

816
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,040
dreams where I'm kissing some
like amazing, beautiful human

817
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,280
being that I don't even know
existed.

818
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:16,080
And then I and I and I wake and
I wake up like, Oh my God, I'm

819
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,880
in love.
Like who is this person?

820
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,840
Oh my goodness, I know.
I feel like I could talk about

821
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,480
dreams forever too, because I
have, I actually spent a really

822
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,840
long time, I don't know if I
wasn't dreaming or if I just

823
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,800
didn't remember my dreams.
That's hard, you know, a hard

824
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,920
discernment to make.
But I've been very intentional

825
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,840
about trying to remember my
dreams lately and have I've

826
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:42,360
definitely had like a lot of big
life changes in the past year as

827
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,920
well and have been doing a lot
of shadow work.

828
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,120
And like I've definitely seen
that come through in my dreams.

829
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,080
And that is it's powerful.
It's very powerful.

830
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,040
Our dreams are a lot more
powerful than we think, which

831
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,440
makes me wonder so much about
our pets dreams.

832
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,600
But you know, I don't, I don't
even know how people analyze all

833
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,360
of that.
That's that's beyond my.

834
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,840
Yeah, well, you know, it's the
dreams.

835
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,720
The the dreams are are your
subconscious that are coming

836
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,280
through.
But it's very interesting that

837
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,040
and I've had conversations with
Mike's subconscious before and

838
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,760
asked it like, why is it so
encrypted?

839
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,920
Yeah.
Why, what, what, why can't you

840
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,880
just say what you want to say?
Likewise have to be meshed in

841
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,760
these weird timelines and, and,
and symbology, right?

842
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:37,040
And codes that are, you know,
and you know, one of the answers

843
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,800
that I got was that your
subconscious is always driving

844
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:47,040
you to creation and to be
creative and to use your

845
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:51,960
imagination because it's, it's
where when you take imagination

846
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,040
plus and creation is this
ultimate place of well-being.

847
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,960
And it's sort of it forces you
to use your imagination.

848
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,920
You know, when you're, when
you're, but when you're running

849
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,400
through a forest and you're
being chased by a bear, you

850
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,920
know, like, what does that mean?
Like who's the bear?

851
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,960
You know, the bear represents,
you know, my mother or my father

852
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,000
or some authority figure that
I'm running away from, like,

853
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,480
like what you know.
And so there's all these when I,

854
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,160
you know, when I started doing
because I dreamt so much, I did

855
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,680
a lot of dream research and
dream interpretations.

856
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,840
And there are these universal
things that sort of have a

857
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,320
theme, you know, what it means.
And then there's your

858
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,440
interpretation of what it means
for you, you know, and everybody

859
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,600
knows what their dreams mean for
them.

860
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,840
And you just need a little bit
of the questions, you know,

861
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:48,000
like, and I'll and I'll work
with people to help interpret

862
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,440
their dreams and they'll tell
me.

863
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,040
And I was like, OK, well, what
did that mean for you?

864
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,360
You know, what was the
significance for that?

865
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,600
And as soon as you start asking
people these questions, they

866
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,080
know, you know that all.
And you get, and then you get

867
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:08,720
these people like, Oh my God, I
just realized that that was, you

868
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:13,000
know, what I needed to do.
Like, and then they just go out

869
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,120
and they change their lives or
quit their jobs or I don't know.

870
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,400
Yeah, yeah, we know.
We know.

871
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,080
We know so much.
We really, really do.

872
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,080
And it's, it's not even, it's
not in here.

873
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,080
It's out here.
The knowing is out here in this

874
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:33,960
field of information, you know,
and that gets you into the

875
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,520
quantum realm and talks and
talking about, you know, quantum

876
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:42,000
realities and the matrix, you
know, of, of where your mind is

877
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,120
and where thoughts come from.
And, you know, the, the

878
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:49,120
collective consciousness, you
know, that's a whole other kind

879
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,920
of beautiful conversation to
have.

880
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,880
And, and it's, it's when you
sort of take all of that and you

881
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,960
put it into this one moment, you
realize that ultimately you're

882
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:03,400
all, you're all OK.
Like it's it's all OK, just.

883
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,320
After talking with Doctor Barry
Sands, we well, after recording,

884
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,400
we talked a little bit more
about her work.

885
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,960
She's such an incredible human
being.

886
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,320
But she wanted me to make sure
that, you know, there is a free

887
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,400
survey on her website,
doctorbarrysands.com.

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That's DRBARRIESANDS com.
You can also find that in the

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show notes if you just want a
direct link to it.

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And you can get a free copy of
the ten ways to create optimum

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Wellness for you and your pet.
There is a quick survey for you

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to take and I know she would
love for you take the survey

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because she is compiling a data
set.

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But I just absolutely love how
and you'll see on the website

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she has something that she calls
alumina Sciencia, which is

896
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combining the OR bridging the
gap.

897
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,400
Excuse me, I want to get the
wording right.

898
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Bridging the gap between science
and spirit or mysticism and

899
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building, building a bridge to
higher consciousness that allows

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us to experience with elegance
and divinity, the essence of

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00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,200
being in the moment and knowing
that everything just is.

902
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:35,600
So go to Doctor Berry sands.com.
That's Dr. Berry sands.com and

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00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,160
Scroll down just a little bit.
On the homepage there is a

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section that says get a free
copy of the ten ways to create

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00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,760
optimum Wellness for you and
your pet.

906
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,600
And then it says click here to
take the survey.

907
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,080
The survey is about the human
animal bond.

908
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:56,040
It doesn't take very long to
take the survey and I know

909
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,200
Doctor Barry would love for you
to do that.

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00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,280
Go ahead and and take that
survey, get your free download

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and stay on top of what Doctor
Barry is doing because honestly,

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she is an incredible human
being.

913
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,160
She's.
So inspiring.

914
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,880
I always love seeing her and
talking to her, and I'm just

915
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,840
really glad that she came on to
talk to me and all of you.

916
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,640
All right pet parents, you
already know that I talk all the

917
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,680
time about needing to stop as
much as we possibly can.

918
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,960
Feeding our fur babies garbage,
for lack of a better word.

919
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That's what we talk about here a
lot.

920
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,960
And again, doing the best we
can.

921
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,560
That is the message above any
and everything else.

922
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,440
The more we learn, the more we
know we need to make some

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changes.