Weekly Pet Roundup: PET DANGERS with Elf on the Shelf

0:00 And how is everybody surviving the holidays? Because we are in it. We are in the holiday season is December 9th. I'm going with not well I well I I have not put a single decoration up which is very unlikely. I normally put 5 trees up like. Why 5? Because I like Christmas. I normally like Christmas and I have a big house. I have a room. 5 is a lot. I know. Your cats have their own, like domain, their own compound. I have one cat. Yeah, and they get their own.

0:41 Tree. They get their own tree usually. Yeah. What? Kind of tree do. They get, it's like, I mean it's really cute. Like it, it's a little 4 foot tree. I have a bunch of four foot tree. I actually have like 5-4 foot trees. I just didn't put all of them up last year. And so they get their own little 4 foot tree that's pre lit and then I put it has like cute little like miniature stockings on it and then some like Winnie the Pooh ornaments and stuff, stuff that's like for my other trees, they're generally themed. So my cat tree is kind of like crunchy. Crunchy how?

1:22 Like. Like like typical 90s, nothing matches. Kind of like and I I don't do that with my other trees. Like I, I like that. That's kind of how mine is most of the time. Like, kitschy, like kitschy kind of like, you know, just like a mishmash of sentimental things, is what? Mine is well, and I think when you have kids, especially young kids, like that's just kind of how it is. Well, right now I have the kids and the cat who does like attack the tree. So there were all anything that was glass or metal like heavy was not put out this year. Last year I didn't put out any ornaments. I just put out the tree. I remember that.

2:04 Yeah, so this year I did decorate with some ornaments that are not valuable. Some of them are beautiful, like wooden ornaments handmade in Europe, but they're not breakable, right? So like he, he could, he's not going to hurt them other than dropping them. And they won't break if they fall because they're solid wood. So those are fine. But I cannot light the tree. I'm not comfortable lighting the tree yet because he does get into it and I'm scared he'd be not like he'd gnaw on the on the wires. So right now I have like these little spotlights that I bought for my kids, like 5th birthday.

2:44 He was doing Sonic like glow in the dark at this like local place. And so I bought these little spotlights and I put them on the bottom of the tree in red and green for the kids to like kind of see some light in there. But yeah, it's not the same. I don't like love my tree. We actually bought this unlit tree last year, smallish and it's just like kind of plain because of the cat. I have a beautiful pre lit Christmas tree. I don't do natural trees. I don't like it. I feel like it's wasteful. I also worry about all of like the the fire hazard, especially because it's so dry here when it like, you know, like it can overheat.

3:26 I don't love the pets like drinking the water because of all the chemicals in there. So there's a lot of reasons why I like as much as I love a natural tree in like Ruidoso or Cloudcroft, which is like nearby, which is like a beautiful like very green wooded area. I love to see them there. But like here, I'd rather just do my made in China tree that I can use for years and years and years. And then once I'm done with it, I can give it away because they're usually still in such good shape for so long. They are that I feel like we can really use those over and over again. But yeah, Nope, no lights, no lights. Which sucks because it's like at night. Yeah, you want to see that Like it's very calming and comforting. And then yeah, I get that.

4:12 I get that. I don't think I like, I have plugged in trees in my cat room before, but I think the past couple years I didn't just out of like an abundance of caution, yeah. And you have older cats too, who are smarter. I feel like my cat is is actually really good. And he only now attacks the tree if I'm hanging another ornament on it. He's like, oh, we're doing this again. The day that I put it up, he was all over it, right? Like, Oh my gosh, couldn't get enough of it. But now that he's kind of gotten used to it being there, if I approach it and mess with it, then he's like, what are we doing? But otherwise, I don't think he spends any time in there. And I've been working from home all day today and I, I've not heard him mess with the tree once. I do think the kids are messing with the tree more than the cat. And they already asked where, when the, the, the presents are going to be put under the tree.

5:05 And we went to Disney This World this year. So we went to Disney World for like 2 weeks. It was very expensive trip. You know it just as much as you try to be responsible at Disney, you can't. So we that was the Christmas present for everybody like that. All the souvenirs we bought, all the things we did that was Christmas presents. So my in laws did send them some presents that I have to wrap this week and put under there. But I'm scared because they're at the age that I feel like they're going to open them. Yeah. And like I could even see maybe more Noah than Mila, but like trying to like sneakily open it and wrap re wrap it kind of that's. What I used to do as a kid, so I know him exactly. So I know him well enough to know that he would totally do that.

5:52 Mila's not like she doesn't have the malice yet. She'll develop, Yeah, I'm sure. But she's like, still little. But yeah. So we do have the elves to help us with that though. So the elves. So whoever's joining us that didn't see this is the weekly pet roundup. We do this every week about a different topic that's kind of trending. And this one is something that I recommended just because it's not trending as much as it should be. And it's the Elf on the Shelf trend, right? The these elves get into mayhem and you know, they have these antics every year from like December 1st through Christmas. And there's a lot of different variations of how the elves behave. But a lot of what you see online on social media is like them getting into messes.

6:40 And a lot of these, my mom thinks it's adorable. So she sends me these videos and a lot of these are very, very cute, super imaginative, super fun. However, they use some really dangerous ingredients for our pets. So I don't know how we aren't speaking about this more. I know for my clients, I've been encouraging them to talk about this topic, their pet industry businesses that you know, that they do a lot of marketing that's kind of content marketing where you like share information and best practices and stuff. And a couple of my clients have been putting out blogs about these elves this week and last week. But like, I haven't seen it enough. And that's why I wanted to talk about it because while it can be a fun tradition, we need to make sure we're not putting our four legged kids at risk, right?

7:28 While we're like making our two legged kids giddy with joy around the Christmas holiday. So I just want to say before we get into the whole like pet part of this, the reason that I am not a big fan of Elf on the Shelf is because they're there's some rationale for the idea that I don't what it's Sandra something I don't know who created it. So Elf on the Shelf has only been around since 2005 and somehow people, a lot of people like it is so ingrained in tradition that like people don't remember a time without.

8:14 I remember a time without. I never had it I. Never had it. I never had. No plans of implementing it in my home. I've never. Yeah, I never had. A0 interest in them because it wasn't part of my tradition at all. But the the marketing behind this came out strong. It is always from the very beginning said a Christmas tradition. And some of the lore behind this is that because she apparently said, and I was trying to find it on the website, but apparently she said that like this idea came to her from an elf from her childhood. And fairy or fairies are, if you have any, like knowledge of folklore.

8:59 And I think it's wise to maybe dabble in it just a little bit. We we don't know what we don't know. Like there is so much out there. Like literally there are there are like UUFOS over New Jersey right now that people are like, what is going on? Like it's OK to be like there's stuff that we don't know or understand in this. World, that person who says I have no idea, could be, could not be. And if there are UFOSI just don't want them to appear to me. Yeah, I don't want the way that I feel about witches. Sorry, she's just, she's just her. So it, and I don't want to get down the rabbit hole of the UFOs over in New Jersey right now, but I just say that to say that we don't know so much, so very much that nothing surprises me anymore.

10:03 And I don't take anything for like, I try not to be super naive about anything. Like, OK, I'm going to bank that. And I'm going to say right now, I don't know that I believe in that, but I'm going to bank it. Yeah, exactly. I completely agree. Like I I never say never. So fairies specifically if you get into this. So I went to, so I, I've seen like from people who have masters in folklore and things like that, like that. I, I have some weird stuff in my algorithm now. I went to ChatGPT. I have some weird stuff in my algorithm.

10:45 I love that so much. You do Harley beer? I can only imagine. I went to ChatGPT and I said act as if you have a master's in folklore and tell me why we do not want to invite Faye into our home and it gave me a whole bunch of reasons. Basically, they have their own sense of justice, etiquette, and logic that can be not just foreign but dangerous to humans. Inviting them into your home might obligate you to unknowable or unreasonable terms.

11:25 A casual welcome can be interpreted as permission to stay indefinitely or to act without constraint. They that that kind of sums it up, but there's a lot more. Like they it says they demand reciprocity. They they are literally the definition of give them an inch. They will take a mile misinterpretations, a lot of misinterpretations between humans and fae. Like you have to be Uber Uber specific and try to dot your IS and cross your T's and not leave any loopholes because they will find a loophole or make a loophole because they have their own set of rules that they live by. And it's they're very, very mischievous, tricky creatures.

12:08 And basically the, the kind of lore behind elf on the shelf is that this elf that this lady grew up grew up with, she made a deal with this fairy and said that she wanted to be rich. And the elf said let's do it because I want to be powerful. And so she has since made many, many, many, many, many, many millions of dollars and put this fairy in many, many homes, millions of homes. And basically people cannot remember like he is ingrained in Christmas tradition and people like he is. He is almost as powerful and all knowing and all seen as Santa who could potentially also be considered they. So I love you.

13:04 Thank. So much. You are such an oddball. I love you so much. You are such an oddball. This is not at all where the conversation was, I know, headed in my head, in my mind. I. Had this is not where we're going to start, but I love that we're starting here because I like, I'm not a huge fan of Elf on the Shelf either. And obviously giving like a carte blanche to like a creature in my home. I've already done that with Satchmo the angry dog and Van Gogh the the sweet cat and Kira the mess of nerves dog. So like I feel like I don't want to give up any more of my power to this home full of like we have 7 creatures in this home including myself. It's a lot of oh. My gracious Yeah.

13:45 But we don't need any more like influences here. I the so the Elf on the Shelf was given to me. I have two of them. I don't have one. I have two. OK, I have a male and a female. OK, I was given them by my friend Debbie who used to live up the street from me and she was, she gave me a ton of hand me downs, including these elves. And she was like, I'm going to give them to you. My kids already outgrew them. Her kids are teenagers now and you know, if you want to use them. So I didn't think much of it. My kids, I think we started it last year and, and in my case only because I was like, I already have them.

14:26 What do I do? Do I use them and like, you know, they're becoming trendy so I was like, I'll use them. So what we do with them in my house is they're actually the bringers of the candy of the advent calendar. They're the ones who bring the candy. That is it. They are not informants for for Santa Claus. They are, they're not sneaky, but they're kind of, they don't communicate in the same way that we do. So they kind of leave messages. So the first day they came, there was only one. I could only find one of them. The other one I only found his hat. So I put her out. Her name is Molly. And I put MO his hat out and I didn't put anything else. So then no one went to school and told them about that. And he said that apparently he came back and reported to me that apparently there was a snowstorm in the North Pole and a lot of elves were delayed.

15:27 I. See, so maybe that's why we only got his hat and not his whole being. The next day he showed up, him and Molly just hung out and they just be. When the elves are there, they know that they open up the little box of the advent calendar we have that I got at TJ Maxx or HomeGoods. Like not a fancy thing. They open it and there's candy inside one, one piece for each. So that's it. That's what our elves do. However, I do find that the elves are good motivators. And that's where you get stuck in this like situation where you almost fall with this informant situation. Like I don't like the Big Brother idea that my kids are being watched like Santa Claus is not watching here. Like I, I don't have that message for them. I feel like that's creepy AF.

16:19 I don't like that. Like my kids should feel that they are safe and not being watched by anybody in their home. That is how I feel like I should be able to live. So I feel like my kids should feel that way too. They know where we have cameras, like they have a camera in certain areas. And so I tell them like don't change in front of the camera, blah, blah, blah. So I really do like try so hard to not make them feel like they gave up their privacy, even if they're four and seven. But the other day I had the elves kind of do fun things. The first night they were just there was only one. The second night they were together. The third night, I can't remember what they did. The fourth night they were like sitting on my stove with like a little bowl of like red noodles with it's like this Mexican candy that's chili based and like chopsticks. So they were like cooking or eating. And then then I put them fishing in like I have a fishbowl glass. Of course I do because I'm boozy and I put like a little fishing. I made like a little fishing rod and I put some Swedish fish in there.

17:28 And so it said like gone fishing and like that's what they were doing. They were just fishing. The next day I was Chris was gone. He travelled this weekend. He just got back, went straight to pick up the kids. So thanks Chris. So I could do this and he left me obviously in the middle of Christmas, so much stuff going on, blah, blah, blah. And so I just put the two elves in the fishbowl the next day, like the fishbowl that they had put big fishing from, I just put them in. And then my kids started being like, Mila's not that into it. But Noah really is, he's 7. And they're, they talk about it at school a lot. So it's like very much ingrained in the tradition, like you said, because they talk about it constantly.

18:10 And he was like, why are they in the fishbowl? Like, what are they doing in there? And like Noah's trying to like read between the lines, figure stuff out. And again, I'm limited with how creative I can get because of my pets. And we'll talk about like certain things that people are doing that concern me. But then Noah started being like, oh, I think, and I said, because they hadn't, they hadn't showered in a minute. So I was like, I think they're trying to tell us that we all need to take baths. Like we all need to take showers or baths. Like, let's see if they're happy with us doing that. And so they took a shower. Mila took a bath on Saturday. They both took showers yesterday. And so I put away the fishbowl. Like it went away.

18:51 Like, so they took their shower. Awesome. And and I don't say for sure that that's the message. We kind of try to interpret it and see like where our creativity takes us. That's the only thing I could come up with being like, oh, you guys, maybe you need baths. And then yesterday we have a little thing that I bought at home goods that's like the naughty or nice scale. And then in the middle it's it says needs work. So I put them next to that and I put it on needs work just so that I can encourage them to, you know, do their best and behave well. But you know, the, the elves, I guess, are the ones delivering that message. And Noah was like, elves are mean. I hope you leave. I'm not. I don't need work. And I'm like, I think you do.

19:33 Like yesterday you did this and this. It's that you got in trouble at school last week. So maybe they're just trying to remind you that like you have, there's room for improvement and you can do it. They believe you can do it, so that is what they did yesterday. So here are a few things I have planned for the remainder of the Christmas holiday. And mine don't get into messes every day. I don't have time for that. My kids also sleep with me so it's hard for me to like sneak away because they're so spoiled when it comes to sleep. And like I can't fight them anymore on sleep. They won't sleep by themselves. That's a whole other topic for a whole other conversation, and probably a whole other audience. But I cannot, I just can't fight with them anymore about sleep. So I just like lie down with them.

20:13 I eventually just like fall asleep or I work while they fall asleep, whatever. So tonight, because Chris is back, I'll probably do one of the more creative things that I have. And it's I got a potato and I'm going to draw a little scared face on the potato like, and I'm going to put it next to a cheese grater and then on the cheese grater. And then I'll put Pringles on the bottom so that it looks like we're making potato chips with that potato, potato the the chips. I'll probably add the chips in the morning when I let the dog out before the kids get out of bed. So that but the potato, it's going to be whole, like the cat won't get into it, I don't think.

20:53 So I'm OK with that. I don't love leaving stuff out all night just because you don't know what your pets are going to get into, especially a cat who has access. So I might just like cover it with like a Tupperware and then just like uncover it really quick so that they don't catch because again, it's like this balancing act and so stressful for no reason because it's so stupid. But that's one thing I'll do. And then I have another idea for like Skittles. You're supposed to put like a plate with like Skittles and then you just leave a note that says like use hot water to create a rainbow and like so you like put the water in and then it's really cute. It like creates a rainbow because of the dyes and the Skittles and then the Skittles go to the trash.

21:33 So that's good hopefully, or at least they're white and they don't have all the dyes, so the if they eat them, I don't know. So those kinds of things are fine. Then there was really cute one that my mom sent me where it was like the little tiny Oreos, the elves were stuffing them with toothpaste. And that was like where my first red flag went up. Like what's in that toothpaste? Right? Because xylitol. Xylitol will kill your dog. It is not. We're not sure how bad it is for cats. Like I've never been able to see like how bad it is for cats, but it can't be good. So even a lick of it, I don't want my cat getting into like even if it may not kill, I don't really want to take that risk for a dumb Christmas tradition, especially because this is like, like you said, like this fabricated tradition. So what I decided to do was put like hand cream and like my hand cream is totally safe.

22:26 Like totally. And so I'll keep it covered, but I'll have like the Oreo kind of open and like supposedly the elves stuffing the Oreos with hand cream instead of toothpaste because again, the toothpaste could be super toxic. Another thing that they also get into is like stuff with like shaving cream, shaving cream. You don't want shaving cream all over your house like because your cat's going to walk on it. And like we've talked about before, walking on it is the same as ingesting it because they're going to lick it. And like what chemicals are in there? What like surfactants and like nasty stuff and soaps and stuff are in there. We don't want that. We want our pets like bellies to thrive, not like be like covered in like who knows what chemical from shaving cream.

23:10 So that's a no go for me. There's a lot of stuff with like gum, for example, and like you cannot find gum anymore really. It's hard to find without xylitol in it. So like it's like the idea is it's kind of cute. It's the elf sitting with like a balloon from its little from its butt and it says don't swallow your gum. So you but but the way they have it set up is with like pieces of gum that like like he chewed it. So you could still do that with a balloon, assuming your cat won't break, because my cat likes balloons and he likes to break them. And then you're the concern is that he'll swallow the the rubber balloon. So you could still do that.

23:53 If you have like a dog and he won't get him, he or she won't get the balloon. You could still do that, but just skip the gun, right? There's a lot of stuff that has to do with candy. The only reason that I felt comfortable with the candy noodles is because they're chilly and my cat won't touch that. Like they're spicy even like my daughter wouldn't touch that. That's like it's, it's, it's like hot spicy, like gummy noodles. They're Mexican. It's Mexican candy. I'm in El Paso so I find Mexican candy everywhere. And so like anything Mexican candy with chili in it I could probably use because they don't use xylitol for those. They are definitely not sugar free and they're not appealing at all to my pets.

24:34 Even though I feel like this guy Satchmo who's sleeping over here, he's the little schnauzer. I feel like he would eat it before he even tastes. Yeah. So the other challenge is not just what's on the counter, it's also what falls on the on the floor, right? Because my cat will drag stuff and then he'll drop it. And so it's, it's not just my cat that's in danger, it's everybody. Yeah, it is. And you have to be very aware of your pet as well, because even if it's something that they normally wouldn't eat, I mean, there are pets that have like, was it Pika? Yeah, exactly. Or, you know, I mean, there are and there are certain certainly are instances where you know an animal will get into something just because it's there to get into it, right? I mean, there's, there's so many. Smells, I just can't.

25:20 I'm just gonna swallow it and then I'm gonna ask questions later and then it's like, oh God, that's terrible. But it's already ingested and I'm also the pet the the elf itself. So like I don't have high chewing dogs but the elf itself is totally looks like a chew toy. It looks like a toy. It totally, I mean, it would, it would be a great chew toy for a, for a dog because it's like kind of like heavy on one side, kind of like floppy on the other. So it's like a lot of textures, a lot of fun, and it's stuffed with stuff you don't want your pet ingesting. It's got plastic on the head, like face the little, the little. I mean, a Lab could easily swallow the hat like this before you even know that it's gone. So that is a huge concern for me. It's not a true toy, like at all. And it shouldn't be like placed somewhere that your dog can think.

26:08 It's a true toy, not only because of the dog, but also because your kids will lose their minds because nobody's supposed to touch them otherwise they lose their magic. So your kids will be upset and like nobody wants that. And the dogs going to be in the ER and you're going to be like, why did I do this to begin with? So it really is like this dumb tradition that I like kind of like started. I, you know, I don't, I don't. My mom thinks it's so cute. The kids really enjoy it, but I haven't like gone full throttle. I'm, I'm like a doer. I'm perfection, like perfectionist all the way. Like if I'm going to do something, I'm going in and I'm doing it to the best of my ability. I'm phoning this in because I don't want to like have to like one up myself every day coming up with ideas, right? And like it's already enough that my kids are getting a piece of candy every morning for a month. Like that's not necessarily great, but that's the advent calendar tradition.

27:06 So I have to be super careful with what candy I put in there. And I have to be super careful about what candy my or what I used for the elf like mischief. And there's a lot of stuff. I mean, there's so there's somewhere I am going to do this one. There's one where you tape like your toilet seat and you put cereal in there and spoons and like the elf will just be having breakfast. The toilet, which it makes the kids laugh. But again, like it has to be done in a room in a bathroom where like none of my pets will access it and I'll close it and then they'll open it and be like, Oh my gosh, there's cereal on the toilet. I'll come in and clean it up immediately. So you have to be like on it.

27:52 If you're going to do these things, you have to be on it. And obviously we don't eat any cereal with like xylitol in it. The cereal we would eat, it's like some healthy version of Cinnamon Toast Crunch. So it wouldn't be the end of the world if my dog or cat got into it. But like I'd be super careful to just clean it up before they got before they got it. Another one is like sprinkles, like holiday sprinkles in your sink. And like, you fill the sink with holiday sprinkles. I'm not doing that. Like, that's just a waste of money. I'm not doing that. Like, I'm not filling my dirty sink. I mean, I clean my sink every night, but still, like, I'm not filling my sink with sprinkles that I have to pay like $8 for at the grocery store. Yeah.

28:35 You know, that's another thing like you are. Wasting some wasteful. I, I remember I was trying to look it up because the country singer Brad Paisley years ago, I don't think he, I don't know, he may not be very active on social media anymore, but he used to be. And they used to get really into Elf on the Shelf. And that's the thing that I think like a lot of adults get into it and then put elves in very adult situations. Like what happened to Vegas stays in Vegas kind of situations. Yeah, like I just, I went, I scrolled back far enough to where it was like, OK, his Elf on the Shelf is with like found in this like bed with wonder.

29:27 Like it's, it's a whole thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, we're not doing that. We're not doing any of that. What is this one? I haven't gotten that this one I. Just I don't the, oh, the other day they were in the Mousetrap game, so they just like sat and played like a board game. So that was easy. Yeah. My my elders are pretty low key and I told I keep telling my kids like if they make a mess they're gone. Like I will throw them in the trash and my son said. I see. My son said, you know, I think they can come back in their magic. And I was like, yeah, well, I'll, I'll drive them somewhere else or I will flush them down the toilet. My, my son knows I'm not going to do that because he understands plumbing enough to understand why I wouldn't do that. But I was like, no, I'll put them in the mail and send, send them back to the North Pole.

30:12 I don't want them making a huge mess. They're not allowed. And I keep talking about them like kind of like mainly like these dumb elves now. Like they're sitting here and now I can't move them and like they're in the way. And so it's. Not like I'm glorifying the elves, they're kind of annoying, but I am just it's like finding the fine line between this pet safety and having fun with the elves is has been really a challenge for me. Like tinsel and ribbon is a no go right? Like there's a ton of stuff that you can do with tinsel and ribbon, but you can't do that with your cat. Especially no gum and candy. When I tell you I went all over target looking for not sugar free gum like even juicy fruit now is really.

30:52 Sugar. Free, yeah, like everything that we grew up with that was like $0.25 for the five pack, those all are now sugar free and have xylitol. Chocolate. Can't do anything with chocolate because like, my cat won't probably eat it, but he might drop it. So no chocolate like cookies and stuff. Like my cat would he? He does. I mean, he doesn't have a sweet tooth because he doesn't taste sweet like any cat, but he likes to taste things. He likes to enjoy things. So I can't leave anything like that out. So I'd have to do that like very early in the morning. The sprinkles, they contain artificial colors and like, I don't even want my kids having that, let alone my pets. The raw potato itself, like I don't want my pets eating raw potato. That is not a healthy digestible meal. Like shaving cream.

31:40 Like I said, raw dough. There's somewhere they're like, you know, baking bread or whatever. You don't want your pets eating raw dough because like they could get if they eat enough of it, and a lot of people don't know this, is that they could get alcohol poisoning from the yeast, like fermenting in their stomach. So you definitely don't want any dog or cat eating raw dough. So like if you're making bread or they're making, or you make your homemade play dough for these elves, put it away. And then the milk, like some of them have like milk and cookies and stuff. And like milk is fortified. So like most milk that people are buying is fortified. I don't want my kids or my pets eating that.

32:21 I mean, I, my kids drink milk at school. Makes me crazy, absolutely crazy because we're supposed to be dairy free because of his sleep apnea, because dairy causes inflammation. So I'm definitely not buying that. But also, if I leave like a cup of milk out, you know my cat's going to be drinking. That. Oh yeah, yeah, I see one that's actually kind of cute. I have to share it. So one of the elves is on the Mantel with a slingshot and the other elf is stuck to the window. It's cute. OK, that's see those are harmless. Yeah, you could do that in the middle of the night and your dog doesn't. Yeah, you'd have. To mouth? Yeah, you'd have to. Really my? Dogs are not chewers. So I feel like that would be fine for me. But again, it's like this risk you take, right? Like you wait.

33:06 You know how many times we've woken up in the middle? Like we've woken up and then like, Oh my God, the dog pooped inside. How did that even happen? You know what I mean? Like, when did we not let him out? Like when was the last time he peed? Did we let him out in the yard too early? Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah, Bah. And you're like figuring this out. You don't want to do this like every day during Christmas season because of this elf. So I came up with some ideas for like elves to do more, more pet friendly stuff. And so I have some recommendations for people. Well, first of all, have all the mayhem occur in one room. So like, maybe your elves can take over like the guest bathroom and they can go in there and see and like, the door remains closed and you teach your pets like, oh, you know, we've banished them in here or they've chosen to be in here because of the pets. And like, this is not safe for pets. So This is why they closed themselves in here and did this, blah, blah, blah.

34:03 So you're also teaching at the same time. Like my kids know that chocolate's not safe because my daughter is such a mess, but they don't know that toothpaste is not safe. Like, you know what I mean? Like I've tried to explain it to them, but we try to buy stuff that doesn't. So it's not like everyone has. So they're little and they can't understand like, yes or no. But like, all chocolate is off limits. The other day Mila did drop a piece of chocolate on on the floor and it was so tiny, but it was like one of these Hershey's and I was like, there's hardly any actual chocolate in there, so I'm fine. And they were all like, no, it's super serious. And I'm like, actually in this case it's not. So I don't want to like confuse them. So I just say like just toothpaste is a no go period. And then also like having a an elf that's not so naughty. Maybe it could read books.

34:48 Maybe it could walk your dog like you just like have the the elf sitting like by wherever you keep your leash and like be like, oh wow, like it walked the dog or whatever while we were sleeping or something like that where it's like, you know, harmless. You don't have to use ingredients for it. You already have it in your home. You have a leash and like the, you know, the elf like sitting there, you know, with maybe some poo bags, like open, I don't know, like something that's not like necessarily dangerous. Like I don't think my pets would get into a poo bag at all. Like a roll of poo bags. Like if it's all closed up, they wouldn't even look twice on it. Or keep your elf in your entryway, like have your elf get into trouble out there. It's a really good way to get your kids early up early and out of the house in the morning.

35:35 You know what I mean? Because like they're, if they're going to go out to the entry, they're going to need to like get out of their PJS, get out of there, like and go put on their coats and stuff. So it might like motivate the pet, the kids to get up and like go out. Mine right now they're only in the living room, family room area, dining room, family room area. And again, I'm just limiting what ingredients I use. But if you really want to go all out, if you have pets, you really have to come up with tight like plan A&B&C, because doing that, like doing the Oreo stuff with, you know, yeah, toothpaste, white toothpaste is not, is not going to be safe at all in a pet home. Because even even if you're not, you don't have a counter surfer. The pet might be tempted to surf the counter. That yeah.

36:24 Oh, yeah, absolutely. I was just thinking like I was trying to think of some other things that might be interesting or cute. But like, I guess it again, depends on if you. I think most people even with pets do decorate their trees but like have the elf decorating the tree so like every night there's like another row of ornaments or something and they go up the. Tree. I love that idea. That's a good one. I don't know. I was just because that that's pretty innocuous, but also could be part of the I don't know. I still don't want it in my house but. I my, again, mine served the purpose and bringing the candy and like what what I do with the candy advent calendar is actually I take the small candies from their Halloween bags right after Halloween and I use those.

37:15 So really I'm not buying candy for this purpose. I did buy a bag of something recently and I put Rolo's in there because I had bought like a bag of Rolo's for something else or like a bag with like different candies for something else. And they were like, EW, the elves left these like these like a little and I was like, what? They threw them away and I was like, you could have asked me. I know I like rollers. Like I don't I, you probably won't catch me eating anything Hershey's because I don't I, it means I'm, I was born in Ecuador where we have like really good chocolate. Like, you know, in the Latin culture, we eat and drink very good chocolate.

37:58 So for me, like Hershey's, chocolate is terrible. So anything Hershey's you're not going to find me eating. But I will definitely tell you Rolo's, I would eat a whole bag of those if you give it to me. So I was surprised that they didn't like it. But then if they come to me and they complain about the Rolo's, I'm like, take it up with the elves all. Right. I have nothing to do with that. And if they forget one day to fill that little box of chocolate or candy, I say you guys must have not, you know, must have not deserved them. What did you do that Like they didn't, they didn't put candy in there and they they will leave a note the next day being like open two boxes or whatever, you know what I mean?

38:47 Last year they left a lot more notes. This year they're just kind of like being like subliminal. Yeah, it was while you were saying that it was like, I wonder if you could also use it to like, I don't know, get them to do things that are more creative and not on devices. So like you have to present the elf with like a drawing or something every day to be able to get your cans. I don't know. So that they're spending time actually doing something with their hands and being creative versus like being on their tablet or whatever. Exactly. No, I love that. And my daughter says that coloring is her hobby. So definitely she would love that.

39:27 Yeah. You could even like get a like a a coloring book and have them do one page through Christmas and like every page that you do, you get, you know, a surprise from the elf or whatever. Yeah, the the whole like informing Santa, like I feel like that's isn't that the way it was originally intended or is that like something that it evolved into? Yeah, I know. I think that was kind of the original intent was like it. The elf is there as like Santa's helper. Santa's helper, like Big Brother looking over, like watching you at all times. Yeah, I don't love that concept and that's why I was never gonna do it. But. Molly concept of Santa anyway, right? Exactly.

40:11 Well, I guess if you'd spin it that way, I we don't really talk about Santa a lot. And I'm gonna be honest, I feel bad lying to my kids about these things. I know it sounds really dumb. And our parents lied to us constantly when we were little. But I don't like lying to my kids about stuff. Yeah. Well, it's funny because as we were starting this talk today, I was thinking about back to when I was a kid and I've been doing a lot of that like thinking lately. I think that's because so obviously I have been, but also like, not only is Mercury in retrograde, but Mars just went in retrograde. And so there's a lot of that coming up for a lot of people. But I, I started thinking about it because I was, I was, I was the oldest.

41:07 I had, we had two older step brothers, but they were like, they kind of did their own thing, you know, So as far as like me and my siblings, how we interacted with each other, I was the oldest and I, I was pretty young when I started realizing that all of these things weren't real, the Easter Bunny and Santa and all of that. And I got in a lot of trouble for trying to tell my younger siblings that it wasn't real, that it wasn't true. And I kind of look back and I'm like, but I don't think I was being malicious.

41:47 I don't think I was trying to like burst their bubble. Bother being good, there ain't no big guy with a bag. Of toys. No, like I think it's, I think it was more than that. I think it's like, I've I found this out. I don't, I'm not lying to you, by the way, Like I don't, I don't like you. I don't like and you didn't. Want to, I don't want yes, and but I got in a lot of trouble because I I wouldn't just say like, Oh, I don't believe like I would actually pretend I was asleep and wake up and then catch my mom putting stuff out or it's like this. I'm like, see, I told like I remember one time I was like, see, I told you, I told you the Easter Bunny isn't real because you're putting the stuff.

42:28 So like, I was that kind of child. You sound like Noah. Noah would totally do that. But I do think it was just a but also I'm a Libra, right? So I do think it's this like this like sense of. What's right? Justice and equality. Yes, yes. And like, I know what's right and I know what's wrong, and I'm not going to let my siblings vote. You know what? Like I think that's what it was. Correct. Yeah, No, it's true. What's funny is when I was growing up in Ecuador, I was born in Ecuador. I moved to the US when I was four or three, almost four. And apparently I don't remember this at all, but like when I was very little in Ecuador, it wasn't Santa that brought presents. It was El Nino Dios.

43:13 Baby Jesus brought you presents. OK, I can't speak to all of the Latin culture on that. I can't speak to all of Ecuador on that. But in my family, it was a Nino Dios who brought presents. And apparently my sister had been a jerk at some point. I was like two or three. My sister must is 2 and a bit older than me, two years, two months older than me. And she had been a jerk at some point. And my my uncle had had a birthday and she, like wanted his gift. And it was his birthdays this week, actually, next week, actually. So she had like got in a fight with him over his birthday present. I think she had broken something because she couldn't have it.

43:53 And my mom was like, El Nino. Dios is watching in Spanish, obviously. Yeah. And watch it. Be careful you're not going to get any presents at Christmas. And somehow my mom was young and my mom's hilarious. My mom was young and was at the market in Ecuador and apparently they had because it was Christmas like fake poops that this is where the story is going. OK. Because like we would get, we never did, but we were like threatened with coal in our stock, correct. So kind of a similar. I guess so like, I guess it was like a gag gift so people could like wrap up. It was like a poop. And I do remember this because I saw it later in life, like when we were living there, like, you know, like you store stuff away and like it came out and I remember seeing it and it was like a poop, like a plastic poop that was kind of like think of like soft serve ice cream shape.

44:48 And it had there were two of them. One of them had corn in it and the other one had lentils in it. It was really gross, but kind of hilarious because it's obviously plastic. And so my mom after this conversation, which is really traumatizing now, I would never do that to my kids. Now I think it's hilarious that she did this, but we didn't know. So she put those under the tree, one for me and one for my sister instead of any presents on whatever. It's always Christmas Day. That's so in the Latin culture, we celebrate Christmas Eve with our gifts exchange. It's Christmas Eve with your family and then the only thing you open on the on the 25th is whatever Santa or baby Jesus brought you. So we, you know, we had gone to bed late. Everybody's happy, you know, Hope can't wait to see what Santa brings.

45:38 And my sister wakes up early, runs down and then what the story that I've been told is she comes to to me at like 2 years old and says you have to see what baby Jesus left for us. Like, she's mean. She was like getting me all worked up so that I could go see the poops under. And I apparently I was the only one who cried about it. My sister thought it was hilarious. She was a devious 5 year old. So she thought it was hilarious that she got a poop. And she thought the poop was great. She thought it was the best gift that baby Jesus could have given her. But I cried because obviously I was like, I'm getting a poop instead of like Barbies or whatever it is that I wanted at the time. So yeah, these things are kind of gross. We would never do that to our pets. Instead for our pets, we're like, I'm going to buy some like amazing thing for my pet.

46:25 Like I was just looking at bears bites. Does Chris like holiday meals where she like freeze dries, green beans and shrimp and steak and. Because. All this stuff and for the pets and here we are like putting poops under the tree or coal in a stocking for kids who don't behave well. And we all know kids want to behave well. So like I have a kid who's very difficult and like we're having him evaluate it for a bunch of stuff just because he's he's very disruptive in class. And like, I know even though he's my kid and I know like, he pushes everybody's buttons very effectively, like I know he deep down really wants to do really well. And so, like, I hate the idea of like Santa's, you know, you didn't get this, you know, you got in trouble at school, so Santa's not coming or you're getting in a coal or whatever. And I feel so bad for kids because I do think that children like dogs, like cats, they really want to do the right thing, right?

47:24 And like they don't always have the tools to do the right thing. And as they get older, right, like most of our pets are what like the the mental age of like a 2 year old, right? They have the cognitive ability of like a 2 year old. Even when they get to seven years old, they still like don't have the cognitive ability of a 44 year old, right? And like we expect them to be like grown-ups after a certain age with our pets, we have a little more grace. I can passion. Give them. A little. Well, the good ones are less. The good pet parents give our pets more compassion and more grace. But like our kids get all these like threats around the holidays and like, like you, I don't, I just don't like it. I feel like it's I gotta go with it because you're not. I have friends who like don't do Halloween, like they're very Christian and they refuse to do Halloween and I'm nothing but the utmost respect for them.

48:14 I love Halloween. I don't take it that seriously. I love a ghost story. It's it. I mean mine with me putting a tree in your home and decorating it as a Pagan tradition, but exactly, exactly. Well, and a lot of these friends may not even do Christmas trees. They may just do like, you know, Jesus, right, celebrating the birth of Jesus or whatever. I don't know what their Christmas traditions are, but I know that they don't do Halloween and I've nothing but respect for them for, you know, like having that conviction to be like, we don't celebrate that holiday because we don't like the idea of putting like dead bodies on our porch to be like happy Halloween. And I get it, like it's dark, but I love it so. But I kind of like, I haven't found that like one thing that I'm like adamant about. Like I'm not doing that with my kids. Like, look, I literally have like the night before Christmas, like a little Garland behind me for the night before Christmas in my office because I I love everything Christmas related. I love the elves.

49:12 I think they're adorable. Like, I definitely don't use them to their full potential like a lot of parents do. And I think it's so fun when those parents go all out and do fun things. And those kids will have awesome memories. Yeah. Of that time the elf like filled, filled the toilet with cereal, right? Like, yeah, they will think that that's so funny and they'll go tell their friends. And like, you know, I also do worry about the kids who don't have this happening at home and they feel like left out right? Cuz like with every trend. Especially. There's always something who's not following. It. Yeah, if they're making such a big deal out of it at school, like school is hard enough for kids, right? And then to feel left out about one other thing. Yeah, that's pretty.

49:57 Sucks and like it's the same thing with like Santa bringing like really expensive gifts. Like in my house, Santa does not bring technology. Santa does not buy iPads. Neither does mom. In my house, you get whatever old phone somebody's no longer using. That's what you get at my house. And you don't get to call it your own. It's still mine. It's my old phone. It's not yours. But a lot of stuff that happens around the Christmas holiday really does like stress us out first and foremost, takes us away from like what we really want to be doing. Because like I guarantee you last night when I had to go move those damn elves, like I would just wanted to stay in bed.

50:40 I just wanted to stay in bed. I didn't want to go get those elves and move them somewhere else. And then I couldn't delegate to my husband because he was in Philly. So I had to just get up and do it. And like, there's a lot of stuff that we could be doing that we're like focusing on these dumb things decorating our front porch. Like, I yesterday I put out my Christmas lights and my home feels cluttered with all the Christmas decor and like, like you, I feel like, what's the, what am I doing? But I, I, I get why you don't want to do it. Like you're just like, it's not your priority right now. I have like little kids. So like, I feel obligated to do it, you know? But like, I do wonder if I didn't have kids, if I'd just be like.

51:24 Yeah. I don't, I know, like I might just have a tree. I there were like two things that I wanted to say off of what you said that we're just letting you know. I'm trying to remember one of them. I do remember about baby Jesus because Talladega Nights is like one of my favorite movies and all I kept thinking every time you kept saying was baby Jesus was like that. That's the Jesus I want to pray to is little baby Jesus. Thank you, little baby Jesus. It's like he's my favorite. Like, I want a little baby Jesus he has to think of. I love that movie.

52:05 I have to watch. I have to watch that. And Anchorman. There's so many I wanna watch, like rewatch. But yeah. Remember what the other thing was? But it doesn't matter. Yeah, I just, I think we do put so much pressure on ourselves and I don't wanna do that this year for the first year ever, by the way, like ever. In your whole life. Well, and I also think that like the reason I wanted to talk about this topic is because I feel like, you know, I would hate to see somebody trying to do so well by their family and their kids and like come up with this amazing fun elf, you know, antic only to end up at the emergency vet and maybe not even know why, right?

52:48 Like you may not even know that xylitol is dangerous. You may not even realize that the peanut butter you picked up for this elf has xylitol in it. So the only, if there's one thing I can say to any parent that's participating in Elf on the Shelf is please be aware of the ingredients, materials you use for the ELF antics. Please, I beg you. Because the last thing anybody wants this holiday season is to end up at the emergency vet or worse with saying, having to say goodbye to a pet because it got an intestinal obstruction. It got poisoned because of xylitol, it choked on some kind of toy or thing. And like, what would be more traumatizing for your child than their beloved pet being killed by an elf? Yeah.

53:41 Well, and I think that kind of brings up just in for me, I, you know, it's easy for me to sit back and say this, not having kids because I have definitely like preached in the past about like if you are gifting anything that is edible, don't wrap it and put it under the tree. And you know, there, there are lots of because your, your dog can smell so much better than we can. They're going to smell it. They're going to get into it. Very possible like that. Yes, there are some good dogs that are not going to get into it, But do you want to take that chance? But I think just in general it can be very overwhelming for a parent to just be a parent, and often times how something would affect their pet is not a thought.

54:34 Like it's just exactly. It's it's too much, it's too much mental load and it's not thought about enough. And so there are like, it was one of the things that bothered me the most about being a dog trainer is that people don't take their pets into consideration with a lot of the things they do. They just want their pet to not do XYZ, to stop doing XYZ. Like, I mean, just one example is like you leave your shoes at the door and your dog shoes like, OK, the simplest solution here is to not leave your shoes at the door. And I get that.

55:15 Like if you have small children, they're not, they're not going to. I don't understand that at all. You know what I mean? Like I get that, but also like. No, my kids have been, but at least my kids have been putting their. That's literally the only thing that they really do is put their shoes away. They put them it also my house is kind of set up in a way that makes that easy because I have a den right on this and like you walk into my house, there's a den. That room is like a catch all room. We have shoes in there. We have a litter box in there. We have some storage in there. So like it's like it's set up nicely. We have like ATV if we want to work out, that's where we have our like free weights and things. So it's like a catch all room, but it's easy for my kids to open the door, put their shoes away and close the door. Again, since we got the cat, we actually have like a little, a little kind of latch that only allows the cat and cats don't choose shoes for the most part.

56:06 So not a big deal. But the reason the latch is there is because the dog would go into the litter box. So you do like management is so important when you're adding a, a pet. Like two years ago, like before Van Gogh came, I wouldn't have had to worry as much about a lot of things because he's a cat. He can jump on a counter. You have a little Yorkie. Like, I'm not so worried about the, you know, the, the, the setup of like the cookies with the xylitol toothpaste, right? Because, like, your Yorkie's probably not getting on the counter. Probably. But you have a big dog. Yeah. Those Oreos that are there are going to call the dog's attention. So you have to kind of figure out what you have and what would work for your family. And honestly, like, most people have no idea. My mom is the one who sent me the videos of, like, these ideas for Elf on the Chef.

56:59 But they're trending. They're all over the place. People are getting like, it's like that kind of like gang mentality. Like you're almost like forced to like do this or you're not a good parent. And so my mom is like sending me look how cute these are and like she's like she's been a pet parent. I guarantee. You she never even look like thought about how these ingredients or these things could be dangerous for pets. I can. Imagine that social media is what catapulted off on the shelf. Oh, for sure, because all these videos. It is so much about look, look what I did and I've got to top this Last Post that I saw.

57:44 And so I can definitely see where. And I mean, more power to you. As long as you're being responsible. Yeah, more power to you. Well, I have a friend in Miami. Her name's Terry, and her kids are grown now. I think they know that Elf on the Shelf is manufactured by their parents, but they're super festive. They have like a whole, their dining room table, their dining room becomes like a whole Christmas village with all these like things like they're over the top Christmas and like they always went over the top for their kids when they were little. And they still to this day, the elves still get into antics, right? And like the kids are older and the kids still love it and it's part of their tradition.

58:27 But I just feel like it doesn't have to be part of everybody's tradition. They also have like one dog. I, I know she had a, she had a Great Dane for a long time and maybe the dog was super chill. A lot of great Danes are like super chill. Like maybe the dog didn't even look twice at the hell. But like, you got a lab. You can't do all that she does. You probably can't even put up the Christmas village with a lab because the labs eat inedible things, you know what I mean? So you really have to know who you have and what you're doing. And like, one of the biggest things is obviously knowing how these new ingredients, these new products could put your pet at risk because they're only tested for safety in the most minimal level. When I say safety for human consumption, right?

59:09 Like, do we even really know that's all safe for us when it's killing dogs? I don't know. Like I'm not convinced. Yeah, I think, I think there's definitely problems with it for sure. I know that dentists have been sold on it for dental health, but yeah, I'm not I'm not so sure either. There's. Helps one part of the body doesn't mean we can like fry the other part you know what I mean like we've done that already with fluoride, right like we can't just be like, oh, this helps prevent cavities, but it like burns our brain or like it like causes blind. I'm just I'm giving an example. This is not what fluoride does but like let's say that like xylitol causes blindness to 80 years down the road. Do we really care about our teeth more than our eyes? No, so we don't know yet, but I I'm not convinced that it's super safe and I just want people to have a happy. Holiday season without, you know, emergency vet visits because those will happen inevitably, right? We talked about food last year.

1:00:11 So if you want to go back to the feed the pet parenting reset, she's shared all of our lives. So they're there from last year. We talked about like dangers of like feeding people food and like cooked bones and other things that could be very, very toxic to our pets or very dangerous to our pets this time of year. And we're just going to add Elf on the Shelf antics to that list. So Jess knows you don't want to end up at the at the ER, at the vet. Nobody needs that kind of expense. Everybody's tied on cash these days. Nobody needs that. And the vets don't want you there. No, it's, it's so difficult to get into a vet on a good day.

1:00:52 I I yeah, please, please, please just the extra, extra cautious and. We're such a silly thing, I. Mean so. Sad to see any time get hurt because of something so silly. So anyway, we're going to come back on Monday and and I don't know what we're going to be talking about. One more this month. Is that what we're? I mean, I'm good for whenever, but good? For whenever I'm not traveling. So yeah, the 16th. And then, yeah, we're not going to do the 23rd or the 30th just because you know what I'm doing. I Speaking of my children ad nauseam, I am moving my kids into their own rooms because they keep fighting. Now they're in the age where it's four and seven. And like, that's my toy. No, that's my toy because we have a playroom. And now I feel like I need to first of all, get rid of half of the toys in the playroom.

1:01:39 Give them each their own room with their toys in the room so that everybody knows what is theirs, what is rightfully theirs, and everybody can Start learning how to make their beds and how to take care of their things and stuff. They do that kind of, but not enough. I wonder if Elf on the Shelf can take a bunch of their toys back to the North Pole to give to other boys and girls that need them. Elf on the Shelf going to have to get over my try it my sons colds and hands. I'll tell you that right now, my kid, so I every single weekend I get a box and I donate stuff, donate or throw away.

1:02:20 Like my trash can for the past two weeks has been full of just stuff that's like not worthy of donating and it's just trash now and I can't have it and nobody else needs it. So throwing away or donating and every single day that I, every Saturday or Sunday, when I do that with my stuff and my husband does it, we do it with household things. We asked our kids to do it. And Noah the other day came down. No, it was Mila. It came down with a toy this big. I can't remember what it was and I was. Like a Polly Pocket. It's no, it wasn't even a doll. It was like an accessory to a toy. And I was like, this is ridiculous. You guys need to do better. And every week I asked them and hopefully I'm hoping that they will understand it as they get older. We are on the border with Mexico. They do know that there are the life is very different in Mexico.

1:03:08 They see it literally. We drive and you can see like what the houses look like in Mexico. And it's not what they're used to seeing here. But my kids, you know, because of the cost living, of living being so low here, we can do so much for them. We are probably too generous with them. And my in laws are too generous and my mom's too generous and Santa's too generous. And I've come to the conclusion that we need to start being very careful with that. Like where now I feel like they're going to start realizing before and I feel like even Mila doesn't notice. She has so many, she's begotten so many hand me downs that I don't feel like Mila's the issue.

1:03:48 She loves everything that's a hand me down. Like she loves it if her friend Ava gave it to her. She thinks it's the coolest thing. So like Mila, I'm not too worried about Noah is more like money focused and like thinks that we have so much and I'm like, whoa, whoa. The only reason we have what we have is because we choose to live in a place where it's very, very affordable. If we lived with the same salaries in DC, we would be strapped. So just know, you know what I mean? Like we would definitely not have a house like this and we would not do all these things. And he's 7. So now he's starting to learn. So we're, I'm hoping that with little nudges, maybe not like, you know, Elf on the Shelf robbing and entering, you know, breaking and entering into our playroom, but at some point, yeah, I would hope that they are ready to part with things. I do think that moving them into their own rooms where they see that there's finite space and it's not going to be comfortable.

1:04:40 Hopefully we'll encourage that too. Hopefully I can teach them practicality and generosity all at once. So for the 16th, if you guys have any recommendations for a chat, whatever you want, pet related or not, we can talk about anything. Just let us know. Think about it for sure. And yeah, please, like leave, leave some suggestions in our DMS and we'll go through them and thank you very, very much. And I'm just don't invite Faye into your home is all I notice. That too late. Man, too late. No, I get it, I get it. But thank you, Isabel, for bringing so much incredible information this week.

1:05:24 I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you for bringing crazy information over here with Ben. Hey, and like mischief and like unknowing. Or what is it? I thought I had to. I I just, I thought I needed to bring something knowing that I don't have Elf on the Shelf or kids to participate in Elf on the Shelf, but. You have, you have so many kids in your life that. Yeah, but like, that was super cool. Like info. I really do appreciate it. I think you're so odd because you're so fascinated by all these things. I love you. Obviously. You're one of my besties, but I think it's so funny that that's what you led with. It would not expect anything less from you because you are into all that stuff.

1:06:06 And I love that you open my eyes to all that stuff too. Like I'm like, like you said, I, I don't, I don't deny the existence of UFOs in New Jersey right now. Yeah, it's a it's a thing. Apparently the government is like not not even going to shoot them. Damn. Like, I don't know, I guess you'd have to be scared. That's the that's my thinking. Like I would be scared. I guess I'm not. Before shooting them down, either I I say just yeah. Like if. They like. Find out what it is. Apparently they're like SUV size, so they're not just like some dude at Costco and bought a drone, you know what I mean? Like. OK, that's a whole other conversation for a whole other day. I'm going to go do some good.

1:06:51 Wait, send me a podcast I can learn about this from. I'm just. I'm going to go walk my dogs. I need to. I need to hear about these UFOs. All. Right. Thank you guys for joining us. We'll see you next week. Bye.