UPDATE: Bird Flu and Raw Dairy Milk . . . Weekly Pet Roundup

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How are you guys?
Hello, everybody.

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Yeah, it's really dark outside.
We're actually getting snow

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right now.
There's snowing right outside my

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door, my window.
Yes, it's not sticking.

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It's definitely more than
flurries, but it's not sticking.

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But yeah, in El Paso, TX, we're
getting snow today.

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The Northeast El Paso area, I'm
in the on the West side.

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The Northeast El Paso has a lot,
actually.

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We live right by the mountains,
so the mountains kind of block

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us a little bit from anywhere
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We we, we really don't get a lot
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sunshine, which is why my office
is set up for some sunny days.

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Yeah, Oh my God, today.
It's like I have an overhead

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light on.
I have my.

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Spring Light.
My ring light.

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On Yeah.
And it's just so dark outside.

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Yeah, it's we're getting a storm
coming through as well and it's

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just barely started to rain.
But the barometric pressure has

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already gotten.
Kim is just.

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I can't with her already.
My husband's supposed to be

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walking the dogs right now
because I didn't get to walk

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them this morning.
I usually walk them in the

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afternoon in the winter because
it's chillier and I like the

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warmer part of the day to walk.
But yeah, I mean, there's some.

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You're going to get snow then.
I don't.

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Where you are, I think we are.
I don't think we.

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Dallas is supposed to get right.
Dallas is supposed to get.

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No, I don't know.
Yeah, Dallas is supposed to get

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snow.
I know Atlanta's supposed to get

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snow.
It's, I mean, a lot of places

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are supposed to be getting.
I've seen snow in like

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Pennsylvania, Virginia, like
that area.

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Yeah.
I.

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LLPJ, OK.
I'm excited.

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Yeah.
Actually, I would like to get

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this over with because I've had
so much anxiety over this

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because I gave you incorrect
information on Monday.

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And I hate, I hate.
I beat myself up more than

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anybody else ever could.
Who was that?

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That said, oh, Whispering Hills
Homestead says it's been snowing

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for four days in Vermont.
I've seen that too with magical

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nuts, Michelle.
But OK, so here's here's what

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happened.
I was wrong.

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I was wrong.
And I, I, as much as I hate

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being wrong, the point is to get
you the correct information.

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And so I always want to do that.
And what happened, what had

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happened was I went down so
many, so many rabbit holes for

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this bird flu thing that I
actually, I, I went to the CD CS

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website and it says, and I
quote.

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Based on the limited research
and information available, we do

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not know at this time if AB and
influenza A viruses can be

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transmitted to people through
consumption of raw milk and

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products such as cheese made
from raw milk and infected cows.

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I ran with it and I was like,
OK, Nope, it's not, it's not

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happening.
Well, a friend reached out to me

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and said, Are you sure?
Because I found the opposite.

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And so I had to go down the
rabbit hole again.

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And here's the thing.
Now, currently, even though that

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is still up on the CD CS website
and I'm linking to it in a new

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blog post that I'm writing, that
is still up on the website for

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the CDC.
On other pages of the website

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for the CDC, it does say that
they have one confirmed human

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infection with a person with
exposure to dairy cows.

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That's still a little.
Like dairy cows or raw dairy?

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Milk, right?
That's where I'm like, I don't

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know.
However, there were roughly 30

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cats on a Texas farm in the
Panhandle that got sick that

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tested positive for H5 N one
after drinking raw milk from

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cows that tested positive for H5
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So the conclusion was I think 16
of those 30 cats did end up

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passing away and they passed
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It took them apparently it took
60 days for veterinarians to

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conclude that they died from H5
N one from the raw milk from the

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cows.
However, again and I won't be on

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the rabbit hole because the farm
itself in Texas, the dairy farm,

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they are not.
They have not released what

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farm.
This is because I wanted to go

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and look and see what other
animals were being raised on

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that farm.
But what I did find is that many

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local Texas news outlets, I
didn't find any national news

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outlets, but Texas news outlets
were confirming that they found

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many wild dead birds on the prop
same property that were tested

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positive for H5 N 1.
So even though they are saying

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that these cats died from
drinking infected raw milk from

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cows, I'm not personally.
I just want to bring you the

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information.
Personally I'm not convinced

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because they also had access to
and possibly even haunted birds

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that were found dead on the
property that worked that tested

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positive for the same virus.
So that's where I'm at with it.

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I'm just going to say that I was
wrong because it does appear

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that cows infected with H5 N one
do pass on the virus and the raw

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milk.
However, the research in because

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right now it is actually
spreading from cow to cow.

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So the this subtype of the
influenza A virus seems to have

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mutated a little bit to be able
to spread from cow to cow.

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And my question that I have not
found anybody answering yet is

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we know that the the subtype
that birds have is highly,

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highly, highly pathogenic for
cats and mostly fatal for cats.

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Is the subtype that now is being
spread between cattle as

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infectious for cats?
I don't know.

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Does that make sense?
Am I making sense with my train

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of thought here?
So according to a VMACDC, the

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media, like according to all of
them, they are saying, yes, raw

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milk infected with H5 N 1 is
contagious like you can, cats

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are cats and possibly humans are
able to be infected.

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I just haven't found any
conclusive evidence that that is

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true.
I'm just saying that this is

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what they're telling us.
So I think it's still like we're

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still going to have to stay on
top of this and figure it out

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for ourselves, in my opinion.
But those are the facts as I

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thought.
OK, so you took a stand the

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other day where you are not
going to change anything.

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So does this information inspire
you to change anything?

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No, I'm not convinced.
Now my cats don't drink Dairy

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Milk, right?
If my cats drank raw Dairy Milk,

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I might.
Yes, I probably would be a

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little bit more concerned
because of the fatality rate in

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cats.
I would still be comfortable

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drinking the raw cow's milk.
I don't think that I would give

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it to cats, though.
That's where I'm, yeah, that's

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where I would.
I'm not changing anything

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because I they don't get it and
I think most cats don't.

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But on a farm, cats mind.
So yeah, I probably would try to

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keep the cats away if unless
you're confident.

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I mean, again, we talked about
sourcing on Monday and being

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confident in your sourcing.
And if you own or run a farm or

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if you're purchasing directly
from a local farmer and you're

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confident in their sourcing and
you've talked to them about, you

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know, the steps they're taking,
the testing that they're doing

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and you feel confident, by all
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doing.
If you don't feel confident with

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it, you don't even know where
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no, I I don't think I would be
confident in it.

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OK.
As she said, chips raw milk.

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Yes, so I, yes, as I drink my
raw milk, I'm, I'm still

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drinking raw milk.
So on Monday we talked about

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most of what we talked about was
with food was with poultry, was

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with raw poultry and with cats
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I am still, I'm concerned like
I, I don't believe with, I don't

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think there's a whole lot of
conclusive evidence that

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commercial raw foods have caused
any problems, even though there

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have been two recalls.
The second recall, the first

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recall with Northwest Naturals,
the Oregon Department of

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Agriculture did not do what they
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I don't trust.
That one, yeah, The second one

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being that it was like a mom and
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It kind of, I mean probably a
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being sold in farmers markets in
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It's not a national brand.
I don't know anything about that

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company.
I don't know their packaging,

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their processing, their
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That may be, may be I don't
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And I bring that up because
there was, there is a second

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report saying why do I have
balloons on this?

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There's a second report out of
LA County's that that is saying

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that raw milk is a contributing
factor to four house cats in LA

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County who worked who tested
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Everything that I am finding so
far, these are the same 4 cats

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in the household with the cat
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pet food recall.
So I'm not sure how they're

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saying that it was from in one.
In one area they're saying it

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was from the raw poultry and in
the, and then the other report

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they're saying it's from the raw
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And from everything I can find,
I, I believe they're talking

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about the same for cats.
If I'm wrong about that,

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somebody please tell me that I
have, I have searched and

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searched and searched and I
think these are the same for

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cats.
So I'm not sure how they're

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saying it's from both of these
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I don't know.
So I'm just, I just want to give

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you the, the information that I
actually have found and tell you

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that, you know, I, I very, I was
wrong in what the experts are

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telling us.
The experts are telling us that

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it is pathogenic in raw milk.
I'm just and it's not sure.

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It's going to change like all of
this is going to change.

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This is this is not a new
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But no.
It's just what?

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Well, it's because there's more.
Happened so I, I did not find

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this when I was going down the
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weeks on this.
But then I saw Doctor Judy

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Morgan this morning posted that
a lab in Georgia performed gain

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of function research on H5 N one
to make it more infectious and

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mallards.
So I went and I found and that

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is there is a study that they
were like, did this actually

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happen?
And it appears to be true.

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So the study came out in 2024.
I don't, I don't know exactly

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when the gain of function
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there is a possibility that that
that is why it is so much more

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infectious at this point.
So yeah, there there is.

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And I put that in, I, I put that
in a blog.

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So I'm doing two different
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I'm doing one just on raw
poultry, raw pet food, and then

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I'm doing another one just on
raw dairy because I feel like

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there's enough information to
give them their own and

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resources to give them their own
blogs.

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So the one on raw pet food
includes that link and I posted

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that one today and I am
currently working on the one for

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the raw dairy drink milk to get
you all of the sources on that

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one.
So I was just beside myself and

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full of anxiety for having
provided incorrect information

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and I needed to get the the
correct information out.

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Oh.
My God, I did not know that you

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were so flipped out or else we
would have done this like

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Tuesday.
I needed some time to really go

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through everything and make sure
that I was giving the correct,

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what I feel is the correct
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Well, that's the problem with
these situations is that there's

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a lot of panic surrounding them
and people are forcing the CDC

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and this and that and the
Department of Agriculture to

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come up with answers.
And so they give hypotheses and

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then tomorrow it could be a
different hypotheses.

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So we have to stay informed.
And obviously, we'll be

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following you, Jessica and
Doctor Judy Morgan and just kind

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of keeping an eye.
I think like we talked about

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Monday, the people who have to
be really extra careful or

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anybody who's feeding raw
anything to cats, that's really

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the like the the highest risk
factor is for cats.

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We talked about the way that the
virus works and how it affects

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cats more than it does dogs, and
it proves fatal.

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And what did you say?
Like 99%.

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It's I don't have a percentage
on the cats everywhere I.

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Like 100 somewhere.
But then you just mentioned that

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16 out of the 20 died.
So maybe, yeah, yeah.

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So maybe not.
It doesn't.

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But still pretty.
High, it's very high.

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It's very like everywhere I look
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high incidence of fatality, like
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lot of data to actually get saw
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wrote a blog for one of my
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do believe it's was like up
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that is.
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why.
Like if it weren't so highly

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fatal, I wouldn't have such
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I don't.
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talked about, yes, it is
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It's just so much more rare that
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So I'm just like, I'm sorry, I
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And I mean.
I this is also I said raw

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anything but also remember that
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Yes.
Birds and stuff.

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So it's not just your fancy cats
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It's also your indoor outdoor
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Well, if you have like an
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your inside cats, that's.
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of changes that are constantly
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And on Monday I did direct you
guys to a all right, I told you

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about a video that Doctor Connor
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a deep dive of the statistics
from the last, well, 2020 to

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2024 basically.
Hey, BC how are you doing?

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I hope you're doing OK.
I've been thinking about you

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lately.
So with this actual statistics

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and showing that like the
intervention that we did was all

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wrong, it it makes no sense for
viral infections why we did it

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is up for you to decide.
I have my own, my own personal

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beliefs that I don't necessarily
need to share with you, but it's

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up for you to decide as to why
we did it.

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And hopefully we hopefully we
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So yeah, I, I would highly
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Connor Brady's video in the blog
post that I just published on

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the raw pet food portion of bird
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So I just put that in my stories
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of links in there for you to
check out everything that I

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found.
And I'm like I said, working on

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the raw dairy blog right now to
get you all of it.

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I'm not a big blog writer
anymore, but I feel like there

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were so many links to provide or
sources for resources on all of

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this that I wanted to aggregate
it all and that seemed to be the

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best.
Seemed to be the best way.

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That makes sense.
Absolutely keep your cat safe.

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No raw dairy.
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the raw dairy may not be super
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Just be extra cautious if you
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It doesn't hurt to be extra
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until we learn more.
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And I think the IT is primarily
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wild birds, especially migratory
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migratory birds and chicken and
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Chicken, if you have chickens
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in an outdoor coop, they can be
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the wild bird, the infected wild
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Keep your cats away from the
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All that good stuff.
Yeah, and if you find out that

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in your area, there's like, a
lot happening as far as cases

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are increasing, then even if you
have a cat that only goes

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outside every once in a while,
maybe bring them inside, like,

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keep them inside for the week
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Because, you know, we don't want
our beautiful household kitties

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exposed to something just like
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I mean, the weather is not good
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It's still snowing in El Paso.
It is so.

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Gross.
I'm not going to be taking him

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out anytime soon.
He doesn't even want to be in

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the patio so.
Aw, poor guy, it's too.

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Cold for him.
Like curled up, cuddled up, all

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safe and warm and cozy.
That's where I want to be.

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That's where I want to be too.
That's where I want to be.

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So guys, thank you for joining
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It was just a quick update.
Just obviously Jessica needed to

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get this off her chest.
She was so wrong, so wrong, so

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wrong.
And we say in in Catholic

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Church, in Catholic Mass, we say
by my doing, my doing, my doing,

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that's what you're reminding me
of.

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You're reminding me of like a
confessional in here.

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It is like, I'm so sorry.
I have, dear Father, I have

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saved.
I'm Catholic.

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So this is all bringing me back
to like my Catholic education.

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But you are fine, Jessica.
Thank you for deep diving for

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us.
Thank you for taking this so

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seriously and for, you know,
just making sure that you keep

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us all updated.
I know this is your passion and

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you're so knowledgeable, so we
never hold it against you if you

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report something that is
incorrect.

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Well, and technically you were
not incorrect.

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One of your sources was so.
Yeah, yeah, well, like, I mean,

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the CDC needs to get their act
together and like on one web

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page it says one thing, on one
one web page it says something

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totally different.
But the hey, you know what?

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I just, I should have, I should
have dug deep. 0 surprises there

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that the.
Government would.

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Not have it's all its ducks in a
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I guess pudding intended.
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So yeah, well, thank you guys
and if you're around in an hour

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and a half, I'm going live for
my episode of my podcast covered

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in pet hair.
I'm transitioning to an all

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live.
Yes, Jessica is awesome and full

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of knowledge.
Yes, she is.

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I'm going to transition to a
live format for my show.

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It's a boozy show for pet
lovers.

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I'm interviewing 2 PR experts in
the pet industry.

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We're going to talk about pet
trends in 2025.

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What's hot, what's not that kind
of stuff.

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So I'm going to go get a drink
soon because not only do I want

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to be cuddled up, I want to have
some like a hot toddy today.

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So join me at 3:00 Mountain
Standard Time for my show with

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Mary Tan and Alexander Ricard
from Whisker Media, the Whisker

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Report and Saving lives.
They're they're involved in

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those three organizations.
Awesome, that's so sweet of you

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BC by the way, thank you so
much.

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I appreciate you and I hope
you're doing well you and Kat.

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And I'm just so appreciative
that you guys didn't kill me

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After Monday's episode.
I'll repost.

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I took down, I'm going to repost
my graphics.

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I'm still trying to figure out.
I want to word it because I just

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don't believe it, but it is what
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Like I want to get you the best
information about my bias, and I

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have so much bias.
And you could say what they say,

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what I say, yeah.
And you can let your reader

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choose what they want to do.
Yes, yes, All right, y'all have

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a great weekend coming up.
Thank.

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You guys, we'll see you on
Monday and if you have any

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topics you want us to cover
Monday, let us know.

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Hopefully it won't be the same
topic.

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Hopefully there won't be much
going on to update you.

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I know that all.
Right.

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Bye, guys.