What We Wish Dog Parents Knew About Nutrition & Health (with Emily from The Dog Who Asked for More)

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Welcome back, pet parents.
So today we're actually doing

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what we like to call a podcast
swap.

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And I guess, I guess there are
actually a couple of different

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ways that that could be done.
But the way we decided to do it

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was to record 1 episode and
we're both going to release the

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episode.
And I thought this was going to

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be a super fun thing for both of
us to do, mostly because I feel

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like we just had so many things
like to talk about that were

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similar that it would have felt
almost like doing duplicate

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episodes if we had decided to
record separate episodes with

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each other.
So you might actually hear me

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talk a little bit more in this
episode than I normally would,

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but that is because she was
asking me a lot of questions.

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And I am actually really, really
excited for how this turned out

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because a lot of these things
that like I want to say, but I

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don't always feel like they're
appropriate to say during a lot

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of the interview because I'm not
interviewing myself on most of

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these things anyway.
I think this is going to be

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super fun.
Kim thinks it's going to be fun

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too.
So who am I doing the podcast

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walk with?
Well, her name is Emily Breslin

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and the other podcast that is
going to be airing this.

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So who am I actually doing this
podcast walk with?

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Well, her name is Emily Breslin
and the podcast is called The

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Dog Who Asked for More, which I
absolutely love.

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We could do a deep dive on what
more our dogs are asking for,

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but I guess she is doing that
over there.

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So Emily is a canine
nutritionist.

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She has a CPCN, same as I do.
She is a dog trainer and the

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host of The Dog Who Asked For
More, a podcast for dog parents

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navigating the messy,
complicated parts of life with

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dogs that no one really prepares
you for.

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And by golly, is there a lot of
that going around.

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Anyway, I did do some deeper
dives in in today's episode with

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Emily, and I had to appall.
I actually I felt I had to

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apologize for her because I had
to apologize to her because of

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the deep dives I was doing and
like going so like high level

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with her.
I think that's just where my

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head has been at today and you
never know what's going to come

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out of my mouth.
And I even said on the podcast

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that I told you, I told you guys
that I really don't want to hold

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back anymore.
And so I did go kind of high

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level on some of the answers
that I gave her today.

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And I hope that you appreciate
them as much as I want to talk

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about them.
And in fact, I would really love

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for you to reach out to me and
let me know if you want me to

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dive deeper in any of these
topics because.

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I really.
I feel like we need to be

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talking about them.
I think there are some people

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kind of talking about them, but
they're not talking about them

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as they relate to our pets.
And there is a connection.

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And I know, I know that that
sounds may be hard for some

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people to connect and some
people to hear.

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But there is a connection in a
lot of high level things going

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on in our world today that
absolutely have a trickle down

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effect into the pet food
industry.

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And I kind of give a little bit
of insight into how that could

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be.
So if this is the first time you

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are hearing some of the things
that I say in today's episode,

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reach out to me and let me know
if you would like to hear more

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about it.
Or maybe you don't.

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Maybe you don't want to hear
more about it.

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Maybe you're like, just can you
keep things a little little more

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chill for me?
I don't know.

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Let me know if that's what you
want too, because, you know, I

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don't know that we really make
change in the world being chill,

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but you know, they're they're to
each their own.

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So this is our podcast swap with
the pet parenting reset and the

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dog who asked for more.
Welcome to the Pet Parenting

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Reset podcast.
If you're new here, my name is

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Jess and this is a space where
we talk about all things health,

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span, and quality of life for
your pets and you too.

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I'm so excited that you're here.
Let's dive in.

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When I got into nutrition, it
was because I had to.

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I had a dog with pancreatitis
and I had a dog who literally

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would not eat kibble.
And I found out that it was

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because he was allergic to
storage mites.

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And so literally he was allergic
to every bag of kibble because

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there is no way to storage food
without getting storage mites.

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So it was really, really
difficult.

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But I feel like this is what
happens to a lot of people.

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I feel like they don't start
looking at nutrition or diet

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options until they've either
tried everything and they're

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really, really frustrated, or
they have a dog that gets sick

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and they don't know what else to
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Is this, Is this the same
experience that you've had too?

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It is the same experience.
And the only thing that I keep

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thinking of when you were
talking about that is it's so

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funny because we're like
programmed to have this mindset

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of like, well, this is dog food
or this is that food.

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And what's so interesting to me,
and I actually just brought this

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up at a conference I was
speaking at, is why is it that

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we when something is wrong and
we go to the veterinarian, then

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the veterinarian says feed real
food.

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Granted, it's not necessarily
what we we want to be feeding.

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Like they still are saying like
chicken and rice, which is not

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what we actually want to be
feeding.

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But why is it that the answer is
real food when something goes

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wrong but we're never thinking
about it it to prevent anything

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from going right?
Like this is the like mindset

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that is boggles my mind.
Like, truly.

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No, I agree with you.
How are we here?

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Well, and it's wild too, because
it seems like, you know, same

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thing with us when we're sick,
right?

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We want to eat healthy,
nutritious foods that fill us up

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but are gentle on our stomachs.
So why wouldn't we be doing that

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for our dogs?
And a lot of people when they

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come to me and they're like, oh,
well, you feed raw, like, why do

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you do that?
And I'm like, well, if my dog

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lived out in the wild like they
originally did, what would he

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eat?
I don't know.

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Well, that's because we have
made it a convenience to feed

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our dogs something that's stored
on a shelf.

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I think the thing that really
did it for me though, with

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kibble was not only learning
that Fitz was allergic to

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storage mites and that was like
our main problem, but then

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learning that like bags of dog
food sit on shelves in

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warehouses for like 12 to 18
months before they even go out

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in the pet store.
I was I was done when I heard

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that.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.

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I mean, really everything that
we're living in right now, I

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feel like we're in the twilight
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It's and, and I, I say this like
tongue in cheek, but really

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truly like I, I just put out a
clip on just before we're

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recording this on my Instagram.
That actually got better

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traction than I thought it would
because I said, and I feel I'm

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just going to keep saying this
for as long as I can possibly

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say this until it finally
catches on that kibble is a

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failed experiment.
And the sooner that we like as a

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society come to this conclusion,
and this is a really hard thing

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to say, right?
Because it props up our rescues

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and our shelters and millions
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just in the United States alone.
Like this is what they're

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eating.
And the reality is, yes, I would

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rather have a fed dog than a
starving dog.

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Same with a cat.
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collectively come to the
realization that this the

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experiment.
Like if we look at the timeline

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of things, this is the
experiment, Kimball is the

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experiment and it is failing
phenomenally, phenomenally.

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But if you don't mind, I
wouldn't really go on a little

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rant, a little tangent here with
the whole like raw debate.

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And feel free to like jump in
with us at any point that you

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want, but I am.
I have been a raw feeder for a

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decade or more and I've gotten
to the point with my dog where I

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finally have succumbed to the
fact that she would rather eat

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gently cooked foods right now in
this stage in her life.

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Great.
We've been through a lot.

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She is aging.
I still try raw with her and she

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will eat it for short periods of
time.

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Regards.
So like at the end of the day,

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I, I feel like raw feeders, all
of us, like we should just be on

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the real food bandwagon and and
maybe not be so divisive amongst

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ourselves.
I think there is, there's a, a,

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there's a topic, there's that we
all need to really be talking

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about that.
Some people argue that, you

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know, a raw food diet is
biologically appropriate.

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It's what they would be eating
in the wild, it's what wolves

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are eating in the wild, all the
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Other people argue that, yeah,
but can we do better to help

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them thrive?
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be said for that as well, but
maybe not in the way that a lot

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of people have brought up this
topic in the past.

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Because I think people tend to
bring up this topic as raw is

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not good enough, you know, and
they and they want to supplement

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it in some way or feed cooked
because they would prefer to

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feed cooked.
I don't, I don't look at it that

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way.
I look at it as we are.

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And I think this kind of fits in
with the topic of your podcast a

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little bit more.
We are asking our dogs to live

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in an environment that is
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In our homes inside 4 walls.
We are asking them to behave in

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manners that are completely
foreign to them without really

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giving them instruction on what
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Just a whole lot of no, right.
We have taken away a lot of

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access to the outdoors,
especially for animals that are

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living in like city and high
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We have taken them out of
everything that they have known

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biologically.
And so, yeah, one of the things

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that we can do to bring their
biological needs back into

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perspective is I do believe
feeding them a raw food diet.

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But I think also something you
probably talked about a lot is

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enrichment and being very
intentional about the, I'm not a

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huge supplement fan.
Any type of supplements that I

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do generally recommend are going
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supplements first.
And I do think that we do have

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to supplement, but I think that
that is not a fault of their

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biology.
I think it's a fault of the

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human impact on the environment.
So our food just doesn't have

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the nutrients that it used to
100 years ago.

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I mean, there are bacteria that
we find in the soil that we

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don't find anywhere else and we
need it or we and our dogs and

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our cats need it to be able to,
to even digest meat.

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And so if, if we don't have
access to clean healthy soil,

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how are we getting those
bacteria?

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So there's there's a lot of I
think I think it's a very

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complex issue and I think I just
went down a rabbit hole that you

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are probably not prepared for.
But you're right, like it is

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such a layered problem to your
point where, you know, 100 years

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ago they weren't spraying
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rotation of how they farmed
every year was slightly

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different and cows and chicken
and all that kind of they

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weren't getting hormones.
And there's just so much more to

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it then then I think people even
think about because even as

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people, we don't look at how
nutrition affects us until

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there's a problem.
Like right back to the beginning

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of where we started this
conversation, you know, like

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we're just eating until, you
know, we're overweight or we're

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sick or having an allergic
reaction to something.

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And then, and then that's when
we're like, Oh, well, I don't

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know if this is healthy for me
or not.

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And maybe I need to figure out
what's going on here.

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But you're right.
It's the it's the same thing

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with dogs.
And it's so funny that you said

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that about your dog kind of like
liking the lightly cooked.

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I recently Fitz has been eating
raw for gosh, about a year and a

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half now and he loves it.
But most recently, something

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happened where one of my parents
like cooked the meal a little

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bit because they didn't know.
And now he would like for his

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meal to not be out of the
refrigerator.

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He would like for it to be a
little bit warm.

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So we also have been doing a
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But again, I don't think that
it's wrong for dogs to have

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preferences either, right?
Like it's OK if they would like

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their meal to be warm.
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wild and he ate some kind of
prey, it would be warm just

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because that's how bodies work.
So it's interesting to me how

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easy it is for me to just be
like, well, that makes sense.

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like, oh, I never would have

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thought of that.
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It's a fun topic to educate on
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different angles that you can
come from and there are a lot of

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rabbit holes that you can go
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Sometimes it makes you a little
crazy because there is so much

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to learn.
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how it has to be with dogs.
If you're not not always

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learning and you're not always
evolving, you're just, you know,

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you're not really giving the
best life to that dog that you

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can be.
To your point about bringing a

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dog into your home and taking
away their access and

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controlling everything that they
do, like enrichment and choice

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and playing outside and having
all those things, don't somebody

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compared it once to when we were
in in the COVID lockdown and how

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we all kind of went a little bit
crazy.

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Well, your dog lives that COVID
lifestyle every single day of

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their life.
So that's just one of those

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areas that we could give a
little bit more grace to our

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dogs and try to see things from
their perspective to help them

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have a little bit better day by
not forcing them to just behave

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in this box of a house and, and
have all these requirements that

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are not even, you know, they're
not biologically appropriate,

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they're not normal for them.
They don't understand.

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We're asking them to live in a
society that we don't even know

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how to live in most of the time.
So it's really interesting to

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see how much growth comes from
that when people start shifting

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into what's possible versus what
the industry or what the economy

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or what the vet or whatever, you
know, the friend next door says

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there's just so much room to
grow and improve for ourselves

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and our dogs.
And I think it's really cool

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that so many more people are
starting to open up to that

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idea.
And I want to go back to what

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you said about the food and the
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that, you know, shelters are
struggling as it is.

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So, yeah, I totally get why they
feed kibble and they hardly ever

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have extra money for things like
that.

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But that is something that where
if we were educating properly

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and helping pets transition
properly into homes, it would be

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an easy thing to change.
My dogs ate kibble for almost

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their entire lives and have
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year and a half, two years been
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So it is something that you
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And it's really not that
difficult to do it either

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actually easier than switching
them on kibble to kibble to

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kibble to kibble.
So it's it's definitely a fun

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thing to see that we could
change, but there's going to be

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a lot of things I think
unfortunately that take place

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before we get to that.
Yeah, I know because there's so

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many reasons.
What's interesting is that I, I

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started out in the rescue world
in my early 20s and kind of made

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my way through doing a lot of
things in rescue.

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So I have a lot of empathy.
You know, their burnout is real,

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but like, it's, it's hard.
It is hard work emotionally to

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rescue animals.
Like really, really tough.

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And, and so I have a lot of
empathy for that, but I, you

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know, it has to like some,
something's got to give

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somewhere.
And one of the things that kind

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of changed the trajectory of
where I'm at today is making a

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decision that I want to do
better to be able to help these

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animals.
What can I do to keep animals

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out of shelters?
So I started dog training

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because I said, you know, what
are the reasons that dogs wind

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up in shelters in the 1st place?
And that was at the time

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something that I saw that I
could make an impact with.

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But what I, what I see now is
that the health of our animals,

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yes, behavior is a big part of
it, but how they feel also

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effects their behavior and how
they feel is directly related to

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how healthy they are.
So like there's, it's so

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multifaceted, it's so layered.
Like we, I think, I think so

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many of us go through the day
without giving any mental

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bandwidth to these kinds of
thoughts with our pets,

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sometimes not even with
children.

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You know, like, you know, life
is tough.

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Life is hard.
And I would, I rather, again,

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like I said, I would rather have
a, a fed dog than a starved dog.

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But you know, if people actually
knew the reality of the pet food

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industry, I think they would ask
more questions.

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What do you think about the Pet
Nutrition Facts label changing?

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Because that's been like a big
thing for me.

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I've been following that very
closely.

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I've had a couple of
conversations with Daniel Shula

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from Jeez, I messed up his name,
Daniel Shula from Keto Natural

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Pet Foods, and just some really
fascinating stuff that I've

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learned from him as well.
But the fact that it's going to

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take like 5 years for them to
change the label so that they

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are actually revealing truly
what's in dog food, that to me,

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he says.
Like the industry is scared of

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what's going to happen when they
have to be honest.

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They actually have a different
viewpoint.

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Oh, I'd love.
It's awesome.

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And not to say that that, you
know, I actually don't know.

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I don't know him and I don't, I
don't want to say that he's, I'm

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sure that his perspective is
completely valid.

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The pet food industry in general
doesn't want it is set up

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intentionally so that consumers
don't know what it is.

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Really only big, big change that
is coming is that they're going

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to have to list carbohydrates in
the oh gosh, I can't even think

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of what that little panel is
called.

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They're going to have to list
carbohydrates.

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So now we have to do the math to
figure out the carbohydrates.

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Most people aren't going to do
that.

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Do I think, I don't even know
that people read the bad, the

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people that we want this to
affect, the people that we want

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to wake up to what they're
feeding their pets or not?

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I hope this doesn't age poorly,
but these are not the people

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that are reading the labels in
the 1st place.

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So I don't think it's going to
have as huge an impact as a lot

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of people think it's going to.
But the entire pet food industry

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is set up as a disposal system
for the human food waste

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industry.
So what isn't changing?

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I don't, I don't think that that
this is providing any

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transparency.
The people that want to know the

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carbohydrate percentage can
already do the math to figure

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out the carbohydrate
carbohydrate percentage.

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What's not changing is what is
actually in that food, because

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the reality is that the
definitions of the words that

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are in the ingredient panel are
defined based on feed and not

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what's in the human food supply.
And there is a huge assumption

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by the entirety of the world
that whatever is in that

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ingredient label on that pet
food bag matches the ingredient

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that they would buy at the
grocery store.

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And that is not true.
And not only is that not true,

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but if you want to know what the
definition of that food is, you

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have to pay $250 to get a
dictionary.

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So no, there isn't any
transparency.

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Yeah, I think that it's it's
kind of a mixed bag, right?

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Because I think that
unfortunately there are a lot of

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people that don't even realize
that there are carbohydrates and

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dog foods.
And I think that that is going

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to be a shocker for a lot of
people.

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I'm hoping that, you know, more
people will start doing homework

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on things like meat meal.
I'm recently started a series on

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YouTube where I'm breaking down.
This is how you read a dog

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label.
This is what these ingredients

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mean.
This is what you should be

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looking for.
And things like how ingredients

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are listed.
So like the first ingredients

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are weight before like the water
is removed.

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And so yeah, it, it says that
there's X amount of meat in it

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or whatever.
But I think the thing that

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really frustrates me the most is
how little education there is

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out there about what your dog
like their requirements are.

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So your bag of kibble has 20 to
25% Max protein in it, and your

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dog should be having 60 to 65%
of protein a day.

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So you know that that's a big
difference.

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That's 40% of their dietary
requirement that they're not

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getting that is affecting their
health, their life longevity in

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ways that that people don't
understand, which kind of

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boggles my mind because
everyone's always like, oh, I

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want my dog to live forever.
Well, where's the 1st place that

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you could start with that?
By eliminating these sugars and

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starches from your dog's diet
and feeding them more naturally

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because that's what their body
requires.

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And so it's it's simple to see
how like some of these changes

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could be made and how we could
have dogs live longer lives.

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I think prior to kibble fed
diets, there is a study that

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shows that golden retrievers
used to live something like 16

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or 17 years long.
And since we started the kibble

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industry in 1953, now they're
only living like 10-12 years.

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That's a big chunk of time,
right?

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Yeah.
With cancer.

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Yeah.
It's wild.

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It's wild.
What is your like biggest

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frustration with like the
feeding industry in general?

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I think just how it's, I don't
want to get too high level, but

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honestly my answer is very high
level because the reality of all

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of this is that our planet is
suffering.

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And I am a big proponent for
regenerative agriculture.

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I truly, truly, truly believe
that it will save the world.

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And because when our topsoil is
dead, the Earth is dead and

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there is a huge percentage of
the topsoil in our world because

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of things like glyphosate and
monocropping that is dead.

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And fortunately there there is
there, there are initiatives

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around the world to bring more
regenerative farming back.

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And you know, there's a lot of
scare tactics in the world right

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now, including in our own U.S.
government, which I do not want

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to get political at all because
that is a whole other rabbit

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hole.
But it all ties in together.

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Like, let's be real that, you
know, we have somebody who has

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spent his entire life fighting
glyphosate now saying, but we

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have to have it to be able to
feed the world.

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That's not true at all.
That's a fear tactic because it

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change is hard and you have to
expect there's going to be

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discomfort to get where you want
to go.

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And nobody wants to go through
that discomfort.

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And does that mean we may not
have strawberries in February?

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Yeah, probably.
Right.

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And that's going to suck because
I love strawberries.

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I want to eat them in February,
too.

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But that's not natural.
And if we have to go a handful

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of years without strawberry and
like, I realize I'm

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oversimplifying things, but
truly we have to fix the human

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food supply to be able to fix
the animal feed supply.

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And so I'm not like going on
this tangent for no reason

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because the animal feed supply
is truly set up to dispose of

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any and everything you can think
of from dying and decomposed

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meats that have cancerous tumors
in them that are not going to be

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allowed into the human food
supply, all the way down to used

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cooking grease from restaurants
like and any and everything in

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between.
And it allows for things like

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metals and plastics because
they're not going to pull those

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things off of the cattle or, or,
you know, the pig or any, like

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none of that is being pulled off
of these animals before they are

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disposed of.
And turned into a literal pulp

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because that's what goes in into
to pet feed and it animal feed

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in general.
Like let's be real, like this is

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what is governing.
You know, what's feeding our

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cows and our pigs and our
chickens and everything else as

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well.
The salmon that are that are

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farmed, all of it, you know,
same governing body is

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regulating all of it.
And so that's heavy.

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And I know that that's really
heavy, but that is the reality

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of like what I wish people would
understand that is it more

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expensive to buy, you know, a
pound of regeneratively raised

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ground beef versus industrially
raised ground beef.

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It is you're going to get better
nutrients from it.

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You're going to and, and we have
to learn as consumers to be less

447
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,440
wasteful.
And that's I think where a lot

448
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,000
of the discomfort comes from
that we are so, and I'm raising

449
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,480
my hand too, Like I have grown
up this way.

450
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:46,600
It is hard to not impulse buy.
It is hard to not have a House

451
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,360
of things that I don't need to
be wasteful to throw things away

452
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,840
because I wanted that when I
bought it and I ate a few of it

453
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,520
and now I don't want it right?
Like I.

454
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:57,560
Get it?
It's.

455
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,840
Hard.
But I think ultimately to affect

456
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,400
change in our pet food industry,
we have to affect change in the

457
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,320
human food industry because
that's where all of this is

458
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,960
coming.
From it is wild how wasteful we

459
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,000
are as humans.
And you know, I didn't know

460
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,240
until when I just started to get
into this nutrition stuff.

461
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,400
So about the last maybe four or
five years total.

462
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,200
I didn't know that dog food was
made out of basically food waste

463
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,400
until, you know, you start doing
that research.

464
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,240
But again, that's another one of
those areas we it's just not

465
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,640
commonly educated on.
People don't know because it's

466
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,640
just not out there for everybody
to find.

467
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,400
You really do have to dig for
it.

468
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,040
You have to take a course on it.
You have to get a certification

469
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,640
in order to really be presented
with the actual materials and

470
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,320
facts, because that's, that's
how the, the market like glazes

471
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,240
it over.
They just, you know, we're here.

472
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,920
Here's here's an easy way to
feed your pet and you know,

473
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,120
it's, it's taking care of some
of the planet waste and all that

474
00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:01,680
kind of stuff.
And you're right, they don't

475
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,560
clean up the animals or take the
tags off or, you know, and

476
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,880
there's things like tire sealer
that ends up in dog food.

477
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Like that's scary to me.
It is I mean euthanasia drugs

478
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,200
like I could even go further if
you.

479
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,240
Really want me to get.
Like if you want like a really

480
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,800
controversial episode, I, I, I
know we're going to put this up

481
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,400
on both.
So I told my listeners at the

482
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,800
beginning of this year that I'm
done, like holding my tongue.

483
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,040
So, but none of them have even
heard this from me because this

484
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,960
is actually something that I
have done it.

485
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:39,480
I've started to deep dive in
because as a woman, I feel that

486
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:46,440
I have feminist tendencies and I
have started to dive into like

487
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,720
the origins of the feminist
movement and what is actually

488
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:57,680
done to our society and how it
is actually very damaging not to

489
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,680
not to just women, but to men as
well.

490
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,680
Like we're where we are in a
society largely due to feminism,

491
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,880
which was given to us.
It actually was pushed on to

492
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,120
like women did not want this.
And you can even go back in like

493
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,880
the, the books that people wrote
the at the beginning of the

494
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,800
feminist movement where they
said that we have to get men on

495
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,800
board to vote for this because
women don't want it.

496
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,960
And that's what they did.
They got men on board to vote

497
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,160
for it for women because women
didn't want it.

498
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,640
And like our entire history of
what we think women went through

499
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,920
is not true.
It it's, it's absolutely insane.

500
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,720
But the, the whole point of this
is they wanted women in the

501
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,560
workforce to have to be able to
tax both people in the household

502
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,640
basically.
And so we could, we could get an

503
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,720
even deeper dive into because
kibble was invented because

504
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,000
women were no longer in the home
and we need convenience and we

505
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,080
need micro waivable meals and we
need kibble defeat our well, I

506
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,320
mean, if we really go back, it's
because of the rations with the

507
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,480
metal from the war.
But that turned into once men

508
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,280
came back home from the war and
they pushed women into the

509
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,000
workforce.
They said, Oh, well, now you now

510
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,520
you really need this because
because it was really canned

511
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,480
food that we couldn't have at
1st.

512
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,280
And then they had to, you know,
they needed the metal to make

513
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,440
ammunition and things like that
in the war.

514
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,120
But then once the men came back
home for more and they were

515
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,960
like, Nope, you women need to
get get in the workforce and we

516
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,200
are going to tax you too because
what you do at home isn't, you

517
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,120
know, we can't tax that.
Then women had to have something

518
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,960
easy to feed their pets.
And it's, it's, it's a whole

519
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,320
like rabbit hole that we could
go down.

520
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:47,840
It's interesting how much
society as a whole pushes that

521
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,520
you need to make it easier.
You need to make it easier.

522
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Like you need this option
because somebody who who raw

523
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,120
feeds, I hear all the time, it's
too expensive.

524
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,920
It takes too much time.
You know, it's I don't have time

525
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:01,040
for that.
It's a lot of work.

526
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,320
But honestly, I meal prep for 28
days at a time.

527
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,840
I have Pyrex dishes.
I portion everything out and

528
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,800
then I freeze it and then I
unfreeze day by day.

529
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,760
It takes less time for me to
meal prep one day every four

530
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,040
months or every four weeks than
it did for me to try to figure

531
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,080
out what the heck I'm going to
feed my dog every single day

532
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,560
because stomach problems can't
eat kibble.

533
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,840
You know, do I add this today?
Do I give the kibble today?

534
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,600
Did I, you know, I'd have to
keep like all these charts and

535
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,560
everything to keep everything
organized.

536
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,040
That to me was so much more work
than just being able to go put

537
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,120
it, you know, in the defrost
mode or sit it on the counter

538
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,760
for an hour or two and then cook
it in the pan a little bit and

539
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,920
boom, like that's so much easier
to me.

540
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,720
So I again, convenience aside,
what really is convenience, you

541
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,720
know, like what is what is
actually easier to to struggle

542
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,440
with your dog and having
vomiting and diarrhea and not

543
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,800
being able to figure out what
the source of it is for weeks

544
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,600
and months on end.
Or is it just being able to just

545
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,440
pull a meal out of the freezer
and be like, there's everything

546
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,680
you need.
You know what I mean?

547
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,800
It's it, I think that the
definition of convenience

548
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,640
changes when people's
perspective of what is

549
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,760
convenient changes.
So it, it really is very

550
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:28,480
interesting how much our history
and our politics and even

551
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,760
religion, like how they morph to
fit whatever the message

552
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,600
currently is within society.
It's, it's, it's pretty wild,

553
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,680
which is why I think, you know,
hopefully one day there's some

554
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,160
hope that like will actually get
some change in these areas.

555
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,320
But I don't know.
It's got to be the right message

556
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,480
that's being pumped out to the
masses for there to be any kind

557
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,840
of significant change.
Because as you said, change is

558
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,840
hard.
People don't want to change.

559
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,760
They want to do what they know.
They want to stick with the

560
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,080
routine and they don't want to
have to question anything.

561
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,400
Which in my personal opinion, if
there is ever a time in my life

562
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,400
when I'm not changing, when I'm
not growing, when I'm not

563
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,920
learning things, when I'm not
striving to do more, like what

564
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,920
is the purpose of, you know, I
don't want to just come home and

565
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,120
watch TV or doom scroll on my
phone or whatever.

566
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,120
Like I want to be having
experiences with my dogs and

567
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,000
learning things and sharing it
on the podcast and helping other

568
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,680
people.
Like I want there to be a

569
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,880
purpose to my life.
I don't want to just go to work

570
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,600
and then come home and live
behind a screen for my entire

571
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,360
life.
But I guess that's what makes

572
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,440
you and I different than, you
know, a lot of other people.

573
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,680
And that's kind of how you find
your communities, too.

574
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,480
Well, it goes back to how you
started all of this with like,

575
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,840
people don't even look to fresh
feeding until there's something

576
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,840
wrong, which is exactly what
happened.

577
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,200
And you're like, but it's so
much now, it's so much easier.

578
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,480
But that's because something was
wrong, right?

579
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,120
And so how do we reach people
before things go wrong?

580
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,480
That's one of the things that
I've been trying to figure out,

581
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,120
and I'm curious.
You asked me what's one thing

582
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,840
you wish people would know about
the industry?

583
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,840
What is your answer to that
question?

584
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,520
If you're here, it's because
your pet isn't just a pet, your

585
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,600
family and you can feel when
something's off, even if the

586
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,080
labs look normal.
That's why I created Wild

587
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,320
Wellness Pet and the Wild
Wellness Bioenergetic Test to

588
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,480
help you see the hidden
stressors your pets body is

589
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,960
quietly carrying and give you a
clear, holistic starting point.

590
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,120
Head to wildwellnesspet.com to
explore the Bioenergetic test

591
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,760
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592
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,239
proactive step for your pets
healing journey.

593
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,840
I'm curious like you asked me,
what's like one thing you wish

594
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,320
people would know about like the
industry?

595
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,760
What do you?
What is your answer to that

596
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,520
question?
I wish that people just knew

597
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:13,400
same thing pretty much at how
much garbage is in actual dog

598
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,560
food that it's that it's really
not that great.

599
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,040
I think that the other thing
that really bothers me about it

600
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,800
is that the palliatives, right?
They add in flavoring after

601
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,800
they've cooked the heck out of
it, along with all of the

602
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,160
vitamins that your dog can
actually process and, you know,

603
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,520
absorb because they're not
bioavailable to force your dog

604
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,680
to like be interested in it so
that they want to eat it because

605
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,720
it's gross.
I don't know about you, but I've

606
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:43,360
eaten dog food before, lots of
different kinds of dog food, and

607
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:48,640
it's it's gross, it's dry, it
has a terrible flavor, and it

608
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,480
definitely wouldn't feel
fulfilling to me if that's what

609
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,760
I had to eat every single day.
Yeah, I have not.

610
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,120
That sounds horrible.
I'm so sorry.

611
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,440
It does sound horrible.
Like I even what I feed my dog

612
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,080
right now, I wouldn't eat just
because there's no like

613
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,440
seasoning in it.
Like it still would be bland and

614
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,480
boring.
I don't think I would eat what I

615
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,560
feed them now just because
there's bones and fur in it.

616
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:24,440
Not about that.
Yeah, I will say like it was

617
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,480
funny.
One of the times that I I was

618
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,520
at, oh, I was actually at one of
the feed real summits and I was

619
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,560
with Hannah at Evermore and we
were just kind of being silly

620
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,880
taking pictures and like they
would when they started ever,

621
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,400
they actually did like a whole
month where they ate their food

622
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,320
because it is all human grade.
It is.

623
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,120
And granted that's a cooked
food, but they don't, you know,

624
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,040
they don't use synthetics or
anything like that.

625
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,960
And so just to show that like,
this is actually food that we

626
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,560
could live off of as well.
Like it's not right where it's

627
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,320
not seasoned.
It's not but.

628
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,360
And so when we were at the
funeral, like we did a little

629
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,920
shoot where I was like putting a
spoonful of it in her mouth.

630
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,160
But she was like, I'm actually
not going to eat this one

631
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,520
because it's been sitting out
all day.

632
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,120
But yeah, I think, I mean,
there's so many things I want

633
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,880
people to know.
Like it's, it's so much of it

634
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,320
comes down to the fact that like
over and above anything else,

635
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,040
one of the things that I I hear
from people like we have again,

636
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,560
going back, I'm I'm, I'm just
going way too deep for you for I

637
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,160
hope I'm not going too deep for
your audience.

638
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:32,920
You're good.
You're.

639
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,400
Good.
Because, you know, the reality

640
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,280
of the public school system, the
indoctrination that we go

641
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,880
through in the public school
system in the United States is

642
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,560
to make us worker bees.
Like, you know, that's very well

643
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:48,680
documented.
We, it is not only like taught

644
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,920
out of us to be creative and to
think for ourselves, but also to

645
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,640
follow authority figures, right?
And that truly it is not to get

646
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,760
an education.
That is what our public school

647
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,680
system is designed to do.
And it has done a really, really

648
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,440
good job because now we also, we
do this with every aspect of our

649
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,120
lives and we look to our
veterinarians as the authority

650
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,720
for our pets.
And we so many of us don't want

651
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,920
to question it.
I, I was that person that I,

652
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,640
when I was in my early 20s, that
even mid 20s, I did any and

653
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,800
everything my veterinarian told
me to do to the point where I

654
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,800
had a house full of cats that
every single one of them was

655
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,840
getting a different Royal Canin
formula because that's what my

656
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,360
vet said to do.
Of course, that's what she sold

657
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,680
in her office as well.
But I, you know, I thought I was

658
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,880
being the best pet parent I
could be when in reality, now

659
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,320
looking back, I'm like, I did
literally everything wrong.

660
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,880
But I did exactly what my vet
told me to do.

661
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:54,040
And that I think is because this
is what we're being told.

662
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,800
These are the kinds of humans
we're being molded into to not

663
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,760
think for ourselves and to just
do whatever the authority figure

664
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,160
says.
And that's where we are.

665
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,320
I'm so sorry I'm going so deep
today.

666
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,640
No, you're fine.
It's funny though, that you said

667
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,360
that because so I, I was a vet
tech for like almost 10 years

668
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:20,120
and it is wild to me the things
that I have learned since being

669
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,520
a vet tech because we did, we
pushed, you know, certainly and

670
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,360
tick or heart guard or food or
whatever, you know, that was

671
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,400
what we, we pushed out and
vaccination schedules and all

672
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,120
that kind of stuff.
And since then, you know, being

673
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,920
in the veterinary community and
not knowing what a tighter test

674
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,400
was, you know, and now it's like
now I get tighter tests done and

675
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,840
I vaccinated everybody just came
home.

676
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,360
Hey, but not being able to,
jeez, hang on just a second.

677
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,720
Still getting used to that.
People coming home, him not

678
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:52,480
knowing what the heck he's
supposed to do.

679
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,400
You're fine.
It's OK, I think.

680
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,120
My audience is definitely used
to it.

681
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,680
Kim Kim normally barks at least
one my record.

682
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,000
My audience is used to it too,
but he was like going at it.

683
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:08,560
Yeah, well, what's really
interesting is I did a whole

684
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,720
episode just on titers with
Doctor Lori Kosher, one of my

685
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,640
top like 10 episodes for sure
that I have done.

686
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,480
And she even said what's so
interesting is that because she

687
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,280
has been exposed to rabies a
number of times in her

688
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,080
veterinary career.
And even the AVMA will let her

689
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,440
get a tighter to decide if she
needs another rabies vaccination

690
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,720
when she's exposed to an animal
that could potentially have been

691
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:37,200
rabid, but somehow that doesn't
disseminate down to the animals

692
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,240
and their care.
Yeah.

693
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,440
It's, I actually had her name is
Noga and she works for Bio Gal

694
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,000
Labs and she came on and talked
about titer testing and what it

695
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,280
does and how it works and all
that kind of stuff.

696
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,440
It was a really fascinating
episode.

697
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,720
But she said the same thing that
like you can get titer tested

698
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,080
for everything and it will test
for rabies because it's designed

699
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,200
to do that.
But because of the state laws,

700
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,960
you can't say, Oh, well, we're
skipping rabies this year even,

701
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,920
you know, because the state laws
require it.

702
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,880
But for everything else, if your
dog passes, then you can say no

703
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,080
to that vaccination, which is
really, really nice.

704
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,040
I have had really good
relationships with veterinarians

705
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,920
for many years, obviously,
because I've worked with them.

706
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,760
But I also have a really good
veterinarian now who pretty much

707
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:28,400
will do whatever she's, he will
do pretty much whatever I want

708
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,160
to do, which is amazing because
there are a lot of veterinarians

709
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,680
that are like, and I'm not about
that.

710
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,120
But if you're going to advocate
for your dog, you need to be

711
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,640
able to question what your
veterinarian says and you need

712
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,760
to talk about, you know, those
kind of things.

713
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,560
Now, the only way that I would
say like I would maybe not push

714
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,680
back in with your veterinarian
is when there is an emergency.

715
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,760
If they're telling you that
something needs to be done

716
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,000
because your dog's been hit by a
car or they're having an

717
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,040
allergic reaction to something
or whatever, just let them do

718
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,760
their job because that's what
they go to school for.

719
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,120
But when nutrition and stuff
like that comes into play, they

720
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,720
are not specialists.
They don't take a ton of

721
00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:07,840
education.
One to three hours is all that's

722
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,240
required.
That's why they have veterinary

723
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:14,400
nutritionists who usually end up
working for cable corporations

724
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:15,680
anyway.
So.

725
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,840
Yeah, we could.
We could definitely go down that

726
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,520
veterinary nutritionist rabbit
hole too.

727
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,160
But you know, I actually I would
like to push back just a little

728
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,960
bit because I totally agree with
you that what our veterinarians

729
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,440
are good at is emergency
medicine.

730
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,440
Like that is what they know well
and they know best.

731
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,920
And my dogs are not going to go
crazy.

732
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,800
Sorry.
Hang on.

733
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,440
No, it's fine.
Maybe I don't know, we'll see.

734
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,480
That is what they know best.
So yes, I, I agree.

735
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:50,360
Like we do need to kind of give
them the reins in that area, but

736
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,160
we still need to be aware of
what is going on.

737
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,480
And we still need to make sure
that that we are communicating

738
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,080
really, really well with our
veterinary staff in those

739
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,040
emergency situations.
Because those are the situations

740
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,240
where somebody is going to
inject your dog with a vaccine

741
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:12,000
or something because, oh, it's
not in the paperwork.

742
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,560
And that is the last time that
needs to be like your dog is

743
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,040
already in a trauma situation.
We don't need to be adding to

744
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,240
the burden.
And I have seen that happen so

745
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:22,800
many times.
People get home and they look at

746
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,040
their paperwork and they're
like, why did my dog get a

747
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,080
rabies vaccine while they were
in an emergency surgery?

748
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,640
Like crazy?
Stuff like that.

749
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,760
And I'm not saying that every
veterinarian is going to do

750
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,880
that, but I'm advocating for
communication transparency.

751
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,360
And you should be getting a
treatment plan with, you know,

752
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:46,880
your, I don't even know your
estimate, I guess is the best

753
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,240
way to say it, that says this is
what we're doing.

754
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,960
And you should be able to say
no, yes, no, yes.

755
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,520
I always worked with
veterinarians that allowed that.

756
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,960
My current veterinarian, it does
that.

757
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,400
But I do know people who have
had that experience where

758
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,160
they've, you know, gone to an
emergency vet or they've gone to

759
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,320
a new vet and they've come out
with this ridiculous bill and

760
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,840
they're like, I don't, we
transferred all of our records.

761
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,120
Like what happened here.
It's definitely something that

762
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,560
if you're not careful, if you're
not paying attention, if you

763
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,320
don't have the communication,
that can be a problem for sure.

764
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, they are I do think

765
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,360
best like amazing at emergency
like that.

766
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,640
That's when I definitely want my
veterinarian on board is when

767
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,440
there's an emergency.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

768
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,440
Tell me a little bit about this
is going to go in a totally

769
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,600
different direction now, but
tell me a little bit about what

770
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,680
you're getting into now because
you're doing some new stuff

771
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:49,040
which is super fascinating and I
am here to like learn all about

772
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,760
this from you.
Thank you.

773
00:44:51,240 --> 00:44:54,000
Yeah.
So one of the things, what was

774
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:59,160
my holistic pet health coaching
certification that kind of

775
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,880
opened the door for me to Start
learning about Chinese medicine,

776
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,280
which is fascinating to me.
And I had a really, I mean, I'm

777
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,400
just going to be out like I had
a really hard time with it at

778
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,720
1st.
And everything that I was doing,

779
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:17,840
even working with animals at
that time was not leading me

780
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,880
down that road.
Like every animal I was working

781
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,200
with was so sick that I didn't
even I didn't feel like I had

782
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,840
breathing room to take Chinese
medicine into account because

783
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,280
these dogs couldn't eat
anything.

784
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,880
Like my entire world all of a
sudden was flooded with dogs

785
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,160
with severe leaky gut.
I have an abnormally large

786
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:45,080
caseload of SIBO dogs, dogs that
have small intestinal bacteria

787
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,400
over like even my vet mentor in
this program is like this is so

788
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,280
rare.
I'm so shocked you have a dog

789
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,800
with SIBO to the point where now
like every other case I get is a

790
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,440
free end and I am trying to not
make these.

791
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,280
I'm like, Nope, this is not
Nope, this is not SIBO.

792
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,040
And I eventually get to the
point where I have to realize.

793
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,120
This is Siva.
Right, And so these are animals

794
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,560
that are just finding me and I'm
like at the point where I just

795
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,760
I'm I'm struggling or, you know,
these pet parents are struggling

796
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,200
to get these animals to eat
anything without flaring their

797
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:25,000
immune system.
Kims like, yes, I know so to me,

798
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,800
I was like the idea of bringing
in traditional veterinary

799
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,120
Chinese medicine was like, maybe
I'll be able to get there one

800
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,280
day, but I'm just trying to
figure out something these dogs

801
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,240
can eat today.
And the point where I'm at now

802
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:42,640
is that everything is energy.
And yes, I do have even with,

803
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,640
you know, with these dogs that
have SIBO, I do have a really

804
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,640
hard time initially integrating,
you know, herbs and different

805
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,800
because there's it's so hard to
get a pet parent who has a dog

806
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,480
that is this sensitive to try
anything new that just to get

807
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,200
them to try like a novel
protein.

808
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Just finding a novel protein by
the time they have come to me is

809
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,320
is difficult to the point where
I kind of now know where you can

810
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:10,840
get Beaver meat.
This is crazy, but everything is

811
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,800
energy and this is something we
have known for a very long time.

812
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,400
You know, it is Tesla and
Einstein and all of these like

813
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,080
people that we look on in
history as being the like

814
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:23,240
smartest people ever to walk
this earth.

815
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,360
Everything is energy.
We can't create it.

816
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,680
We can't destroy it.
It only transforms.

817
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,760
And so when I take take that
into account and I really look

818
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:38,360
at Chinese medicine, which I am
still learning, like honestly,

819
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,600
like this is very new to me.
And I'm not, I'm very upfront

820
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,000
about that.
But even veterinarians that I

821
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,720
have talked to that have been
studying Chinese medicine for 20

822
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,640
and 30 years are like, I'm still
learning.

823
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,560
Like this is a lifelong pursuit
type thing, which I think is

824
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,760
also true of so many things like
herbalism and homeopathy.

825
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,960
And, you know, there are things
that are a little bit more

826
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,000
finite that you can learn.
And like, yeah, maybe in 10

827
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,400
years we'll figure out something
new that we need to learn about

828
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,680
it.
But like, these topics are so

829
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,760
broad.
And I think they're so broad

830
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,000
because they are kind of the
fundamentals of life and things

831
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,000
that we can't possibly know.
I think not to get like too

832
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,960
existential with, with, with
your listeners.

833
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,920
But like, you know, we search
and we, we can't possibly, I

834
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,240
think our, the human brain just
can't possibly know some things,

835
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:32,080
which is why we, you know,
believe and a God or we, you

836
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,920
know, whatever we believe in the
universe, like all it like,

837
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:41,360
because it is so complex that
our brains can't handle it.

838
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,880
And I feel like Chinese
medicine, homeopathy and herbs

839
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:51,360
are all in that same realm of
like this is what the world is

840
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,640
made of and we can't comprehend
it, which is why it is like a

841
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,640
lifelong pursuit and something
we'll never fully understand.

842
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,080
But we try our best while we're
here.

843
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:05,200
And so the more and more I do
learn about Chinese medicine and

844
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:10,040
I do implement with my own
clients, I have gotten really,

845
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:14,160
really into bio resonance and
bio energetic testing.

846
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,120
So it's something that I have
used for a number like 4 years

847
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,760
now, but I kind of used it with
a grain of salt.

848
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,000
Like, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll
see if this is like, we'll use

849
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,520
it as a baseline.
And that's why I tell, tell my

850
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,320
clients, I'm like, this is just
giving us a starting off point.

851
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,400
We're still going to have to do
some testing, blah, blah, blah.

852
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:38,200
And I still believe that.
But I look at it so differently

853
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,680
now.
When I get, when I, when I have

854
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:45,040
an animal that does an energetic
test and I get the results back,

855
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,120
I look at it differently now.
I look at it through the lens of

856
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,680
Chinese medicine versus, you
know, when we look at a CDC or

857
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,000
when we look at an HDMA or what
we look at it even like an Omega

858
00:49:56,000 --> 00:50:00,600
or a vitamin D testing.
These are all physiologic data

859
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,320
points that we can say this is
wrong.

860
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,720
We need to do this to get it
back where it needs to be or we

861
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:10,280
can't if it's a kidney or
whatever, like so I don't think

862
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,200
I and I think that's where most
people get bioenergetic testing

863
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,160
wrong is that they're looking at
it as a physiological data point

864
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,560
and you cannot do that.
When I shift lifted my mindset

865
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,040
to this is energy and I have to
look at it through the lens of

866
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,240
energy.
And so for me, that's Chinese

867
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:30,160
medicine.
Everything changed and I'm like,

868
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,360
I get it now and I can apply it
so much better.

869
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:41,040
And so when I reached out to pet
Medela to interview them on the

870
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,560
podcast and Samantha, who was
just a beautiful, beautiful

871
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,160
human, was like, you know, I
think we might want to work with

872
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,080
you.
And I'm like, okay, cool.

873
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,680
So I went down and I this like
rabbit hole with her and I

874
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:59,080
talked to some people that she
was already working with that I

875
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,720
already knew these people.
And I was like, how has it been

876
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,560
working with Samantha?
What do you think of this

877
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,360
testing?
And I did a test and I compared

878
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,840
it to another company that I had
previously been using.

879
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,760
And the reality of energetic
testing is that these companies

880
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,720
are tech companies.
And I think that's also kind of

881
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,760
hard to put into perspective
because these are technology

882
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,440
companies.
These are not some of these

883
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,960
companies make supplements and
things like that.

884
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,400
And that's wonderful.
But it's the technology that

885
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,760
we're looking for that is
differentiating.

886
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,440
Like there, there are a lot of
energetic tests out there now.

887
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,440
And it's the technology that
you're that they're using that

888
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,360
is differentiating them.
And so I do think some are

889
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,000
better than others.
Of course, they're very wildly

890
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,960
different price points as well.
So we kind of have to look in

891
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,840
technology is also always
updating.

892
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,720
So we kind of have to stay on
top of the, we're like in in

893
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,120
this position right now where we
have to realize one that it is a

894
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,360
technology company and we have
to stay on top of that

895
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,480
technology.
And so I was just really, really

896
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:08,840
pleased with the work that they
had done in their testing and

897
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,800
the technology that they have
and the results that they are

898
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,240
providing.
And then when I then take my

899
00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:18,880
lens of Chinese medicine to
that, I'm just seeing some

900
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,720
really, really, really amazing
results in my clients when we

901
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,320
combine those two.
Also, just to not leave this

902
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,400
out, like I'm not completely woo
woo.

903
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,240
I do also like to use HDMA
testing and combine them and

904
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,800
look at the energy and the
physiological data point and

905
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,840
like see how we can make
adjustments on either side.

906
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,680
I do think that is important.
I don't want to leave that out,

907
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:46,360
but I don't do HTMA testing
that.

908
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,480
I have AI, have somebody else
that I know and I love who does

909
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:50,600
it.
And I think she does a really

910
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,760
amazing job and I want to leave
that to her.

911
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:58,120
And so with this test, I have
seen, again, applying Chinese

912
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,280
medicine principles to the
results is a game changer.

913
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,320
And yeah, I don't know what to
say.

914
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,880
You're muted.
I think anything that we can do

915
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,560
to give ourselves any kind of
edge, right, like looking at

916
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,520
both tests or adding in some
herbal modification like

917
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:19,840
whatever.
It doesn't matter if it's going

918
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,120
to help, if it's going to layer
the success, it doesn't matter,

919
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,880
right?
Like if, if we're giving

920
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,360
ourselves an edge, if we're
giving our dogs an edge, we are

921
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,040
making, you know, a step forward
in, in how we progress.

922
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,720
I'm, I'm a Reiki practitioner,
so it's not something that I

923
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,560
talk about a whole lot.
I have done an episode or two on

924
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,360
it, but everything is energy.
And, you know, I work, I

925
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,680
specialize in working with dogs
who are reactive dogs who have

926
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,560
big feelings, who, who most of
the time is stemming from some

927
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,560
kind of gut problem that people
don't know about.

928
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,800
And it's just funny how those
things kind of tend to come full

929
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,960
circle.
And and then I meet people like

930
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,000
you where it's like, oh, OK,
yes, we completely resonate with

931
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,440
each other.
And now, you know, I learned

932
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,520
something because of that, that.
So I just think that if, if

933
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:14,040
you're open to, again, the
multifaceted solution situation

934
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,000
that is out there, it's not
going to hurt anything.

935
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,440
All you're doing is finding out
what works for that dog.

936
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,400
It's going to be different for
every single dog because they're

937
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,160
unique individuals.
And it, if anything, all it does

938
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,800
is give you benefit, right?
Like there's nothing wrong with

939
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,840
giving your dog extra benefit.
So I just think it's really cool

940
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,120
that you have gotten so deep
into it and that you're

941
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,160
learning, I mean, something that
not a ton of people really know

942
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,880
about.
I mean, I think I've met maybe

943
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,160
one other person and I follow
one other person in addition to

944
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,320
that who do Chinese herbs on
Instagram.

945
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,560
And that's that's like, really
it because it is a topic I feel

946
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,000
like it's harder to educate on
because it is very complex.

947
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,840
Yeah.
But also it's in, again, one of

948
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,840
those places right back to the
beginning of the conversation

949
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,560
again, where unless something
happens, most people don't even

950
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,320
think about it being an option.
It's kind of like, oh, we've

951
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,880
gone through all this stuff and
now like you said, you have to

952
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,800
source Bieber, right?
Like novel protein.

953
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,640
OK.
What is something that this dog

954
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,320
hasn't had?
And most people have had the

955
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,920
crazy amounts of things.
I know somebody who ended up

956
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,640
using kangaroo as a novel
protein because that was the

957
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,520
first thing that they found that
that they hadn't been exposed

958
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,160
to.
So it's it really is interesting

959
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:37,080
to see how deeply you can go
just by adding a tiny little

960
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,880
thing in that's actually very
complex.

961
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,840
So I'm interested to continue
following your journey with this

962
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,440
and and continuing to learn
about it, because I also think

963
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,760
that it is fascinating and it's
just one of those things that

964
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,280
it's it again, not talked about
enough.

965
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,600
I don't think people know that
it's a solution, that it's

966
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,240
something that does help remedy
a lot of situations.

967
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:00,640
So I'll definitely, I think
we'll have to have you come back

968
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,720
and we'll have to really get
into the Chinese medicine part

969
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:05,280
of it and the bio resonance part
of it.

970
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,400
Once you really have everything
kind of developed and maybe we

971
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,520
can do like a little test or
something on one of my dogs and

972
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,000
and then talk about it.
I think that'd be super fun.

973
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,840
Yeah, that would be fun.
I am curious though, because

974
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,960
being a Reiki practitioner, I
know a handful of people who

975
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,840
are, I know actually know a lot
more animal communicators and I

976
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,320
know Reiki practitioners.
But one of the things that I do

977
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,920
kind of still struggle with a
little bit with some of my

978
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:31,760
clients.
And I'm wondering how you handle

979
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:37,120
this is I don't think people
understand how much their

980
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,840
emotions and their stress and
their worry and their anxiety is

981
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,680
affecting their animals.
And you have to feel that when

982
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,760
you're like moving energy
through these dogs, like, how do

983
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:52,240
you how do you handle that with
with, with the humans in their

984
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,760
lives?
Well, what's wild about it is,

985
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,880
is that like, I would say that
I, I'm definitely a multi

986
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,600
layered, multi faceted
practitioner as well, right?

987
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,280
Because you can come to me for
training, you can come to me for

988
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,720
nutrition, you can come to me
for enrichment, you can come to

989
00:57:07,720 --> 00:57:11,520
me for, you know, all these
things, But I often find that I

990
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,400
usually end up combining all of
them anyway.

991
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,720
Anybody who's going to be open
to letting their dog have Reiki

992
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,880
is usually pretty open to that
conversation of like, hey, I can

993
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,960
feel like your dog is stressed
like in this area specifically,

994
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,040
and that's probably caused by
this or this.

995
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,120
And then, you know, let's tie in
the nutrition piece, but also

996
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,400
like you're pretty stressed
about this too.

997
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,720
So now we've got like a whole 7
layer cake with sprinkles and

998
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,400
what can we do to like mitigate
on both sides?

999
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,960
So I don't really have much of a
problem talking to people if we

1000
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,560
get that far into it.
It's the people who are stuck in

1001
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,920
like the training or only the
nutrition or only the enrichment

1002
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,040
part, then I'm like, OK, you
know, we're doing enrichment.

1003
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,560
This is helping your dog.
Do you see how like the stress

1004
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,000
levels and like the dopamine and
all that stuff is, is helping

1005
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,000
kind of regulate your dog.
If you regulate your emotions,

1006
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,880
when you're helping your dog
regulate their emotions, you

1007
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,640
know you're going to be 10 times
more successful than you are.

1008
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,560
So it's it really is just
finding the right angle I think

1009
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,880
to come in at.
Yeah, see, I see.

1010
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,960
I don't, People don't come to me
for the energy stuff.

1011
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,200
So they are coming to me with
like my dog has kidney disease

1012
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,600
or my dog can't eat anything and
all these food sensitivities and

1013
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,120
Apoquel and blah blah blah.
And I'm like, by the way, you're

1014
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:36,960
so stressed you need to chill
the F out.

1015
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,200
Yeah, the Apoquel man, the bane
of my existence.

1016
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,360
It's like, yeah, Fitz has
allergies.

1017
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,840
He had again from the storage
mites.

1018
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,240
I didn't know that that was part
of it.

1019
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,000
But he's also allergic to cedar
trees and pine trees, which are

1020
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,360
very prevalent in the area that
I live in.

1021
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,720
So it's like trying to mitigate
all of that stuff.

1022
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:01,960
Now we do do the cyto point
injection, but it's because I,

1023
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,080
if I don't do it, he'll chew on
his feet and then he'll scratch

1024
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:08,280
his ears and then we get a ear
infections.

1025
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,320
And so it's like one way or the
other.

1026
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,120
But my entire existence has
literally been for the last two

1027
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,280
years keeping him off of Apoquel
and diet change was a huge part

1028
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,080
of that.
And I mean, he doesn't have the

1029
00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,640
same issues that he used to as
extremely, but you know, he's

1030
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,880
allergic to trees and I can't
control the.

1031
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,240
Yeah, yeah, that is tough.
Quercetin and Nettles could

1032
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,080
help.
I'm sorry you were not asked.

1033
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,720
No.
Yeah, this is where my brain

1034
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,760
goes.
Like quercetin and nettles

1035
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,160
because he's got, you know, we
need to control the histamine

1036
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,200
response, liver support to flush
out the histamines.

1037
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:45,680
Yeah.
So there, I mean, there are

1038
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,680
definitely hopefully some things
you could do because I, you

1039
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:51,280
know, cyto point.
Definitely works and the

1040
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,440
unfortunate part of cytopoint is
that usually before you start

1041
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,520
seeing like the long term side
effects, it just it stops

1042
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,520
working cuz the immune system
gets used to it and.

1043
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:07,120
Yeah, we used to only have to
get it like every six or eight

1044
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,480
months and now we have to get
every four weeks.

1045
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:14,560
So it it's it's time for us to
have a conversation about some

1046
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:17,360
other options because I'm
getting to the end of my rope

1047
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,280
with it, unfortunately.
Yeah, sorry.

1048
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,840
No, my dog is.
No, you're fine.

1049
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:24,560
It's their dinner time, so she's
starting to get a little antsy.

1050
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,680
Well, I have one more question
for you.

1051
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,960
It's like my, and you can cut
this part out of when you share

1052
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,760
it on your podcast if you want
to, but this is something that I

1053
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,560
call answering the ask.
So let me move it over to the

1054
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,280
screen so that I can read it
because I had, it's like a

1055
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,480
really long one for whatever
reason.

1056
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,440
OK, before we wrap up, I want to
pause for something that I call

1057
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,880
answering the ask.
This is a part, this is the part

1058
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,280
of dog parenting where things
stop being about fixing and

1059
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,800
start being about understanding
what's actually going on beneath

1060
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,880
the behavior, the gut problems,
all the kinds of things.

1061
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:06,880
Can you tell me an example of a
time you worked with a client

1062
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,600
that was something that you had
never seen and the dog was

1063
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,200
asking you for a different kind
of approach?

1064
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,640
And what happened when you
listened and changed your your

1065
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,000
treatment plan for that dog, I
think.

1066
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:25,040
One of the biggest things I had
to overcome at the very

1067
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:26,960
beginning?
Well, not the very beginning,

1068
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,760
but when I, after I got
certified for health coaching,

1069
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:37,120
pet health coaching, I had only
ever worked with raw feeding and

1070
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:42,760
before that and my vet mentor in
this program was very much is

1071
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,320
very much about cooked feeding.
And I was really, really

1072
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,960
struggling with that.
And so for a little while I was

1073
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,440
kind of bouncing back and forth
with my clients.

1074
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,400
My dog is whining.
I'm sorry, where I really,

1075
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,680
really want like the end result.
I would very much like if my

1076
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,080
clients would wind up on a raw
food diet and it was actually my

1077
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:10,880
very first like real client.
After graduating the

1078
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,000
certification program.
I tried to go the cooked food

1079
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,920
route because that is what my
training had taught me, that

1080
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:24,000
this dog had such severe gut
issues that I needed to

1081
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,480
alleviate as much as a burden as
possible with digestion and

1082
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,400
cooking was going to help and
blah blah blah.

1083
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:35,720
Well, come to find out, this dog
had what I believe was actually

1084
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,600
a true histamine intolerance.
We worked for a year with this

1085
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,400
dog and I got to the point where
I was like, I just really like

1086
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,720
this.
This is so super rare.

1087
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,320
I cannot believe my first case
is an actual histamine

1088
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,480
intolerance.
And we did go and switch to a

1089
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:56,760
raw food diet for this dog and
that made all the difference

1090
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,880
because every step of processing
adds histamines to a food.

1091
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:07,840
So I think what that taught me
was that it reminded me to look

1092
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,640
at every dog as an individual
and I have to sometimes speak up

1093
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:17,520
for the animal even when a
client either I have clients who

1094
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:20,760
want to feed raw and they're
like, no, I want to continue to

1095
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,640
feed raw.
And then I have clients who are

1096
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,760
just scared to death of raw.
And while I want to honor that

1097
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,480
for them, I think it's my job to
honor what the animal is

1098
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,680
needing.
So that I think, I hope that

1099
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,800
answers your question, question
as to like one of the biggest

1100
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:38,160
lessons I have learned is that I
am supposed to be that animals

1101
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,880
advocate regardless of my
preconceived notions and

1102
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,040
regardless of what the pet
parent wants or doesn't want.

1103
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,600
While I try to work with that,
obviously they're the ones

1104
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,840
paying the bill.
Just trying to be that animals

1105
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,960
advocate.
I think that's a great answer

1106
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:57,600
because you can't change the gut
situation, the health situation,

1107
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,760
unless the pet parent is
actually truly willing to try

1108
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,840
something different, different
because just switching to

1109
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another brand of kibble never
fixes the problem.

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And unfortunately that's kind of
the solution that's always

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01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,440
plastered on there.
So no, I think that's, that's

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wonderful that you advocate for
your clients, the dogs, even

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though you're still trying to
work with the pet parents and,

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and finding those happy mediums
is, is the most important thing.

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Because if you can find an
easier way, let's start with

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lightly cooked, then it's easier
to kind of for them to see, Oh,

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this is helping and then
progress them to what the dog

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actually needs.
So I love that you step them

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through that.
By the way, that dog made such a

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huge transformation and a year
later, a year after, because it

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01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:45,040
took us about a year to get
there.

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A year later, that dog saved his
family from a house fire.

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01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,360
Wow, Yeah.
Wow.

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01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,000
That's incredible.
What a cool story.

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,760
I know.
Such a cool story.

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01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,680
Oh, my gosh.
Well, will you tell everyone how

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01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,240
they can find you, connect with
you, all the things?

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01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:05,200
Yeah, I think the best place to
find me.

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01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:06,640
Well, it depends on where you
are.

1130
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,640
I like, I wanted to be like go
to my website, but honestly, I

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01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,320
think most people find me on
Instagram.

1132
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,360
I have two Instagram accounts.
The primary one is the pet

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01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,000
Parenting Reset because that's
my podcast.

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01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,280
You can of course, go to the pet
parentingreset.com or you can

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01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,560
just go to Wild Wellness Pet and
that will lead you everywhere.

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01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,920
So yeah, I try to be where you
are.

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01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,680
What about you?
Because I need that too.

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01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,080
Where can we find you?
You can find me on Instagram

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01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:40,240
either at MEM under Score Loves
Dogs, or you can find us at The

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01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,920
Dog Who Asked for More, which is
my podcast, and you can also

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01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,160
find us at The Dog Who Asked for
more.com.

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01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:51,880
Awesome, yay.
Before you go, if today's

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01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,840
episode got you thinking about
what's really going on beneath

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01:05:54,840 --> 01:05:57,760
the surface for your pet, don't
forget to check out Wild

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01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,440
Wellness pet.com.
You'll find the Wild Wellness

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01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:04,160
Bioenergetic test to help
uncover hidden stressors, plus a

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01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,400
curated apothecary of holistic
remedies to support true root

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01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,400
cause healing.
Visit wildwellnesspet.com to

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01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,000
start building a calmer, more
vibrant pet from the inside out.